Poll
Question:
Take your pick
Option 1: attention to detail and pissing excellence
votes: 23
Option 2: God given talent
votes: 3
Option 3: great coordinators with incompetent head coach
votes: 17
Option 4: shitty coordinators with competent but over paid head coach
votes: 1
Option 5: new special teams coach
votes: 7
If insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, THEN CALL ME CRAZY BROTHA.
Anyway as of now I plan to go, with the son. If anyone has a coupla extra or knows anyone who wants to sell, let me know. I looked online this morning thinking after the Mizzou loss yesterday I might find something on discount, but they are still cheapest $100/ticket when you throw in all the BS online fees. Looking to go low.
Bought a couple after a discount. Sec. 123. So perhaps this can be a game discussion thread. Or Mods can delete.
Technically the definition of crazy/insanity is the inability to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 17, 2024, 10:08 AMIf insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, THEN CALL ME CRAZY BROTHA.
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Is this the thread where we refuse to call them a rival because we won so many games in the 60's and they didn't?
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 17, 2024, 12:29 PMIs this the thread where we refuse to call them a rival because we won so many games in the 60's and they didn't?
I think we've progressed passed that, they don't even consider us a rival.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 17, 2024, 01:19 PMI think we've progressed passed that, they don't even consider us a rival.
I was going to say, we have to start beating them a few times before we can say they are a rival.
When the SEC granted LSU to TA&M as a gift for them joining the conference because of "rivalry" on Thanksgiving Friday, the last game of the season is a huge DGAF. Well, coupled with the fact that we're terrible and have nothing to play for by then.
Our admin just said "OK" and went back to the kids table with their chicken nuggets and let the grownups tell them what to do.
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 17, 2024, 05:33 PMWhen the SEC granted LSU to TA&M as a gift for them joining the conference because of "rivalry" on Thanksgiving Friday, the last game of the season is a huge DGAF. Well, coupled with the fact that we're terrible and have nothing to play for by then.
Our admin just said "OK" and went back to the kids table with their chicken nuggets and let the grownups tell them what to do.
Integrity went a Long way back then.
We can end this discussion quickly. We all know Sam will be celebrating bowl eligibility from the week before and will not have the team ready to play. Dorkowitz will treat this like the Super Bowl and beat us badly as he possibly can.
Are we officially looking past La Tech? ::)
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 17, 2024, 01:19 PMI think we've progressed passed that, they don't even consider us a rival.
We are like an old pair of slippers you slip into around the same time each year.
Quote from: animal on Nov 17, 2024, 08:00 PMAre we officially looking past La Tech? ::)
Well I started this as a ticket thread.
But maybe if we start the hate early something will change this year.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 17, 2024, 09:15 PMWell I started this as a ticket thread.
But maybe if we start the hate early something will change this year.
Well I'll be on my deer stand probably for that beating.
Have literally never won a game in Columbia. We've got to change that.
It's been set at 2:30p on SECN.
Let me be the first to say that Eli Drinkwitcz is a huge punk. Please don't be satisfied with just making a bowl. Do the SEC a favor and beat Missorah.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 17, 2024, 10:42 AMTechnically the definition of crazy/insanity is the inability to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
So our fanbase.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 24, 2024, 02:50 PMLet me be the first to say that Eli Drinkwitcz is a huge punk. Please don't be satisfied with just making a bowl. Do the SEC a favor and beat Missorah.
You are miles and miles away from being the first to say that.
In fact, you may be the last.
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 18, 2024, 11:44 AMHave literally never won a game in Columbia. We've got to change that.
Just expand your parameter to any Columbia.
We all know Drinkwitz is going to drag his dorky balls all over Sam's bloated man tits and make him like it. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. We can pretend differently but we know. It may be three touchdowns or more. I'll be shocked if it's less than two. If we somehow win...well, I don't even think it is possible. We've beaten one team with a pulse all year underwhelmed in our wins except Tennessee and Mississippi State.
Mizzou opens -4
Is their starting QB still out?
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 24, 2024, 03:54 PMIs their starting QB still out?
Nope. He has played the last two weeks.
That's a lot less than I expected.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 24, 2024, 03:57 PMNope. He has played the last two weeks.
Yeah we're fucked. Dude is a gamer. No way he loses his last game at home.
i've think i've seen this movie before - after a "great week of practice" we come out flat and get down big early, manage to rally back to cut it to a one score game before getting blown out in the end.
what's the over/under on special teams gaffs ?
Vegas knows Mizzou is over confident and due for a meh performance :stache:
But I'm more convinced we'll see some Dugger Nutz dragged across Pittman's face.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 24, 2024, 03:35 PMYou are miles and miles away from being the first to say that.
In fact, you may be the last.
Sorry, I meant this week.
If I didn't know the history, I'd think we would win. Our defense plays like they have the last 2 weeks they should keep us in it.
The most bizarre stat to me this year is forcing int's. We have 8 on the year with 4 coming against Auburn. To beat Mizz we have to create TOs.
We create lots of turnovers.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 24, 2024, 05:47 PMWe create lots of turnovers.
We are definitely a turnover machine.
Is Sam even going to have a practice before the game . I figure he'll take them to catfish hole one night to celebrate bowl eligibility. Then Chuck E. Cheese the next.
Sam has no incentive to win another game this season. 7-5 is the same as 6-7 in his mind. Unless he gets a pile of cash for winning.
I don't want to lose to Drinkshitz now that Sam has secured his position.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 24, 2024, 05:47 PMWe create lots of turnovers.
We matriculate the ball down the field!
Quote from: egregious on Nov 24, 2024, 03:45 PMJust expand your parameter to any Columbia.
That's not true. We beat SC at Columbia the week after we lost to The Citidel. I was there. It was glorious.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 24, 2024, 06:23 PMThat's not true. We beat SC at Columbia the week after we lost to The Citidel. I was there. It was glorious.
Also the great benching of Mustain happened at USC-E.
Heck, Hootie Dale won 3 out of 5 at Cackalacky.
Threatening to score. Sounds like he's more Duggar than we even thought.
https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1860484368075997663?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Missouri is meh.
I don't expect to beat them just because losing to them is what we do. But they aren't particularly good. If they had played our schedule I suspect their record would be similar to ours.
They take this rivalry a lot more seriously than we do. Duggar seems to really like to talk shit to the media, and they always have some dumbass backup making some dumbass comment it seems. I don't see them as a rival but I do think winning this weekend would make me view this season a lot differently than if we lose. 7-5 and .500 in conference play would be a good bounce back after 4-8 and 1-7.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 24, 2024, 06:23 PMThat's not true. We beat SC at Columbia the week after we lost to The Citidel. I was there. It was glorious.
That's what I was getting at, no need to feel sad about never winning at Columbia.
bump :leo:
Chicken Broccoli Rice Casserole
2 chicken breasts cooked and cut into pieces (Season with salt, pepper, paprika, sage)
1 head broccoli chopped into tiny bits
1.5 cups rice cooked and cooled
1 large can cream of mushroom soup
1 small bag frozen mixed vegetables (peas, carrots, corn)
Grated cheddar cheese as topping.
Mix together all ingredients except cheese. If it's dry add a little mayo. Place in baking dish. Top with cheese. Bake at 400 until cheese is bubbly and brown at edges. I like mine with a bit of Frank's Red Hot on the top.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2024, 09:12 AMChicken Broccoli Rice Casserole
2 chicken breasts cooked and cut into pieces (Season with salt, pepper, paprika, sage)
1 head broccoli chopped into tiny bits
1.5 cups rice cooked and cooled
1 large can cream of mushroom soup
1 small bag frozen mixed vegetables (peas, carrots, corn)
Grated cheddar cheese as topping.
Mix together all ingredients except cheese. If it's dry add a little mayo. Place in baking dish. Top with cheese. Bake at 400 until cheese is bubbly and brown at edges. I like mine with a bit of Frank's Red Hot on the top.
It's about as insightful as most topics will be in this thread today.
I do enjoy a good broccoli and chicken casserole.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 09:26 AMI do enjoy a good broccoli and chicken casserole.
With rice, gotta have the rice.
Think I'll just eat 4 cans of the REAL cranberry sauce and spend the 4th quarter shitting relentlessly.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 09:52 AMThink I'll just eat 4 cans of the REAL cranberry sauce and spend the 4th quarter shitting relentlessly.
The title of our defensive plan in the 4th quarter.
We'll make up for it by running out of bounds two yards short of a 4th and 3 conversion.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2024, 09:34 AMWith rice, gotta have the rice.
absolutely.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 09:59 AMWe'll make up for it by running out of bounds two yards short of a 4th and 3 conversion.
With a cut back lane my dead grandma would have seen.
This should make thing's interesting
https://x.com/NWAHutch/status/1862889337613885645?t=px4woi2jm4KL1cL5REILpw&s=19 (https://x.com/NWAHutch/status/1862889337613885645?t=px4woi2jm4KL1cL5REILpw&s=19)
Gonna need the long panties today fellers. I think I'll be in the deer stand watching something entertaining
Now that Aggy has the Texas game back, can the SEC give us LSU back for our rivalry game?
Well boys I just increased our chances of winning. Started to Columbia out of St. Louis and with the highway blocked and snow coming down the boy didn't want to continue. We'll watch from the house.
Go HOGS.
What's the over under on Green fumbles with this weather?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 11:21 AMWell boys I just increased our chances of winning. Started to Columbia out of St. Louis and with the highway blocked and snow coming down the boy didn't want to continue. We'll watch from the house.
Go HOGS.
Good move. This team is not worth being stuck in traffic in the snow to see.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 11:35 AMWhat's the over under on Green fumbles with this weather?
1.5
I've got him for 3 picks too. 4.5 o/u total turnovers.
But I did load up on Missouri money line. So we're probably winning.
You're welcome woopig.
Have some lost 40 juicy details IPA. First day in forever I don't have shit to do. Lfg
I was going to vote in the poll but "I didn't know what to do"
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 10:29 AMThis should make thing's interesting
https://x.com/NWAHutch/status/1862889337613885645?t=px4woi2jm4KL1cL5REILpw&s=19 (https://x.com/NWAHutch/status/1862889337613885645?t=px4woi2jm4KL1cL5REILpw&s=19)
How are they going to see the "M" made out of white rocks?
Quote from: red death on Nov 30, 2024, 12:12 PM1.5
I've got him for 3 picks too. 4.5 o/u total turnovers.
But I did load up on Missouri money line. So we're probably winning.
You're welcome woopig.
I'm more worried about him spinning backwards into sacks
I'm predicting a hog turnover on every possession. I also doubt Sam goes on the field citing his sore hip.
Gonna actually laugh if Drink rolls out in a hoveround.
We're fucked
https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862929242805166523?t=mGqRakgZaWRId3MBRvRGEQ&s=19 (https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862929242805166523?t=mGqRakgZaWRId3MBRvRGEQ&s=19)
Still time to get some hot cocoa and watch the first half of Polar Express before the kickoff
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 01:30 PMStill time to get some hot cocoa and watch the first half of Polar Express before the kickoff
Too cold for orange slices.
Sam's got some hot pockets and pizza rolls planned for today.
Nice physiques on some of our big uglies. Do we even lift bro?
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2024, 01:50 PMNice physiques on some of our big uglies. Do we even lift bro?
Low NIL gets you bitch tits.
Lifting is outdated. Toxic masculinity is in the past and Friendship, Understanding, Compassion, and Kindness are the future. It's all about the togetherness seminars these days.
So you're saying we're trendsetters?
We're building it the right way. We as fans just don't have all the information to see what's really happening.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 01:57 PMLifting is outdated. Toxic masculinity is in the past and Friendship, Understanding, Compassion, and Kindness are the future. It's all about the togetherness seminars these days.
Hopefully they are all in touch with their feelings so they can comfort each other on the plane ride home.
Here's the moment you've all been waiting for... flame away.
https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862948164233568698?t=dGqc8KmLlFQwgdqvZkscJw&s=19 (https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862948164233568698?t=dGqc8KmLlFQwgdqvZkscJw&s=19)
Lol what the fuck. Done it all season and can't make three more hours?
I think they are setting this up for his "retirement".
That is what I'm hoping for.
bad hip and ice.
Looks like a blizzard
Sam Pittman speaks and thinks in slow motion.
"We got all the motivation we need." He says, sounding as excited as a straight man going in for a colonoscopy.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 02:07 PMHere's the moment you've all been waiting for... flame away.
https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862948164233568698?t=dGqc8KmLlFQwgdqvZkscJw&s=19 (https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862948164233568698?t=dGqc8KmLlFQwgdqvZkscJw&s=19)
No difference.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 02:32 PMNo difference.
Just as easy saying kick/go for it/timeout from the pressbox I guess.
I usually hate wearing reds in this game on the road, but not sure I'd have worn whites in the snow.
So Petrino calls timeouts on offense, and T-Will calls timeouts on defense. Wat.
Just catch this punt...
I heart snow games.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 02:35 PMI usually hate wearing reds in this game on the road, but not sure I'd have worn whites in the snow.
You can't just arbitrarily wear the reds.
Teslaa with a great tackle.
Did Teslaa just take out Dubinion? Looked like they made contact on the spin
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 02:08 PMLol what the fuck. Done it all season and can't make three more hours?
Probably worried he might fall, which might be serious. I wondered about this 30 minutes ago.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 02:35 PMSo Petrino calls timeouts on offense, and T-Will calls timeouts on defense. Wat.
Just pretend Bobby is head coach when we're on offense.
Lucky to recover that. And Dubinion is "hurt" after fumbling it.
Green is trash.
I fucking hate Green. This mother fucker sucks so bad.
Sategna is trash too.
Is Russell still "hurt?"
Getting looks. Getting passes tipped or dropping them.
We aren't a very strong team.
And so it begins..
Had the rb open in the flat and didn't even look over there.
Is our kicker still hurt too?
2 tipped passes on consecutive plays with wide open receivers.
I literally have never seen that. Isn't Green tall?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 02:42 PMGetting looks. Getting passes tipped or dropping them.
Had 2 just flat dropped already.
They will score in 4 plays or less. wait for it
WeI'll, that was certainly a weak effort on the opening possession. Not a good sign.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 02:43 PM2 tipped passes on consecutive plays with wide open receivers.
I literally have never seen that. Isn't Green tall?
Part of that is Oline. They need to get their hands into the DL
If that's what our defense brought today let's just forfeit.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 01:57 PMLifting is outdated. Toxic masculinity is in the past and Friendship, Understanding, Compassion, and Kindness are the future. It's all about the togetherness seminars these days.
So they rolled out the F.U.C.K. stategery?
I wish cook would throw it to us.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 02:46 PMIf that's what our defense brought today let's just forfeit.
Landon Jackson appears to be taking the day off.
I am sick of the T-Mobile commercials with the two gay guys already.
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 02:48 PMI wish cook would throw it to us.
He wasn't throwing it to anybody the last 2 throws.
Will be a tough conditions game.
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 02:48 PMI wish cook would throw it to us.
He doesn't seem to be thrilled about the weather.
I'd think running Russell would be a weapon today.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 02:07 PMHere's the moment you've all been waiting for... flame away.
https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862948164233568698?t=dGqc8KmLlFQwgdqvZkscJw&s=19 (https://x.com/TreySchaap/status/1862948164233568698?t=dGqc8KmLlFQwgdqvZkscJw&s=19)
So who shakes Drinks hand after we win?
Jk
What the fuck is this poll shit?
Now they wanna review it??
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 02:48 PMI wish cook would throw it to us.
He can't throw it at all.
Now Drinkshitz is complaining to the refs. And so it begins. Whiny ass bitch.
Like the move to add a FB
We look like we're running on ice. Lots of tip toeing
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 02:53 PMLike the move to add a FB
He just laid into a safety. Seems like we should have done that earlier in the year.
So their DJ plays Metallica and ours plays half country, half shitty rap music. That might be the difference between the 2 programs, just sayin.
Pass interference never called, except when we are on defense
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 02:56 PMPass interference never called, except when we are on defense
Because it wasn't remotely interference.
Green is trash.
1
There's (team) fumble #2.
Thata boy Green
There's one fumble for Green lol.
Fucking Green
We've put the ball on the turf twice already.
Fucking idiot did not bother to ball control
THREE POINTS OF PRESSURE.
I don't think there was even one.
I've never seen a team as careless and sloppy with the football as we are.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 02:56 PMBecause it wasn't remotely interference.
We've been called for way less contact.
Well damn. Even from the booth Pittman coaches them to fumble
$2M body, $.02 head
Bobby has to be thinking he is too old to deal with this shit.
This might be a perfect Hudson Clark game. The lack of speed is completely negated.
Retarded fucking team.
This broadcast is awful. We don't get told there's a pre-snap flag until after the play is run.
Second one actually wasn't offsides they weren't in the neutral zone
We need more flappy hands in the secondary.
Defense with 3 penalties on 2 plays
That looks like offensive PI. The receiver ran directly to him and hugged him.
Do we still love TWill? Coach in waiting for someone?
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:03 PMDefense with 3 penalties on 2 plays
#Uncommon
This team is more gay than last years basketball team.
Gave them 7 with the TO
Rope grip loosening
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 03:04 PMGave them 7 with the TO
Don't forget the penalties.
That's ballgame.
Offense can't piss a drop in good weather conditions, let alone snow.
bullshit pi.
Welp. MO knows how to beat us. Run, run, run throw it deep and wait for us to step on our dicks
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 03:05 PMThat's ballgame.
Offense can't piss a drop in good weather conditions, let alone snow.
But BMFP.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:03 PMDefense with 3 penalties on 2 plays
That's actually hard to do, but if anyone can do it, it's us
Arkansas still plays like it's their first test every game. Mistakes galore.
Appears we don't really want to be out there.
So far we're playing like we don't want to be there. Why should we? We already got our bowl eligibility.
I hate this team. There are maybe two players i like. The rest are garbage.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:06 PMSo far we're playing like we don't want to be there. Why should we? We already got our bowl eligibility.
And the NIL check cleared. So who gives a shit?
I think that's 10 out of 11 games where Green has turned it over. Singleton can't get a taste. We get what we deserve.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 03:04 PMDo we still love TWill? Coach in waiting for someone?
We have improved over the last 2 years. We haven't had Braxton who will likely transfer. We have awful talent at DB.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 03:06 PMI hate this team. There are maybe two players i like. The rest are garbage.
You aren't getting a Christmas card from HY this year.
Quote from: razor5396 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:05 PMWelp. MO knows how to beat us. Run, run, run throw it deep and wait for us to step on our dicks
Not sure why we're chucking it when none of our receivers can catch it and both teams are averaging 4+ a carry.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 03:06 PMI hate this team. There are maybe two players i like. The rest are garbage.
Shut up and hand your money over to the NIL program.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 03:05 PMBut BMFP.
You're right. Awful play calling is the issue.
They are going to cut to Sam in the booth and he'll be asleep.
I guarantee it.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 03:07 PMI think that's 10 out of 11 games where Green has turned it over. Singleton can't get a taste. We get what we deserve.
If I'm Singleton, you can offer me the biggest bag possible to stay and I'm still transferring.
Green is an empty headed turnover machine who's singlehandedly lost us multiple games this year, and yet Singleton still can't get a shot.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 03:05 PMThat's ballgame.
Offense can't piss a drop in good weather conditions, let alone snow.
Did they say we are 8th in the country in total yardage? What in the actual fuck?
Negated by turnovers and red zone problems I guess.
Score? I am out of the viewing zone at the time.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 03:09 PMDid they say we are 8th in the country in total yardage? What in the actual fuck?
Negated by turnovers and red zone problems I guess.
Turnovers and red zone problems are the story of the year.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2024, 03:11 PMScore? I am out of the viewing zone at the time.
7-0, faggots. End of first quarter.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 03:09 PMDid they say we are 8th in the country in total yardage? What in the actual fuck?
Negated by turnovers and red zone problems I guess.
First 2 posessions and we drop a first down and then fumble. We are our own worst enemy.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2024, 03:11 PMScore? I am out of the viewing zone at the time.
7-0 end of 1st
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2024, 03:11 PMScore? I am out of the viewing zone at the time.
7-0 Mizz
Mizzou is dad.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 03:08 PMYou're right. Awful play calling is the issue.
Yeah, more wisdom from our Jim Cramer.
I'm pleasantly surprised with the amount of time our OL is giving and the open WRs. Bobby can't throw it for them.
I do wish he'd work with Green on not holding the ball away from his body.
So we are stuck with HY and Pittman another year and this team? Oh there's Sam in the box
That shot of Pittman reminded me of those old Soviet guys who used to die on Reagan every couple of months, just needs a Russian fur hat.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2024, 03:11 PMScore? I am out of the viewing zone at the time.
I'd say fuck it and go play with the penguins and polar bears :D
Quote from: Hognrock on Nov 30, 2024, 03:16 PMI'd say fuck it and go play with the penguins and polar bears :D
Headed to the lounge to drink. Hopefully it will numb the feelings about the game today.
I guess Dubinion is done for the day?
Did the programming fuck up for anybody else? Went black and then to an SEC Nation commercial.
What was the call??
Green bobbled the ball during that run too
When do we start yelling about the sec protecting the higher ranked team? That hold was bullshit.
This play calling and these pass completions are terrible coaching!
Green is basically a poor man's Matt Jones. He isn't as big as threat on the ground, and he's maybe a slightly better passing threat, but overall he's just an okay dual threat.
I miss the Mallett/Wilson offense.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2024, 03:17 PMHeaded to the lounge to drink. Hopefully it will numb the feelings about the game today.
Wise decision. I may be ahead of you, you need to catch up
Horse shit
Fuck these refs
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 03:21 PMWhen do we start yelling about the sec protecting the higher ranked team? That hold was bullshit.
I think even the SEC is trying to figure out how Missouri is still ranked.
And a dang holding negates a TD run. That was weak sauce.
Someone summon the devil and ask him to turn Bobby loose.
That was not a hold
Every play
That's a BS call.
WHY CANT THESE ANNOUNCERS SPOT THE FLAGS?
Fuck these shitbirds
The fix is in.
How the fuck is that not an ejection on 30?
I hate Mizzou.
Wow. Both on Mizzou. I'm shocked.
If there was ever a time for a terrifying return of Darth Petrion, this would be it.
Mizzou thugging it up
Bet this PF goes against Arkansas.
I hope Bobby doesnt tell Drinkwitz he has grandchildren
Wow. Sec throwing us a bone.
Drinkshitz is loving this.
We look like the better team
We had to score how many times to score?
What, no holding
Go for two!
Hard to believe Mizzou's players are picking a fight with Hasz. Doesn't seem like a likely candidate.
Quote from: RPL on Nov 30, 2024, 03:19 PMDid the programming fuck up for anybody else? Went black and then to an SEC Nation commercial.
It will never go back.
Let's go!!!
We should win this game.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 03:25 PMWe look like the better team
If and only if we don't turn it over any more.
Fuck these Methheads. We need an Isaiah Morris in pads to knock some heads. I hate these shitbirds
Peewee Herman dance. Thats a new one.
Good D
Cook looks very uncomfortable
Quote from: Hognrock on Nov 30, 2024, 03:28 PMFuck these Methheads. We need an Isaiah Morris in pads to knock some heads. I hate these shitbirds
He and Roosevelt Wallace would work well in a 4-3 defense.
Did Setenga really run a few yards after that catch?
Can our punt catcher do that?
Quote from: Zoso on Nov 30, 2024, 03:31 PMHim and Roosevelt Wallace would work well in a 4-3 defense.
IBM and Rosie would put some dudes on their asses.
Never seen JQJ dance in the backfield like this
A 23 yard punt
Bale needs to go. He's been a train wreck at times this season.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 03:37 PM18
Jefferson Pilot never had a broadcast this bad.
PSA....
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1862972421331906727?t=PynUfQjI_e5d-8kSg_ky5Q&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1862972421331906727?t=PynUfQjI_e5d-8kSg_ky5Q&s=19)
The line judge on the far side has shit on a couple of spots for us. They could have called a personal fouls when Green slid and I thought got hit.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 03:37 PMBale needs to go. He's been a train wreck at times this season.
Yep need a kicker and a punter.
I'm confident that if we needed a 20 yard punt, I could do it. Where do I sign up for my NIL?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 03:38 PMPSA....
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1862972421331906727?t=PynUfQjI_e5d-8kSg_ky5Q&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1862972421331906727?t=PynUfQjI_e5d-8kSg_ky5Q&s=19)
lol, a guy who can't develop a qb.
cornrows is desperate.
sounds like they may have "Let" Gus get away
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2024, 03:40 PMlol, a guy who can't develop a qb.
cornrows is desperate.
4-8 coach joins a 2-10 coach.
What a braintrust.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 03:41 PM4-8 coach joins a 2-10 coach.
What a braintrust.
Morris will coach special teams.
Punch thrown
Our guy threw the first punch wtf
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 30, 2024, 03:42 PMOur guy threw the first punch wtf
no, he pushed a guy. big difference.
Like I said, they do too much strength and conditioning work when they should be nurturing their players' emotional growth as well... :P
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 30, 2024, 03:39 PMYep need a kicker and a punter.
We've got the #1 kicker coming in next year.
3rd and 10 and we give 15 yard cushions
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:44 PMLike I said, they do too much strength and conditioning work when they should be nurturing their players' emotional growth as well... :P
More pilates
Bobby looks like a lesbian out Christmas shopping.
I couldn't care less about Missouri but Drink is one of the most unlikable coaches in the SEC, and this conference has Brian Kelly in it.
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 03:46 PMBobby looks like a lesbian out Christmas shopping.
I hope QBs are on sale.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 03:38 PMPSA....
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1862972421331906727?t=PynUfQjI_e5d-8kSg_ky5Q&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1862972421331906727?t=PynUfQjI_e5d-8kSg_ky5Q&s=19)
Just setting up for his return to NWA on Coach Norvell's staff.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:46 PMI couldn't care less about Missouri but Drink is one of the most unlikable coaches in the SEC, and this conference has Brian Kelly in it.
He has a very punchable face.
Green taking a sack while 3 of his blockers watch
Quote from: RPL on Nov 30, 2024, 03:44 PMWe've got the #1 kicker coming in next year.
Switched to Gator.
Need an O-Line instead of A Zero-Line
Jackson forgot how to run.
There was no one out there and Jackson... just stopped.
Quote from: RPL on Nov 30, 2024, 03:44 PMWe've got the #1 kicker coming in next year.
I'll believe it when I see it. Remember, we had another "#1" kicker who committed and then flipped a few weeks ago.
green should have kept it. petrino was giving him an earful.
Quote from: phillesh on Nov 30, 2024, 03:50 PMSwitched to Gator.
We had the #1, he switched to Florida a couple weeks ago, then we got another one this week who is supposedly #1.
I don't care enough to look up who is actually #1.
we'll give up the score before half.
Quote from: phillesh on Nov 30, 2024, 03:50 PMSwitched to Gator.
No. That one dropped to #6. After he went to Florida, the kicker committed to Iowa (the new #1) committed to Arkansas.Starzyk flips from Iowa to Arkansas (https://twitter.com/StarzykScott/status/1861492776442966110)
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2024, 03:53 PMwe'll give up the score before half.
Of course! It's the Arkansas way. Don't want to be an bad guest.
He's literally not moving. Face down in the snow. Fuck.
Neck injury?
I guess we don't have a replay of the injury?
This is bad. And will cause more players to quit before the bowl.
Who's down?
With him kicking his legs and then flipping him, I'm not sure what this could be.
Quote from: snoots on Nov 30, 2024, 03:56 PMI guess we don't have a replay of the injury?
not trying to be smartass, but does it matter?
it's clearly concerning so i doubt they would show it.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 30, 2024, 03:46 PMI couldn't care less about Missouri but Drink is one of the most unlikable coaches in the SEC, and this conference has Brian Kelly in it.
You just know he voted for Kamala and has a Waltz bobblehead on his desk.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 30, 2024, 03:58 PMThis is bad. And will cause more players to quit before the bowl.
Not just ours but throughout cfb. :thumbdown:
Getting that big boy on the stretcher is not an easy task
Not going to show a replay if its too graphic
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 30, 2024, 04:00 PMYou just know he voted for Kamala and has a Waltz bobblehead on his desk.
I bet he sucked off a horse when he heard that Walz was into that
I went back to watch. He was initially crouched on his knees, but then the camera panned away.
Well fuck.
Shit. He fucked up his neck
Collarbone?
Hopefully taking precautions. Every hit feels 100 times worse in that cold.
Poor kid. He's been a damn good player this year with a bright future ahead.
The play didn't look much different from any other play. Weird.
This is the kind of thing that saps you of adrenaline and emotion and will to play in a cold snowy game.
Well, I have no desire to finish this game. This sucks.
Looks like he may have pinched his neck on the hit.
Switching gurneys? WTF
not seeing much head support on that gurney WTF?
facemask off, definitely something with his neck.
Looks like Drinkwitz might just try to get to the locker room
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 04:04 PMThe play didn't look much different from any other play. Weird.
This is the kind of thing that saps you of adrenaline and emotion and will to play in a cold snowy game.
We need angry BMFP to hand out hot cider in the locker room at halftime.
"Coach, this tastes like Fireball."
"You boys know what a slapdick is?"
WHY would we not call timeout to force them into a decision?
In this weather, there could be a bad snap on a punt.
Should have called a timeout there.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 04:07 PMWe need angry BMFP to hand out hot cider in the locker room at halftime.
"Coach, this tastes like Fireball."
"You boys know what a slapdick is?"
A couple AYFSM wouldn't hurt.
That's ridiculous. Unforgivable.
You have to call TO to force them to punt in the snow.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 30, 2024, 04:08 PMWHY would we not call timeout to force them into a decision?
In this weather, there could be a bad snap on a punt.
I imagine what just happened played 100% into both coaches decisions to get to the locker room.
What an asshole. We should have called the timeout.
why even bother, lol.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 04:09 PMI imagine what just happened played 100% into both coaches decisions to get to the locker room.
Agree
Quote from: razor5396 on Nov 30, 2024, 04:01 PMNot going to show a replay if its too graphic
They did show the replay and it didn't look dramatic at all to me.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 04:09 PMI imagine what just happened played 100% into both coaches decisions to get to the locker room.
Maybe.
But there was no packing it in on second and third down when play resumed.
Didn't look like a bad hit.
Hope the young man is ok.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 04:09 PMThat's ridiculous. Unforgivable.
You have to call TO to force them to punt in the snow.
Better odds of our punt catcher fumbling an ice cold ball than anything else. I'd want to get into the lockers fast. All the players are ice cold and that last minute was dangerous.
Gino Bell said on the radio that he's moving his arms and legs.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 30, 2024, 04:15 PMBetter odds of our punt catcher fumbling an ice cold ball than anything else. I'd want to get into the lockers fast. All the players are ice cold and that last minute was dangerous.
All of those players need to go out a little early from half time and get good and warmed up.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 30, 2024, 04:19 PMGino Bell said on the radio that he's moving his arms and legs.
that's great news.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 30, 2024, 04:19 PMGino Bell said on the radio that he's moving his arms and legs.
:thumb_up:
Okay. Now that he's going to be okay (radio again said he has feeling in extremities)let's come out and win this game.
I hate Missouri.
What a hillbilly contraption they're using in that stadium to take care of injuries. Cant get a fucking ambulance on the field? Those goobers didn't even know how to operate the fucking gurney.
Sam didn't even come down on the field to see him.
Someone take Metcalf out back and shoot him after this game
We have not do enough to be taunting
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 04:32 PMSomeone take Metcalf out back and shoot him after this game
This. Break his wrists while at it.
The announcers clearly cannot see flags come out on this field. They're always a half minute late.
Exactly. Why are we talking shit?
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 04:27 PMOkay. Now that he's going to be okay (radio again said he has feeling in extremities)let's come out and win this game.
We don't know if he's ok or not. Having feeling is not indicative of the many other issues he might have.
Plenty of time for Sam to really fuck this up
Hell we don't intercept the ball. Hands should be optional.
"Help us Ja'quinden. You're our only Jackson."
He's running good.
I really wish we had Russell in the bag for the 4th quarter.
Great run!
That was a beautiful drive.
One pass, and a whole lot of downhill running.
Beautiful.
Gotta love the announcers being surprised by the touchdown, like they didn't realize we were close to the end zone.
BMFP with another great series called.
HTL wept
That was...not bad.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 04:37 PMI really wish we had Russell in the bag for the 4th quarter.
Great run!
Russell is made for today's game.
Quote from: RPL on Nov 30, 2024, 04:39 PMRussell is made for today's game.
Much like the Brandon Holmes games against LSU.
Might have been our toughest drive of the year. We took some of their manhood there.
Set up for a 17-14 loss.
Fuck!
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 04:41 PMFuck!
Sling is a bit behind. I just knew Missouri took that kickoff to the house after seeing your post.
#1 didn't move till the receiver caught the ball.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 04:44 PM#1 didn't move till the receiver caught the ball.
Busy thinking of his trash talk lines
4th and 1. Cook will probably keep it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 04:44 PM#1 didn't move till the receiver caught the ball.
Amazing our corners the last few weeks have been him and Clark. Where is Bridges? Literally anyone else.
I don't think I would punt again if I were either team.
We weren't even ready.
My god we are due to force a TO. Can I get a little help here....
This is your classic Mizzou playing like crap but still better than Ark type of game.
Mizzou is running the offense they should have been running the whole game now.
Our defense might as well be doing naked yoga in front of them. Just begging for it.
Whatever happens, we need a long drive on offense to give the D a chance to rest
Small W
that felt kinda like a win.
We have a lead in Columbia late in the third quarter. What could go wrong?
Can someone make sure Sam's headset is still plugged into that damn jukebox?
One more touchdown by us might win it. But got to have that, maybe 10 more points.
I wonder if we have a play in the bag for former QB JQJ's arm?
I may not survive the repetitive commercials.
I thought he was gonna break it.
Another fumble. This time JQJ.
I is dumb.
I hate this team.
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Jeebus
There it is
Stupid motherfuckers
lol what a bitch boy football team. Fuck every one of these backs.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 04:59 PMAnother fumble. This time Rodney Hill.
Nope. Jackson.
He may be down
Maybe that's the issue with Kutas's blocking. He clearly can't see.
Rodney Hill?
When Jackson has been running like an 800 lb gorilla and hasn't had much work?
Explain this to me.
Edit: Jackson. The announcers called Rodney Hill.
Looks down
Can someone explain to me why Russell hasn't been getting carries?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 04:59 PMAnother fumble. This time Rodney Hill.
Jackson, not that it matters
God dam.
🙄 garbage
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 05:00 PMRodney Hill?
When Jackson has been running like an 800 lb gorilla and hasn't had much work?
Explain this to me.
Don't believe the dumbass who said Hill.
This is your fault for jinxing it with the score prediction.
Scratch that....
He's down, but we won't get it
How about we finally get a review
we were better without Kutas
Did not appreciate Jackson laughing when his fumble was confirmed
Twenty five fucking fumbles on the season.
It's a miracle we're even going to a bowl game with how stupid we are.
This is where we give up as usual.
Stepping on our own dicks again.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 05:03 PMStepping on our own dicks again.
The Arkansas Way.
We don't have a reliable running back. This team is just soft physically and mentally. One Full Metal Friday workout might make half of them quit football altogether.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:02 PMTwenty five fucking fumbles on the season.
It's a miracle we're even going to a bowl game with how stupid we are.
And have forced a fraction of that
And now they're just running through us. Another come from behind victory for these morons.
Mizzou can't pass, why are we playing a 3 man DL?
The turnovers are killing us.
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 05:02 PMThis is where we give up as usual.
Holy shit, that was the most quit I've seen on a play this year.
And called back by a merciful hold.
Run D just going to lay down and have a bleed
We are as soft as Sam's titties.
Defense has left the chat
Now we're trying to tackle the ball and the back is getting extra yards.
I've seen better tackling in a drive through car wash. Terrible.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:02 PMTwenty five fucking fumbles on the season.
It's a miracle we're even going to a bowl game with how stupid we are.
We lead the country in something.
This team should get an endorsement from Butterfingers.
Secondary looked like a Benny Hill sketch on the TD run called back.
Mentally soft team and that starts at the top. Sam is a soft-ass bitch.
Mizzou CAN pass when it's that open.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:01 PMCan someone explain to me why Russell hasn't been getting carries?
Too bad no media will ask this and instead will ask Sam what he thought about the snow.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:03 PMWe don't have a reliable running back. This team is just soft physically and mentally. One Full Metal Friday workout might make half of them quit football altogether.
When you think about it, it's a GD miracle we're going to a bowl.
- Lead the nation in fumbles.
- Commit a shitload of penalties per game.
- A QB who is a turnover machine.
- No reliable RB or backup
Shit for effort.
Let's win for Landon balloon has burst.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 30, 2024, 05:06 PMMizzou CAN pass when it's that open.
That TE play has been open a couple of times.
We clearly think he's a guard or something. No one goes with him.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 05:06 PMToo bad no media will ask this and instead will ask Sam what he thought about the snow.
"Sam I know the team lost but that snow was cold so what did you think about sitting in the coaches box?"
Headline: "View From Top Gives Hard-Nosed Coach New Perspective On Game"
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:01 PMCan someone explain to me why Russell hasn't been getting carries?
Sam probably punishing him for asking that very question on Twitter.
Because our head coach looks like an obese truck driver but he's actually an 8th grade girl.
Wudn't no 41-0 at the end of the 3rd quarter this year, Chuck!
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:07 PM"Sam I know the team lost but that snow was cold so what did you think about sitting in the coaches box?"
"You ever participated in a snow game? Yellow snow is my favorite"
- Bob Holt, probably
Missouri Offense has come alive. We're done, I'm afraid.
Turnovers again.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:06 PMWhen you think about it, it's a GD miracle we're going to a bowl.
- Lead the nation in fumbles.
- Commit a shitload of penalties per game.
- A QB who is a turnover machine.
- No reliable RB or backup
But we don't have a coaching or culture problem.
we will end up in the Frisco bowl, we don't deserve Birmingham or Liberty
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2024, 05:09 PMwe will end up in the Frisco bowl, we don't deserve Birmingham or Liberty
6 wins doesn't deserve any bowl.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 30, 2024, 05:09 PMBut we don't have a coaching or culture problem.
According to Sam every week at halftime we just need the offense to execute and run the ball better.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2024, 05:10 PM6 wins doesn't deserve any bowl.
Not with a loss to Oklahoma State.
D just laying down for a bleed
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:11 PMD just laying down for a bleed
Hard to fault them too much. They were on the field for an 8 min drive then we fumble immediately.
They're kicking our ass on the line of scrimmage
Lol no replay of the penalty.
Our talent on defense is Sun Belt level. It will never get any better.
and they OWN Arkansas.
Man, fuck you.
now the announcer clowning us
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:14 PMand they OWN Arkansas.
Man, fuck you.
"they own Arkansas"
Get in line, pal
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 05:13 PMOur talent on defense is Sun Belt level. It will never get any better.
The coaching, scheming, and game planning will get better if we just donate more to NIL.
They telegraph where the run is going with a shift and we don't move or adjust. wtf?
Are the vcrs broken in the smith center? Can they not connect to YouTube ?
Sad
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:14 PMThe coaching, scheming, and game planning will get better if we just donate more to NIL.
Anyone donating to this shitshow is just burning money.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:14 PMThe coaching, scheming, and game planning will get better if we just donate more to NIL.
Hunter will remind us it is just "football issues" shortly when he is done tweeting good luck to teams.
Memphis has left the building.
Birmingham here we come!
F-bomb from Bobby lol
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:14 PMThe coaching, scheming, and game planning will get better if we just donate more to NIL.
There's no amount of coaching or scheming that would help with this talent on D.
Perfect example why they need to fix/enforce the helping rule.
That play was long over.
Taylor Zarzour is the Sam Pittman of play by play announcers.
Actually he is worse.
Goddam offense. Let's go
Jackson looking slow AF
Jackson hurt again lol
Fuck Taylor Zarzar
I don't get why Russel isn't playing.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:20 PMI don't get why Russel isn't playing.
Apparently neither does he
Rocket Sanders doesn't have a fumble this year. Would have been nice if he had stuck around.
Fuck Green
Green just straight up missed that throw
Green.
Why would you throw on 3rd and 3 there with a retarded QB?
Green is garbage
How do you miss that open wheel route?
Who is the hyped up meathead in the golf shirt on the sideline? He has more muscle than any of our linemen.
Green is so ass
Probably game.
Jesus Green. I can make that throw and I'm a potato head.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Nov 30, 2024, 05:21 PMHow do you miss that open wheel route?
Green has the field vision of Ray Charles
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:21 PMRocket Sanders doesn't have a fumble this year. Would have been nice if he had stuck around.
He lost a fumble today too. He's with us in spirit.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:21 PMRocket Sanders doesn't have a fumble this year. Would have been nice if he had stuck around.
So he could have a few fumbles?
Quote from: snoots on Nov 30, 2024, 05:22 PMProbably game.
Feels like an 8 minute TD drive coming unless we get lucky with a turnover.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2024, 05:22 PMGreen is so ass
I don't care what people say, one more year won't make a damn bit of difference.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:21 PMRocket Sanders doesn't have a fumble this year. Would have been nice if he had stuck around.
I can't blame him for leaving this wanna be SEC program.
wide fucking open
If only we just gave more NIL money, Taylon wouldn't throw it a yard behind our wide open receiver.
:stache:
Green would have tossed that wheel route pass into the bleachers. His accuracy is more garbage than usual today.
That was terrible play calling after running it at will.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:22 PMHe lost a fumble today too. He's with us in spirit.
Interdasting.
I just looked at ESPN and they don't show it. Screen door and all.
He ain't goin anywhere. Nobody else wants him f'ing up their life too.
That was the kind of bleed a good warrior needs
Ballgame
Or a three play drive so they will get a chance to score again.
I just hate this team
if he's our starter next year, they'll be playing in an empty stadium
Well, so far there is no difference between Pittman on the sideline or on the box other than no shots of him looking bewildered and confused.
Not only do I hate this team, I hate college football
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2024, 05:25 PMif he's Pittman's our starter coach next year, they'll be playing in an empty stadium
Fixt
Defense is taking the rest of this game off...saving up for that Texas Bowl swag.
Clark. :suicide:
"SEC... every game is a spectacle."
They proceed to show nothing from RRS.
Hudson Clark is a fucking bum.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 05:26 PMDefense is taking the rest of this game off...saving up for that Texas Bowl swag.
we won't even sniff the Texas bowl
I'm turning this off. Don't care if win somehow.
We are so fucking soft. I guess players with grit are out of our price range
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:27 PMHudson Clark is a fucking bum.
Some say you're gonna miss that guy's tackles 25+ yards down the field because he was in the right place 5 seconds too late
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 05:27 PMWe are so fucking soft. I guess players with grit are out of our price range
Hey, they are winners at life! Their head coach and the S&C guy's wife told them so.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:27 PM"SEC... every game is a spectacle."
They proceed to show nothing from RRS.
Not THAT kind of spectacle, anyway. We're more like the island of misfit toys kind of spectacle.
Nothing like Christmas in Shreveport
Arkansas Edge was a fitting branding decision. Being a Razorback fan takes us all to the edge of throwing ourselves off the nearest overpass.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 05:29 PMNothing like Christmas in Shreveport
There's a country song there somewhere.
We have a bigger talent issue than coaching issue. Sure we can get a better HC but you better get better talent.
Otherwise it won't matter.
Indiana, SMU and Vandy, dormats of college football for years, would all boat-race us this year.
A field goal just means I have to keep watching
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 05:29 PMArkansas Edge was a fitting branding decision. Being a Razorback fan takes us all to the edge of throwing ourselves off the nearest overpass.
Jonesboro overpasses aren't tall enough. I just keep waking up later with a headache. Doc says there may be long-term damaging effects but I just tell him Woo Pig mufucka I'm sending the school more money anyway 'cause I can't remember why I was mad.
So proud of the two game improvement this season. #OneRazorback
When was the last time we covered vs methouri? Baby steps
Kick return guy always runs towards the pile of defenders
And somehow we managed to get a hold out of that
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 05:30 PMA field goal just means I have to keep watching
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Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 05:29 PMHey, they are winners at life! Their head coach and the S&C guy's wife told them so.
We should stop shopping on the keeids aisle and scoot over to the men's aisle.
The line was 6, right?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:21 PMRocket Sanders doesn't have a fumble this year. Would have been nice if he had stuck around.
I'm glad he got out and resurrected his career. Maybe he'll get drafted now. He'd be looking like shit in this offense.
Russell is going to portal out. Sam will again answer with a "I don't know@. Again Sam has zero clue how to manage a team where players can leave at will. He stilll thinks they are basically a hostage for five years.
:chad
Armstrong is so good. He deserves better.
That was a great catch by Armstrong. Pming the ball in this weather.
"Fighting thru the coverage". Another way of saying PI
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 30, 2024, 05:34 PMI'm glad he got out and resurrected his career. Maybe he'll get drafted now. He'd be looking like shit in this offense.
Russell is going to portal out. Sam will again answer with a "I don't know@. Again Sam has zero clue how to manage a team where players can leave at will. He stilll thinks they are basically a hostage for five years.
:chad
I've actually heard the same about him portaling out. May be why we're not seeing him.
Dang, Armstrong dropping one is bad
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 30, 2024, 05:37 PMI've actually heard the same about him portaling out. May be why we're not seeing him.
He got paid in high school. He wants to get paid now.
Green is so tall but he passes from shoulder height like a woman who's never thrown a ball
Is this situation not perfect for Russell? wtf?
When was the last time Green made a great play on third down that wasn't a freak run
Edit...I said THIRD down
Balls
fuck you Green
Armstrong is a badass.
Armstrong is probably top 15 all time favorite at this point.
Armstrong is clutch
Armstrong is our best player.
If we're going to score a touchdown we need to go ahead and get it done
Edit: So anyway...
This has all the makings of a 21-23 heartbreaker... probably with us missing the game winning FG
Too much time.
He is begging for another fumble with how he is holding that ball when he runs.
Shit. We scored too fast.
We needed that with 0:19 not 4:19.
Oh well.
Welp. Ok defense. It's on you.
That almost looked like a let us score.
they gonna kick a last sec FG right up our ass
Kudos to those fans who made it to the stadium and stayed through this shitshow.
Quote from: Papa Pigeritus on Nov 30, 2024, 05:41 PMShit. We scored too fast.
Be happy we scored at all.
Defense will give them the game though.
Can we just have Bobby put on 400 pounds and disguise himself as Pittits next year?
Let us score
Let's get them backup defensive linemen in there!
We're so thin on DL might as well let Canaan Sandy take this series at the 3 technique.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 05:39 PMHe got paid in high school. He wants to get paid now.
I've seen you say this a couple of times. How do you know this? You know people here in benton?
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 05:43 PMLet us score
I would part the Red Sea right now and try to win this game 28-27. More likely than our D coming up with a clutch 4th quarter stop.
INT incoming
What is it with all the deflected balls today? How does snow produce that? Clearly it does.
Two plays in a row with some abysmal coverage
Why not heat him up on 3rd and 8?
There's that TE play again. Clearly we have no idea what the fuck is happening on that route.
We're going to lose on a fucking field goal yet again
Not sure about that timeout.
Might want to change up the defense. Your 7 man drops are giving up huge yardage.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 05:46 PMWhy not heat him up on 3rd and 8?
That would be mean.
Pittman special coming up here.
This pass D sucks
Giving them so much cushion. Does the defense know a FG wins it for the other team?
It would appear that the coaches know we will get the ball back and be down. Need to preserve the clock.
Guess asking the D to stop them is too much to ask.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:47 PMMight want to change up the defense. Your 7 man drops are giving up huge yardage.
3rd and long and we rush 3 and give him all day to throw.
It's absolutely maddening.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 05:48 PMThis pass D sucks
We are dropping 7. Against three, four receivers. They are still carving us up.
We will need a turn over to win this.
Metcalf has sure disappeared lately
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 30, 2024, 05:34 PMI'm glad he got out and resurrected his career. Maybe he'll get drafted now. He'd be looking like shit in this offense.
Russell is going to portal out. Sam will again answer with a "I don't know@. Again Sam has zero clue how to manage a team where players can leave at will. He stilll thinks they are basically a hostage for five years.
:chad
He got more talented when he went to South Carolina.
Why in the hell did we take that timeout on defense?
So explain that to me. Why not take a timeout and then get the two minute warning. It would be third down at the 2 minute warning vs now it is second down. Clearly we used the second timeout to preserve the clock.
Keeping them thinking fg is probably a good thing if we can get the ball back with time but somebody keeps burning time outs
we can't have nice things
No one grabs our own ankles like we do
Had to have Let him score.
Sam calling timeouts just to let us know he's 5ere.
Did we let him score or was that just bad defense?
A Green pick or fumble incoming.
Telegraphed Philly Special and we can't see it
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 30, 2024, 05:54 PMHad to have Let him score.
We are WAY better at that than Missouri.
Damn. This defensive scheme was solid today. Fuck this staff.
Fuck this staff
Nah. We're just stupid
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:52 PMSo explain that to me. Why not take a timeout and then get the two minute warning. It would be third down at the 2 minute warning vs now it is second down. Clearly we used the second timeout to preserve the clock.
Now we have 1:53 for our touchdown.
I would much rather have that, rather than have them continue to pick us apart for a game ending field goal.
Well, the red sea parted and Cook took advantage of it.
And now we leave Burden wide open in the end zone.
Fuck.
I mean you couldn't even tell we gave that up intentionally though very nice touch
I wish we could be good enough to make that last fucker eat that sign.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 05:55 PMNow we have 1:53 for our touchdown.
I would much rather have that, rather than have them continue to pick us apart for a game ending field goal.
Agreed.
Told my family while watching the game that that was the best bad outcome we could have hoped for.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 05:54 PMSam calling timeouts just to let us know he's 5ere.
Did we let him score or was that just bad defense?
Yes.
Lol they just decide we don't need to see the end? YoutubeTV switched to highlights of other games for a second.
When we score here, we better go for Two. We won't win in overtime.
WTF just happened? I'm watching some band.
That was weird.
I think this is my least favorite team ever. They are going to do whatever it takes to lose and let you down every single time.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2024, 05:57 PMWTF just happened? I'm watching some band.
Yeah that was weird. We switched to the Arizona State band for about 30 seconds.
Well, he didn't fumble!
And a goat shit call to pile on.
6-6 on the year. Could have been so much more.
Here comes a sack.
Well I'll be dipped. Nice pitch and catch.
Armstrong wide open in the middle of the field.
Just ensuring it will be as painful as possible.
Why not clock it? Wasted ten seconds
That WOULD have been it.
Alas
Green is not the answer.
God I thought he caught that.
Cant wait to watch this shit show again next year.
Horrible clock management
One thing Green has done a better job of tonight is stepping up in the pocket-ish thing the OL is providing. And he put that next to last pass on Sategna's hands.
Final play should have been quicker just to make one shorter attempt to the end zone.
Fucking same movie every good damn year.
Quote from: razor5396 on Nov 30, 2024, 06:03 PMCant wait to watch this shit show again next year.
Run it back with Larry!
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 06:03 PMHorrible clock management
no shit. why in the hell keep a timeout in that situation.
Sategna is only good for fair catches.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 06:02 PMWhy not clock it? Wasted ten seconds
I thought that on the first down. Just clock it because there's not enough time to need all four downs.
Another heartbreaker.
Petrino has to own this one. Green was not a good choice for the portal.
I hate our team but I hate Missouri even more.
Football is fun[not fun] again. Le sigh ...
Fucking typical.
fuck this team to eternity
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 06:05 PMI thought that on the first down. Just clock it because there's not enough time to need all four downs.
didn't we have a timeout? or was the graphic wrong.
Basketball team sucks too. When does Gaeckle get a UCL tear?
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 06:05 PMI hate our team but I hate Missouri even more.
I hate our program even more. HY is the moron who gave Pitt Tits that Gordian Knot of a contract.
How many more games would this team have won if we had just an average number of turnovers this year?
Quote from: razor5396 on Nov 30, 2024, 06:06 PMI hate our program even more. HY is the moron who gave Pitt Tits that Gordian Knot of a contract.
But the keeids feel loved and supported
so take a 10 second runoff and waste 8 seconds on the first down?
and we did have a timeout left.
I hope GVN doesn't go Blue Light Special on his new hip.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2024, 06:05 PMdidn't we have a timeout? or was the graphic wrong.
We had a timeout. I don't really disagree with not calling it, given the way the things went.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2024, 06:06 PMHow many more games would this team have won if we had just an average number of turnovers this year?
Was wondering that same thing when they flashed the graphic that showed we led FBS with 25 fumbles.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 30, 2024, 06:08 PMWe had a timeout. I don't really disagree with not calling it, given the way the things went.
We wasted ten seconds not taking the to or clocking it on the first down.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 06:09 PMWe wasted ten seconds not taking the to or clocking it on the first down.
exactly.
If Ohio State has any of that pepper spray left, can we empty the can in Sam's eyes?
Pittman has officially "lived long enough to become the villain"
We absolutely should've called a timeout before the last play, at worst. I guarandamntee you our linemen were huffing more than anyone else on the field.
Fuck this administration! Fire them all at this point...
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 06:10 PMIf Ohio State has any of that pepper spray left, can we empty the can in Sam's eyes?
Did you see the booth after they scored? It looked dark. Maybe he was off for his pre-op consultation.
I legitimately want to know the answer to this question:
Are A&M or Mizzou fans ever worried when they're trailing us in a game? We've led late in countless games against them but always pry defeat from the jaws of victory. Always.
Surely their mindset is basically "meh, we do this all the time, we'll win."
I want a quarterback that knows when to throw the ball and knows when to run the ball and when to not turn the ball over.
Loma
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 06:12 PMI legitimately want to know the answer to this question:
Are A&M or Mizzou fans ever worried when they're trailing us in a game? We've led late in countless games against them but always pry defeat from the jaws of victory. Always.
Surely their mindset is basically "meh, we do this all the time, we'll win."
That's exactly what they think. Not kidding. Jimbo's play calling was always to throw long bombs to get back in the game late.
Sam has been at the lake since last weekend. That blob in the booth was an imposter.
So much to look forward to. Announcement of which 6-6 bowl we get to waste time on. Yuri announcing retention of great Sam Pittman. List of folks opting out of bowl. Rush of players to portal. Decommits of recruits.
We are completely owned by a program that has no football history, average facilities, and one of the worst fanbases in terms of attendance, etc in major college football.
Just shameful.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 06:22 PMWe are completely owned by a program that has no football history, average facilities, and one of the worst fanbases in terms of attendance, etc in major college football.
Just shameful.
Rutgers? Be more specific.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 06:22 PMWe are completely owned by a program that has no football history, average facilities, and one of the worst fanbases in terms of attendance, etc in major college football.
Just shameful.
Don't worry, we are on our way.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 06:22 PMWe are completely owned by a program that has no football history, average facilities, and one of the worst fanbases in terms of attendance, etc in major college football.
Just shameful.
But they have a waterfall in their stadium!!
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 06:22 PMWe are completely owned by a program that has no football history, average facilities, and one of the worst fanbases in terms of attendance, etc in major college football.
Just shameful.
Our fans need to face facts. Mizzou is a better program than we are. Perhaps a markedly better program.
Better history the last 20 years.
Better recruiting footprint.
Better relative success in the SEC.
They fired Odom — an alum and former letterman - after a 6-6 season following 2 straight bowl seasons. Meanwhile we make excuses why we can't do that to Pittman because he's "one of us" (which is a breathtakingly stupid thing to say).
The fact that we look down our noses at them is pretty laughable to me.
Quote from: RazorB on Nov 30, 2024, 06:25 PMRutgers? Be more specific.
You just had to go there.
Mizzou has an edge about them. Always pushing, ripping, shoving, and just generally out-toughing us. We talk and flap our wings.
That is coaching. I'd a whole lot rather be mean than mouthy, especially when we can't back it up.
"There are lots of teams that wish they were going to a bowl game, Chuck"
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 06:29 PMMizzou has an edge about them. Always pushing, ripping, shoving, and just generally out-toughing us. We talk and flap our wings.
That is coaching. I'd a whole lot rather be mean than mouthy, especially when we can't back it up.
Leading the country in fumbles is also on coaching
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 06:29 PMMizzou has an edge about them. Always pushing, ripping, shoving, and just generally out-toughing us. We talk and flap our wings.
That is coaching. I'd a whole lot rather be mean than mouthy, especially when we can't back it up.
We used to be in 2011.
I wouldn't be so sure to label them as a bad fanbase. Mizzou has become huge in KC and STL. Their branding puts us to shame. Fucking tiger logos all over the state.
After those keeds had no idea how to defend a 2 point conversion out there to take it to 28-21 I was pretty much fucking done. Oh I know lets leave open their best receiver. Bold strategy.
They rush 3 and get solid pressure on Akili Smith Lite, we rush 3 and it's like 3 dead bodies kind of zombie walking OH and we give up a 15 yard cushion on every fucking defensive play. I'll wager that long QB run to take the lead we amazingly went man and Mizzou's coaching staff told their keeds to be looking for it.
We have to find a way to bring in better players. We don't want to spend in NIL. Changing coaches doesn't move the needle in recruiting like it used to. We need to hit home runs in the portal. I'm open to suggestions.
Fuck Misery. Fucking snowstorm in November is another reason they don't belong in the SEC.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:33 PMWe have to find a way to bring in better players. We don't want to spend in NIL. Changing coaches doesn't move the needle in recruiting like it used to. We need to hit home runs in the portal. I'm open to suggestions.
Start with a new coach, that's my suggestion.
Excitement buys NIL money, just look at Cal.
Who is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
Also, how do you know this stuff wouldn't do better with better talent? Why wait to hire a new coach and give hin a better chance to win?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:37 PMWho is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
At this point just about anyone would move the needle. The fan base is checked out with Pittman in charge. It's only going to get worse next year.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:37 PMWho is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
I'd throw down for Chadwell.
Perfect blend of age (47) and experience (been a head coach for 15 years) who's won everywhere he's been.
Of course we won't hire him this year and will ultimately lose him to Auburn or Florida a year after we could've gotten him. It's the Arkansas way.
It doesn't really matter as long as it's not a Morris or Pittman level hire, but let's go with the obvious and say Lashlee.
My number one priority would be someone who can use the portal, if a program like Vandy can do it...
As a general statement, "who you gonna get who's better??!" is the same bullshit chuds like Chuck, Irwin and Rick Schaeffer have been spewing since Nutt was here to keep fans accepting piss poor results as given.
We can upgrade and have. The uncertainty of hiring a good coach shouldn't outweigh the need to fire a bad one.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:37 PMWho is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
I'd find a successful group of five or FCS coach. Some coordinator experience at the power five level would be great, but not a deal breaker. Four years, $3-4m a year. Success brings more money. Figure out how to leverage what we save on coach's salary in NIL.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:37 PMWho is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
I think that's kind of an unanswerable question. Right now I really can't name many if any that would leap to come into a loaded SEC to take the same money they could make in a softer league. I don't see us pulling anyone from another SEC program. Would you take your chance on Row Your Boat or PJ Fleck that can't even win decently in a soft Big 10? Matt Campbell's name as faded away a bit but he's still around. Gundy isn't inspiring panties to drop.
NIL is hugely important but I would put it as a secondary concern to we just don't have a real leader at the top. We have a low energy slob that after 5 years just looks beaten down and fucking done. This job will do that to you. Time to plug in a new chicken.
Odom is probably among the best options we could have. That we can really speculate about. There may be others that are unhappy with their situations perhaps because of NIL situations that are worse than ours. NIL collectives became a nice slush fund for these athletic departments and didn't take Arkansas long to use it as a crutch.
"I was calling timeouts near the end to try to save some time. I wished he didn't run it in from 30 yards out. I wished they'd have gone down and missed a field goal."
—Sam Pittman
Maybe he forgot to wish on a star.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 06:46 PMAs a general statement, "who you gonna get who's better??!" is the same bullshit chuds like Chuck, Irwin and Rick Schaeffer have been spewing since Nutt was here to keep fans accepting piss poor results as given.
We can upgrade and have. The uncertainty of hiring a good coach shouldn't outweigh the need to fire a bad one.
Petrino came out of left field, as did Cal in basketball.
The resources and support are there for the right hire, but trying to peg it beforehand is tough.
Relatively reasonable expectations are a selling point.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 06:46 PMI'd find a successful group of five or FCS coach. Some coordinator experience at the power five level would be great, but not a deal breaker. Four years, $3-4m a year. Success brings more money. Figure out how to leverage what we save on coach's salary in NIL.
there isn't an agent or coach that's going to come to the sec for that. none.
going cheap, it's the arkansas way
I wish we had future all-pro offensive tackles but it's just not in the cards for me.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:37 PMWho is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
Also, how do you know this stuff wouldn't do better with better talent? Why wait to hire a new coach and give hin a better chance to win?
Rhett
Rhett isn't coming. Many on here said hell no to him years back when he was an OC.
Is there anyone against Petrino as HC?
He isn't getting it done as OC, and didn't get it done as HC at Louisville or Missouri St.
So, yes, I'd be against it.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 30, 2024, 06:51 PM"I was calling timeouts near the end to try to save some time. I wished he didn't run it in from 30 yards out. I wished they'd have gone down and missed a field goal."
—Sam Pittman
Maybe he forgot to wish on a star.
Damn as long as we're wishing, I wish he would have fumbled the snap is a better one for that drive.
I wish we could cover that TE throw in the flat.
I wish we would have covered the 2-pt conversion and then converted on our 2-minute drive.
So many things to wish for.
Lashlee has learned what Arkansas fans have not. It's a helluva lot easier to win at a place like Arkansas in an easier conference.
Fact is we aren't SEC material.
Neither are Missouri or South Carolina, let alone Vandy.
But any good coach has to consider it's easier to win at Georgia or Bama, no doubt.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 07:00 PMHe isn't getting it done as OC, and didn't get it done as HC at Louisville or Missouri St.
So, yes, I'd be against it.
You don't think he would do much better than this year with better talent?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 07:04 PMYou don't think he would do much better than this year with better talent?
He's well on the downhill slope, and I think his brain is much better at Xs and Os than Jimmy and Joes, it's not just about money, it's about influence/salesmanship. Sure NIL money helps Cal, but it's Cal being who he is that brings in great players.
I just don't like the mentality of not paying to get better players till I get what I want.
That's a "I'm not getting to play so I'm taking my ball and going home" mentality.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 07:07 PMI just don't like the mentality of not paying to get better players till I get what I want.
That's a "I'm not getting to play so I'm taking my ball and going home" mentality.
Awesome. How's your way working out?
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2024, 06:52 PMthere isn't an agent or coach that's going to come to the sec for that. none.
going cheap, it's the arkansas way
An FCS coach making half a million would come here for $3m, especially if there was an opportunity to make a LOT more. Trying to be smart(er) is not cheap. It's protecting the program from a bad hire.
How much did Beamer and Napier make their first year coaching in the SEC? What about Drinkwitz?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 07:07 PMI just don't like the mentality of not paying to get better players till I get what I want.
That's a "I'm not getting to play so I'm taking my ball and going home" mentality.
What you get or don't get is immaterial to reality. The fanbase, the donors, and probably the janitors in the football complex have checked out on Sam. He is done. Nothing will improve while he is here.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2024, 07:11 PMWhat you get or don't get is immaterial to reality. The fanbase, the donors, and probably the janitors in the football complex have checked out on Sam. He is done. Nothing will improve while he is here.
The Hail Mary to save Sam's job and keep the boosters on board was bringing back Petrino. I don't see another move out there that would get more NIL, or even retains current levels, that doesn't involve replacing the head coach.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 07:08 PMAwesome. How's your way working out?
We lack talent and don't care to invest in that problem. I'm at least trying to make it better.. I wish more would.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2024, 07:14 PMThe Hail Mary to save Sam's job and keep the boosters on board was bringing back Petrino. I don't see another move out there that would get more NIL, or even retains current levels, that doesn't involve replacing the head coach.
I agree, but If they didn't fire him after last season, they aren't firing him after this one.
instead of hiring the "hot" coach, look at a coach's record. find someone who has won at multiple schools instead of a one season wonder. and by winning - more than 7 games and with actual wins over power four schools. but no - we will hire a guy like Chad Morris instead of the coach he never beat head to head. quit listening to Jerry.
there are very good coaches on the FCS and D2 levels.
still, pittman is coming back unless he retires. our admin has absolutely no vision for the future. hunter's lengthy email last month was proof of that - and it was still $7 million short of accoutning for the $22 million they claim they will need.
as for the post-game - did the media ask any questions or just bitch about the location?
did anyone ask him why Russell has not seen the field lately? Also, what exactly did he do to contribute from the box? how were the nachos?
i don't think there's any doubt that Petrino's best years are behind him at least as a HC. If he gets another year with this program maybe we'll see him get a free (er) hand on the offense. I could see him coming back and telling Pittman he'll do it but fat ass is gonna have to get the fuck out of the way. Overall I was disappointed not necessarily with Petrino but with the entire thing. We didn't really see any progression to get excited about. When we had some young guys flash...they got put back on the shelf and haven't been seen since. We brought back a lot of experience at WR, Armstrong was a baller all season, #4 improved, #6 improved, Broden continued to regress but they played him for much of the season over other guys that could have used the experience. Things kind of turned weird when Washington and Gumms were run oft. i don't know what to read into that.
We were probably the thinnest I've seen at RB in 25 years and entered the season looking "deep". Hill isn't really an SEC back but we give him one or two carries just for funzies. Jackson was injury prone at Utah and continued to be at Arkansas. Dubinion was beat up, butt hurt to start the season...ended up having a good game or two and that's about it. He's not really a "workhorse" and not sure he'd play on a lot of SEC rosters. Russell had a great game and then put on the shelf for the bowl game presumably...no way Jackson plays in that. Russell will be the "keep hope alive" flavor of the month.
Overall we talk about how bad we are on the lines(s)...I'd say our talent level at the skill positions is downright awful once you get thru a couple guys (Armstrong and Jackson). Hasz I'm just not nearly as impressed with as some are. Dude looks out of shape as fuck. He's not overly fast, he's a bit undersized, I mean what's not to like. I think he gets a lot of traction out of looking like a "gamer".
The Russell deal along with the TE's getting run off, AND MOST OF ALL GREEN, smells of a coaching staff that plays favorites.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2024, 07:14 PMThe Hail Mary to save Sam's job and keep the boosters on board was bringing back Petrino. I don't see another move out there that would get more NIL, or even retains current levels, that doesn't involve replacing the head coach.
I love Petrino, but the dirty little secret is that we brought him back as a 'wag the dog' move to get fans re-engaged and we only did 2 wins better than last year simply by virtue of evading Bama on the schedule and we lucking into Auburn and State being two of the worst teams in the country.
I think Arkansans should suck Frank Broyles' skeleton dick some more. I recall the good old days of watching you all slam the only NC coach we've ever had in a major sport because Chuck Barrett told you he was lazy. I still can close my eyes and smile thinking of 75% of you fretting over the lawsuits we were skating to when we "had" to fire Petrino.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 06:29 PMMizzou has an edge about them. Always pushing, ripping, shoving, and just generally out-toughing us. We talk and flap our wings.
That is coaching. I'd a whole lot rather be mean than mouthy, especially when we can't back it up.
Last game of the year and we still have players running over at the end of plays they weren't involved in just to taunt with that stupid flappy hand faggotry. Sam and T-Will can both get fucked for not addressing that all season.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 06:37 PMWho is a realistic hire that would get you to spend money?
This argument is tired, played out, and stupid. BMFP wasn't a "realistic" hire - come on, Arkansas isn't poaching a coach from the NFL - until he was actually hired. That's the same thinking that kept Nutt here for 10 years.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 07:09 PMAn FCS coach making half a million would come here for $3m, especially if there was an opportunity to make a LOT more. Trying to be smart(er) is not cheap. It's protecting the program from a bad hire.
How much did Beamer and Napier make their first year coaching in the SEC? What about Drinkwitz?
florida hired napier at $7.4 million per.
you have coaches making $9 million that just finished 4-7, 8-4, and kelly is trying for his 8th win at $10 million per. you want to totally ignore the market right now, fair or not, what coaching in the sec will get you paid.
add freeze who is making more than pittman to go 5-6.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 07:17 PMWe lack talent and don't care to invest in that problem. I'm at least trying to make it better.. I wish more would.
I think we had enough talent to win 2-3 more games. Hopefully we can recruit better players to get to where we would be with better coaching.
When you repeatedly lose one score games over and over again, I'm sure talent is the only problem.
We're just a loser program. We make excuses for a fat loser coach. We make fun of other schools for "only" going 8-4. We find ways to lose every single close game. I don't even know where to start anymore. It just sucks.
There is absolutely no point to being an Arkansas fan. It offers no enjoyment, pride, hope or anything else one would associate with entertainment or a pastime. It's just shame, disgust, and disappointment.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 07:20 PMi don't think there's any doubt that Petrino's best years are behind him at least as a HC. If he gets another year with this program maybe we'll see him get a free (er) hand on the offense. I could see him coming back and telling Pittman he'll do it but fat ass is gonna have to get the fuck out of the way. Overall I was disappointed not necessarily with Petrino but with the entire thing. We didn't really see any progression to get excited about. When we had some young guys flash...they got put back on the shelf and haven't been seen since. We brought back a lot of experience at WR, Armstrong was a baller all season, #4 improved, #6 improved, Broden continued to regress but they played him for much of the season over other guys that could have used the experience. Things kind of turned weird when Washington and Gumms were run oft. i don't know what to read into that.
We were probably the thinnest I've seen at RB in 25 years and entered the season looking "deep". Hill isn't really an SEC back but we give him one or two carries just for funzies. Jackson was injury prone at Utah and continued to be at Arkansas. Dubinion was beat up, butt hurt to start the season...ended up having a good game or two and that's about it. He's not really a "workhorse" and not sure he'd play on a lot of SEC rosters. Russell had a great game and then put on the shelf for the bowl game presumably...no way Jackson plays in that. Russell will be the "keep hope alive" flavor of the month.
Overall we talk about how bad we are on the lines(s)...I'd say our talent level at the skill positions is downright awful once you get thru a couple guys (Armstrong and Jackson). Hasz I'm just not nearly as impressed with as some are. Dude looks out of shape as fuck. He's not overly fast, he's a bit undersized, I mean what's not to like. I think he gets a lot of traction out of looking like a "gamer".
This whole team is soft. Petrino can't fix that from the OC position, that much is clear at this point. He can't fix any of the same softness on the defense. I love that Bobby is back on the sidelines. I'd love to see us move him up to HC and get the offensive band back together with Paul and Garrick, along with a top GM to keep the NIL funds coming in and being distributed. It won't happen.
I'm not high on T-Will but I wouldn't be upset if he stayed for another year with a tougher head coach. I think he could put together a nasty defense if he had players that weren't so smooth-brained.
For the bring Bobby back crowd, what makes you think he's still got it after Missouri St and Louisville?
Does he look like the offensive genius he once was?
Bottom line if NIL isn't already tanking it will if they don't make some changes at the top. All the radio and social media wonks were saying it before the game...Arkansas fans are not engaged. Not in football and surprisingly not really even basketball. The fans are checked out. College athletics is basically now semi-pro sports and I'm not sure fans are going to get nearly as emotionally invested in it. Does the NFL come out and ask the fans to help fork over cash? Well they do it thru ticket sales but college athletics want to keep their traditional revenue lanes free and clear and just add this in on top of it. People are not stupid.
What HY and Pittman have said are very much true. They need the average Joe to fork over hard earned money in order to buy players. I think the flip side that everyone is thinking is you could give Pittman 5 star guys and he's going to find a way to make them mediocre. People see this as a poor investment of their entertainment dollar. You keep putting a shitty product on the field that can barely win meaningful home games and this is what you are going to get.
For our lack of talent in areas this season if these guys clean up some of the dumb shit we probably win 2 or 3 more games. Some of it was easily correctable with better technique and discipline.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 07:36 PMBottom line if NIL isn't already tanking it will if they don't make some changes at the top. All the radio and social media wonks were saying it before the game...Arkansas fans are not engaged. Not in football and surprisingly not really even basketball. The fans are checked out. College athletics is basically now semi-pro sports and I'm not sure fans are going to get nearly as emotionally invested in it. Does the NFL come out and ask the fans to help fork over cash? Well they do it thru ticket sales but college athletics want to keep their traditional revenue lanes free and clear and just add this in on top of it. People are not stupid.
What HY and Pittman have said are very much true. They need the average Joe to fork over hard earned money in order to buy players. I think the flip side that everyone is thinking is you could give Pittman 5 star guys and he's going to find a way to make them mediocre. People see this as a poor investment of their entertainment dollar. You keep putting a shitty product on the field that can barely win meaningful home games and this is what you are going to get.
For our lack of talent in areas this season if these guys clean up some of the dumb shit we probably win 2 or 3 more games. Some of it was easily correctable with better technique and discipline.
Pretty apt, all of this.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 07:36 PMFor the bring Bobby back crowd, what makes you think he's still got it after Missouri St and Louisville?
Does he look like the offensive genius he once was?
From watching the DJ Williams 4th and 5 videos I think he can still make magic happen. For whatever reason he hasn't gotten inside Green's head this year. Aggy's offense was very much improved last season until they wound up having to start their third-string QB due to injuries.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2024, 07:39 PMFrom watching the DJ Williams 4th and 5 videos I think he can still make magic happen. For whatever reason he hasn't gotten inside Green's head this year. Aggy's offense was very much improved last season until they wound up having to start their third-string QB due to injuries.
He needs to bring the sledge hammer back and put it to Green's head.
The bottkm fell out of this program with KJ's Superman leap. It's been all downhill since. Everything was trending upwards. That broke the spell and Sam and his program turned into a fat pumpkin after that.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2024, 07:00 PMhtl.
That outweighs everyone else here combined.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 07:04 PMYou don't think he would do much better than this year with better talent?
What's the point in talent if you don't get the most of it? The head coach sets the tone and this is a soft ass program, with a tired old man leading it. We need someone who will push these players and hold them accountable. Colbeertits and the ghost of BMFP ain't it.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Nov 30, 2024, 07:45 PMWhat's the point in talent if you don't get the most of it? The head coach sets the tone and this is a soft ass program, with a tired old man leading it. We need someone who will push these players and hold them accountable. Colbeertits and the ghost of BMFP ain't it.
This
NIL arrangements are one year deals right? I think we have some who don't need to be invited back.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 30, 2024, 07:44 PMHe needs to bring the sledge hammer back and put it to Green's head.
I would tell the cops he was like that when I found him.
Good to hear Landon Jackson had checked out of the hospital and met the team in the locker room after another loss.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 07:36 PMBottom line if NIL isn't already tanking it will if they don't make some changes at the top. All the radio and social media wonks were saying it before the game...Arkansas fans are not engaged. Not in football and surprisingly not really even basketball. The fans are checked out. College athletics is basically now semi-pro sports and I'm not sure fans are going to get nearly as emotionally invested in it. Does the NFL come out and ask the fans to help fork over cash? Well they do it thru ticket sales but college athletics want to keep their traditional revenue lanes free and clear and just add this in on top of it. People are not stupid.
What HY and Pittman have said are very much true. They need the average Joe to fork over hard earned money in order to buy players. I think the flip side that everyone is thinking is you could give Pittman 5 star guys and he's going to find a way to make them mediocre. People see this as a poor investment of their entertainment dollar. You keep putting a shitty product on the field that can barely win meaningful home games and this is what you are going to get.
For our lack of talent in areas this season if these guys clean up some of the dumb shit we probably win 2 or 3 more games. Some of it was easily correctable with better technique and discipline.
Here's the other issue with NIL.
The chuds in our media have conditioned our fans for literal decades that paying players is evil and sinful and that we're a "clean program" who "does things the right way." We looked down our noses at the Alabamas, Auburns and Ole Misses of the world for doing things of ill repute.
So when paying players is made legal, we simply can't wrap our small brains around it because of years of said conditioning. Prime example is Irwin still referring to direct player payments in recruiting as "cheating" instead of accepting it as codified law now.
Unfortunately, NIL is simply anathema to who we are culturally as a program and a fan base because, like most things, we're stuck in a bygone era and refuse to accept or embrace modernity.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4431325/taylen-green
I mean we're talking maybe marginal improvement if you consider the competition upgrade from Boise to the SEC. So there's some reason to be optimistic that his senior season will be "better". But this dude isn't going to suddenly put up 25 tds threw the air. Looking at these stats I'd say best case is he gets us into that 15 td's and 7 picks in 2025 that may be good enough for a couple more wins yaw. If you then consider how many dudes he left running wide fucking open or over threw or under threw and he could have put up 25+ tds passing this season he he had a brain. I just don't see the kid getting that much better...maybe with far better protection.
Didn't A&M bench the kid Petrino was starting last season? May be something there...
They don't care. Neither should you.
Offensive line was our weakest position group... again. How do you fix that?
The HC is a line guru, so how do you put together a line that gives the QB time to throw?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 08:00 PMOffensive line was our weakest position group... again. How do you fix that?
The HC is a line guru, so how do you put together a line that gives the QB time to throw?
true, but do you see one guy on our oline that would start for almost any sec teams worth a shit? i don't, and yes that falls on the hc.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2024, 08:02 PMtrue, but do you see one guy on our oline that would start for almost any sec teams worth a shit? i don't, and yes that falls on the hc.
Absolutely, talent and development suck.
Meanwhile at Mizzou, the "media area"...
https://x.com/ChoateMason/status/1863013094890283044
Talent evaluation seems to be a problem with Pittman, how many linemen have they whiffed on?
Add to that the guys who seem to have talent but never play much - singleton, Russell, etc.
Sam's best team was made of guys who had been here for 5 and 6 years which will never occur again. And yet, how has he capitalized on that "success"?
Also, what happened to all the yessir bullshit?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 08:03 PMAbsolutely, talent and development suck.
Meanwhile at Mizzou, the "media area"...
https://x.com/ChoateMason/status/1863013094890283044
I love when the Arkansas media bristles at subpar conditions.
we're also spending nil at the wrong positions.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 07:57 PMHere's the other issue with NIL.
The chuds in our media have conditioned our fans for literal decades that paying players is evil and sinful and that we're a "clean program" who "does things the right way." We looked down our noses at the Alabamas, Auburns and Ole Misses of the world for doing things of ill repute.
So when paying players is made legal, we simply can't wrap our small brains around it because of years of said conditioning. Prime example is Irwin still referring to direct player payments in recruiting as "cheating" instead of accepting it as codified law now.
Unfortunately, NIL is simply anathema to who we are culturally as a program and a fan base because, like most things, we're stuck in a bygone era and refuse to accept or embrace modernity.
To play into that more still... we've gone from a program that "
does things the right way (and loses)" to a program that is so terrible because the fans won't shit out 15% of their salaries so a 18-24 year old can spend it on bullshit bling in college because the universities saw to it that they couldn't use all that tv revenue on it's employees (players). Either way we're ready with the excuses and the fans will accept it. For much of my adult life I suffered from this delusion that we do things the right way and that's why we don't win. Makes perfect sense. That's when the "We're not ready for the SEC" talk comes into focus. We weren't then and still aren't now. Whatever edge there is to be gotten you can be sure Arkansas is at the rear of the pack. It's the easiest thing to help explain away mediocrity and keep the customers coming back for more.
God forbid we actually led in the NIL era and still yet our coaches and AD had to answer for that poor result that we are sure would come. Likewise other fan-bases may come back to earth when the results aren't there but Indiana raises enough to be exciting and competitive in a charmin soft Big 10 and will likely be in the playoffs. Vandy's success still looks very 6-6 ish and they damn sure didn't do it with NIL. What IU is doing can only be done in soft fucking leagues like the ACC, Big 10, and Big 12. There's no way we'll ever spend enough to be that much more competitive...we'll have to find the right mix of right players, right time, and right coaches. Something that hasn't really happened since Petrino's stint.
I think Russell played in one or two games after his tweet looking for representation. Interesting.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 07:36 PMFor the bring Bobby back crowd, what makes you think he's still got it after Missouri St and Louisville?
Does he look like the offensive genius he once was?
If green wasn't a ruhtard and could actually comprehend and carry out the plays BP draws up, he would have been much more successful.
Ryan Mallett was a dude and had a football brain, green is just an idiot.
Yuracheeks wants him back. #OneRazorback
I'm also cynical enough to believe that Pittman scheduled his hip surgery when he did in order to force Yurachek's hand.
We got crucified for firing Bert coming off the field. Think about how bad the optics of firing a coach in the hospital recovering from surgery would be. What sort of a shitlord would do that?
Maybe Pittman isn't the blithering idiot I thought he was.
Sam loves his staff and wants everyone back.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 08:19 PMSam loves his staff and wants everyone back.
I'm sure he does. We're well on our way to 7-6 if we can manage to play UAPB in a bowl game. #MISSIONACCOMPLISHED
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 08:21 PMI'm sure he does. We're well on our way to 7-6 if we can manage to play UAPB in a bowl game. #MISSIONACCOMPLISHED
Hang the banner, boys!!
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 08:18 PMI'm also cynical enough to believe that Pittman scheduled his hip surgery when he did in order to force Yurachek's hand.
We got crucified for firing Bert coming off the field. Think about how bad the optics of firing a coach in the hospital recovering from surgery would be. What sort of a shitlord would do that?
Maybe Pittman isn't the blithering idiot I thought he was.
A broken clock is only right twice a day.
Funny that during the broadcast, the announcers kept referring to it as a "Hip Injury."
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 07:32 PMI think we had enough talent to win 2-3 more games. Hopefully we can recruit better players to get to where we would be with better coaching.
When you repeatedly lose one score games over and over again, I'm sure talent is the only problem.
Agree to disagree on that. We lost most gsmes due to kid's making mistakes and turning the ball over. We win 3 more games, including today, with better players.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 08:51 PMAgree to disagree on that. We lost most gsmes due to kid's making mistakes and turning the ball over. We win 3 more games, including today, with better players.
We had better players today for the most part.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 08:51 PMAgree to disagree on that. We lost most gsmes due to kid's making mistakes and turning the ball over. We win 3 more games, including today, with better players.
Takes a good coach to recruit better players.
Just listened to a couple of our oline men at the press conference. They didn't sound that upset. Why is woopig?
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 09:01 PMJust listened to a couple of our oline men at the press conference. They didn't sound that upset. Why is woopig?
We have an O-Line?
To me it's mainly semantics over "better players" equating to dudes that don't make as many critical mistakes. The vast majority of mistakes were avoidable. You can argue it's coaching it's probably a mix of mis evaluations on players that just can't play consistently and/or stay focused and at some point the player has to be accountable the majority of these errors were not from being out classed except for on the offensive line and defensive backfield that's where we see the majority of our miscues. Defensive backs can't be hung out to dry because of the slugs on the defensive line. The DC can't continue to call these defenses that give huge cushions. What in the hell.
Likewise the offensive line can't hold legit SEC D-Line the QB has to be able to read and react cat quick in this offense. I prefer the pre-Lamar Jackson Petrino approach to what he's doing now. But anyway yes talent is only part of it. You've got to have accountability to go along with everything and I'm not seeing where we had a staff willing to jerk a kid out of the lineup when they continued to fuck the dog.
You are going to have turnovers from guys fighting for extra yards. You might have some turnovers from tipped balls or the QB making an aggressive throw. We don't want those turnovers from lazy blooper passes floating in the air for 35 seconds. We don't want fumbles from guys not being ready to take the hand off or from a center that literally can't snap the ball.
Overall what it really comes down to is difference makers. When it came time to win the damn game Missouri had difference makers and we didn't.
Petrino's impact could have and probably should have yielded another couple wins if not 3. This was his boy though and we rode with him for the entire season. So Petrino as to own that shit. 2 more wins and we're having a much different conversation. We're happy with our 8 wins going into a bowl. Instead we'll be lucky to win 8 next season and much more likely it'll be a repeat.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 07:57 PMHere's the other issue with NIL.
The chuds in our media have conditioned our fans for literal decades that paying players is evil and sinful and that we're a "clean program" who "does things the right way." We looked down our noses at the Alabamas, Auburns and Ole Misses of the world for doing things of ill repute.
So when paying players is made legal, we simply can't wrap our small brains around it because of years of said conditioning. Prime example is Irwin still referring to direct player payments in recruiting as "cheating" instead of accepting it as codified law now.
Unfortunately, NIL is simply anathema to who we are culturally as a program and a fan base because, like most things, we're stuck in a bygone era and refuse to accept or embrace modernity.
Jesus, NIL has made some of you lose your fucking mind. This is one of the most fucked up takes I've read on this board in a while.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 09:12 PMInstead we'll be lucky to win 8 next season and much more likely it'll be a repeat.
Considering how we've only won 8 games something like 2 times in the 12 years since the motorcycle crash, I'd say we'd be a lot more than lucky to win 8.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 09:12 PMInstead we'll be lucky to win 8 next season and much more likely it'll be a repeat.
We'll be lucky not to have 8 losses next year with our schedule.
Oh good we get to play Notre Dame and Memphis as OOC's
The rest of the schedule seems manageable and by that I mean we're gonna manage to lose all four road SEC games and probably lose our rubber match with Auburn. So yes we'll be lucky to win six with a talented roster. I can see why HY doesn't want a new coach to have to take on this turd but Sam might not make it past Week 4
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 09:20 PMOh good we get to play Notre Dame and Memphis as OOC's
The rest of the schedule seems manageable and by that I mean we're gonna manage to lose all four road SEC games and probably lose our rubber match with Auburn. So yes we'll be lucky to win six with a talented roster. I can see why HY doesn't want a new coach to have to take on this turd but Sam might not make it past Week 4
lol. We trade UAPB and UAB for Memphis and Notre Dame. Who made that call?
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2024, 09:20 PMOh good we get to play Notre Dame and Memphis as OOC's
The rest of the schedule seems manageable and by that I mean we're gonna manage to lose all four road SEC games and probably lose our rubber match with Auburn. So yes we'll be lucky to win six with a talented roster. I can see why HY doesn't want a new coach to have to take on this turd but Sam might not make it past Week 4
Exactly. HY needs to sit Sam down and say "look at the schedule: You'll probably be fired before Halloween next year, and you'll be hated by everyone. Or you can retire and shape the narrative that you were the guy who dragged us out of the mud and undid our laughingstock reputation."
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 09:25 PMExactly. HY needs to sit Sam down and say "look at the schedule: You'll probably be fired before Halloween next year, and you'll be hated by everyone. Or you can retire and shape the narrative that you were the guy who dragged us out of the mud and undid our laughingstock reputation."
That ship has sailed. We've regained our laughingstock reputation.
NIL does not guarantee anything.
How does a program with the most expensive roster in college football (reportedly $20 million in NIL money) lose to a five-loss Michigan team that looked inept most of the season?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/is-ryan-day-on-the-hot-seat-maybe-not-but-angst-will-only-grow-as-ohio-states-pricey-roster-falls-flat/
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 30, 2024, 06:09 PMWe wasted ten seconds not taking the to or clocking it on the first down.
The announcers said at the start of the game that Petrino would be calling the timeouts on offense, TWill on defense. So if you want to bitch about it not being called, it's on BP.
Personally I think he was trying to get a chunk yardage play, and he was saving it for the next play into the end zone.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 09:31 PMNIL does not guarantee anything.
How does a program with the most expensive roster in college football (reportedly $20 million in NIL money) lose to a five-loss Michigan team that looked inept most of the season?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/is-ryan-day-on-the-hot-seat-maybe-not-but-angst-will-only-grow-as-ohio-states-pricey-roster-falls-flat/
no one should be talking about guarantees.
it sure as hell gives you a better chance than those who don't have it. how can anyone dispute that?
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 30, 2024, 09:30 PMThat ship has sailed. We've regained our laughingstock reputation.
Not really.
For those of us who follow the program closely, yeah, it's embarrassing the way we're losing these games, but for the national media, we're a six-win team that upset #5 Tennessee. We're going to a bowl. blah blah blah.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 30, 2024, 09:36 PMThe announcers said at the start of the game that Petrino would be calling the timeouts on offense, TWill on defense. So if you want to bitch about it not being called, it's on BP.
Personally I think he was trying to get a chunk yardage play, and he was saving it for the next play into the end zone.
I think he held it in case Green got sacked. It's a miracle he didn't, so it wasn't an unfounded concern.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 30, 2024, 08:53 PMTakes a good coach to recruit better players.
Coaches have less impact on what school a chooses than ever before. Kids will go where the money is.
We are not going to win in HS recruiting. Too much of a disadvantage. We can win by spending big in the portal.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 30, 2024, 09:36 PMThe announcers said at the start of the game that Petrino would be calling the timeouts on offense, TWill on defense. So if you want to bitch about it not being called, it's on BP.
Personally I think he was trying to get a chunk yardage play, and he was saving it for the next play into the end zone.
I thought about that. Unless they changed the rule for this game timeouts still have to come from the head coach, so the difference today would just be who relays that to the officials.
Either way, Bobby should have used it whether Sam was calling for it or not.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 09:31 PMNIL does not guarantee anything.
How does a program with the most expensive roster in college football (reportedly $20 million in NIL money) lose to a five-loss Michigan team that looked inept most of the season?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/is-ryan-day-on-the-hot-seat-maybe-not-but-angst-will-only-grow-as-ohio-states-pricey-roster-falls-flat/
Hatred is one helliva motivator.
Does everyone agree we have significant disadvantages in recruiting? (especially HS)
It's also well known that we have one of the poorest NIL collectives in the SEC.
Given those 2 things, if you agree with them, what are your expectations?
To me, given those 2 things we are a 6-9 win program tops. I don't care who your head coach is. You are not gonna compete at an elite level unless you can match the talent of your opponent every week.
After 32 years in the SEC we are a 6 win program. That's reality. That is not gonna change until something DRASTICALLY changes.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 09:54 PMCoaches have less impact on what school a chooses than ever before. Kids will go where the money is.
We are not going to win in HS recruiting. Too much of a disadvantage. We can win by spending big in the portal.
And no one's going to open their wallets with SP at the helm. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that's the way it is.
So we'll be here this time next year, with
6 5 wins, and you and Sam and HY will be right. It was the fans fault because of lack of support, aka, not opening our wallets.
I think if there is no better plan in the works (spoiler alert: we are Arkansas, and there is not) you have to get rid of Sam and promote Bobby to HC. Assuming he wants it and that it can be legally done. There's been so much nonsense about that I don't know who to believe, but if they want to, I'm sure there is a way to work around it.
Bobby will bring discipline if he is in charge. If a player keeps fumbling, their ass will be on the bench. If Green is not better than Singleton or KJ Jackson during spring ball and fall camp, fuck Fletcher's money, Bobby won't play favorites. Players will finally fear the head coach again and that is what we need right now.
He is not washed yet. Hell, we are 4th in the fucking nation in total YPG among P4 schools. With THIS offensive line and THESE players. If you don't see the players we have running wide open and still just completely miss it because of an R-word quarterback, I can't help you. And who knows where we'd be without missing those big plays...much less leading the fucking nation in fumbles?
Rhetorical, I guess...9-3 or better.
Yes, he was blessed with an incredible class coming out of Arkansas high schools in 2008. That's not happening this year. But he always had a gift here for finding rare gems in 3-star talent elsewhere due to a lot of things (measurables, comparing players vs the level of talent they were playing in HS, some other shit, things of that nature) he would explain during those old "Signing Day in the Rock" deals they held. And the portal is a whole new world for him finding those types of guys among G5 schools and maybe a couple of other kids like Drew Sanders or Sorey that are good and just want to get playing time. That wasn't a thing when he was back at Louisville.
Spend the majority of NIL money on the line on both sides of the ball and let BP find us some skill positions.
Next year is going to be tough for anyone. Saban or Urban Meyer could show up tomorrow and we would still struggle to get bowl eligible with next year's schedule.
ANY consistency (as much or as little as that means in the current landscape of CFB) would go a Long way. Hiring Odom and him keeping Bobby on would help some with that, but I'm not sure that excites anyone or increases NIL or enhances recruiting/portaling.
It was a play by the PTB to band-aid the apathy that was there last year by hiring Bobby as OC. I am unsure that there is a better move on the table right now than for them to do the same by making him HC this year.
I hope there is but this is all I gots. Next year's coaching carousel is going to be brutal, and we'll be nobody's darling after our 2025 schedule.
If we fire Sam and hire another coach and keep doing the same shit we will be right back here in a couple years. We will likely even dip the first year we have a new coach. Much like Moo St
We can't JUST fire/hire coaches and think it's gonna change. Thirty two years tells you that's not gonna happen.
Doc, solid points all around.
petrino's last two stints as a hc ended badly, he lost the team both places. that was before nil and the open portal too. that gives me a little pause.
there's zero indication pittman won't be back next year. i'm not sure how petrino will feel about being in the program after next season if it's going to be as bad as some of you think it will.
there's as much of a chance he just takes his money and leaves than him being hc imo.
If we were to bring Odom back why not let him bring that OC prodigy he's got at UNLV. I'm aligned on NIL being heavy on the lines.
Agree as well. I think he's at his best as OC. I would be extremely surprised if we have a new HC and they retained BP as OC. Even if it is Odom. I also think it's highly unlikely his replacement would be as good.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 10:51 PMIf we were to bring Odom back why not let him bring that OC prodigy he's got at UNLV. I'm aligned on NIL being heavy on the lines.
No thanks. The Oc prodigy will leave and then we would be stuck with a head coach that doesn't like to recruit.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2024, 10:47 PMpetrino's last two stints as a hc ended badly, he lost the team both places. that was before nil and the open portal too. that gives me a little pause.
there's zero indication pittman won't be back next year. i'm not sure how petrino will feel about being in the program after next season if it's going to be as bad as some of you think it will.
there's as much of a chance he just takes his money and leaves than him being hc imo.
Blows my mind that we're parsing keeping Pittman for ANOTHER year, given the known. Meanwhile the only coach in the last 20 years to get us to within the top 3, and 5, for a few weeks...scoop and score!...is walking the sidelines as our OC.
"But does he still have IT?"
We're such a retarded fan base.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 10:51 PMIf we were to bring Odom back why not let him bring that OC prodigy he's got at UNLV. I'm aligned on NIL being heavy on the lines.
Barry Odom never won more than 8 games at Mizzou. That's no better than Pittman. Is that acceptable? Why would we up our NIL for someone with similar results.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 10:57 PMBarry Odom never won more than 8 games at Mizzou. That's no better than Pittman. Is that acceptable? Why would we up our NIL for someone with similar results.
You're relentless! 😀
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 30, 2024, 11:07 PMYou're relentless! 😀
Swear to gawd..that's the only thing I've agreed with him for the last...check notes...20 pages.
I'm an engineer and a very analytical thinker ;D
I rarely find that the simplest answer is the correct one. Just giving someone else a try isn't gonna solve this.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 11:17 PMI'm an engineer and a very analytical thinker ;D
I rarely find that the simplest answer is the correct one. Just giving someone else a try isn't gonna solve this.
Engineers! Lead the Way!
I disagree, and I often find that the simplest answer is the correct one. It's the engineering mind however, that should remain vigilant for the outliers.
We're walking into year 6 brother. This is not an outlier.
God help us if Sam gets a new hip and manages 8 wins next year.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2024, 05:41 PMArmstrong is our best player.
Well hes our best player, the rest are just shit.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2024, 11:42 PMEngineers! Lead the Way!
I disagree, and I often find that the simplest answer is the correct one. It's the engineering mind however, that should remain vigilant for the outliers.
We're walking into year 6 brother. This is not an outlier.
God help us if Sam gets a new hip and manages 8 wins next year.
Well, I'm on the data architecture side. Only a simple problem has a simple solution. This is not a simple problem.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2024, 09:25 PMExactly. HY needs to sit Sam down and say "look at the schedule: You'll probably be fired before Halloween next year, and you'll be hated by everyone. Or you can retire and shape the narrative that you were the guy who dragged us out of the mud and undid our laughingstock reputation."
Sam will say the same thing he's been saying. "Pay me". He doesn't care if he's fired, retired, or working he's getting paid.
The difference between Sam and great coaches is simple. Great coaches don't love winning; they hate losing with so much fervor it drives every fiber of their being. Sam is mighty comfortable losing.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:22 AMWell, I'm on the data architecture side. Only a simple problem has a simple solution. This is not a simple problem.
Sure it is. It's year 6, not year 2. We know the outcome. You seem to be comfortable with status quo.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 10:11 PMDoes everyone agree we have significant disadvantages in recruiting? (especially HS)
It's also well known that we have one of the poorest NIL collectives in the SEC.
Given those 2 things, if you agree with them, what are your expectations?
To me, given those 2 things we are a 6-9 win program tops. I don't care who your head coach is. You are not gonna compete at an elite level unless you can match the talent of your opponent every week.
After 32 years in the SEC we are a 6 win program. That's reality. That is not gonna change until something DRASTICALLY changes.
Recruiting base is what nobody wants to talk about, but it is what we don't have. The state does not produce enough D1 talent to be "our base", so we always had to rely on TX. Once Aggie came into the SEC, that killed our pitch of "you get to play in the SEC". With OU now in, that kills OK. Every state around us can offer better $$, better programs, better coaches, better opportunities. We never got 4 or 5 star kids and we won't now. I think we'll have to over-perform to win 8-9 games, and I don't think we can do that on a regular basis in the SEC.
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1863022324905025732?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:22 AMWell, I'm on the data architecture side. Only a simple problem has a simple solution. This is not a simple problem.
It kinda is
You know Sam doesn't move wallets
You don't know if the next guy will but probably gets an "election bump" if he's anywhere near sellable to the fans
Arkansas fans are gonna want another Calipari type hire and I just don't see that happening for the football program
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 01, 2024, 06:44 AMhttps://x.com/adamford92/status/1863022324905025732?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Have to agree with Ford here this Williams guy calls some really fucked up defenses sometimes.
I'm sure some of that is our talent limitations but I'd much rather put pressure on a QB than to sit back and wait for 12 yard completions guarding at 15 yard depths.
Apathy will be at an all time high next year. Stuck with this shitty QB. No Armstrong. Russell, Braxton, Hasz will leave. Division II talent on D.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 11:17 PMI'm an engineer and a very analytical thinker ;D
I rarely find that the simplest answer is the correct one. Just giving someone else a try isn't gonna solve this.
So you bill hourly? ;D
I can't get much more apathetic at this point. I still passively watch every game on TV, but I stopped buying season tickets. Every home game I hope a friend or family member doesn't offer me a ticket so I don't have to come up with some BS excuse not to go. Not too long ago I could name 90% of the roster and now I might be able to name 10 guys on the team.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 01, 2024, 06:44 AMhttps://x.com/adamford92/status/1863022324905025732?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
I saw in the comments that someone thought the snow hurt us. I thought it helped us, particularly our secondary.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 01, 2024, 07:34 AMApathy will be at an all time high next year. Stuck with this shitty QB. No Armstrong. Russell, Braxton, Hasz will leave. Division II talent on D.
Yep. And a BRUTAL schedule.
Notre Dame
@Texas
@Tennessee
@LSU
@Ole Miss
Sam will get fired mid season next year.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 01, 2024, 07:34 AMApathy will be at an all time high next year. Stuck with this shitty QB. No Armstrong. Russell, Braxton, Hasz will leave. Division II talent on D.
I'm not huge on Hasz, but if he leaves, Shamar Easter better be the truth because we're paper thin at TE.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 01, 2024, 08:28 AMI'm not huge on Hasz, but if he leaves, Shamar Easter better be the truth because we're paper thin at TE.
#81 showed some flashes in that Nathan Bax kind of way that Pitt loves
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Dec 01, 2024, 06:05 AMRecruiting base is what nobody wants to talk about, but it is what we don't have. The state does not produce enough D1 talent to be "our base", so we always had to rely on TX. Once Aggie came into the SEC, that killed our pitch of "you get to play in the SEC". With OU now in, that kills OK. Every state around us can offer better $$, better programs, better coaches, better opportunities. We never got 4 or 5 star kids and we won't now. I think we'll have to over-perform to win 8-9 games, and I don't think we can do that on a regular basis in the SEC.
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No one wants to hear it, but you're right. This season is about what you can expect playing in the SEC.
I don't really agree. Whenever we're down like this everyone wants to pretend we're at such a disadvantage and our talent is so terrible. There are schools with bigger advantages, that's for sure, but this isn't a plucky little under talented team overachieving it's way to a six win season. This is a 9 win team bumblefucking its way through the season with a fat loser coach practically inventing ways to lose games.
If we play just AVERAGE football in terms of penalties and turnovers, we win at least two more games. Instead we played HISTORICALLY bad football in terms of penalties and turnovers and we limped to six wins.
I can't stand all of this loser wittle ol Arkiesaw talk. Get a competent coach and win the games we are supposed to win. If you win 7-9 games consistently you build excitement in the program and then every so often, things are going to break and you turn a 9 win season into a 10 or 11 win season. And now, that means you make the playoffs.
Everything starts with competent coaching. Get that. Win some games you're not supposed to. Excitement builds, recruiting momentum builds, NIL picks up, and more wins follow.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Dec 01, 2024, 06:05 AMRecruiting base is what nobody wants to talk about, but it is what we don't have. The state does not produce enough D1 talent to be "our base", so we always had to rely on TX. Once Aggie came into the SEC, that killed our pitch of "you get to play in the SEC". With OU now in, that kills OK. Every state around us can offer better $$, better programs, better coaches, better opportunities. We never got 4 or 5 star kids and we won't now. I think we'll have to over-perform to win 8-9 games, and I don't think we can do that on a regular basis in the SEC.
We are recruiting in the same basic range as we always have. Nutt, Petrino, Bert, and everyone since in the era of recruiting rankings have finished somewhere between 15th and 30th nationally. Usually we fall somewhere in the mid to low 20s.
That limits our ceiling significantly. We will never be Alabama, Georgia, or LSU as a result. What we can and should be is equal to or better than Ole Miss, Miss State, and Missouri. Anything they can accomplish, we can as well.
The biggest difference right now is in leadership. That's not just strategy, game management, or player development either. The right coach will maximize NIL spending by boosters. He will recruit nearer the top of our historical range. And the resulting success will improve fan interest and morale, which makes the NIL fund get even bigger over time, possibly allowing us to punch even further above our weight class as time progresses.
Dave Van Horn should be the model we use. He built his program by getting players from this region and from cold weather states that were underrecruited, and getting the most out of them. He built fan support in the process, and used his success with limited talent to gain access to more fertile recruiting zones, upping the program's profile even further. While enjoying this success we woke up one day and were universally regarded as a top five program nationally.
And our conference is every bit as difficult in baseball as football, maybe even tougher. We are at every bit the disadvantage in local talent as we are in football relative to our peers. If we can do it in baseball, we can in football. But it isn't a quick fix. Every "one more year" we spend trying to do the same thing with the same guy and expecting different results puts us further away from eventual success, and makes it that much harder to attract the type of leader who can implement the process.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 01, 2024, 08:28 AMI'm not huge on Hasz, but if he leaves, Shamar Easter better be the truth because we're paper thin at TE.
Shamar Easter is never going to do anything here. He is charmin soft. Would rather be doing theatre.
Sam will be at the track next weekend in his wheelchair.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 01, 2024, 09:08 AMSam will be at the track next weekend in his wheelchair.
Hip replacement recovery is surprisingly not as long as you would think.
Granted the people I know who had it were a few years younger and a lot more fit than Sam. But they were back on their feet doing at least some limited work pretty soon after surgery.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 09:14 AMHip replacement recovery is surprisingly not as long as you would think.
Granted the people I know who had it were a few years younger and a lot more fit than Sam. But they were back on their feet doing at least some limited work pretty soon after surgery.
Great, we can expect Arkansas Ortho commercials with him on it all next year.
I'll throw in the towel. You guys are right. All we need is a new staff.
Just get a coach to come into a program that averages 6 wins a year for 32 years. Hands down the worst in state talent of any team in our conference. We have one of the lowest NIL collectives in P4 football. The good players you had all just hit the portal.
We just need the right guy who's willing to come into that situation and we can all set our schedules to watch the CFB rankings shows next year to see where we are in the playoff rankings. I'm sure guys like Saban and UM are calling their agents today about this pass can't pass up opportunity. We're guaranteed to be at 9/10 wins.
You guys win....
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 11:17 PMI'm an engineer and a very analytical thinker ;D
I rarely find that the simplest answer is the correct one. Just giving someone else a try isn't gonna solve this.
Except you keep spouting a simple solution, throw money (that we don't have) at it.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 09:05 AMWe are recruiting in the same basic range as we always have. Nutt, Petrino, Bert, and everyone since in the era of recruiting rankings have finished somewhere between 15th and 30th nationally. Usually we fall somewhere in the mid to low 20s.
That limits our ceiling significantly. We will never be Alabama, Georgia, or LSU as a result. What we can and should be is equal to or better than Ole Miss, Miss State, and Missouri. Anything they can accomplish, we can as well.
The biggest difference right now is in leadership. That's not just strategy, game management, or player development either. The right coach will maximize NIL spending by boosters. He will recruit nearer the top of our historical range. And the resulting success will improve fan interest and morale, which makes the NIL fund get even bigger over time, possibly allowing us to punch even further above our weight class as time progresses.
Dave Van Horn should be the model we use. He built his program by getting players from this region and from cold weather states that were underrecruited, and getting the most out of them. He built fan support in the process, and used his success with limited talent to gain access to more fertile recruiting zones, upping the program's profile even further. While enjoying this success we woke up one day and were universally regarded as a top five program nationally.
And our conference is every bit as difficult in baseball as football, maybe even tougher. We are at every bit the disadvantage in local talent as we are in football relative to our peers. If we can do it in baseball, we can in football. But it isn't a quick fix. Every "one more year" we spend trying to do the same thing with the same guy and expecting different results puts us further away from eventual success, and makes it that much harder to attract the type of leader who can implement the process.
Honestly I want you to replace Hunter. You know how to run a business which is what an AD has to do in this day and age. And you get this program.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2024, 09:38 AMExcept you keep spouting a simple solution, throw money (that we don't have) at it.
We have to get better talent. We have good coaches calling plays. I've heard 1 person say Petrino is washed yet we had a top 10 offense. We have players running open our QB doesn't see. The plays are there. Spend the money to get Dillon Gabriel instead of Taylen Green. You don't think that would've made an immediate difference?
I said to throw money at NIL to get Petrino/Williams better talent and we should see better results. You're not giving Pittman any money. He's not the one calling plays.
To me, that has a more likely impact to us winning games than just hiring a new staff.
Can someone tell me why FSU was in the playoffs last year and is 2-10 this year?
Same staff. Same coaching. Completely different results.
Trying too hard now
Not really. Think if those 2 years were flipped.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 09:56 AMCan someone tell me why FSU was in the playoffs last year and is 2-10 this year?
Same staff. Same coaching. Completely different results.
Good coaches can have bad years.
Bad coaches can have good years.
Good coaches don't consistently have mediocre to bad years.
Norvell is an average coach. Probably in Pittman's tier. Both better than Morris.
Frank was right, except now we're about 13th in potenshul.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 09:52 AMWe have to get better talent. We have good coaches calling plays. I've heard 1 person say Petrino is washed yet we had a top 10 offense. We have players running open our QB doesn't see. The plays are there. Spend the money to get Dillon Gabriel instead of Taylen Green. You don't think that would've made an immediate difference?
I said to throw money at NIL to get Petrino/Williams better talent and we should see better results. You're not giving Pittman any money. He's not the one calling plays.
To me, that has a more likely impact to us winning games than just hiring a new staff.
In their hearts they know you are right. Our brokeass fanbase is a bigger problem than the coaching staff.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 09:52 AMWe have to get better talent. We have good coaches calling plays. I've heard 1 person say Petrino is washed yet we had a top 10 offense. We have players running open our QB doesn't see. The plays are there. Spend the money to get Dillon Gabriel instead of Taylen Green. You don't think that would've made an immediate difference?
I said to throw money at NIL to get Petrino/Williams better talent and we should see better results. You're not giving Pittman any money. He's not the one calling plays.
To me, that has a more likely impact to us winning games than just hiring a new staff.
Pittman sets the culture. Or is supposed to set it.
You aren't wrong that we need more money. But you aren't realistic in thinking people are going to give more to the current staff given the displeasure with how things are going. There's also the fact that we aren't coming close to maximizing the resources we already have.
Sam's primary job should be selling the program...more to the point, selling his vision of the future of the program and how he plans to get there. If he has a good plan, people would likely contribute.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 10:26 AMGood coaches can have bad years.
Bad coaches can have good years.
Good coaches don't consistently have mediocre to bad years.
Norvell is an average coach. Probably in Pittman's tier. Both better than Morris.
We are a mediocre program. You're gonna have constant mediocre years by doing things the same way.
Many on here would've cut off their left testicle to hire Norvell over Pittman. The board sentiment was that we missed out on Norvell. We KNEW he was the answer. Same one's saying our next coach is gonna get us to 10 wins yet the one coach thet did is holding a play card on the sideline.
Maybe CU is a better example. Sucked last year with the only P4 Oline that was worse than ours. Invested in NIL heavily. Improved thier Oline and win 10 games this year. Same coaches calling the same plays. Is someone gonna tell me that Neon Deion is a meticulous coach that watches film 24/7 and teaches ball security like no other? GTFOH
We had people on here saying they would burn Hog apparel if we hired Deion. What's that sentiment mow? BTW, ain't no way Deion would leave to take our job. Think about that. Deion Sanders at CU is in a better place than our program.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 01, 2024, 10:29 AMIn their hearts they know you are right. Our brokeass fanbase is a bigger problem than the coaching staff.
I don't see how it isn't evident. Yes, we can hire a better coach than SP but you are gonna have to do far more than than to win big here. We have the play callers right now that can win here in spite of SP if they had better talent to work with.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 10:54 AMWe are a mediocre program. You're gonna have constant mediocre years by doing things the same way.
Many on here would've cut off their left testicle to hire Norvell over Pittman. The board sentiment was that we missed out on Norvell. We KNEW he was the answer. Same one's saying our next coach is gonna get us to 10 wins yet the one coach thet did is holding a play card on the sideline.
Maybe CU is a better example. Sucked last year with the only P4 Oline that was worse than ours. Invested in NIL heavily. Improved thier Oline and win 10 games this year. Same coaches calling the same plays. Is someone gonna tell me that Neon Deion is a meticulous coach that watches film 24/7 and teaches ball security like no other? GTFOH
We had people on here saying they would burn Hog apparel if we hired Deion. What's that sentiment mow? BTW, ain't no way Deion would leave to take our job. Think about that. Deion Sanders at CU is in a better place than our program.
I bet Deion would take our job in a heartbeat. He'd want to see if he could replicate his success in the SEC.
Like I said above, when most of us say "coaching" we are talking about the whole package...strategy, film study, etc are just part of it. Recruiting (HS and portal) are part of it as well. Sam isn't good at any of it best I can tell. The only part he mostly gets right is hiring good staff and getting out of their way. That hasn't been enough. Throwing more money at it isn't going to magically fix anything.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 10:57 AMI don't see how it isn't evident. Yes, we can hire a better coach than SP but you are gonna have to do far more than than to win big here. We have the play callers right now that can win here in spite of SP if they had better talent to work with.
What you seem to be missing is that you can't have one (the extra money to bring in the talent) without the other (hiring the better coach).
Colin Cowherd used to talk about the importance of a head coach. He said, and I think he is right, that a head coach makes half a dozen or so decisions a week separate and apart from those he might make on the field that impact the success of a program. Some of those decisions end up being far more impactful than any made on the field.
I don't see Sam having the intelligence or the drive to handle all that and indeed, the program seems completely rudderless and leaderless. It's adrift. There seems to be no plan beyond, "You peons need to give money money."
Ole Miss seems to be the most relevant comparison. Similar program, small state, limited resources relative to blue bloods, etc.
When they were going at or below .500 every year with a career OL coach who was a good guy with decent staff, they didn't just throw money at him to get better players. Their power structure correctly assessed that Luke wasn't doing what he could with what he had, and brought in someone they thought would do better. It wasn't without risk...Kiffin had failed at a powerhouse before. There was no guarantee lane would be any better.
Even when they got Kiffin, they didn't shell out huge sums for players right away. He had to prove himself and his program worthy of investment. Once he showed he could win a little with normal talent, they ponied up and elevated themselves out of the mediocrity trap.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 09:31 PMNIL does not guarantee anything.
How does a program with the most expensive roster in college football (reportedly $20 million in NIL money) lose to a five-loss Michigan team that looked inept most of the season?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/is-ryan-day-on-the-hot-seat-maybe-not-but-angst-will-only-grow-as-ohio-states-pricey-roster-falls-flat/
Clearly it was their coordinators fault.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2024, 10:11 PMDoes everyone agree we have significant disadvantages in recruiting? (especially HS)
It's also well known that we have one of the poorest NIL collectives in the SEC.
Given those 2 things, if you agree with them, what are your expectations?
To me, given those 2 things we are a 6-9 win program tops. I don't care who your head coach is. You are not gonna compete at an elite level unless you can match the talent of your opponent every week.
After 32 years in the SEC we are a 6 win program. That's reality. That is not gonna change until something DRASTICALLY changes.
I agree with all of this except that it absolutely matters who the coach is. Your points about NIL/talent are valid but it doesn't mean shit with out a good to great head coach, not just coordinators.
Deion wouldn't even answer our call unless you pay more in NIL than CU does Who is ready to open up their pockets for Coach Prime? No one. We're cheap.
Look, you guys are convinced SP needs to go and I agree he's not a game changer. I do believe the guy calling plays is and can overcompensate for SP's shortcomings.
I just hope if we do make a change you guys open up your pocketbooks and contribute to NIL. Otherwise, we're gonna get the same results.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Nov 30, 2024, 10:31 PMI think if there is no better plan in the works (spoiler alert: we are Arkansas, and there is not) you have to get rid of Sam and promote Bobby to HC. Assuming he wants it and that it can be legally done. There's been so much nonsense about that I don't know who to believe, but if they want to, I'm sure there is a way to work around it.
Bobby will bring discipline if he is in charge. If a player keeps fumbling, their ass will be on the bench. If Green is not better than Singleton or KJ Jackson during spring ball and fall camp, fuck Fletcher's money, Bobby won't play favorites. Players will finally fear the head coach again and that is what we need right now.
He is not washed yet. Hell, we are 4th in the fucking nation in total YPG among P4 schools. With THIS offensive line and THESE players. If you don't see the players we have running wide open and still just completely miss it because of an R-word quarterback, I can't help you. And who knows where we'd be without missing those big plays...much less leading the fucking nation in fumbles?
Rhetorical, I guess...9-3 or better.
Yes, he was blessed with an incredible class coming out of Arkansas high schools in 2008. That's not happening this year. But he always had a gift here for finding rare gems in 3-star talent elsewhere due to a lot of things (measurables, comparing players vs the level of talent they were playing in HS, some other shit, things of that nature) he would explain during those old "Signing Day in the Rock" deals they held. And the portal is a whole new world for him finding those types of guys among G5 schools and maybe a couple of other kids like Drew Sanders or Sorey that are good and just want to get playing time. That wasn't a thing when he was back at Louisville.
Spend the majority of NIL money on the line on both sides of the ball and let BP find us some skill positions.
Next year is going to be tough for anyone. Saban or Urban Meyer could show up tomorrow and we would still struggle to get bowl eligible with next year's schedule.
ANY consistency (as much or as little as that means in the current landscape of CFB) would go a Long way. Hiring Odom and him keeping Bobby on would help some with that, but I'm not sure that excites anyone or increases NIL or enhances recruiting/portaling.
It was a play by the PTB to band-aid the apathy that was there last year by hiring Bobby as OC. I am unsure that there is a better move on the table right now than for them to do the same by making him HC this year.
I hope there is but this is all I gots. Next year's coaching carousel is going to be brutal, and we'll be nobody's darling after our 2025 schedule.
That was a helluva post. I think hiring BP would also increase NIL donations simply because he would garner excitement from those who remember the glory days. The problem is that I think BP really doesn't want to do it again.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 01, 2024, 11:18 AMI agree with all of this except that it absolutely matters who the coach is. Your points about NIL/talent are valid but it doesn't mean shit with out a good to great head coach, not just coordinators.
I'm not gonna say it doesn't matter but I think if your coach is a figurehead (like SP) it doesn't matter as much as it used to. Players spend 90% of their time with coordinators and coaches are less impactful in recruiting with NIL.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 11:24 AMDeion wouldn't even answer our call unless you pay more in NIL than CU does Who is ready to open up their pockets for Coach Prime? No one. We're cheap.
Look, you guys are convinced SP needs to go and I agree he's not a game changer. I do believe the guy calling plays is and can overcompensate for SP's shortcomings.
I just hope if we do make a change you guys open up your pocketbooks and contribute to NIL. Otherwise, we're gonna get the same results.
Just because our wealthiest boosters won't give more to Sam doesn't mean that they wouldn't give more to a better coach. You keep stating as fact that we won't pay more when history in other sports shows we absolutely will.
I suspect a good bit of Prime's NIL comes from national sources that would follow him wherever he went. He was getting NIL deals for his kids at Jackson State for God's sakes.
So you would want him as our coach?
Better yet, going back to my question earlier that no one answered, who is everyone's pick for a replacement and how is he gonna make us better?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 11:01 AMWhat you seem to be missing is that you can't have one (the extra money to bring in the talent) without the other (hiring the better coach).
What if we launched a social media campaign explaining that no actually SP doesn't really suck...just the cheap ass fans.
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2024, 11:41 AMWhat if we launched a social media campaign explaining that no actually SP doesn't really suck...just the cheap ass fans.
At this point they could just copy/paste Barton's posts. It wouldn't help anything, but he's simping so hard it would make Chuck Barrett blush.
Of course, elite football teams require excellent coaching and a deep roster of excellent athletes--particularly at the skill positions but even a mediocre coaching staff and 3 star athletes at skill positions can have decent, 8+ wins/year teams as long as they have excellent linemen.
If I was King of the Razorbacks, I would do whatever it took to secure 2-deep SEC/NFL athletes on both sides of the line. Lean on/blackmail big money boosters to sell that second vacation home, private jet or third Mercedes. Sell a kidney, raffle tickets, Girl Scout cookies or meth. Hell, sell Girl Scouts; just do whatever it takes to buy an O-line that can consistently open holes and protect the QB without a plethora of procedure/holding penalties and a D-line that can stop the run and make QB's moan when the helmet calls a pass play.
Do that consistently and the elite skill players will come. Throw in a competent coaching staff at some point and you just might have a championship team if Lady Luck favors you.
But start with the linemen.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 11:29 AMSo you would want him as our coach?
Better yet, going back to my question earlier that no one answered, who is everyone's pick for a replacement and how is he gonna make us better?
I'd take Deion over Sam. At least there's some passion there. And there are plenty of others I'd take over Sam for the reason. I want a coach who does more than go through the motions. One who holds players accountable for their mistakes - fix the issue or ride pine, no matter who it is. I want a coach who doesn't openly on national TV bemoan the fact we have Blue Light Special players when he's the guy responsible for getting better.
None of us have the time or access to conduct a search to find the right guy so it's really not possible to answer. But they're out there. How did Indiana identify Cignetti?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 09:56 AMCan someone tell me why FSU was in the playoffs last year and is 2-10 this year?
Same staff. Same coaching. Completely different results.
Yes. They spent a bunch of money again but made horrible evaluations. Goes back to that whole coaching thing.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 01, 2024, 11:43 AMAt this point they could just copy/paste Barton's posts. It wouldn't help anything, but he's simping so hard it would make Chuck Barrett blush.
You're obviously right it won't do anything.
Again, for uptenth time I'm not saying SP is a great HC. I'm saying we could very easily win more games than we are if BP and TWill were given better talent. No one has even attempted to argue that.
Hate for SP > winning more games
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 01, 2024, 11:55 AMYes. They spent a bunch of money again but made horrible evaluations. Goes back to that whole coaching thing.
So they won more games because they had better players. Thx for agreeing with me.
Sam is a loser. Sam will not allow Bobby to resurrect BMFP for fear of hurt feelings. Sam needs to go. The administration is happy blaming fans instead of themselves. They need to go too. Jerry Jones has no fucking clue how to hire a good coach, so he should be left out of the next discussion. His money doesn't do shit for us.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 11:13 AMOle Miss seems to be the most relevant comparison. Similar program, small state, limited resources relative to blue bloods, etc.
When they were going at or below .500 every year with a career OL coach who was a good guy with decent staff, they didn't just throw money at him to get better players. Their power structure correctly assessed that Luke wasn't doing what he could with what he had, and brought in someone they thought would do better. It wasn't without risk...Kiffin had failed at a powerhouse before. There was no guarantee lane would be any better.
Even when they got Kiffin, they didn't shell out huge sums for players right away. He had to prove himself and his program worthy of investment. Once he showed he could win a little with normal talent, they ponied up and elevated themselves out of the mediocrity trap.
Ole Miss and Arkansas are similar with one HUGE exception. Mississippi has more than twice the number of HS football players than Arkansas and turns out FBS signees at a much higher rate than Arkansas does. (They split it among State, and Southern Miss but also border very productive states).
I went down to #30 on this list to show Missouri. They are getting it done with less.
STATES RANKED BY PERCENTAGE OF FBS SIGNEES[th]State[/th]
[th]FBS Signees[/th]
[th]Players[/th]
[th]Ratio[/th]
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| 1. Florida | 389 | 40,606 | 1 in 104 |
| 2. Georgia | 248 | 32,979 | 1 in 133 |
| 3. Louisiana | 132 | 20,087 | 1 in 152 |
| 4. Hawaii | 22 | 4,258 | 1 in 194 |
| 5. Utah | 35 | 8,638 | 1 in 247 |
| 6. Alabama | 89 | 22,841 | 1 in 257 |
| 7. Mississippi | 83 | 22,300 | 1 in 269 |
| 8. Maryland/D.C. | 55 | 15,662 | 1 in 285 |
| 9. Ohio | 135 | 44,431 | 1 in 329 |
| 1o. Tennessee | 67 | 23,003 | 1 in 343 |
| 11. California | 289 | 103,474 | 1 in 358 |
| 12. Texas | 459 | 164,554 | 1 in 359 |
| 13. Virginia | 68 | 24,954 | 1 in 367 |
| 14. Arkansas | 29 | 10,977 | 1 in 379 |
| 15. Oklahoma | 37 | 14,615 | 1 in 395 |
| 16. South Carolina | 49 | 19,543 | 1 in 399 |
| 17. Pennsylvania | 64 | 26,100 | 1 in 408 |
| 18. New Jersey | 64 | 26,138 | 1 in 408 |
| 19. North Carolina | 83 | 36,273 | 1 in 437 |
| 20. Kansas | 30 | 13,959 | 1 in 465 |
| 21. Indiana | 43 | 21,760 | 1 in 506 |
| 22. Arizona | 39 | 20,019 | 1 in 513 |
| 23. Michigan | 77 | 39,963 | 1 in 519 |
| 24. Nevada | 12 | 6,580 | 1 in 548 |
| 25. Connecticut | 18 | 10,158 | 1 in 564 |
| 26. Kentucky | 23 | 13,788 | 1 in 599 |
| 27. Delaware | 5 | 3,019 | 1 in 604 |
| 28. Illinois | 74 | 47,068 | 1 in 636 |
| 29. Colorado | 20 | 15,357 | 1 in 768 |
| 30. Missouri | 29 | 23,257 | 1 in 802 |
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Can someone please post a fucking recipe so I can be distracted?
Missouri is paying more in NIL. They out paid us for Crutchfield last year. They also passed a law that if a kid commits to Mizzou they can profit from NIL in HS.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 11:59 AMSo they won more games because they had better players. Thx for agreeing with me.
And thank you for agreeing that simply throwing more money around doesn't guarantee results. Funny how that works.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 11:13 AMTheir power structure correctly assessed that Luke wasn't doing what he could with what he had, and brought in someone they thought would do better. It wasn't without risk...Kiffin had failed at a powerhouse before. There was no guarantee lane would be any better.
The bold part is exactly why Sam will never pull the coin on NIL.
As to who we should hire, I think it's like the old Supreme Court ruling about porn: "We'll know it when we see it.". On the range between "wow, that's a home run hire!" and "what the hell is he thinking". I think it's likely we'd get someone who we collectively think "well, I didn't have that one on my bingo card, but let's give it a shot".
Taking a slightly different tac, shouldn't Yurachek have a a list of people to call in case he needs a coach? Hell, maybe he does. I'd sure like to see him knock the dust off of it.
Neither does hiring a new coach. Like TWB said nothing is guaranteed.
If you don't want to spend money then don't complain when we're 15th in the SEC in recruiting and we're poking portal players from D2 and lower D1.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:16 PMNeither does hiring a new coach. Like TWB said nothing is guaranteed.
If you don't want to spend money then don't complain when we're 15th in the SEC in recruiting and we're poking portal players from D2 and lower D1.
I want to spend money. First on a competent coach, and then on players.
Well, call me when we have a competent coach. We've had one in my lifetine and he had to beg for the job and just so happens to be on our sideline today.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:16 PMNeither does hiring a new coach. Like TWB said nothing is guaranteed.
If you don't want to spend money then don't complain when we're 15th in the SEC in recruiting and we're poking portal players from D2 and lower D1.
Dude, I'm not disagreeing with you. You act like the entire fanbase is dismissive of the need for NIL but you seem completely dismissive of needing a good coach. Like all we need is coordinators. That's crazy to me.
Both things can be true. We need more funding AND we need a better coach. It's chicken and the egg. I tend to agree with Dirk and others that the money simply isn't coming in for the status quo. We need to try again, but as you said, nothing guarantees success. I just don't like the attitude of not even trying.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:16 PMNeither does hiring a new coach. Like TWB said nothing is guaranteed.
If you don't want to spend money then don't complain when we're 15th in the SEC in recruiting and we're poking portal players from D2 and lower D1.
No, there are some things that are guaranteed. It's guaranteed that Sam is a loser and anyone giving money this program with him in charge may as well set it on fire.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:20 PMWell, call me when we have a competent coach. We've had one in my lifetine and he had to beg for the job and just so happens to be on our sideline today.
Also 100% true. We're a fucking jinxed program.
When the powers that be at Arkansas realize that spending more money on players than coaches is the way to win, then things will change.
And YES, start on the offensive and defensive lines. RBs and WRs are a dime a dozen.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:20 PMWell, call me when we have a competent coach. We've had one in my lifetine and he had to beg for the job and just so happens to be on our sideline today.
The fact that we have made bad hires in the past does not mean we should stop trying to hire better ones.
We have to be smarter, and not do the equivalent of a coach recruiting simply off Rivals ratings.
Bielema was a great hire on paper. His system wasn't one that lent itself to winning in this league, and he relied heavily on the snowbound equivalent of JFB as a shadow coach.
Morris had one redeemable quality (Texas recruiting ties) that our PTB let obscure or excuse his horrible record at SMU.
Pittman was a bit of a panic hire once Lane and Sexton fucked us. He's been better than he should've been, but hit his ceiling fairly quickly.
We need to avoid one-hit wonders. No guys whose entire resume is coordinating for a legend like Saban at a place where it's easy to win, although experience as a SEC assistant is a plus. Focus on people with an actual plan that fits our situation and works with our challenges. Don't be afraid of someone from a lower level if he won big there and fits the other criteria. Lean towards the hungry 40 year old over the well-fed 60 year old, ceteris paribus. And while Arkansas ties shouldn't disqualify someone, they shouldn't be considered bonus points either.
Not sure those stats really tell the whole story though...
It can also be argued that just because a kid is signed by an "FBS" team in today's world that could be anything from Arkansas to UCA to ASU to UAPB. I'd wager Arkansas' stats in this area are impacted by this. Conversely look at Missouri...I think they got Missouri and Missouri State and I'm not even sure Missouri State is an FBS school I think they were that lower level when Bobby coached there...a lot of the others I believe are basically basketball schools. I'm probably not thinking of somebody. Warrensburg (Central Missouri State) is basically Henderson North. SEMO maybe? The KC area has UMKC and a bunch of community colleges. Saint Louis has a few basketball schools and little else. Northern Missouri has a lot of farm land and Amish people that have never heard of football.
We back in olden times when I went to high school in Missouri the rassling was more appealing to those people than football.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 01, 2024, 12:23 PMAlso 100% true. We're a fucking jinxed program.
It sure as hell seems that way
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 01, 2024, 12:30 PMWhen the powers that be at Arkansas realize that spending more money on players than coaches is the way to win, then things will change.
And YES, start on the offensive and defensive lines. RBs and WRs are a dime a dozen.
Me and mde114 against Woopig groupthink! A daunting challenge!
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 12:32 PMThe fact that we have made bad hires in the past does not mean we should stop trying to hire better ones.
Completely agree but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try something new that has yielded success at other schools. The "I'm not gonna give my money till we fire the coach I dont want" is only pushing us further behind.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2024, 12:22 PMNo, there are some things that are guaranteed. It's guaranteed that Sam is a loser and anyone giving money this program with him in charge may as well set it on fire.
Chirp away big guy....
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:39 PMChirp away big guy....
Sam is a fat loser. Absolute fact.
If I heard Vickery right in 2026 programs will be able to pay players thru the athletic dept. I haven't heard that anywhere else. I know some of that legal bullshit is gonna be resolved by then. To me reading the tea leafs and literally HY's statement he put out...their plan is to kick the can down the road and get right financially before making big moves. Now of course he's gonna spin like "We really love Pitt and his six win ceiling!!! GO HOGS!" Please send money.
I like Sam and I think a lot of people do but a lot of us can like somebody and also be objective enough to realize this dude is not going to do anything as head coach. Keeping somebody because "we've had worse" is no way to run a business. Maybe if he gets his health right he'll be a bit more high energy and whatever. I'm willing to let this ride for another season provided we do have staff continuity and that roughly translates to player development and getting more better guys. Armstrong's replacement is not on this roster. I think we can probably go down a list and say the same things so there's going to be some major needs coming in from the portal.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 12:48 PMChirp chirp...
I'm not chirping. I'm telling you Sam is a fat loser. He is done. He can come back next year and we won't win more than five games and we'll be one year further down the shit hole and we'll have one more year of more apologist losers telling us it's our fault and we can't expect to do any better.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2024, 12:51 PMI'm not chirping. I'm telling you Sam is a fat loser. He is done. He can come back next year and we won't win more than five games and we'll be one year further down the shit hole and we'll have one more year of more apologist losers telling us it's our fault and we can't expect to do any better.
We aren't true hog fans either. That one gets hauled out on the face space a lot.
Right now we have a frustrated fanbase. We are performing at the same level for over 30 years. Everyone thinks they have the answer. Obviously myself included. I just hope the university and fanbase at some point can come together to put the best product on the field. That goes for players, coaches, DJ's, etc.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Dec 01, 2024, 12:55 PMWe aren't true hog fans either. That one gets hauled out on the face space a lot.
Those people can fuck themselves. They were the ones gladly watching Bobby pack and leave.
Coaching doesn't matter. Even Ed O won because he had talent!
Someone show me Sam Pittman with this energy.
Yeah, that's why LSU won. Same guy that said "what time do you want me to leave and what door do I walk out of"? LSU fell off when Brady left.
What about Chizik, Dabo? Hell, even Malzahn sniffed a title. Dabo is the only one that sustained success but even he's taken a step back since BV left. He better adapt to the portal or he will follow the others.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Dec 01, 2024, 12:17 PMI want to spend money. First on a competent coach, and then on players.
Thank You!
Yeah, what about coaches that won National Championships? You keep acting like the ONLY edge they had over the fat fuck we employ is better talent.
Keep shitting in one hand, shitting in the other, and then slapping your face like the Home Alone kid. Meanwhile we'll keep trying to figure out how you think anyone is going to pony up more money for a known loser.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 01:41 PMYeah, that's why LSU won. Same guy that said "what time do you want me to leave and what door do I walk out of"? LSU fell off when Brady left.
What about Chizik, Dabo? Hell, even Malzahn sniffed a title. Dabo is the only one that sustained success but even he's taken a step back since BV left. He better adapt to the portal or he will follow the others.
Ed O had the number 1 overall pick and two of the top five WRs in the NFL right now. Chizik had a future NFL MVP. Those guys needed generational players to win big. Do we really think we're capable of landing guys like that with Pittman running the show? Even with a large uptick in NIL money I don't think so.
I still think (maybe I'm stupidly optimistic) that we could land some NFL-caliber skill players if we have coaches capable of preparing them for that. Any WR that buys into Petrino is ready to run the routes. Any QB whose brain functions well enough to understand coverages and route trees has a chance.
With Pittman I had hoped that we'd have that production at least on the O-Line, maybe even the D-Line. But we don't... not even a concept of a plan for how to build that kind of line.
Then how do you compete against the teams that are loaded with NFL talent with a team that has 1 guy that might get drafted (Armstrong)? By doing what, out scheming them? We have a top 5 OC on staff.
I'll ask again, if we had spent more money on Oline talent and brought in a QB like Gabriel over Green, what would our record be? We likely run the ball even better. Give up less sacks. Better protection for a QB that makes far less mistakes. For a team that clearly lost 3 games due to turnovers.
What coaches (HC/OC/DC) do you bring in that give you a better chance of winning 3 more games and why?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 01, 2024, 02:39 PMWith Pittman I had hoped that we'd have that production at least on the O-Line, maybe even the D-Line. But we don't... not even a concept of a plan for how to build that kind of line.
150% agree with you here. It can be fixed with talent but this has been Pittman's biggest disappointment. I think BP did a helluva job to have a top 10 offense behind our Oline.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 01, 2024, 11:45 AMOf course, elite football teams require excellent coaching and a deep roster of excellent athletes--particularly at the skill positions but even a mediocre coaching staff and 3 star athletes at skill positions can have decent, 8+ wins/year teams as long as they have excellent linemen.
If I was King of the Razorbacks, I would do whatever it took to secure 2-deep SEC/NFL athletes on both sides of the line. Lean on/blackmail big money boosters to sell that second vacation home, private jet or third Mercedes. Sell a kidney, raffle tickets, Girl Scout cookies or meth. Hell, sell Girl Scouts; just do whatever it takes to buy an O-line that can consistently open holes and protect the QB without a plethora of procedure/holding penalties and a D-line that can stop the run and make QB's moan when the helmet calls a pass play.
Do that consistently and the elite skill players will come. Throw in a competent coaching staff at some point and you just might have a championship team if Lady Luck favors you.
But start with the linemen.
Well said,
The most confounding part is one would think a guy who made his name as an o-line coach/guru would make that group a priority as a head coach and it would be a or the strength of his teams.
Yet, here we are.
The two constants of the Pittman era have been Sam and his guy fountain - yet the two biggest areas needing improvement- offensive line and special teams.
I saw a post about a 20 million dollar NIL budget. I know that's really high, but on an average scale, what do players get by position?
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 01, 2024, 03:31 PMI saw a post about a 20 million dollar NIL budget. I know that's really high, but on an average scale, what do players get by position?
Great question. I'm guessing QB (Underwood kid supposedly getting $12M from Michigan), Oline, Dline, and DBs get most. Not sure the estimated amount for each. In no way shape or form do I believe 1 college player is worth $12M.
I did find this.
https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/college/football/ (https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/college/football/)
12M is beyond insane.
https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/charlotte-49ers/article296394969.html
BMFP listed as a finalist for the Charlotte HC job.
@Barton Fink if Bobby leaves does that change your stance on keeping Sam for another year? Your idea of continuity and getting better players for Petrino has merit. But if we have to hire a new OC, change systems, etc wouldn't it make more sense to start over with a new HC as well?
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 01, 2024, 04:01 PM12M is beyond insane.
yeah but is there free bbq?
I saw an article where Brock Purdy was getting less than the average per year for NIL money amongst SEC QBs (which was $1 mil).
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Dec 01, 2024, 04:03 PMI saw an article where Brock Purdy was getting less than the average per year for NIL money amongst SEC QBs (which was $1 mil).
weird situation because the rookie contract of the 262nd pick is never worth much.
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 01, 2024, 04:01 PM12M is beyond insane.
We could give a 5 star QB a gazillion dollars and he'd get a knee by getting rolled up by a walk-on right before the season.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 01, 2024, 04:08 PMweird situation because the rookie contract of the 262nd pick is never worth much.
Exactly, but shows the risk you take if you don't go in the early rounds. Makes it worth it to come back and shop around if not an early rounder.
But just bizarre to think about.
Of course he's going to get paid.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 04:02 PMhttps://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/charlotte-49ers/article296394969.html
BMFP listed as a finalist for the Charlotte HC job.
@Barton Fink if Bobby leaves does that change your stance on keeping Sam for another year? Your idea of continuity and getting better players for Petrino has merit. But if we have to hire a new OC, change systems, etc wouldn't it make more sense to start over with a new HC as well?
Absolutely, I think Pittman's standing water is BP and William's. Have to see who he'd replace him with but it's likely a downgrade.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 04:19 PMAbsolutely, I think Pittman's standing water is BP and William's. Have to see who he'd replace him with but it's likely a downgrade.
Honestly if Bobby left and we didn't ease Sam out the door, I might suggest we go back after Kendal Briles. Would probably try for Buster Faulkner from GT first, but think that's a long shot for a lateral move.
KB has a good track record with semi-retarded QBs.
If BP goes to Charlotte I'd bet he's taking a few guys with him from Arkansas. That's probably just some shit being floated by some guy in his mom's basement anyways.
Is there a way to merge from approximately page 32 of this thread into the "Razorback Football" thread? It hasn't been about Mizzou since then.
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2024, 04:31 PMIf BP goes to Charlotte I'd bet he's taking a few guys with him from Arkansas. That's probably just some shit being floated by some guy in his mom's basement anyways.
Could very well see him follow the Odom model and be pretty successful. Still a bit surprised he wants to be HC at a non P4 program.
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2024, 04:31 PMIf BP goes to Charlotte I'd bet he's taking a few guys with him from Arkansas. That's probably just some shit being floated by some guy in his mom's basement anyways.
The link I posted was from the Charlotte newspaper. Could still be a basement dweller, but at least it's one with a byline.
Jim Chaney going to be the OC if Petrino leaves.
Is he still coaching??
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 01, 2024, 05:18 PMJim Chaney going to be the OC if Petrino leaves.
That will be the only one he'll be able to hire.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2024, 05:20 PMIs he still coaching??
oc for georgia st. and looking even bigger than when he was on the hill. hell, he looks like a hill.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 01, 2024, 05:24 PMoc for georgia st. and looking even bigger than when he was on the hill. hell, he looks like a hill.
Mantits 3&4?
We'll have to put in a new press box elevator.
That would be the icing on top of the shit sandwich if BP leaves after one season as OC. I don't think that's a very good sign for our future if BP is trying to bail after one season back. I'm somewhat in the same camp as Barton. I don't mind the continuity with Petrino to see what he can do next year.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2024, 05:40 PMWe'll have to put in a new press box elevator.
And won't be able to put snacks in there. They'll be gone as soon as they're put out.
The crazy thing is we've had 2 far worse OC's since he left. Joey "who?" Craddock and the ghost of Dan Enos. Hard to get 2 worse than Chaney but we did it.
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 01, 2024, 05:44 PMAnd won't be able to put snacks in there. They'll be gone as soon as they're put out.
We've run out of Ice Cream and orange slices.. Sorry kids...
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 01, 2024, 05:43 PMThat would be the icing on top of the shit sandwich if BP leaves after one season as OC. I don't think that's a very good sign for our future if BP is trying to bail after one season back. I'm somewhat in the same camp as Barton. I don't mind the continuity with Petrino to see what he can do next year.
I think it will be funny as shit. Arkansas fans and administrators seem to think the world will stop turning while whatever little plans they have in their heads to justify the stupid shit they want to do unwind.
It is entirely foreseeable that neither coordinator, nor any coach with options is going to stick around for this shit show if Sam is back another year.
Sam's ego probably doesn't like Bobby around, but both Sam and Yuri know they are fucked if Bobby leaves. To the tune of a half-empty stadium next year and a decrease in NIL.
I believed Bobby when he said he was fine just being an OC last year. But I can also see how a year under "aw shucks" and a lazy approach under Sam pissed him off enough to want complete control again. Whether it be here or elsewhere. Hopefully here.
Maybe he is making a power move. The fanbase overwhelmingly supports him more than they do Sam and it has been clear to everyone over the course of this year. He knows.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 01, 2024, 06:24 PMSam's ego probably doesn't like Bobby around, but both Sam and Yuri know they are fucked if Bobby leaves. To the tune of a half-empty stadium next year and a decrease in NIL.
I believed Bobby when he said he was fine just being an OC last year. But I can also see how a year under "aw shucks" and a lazy approach under Sam pissed him off enough to want complete control again. Whether it be here or elsewhere. Hopefully here.
Maybe he is making a power move. The fanbase overwhelmingly supports him more than they do Sam and it has been clear to everyone over the course of this year. He knows.
I could see Petrino viewing this as an 8-4 team or better, but with a huge leadership deficiency.
Without Petrino, I show Sam the door as he's wheeled into the OR.
I don't think Petrino is going anywhere. Nothing to back that up, just my opinion.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 01, 2024, 06:24 PMSam's ego probably doesn't like Bobby around, but both Sam and Yuri know they are fucked if Bobby leaves. To the tune of a half-empty stadium next year and a decrease in NIL.
I believed Bobby when he said he was fine just being an OC last year. But I can also see how a year under "aw shucks" and a lazy approach under Sam pissed him off enough to want complete control again. Whether it be here or elsewhere. Hopefully here.
Maybe he is making a power move. The fanbase overwhelmingly supports him more than they do Sam and it has been clear to everyone over the course of this year. He knows.
I could see this being the case.
Arkansas was a top 10 team year in and out with a bigger disadvantage in recruiting than we have now. It wasn't easy getting to Fayetteville either. Since Hatfield we've hired exactly ONE coach that was a good coach/hot commodity. One.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 07:13 PMI could see this being the case.
I've wondered if that would turn out to be the case ever since it was announced that we were bringing Bobby back. Never believed that it was all Sam's idea.
Quote from: RazorB on Dec 01, 2024, 08:22 PMArkansas was a top 10 team year in and out with a bigger disadvantage in recruiting than we have now. It wasn't easy getting to Fayetteville either. Since Hatfield we've hired exactly ONE coach that was a good coach/hot commodity. One.
Yeah, well they're letting black kids play these days.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 01, 2024, 06:24 PMMaybe he is making a power move. The fanbase overwhelmingly supports him more than they do Sam and it has been clear to everyone over the course of this year. He knows.
I think we will find out fairly quickly whether BP has been guarenteed that he is the HC-in-waiting.
His name is going to come up in other HC and OC vacancies besides Charlotte and I don't see him passing up a good offer with Sam almost certainly going to be gone by this time next year unless he has been a$$ured that he will replace Sam.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 01, 2024, 08:31 PMYeah, well they're letting black kids play these days.
We were Top 10 with Holtz and sometimes Hatfield. Arkansas is good to great with good coaches. Mediocre with mediocre coaches. And bad with bad coaches.
Broyles, Holtz, Hatfield, and Petrino were good to great. Nutt was mediocre to borderline good at times. The rest have been bad to mediocre.
Our offense didn't score as much as they should have due to discipline and mistakes. The plays and yardage were there with tons of room for more. Our OFFENSE was good, we just shot ourselves in the dick and a lot of that is mental discipline and toughness and that 100% starts and ends with the head coach. It isn't just gameday decisions, it is how they run practice and the entire tone of the team. If being lazy or sloppy is OK in practice, it is ok in the game and that is how you bumblefuck your way through a year and end up 6-6 when you should have been 8-4 at worst.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2024, 05:49 PMI think it will be funny as shit. Arkansas fans and administrators seem to think the world will stop turning while whatever little plans they have in their heads to justify the stupid shit they want to do unwind.
I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I honestly have no clue what you're getting at here or accusing me of.
If it's obvious that we aren't firing Sam, which it kind of seems to be, the best possible scenario would be BP coming back and getting another year with the offense, assuming everyone doesn't transfer out. That's far from an endorsement of Pittman, just a reality of our situation if he's staying.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 10:52 AMOur offense didn't score as much as they should have due to discipline and mistakes. The plays and yardage were there with tons of room for more. Our OFFENSE was good, we just shot ourselves in the dick and a lot of that is mental discipline and toughness and that 100% starts and ends with the head coach. It isn't just gameday decisions, it is how they run practice and the entire tone of the team. If being lazy or sloppy is OK in practice, it is ok in the game and that is how you bumblefuck your way through a year and end up 6-6 when you should have been 8-4 at worst.
Plenty of offense is good, but could be a lot better in this review.
If you don't want to watch the entire thing, at least get through about the first three minutes.
On that 4th and 7 early in the game, Petrino had designed a formation to essentially hide Hasz in the snow, outside the numbers. He was wide ass open, and it would've been an easy first down. Instead, Green threw the ball over the middle and Sategna got outmuscled for an incomplete pass.
That's been the case a lot this year.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 10:52 AMOur offense didn't score as much as they should have due to discipline and mistakes. The plays and yardage were there with tons of room for more. Our OFFENSE was good, we just shot ourselves in the dick and a lot of that is mental discipline and toughness and that 100% starts and ends with the head coach. It isn't just gameday decisions, it is how they run practice and the entire tone of the team. If being lazy or sloppy is OK in practice, it is ok in the game and that is how you bumblefuck your way through a year and end up 6-6 when you should have been 8-4 at worst.
Maybe I'm naive but I have a hard time believing a Petrino led offense practices lazy and sloppy.
We lost most of our games because players made mistakes. You can't solely blame that on coaching.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 02, 2024, 11:43 AMPlenty of offense is good, but could be a lot better in this review.
If you don't want to watch the entire thing, at least get through about the first three minutes.
On that 4th and 7 early in the game, Petrino had designed a formation to essentially hide Hasz in the snow, outside the numbers. He was wide ass open, and it would've been an easy first down. Instead, Green threw the ball over the middle and Sategna got outmuscled for an incomplete pass.
Oh, I know it could have been a lot better. The playcalling has been outstanding as we have dudes running wide the fuck open all the time and just can't get them the ball. I know that also falls on coaching, but the playcalling has been there. I do wonder if who plays and who doesn't isn't 100% in Petrino's control..
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2024, 11:58 AMWe lost most of our games because players made mistakes. You can't solely blame that on coaching.
The only problem I have with that is it's the same mistakes we've been making for 5 years with completely different players.
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 02, 2024, 12:02 PMThe only problem I have with that is it's the same mistakes we've been making for 5 years with completely different players.
This.
Different players, same mistakes.
First it was guys like Trelon Smith and Warren Thompson. Then it was guys like KJ and Rocket. Now it's Taylon Green, Dubinion and others.
When you have different players making the same mistakes, that's a coaching and accountability culture issue.
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 02, 2024, 12:02 PMThe only problem I have with that is it's the same mistakes we've been making for 5 years with completely different players.
These are the mistakes you see with every single coach that is lazy and doesn't have attention to detail. Since it spans lots of assistants, you can pretty clearly say it starts at the top.
Do you really believe a kid at a P5 does not know how to protect the ball? We see practice clips where they run through pads and do strip drills.
Dubinion is a great example. He's had problems since his freshman year. Do you really think no one has preached to him and worked with him on ball security? Some guys are just more prone to fumbling than others.
If there is any blame on coaching, it would be thet we aren't physical enough in practice and no one knows if that's the case.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2024, 12:16 PMDo you really believe a kid at a P5 does not know how to protect the ball? We see practice clips where they run through pads and do strip drills.
Dubinion is a great example. He's had problems since his freshman year. Do you really think no one has preached to him and worked with him on ball security? Some guys are just more prone to fumbling than others.
If there is any blame on coaching, it would be thet we aren't physical enough in practice and no one knows if that's the case.
Know how you fix it? You run practices HARD and fast and get used to the physical that you will see in the game. Also if you fumble, you are doing stadium stairs until you wish you were dead. Then if it happens again, you never see the field again. That is how you fix it.
That would take discipline and attention to detail coming from the top with real repercussions for failure to do your JOB. That comes from the top and isn't "Oh Gosh". We don't have a head coach that demands excellence. We don't and it shows.
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 02, 2024, 11:11 AMI know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I honestly have no clue what you're getting at here or accusing me of.
If it's obvious that we aren't firing Sam, which it kind of seems to be, the best possible scenario would be BP coming back and getting another year with the offense, assuming everyone doesn't transfer out. That's far from an endorsement of Pittman, just a reality of our situation if he's staying.
We're gonna lose one or both coordinators. Entirely predictable. So the only possible justification for keeping Tit Boss is gone. People and events don't just sit back and wait for plans to unfold. They have their own plans and reactions.
So, next year we are likely to have a six year coach with a losing record on his 4th OC and maybe third DC in six years. And after another year of futility and possibly going back to Chad Morris type success, we'll be looking for a coach along with a whole shit load of other programs.
If my kid wasn't up there, I probably wouldn't ever go to another game. I just can't handle this sort of acceptance of being worse than mediocre.
Not necessarily saying you're wrong about it also being a player issue, but I think you got it when referring to practices. Petrino was pretty notorious for having brutal practices where mistakes just weren't tolerated. I don't think Sam high fives after mistakes, but he comes across as way more of a "hey, don't worry about it, you'll get it next time" type of coach. I could be wrong, but he's always been a players coach who loves his kids. He's not perfectionist.
I fail to realize how many times one must be told to secure the ball and how to secure the ball. It's a 10 minute discussion. Then you go through the drills every team does every week to practice it. If someone at practice fumbles, I promise you a coach jumps his ass about it.
Our OC is Petrino. He's responsible for the offense. Do you think he's like "Well kid you shouldn't have lost the ball, Can you please try a little harder next time?". Fuck no
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 02, 2024, 12:02 PMThe only problem I have with that is it's the same mistakes we've been making for 5 years with completely different players.
Agreed completely.
It's a culture problem - either lack of emphasis on fundamentals or lack of accountability for not displaying them
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2024, 12:27 PMI fail to realize how many times one must be told to secure the ball and how to secure the ball. It's a 10 minute discussion. Then you go through the drills every team does every week to practice it. If someone at practice fumbles, I promise you a coach jumps his ass about it.
Our OC is Petrino. He's responsible for the offense. Do you think he's like "Well kid you shouldn't have lost the ball, Can you please try a little harder next time?". Fuck no
I might have some unique insight into this type of situation.
I was an officer in the Navy. You might ask yourself, how the fuck does that align with this?
Well, I'll tell you. Both football players and your typical enlisted Navy dude are both borderline retarded, for the most part. That doesn't mean they aren't good guys, but they typically aren't the smartest. Do you know how you get them do be able to carry out quite detailed and intricate activities, in unison, as a team? You drill the fuck out of them. You drill it and then you drill it some more and then you keep drilling it and any mistake is met with repercussions, real repercussions, and then you drill it some more and so everyone suffers with Petty Officer Third Class fuckface keeps making the same mistake. You demand perfection and hold your Chiefs responsible. These Chiefs know their shit and are awesome. They can mold these guys into a machine. They were once also PO3 Fuckface and will slack off if they are allowed to. That is where you, as a JO, must hold them accountable. Guess what, you, as a JO, were also a HS and College fuckface, so the XO has to hold you accountable. The XO was also a JO fuckface so guess who demands excellence from the XO? The Captain of the ship. It ALL starts from the top and if the CO doesn't demand excellence, a slack attitude will trickle down all the way to PO3 Fuckface and they will skip an inspection or skip a step in a procedure and you end up with a mainspace fire or you run aground on a reef.
Well, I mean, you TOLD them to do it right and had a 10 minute conversation on it... That doesn't work with people like that. You have to drill it into them so there is no other way known to them. There is only the right way and it is mental and muscle memory taking over, not thinking about doing it the right way.
A shit Captain will have a shit ship, regardless of how good everyone else, from the XO down to Seaman Schmuckatelli, were previously.
Sam Pittman isn't a good Captain and runs a lax ship.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 12:43 PMI might have some unique insight into this type of situation.
I was an officer in the Navy. You might ask yourself, how the fuck does that align with this?
Well, I'll tell you. Both football players and your typical enlisted Navy dude are both borderline retarded, for the most part. That doesn't mean they aren't good guys, but they typically aren't the smartest. Do you know how you get them do be able to carry out quite detailed and intricate activities, in unison, as a team? You drill the fuck out of them. You drill it and then you drill it some more and then you keep drilling it and any mistake is met with repercussions, real repercussions, and then you drill it some more and so everyone suffers with Petty Officer Third Class fuckface keeps making the same mistake. You demand perfection and hold your Chiefs responsible. These Chiefs know their shit and are awesome. They can mold these guys into a machine. They were once also PO3 Fuckface and will slack off if they are allowed to. That is where you, as a JO, must hold them accountable. Guess what, you, as a JO, were also a HS and College fuckface, so the XO has to hold you accountable. The XO was also a JO fuckface so guess who demands excellence from the XO? The Captain of the ship. It ALL starts from the top and if the CO doesn't demand excellence, a slack attitude will trickle down all the way to PO3 Fuckface and they will skip an inspection or skip a step in a procedure and you end up with a mainspace fire or you run aground on a reef.
Well, I mean, you TOLD them to do it right and had a 10 minute conversation on it... That doesn't work with people like that. You have to drill it into them so there is no other way known to them. There is only the right way and it is mental and muscle memory taking over, not thinking about doing it the right way.
A shit Captain will have a shit ship, regardless of how good everyone else, from the XO down to Seaman Schmuckatelli, were previously.
Sam Pittman isn't a good Captain and runs a lax ship.
Hooyah.
I agree with all that. I'll add that players/soldiers/sailors always end up despising the soft and lax leader while if not loving, having fond memories of the hard asses. Team building can be as much about banding together against some hard assed coach or section chief as it is against other teams or enemies.
They won't admit it, but Sam is held in contempt by those players who have been there more than a year and I'll bet the atmosphere is awful. Players coaches always end thusly.
Ball security is a like a lot of things...it should be as natural as breathing out on the field. I haven't played a down of football in damn near 30 years and still if someone hands me an item I'm taking that bitch like a football all proper like tucking in and securing. I played a lot of fullback and I-back in a triple option so a lot of that stuff just stays with you. I know about mesh points and all that shit.
I think I said this in another thread but fumbles are either from being less physical than the other guy...or a freak helmet on the ball or just flat out going brain dead or in some cases the QB/RB exchange or something to do with the center/QB exchange. That's about the gist of it. From what I've seen and this goes back further than Pittman probably as far back as Smile we tend to fumble balls out of laziness or being too aggressive fighting for extra yardage but still yet being stupid with the ball.
Coaches can't put their foot up a kids ass like they used to could so I think that's one reason we don't have this problem licked.
Interceptions when you are working in a passing offense with players that frankly aren't terribly bright is gonna happen. We knew there would be a learning curve. We knew this Green kid had a ton of potential but just wasn't getting it done consistently and that's why Boise State moved on. Well after 12 games or whatever I think we've seen the guy improve some but maybe not as much as we would like. We see the throws are there. A lot of those throws if he's making them we're not talking about him coming back at all...he'd be going to the NFL. That's the difference in the SEC from being a mediocre team and being a so so 8 or 9 win team. With 16 teams in the league now getting to 9 wins isn't anything to sneeze at either. We're legit talking about teams with 3 losses whining that they might not get into the playoffs.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 02, 2024, 11:43 AMPlenty of offense is good, but could be a lot better in this review.
If you don't want to watch the entire thing, at least get through about the first three minutes.
On that 4th and 7 early in the game, Petrino had designed a formation to essentially hide Hasz in the snow, outside the numbers. He was wide ass open, and it would've been an easy first down. Instead, Green threw the ball over the middle and Sategna got outmuscled for an incomplete pass.
Clearly Petrino is "washed up."
That 4th and 7 was diabolical. I didn't even see it until that video.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 12:43 PMI might have some unique insight into this type of situation.
I was an officer in the Navy. You might ask yourself, how the fuck does that align with this?
Well, I'll tell you. Both football players and your typical enlisted Navy dude are both borderline retarded, for the most part. That doesn't mean they aren't good guys, but they typically aren't the smartest. Do you know how you get them do be able to carry out quite detailed and intricate activities, in unison, as a team? You drill the fuck out of them. You drill it and then you drill it some more and then you keep drilling it and any mistake is met with repercussions, real repercussions, and then you drill it some more and so everyone suffers with Petty Officer Third Class fuckface keeps making the same mistake. You demand perfection and hold your Chiefs responsible. These Chiefs know their shit and are awesome. They can mold these guys into a machine. They were once also PO3 Fuckface and will slack off if they are allowed to. That is where you, as a JO, must hold them accountable. Guess what, you, as a JO, were also a HS and College fuckface, so the XO has to hold you accountable. The XO was also a JO fuckface so guess who demands excellence from the XO? The Captain of the ship. It ALL starts from the top and if the CO doesn't demand excellence, a slack attitude will trickle down all the way to PO3 Fuckface and they will skip an inspection or skip a step in a procedure and you end up with a mainspace fire or you run aground on a reef.
Well, I mean, you TOLD them to do it right and had a 10 minute conversation on it... That doesn't work with people like that. You have to drill it into them so there is no other way known to them. There is only the right way and it is mental and muscle memory taking over, not thinking about doing it the right way.
A shit Captain will have a shit ship, regardless of how good everyone else, from the XO down to Seaman Schmuckatelli, were previously.
Sam Pittman isn't a good Captain and runs a lax ship.
Did you order the Code Red?!?!?!
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 12:43 PMI might have some unique insight into this type of situation.
I was an officer in the Navy. You might ask yourself, how the fuck does that align with this?
Well, I'll tell you. Both football players and your typical enlisted Navy dude are both borderline retarded, for the most part. That doesn't mean they aren't good guys, but they typically aren't the smartest. Do you know how you get them do be able to carry out quite detailed and intricate activities, in unison, as a team? You drill the fuck out of them. You drill it and then you drill it some more and then you keep drilling it and any mistake is met with repercussions, real repercussions, and then you drill it some more and so everyone suffers with Petty Officer Third Class fuckface keeps making the same mistake. You demand perfection and hold your Chiefs responsible. These Chiefs know their shit and are awesome. They can mold these guys into a machine. They were once also PO3 Fuckface and will slack off if they are allowed to. That is where you, as a JO, must hold them accountable. Guess what, you, as a JO, were also a HS and College fuckface, so the XO has to hold you accountable. The XO was also a JO fuckface so guess who demands excellence from the XO? The Captain of the ship. It ALL starts from the top and if the CO doesn't demand excellence, a slack attitude will trickle down all the way to PO3 Fuckface and they will skip an inspection or skip a step in a procedure and you end up with a mainspace fire or you run aground on a reef.
Well, I mean, you TOLD them to do it right and had a 10 minute conversation on it... That doesn't work with people like that. You have to drill it into them so there is no other way known to them. There is only the right way and it is mental and muscle memory taking over, not thinking about doing it the right way.
A shit Captain will have a shit ship, regardless of how good everyone else, from the XO down to Seaman Schmuckatelli, were previously.
Sam Pittman isn't a good Captain and runs a lax ship.
I've believed for a while that Sam is a classic good performer as a front line supervisor, but sucks at management.
Do the offensive/defensive positions coaches usually report to the head coach or to the coordinators? It seems to me that if Bobby controlled the O line and Running backs coaches, we could un-fuck some of this nonsense pretty damn ricky-tick.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Dec 02, 2024, 02:04 PMI've believed for a while that Sam is a classic good performer as a front line supervisor, but sucks at management.
Do the offensive/defensive positions coaches usually report to the head coach or to the coordinators? It seems to me that if Bobby controlled the O line and Running backs coaches, we could un-fuck some of this nonsense pretty damn ricky-tick.
Sam is essentially too lazy to demand attention detail needed. When you hold someone accountable you have to be there to make sure they are accountable. That requires effort and it is difficult to keep up with over time. I don't see Sam doing that.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 12:43 PMI might have some unique insight into this type of situation.
I was an officer in the Navy. You might ask yourself, how the fuck does that align with this?
Well, I'll tell you. Both football players and your typical enlisted Navy dude are both borderline retarded, for the most part. That doesn't mean they aren't good guys, but they typically aren't the smartest. Do you know how you get them do be able to carry out quite detailed and intricate activities, in unison, as a team? You drill the fuck out of them. You drill it and then you drill it some more and then you keep drilling it and any mistake is met with repercussions, real repercussions, and then you drill it some more and so everyone suffers with Petty Officer Third Class fuckface keeps making the same mistake. You demand perfection and hold your Chiefs responsible. These Chiefs know their shit and are awesome. They can mold these guys into a machine. They were once also PO3 Fuckface and will slack off if they are allowed to. That is where you, as a JO, must hold them accountable. Guess what, you, as a JO, were also a HS and College fuckface, so the XO has to hold you accountable. The XO was also a JO fuckface so guess who demands excellence from the XO? The Captain of the ship. It ALL starts from the top and if the CO doesn't demand excellence, a slack attitude will trickle down all the way to PO3 Fuckface and they will skip an inspection or skip a step in a procedure and you end up with a mainspace fire or you run aground on a reef.
Well, I mean, you TOLD them to do it right and had a 10 minute conversation on it... That doesn't work with people like that. You have to drill it into them so there is no other way known to them. There is only the right way and it is mental and muscle memory taking over, not thinking about doing it the right way.
A shit Captain will have a shit ship, regardless of how good everyone else, from the XO down to Seaman Schmuckatelli, were previously.
Sam Pittman isn't a good Captain and runs a lax ship.
Yessir. As the son of an old school CPO, I get it.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 02, 2024, 02:03 PMDid you order the Code Red?!?!?!
Bro, a good officer doesn't have to ORDER it. You just make it known to the Chiefs what you expect/demand and they will make it happen if it is required.
Now, did one shitbag end up with some unexplained injuries after going AWOL for a day and talking shit to the PO1? Maybe, maybe not. Those are questions I had zero desire to ask. Motherfuck fell into line after that
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 02, 2024, 02:07 PMSam is essentially too lazy to demand attention detail needed. When you hold someone accountable you have to be there to make sure they are accountable. That requires effort and it is difficult to keep up with over time. I don't see Sam doing that.
Hasn't Bobby always done the line flipping thing when he was in charge of the lines as HC? I seem to remember that. We aren't doing that now I think.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 04:25 PMHasn't Bobby always done the line flipping thing when he was in charge of the lines as HC? I seem to remember that. We aren't doing that now I think.
Yes, that was one of his signatures.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 02, 2024, 12:43 PMI might have some unique insight into this type of situation.
I was an officer in the Navy. You might ask yourself, how the fuck does that align with this?
Well, I'll tell you. Both football players and your typical enlisted Navy dude are both borderline retarded, for the most part. That doesn't mean they aren't good guys, but they typically aren't the smartest. Do you know how you get them do be able to carry out quite detailed and intricate activities, in unison, as a team? You drill the fuck out of them. You drill it and then you drill it some more and then you keep drilling it and any mistake is met with repercussions, real repercussions, and then you drill it some more and so everyone suffers with Petty Officer Third Class fuckface keeps making the same mistake. You demand perfection and hold your Chiefs responsible. These Chiefs know their shit and are awesome. They can mold these guys into a machine. They were once also PO3 Fuckface and will slack off if they are allowed to. That is where you, as a JO, must hold them accountable. Guess what, you, as a JO, were also a HS and College fuckface, so the XO has to hold you accountable. The XO was also a JO fuckface so guess who demands excellence from the XO? The Captain of the ship. It ALL starts from the top and if the CO doesn't demand excellence, a slack attitude will trickle down all the way to PO3 Fuckface and they will skip an inspection or skip a step in a procedure and you end up with a mainspace fire or you run aground on a reef.
Well, I mean, you TOLD them to do it right and had a 10 minute conversation on it... That doesn't work with people like that. You have to drill it into them so there is no other way known to them. There is only the right way and it is mental and muscle memory taking over, not thinking about doing it the right way.
A shit Captain will have a shit ship, regardless of how good everyone else, from the XO down to Seaman Schmuckatelli, were previously.
Sam Pittman isn't a good Captain and runs a lax ship.
Aye aye, sir! You're spot on. Guess who believed in the need for constant drills, preferably in August heat? JFB.
So what have we had since BMFP? Bert was a lazyass who couldn't take the heat, so he gave his players especially his linemen, lots of days off. Hence his teams were sloppy, out of shape, mistake prone.
Chad was fucking Captain Queeg. Couldn't commit. Blamed his players because he didn't spend time drilling but expected perfection in running his overly complicated playbook when they were never drilled on fundamentals of football, hence they couldn't tackle, couldn't kick, couldn't run basic plays because they couldn't block.
Then we get Sam, who takes the laziness of Bert and combines with a lack of accountability. His teams are sloppy, stupid, lazy, inept regardless of the influence of bmfp and twill. Sam's position defines the culture of the team; it is an exact reflection of him. It will. Ever get better.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 02, 2024, 01:52 PMThat 4th and 7 was diabolical. I didn't even see it until that video.
It's implied that the play was to the TE...at minimum your fricking QB should be scanning the field to notice stuff like nobody guarding the guy. The fact that Hasz wasn't all waiving his arms at the QB pre-snap kind of makes me think he knew the play was supposed to go to him but the QB never even looks at him.
Same thing in the game before where we do that short yardage play where the TE streaks down the field wide fucking open and the QB never looks for it. He's got to be the first Petrino QB I've ever seen that flat out missed that read and I've been watching Petrino QBs hit that fucking money play for damn near 20 years. It's there more often than not and how Petrino can call that shit and it be there that often is something to behold. When he was Missouri State he ran that play and everyone in the stadium but our fat lazy staff knew what was coming.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 02, 2024, 02:07 PMSam is essentially too lazy to demand attention detail needed. When you hold someone accountable you have to be there to make sure they are accountable. That requires effort and it is difficult to keep up with over time. I don't see Sam doing that.
Easy to say that. Tell me, please:
1. How many team meetings have you been to.
2. How many practices you have watched.
3. How you know what Sam does before and after practice.
4. If I have missed anything, what is your factual basis for claiming Sam is lazy?
Just curious. Easy to say someone is lazy. But what do you really know?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 02, 2024, 11:20 PMEasy to say that. Tell me, please:
1. How many team meetings have you been to.
2. How many practices you have watched.
3. How you know what Sam does before and after practice.
4. If I have missed anything, what is your factual basis for claiming Sam is lazy?
Just curious. Easy to say someone is lazy. But what do you really know?
HTL says he goes to the lake every weekend. Now THAT is a source!!
I don't see Sam doing anything other than doing interviews, pressers, and waffling out onto the field and waiving. Ok once in a blue moon I see him telling someone to turn on that damn jukebox. I do see his teams he's responsible for rampant fumbling and interception kings, constant procedural penalties among other penalties and defenses that goat fuck with the best of them in the 4th quarter and have been seeing that for at least five years and possibly longer. Oh and a white boy playing corner that can't tackle or stay with anybody at the FBS level but sure knows where to line up.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 02, 2024, 11:20 PMEasy to say that. Tell me, please:
1. How many team meetings have you been to.
2. How many practices you have watched.
3. How you know what Sam does before and after practice.
4. If I have missed anything, what is your factual basis for claiming Sam is lazy?
Just curious. Easy to say someone is lazy. But what do you really know?
I see the results. As a former Army officer, my experience matches the naval officer's. This is a slack organization and that always starts at the top.
We are 115th in turnovers.
We are 103rd in penalty yardage per game.
We are a horribly coached team.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 03, 2024, 09:07 AMWe are 115th in turnovers.
We are 103rd in penalty yardage per game.
We are a horribly coached team.
But Pittman told the team not to fumble or commit penalties.
What more do you want from him?!
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 03, 2024, 09:07 AMWe are 115th in turnovers.
We are 103rd in penalty yardage per game.
We are a horribly coached team.
I can see Barton's argument on turnovers. I don't necessarily agree, but I don't think we just completely ignore the subject of ball security either.
Penalties are the most damning indictment. It doesn't take talent to know the snap count, not jump offsides on defense, not pick up a ball carrier and body slam him, etc...which seemed to the naked eye to be our most common penalties (the first two categories).
Quote from: Feral on Dec 03, 2024, 09:10 AMBut Pittman told the team not to fumble or commit penalties.
What more do you want from him?!
For the 2021 season, Arkansas finished #21 in Turnover margin (Georgia was 35, Alabama was 41)
For the 2022 season, Arkansas finished #42 in Turnover margin (Georgia was 65, Alabama was 77)
For the 2023 season, Arkansas finished #108 in Turnover margin (Georgia was 57, Alabama was 22)
This season, Arkansas is #119 (Georgia is 70, Alabama is 28)
Did Pittman just get lazy the last two years? Looks like Kirby could use some more discipline on this too. Saban must've lost focus in '22 and forgot to discipline his team.
**Edited to add that I got the stats from here: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/turnover-margin-per-game?date=2024-12-06
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 09:13 AMI can see Barton's argument on turnovers. I don't necessarily agree, but I don't think we just completely ignore the subject of ball security either.
Penalties are the most damning indictment. It doesn't take talent to know the snap count, not jump offsides on defense, not pick up a ball carrier and body slam him, etc...which seemed to the naked eye to be our most common penalties (the first two categories).
Using that same page: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game
Penalties per game:
Georgia - 5.5
Arkansas - 7.0
Ole Miss - 7.7
Alabama - 7.8
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 03, 2024, 09:46 AMUsing that same page: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game
Penalties per game:
Georgia - 5.5
Arkansas - 7.0
Ole Miss - 7.7
Alabama - 7.8
I think a lot of Alabama fans would agree they haven't been well coached this year. 9-3 with that talent is probably equivalent to 6-6 with ours.
Kiffin is the outlier I guess. I don't think anyone has ever accused him of running a tight ship. His advantage is in play calling/scheme and, at least this year, talent. But it's fair to say he underachieved relative to what he had on his roster as well.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 03, 2024, 09:46 AMUsing that same page: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game
Penalties per game:
Georgia - 5.5
Arkansas - 7.0
Ole Miss - 7.7
Alabama - 7.8
Great site.
Arkansas penalties under Pittman:
2020: 6.4 (81st nationally)
2021: 7.9 (121st)
2022: 6.4 (81st)
2023: 6.3 (87th)
2024: 7.0 (108th)
It seems like a recurring problem when you are consistently in the bottom half to bottom third nationally in penalties per game.
More from the same site...fumbles lost per game (this makes more sense than turnover margin if we're grading how well the offense takes care of the ball):
2020: 0.7 (78th)
2021: 0.3 (7th)
2022: 0.8 (90th)
2023: 0.9 (119th)
2024: 1.2 (133rd out of 133...DFL)
We had one really good year, which happened to be the one where we won nine games. And the rest of the years we were always among or alone as the worst in the country.
The saddest thing about these numbers is that if we just improve to our 2023 rate which was bottom fifteen nationally, we likely win 2-3 more games depending on which fumbles you take away.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 03, 2024, 09:42 AMFor the 2021 season, Arkansas finished #21 in Turnover margin (Georgia was 35, Alabama was 41)
For the 2022 season, Arkansas finished #42 in Turnover margin (Georgia was 65, Alabama was 77)
For the 2023 season, Arkansas finished #108 in Turnover margin (Georgia was 57, Alabama was 22)
This season, Arkansas is #119 (Georgia is 70, Alabama is 28)
Did Pittman just get lazy the last two years? Looks like Kirby could use some more discipline on this too. Saban must've lost focus in '22 and forgot to discipline his team.
**Edited to add that I got the stats from here: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/turnover-margin-per-game?date=2024-12-06
I was dumb to ask...
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Oct 22, 2024, 12:54 PM
Would the TOs be attributed to players or coaching or preparation?
Quote from: woodhog14 on Oct 22, 2024, 02:33 PMSuch a dumb question. Yeah, coaching and preparation are attributing to all of the TO's.
This is the bull shit that our fans do. Do you really think, any coaching staff in America, doesn't preach about not turning the ball over?
Our fans are so stupid.
Someone may come back with "we fumbled more because we ran the ball a lot more you dumb fuck."
To that I counter with these teams, which were run first, run second, run third, and pretty much run always:
2003: 1.0 (71st)
2004: 0.5 (21st)*
2005: 0.6 (23rd)
2006: 0.5 (14th)
2007: 1.1 (96th)
*this includes one fumble that we know definitively cost us a victory and an above .500 season
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 03, 2024, 07:17 AMI see the results. As a former Army officer, my experience matches the naval officer's. This is a slack organization and that always starts at the top.
So opinion but no actual knowledge.
Got it.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 10:02 AMI think a lot of Alabama fans would agree they haven't been well coached this year. 9-3 with that talent is probably equivalent to 6-6 with ours.
Yet that same Alabama coach had his team in the national championship game last year and they looked pretty damn well coached.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 03, 2024, 10:28 AMSo opinion but no actual knowledge.
Got it.
No, I can see by the results what is going on. Kind of like when a doctor makes a diagnosis on a patient by looking at the symptoms. It ain't rocket science no matter how much some of you want to pretend it is.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 03, 2024, 10:31 AMYet that same Alabama coach had his team in the national championship game last year and they looked pretty damn well coached.
You do realize that Saban retired, right?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 03, 2024, 10:36 AMYou do realize that Saban retired, right?
You do realize that Saban didn't coach in the national championship game last year, but the current Alabama coach did, right?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 03, 2024, 10:35 AMNo, I can see by the results what is going on. Kind of like when a doctor makes a diagnosis on a patient by looking at the symptoms. It ain't rocket science no matter how much some of you want to pretend it is.
So Sam is lazy because the results are not good? No other options like subpar talent, misses on assistant coaches, misses on portal linemen, etc.
Since you have no actual inside knowledge, only your opinion based on the results, Sam could be working his ass off and not lazy at all but still getting results that equal our average results since joining the SEC
Not blasting you, I'm just tired of the "Sam is lazy" talking points from folks who have no actual knowledge about what goes on in the building.
You just don't know.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 03, 2024, 10:35 AMNo, I can see by the results what is going on. Kind of like when a doctor makes a diagnosis on a patient by looking at the symptoms. It ain't rocket science no matter how much some of you want to pretend it is.
You should be a coach. Or, a doctor.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 03, 2024, 10:44 AMSo Sam is lazy because the results are not good? No other options like subpar talent, misses on assistant coaches, misses on portal linemen, etc.
Since you have no actual inside knowledge, only your opinion based on the results, Sam could be working his ass off and not lazy at all but still getting results that equal our average results since joining the SEC
Not blasting you, I'm just tired of the "Sam is lazy" talking points from folks who have no actual knowledge about what goes on in the building.
You just don't know.
Turnover and penalties and penalties especially are the symptoms of a slipshod bumblefuck coaching staff that does not demand accountability. We've seen it over and over. It starts at the top. It ain't rocket science.
I don't mean this as a shot at anyone, but it's simply amazing to me that we have fans making excuses for Pittman after going 10-14 the last 2 years (17-20 the last 3) and fielding one of the sloppiest football teams in the country in the process.
Are our standards just that low now?
In the last 3 years, Pittman is:
0-3 vs Mizzou
0-3 vs Texas A&M
0-3 vs LSU
1-2 vs Mississippi State
1-2 vs Ole Miss
1-2 vs P5 OOC opponents
Since 2022, 7 of his wins have come against UAB, Louisiana Tech, UAPB, Missouri State, Western Carolina, Kent State, and FIU.
Since 2022, he's 7-17 in the SEC.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 03, 2024, 10:46 AMTurnover and penalties and penalties especially are the symptoms of a slipshod bumblefuck coaching staff that does not demand accountability. We've seen it over and over. It starts at the top. It ain't rocket science.
I always wonder what rocket scientists say.... It ain't neurosurgery? :D
Bama's current head coach and staff have had tons of penalties and turnovers this year. Did they just get lazy and become " a slipshod and bumblefuck" coaching staff from the prior year in Washington where they played for a national championship?
Sam is a career assistant who may be in over his head as a head coach. That I see. I don't see lazy and given your lack of direct knowledge, you just have your opinion to go on.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 03, 2024, 10:55 AMI always wonder what rocket scientists say.... It ain't neurosurgery? :D
Bama's current head coach and staff have had tons of penalties and turnovers this year. Did they just get lazy and become " a slipshod and bumblefuck" coaching staff from the prior year in Washington where they played for a national championship?
Sam is a career assistant who may be in over his head as a head coach. That I see. I don't see lazy and given your lack of direct knowledge, you just have your opinion to go on.
Let's see if Bama has that problem next year. I suspect they will work to identify the disconnect, get a handle on the problem with specific steps to accountability and greatly improve. If they say something like, "Aw shucks, we work on that over and over" and the problem remains, then one may conclude they are lazy, stupid, or both.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 10:43 AMYou do realize that Saban didn't coach in the national championship game last year, but the current Alabama coach did, right?
You do realize that I'm an idiot, right? No clue what I was thinking.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 03, 2024, 11:12 AMYou do realize that I'm an idiot, right? No clue what I was thinking.
We're supposed to think here?
SIAP but saw this earlier. Figured this was the best thread to put it in.
https://x.com/kruprock/status/1863684283602190609 (https://x.com/kruprock/status/1863684283602190609)
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 03, 2024, 02:06 PMSIAP but saw this earlier. Figured this was the best thread to put it in.
https://x.com/kruprock/status/1863684283602190609 (https://x.com/kruprock/status/1863684283602190609)
Or maybe the thread titled "BOB HOLT"
If the first reply isn't "what do you think about that?" we have failed as a fanbase.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 03, 2024, 10:55 AMI always wonder what rocket scientists say.... It ain't neurosurgery? :D
Bama's current head coach and staff have had tons of penalties and turnovers this year. Did they just get lazy and become " a slipshod and bumblefuck" coaching staff from the prior year in Washington where they played for a national championship?
Sam is a career assistant who may be in over his head as a head coach. That I see. I don't see lazy and given your lack of direct knowledge, you just have your opinion to go on.
I'm pretty set against Sam having future success but I don't think he's lazy.
People can work their ass off on the wrong things and have no intuition or consistent method to self-review what is working and not.
I do think his physical issues this year have taken a toll and he's likely not worked as hard.
plenty of hard working people suck at their jobs. it usually means they have the wrong job.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 03, 2024, 07:09 PMI'm pretty set against Sam having future success but I don't think he's lazy.
People can work their ass off on the wrong things and have no intuition or consistent method to self-review what is working and not.
I do think his physical issues this year have taken a toll and he's likely not worked as hard.
I agree with this.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 03, 2024, 07:11 PMplenty of hard working people suck at their jobs. it usually means they have the wrong job.
Yep. And even more people are great at a particular skill set, but lack organizational leadership.
You could probably plug him back in as an OL coach somewhere once he heals up, and he'd thrive. He's just not built to lead the entire organization.
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 03, 2024, 02:06 PMSIAP but saw this earlier. Figured this was the best thread to put it in.
https://x.com/kruprock/status/1863684283602190609 (https://x.com/kruprock/status/1863684283602190609)
Bob's an institution. Anybody heard anything new?
i read that all of his family that can, is either at the hospital or on their way. also cal said at his presser to pray for him.
the fact that there's no news is probably not a good sign.
Quote from: TC on Dec 03, 2024, 08:33 PMYep. And even more people are great at a particular skill set, but lack organizational leadership.
You could probably plug him back in as an OL coach somewhere once he heals up, and he'd thrive. He's just not built to lead the entire organization.
Exactly. I've learned this lesson the hard way several times. Being good at a job doesn't mean you will be good at managing people doing that job. It's a completely different skill set.
The turnover and coaching correlation reminds me of when I was chinstrap coordinator on my son's pee wee football team. The other team was killing us on the reverse and the fake reverse. Our head coach was running out of ways to scream about the reverse. After the game and our head coach gave his speech, he asked me if I had anything. I asked the kids if any of them knew what a reverse was. They all said no.
It's one thing to give some Nuttish 3 points of pressure, gotta protect the ball, it's precious type coach speak. It's another thing to watch a player everytime he touches a ball in practice and look for his tendencies that can cause a turnover. Then you show the player his tendency and correct it. That's a 180 different strategy than screaming "don't fumble". It takes effort and it's what good coaches do, especially position coaches. If a player does it in a game, he's done it in practice.
Mike Leach said you're either coaching or allowing it to happen.
So you either coach your players to not fumble and set consequences if you do so, or you just allow it, which seems to be Pittman and his staff's modus operandi.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 03, 2024, 10:51 AMI don't mean this as a shot at anyone, but it's simply amazing to me that we have fans making excuses for Pittman after going 10-14 the last 2 years (17-20 the last 3) and fielding one of the sloppiest football teams in the country in the process.
Are our standards just that low now?
In the last 3 years, Pittman is:
0-3 vs Mizzou
0-3 vs Texas A&M
0-3 vs LSU
1-2 vs Mississippi State
1-2 vs Ole Miss
1-2 vs P5 OOC opponents
Since 2022, 7 of his wins have come against UAB, Louisiana Tech, UAPB, Missouri State, Western Carolina, Kent State, and FIU.
Since 2022, he's 7-17 in the SEC.
This makes me nauseous.
Quote from: RazorB on Dec 04, 2024, 07:19 PMThis makes me nauseous.
Just wait till next year. You'll see!!!