We're a 2.5 point dog so I'm assuming Aidoo is still out.
3PM CBS
They also beat Little Rock by about 30 more points than we did.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 28, 2024, 11:22 AMThey also beat Little Rock by about 30 more points than we did.
We also beat the Maryland Tail Waters by 30 more than they did. Comparing scores will make your head bleed.
This should be a good game.
the z twins face off.
comparing scores doesn't mean much this early.
We'll see how good our defense really is today.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2024, 11:33 AMthe z twins face off.
comparing scores doesn't mean much this early.
Yall are right, I just think maybe it played into them being slightly favored. Hopefully Nelly and Knox can hit some shots for us again today.
despite our shooting woes at times, the defense has been pretty good.
hopefully brazile can stay in the game longer. chin said he got winded last game because of not being able to practice and tapped out a couple of times.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2024, 11:59 AMdespite our shooting woes at times, the defense has been pretty good.
hopefully brazile can stay in the game longer. chin said he got winded last game because of not being able to practice and tapped out a couple of times.
That's what worries me about Aidoo. He hasn't really played since September. Even if he's healthy it's gonna take him time to get in shape.
It's 3.5 now and about to hit 4. Do we have anyone else out?
Make that 4.5. Not encouraging.
Illini are pretty good. I don't think the betters no what to expect from us which is understandable.
Good sign
https://x.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1862211891910648002?t=VbLIAROo6keOGXwq8BKjDw&s=19 (https://x.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1862211891910648002?t=VbLIAROo6keOGXwq8BKjDw&s=19)
https://x.com/ARHoopScoop/status/1862234027341512898?t=URjF0o0deqvB0iYEIGxOmg&s=19 (https://x.com/ARHoopScoop/status/1862234027341512898?t=URjF0o0deqvB0iYEIGxOmg&s=19)
Hell yes. Line is coming back down too.
re-edit: looks like the football game might make us miss the tip.
Detroit vs Chicago is going to go to overtime. Furk...
So if this NFL game goes to ot, what channel will we start on?
Correct. We need the Bears to Munson this.
thank god for da bears.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2024, 02:59 PMthank god for da bears.
That's why head coaching matters.
And the Bears fricked it all up, on to basketball
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2024, 02:59 PMthank god for da bears.
Bears really fucked that up
Has our game started?
3:11 tip. they gotta give the nfl crew some facetime.
holy fucking commercials.
now i remember why games on cbs took so long.
when do they start raining 3s on us?
i'd say right about now.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 28, 2024, 03:18 PMwhen do they start raining 3s on us?
shit yes I am jinx
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Nov 28, 2024, 03:06 PMHas our game started?
I mean we're on the court, but...
Have we bought one of those dribbling super computers yet?
we are not good
Bold strategy to spot them 11
I wonder how John Tyson is feeling right now
Aidoo went through shootaround. Maybe we get some minutes from him today.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 28, 2024, 03:26 PMI wonder how John Tyson is feeling right now
Dude we're 4 minutes into the game, chill.
Every game I watch we look like shit. Guess I should stop watching us on the teevee.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Nov 28, 2024, 03:27 PMEvery game I watch we look like shit. Guess I should stop watching us on the teevee.
I thought it was just me
Hey, we are actually moving without the ball.
Sadly, we still can't shoot
Can anyone drive to the basket? Too many 3s
We are picking up a bunch of fouls. Might be a problem with our short bench.
this is embarrassing
They seem to be having no issues shooting the three ball. Our guys can hit leaners in the lane
Maybe it is all on HogFan58
Some of you guys act like you've never seen a basketball game before. One run and we're back in this.
We've got to cut down on TOs though. We had Davis ooen on the left wing and we pass it to Richmond for 3. Got to make better decisions. Defense is much better the last 5 mins.
Kentucky is going to beat us by 30 just to prove a point
even the white chick scoring on us
Our highest paid player isn't giving us shit.
Boogie has been fucking awful.
This is surgical and painful.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 28, 2024, 03:44 PMSome of you guys act like you've never seen a basketball game before. One run and we're back in this.
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I'm not sure how many 3s Illinois has but it is a bunch, and we don't have any. Fland is 1-7 from the field.
No one else can hit either.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 28, 2024, 03:59 PMI'm not sure how many 3s Illinois has but it is a bunch, and we don't have any. Fland is 1-7 from the field.
No one else can hit either.
They're 7-12 and we're 0-7. They also have 9 assists on 12 made FG.
9-15 is quite the half from 3.
We are not playing well but Illinois is favored by the refs
They can't miss and we're playing like shit. Bad combo.
They keep letting them push off
Does Davis serve any purpose?
We just need to get the new practice facility built
0-7 from 3, 8 turnovers and 4 assists. davis with 1 shot and fland is our leading rebounder.
surprised the score isn't a lot worse.
The roster and staff have changed but this is like watching last year's team
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 28, 2024, 04:19 PMThe roster and staff have changed but this is like watching last year's team
I think last years team would beat this team.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 28, 2024, 04:19 PMThe roster and staff have changed but this is like watching last year's team
So getting more talented players may NOT be the simple answer?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 28, 2024, 04:23 PMSo getting more talented players may NOT be the simple answer?
Fire Cal!
We just need more talent and NIL.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 28, 2024, 04:23 PMSo getting more talented players may NOT be the simple answer?
All you have to do is throw a ton of money at a big name coach and pay big name players, right?
Or maybe that only works in football ...
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 04:29 PMWe just need more talent and NIL.
our practice facilities are clearly inferior.
Ouch
https://x.com/hogstats/status/1862259727331135547?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 04:29 PMWe just need more talent and NIL.
Yep, we could use buying another shooter.
You're such a fucking idiot.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 28, 2024, 04:16 PMDoes Davis serve any purpose?
He plants himself on the wing or in the corner and doesn't move. Cal wants him to be a "sniper" but he's not that guy.
https://x.com/pinto479/status/1862259674931745243
Clearly our best 3 point shooter is our 7'2" guy.
Arkansas basketball in a single sentence.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 04:32 PMYep, we could use buying another shooter.
You're such a fucking idiot.
You need to pony up. It's all about the players man.
We're not playing great but Illinois is just stupid from beyond the arc
I contribute to NIL. Do you?
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 28, 2024, 04:53 PMWe're not playing great but Illinois is just stupid from beyond the arc
We couldn't play wprse and they couldn't play better yet spotting them 11 is the difference.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 04:53 PMI contribute to NIL. Do you?
Clearly not enough. You're going to need to step it up. We need more talent. Talent rules all.
Who said this team was good defensively?
We cannot stop the ball drive. It's been that way all year against good competition.
I'm more worried about on ball defense than the shooting.
Looks like another long season.
It'd be nice if for once we could be the team unconscious from the floor. We're shooting nearly 50% overall but we're 4/15 from deep while they're 13/26. Good to see some things never change regardless of who the coach is or who the players are. Early season games against P5 opponents are just not our thing.
I haven't lost faith in the season, though. Once again the 3 ball is going to be the reason we lose, just like Baylor. That can be fixed, as can perimeter defense. Cal has been saying all along that there's gonna be some growing pains and that's exactly what this looks like. Thiero is a dawg, though.
Illinois can't miss so it probably wouldn't matter today anyway, but give Johnell's minutes to Richmond until he's no longer "hurt". Richmond plays like he actually gives a shit since it's his turn for the bag.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 04:59 PMClearly not enough. You're going to need to step it up. We need more talent. Talent rules all.
I know you're trying to make a point here but I honestly have no idea what the fuck it is.
Also we got the worse Ivisic.
I take that as a no. You have no right to complain.
I'm guessing you've never played sports at a very high level.
You think you can consistently win with inferior talent. That is the dumbest take of all.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 28, 2024, 05:07 PMI know you're trying to make a point here but I honestly have no idea what the fuck it is.
He thinks you can have Phil Jackson coach A State and be guaranteed a title. Having better players don't matter if you have an excellent coach.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 05:09 PMI take that as a no. You have no right to complain.
I'm guessing you've never played sports at a very high level.
You think you can consistently win with inferior talent. That is the dumbest take of all.
I give. I'm also not a tee shirt alumnus. Not sure what you're trying to say here. You think our talent is inferior?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 05:12 PMI give. I'm also not a tee shirt alumnus. Not sure what you're trying to say here. You think our talent is inferior?
In football, hell yes.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 05:11 PMHe thinks you can have Phil Jackson coach A State and be guaranteed a title. Having better players don't matter if you have an excellent coach.
Holy straw men, Batman.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 05:13 PMIn football, hell yes.
Why are talking about football in a basketball thread?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 05:13 PMHoly straw men, Batman.
I thought you just need a better coach? One that focuses on the details.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 05:14 PMI thought you just need a better coach? One that focuses on the details.
Details matter, sir.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 05:13 PMWhy are talking about football in a basketball thread?
Because you are referencing my statement on the football program.
Same old stuff. We get an opportunity to change the momentum and we miss the open three and give up something easy.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 28, 2024, 05:13 PMWhy are talking about football in a basketball thread?
At least we are not talking about practice (facility).
https://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI
Big Z has got to take care of the ball.
Went to sleep on the white guy and he drills a 3.
We aren't even guarding the 3.
Illinois makes 12 a game and we don't even get a hand in their face.
That's a disaster.
No idea what we are trying to stop on defense today.
That was a dagger straight to the heart.
If I had a nickel for every time I thought "WTF are you doing?!" In this game I'd be able to buy the board a round.
In the words of the great Nick Starkel, "this team is ass, bro."
Indiana was ranked 14th and got run out by about 30. We have some work to do, but I still like this team. Illinois had their day shooting. We only seem to have our hot games playing shitty teams.
Are we moving on the baseball yet?
Don't spot them 11 out of the gate...
If only we had a veteran savvy guard that could get buckets when you really need it
I guess we aren't serious about basketball either...
Tired of coach playing the Hogs saying: "Man, we haven't been making shots but today we couldn't miss".
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 05:27 PMDon't spot them 11 out of the gate...
Still would've lost.
We can't shoot the 3. In this day of college basketball that's a killer. It's probably the thing you cannot afford the most.
Illinois has shooters, the coach built his team around the 3. They make 12 a game.
Not gonna lie, that game bummed me out. Illinois is not a great team but they shot lights out. Alabama beat this time by 13 and scored 100 points. Illinois had an answer for every single small run we made. Get it under ten, and then you look up and it's back to 15. Our veteran shooter took a whopping 3 shots and made one. Aidoo is obviously still not 100%, or just not even close to being game ready conditioning wise. Fland couldn't buy a bucket. The season is far from over but I'm ready to start winning these early season high profile matchups. I'm tired of looking up and seeing the second coming of Steph Curry on the other team.
One thing is for certain: exhibition games between top 3 teams don't mean shit.
Quote from: animal on Nov 28, 2024, 05:29 PMIf only we had a veteran savvy guard that could get buckets when you really need it
I have no idea what we're doing with Davis.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2024, 05:39 PMI have no idea what we're doing with Davis.
I don't understand how Cal could watch tape of him at FAU and now he thinks "that guy needs to be our sniper" that's not his game. He needs the ball in his hands to score off the dribble but so do Boogie and Wagner so I don't know what you do there.
I'd run theough him over Wagner when Boogie is out. He can get to the rim
and make mid range shots.
He had 6 assists today but he HAS to take more than 3 shots a game.
i'd start richmond even tho he's not a true guard. let davis come off the bench like notae did.
I agree on bringing Davis off the bench. Let him be in that Notae instant offense role as sixth man.
So, as per norm, looks like the concensus of the woopig "brain" trust is that we suck.
Eh, I for one have ZERO worries about this team. We're gonna win a LOT of games.
* stupid ass voice to text. How does it totally leave out the word win?
Gonna what a lot of games???
;D
Gonna play all of 'em! Right, Rick?
We'll be fine...there's legit talent on this team and they don't play like a bunch of dicks. I don't think we are a TOP 25 team right now but I do think we have TOP 10 talent. It's just got to come together.
This isn't last years' team...most of those guys were only high stat guys because they came from shitty teams and were brought together to create a super shitty team. That might have been the most forgettable roster in my adult life.
I do agree Davis coming off the bench and having him have the ball in his hands when he comes in and maybe rotate the 3 guards instead of playing them all at once. You can slide #3 into that small forward role and have Brazile or Adoo starting to provide some more length. Richmond III to me looks like he's ahead of schedule. I figure Knox is going to get a lot better.
We have to get better at defending the 3 and we must protect the ball.
I don't think Cal is nearly prone to juggling lineups the way Mus did though.
I still really like this team. New coach, new team...gonna be some growing pains.
Richmond is my favorite player.
We will beat Miami and Michigan.
Quote from: TC on Nov 28, 2024, 09:28 PMI still really like this team. New coach, new team...gonna be some growing pains.
Richmond is my favorite player.
Really liking Theiro's game.
Muss's best teams looked like shit until the first of the year. I ain't worried. Yet.
Quote from: PorkyPig on Nov 29, 2024, 07:30 AMMuss's best teams looked like shit until the first of the year. I ain't worried. Yet.
I mean, last year we beat Purdue and Duke. Where did that get us?
Quote from: PorkyPig on Nov 29, 2024, 07:30 AMMuss's best teams looked like shit until the first of the year. I ain't worried. Yet.
Muss scored 36 points last night 0-12 from 3. Stan Heath would be proud.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 29, 2024, 07:41 AMMuss scored 36 points last night 0-12 from 3. Stan Heath would be proud.
Still at his age that's not bad
Quote from: animal on Nov 29, 2024, 07:52 AMStill at his age that's not bad
Especially since he's 5'6".
All those pickup games at the frat houses are paying off.
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 28, 2024, 10:57 PMReally liking Theiro's game.
Same. It's a game you can count on night in and night out.
https://x.com/robdauster/status/1862579089367773248
Kentucky fans are some of the most butt hurt people on the planet.
I'll be honest - i'm on the fence because I am sick and tired of everyone stand behind the 3 point line and pass the ball around (from heath to now it's been what 20 years of this shit) . someone set a frickin' screen, a pick and roll, ball screen, something that looks there is a offensive plan involving 2 or more players. it's boring.
at least muss would run some picks and exploit a mismatch on occasion.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 30, 2024, 01:39 AMhttps://x.com/robdauster/status/1862579089367773248
They're not wrong. Big Z is BBQ chicken when he has to switch on a pick and roll.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 08:45 AMI'll be honest - i'm on the fence because I am sick and tired of everyone stand behind the 3 point line and pass the ball around (from heath to now it's been what 20 years of this shit) . someone set a frickin' screen, a pick and roll, ball screen, something that looks there is a offensive plan involving 2 or more players. it's boring.
at least muss would run some picks and exploit a mismatch on occasion.
I'd say we have more motion in our offense this year than any year under Muss. We've gotten good looks all year. I can't think of a game where we had bad shot selection. Under Muss we routinely had to chuck up a shot late in the shot clock. Not much of that this year.
Turnovers are my concern. We had 8 in the first half against IL and only 3 in the second. We outscored IL in the 2nd.
We lost the game the first 4 mins when we went cold. We played them even the rest of the way even with them making 15 threes. Cal made the comment postgame that Z struggles in PnR which is evident.
This team has talent but lacks chemistry. I think our play right now is our floor. We have guys injured and haven't played together. You have to think that will improve only playing 9. Time will tell.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 08:45 AMI'll be honest - i'm on the fence because I am sick and tired of everyone stand behind the 3 point line and pass the ball around (from heath to now it's been what 20 years of this shit) . someone set a frickin' screen, a pick and roll, ball screen, something that looks there is a offensive plan involving 2 or more players. it's boring.
at least muss would run some picks and exploit a mismatch on occasion.
I've seen lots of games where no offensive player is 20 feet from the basket. Not too many offensive rebounds from that.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2024, 08:45 AMI'll be honest - i'm on the fence because I am sick and tired of everyone stand behind the 3 point line and pass the ball around (from heath to now it's been what 20 years of this shit) . someone set a frickin' screen, a pick and roll, ball screen, something that looks there is a offensive plan involving 2 or more players. it's boring.
at least muss would run some picks and exploit a mismatch on occasion.
Said this are thing a million times. Run a figure eight outside the three point line and we jacks up a three. Screw that. Run some plays to get inside.
You guys realize we shoot less threes that probably 90% of the country right?
We drive to the basket more than we do anything else. Thierro, DJ, Richmond, and Boogie get to the rim each game.
We needed to shoot way more threes vs Illinois to have a chance in that game.
After our poor start, probably. From the point it was 11-0, the game was played the rest of the away between us being up 2 to them being up 6. That's just a 3 possession swing which tells you the games was evenly played even with them making a lot of 3's.