Let's start with ridiculous buyouts schools have saddled themselves up with.
Kirby Smart $118 million
Kalen DeBoer $70 million
Mike Norvell $63 million
Brian Kelly $61 million
Dabo Swinney $60 million
James Franklin $56 million
Matt Rhule $56 million
Steve Sarkisiam $55 million
Dan Lanning $45 million
Brent Venables $44 million
Mark Stoops $44 million
Jedd Fisch $40 million
Luke Fickell $40 million
Jonathan Smith $39 million
Jeff Brohm $39 million
Josh Heupel $37 million
Ryan Day $37 million
Lane Kiffin $36 million
Kirk Ferentz $31 million
Chris Klieman $29 million
Bret Bielema $29 million
Greg Schiano $28 million
Eli Drinkwitz $28 million
Lance Leipold $27 million
Mike Elko $27 million
Billy Napier $26 million
Mike Gundy $25 million
PJ Fleck $23 million
Hugh Freeze $20 million
Willie Fritz $19 million
No worries. Sam could lose out and will be back. Yuri don't have the bucks to play at the big table yet.
All of these schools need to get together and sign a pact that says no buyout for coaches.
Your program shouldn't be wrecked because you fired a losing coach. Half their salaries for 6 months, that's it.
That just proves there are a lot of ADs who suck at negotiating and have zero business skills.
And I bet all of them are making over $1 mill a year too.
Norvell - that has to hurt for FSU
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2024, 06:13 PMThat just proves there are a lot of ADs who suck at negotiating and have zero business skills.
And I bet all of them are making over $1 mill a year too.
I don't understand how the market is so hard up for coaches that buyouts without much in the way of attached performance clauses are the norm for the industry. It is halfway through November and FSU is still looking for their second win but it would cost $60+ mil to get rid of him. He had only had success at Memphis before then.
I guess it is like NFL QBs. There are only about half as many as there are needed so everybody is hoping to lock in the scarcity. The fact that the population is .500 every year hides some mediocre coaches each year so places end up making hires like us.
North Carolina has fired Mack Brown. Didn't really see that coming.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 26, 2024, 10:15 AMNorth Carolina has fired Mack Brown. Didn't really see that coming.
He's done far more as HC there than Sam ever did here
Tarheels are 6-5 and 3-4 in conference. Possible bowl opponent for us
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 26, 2024, 10:15 AMNorth Carolina has fired Mack Brown. Didn't really see that coming.
Elevate their DC!!!!!!!
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 26, 2024, 10:15 AMNorth Carolina has fired Mack Brown. Didn't really see that coming.
Has won 8 more games at NC than Sam has over the last 5 years.
Apparently NC doesn't like mediocrity.
so he's fired but coaching this weekend? i guess they'll put up with mediocrity one more week.
didn't he go thru something like this at texass?
There were reports from Bevo at Texas that Mack would sneak into his stall late at night and violate him. Bevo said this some years back when interviewed on the Ticket.
I mean, why would Bevo lie?
Is it his coaching at NC, or something else. Don't they use a sheep as a mascot?
I remember they made Muschamp the coach-in-waiting which meant the writing was on the wall, but then Muschamp took the Florida job after a year of that designation and Mack coached 2 or 3 unremarkable seasons before "resigning". Only to hire Charlie Strong which led to Bobby back to Louisville.
Look guys, not everyone has an ace in the hole interim like Reggie Herring to come in and save the day.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 26, 2024, 03:51 PMThere were reports from Bevo at Texas that Mack would sneak into his stall late at night and violate him. Bevo said this some years back when interviewed on the Ticket.
I mean, why would Bevo lie?
Is it his coaching at NC, or something else. Don't they use a sheep as a mascot?
😂 I mean he is like 80 or something right? Probably time to hang it up.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 26, 2024, 04:47 PM😂 I mean he is like 80 or something right? Probably time to hang it up.
Are you speaking in terms of coaching or violating sheep or both?
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Nov 26, 2024, 01:19 PMTarheels are 6-5 and 3-4 in conference. Possible bowl opponent for us
A lot of teams would like to be 6-5, Chuck.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 26, 2024, 04:55 PMAre you speaking in terms of coaching or violating sheep or both?
I suppose both 🤣
Bevo still carries the scars. His victimization is not respected in the rest of the herd. The other steers consider him a homo.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 26, 2024, 05:41 PMBevo still carries the scars. His victimization is not respected in the rest of the herd. The other steers consider him a homo.
Ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving weekend with the fAggies.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 26, 2024, 05:41 PMBevo still carries the scars. His victimization is not respected in the rest of the herd. The other steers consider him a homo.
The only things that come from Texas are steers and queers, and I don't see any horns on your head.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 26, 2024, 10:15 AMNorth Carolina has fired Mack Brown. Didn't really see that coming.
Winningest coach in NC history and has them bowl eligible this year, and they still have the balls to push him out.
Meanwhile we can't muster the testicular fortitude to part from Sam despite him accomplishing jack shit here.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 27, 2024, 07:48 AMWinningest coach in NC history and has them bowl eligible this year, and they still have the balls to push him out.
Meanwhile we can't muster the testicular fortitude to part from Sam despite him accomplishing jack shit here.
Maybe they're the ones making a bad decision?
after the james madison loss he told the team was probably retiring at the end of the season and their recruiting has tanked ever since. they are behind the likes of miami-ohio, sdsu, fau, georgia st., east carolina, unlv. he gave them no choice but to 'fire' him. it wasn't about the win-loss record. he'd quit.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 27, 2024, 08:48 AMMaybe they're the ones making a bad decision?
Given they hired Geoff Collins as their DC, the probability of that is a lot closer to 1 than 0.
Are we an impressive enough of a program these days to even make a run at someone like the Vandy coach or would he be counseled to wait for a better offer?
jerry kill and the players he brought over from nm state deserve a lot of credit, imo.
that said, if vandy holds on, lea should be sec coach of the year despite their record.
Quote from: Cerdo on Nov 30, 2024, 12:11 PMAre we an impressive enough of a program these days to even make a run at someone like the Vandy coach or would he be counseled to wait for a better offer?
He's an alum. Doubt he leaves for anything other than a blue blood, if at all.
Ohio State fires Day, Pittman retires with his new bionic hip, and Yurachek gets in one last flashy hire before he moves on to South Carolina.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 30, 2024, 04:30 PMOhio State fires Day, Pittman retires with his new bionic hip, and Yurachek gets in one last flashy hire before he moves on to South Carolina.
Getting owned by your rivals is a prerequisite for our job.
Day would recruit better than Sam. As far as wins, the bar is not very high right now.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 04:49 PMDay would recruit better than Sam. As far as wins, the bar is not very high right now.
Apparently the majority of our fans feel like 6-6 is the best we can hope for anyway, and we should just feel lucky being at a big kid party.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 06:15 PMApparently the majority of our fans feel like 6-6 is the best we can hope for anyway, and we should just feel lucky being at a big kid party.
what majority of the fans? the majority of the fans don't control the money.
Something has to change, the program has too much apathy. Fans are going to stop renewing and you can forget NIL money.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 06:19 PMSomething has to change, the program has too much apathy. Fans are going to stop renewing and you can forget NIL money.
Our stupid administration is never proactive about anything. Only reactive.
While other programs get ahead of NIL, we slow play it and our media chuds like Irwin refer to it as "cheating" in the early days.
We never cut bait with a bad coach early, we wait a year too late for him to burn the program to the ground in a year everyone saw coming.
We never hire the hot up and comer everyone knows will be a success. We pass on him for someone coasting on the downside of their career.
Literally everyone can see what next year is going to be like with Pittman in terms of win-loss and fan apathy. But we won't make a change now and will instead kick the can down the road and suffer through an embarrassing 2025 season (that literally everyone can see coming) and thus make our job less attractive.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2024, 06:24 PMOur stupid administration is never proactive about anything. Only reactive.
While other programs get ahead of NIL, we slow play it and our media chuds like Irwin refer to it as "cheating" in the early days.
We never cut bait with a bad coach early, we wait a year too late for him to burn the program to the ground in a year everyone saw coming.
We never hire the hot up and comer everyone knows will be a success. We pass on him for someone coasting on the downside of their career.
Literally everyone can see what next year is going to be like with Pittman in terms of win-loss and fan apathy. But we won't make a change now and will instead kick the can down the road and suffer through an embarrassing 2025 season (that literally everyone can see coming) and thus make our job less attractive.
Add in the fact that no major programs are hiring this year, so of course we are going to wait one more to see whether on not Pit Titts pays off.
Pitt brought us back to mediocrity from the utter abyss of the Morris era, and for that I'm grateful.
But we've seen the ceiling and 7-8 wins is it, in a good year. Time to move on.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2024, 06:34 PMPitt brought us back to mediocrity from the utter abyss of the Morris era, and for that I'm grateful.
But we've seen the ceiling and 7-8 wins is it, in a good year. Time to move on.
Pittman doesn't deserve that much credit,anybody could have done better with Morris's recruits.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 27, 2024, 07:48 AMMeanwhile we can't muster the testicular fortitude to part from Sam despite him accomplishing jack shit here.
bowl game 4 out of 5 years...
Quote from: Piggielicious on Nov 30, 2024, 10:52 PMbowl game 4 out of 5 years...
Kept his job going 4-8 in year 4 of a SEC program.
Went 6-6 in year 5
finally fired (checks notes), and still keeps his job.
I guess we will see if the rats start escaping the ship. Surely someone needs some dudes off this staff.
A DL coach that wouldn't know penetration if he watched a Riley Reid porn, a special teams coach that literally found Little but not really
As of Sunday
Dec 1
Best jobs open
North Carolina (Brown out)
UCF (Gus' exit to FSU as OC, obviously guy was getting fired but whatever)
Fresno State
Utah State
I count 12 FBS jobs open currently...I'm sure this list is going to grow by Monday.
I could see West Virginia moving on from Neal Brown
Maryland possibly dumping Mike Locksley
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2024, 01:28 PMAs of Sunday
Dec 1
Best jobs open
North Carolina (Brown out)
UCF (Gus' exit to FSU as OC, obviously guy was getting fired but whatever)
Fresno State
Utah State
I count 12 FBS jobs open currently...I'm sure this list is going to grow by Monday.
I could see West Virginia moving on from Neal Brown
Maryland possibly dumping Mike Locksley
Once again, the perfect time for us to be shopping.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2024, 01:31 PMOnce again, the perfect time for us to be shopping.
Exactly, but you know we won't. We never do anything with correct timing. We're always doing things one (or more) year late. Always reactive, never proactive.
We'll inexplicably give Sam 2025, delay the inevitable, and wind up coach shopping at the same time as programs like Auburn, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, West Virginia, ans others.
I mean for once this is the perfect time to land the Gus Malzahn whale. :))
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1863323983715676226
Buster Faulkner might be great for us but not a big enough name probably.
Uh oh....
https://x.com/hunter_bailey45/status/1863314612998836279?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Purdue fires Ryan Walters.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42718960/purdue-fires-ryan-walters-winless-big-ten-year (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42718960/purdue-fires-ryan-walters-winless-big-ten-year)
Was a tremendous DC for Bert at Illinois before getting the Purdue HC job. Would be a great replacement for T-Will if he moves on.
If BP is trying to leave, he either knows they are all about to be out of a job or he is unhappy.
I can't even imagine fan reaction if Sam came back without BP.
West Virginia open
https://x.com/fakewallyhall/status/1863334042613031408?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2024, 03:41 PMI can't even imagine fan reaction if Sam came back without BP.
If BP leaves, Yurachek may almost be forced to fire Pittman.
He was Pittman's lifeline to get fans re-interested this year.
BP ain't leaving for those 49'ers
Quote from: Feral on Dec 01, 2024, 03:43 PMIf BP leaves, Yurachek may almost be forced to fire Pittman.
He was Pittman's lifeline to get fans re-interested this year.
Unless he's hiring Ben Johnson to be the replacement OC.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2024, 01:31 PMOnce again, the perfect time for us to be shopping.
[/quoteQuote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2024, 01:31 PMOnce again, the perfect time for us to be shopping.
You new here? We don't start shopping until all the good ones are gone.
We never go Christmas shopping in September and October.
We wait until Christmas Eve night and wonder why the shelves are a barren wasteland.
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1863309224807158132
KC Keller getting the Temple gig.
dude did great at sam houston st. temple is a tough gig, must be a significant raise for him.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 01, 2024, 02:59 PMBuster Faulkner might be great for us but not a big enough name probably.
No, the consensus on here is that we really need to throw a ton of money at some really big name. It worked out well for Jimbo.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 01, 2024, 07:11 PMNo, the consensus on here is that we really need to throw a ton of money at some really big name. It worked out well for Jimbo.
Not sure where you've gotten that. Certainly not in recent Woopig.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 07:18 PMNot sure where you've gotten that. Certainly not in recent Woopig.
Yeah, at this point I would much rather us hire a winner at a lower level.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2024, 07:18 PMNot sure where you've gotten that. Certainly not in recent Woopig.
That's sure the way I read all the posts who want to hire someone that "makes a splash" or "gets everyone's attention" to prove we "serious" about football.
Because then, see , the NIL money will flow following such a hire.
NIL money will follow wins. Wins will follow competent coaching.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2024, 03:41 PMIf BP is trying to leave, he either knows they are all about to be out of a job or he is unhappy.
I can't even imagine fan reaction if Sam came back without BP.
I'd think bmfp is getting paid about what Charlotte would pay him. But with little nil to get a qb that will dampen it. I don't see him going there. Would not be surprised if he leaves.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 01, 2024, 08:15 PMI'd think bmfp is getting paid about what Charlotte would pay him. But with little nil to get a qb that will dampen it. I don't see him going there. Would not be surprised if he leaves.
he could always take the qb he wanted here.
West Virginia, for whatever reason, will go hard after Odom.
He would probably have an easier path to the playoff at UNLV and if he can keep winning there is probably a lot of untapped money in Vegas for a winner.
Remember they bankrolled Tark back in the day when he was winning. The raiders aren't winning anytime soon.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 01, 2024, 03:43 PMWest Virginia open
https://x.com/fakewallyhall/status/1863334042613031408?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
But they made a bowl game in 4 out of 6 seasons!!
So if Petrino goes and we follow the trend of hiring over qualified offensive coordinators with head coaching experience I think Mike Gundy would fit the bill. But we're more likely to hire Neal Brown and get what we get. Ok who am I kidding we're getting Barry Lunney Jr or Dowell Loggains as "coach in waiting" but double secret so nobody knows but everyone does.
There was a random dude on Facebook that took a photo of Petrino getting on a commercial flight to Charlotte. I'm sure that was legit.
Quote from: animal on Dec 02, 2024, 06:59 AMSo if Petrino goes and we follow the trend of hiring over qualified offensive coordinators with head coaching experience I think Mike Gundy would fit the bill. But we're more likely to hire Neal Brown and get what we get. Ok who am I kidding we're getting Barry Lunney Jr or Dowell Loggains as "coach in waiting" but double secret so nobody knows but everyone does.
There was a random dude on Facebook that took a photo of Petrino getting on a commercial flight to Charlotte. I'm sure that was legit.
Since it was from behind, someone needs to show it to Jessica Dorrell to confirm or deny accuracy.
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1863616932034850874
Meanwhile, Fla State is hiring Nebraska's Def Coordinator
West Virginia can be a good job. With Pat McAfee printing money these days, he would personally buy you 5 or 6 studs a year. Not to mention all the media exposure he could bring you. Kids eat that shit up. Read somewhere he is strongly supporting them bringing Rich Rod back.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 03, 2024, 03:30 PMWest Virginia can be a good job. With Pat McAfee printing money these days, he would personally buy you 5 or 6 studs a year. Not to mention all the media exposure he could bring you. Kids eat that shit up. Read somewhere he is strongly supporting them bringing Rich Rod back.
Could see Rich Rod getting another shot in the bigs...he's been doing pretty good at Jacksonville State.
okie st. telling gundy he has to agree to a restructured contract with a pay cut or be terminated for cause.
thamel and osu sources are reporting it.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 02:12 PMokie st. telling gundy he has to agree to a restructured contract with a pay cut or be terminated for cause.
thamel and osu sources are reporting it.
But he beat a SEC team!
Who are they going to get?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 02:12 PMokie st. telling gundy he has to agree to a restructured contract with a pay cut or be terminated for cause.
thamel and osu sources are reporting it.
I've been out of the loop on this one. What would the cause be to fire him? Win-loss record or is there something Petrino-ish he may have done?
Yeah but how old is he know?
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Dec 06, 2024, 02:39 PMI've been out of the loop on this one. What would the cause be to fire him? Win-loss record or is there something Petrino-ish he may have done?
Guessing the part about calling the fans that criticize him PWT and unable to pay their bills. 😂. Not sure though if that qualifies with cause.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Dec 06, 2024, 02:39 PMI've been out of the loop on this one. What would the cause be to fire him? Win-loss record or is there something Petrino-ish he may have done?
Only cause I could come up with would be his comments he's made in the past year, his admission that he'd driven drunk 'hundreds of times' and then telling the fans they were all broke losers who couldn't pay their own bills for talking negative about the program.
Their lawyers could argue that these statements were damaging to the program and brought undue shame/embarrassment on it. He already had a clause in his contract with that after his OAN shirt debacle in '20.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 02:56 PMYeah but how old is he know?
57. Kids aren't coming home crying to mama for dropping passes in a pickup game anymore.
I'm still really confused about NIL. Can universities and/or their fund raising arms directly pay the coach and players out of the same money pool?
I mean I know our coaches get paid thru the state of Arkansas (technically) but a large sum is offset thru the Razorback Foundation. Is the Razorback Foundation also paying players thru NIL donations?
Quote from: animal on Dec 06, 2024, 05:44 PMI'm still really confused about NIL. Can universities and/or their fund raising arms directly pay the coach and players out of the same money pool?
I mean I know our coaches get paid thru the state of Arkansas (technically) but a large sum is offset thru the Razorback Foundation. Is the Razorback Foundation also paying players thru NIL donations?
And what is the NIL? What company or entity is using anyone's name, image, or likeness for profit and advertising?
/sarc
Quote from: animal on Dec 06, 2024, 05:44 PMI'm still really confused about NIL. Can universities and/or their fund raising arms directly pay the coach and players out of the same money pool?
I mean I know our coaches get paid thru the state of Arkansas (technically) but a large sum is offset thru the Razorback Foundation. Is the Razorback Foundation also paying players thru NIL donations?
Not 100% sure either but on the surface it's a booster fund. If it can be used to help pay for a coach, I don't see how it couldn't pay for players.
my guess is that okie st would add it to the revenue sharing money somehow as long as it doesn't go over the 22% cap.
Gundy didn't accept the restructuring. Okie State fired him.
no one other than the sporting news reported that and they have pulled the story. dude has more lives than a cat.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 07:18 PMno one other than the sporting news reported that and they have pulled the story. dude has more lives than a cat.
He did spend one for wearing the wrong shirt once on his private time.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 06, 2024, 09:30 PMHe did spend one for wearing the wrong shirt once on his private time.
Is OAN still on the air? I know Directv dropped them.
Maybe Gundy could be Trump's Secretary of Offense.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1865506469564571841
Dang it.
Dowell to App State official per Brett McMurphy.
scott frost back to ucf.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 07, 2024, 08:34 AMMaybe Gundy could be Trump's Secretary of Offense.
That would be awesome. Just spend all day offending assholes who need to be offended.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 07, 2024, 05:08 PMDowell to App State official per Brett McMurphy.
Oh no, another one we missed out on! :sarcasm:
Purdue targeting Odom
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 08, 2024, 09:04 AMPurdue targeting Odom
terrible job, but money talks.
he obviously wanted out of vegas and as someone who lived there for 4 years, i don't blame him a bit.
still, i thought there might have been better opportunities even if he had to wait another year.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 08, 2024, 09:27 AMhe obviously wanted out of vegas and as someone who lived there for 4 years, i don't blame him a bit.
still, i thought there might have been better opportunities even if he had to wait another year.
Yeah, I don't think I would like living in West Lafayette, Indiana would be a garden spot.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 08, 2024, 09:27 AMhe obviously wanted out of vegas and as someone who lived there for 4 years, i don't blame him a bit.
still, i thought there might have been better opportunities even if he had to wait another year.
Wow - Purdue is gonna be a massive rebuild in the new big ten. Money better but the path to the playoff better in Vegas and if you make the playoff in Vegas then a better job than Purdue awaits.
I bet he won't have to ride a bull to raise money in west Lafayette
Does the oc go with him to Purdue or does he get the bump at UNLV.?
Well I think you can close the book on any dreams of Odom coming back to Arkansas or at least you can for a while. Oh dang. Whatever will we do.
Kick the can down the road maybe Lashlee is in play this time next season and might very well will be and will probably cost a lot more. It's possible that can got kicked because Lashlee wasn't going to bail on his SMU team to entertain a move to Arkansas. It's also probable that when they tell you they aren't doing anything because it's the fiscally responsible move to make that they are being serious
*This does not endorse Lashlee as my front runner for the Hogs next coach although history seems to repeat repeatedly and we keep fumbling getting the good coaches with Arkansas connections.
I'm telling you what the play is and it scared me right after I thought of it because I thought we were past it and it is quintessential Arkansas.
Sam has one more year and then he is gone. The Malzahnistas will make a play to bring Gus home. He quit at UCF for two reasons. One is he wouldn't be an attractive candidate at Arkansas if he had another rough year there. And two, he would have had a larger buyout as a head coach than as an OC. If FSU has an offensive resurgence next year, count on the NWA Malzahnista contingent to make a run.
And being Arkansas, we'll be all too happy to fund one more washed up coach's retirement.
Yep Odom is gone
https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1865771249437388972?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 08, 2024, 12:33 PMI'm telling you what the play is and it scared me right after I thought of it because I thought we were past it and it is quintessential Arkansas.
Sam has one more year and then he is gone. The Malzahnistas will make a play to bring Gus home. He quit at UCF for two reasons. One is he wouldn't be an attractive candidate at Arkansas if he had another rough year there. And two, he would have had a larger buyout as a head coach than as an OC. If FSU has an offensive resurgence next year, count on the NWA Malzahnista contingent to make a run.
And being Arkansas, we'll be all too happy to fund one more washed up coach's retirement.
either Gus or Tyson buys Butch Davis out of retirement.
Lashlee wasn't coming and such as hell isn't now.
Quote from: animal on Dec 08, 2024, 12:28 PMWell I think you can close the book on any dreams of Odom coming back to Arkansas or at least you can for a while. Oh dang. Whatever will we do.
Kick the can down the road maybe Lashlee is in play this time next season and might very well will be and will probably cost a lot more. It's possible that can got kicked because Lashlee wasn't going to bail on his SMU team to entertain a move to Arkansas. It's also probable that when they tell you they aren't doing anything because it's the fiscally responsible move to make that they are being serious
*This does not endorse Lashlee as my front runner for the Hogs next coach although history seems to repeat repeatedly and we keep fumbling getting the good coaches with Arkansas connections.
Lashlee just made the playoff at fucking SMU. No chance in hell he would leave for Arkansas now.
Dykes went to the NC game, and TCU fans would love to swap him out.
Lashlee may actually be at peak value right now. Continuing to win at SMU won't be easy.
Happy for Odom, felt he got short changed at Mizzou and he's a good guy and good coach.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Dec 08, 2024, 02:45 PMLashlee may actually be at peak value right now. Continuing to win at SMU won't be easy.
Why not? He's got plenty of NIL $$, great high school talent within close proximity of his campus, and he plays an easier schedule than he would in the SEC. He seems to have figured it out.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 08, 2024, 02:55 PMWhy not? He's got plenty of NIL $$, great high school talent within close proximity of his campus, and he plays an easier schedule than he would in the SEC. He seems to have figured it out.
agreed, they have money and he's made the playoff. That's gonna be big in recruiting. If they can win a playoff game, damn. Also with Baylor and TCU and Tech down - he will be 3 behind teasip and aggie.
Money is big though.
The one thing about Lashlee is that he is that quintessential young cocky guy who thinks he can do whatever he wants and succeed. I don't know if he loves the helmet, but if he does, he is the exact type who would think the can succeed at Arkansas where others failed and be the next Broyles.
I don't know if he thinks that way, but there are people out there who relish a challenge and thrive on trying to do whatever others tell them they can't. We need to search out and find one of those guys.
https://x.com/thestate/status/1864910173959025032
https://x.com/SportsDayDFW/status/1864881395635519831
holy shit - $1.9 million for an AD?
hunter to TCU ?
Purdue hires Barry Odom as head coach.
Quote from: Corn Pop on Dec 08, 2024, 04:53 PMPurdue hires Barry Odom as head coach.
9 posts above yours.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 08, 2024, 02:55 PMWhy not? He's got plenty of NIL $$, great high school talent within close proximity of his campus, and he plays an easier schedule than he would in the SEC. He seems to have figured it out.
Yeah, SMU has historically not had a problem with paying players.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 08, 2024, 02:55 PMWhy not? He's got plenty of NIL $$, great high school talent within close proximity of his campus, and he plays an easier schedule than he would in the SEC. He seems to have figured it out.
His agent has recently told people in LR that Rhett would be interested in our job if offered, and that SMU's NIL pool is not nearly what the public believes it to be.
A playoff appearance may change that.
Everyone is always interested in our job until they get a pay raise
I do like how Rhett carries himself on the sideline.
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 08, 2024, 06:58 PMEveryone is always interested in our job until they get a pay raise
Exactly. We are responsible for at least 10% of the college coaching pay scale.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 08, 2024, 07:28 PMI do like how Rhett carries himself on the sideline.
He looks good in the shower.
(Jerry Jones not SMH)
Gundy is pissed at OSU. His new DC is Todd Grantham.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Dec 08, 2024, 02:46 PMHappy for Odom, felt he got short changed at Mizzou and he's a good guy and good coach.
He was the Sam Pittman of Mizzou. Very similar results.
Another name for next December. Loves the helmet, or used to at least.
https://x.com/bymattjones/status/1865910328246112496?s=46&t=VKUX0KEsVDEwvBGk5nonyA
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 09:10 PMHe was the Sam Pittman of Mizzou. Very similar results.
Except Mizzou has actual standards snd canned his ass after four years and didn't blame the fanbase.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 08, 2024, 09:17 PMAnother name for next December. Loves the helmet, or used to at least.
https://x.com/bymattjones/status/1865910328246112496?s=46&t=VKUX0KEsVDEwvBGk5nonyA
"Had season tickets at War Memorial," is something I haven't heard in a long time.
Quote from: TC on Dec 08, 2024, 09:25 PM"Had season tickets at War Memorial," is something I haven't heard in a long time.
I admit I am not familiar with Joey McGuire. I will ask around.
Quote from: TC on Dec 08, 2024, 09:25 PM"Had season tickets at War Memorial," is something I haven't heard in a long time.
My parents were this way in the 80s. My mom's best friend lived and worked in Little Rock. The best games were usually down there. So they would make weekend trips out of it and stay with them.
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 09, 2024, 10:06 AMMy parents were this way in the 80s. My mom's best friend lived and worked in Little Rock. The best games were usually down there. So they would make weekend trips out of it and stay with them.
I had LR only tickets when I lived in El Dorado, at least up until 1997 or thereabouts.
I guess technically you can still get LR only season tickets...
Let's start the Pittman to the bears rumors.
While it is insane, the bears are poorly enough run to think it is a great idea if it can gain some internet buzz.
The o line guru can protect Caleb!
They could have hired harbaugh but hired ebberflus so they are not real bright.
The downside of course is Hunter will fall for it too and give Sam a new deal with golden handcuffs and whipped cream.
I am surprised Petrino's name has not been mentioned for UNLV
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 09, 2024, 10:06 AMMy parents were this way in the 80s. My mom's best friend lived and worked in Little Rock. The best games were usually down there. So they would make weekend trips out of it and stay with them.
We had LR only season tickets in the 70's through the early 90's. My Dad started getting them for both, my freshman year.
Carolina hires Belichek. 3 years- $30M
Rich Rod back to WV.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 11, 2024, 06:10 PMCarolina hires Belichek. 3 years- $30M
Looks like there's a run on old guys. Hunter better get to working on a raise, extension and buyout for our guy before someone steals him away.
Anybody but me think Belichek will never work in college? He can't control everything in college, like he did in the pros.
And I have asked around. Can't find anybody that knows Joey McGuire. Kinda odd.
It looks like it is a three year deal to set up a NFL-lite franchise. And I believe he going to have total control of the franchise. At least that is what he said he was going to do if he got a college job. Don't know if it will work, but it is interesting seeing someone doing something different.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 11, 2024, 08:08 PMAnybody but me think Belichek will never work in college? He can't control everything in college, like he did in the pros.
And I have asked around. Can't find anybody that knows Joey McGuire. Kinda odd.
I bet their NIL will jump substantially. People will assume that he knows how to deal with paid athletes and their egos.
I would think one would be going to UNC to play for Bill and to get developed for the NFL where the real money is as opposed to going to XYZ Tech to play for coach slapnuts because he offered you the most money and hope you have good enough stats and pro day to get to the NFL.
Like Deion there will be plenty of players who go to him so it's not like he'll have to recruit. not sure that NIL for those two needs to be as big as others.
I don't see it working out and I think the 20 hours per week rule will be an issue for him after the nfl.
Brady, Gronk, and Edleman talks about it on fox sunday - none of them thought bill would work out in college.
On To Syracuse!!!
Nah, new coaches have nothing to do with NIL.
https://x.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1866961856612753906
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 11, 2024, 08:08 PMCan't find anybody that knows Joey McGuire. Kinda odd.
Man, I know that dude; used to run around yelling, "Show me the money".
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 11, 2024, 09:20 PMNah, new coaches have nothing to do with NIL.
https://x.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1866961856612753906
not sure what you're trying to say. that was a demand he had before he took the job.
among other things he wanted a coaching staff and a recruiting staff, the head of which will get a buyout.
wow - did not see this one coming
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1867025024713933237
Rich Rod back to West Virignia
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1866988701726937336
also....
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1867018613095288963
Not sure if posted but :maundoed:
https://babylonbee.com/news/bill-belichick-agrees-to-unc-job-on-condition-he-can-live-in-girlfriends-dorm
"At publishing time, UNC officials had reportedly sweetened the deal by informing Belichick that he and his girlfriend could both eat near campus for low prices by combining her student discount with an early bird senior citizen meal."
Quote from: FNG on Dec 11, 2024, 09:34 PMMan, I know that dude; used to run around yelling, "Show me the money".
Is he your motherfucker? Do you love black people?
So, UNC is doing for football what Ark did for basketball by hiring a coach no one thinks they are worthy of and giving him a boatload of NIL $$ plus other demands.
These are the days where its legal to buy your program into relevancy.
It may not work, but it is interesting to see someone try something different instead of just doing the same old same old.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 12, 2024, 11:33 AMIt may not work, but it is interesting to see someone try something different instead of just doing the same old same old.
he's definitely going to try to bring the nfl model to college football. i have my doubts but yeah, it will be interesting to see.
We'll see how that works out for UNC...but we seem to be seeing where some programs that have been either doormats or at least close to it jump up and be competitive all because of throwing money at a problem and hoping it fixes things.
If Arkansas' trend continues it seems we're the opposite of spending fuck you money on football knowing money won't solve the problem so we do nothing. Ok well they did blame the fans and ask for more money that they won't spend.
Would it currently be legal to have kids sign a contract? Say a two year deal with player and/or team options? X amount guaranteed and x performance incentive?
not sure about the legality, but why would a player do that when he can transfer as many times as he wants and go to the highest bidder?
right now it would seem the only ones that would benefit from a contract are the marginal development guys.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2024, 12:29 PMnot sure about the legality, but why would a player do that when he can transfer as many times as he wants and go to the highest bidder?
Because you can't play unless you have a contract?
Not just anyone can walk up and play for the Houston Texans. It takes.....a contract.
With the new NCAA pay world, why shouldn't it be the same?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 12, 2024, 12:35 PMBecause you can't play unless you have a contract?
Not just anyone can walk up and play for the Houston Texans. It takes.....a contract.
With the new NCAA pay world, why shouldn't it be the same?
and what 4 or 5* is going to be constrained by a contract when he can go to another school and get what he wants?
the pros have contracts, collective bargaining, etc. because they are employees. like actual employees of the organization. college players right now are students.
And are the athletes employees
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2024, 12:42 PMand what 4 or 5* is going to be constrained by a contract when he can go to another school and get what he wants?
the pros have contracts, collective bargaining, etc. because they are employees. like actual employees of the organization. college players right now are students.
I'm talking about all schools. Not Arkansas unilaterally implementing contracts.
Got to get a GM and organizational staff to handle money and personnel issues. A guy like Sam is barely adequate at coach, but it's almost cruel to force him to deal with money and all that. Plus, I think it creates friction if a player believes a coach is the one not getting him paid. If we had a GM and personnel staff, the coach could be an advocate for his players getting paid.
I love Arkansas but we have always been kind of amateur hour on so many things. A school is going to need a slick professional outlook and presentation to compete nowadays. We need to spend way more on administration with football and other revenue sports. We should probably eliminate some non revenue sports to cover these costs.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2024, 12:29 PMnot sure about the legality, but why would a player do that when he can transfer as many times as he wants and go to the highest bidder?
right now it would seem the only ones that would benefit from a contract are the marginal development guys.
Injury, underperformance etc from an 18 yo kids perspective. Kid gets a 1 mil 2-3 year deal and could be more money than his family has ever seen in their life. Just seems like a lot of work on a lot of teams to rebuild a roster ever year with the whole team being possible free agents.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 12, 2024, 12:53 PMI'm talking about all schools. Not Arkansas unilaterally implementing contracts.
From what I understand the only way to implement that throughout the sport is collective bargaining.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 12, 2024, 03:35 PMFrom what I understand the only way to implement that throughout the sport is collective bargaining.
I think Tuberville has been trying to do it through legislation.
Regardless it has to happen, however.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 12, 2024, 03:41 PMI think Tuberville has been trying to do it through legislation.
Regardless it has to happen, however.
To fix it we need collective bargaining and transparency. Contracts that are enforceable, along with knowledge of how much everyone is being paid.
The same bleeding hearts who got us into the NIL mess will complain that it's nobody's business what the players are being paid. Tell that to every government employee whose salary gets released every year as part of some FOIA request. Because that's effectively what the players are now...employees, or at least independent contractors (who are also subject to having their prices released via FOIA...which is why I don't do government work).
And if the private schools don't want to make their data available, that's fine too. Make it a condition of being allowed into the CFP, March Madness, etc.
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Isn't there currently a prohibition against performance clauses tied to NIL money?
I don't think there should be, but I thought that's what I remembered hearing somewhere along the way.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 12, 2024, 07:35 PMIsn't there currently a prohibition against performance clauses tied to NIL money?
I don't think there should be, but I thought that's what I remembered hearing somewhere along the way.
yes. and i don't think performance clauses that penalize are something that will be a thing. nil has nothing to do with any contracts players have with the school that might (will) happen in the future.
pro contracts have nothing like that. you get a base and then incentives. do coaches give back salary for missing a bowl or the playoffs?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2024, 08:00 PMyes. and i don't think performance clauses that penalize are something that will be a thing. nil has nothing to do with any contracts players have with the school that might (will) happen in the future.
pro contracts have nothing like that. you get a base and then incentives. do coaches give back salary for missing a bowl or the playoffs?
Not performance per se, but opting out should definitely be cause for a pay cut.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 12, 2024, 03:44 PMemployees, or at least independent contractors (who are also subject to having their prices released via FOIA...which is why I don't do government work).
Just to clarify this...
You might be able to FOIA what might my company bills/charges the government for me (depending on the type of contract), but you can't FOIA what I make. For the record, my amount is MUCH less than what my company bills.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 12, 2024, 10:06 PMJust to clarify this...
You might be able to FOIA what might my company bills/charges the government for me (depending on the type of contract), but you can't FOIA what I make. For the record, my amount is MUCH less than what my company bills.
If you were an individual contractor like these players we could know your amount paid.
The players should be classified as employees if we are being honest.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 12, 2024, 03:44 PMTo fix it we need collective bargaining and transparency. Contracts that are enforceable, along with knowledge of how much everyone is being paid.
The same bleeding hearts who got us into the NIL mess will complain that it's nobody's business what the players are being paid. Tell that to every government employee whose salary gets released every year as part of some FOIA request. Because that's effectively what the players are now...employees, or at least independent contractors (who are also subject to having their prices released via FOIA...which is why I don't do government work).
And if the private schools don't want to make their data available, that's fine too. Make it a condition of being allowed into the CFP, March Madness, etc.
Don't have any issue with kids making money for NIL. That's not money in your pocket but was money either going to the foundation or school or under the table. It's the easy portal that's fucking shit up.
The game will settle down into an NFL developmental superconference, a midtier with less money, and on down to D3. End the rise of calling these players students. Make them 1099 contractors, Rev share can work towards a salary cap, install certified agents and have standardized contracts. Their education scholarship can be an additional perk included for those that want it. Get the nfl to help fund it; they need a developmental league as players aren't ready to play these days because of the simple game they play these days.
To me making them students is the last bit of leverage schools have to get better control on this. AND at some point the academic side of things is going to wake up and do something about this if they even can.
So enter "restricted free agent" into the chat. I think in the near future we'll have something like that. Some kind of terms and conditions within the NLI that designates that the school has the first right of refusal for the student-athlete to enter into the transfer portal (they own the rights to the player) and that the kid can transfer without restriction AFTER he/she has graduated and is otherwise restricted. The kid can "test the waters" but the parent school would have the rights to that player in order to match the offer. This could potentially even lead to agreed value trades. In return that student-athlete is guaranteed a full ride scholarship (must actually go to class) and a percentage of revenue allotment thru NIL based on performance on and off the field and/or perceived value entering the season. Hell let the kid decide when he signs his NLI what kid of NLI it will be. Performance vs Agreed Value.
There are so many ways to go with this and it all starts at the ground floor level. If you are a 5 star kid coming into a situation your leverage is going to be real good and therefore maybe you'd want a Performance based NLI where as a kid that's a 3 star maybe wants that Agreed Value deal. Hell I don't know I just think that's where this needs to go in some way.
if the players are employees, then of course their salaries will be made public. just like the coach's, ad, and everyone else employed by the school.
having players be 'student athletes' is not really leverage, it's how the schools and the ncaa hang on to their 501(c) status.
nil and performance. right now i can give money to the collective, designate which sport(s) it goes to, but i can't choose which player(s) or in any way put in performance stipulations. that's true of all the collectives. they are separate entity from the school. they give the money to the players, but because is a collective, can't put any performance 'clause' in it. again, there's nothing like that in pro sports other than incentives, so why would college be any different? and how in the hell would that be brought about? nil and revenue sharing are and will be two separate things.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 13, 2024, 09:03 AMif the players are employees, then of course their salaries will be made public. just like the coach's, ad, and everyone else employed by the school.
having players be 'student athletes' is not really leverage, it's how the schools and the ncaa hang on to their 501(c) status.
nil and performance. right now i can give money to the collective, designate which sport(s) it goes to, but i can't choose which player(s) or in any way put in performance stipulations. that's true of all the collectives. they are separate entity from the school. they give the money to the players, but because is a collective, can't put any performance 'clause' in it. again, there's nothing like that in pro sports other than incentives, so why would college be any different? and how in the hell would that be brought about? nil and revenue sharing are and will be two separate things.
Can't say they are employees. That would open a whole bunch of issues like worker's compensation and retirement benefits, etc.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 13, 2024, 10:27 AMCan't say they are employees. That would open a whole bunch of issues like worker's compensation and retirement benefits, etc.
Workmen's compensation would be an issue.
I guess they would be eligible for state retirement, but that would likely be a moot point as they wouldn't have enough time as athletes alone to vest.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 13, 2024, 10:27 AMCan't say they are employees. That would open a whole bunch of issues like worker's compensation and retirement benefits, etc.
True. They could also be fired.
Count their scholarships as income, which it should be.
Seriously a full ride scholarship, health care, meals, board, books, tutors, swag, weight room and training facilities, coaching, etc and they need to be paid to attend a school with no ties to actual athletic performance on their part, just show up, right?
We have lost our minds.
What's a 9 year education worth these days anyways About a Million at the very least?
Quote from: animal on Dec 13, 2024, 03:17 PMWhat's a 9 year education worth these days anyways About a Million at the very least?
You'd have to ask Dorkula. He spent more time in college than MD's.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 13, 2024, 03:14 PMCount their scholarships as income, which it should be.
Seriously a full ride scholarship, health care, meals, board, books, tutors, swag, weight room and training facilities, coaching, etc and they need to be paid to attend a school with no ties to actual athletic performance on their part, just show up, right?
We have lost our minds.
The system is crazy at the moment, but I've got zero issues with players getting a cut of the grand riches of the game which their labors provide. Let's get real. These aren't real students. You want that watch D3 ball. These players have in many cases been pushed thru the education system for performance, then go to school on faux scholarships to get bullshit jackoff degrees. Let's end the charade and treat them as simply hired help, and make them 1099 contractors. They want to go to school fine. Give them a scholarship for when playing days are over.
The other good news is that there was zero way for Arkansas to become a powerful program in the old ways. No way that Arkansas could grow enough homegrown talent and recruit enough out of state talent, to compete.
With NIL though and the portal you get the right coaches and recruiting staff, drive in the bucks, and you can buy the talent to be fucking Alabama.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 15, 2024, 12:26 AMThe system is crazy at the moment, but I've got zero issues with players getting a cut of the grand riches of the game which their labors provide. Let's get real. These aren't real students. You want that watch D3 ball. These players have in many cases been pushed thru the education system for performance, then go to school on faux scholarships to get bullshit jackoff degrees. Let's end the charade and treat them as simply hired help, and make them 1099 contractors. They want to go to school fine. Give them a scholarship for when playing days are over.
The other good news is that there was zero way for Arkansas to become a powerful program in the old ways. No way that Arkansas could grow enough homegrown talent and recruit enough out of state talent, to compete.
With NIL though and the portal you get the right coaches and recruiting staff, drive in the bucks, and you can buy the talent to be fucking Alabama.
I agree they deserve a slice of the money they help generate - tv, bowl, etc - that is fair and warranted.
My issue is the schools expecting/wanting the fans/boosters to provide the money to pay them.
Hunter wants me to help pay the QB then pay for the right to buy tickets and then buy the tickets to watch the qb play. And there is no requirement of the qb to do anything but show up to get my money.
This is the same leadership who gave Sam a contract that automatically extends one year with a 7th win including a bowl game which would be 13 games - like this year - in which the coach is rewarded despite the team losing 6 games.
What business rewards a salesman for keeping any clients but losing 6?
College athletics is big business that has never operated like a business. It has always been spend, spend, spend with no accountability or respect for the fan/ booster's money.
You don't see Jerry asking the fans to pay the salary of dak, cede, and Micah.
With every game being broadcast on television, I don't understand why anyone pays the price of attending a game.
Send that money to the collective and give Arkansas a chance to win.
The first thing that needs to be fixed is the portal. The financial compensation can be worked out later.
No coach in the current model can do any kind of long-range strategic planning because they have no idea what their roster will be from one season to the next. Redshirt years to add weight, strength and improve position technique will be/are a thing of the past.
Go back to a system where a player gets only gets a "free" transfer in the case of a change in the HC. Otherwise, a transfer requires the player to sit out one year if out of conference and two years if in conference. Poaching coaches will be much less likely to pay players to sit a year or two and players will certainly not want to sit for free. Disgruntled players will have to compete in practice for a starting position rather than half-assing it until the next portal opening.
Coaches/GMs will be able to budget player compensation and target team needs more efficiently and High School recruiting will become more of a priority once again.
Now, get off my lawn.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 15, 2024, 09:29 AMThe first thing that needs to be fixed is the portal. The financial compensation can be worked out later.
No coach in the current model can do any kind of long-range strategic planning because they have no idea what their roster will be from one season to the next. Redshirt years to add weight, strength and improve position technique will be/are a thing of the past.
Go back to a system where a player gets only gets a "free" transfer in the case of a change in the HC. Otherwise, a transfer requires the player to sit out one year if out of conference and two years if in conference. Poaching coaches will be much less likely to pay players to sit a year or two and players will certainly not want to sit for free. Disgruntled players will have to compete in practice for a starting position rather than half-assing it until the next portal opening.
Coaches/GMs will be able to budget player compensation and target team needs more efficiently and High School recruiting will become more of a priority once again.
Now, get off my lawn.
I'd allow one free transfer as an undergrad, with none allowed to teams on your current school's schedule. Graduates would have no restrictions...if they get a degree they've earned the right to move as they please.
The biggest issue with the money is not that they get any, or who is being asked to pay for it. The problem is that they get it without conditions and no contractual limitations.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 15, 2024, 11:10 AMI'd allow one free transfer as an undergrad, with none allowed to teams on your current school's schedule. Graduates would have no restrictions...if they get a degree they've earned the right to move as they please.
The biggest issue with the money is not that they get any, or who is being asked to pay for it. The problem is that they get it without conditions and no contractual limitations.
A commitment from a HS/JuCo player should be taken literally. I am committing myself to your team in exchange for free room, board, education (and now money). There should be a penalty if I decide not to honor my commitment.
As for a freebie, I agree that graduate students have fulfilled their obligations to a school. I also would not be opposed to a player that discovers his talent level is not commensurate with his current Division receiving a free transfer if he transferred "up" or "down" but lateral transfers should require one or two year waiting periods depending on whether the player transfers out of or remains within his conference respectively.
As you stated, the kids are now receiving money with no contractual obligations to perform a service and, evidently, putting that genie back into the bottle is not an easy thing to do. If college football is going to retain any structural stability it looks like it will have to be through regulation of the transfer portal.
since all the conditions of the settlement haven't been completely agreed upon, the transfer portal could be addressed in it. from the looks of it, the first year will be a shitshow, but those that have to deal with it think it will settle down after that. keep in mind that the house settling is nil money. also it won't be the ncaa enforcing any oversight.
"As noted in Dellenger's story, the negotiated media contracts (NIL) would be signed by a prospective player along with their grant in aid from the university and could include language regarding compensation, number of years, and even address a buyout should the player choose to transfer to another university."
pretty good article:
https://floridastate.rivals.com/news/house-ncaa-settlement-could-clean-up-wild-west-of-nil
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1868661207370264690?t=OPTrMiSPKKG3266hmFWQZQ&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1868661207370264690?t=OPTrMiSPKKG3266hmFWQZQ&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 16, 2024, 08:35 AMhttps://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1868661207370264690?t=OPTrMiSPKKG3266hmFWQZQ&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1868661207370264690?t=OPTrMiSPKKG3266hmFWQZQ&s=19)
I was just coming here to post this. Isn't this similar to what Mike Gundy did? Have we reached a tipping point where coaches are willing to donate a part of their millions to their programs to essentially help them keep their jobs by making the team better?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 16, 2024, 08:54 AMI was just coming here to post this. Isn't this similar to what Mike Gundy did? Have we reached a tipping point where coaches are willing to donate a part of their millions to their programs to essentially help them keep their jobs by making the team better?
Smart coaches who are somewhat desperate are doing this.
ADs who should be desperate but aren't should be forcing their underperforming coaches to do the same.
It's worth noting that both Gundy and Norvell have far more onerous buyouts than Pittman, and are almost certainly more hireable elsewhere should they lose their current gigs. Sam has apparently chosen the "fuck you, fire me if you don't like me" path rather than "lets work together to make the program better."
And in fairness to Sam, it likely never crossed Hunter's mind to suggest it. Sam may have been all in on something like this for all we know.
when you're making $10 million a year and you just had the 2nd largest one year drop in wins ever, then giving some of your salary back is a great pr move.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 16, 2024, 08:54 AMI was just coming here to post this. Isn't this similar to what Mike Gundy did? Have we reached a tipping point where coaches are willing to donate a part of their millions to their programs to essentially help them keep their jobs by making the team better?
He obviously wasn't a coach but didn't Brady do this at New England?
Quote from: Zoso on Dec 16, 2024, 12:10 PMHe obviously wasn't a coach but didn't Brady do this at New England?
I believe he did, and he's not the only player that has. A number of players, both football and baseball, have allowed there contracts to be restructured over the years to give the teams more money to work with.
Quote from: Zoso on Dec 16, 2024, 12:10 PMHe obviously wasn't a coach but didn't Brady do this at New England?
Brady made substantially less than his peers; his last contracts were $25 mil a year. He bought into the patriots way and wanted to win. It helps if your wife is Giselle making a jillion bucks. Now he's getting $37.5 from Fox.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 16, 2024, 08:59 AMSmart coaches who are somewhat desperate are doing this.
ADs who should be desperate but aren't should be forcing their underperforming coaches to do the same.
It's worth noting that both Gundy and Norvell have far more onerous buyouts than Pittman, and are almost certainly more hireable elsewhere should they lose their current gigs. Sam has apparently chosen the "fuck you, fire me if you don't like me" path rather than "lets work together to make the program better."
And in fairness to Sam, it likely never crossed Hunter's mind to suggest it. Sam may have been all in on something like this for all we know.
Hunter and Sam could both do it.
Seriously, Hunter is making $1.8 mill and Sam is making $6 mill.
yet they are asking us for money. that's rich. put your money where your mouth is boy.
both have been here 6 years and have earned over let's say $8 million in that time. if they have managed their money (yea that is risky but I would hope they aren't living paycheck to paycheck) then it's not like they couldn't afford to give back a little.
As of December 2024, the average salary in Arkansas is $52,798 per year, or $25 per hour:
Top earners: $80,751 per year, or $38 per hour
75th percentile: $66,479 per year, or $32 per hour
25th percentile: $39,117 per year, or $19 per hour
Most businesses in a similar situation would be eliminating jobs and cuttings salaries would they not?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 16, 2024, 12:53 PMI believe he did, and he's not the only player that has. A number of players, both football and baseball, have allowed there contracts to be restructured over the years to give the teams more money to work with.
I believe I remember Romo and Aikman doing the same thing.
Fat Nutt out at Dallas
Quote from: dhog on Jan 13, 2025, 11:40 AMFat Nutt out at Dallas
Wonder if they want a great value nutt?
Quote from: dhog on Jan 13, 2025, 11:40 AMFat Nutt out at Dallas
Damn. I thought he was doing a fine job.
Quote from: dhog on Jan 13, 2025, 11:40 AMFat Nutt out at Dallas
To be clear he was not fired. Jerry made him an offer, Mike chose to tell him to pound sand.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 13, 2025, 10:37 PMTo be clear he was not fired. Jerry made him an offer, Mike chose to tell him to pound sand.
If Jerry offered him more than $13.50 an hour and a Golden Corral buffet pass he offered way more than Fat Nutt is worth.
Quote from: RPL on Jan 13, 2025, 10:04 PMDamn. I thought he was doing a fine job.
The Foreskins win their first playoff game since the GW Bush administration and you get all uppity.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2025, 07:48 AMIf Jerry offered him more than $13.50 an hour and a Golden Corral buffet pass he offered way more than Fat Nutt is worth.
Throw in a jelly of the month membership and I'll do it. It's the gift that keeps on giving
Quote from: Hognrock on Jan 14, 2025, 08:16 AMThrow in a jelly of the month membership and I'll do it. It's the gift that keeps on giving
All year long
Surely Jerrah won't come calling on BMFP.
Jerry likes familiarity so I wouldn't be surprised if he went after Kellen Moore
Or maybe it's time for primetime, if full on dementia has taken over.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2025, 07:49 AMThe Foreskins win their first playoff game since the GW Bush administration and you get all uppity.
:rofl:
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 16, 2024, 12:53 PMI believe he did, and he's not the only player that has. A number of players, both football and baseball, have allowed there contracts to be restructured over the years to give the teams more money to work with.
Big differences in restructuring and accepting less money, at least in terms of managing an nfl cap.
Brady took less money, far less than what the market would pay him, to give the team more cap.
A restructuring of an existing contract is not costing a player a dime. Two basic scenarios. Convert salary to bonus. Say you have 3 years left on contract at $10 mil a year. We need space. Convert this years salary to bonus. Player gets $10 mill up front. But the cap hit now spreads over life of contract, so I made $7 mill of cap space as the bonus now adds $3.3 mill to each year.
The stupid thing teams like Cowboys do is add void years, which don't obligate player but allow team to spread further into future. So that $10 mil adds 2 void years and so it gets spread as $2 mil a year over 5. So if Dak has not been extended on that stupid contract, and left, Jerry had three void years on Dak that all accelerate to 2025. That would have been $40+ mil in dead cap.
TJ Cleveland hired to A&M staff.