Marcus Singleton is entering the portal. Not unexpected, and who knows what's driving it other than a lack of playing time in the face of Taylon green's struggles. I think we're losing the best qb we have. I wonder though if it's triggered by retaining Sam. Or bmfp either leaving or staying.
Yes, we will truly miss Marcus Singleton. It is almost as if that person were never here.
Not surprised to see Singleton move on...he's gonna get a shot in a P4 league I feel. If Petrino ends up taking a HC job I won't be surprised if Singleton gets picked up by him as I imagine he would start at Charlotte. That being said I'm not sure he really fits the criteria Petrino prefers which is someone 6-4+/210+...I imagine he does like not stupid QBs and Singleton struck me as someone that wasn't nearly as much of an idiot as Green.
The other portal guys that I know about are...
Wiggins (Center that was a little used backup)
Dozier (WR, couldn't break into the rotation)
Washington (TE, suspended)
Gumms (TE, suspended)
Early season portaler, but Jaedon Wilson is another.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 02, 2024, 06:22 PMYes, we will truly miss Marcus Singleton. It is almost as if that person were never here.
As long as we don't lose Brandon Russell, this one won't hurt as much.
Russell's inexplicable absences from games is going to probably push him into the portal. Sam has an old school loyalty to older players regardless of talent below them and will play them instead of younger better talent. Stupid attitude in this new paradigm. Why stay here for a coach who has no clue that I'm playing or not.
I forget where, but I saw somewhere today that Cam Ball is staying.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 02, 2024, 09:06 PMI forget where, but I saw somewhere today that Cam Ball is staying.
He tried to leave, but couldn't get past the block.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 02, 2024, 09:30 PMHe tried to leave, but couldn't get past the block.
Someone left a Lego outside of his dorm room door?
I also saw that Xavian Sorey is staying. That's good.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 02, 2024, 09:35 PMI also saw that Xavian Sorey is staying. That's good.
Sorey to hear that.
Maybe Bobby's trip to Charlotte was a secret mission to summon a Demon
https://x.com/TransferPortal_/status/1863618339660054915
I'm sorry to see Singleton move on simply because it means his mom will go too.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 08:14 AMI'm sorry to see Singleton move on simply because it means his mom will go too.
TPIWWP.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 08:41 AMhttps://x.com/MargaretJ05
Damn. Truly a loss to the program. If he transfers to Charlotte we know Petrino is gone.
looks like they're going to have to restock the wr room. have eight returners but apparently a few are on their way out.
petrino will be talking with sam mbake today.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 03, 2024, 08:54 AMlooks like they're going to have to restock the wr room. have eight returners but apparently a few are on their way out.
petrino will be talking with sam mbake today.
https://247sports.com/player/samuel-mbake-46094197/
Dude just never left the launching pad due to injuries I assume.
Quote from: animal on Dec 03, 2024, 10:09 AMhttps://247sports.com/player/samuel-mbake-46094197/
Dude just never left the launching pad due to injuries I assume.
#1 JUCO receiver though. May not be a bad (re)pickup.
his head wasn't right is what i thought. not to make light of it, but he was having issues if i remember correctly.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 03, 2024, 10:18 AMhis head wasn't right is what i thought. not to make light of it, but he was having issues if i remember correctly.
I could be completely misremembering this, but weren't the coaches extremely high on him during spring and fall practice in 2023 before he got hurt?
he was dismissed from the team. thought pittman said he had to work thru some things.
but yes, they were very high on him. solid 4* coming out of hs.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 03, 2024, 10:27 AMhe was dismissed from the team. thought pittman said he had to work thru some things.
but yes, they were very high on him. solid 4* coming out of hs.
Damn, we have a bunch of busts on highly ranked recruits.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 03, 2024, 10:18 AMhis head wasn't right is what i thought. not to make light of it, but he was having issues if i remember correctly.
That's what I recall as well. Got into it with teammates or something.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 03, 2024, 10:11 AM#1 JUCO receiver though. May not be a bad (re)pickup.
Maybe I'm looking at old stats but it said he had like 13 receptions on the season in juco
Quote from: animal on Dec 03, 2024, 11:21 AMMaybe I'm looking at old stats but it said he had like 13 receptions on the season in juco
Sounds like he'll be perfect for us.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 08:41 AMhttps://x.com/MargaretJ05
Give him all the NIL moneys. Dayum
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 03, 2024, 11:09 AMThat's what I recall as well. Got into it with teammates or something.
That was the rumor. I believe he threatened to kill one of our DBs and got tossed. Probably bullshit though.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 03, 2024, 01:32 PMThat was the rumor. I believe he threatened to kill one of our DBs and got tossed. Probably bullshit though.
I mean who hasn't done that?
Quote from: Hognrock on Dec 03, 2024, 01:31 PMGive him all the NIL moneys. Dayum
Yeah she's easily one of the hottest moms of a player I've ever seen. Brady Tygart's is another.
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 03, 2024, 02:08 PMYeah she's easily one of the hottest moms of a player I've ever seen. Brady Tygart's is another.
Tough call between those two.
https://x.com/HogWhisperER501/status/1863769534785810809
Wasn't aware that he had "accidentally acquired a child."
No surprise here
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1864097582131146996?t=ONA8mu9hFjYChHg8UYfHuw&s=19 (https://x.com/On3sports/status/1864097582131146996?t=ONA8mu9hFjYChHg8UYfHuw&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 03, 2024, 06:44 PMNo surprise here
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1864097582131146996?t=ONA8mu9hFjYChHg8UYfHuw&s=19 (https://x.com/On3sports/status/1864097582131146996?t=ONA8mu9hFjYChHg8UYfHuw&s=19)
Reunited with Bobby?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 03, 2024, 03:19 PMWasn't aware that he had "accidentally acquired a child."
Could be Howard's grandson (one of countless).
I don't ever remember a signing day as quiet as this one.
If you're a kid in the 300-500 range, wouldn't you be better off playing at a smaller school then transferring up? Getting PT early and transferring seems to be generating the most buzz and NIL money. Seems like that is a better option than riding the bench for a couple years. You do potentially lose some NIL money upfront.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 12:30 PMI don't ever remember a signing day as quiet as this one.
If you're a kid in the 300-500 range, wouldn't you be better off playing at a smaller school then transferring up? Getting PT early and transferring seems to be generating the most buzz and NIL money. Seems like that is a better option than riding the bench for a couple years. You do potentially lose some NIL money upfront.
It sure seems like that would be smarter. Go somewhere you can play and get some game film.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 12:30 PMI don't ever remember a signing day as quiet as this one.
it's not just arkansas.
knowing that maybe half the guys you sign today stand a good chance of being somewhere else in a couple of years will tamp down the excitement a bit.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 04, 2024, 12:48 PMit's not just arkansas.
knowing that maybe half the guys you sign today stand a good chance of being somewhere else in a couple of years will tamp down the excitement a bit.
"Hey, we'd like to sign you but our class is full of mostly 4 and 5 star players. Go sign with Arkansas and get some film and we can have you portal over in a year or two."
- Coaches at Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, and Michigan.
:D
Pretty remarkable how the landscape of getting players has changed. Almost overnight.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 01:15 PMPretty remarkable how the landscape of getting players has changed. Almost overnight.
Yeah, I had no idea it was signing day. Used to I kept up with all that shit.
https://x.com/DannyWest247/status/1864395641230651657
This is not "signing day" it's the first day of a signing period in the early period. It's been this way for about 5 years I think. Still have the "Signing day" in Feb that has been pretty well deminished in popularity. Usually by then you'll have some late holdovers and a lot of portal movement.
If you are taking a bunch of freshman right now that probably means your NIL game is soft as fuck.
Didn't want him anyway.
My guess is the high school kids that are signing today will show up in Fayetteville in January. At least most of them.
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 04, 2024, 01:59 PMDidn't want him anyway.
Looks like his first choice was Oregon.
Settling all around.
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 04, 2024, 01:59 PMDidn't want him anyway.
Actually, this is true this time. We pulled his offer once we knew the 4* WR Ja'kayden Ferguson was going to flip to us. The one committed to us is better.
and the kid that "flipped" to memphis never had a scollie offered.
This is what I've been saying about recruiting and NIL. Long gone are the days a kid comes to play for a coach. Now money is the primary factor.
https://x.com/Andy_Staples/status/1864409809115570341?t=gSdtoyIOkglpdInDhXcU9Q&s=19 (https://x.com/Andy_Staples/status/1864409809115570341?t=gSdtoyIOkglpdInDhXcU9Q&s=19)
yes, but i think staples post was taking a well deserved shot at kelly.
Yeah I know (and all for it). Just pointing out Kelly's remarks. It's clearly a pay for play world.
Not good
https://x.com/ChoateMason/status/1864482356146372681?t=LIDXXWvUY_I9MkEM6j_T7A&s=19 (https://x.com/ChoateMason/status/1864482356146372681?t=LIDXXWvUY_I9MkEM6j_T7A&s=19)
Kelly is using it as an excuse to deflect from the fact that he is just a supremely unlikable human being, lost the sideline this year, and nobody wants to play for him. I doubt LSU is suffering in NIL dollars.
No surprise. He will be good elsewhere.
It's a world where your older coaches that are used to a certain way of doing things are going to find themselves struggling if they cannot adapt. Fortunately most of them have been paying players for years. If we were serious about NIL we would hire Ed O to run it. :)
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 04, 2024, 07:33 PMKelly is using it as an excuse to deflect from the fact that he is just a supremely unlikable human being, lost the sideline this year, and nobody wants to play for him. I doubt LSU is suffering in NIL dollars.
this. and if it weren't for his insane buyout which i'm sure never crosses his mind, would be kicked down the road.
Maybe Sategna will enjoy a coach who doesn't try to make him run sharp routes. Enjoy the college years because bad routes and average hands isn't a winning combo for the big league.
Gonna be hilarious when he returns 7 punts for TDs next year though.
Carmona to return
Quote from: animal on Dec 04, 2024, 07:33 PMIf we were serious about NIL we would hire Ed O to run it. :)
Why are hookers and blow the first two words that come to mind?
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 04, 2024, 07:45 PMCarmona to return
He's not great, but he is ok. And OL do get better with age and experience, so I am glad he's coming back.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 07:46 PMWhy are hookers and blow the first two words that come to mind?
I think you know the answer to that. ::)
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 04, 2024, 07:43 PMGonna be hilarious when he returns 7 punts for TDs next year though.
A much easier task when you don't have your own teammates running into you on every punt catch play special.
Portal closes on Yurachek, he must suffer through another year in Fayettenam
Quote from: animal on Dec 04, 2024, 07:33 PMIt's a world where your older coaches that are used to a certain way of doing things are going to find themselves struggling if they cannot adapt.
This is one of the main reasons I'm surprised Pittman doesn't retire. I can't imagine he enjoys the rigor of recruiting these days. It's non stop.
Sounds like we're gonna need to run the football in the shitty bowl game.
Broden and TeSlaa will be our "studs". CJ Brown and that guy that's like 32 years old and a few others will probably get plenty of run.
Quote from: animal on Dec 04, 2024, 07:51 PMSounds like we're gonna need to run the football in the shitty bowl game.
Broden and TeSlaa will be our "studs". CJ Brown and that guy that's like 32 years old and a few others will probably get plenty of run.
Completely forgot Harrison was on the team. Guess he was there to supply the beer.
Need to find ourselves a Punt Catcher in the portal.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 04, 2024, 07:43 PMGonna be hilarious when he returns 7 punts for TDs next year though.
Hopefully, he won't do that against us...in one game.
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 04, 2024, 01:59 PMDidn't want him anyway.
The old Nobville saying: We only want players who want to be HOGS!
Gotta love the helmet.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 07:51 PMThis is one of the main reasons I'm surprised Pittman doesn't retire. I can't imagine he enjoys the rigor of recruiting these days. It's non stop.
You're right but he still has 6.5 million reasons to stay. It's more crystal clear every day.
Hard to blame Sategna. He runs wide open down the field 6-7 times a game and our QB never sees him. Or looks for him unless Armstrong falls down.
Last comment got me :rofl:
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Dec 04, 2024, 08:31 PMHard to blame Sategna. He runs wide open down the field 6-7 times a game and our QB never sees him. Or looks for him unless Armstrong falls down.
teslaa had 50 fewer yards on 12 fewer catches. he also averaged more per catch and had 2 more touchdowns. and he was open just as much didn't get the ball thrown to him.
if you're being honest sategna didn't do much with the opportunities that he had. i didn't want to see him go, but to not wait around and see what petrino had in store for him with armastrong gone, i don't feel that sorry for him.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Dec 04, 2024, 08:31 PMHard to blame Sategna. He runs wide open down the field 6-7 times a game and our QB never sees him.
Well to be fair....
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 04, 2024, 08:44 PMteslaa had 50 fewer yards on 12 fewer catches. he also averaged more per catch and had 2 more touchdowns. and he was open just as much didn't get the ball thrown to him.
if you're being honest sategna didn't do much with the opportunities that he had. i didn't want to see him go, but to not wait around and see what petrino had in store for him with armastrong gone, i don't feel that sorry for him.
I don't like Sategna leaving either. But he has had a number of drops this year on very catchable balls. Nothing like Broden, but significant.
I'm pretty sure Teslaa is out of eligibility. Hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 04, 2024, 08:52 PMI'm pretty sure Teslaa is out of eligibility. Hope I'm wrong.
he is. all the more puzzling why sategna would leave.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 04, 2024, 08:52 PMI'm pretty sure Teslaa is out of eligibility. Hope I'm wrong.
Pretty sure this was his Covid year.
Rumors on discord and SEC Rant that Hasz, Kutas, and Metcalf are headed to the portal.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 04, 2024, 09:19 PMRumors on discord and SEC Rant that Hasz, Kutas, and Metcalf are headed to the portal.
Kutas? You mean the guy who we worked so hard to save his redshirt?
If true, it's just a data point on the obvious conclusion that redshirting should never, ever, ever be a consideration for a player who's good enough to play. 5 years at the same school is not a thing anymore.
We're not gonna have enough to play a bowl game or have a spring practice.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 04, 2024, 09:21 PMKutas? You mean the guy who we worked so hard to save his redshirt?
If true, it's just a data point on the obvious conclusion that redshirting should never, ever, ever be a consideration for a player who's good enough to play. 5 years at the same school is not a thing anymore.
Had the same thought (if true about Kutas).
Playing for next year is no longer a thing. I thought at the time that it was stupid Sam was trying to preserve his shirt like he was.
And Pittman elects for surgery right at the time he needs to be re-recruiting his own players and trying to pull kids out of the portal.
We really are preternaturally immune to having nice things.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 09:23 PMWe're not gonna have enough to play a bowl game or have a spring practice.
It's almost like some of the "talent" we have doesn't want to play for this coach.
Landon Jackson to the NFL Draft
Quote from: TC on Dec 04, 2024, 09:42 PMIt's almost like some of the "talent" we have doesn't want to play for this coach.
Doesn't help we pay shit in NIL.
The Metcalf brothers posted some stuff on X yesterday that made it seem like they were sticking around.
Could see Hasz and Kutas moving on unfortunately.
Nearly as I can tell, the rumor of Kutas leaving is not substantiated. May be wrong. We'll see.
Hasz has a brother on the team and sister at UA, correct?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 10:09 PMDoesn't help we pay shit in NIL.
Who's leaving for more money?
If Kutas, Metcalf, and Hasz leave, I guarantee you they are getting more money.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 10:45 PMIf Kutas, Metcalf, and Hasz leave, I guarantee you they are getting more money.
So the "ceo coach" has a plan for the budget which did not include a bump for those guys?
What does it matter if you can't match what others are gonna pay? We have less NIL than damn near everyone in our conference.
Very similar to Pooh Paul last year. It was known that OM was offering him more than we could pay.
All this is speculation. You have no more of an idea why a kid leaves unless the kid (or his family) make it public.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 04, 2024, 09:25 PMHad the same thought (if true about Kutas).
Playing for next year is no longer a thing. I thought at the time that it was stupid Sam was trying to preserve his shirt like he was.
Sam's a fucking idiot. Preserving redshirts on players that can leave anytime. Hates traditional recruiting, ignorant of new needs of recruiting, lazy as shit. As much as he kowtows to the kids hoping they love him they turn their back and leave. Hey tsam they can use that extra year to beat our brains in if they go to a rival.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 11:01 PMWhat does it matter if you can't match what others are gonna pay? We have less NIL than damn near everyone in our conference.
Very similar to Pooh Paul last year. It was known that OM was offering him more than we could pay.
All this is speculation. You have no more of an idea why a kid leaves unless the kid (or his family) make it public.
Paul played like trash his last season at Arkansas so I can see why we didn't match.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 10:09 PMDoesn't help we pay shit in NIL.
You keep saying this with no verifiable proof. Compared to the top tier blue bloods sure. Pittman just two weeks ago said we have money and he's not worried.
The word is we've got >$10mm.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 05, 2024, 06:03 AMYou keep saying this with no verifiable proof. Compared to the top tier blue bloods sure. Pittman just two weeks ago said we have money and he's not worried.
The word is we've got >$10mm.
Pretty ballsy move for
you to call somebody out for having no proof on a post.
Pittman has made comments that they will have more this year but hasn't given any details. Is that the new revenue money coming in that all schools get or is that in donations?
Biddy has stated several times that we are near the bottom of the SEC in what we are paying. He knew OM paid a lot more for Paul last year than what we could've paid. He's close enough to the program for me to believe and has been transparent about the state of things
It's well known that tOSU had ~$25M last year. I suspect the top programs are going to be in that area.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 08:06 AMPittman has made comments that they will have more this year but hasn't given any details. Is that the new revenue money coming in that all schools get or is that in donations?
Biddy has stated several times that we are near the bottom of the SEC in what we are paying. He knew OM paid a lot more for Paul last year than what we could've paid. He's close enough to the program for me to believe and has been transparent about the state of things
It's well known that tOSU had ~$25M last year. I suspect the top programs are going to be in that area.
Our old nil edge idiot said the top sec teams are at $20. But it was all speculation.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 04, 2024, 09:28 PMAnd Pittman elects for surgery right at the time he needs to be re-recruiting his own players and trying to pull kids out of the portal.
We really are preternaturally immune to having nice things.
I think using the term "elects" is somewhat misleading. This guy has been in pain for months.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 08:06 AMPittman has made comments that they will have more this year but hasn't given any details. Is that the new revenue money coming in that all schools get or is that in donations?
Biddy has stated several times that we are near the bottom of the SEC in what we are paying. He knew OM paid a lot more for Paul last year than what we could've paid. He's close enough to the program for me to believe and has been transparent about the state of things
It's well known that tOSU had ~$25M last year. I suspect the top programs are going to be in that area.
I'm not overly worried about how much Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan and Georgia are paying. We're not in those teams' league, and would just be overpaying for lesser talent. What I want to see is for us to at least be on par in spending among the Mississippi schools, Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Auburn.
Ole Miss's excessive spending this year is unsustainable for them. They might get it for another year or two, but they just don't have enough wealth in their fan base to make it an every year thing. And if Kiffin misses the playoff with that kind of payroll again, you're going to see their fans have the same "prove it" attitude before spending that we have now.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 05, 2024, 08:18 AMOle Miss's excessive spending this year is unsustainable for them. They might get it for another year or two, but they just don't have enough wealth in their fan base to make it an every year thing. And if Kiffin misses the playoff with that kind of payroll again, you're going to see their fans have the same "prove it" attitude before spending that we have now.
Yeah, Ole Miss is one to watch.
Kiffin outright challenged their boosters and fans to ante up for the collective. They did, and Ole Miss turned in a 3 loss season (2 of which were to 2 of the worst teams in the conference).
At a certain point it's a dog who caught the car dynamic. You got the money and you didn't make the CFP or even Atlanta, what now?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 08:16 AMI think using the term "elects" is somewhat misleading. This guy has been in pain for months.
Yeah, Sam legitimately deserves much of the criticism he receives, but some of us are dangerously close to wandering into PDS/fatmanbad territory here.
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Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 11:01 PMWhat does it matter if you can't match what others are gonna pay? We have less NIL than damn near everyone in our conference.
Very similar to Pooh Paul last year. It was known that OM was offering him more than we could pay.
All this is speculation. You have no more of an idea why a kid leaves unless the kid (or his family) make it public.
Oh I agree that its speculation, but you just "guaranteed" those 3 at least are leaving for more money.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 09:59 AM]
Oh I agree that its speculation, but you just "guaranteed" those 3 at least are leaving for more money.
Correct. No one knows shit. We don't know how much money we have and we don't know how much players are really making. The university/AD/coaches get to use NIL as an ongoing excuse for poor performance. I'm sure some of the concern is valid but there's zero transparency.
Ok, I'll retract guarantee and say most likely. Better?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 11:29 AMOk, I'll retract guarantee and say most likely. Better?
Not really, because like the rest of us you really have no idea. Like you said, you're speculating.
For example, the 3 players you said you think are leaving for more money..let's say they each made 100k. There's a "free" 200k to play with to at least attempt to keep the best of the 3, but Sam still couldn't keep him here? So at that point it sounds like it's more than just money. Like everything in life there are probably other nuances and factors at play.
Sam loves to use the "money" excuse because it's easy, when the truth could just as easily be that those guys left for the SAME amount and a better program not ran by a lazy career assistant.
well some of y'all called this exactly right:
https://x.com/SSN_Arkansas/status/1864745956001869839
I don't usually say this, but fuck him.
Makes you wonder about that injury.
But how could he not want to play for an offensive line guru?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 05, 2024, 01:18 PMMakes you wonder about that injury.
makes you wonder why he lied about not transferring if he got his redshirt.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 01:10 PMwell some of y'all called this exactly right:
https://x.com/SSN_Arkansas/status/1864745956001869839
I don't usually say this, but fuck him.
Why? They're pros now and they're acting like it. Take the money, claim injury to avoid losing a year of eligibility, and then bolt for the next bag with eligibility intact. And yes, anyone could see this coming from a mile away. I bet Braxton is next. He mysteriously never played after game 2 if I remember correctly.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 05, 2024, 01:23 PMmakes you wonder why he lied about not transferring if he got his redshirt.
yeah, despite my profession, I generally trust people when they tell me something. Apparently it is a personal failing these days.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 01:36 PMyeah, despite my profession, I generally trust people when they tell me something. Apparently it is a personal failing these days.
yep, doesn't matter who the coach is, he also told all the beat writers the same thing. that's lying, fuck him.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 01:36 PMyeah, despite my profession, I generally trust people when they tell me something. Apparently it is a personal failing these days.
Do how'd you feel about the staff telling that QB that he was the only one in this class?
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 01:42 PMDo how'd you feel about the staff telling that QB that he was the only one in this class?
If you read that thread you noticed that I said the following:
I don't know. I hate the whole portal thing and all these players transferring every year (or semester), but I kinda feel like if the coaches lie to you about recruiting, you ought to be able to back out of your letter of commitment. Never thought I would say that, but that's kinda what I am feeling right now.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 01:46 PMIf you read that thread you noticed that I said the following:
I don't know. I hate the whole portal thing and all these players transferring every year (or semester), but I kinda feel like if the coaches lie to you about recruiting, you ought to be able to back out of your letter of commitment. Never thought I would say that, but that's kinda what I am feeling right now.
Apologies, I obviously missed your post. Kudos on your consistency.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 01:42 PMDo how'd you feel about the staff telling that QB that he was the only one in this class?
a little different. the #2 qb entered the portal 2 days before signing day. they were going to have to either sign a qb or get one from the portal.
personally i can't wait for the day contracts become a thing and hold all sides to a little accountability.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 05, 2024, 01:41 PMyep, doesn't matter who the coach is, he also told all the beat writers the same thing. that's lying, fuck him.
He was telling the truth but things changed.
Just like Joe Biden.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 05, 2024, 01:51 PMa little different. the #2 qb entered the portal 2 days before signing day. they were going to have to either sign a qb or get one from the portal.
personally i can't wait for the day contracts become a thing and hold all sides to a little accountability.
Plus, we are Hog fans. We are under no obligation to apply the same logic to someone who bails on the program versus someone who stays in it. I'd prefer we treat everyone honestly (and that they would respond in kind), but I reserve the right to say fuck a kid who lies to us to our detriment while excusing a coach who does it to our benefit.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 05, 2024, 02:00 PMHe was telling the truth but things changed.
Just like Joe Biden.
universal lie coverage
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 05, 2024, 01:51 PMa little different. the #2 qb entered the portal 2 days before signing day. they were going to have to either sign a qb or get one from the portal.
personally i can't wait for the day contracts become a thing and hold all sides to a little accountability.
That would stop a lot of this nonsense, agreed.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 01:42 PMDo how'd you feel about the staff telling that QB that he was the only one in this class?
I guess I give the staff a pass since they had a QB on the roster who decided to portal out. I guess the staff shouldn't be able to replace him with another QB?
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 02:43 PMThat would stop a lot of this nonsense, agreed.
As badly as it sucks, the sport needs collective bargaining.
We can pine for contracts all we want, and I agree we should. But if Ole Miss tells a guy they will give him the same money without the restrictions from our contract, he's going to be a Klansman. For this to work out even remotely fairly the sport needs a standard contract. That can't happen without collective bargaining.
Most of these guys aren't gong to make this kind of money in the NFL. They are just extending their opportunity for that big payday. Pittman wouldn't let the two TE's pull this shit, but he let's the Olineman.
Hope no one makes this a racial thing.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 01:10 PMwell some of y'all called this exactly right:
https://x.com/SSN_Arkansas/status/1864745956001869839
I don't usually say this, but fuck him.
That's fucking funny. Good thing Pittman saved that keed's future so he could go play somewhere else.
If there ever was a reason to burn a truck....
Pittman canned his agent and hired sexton to get paid as soon as he could get a better deal. Kutas is just doing what his coach did. This time the shoe is on the other foot.
As for you retards giving him a pass for lying to his qb recruit, any idiot could see the backup was going to transfer.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 07:36 PMIf there ever was a reason to burn a truck....
Nicely done
Quote from: Piggielicious on Dec 05, 2024, 07:47 PMPittman canned his agent and hired sexton to get paid as soon as he could get a better deal. Kutas is just doing what his coach did. This time the shoe is on the other foot.
As for you retards giving him a pass for lying to his qb recruit, any idiot could see the backup was going to transfer.
Isn't that what a ceo type is supposed to know? I mean if the x's and o's are left to BP and TW, then wtf is Pittman doing in the ceo role?
I agree with you, btw.
Is this the kid from Bryant?
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1864853202744541434?t=8eOpgdqvUrMjxtbxjhXnMg&s=19 (https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1864853202744541434?t=8eOpgdqvUrMjxtbxjhXnMg&s=19)
Not portal, but money related.
https://x.com/Clemson_Addict/status/1864663788135288967?t=eIA6Nat09yUx8lr8mhusFQ&s=19 (https://x.com/Clemson_Addict/status/1864663788135288967?t=eIA6Nat09yUx8lr8mhusFQ&s=19)
speaking of nil - this was kinda interesting from the former Edge director and the thread that ensued.
https://x.com/CB_Ark/status/1864016262927438262
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 08:39 PMNot portal, but money related
I'm not sure I understand the issue. He wanted to go to FSU, but LSU offered him
a new Range Rover more cash.
So what's the problem?
and it's funny that kelly went on his rant about the players wanting money and then out outbids fsu.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 09:04 PMI'm not sure I understand the issue. He wanted to go to FSU, but LSU offered him a new Range Rover more cash.
So what's the problem?
I'm guessing you're referring to the guy who posted it. Not sure what his point is.
This is a case that is more common than people think. These kids are gonna choose money over everything else.
I believe we are not competitive competitive in NIL. If what htl says is true (I know) that we are upping our NIL to ~$10M and other schools are $20-25M, how can we conpete with that? You're already at a disadvantage in HS recruiting.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 05, 2024, 09:03 PMspeaking of nil - this was kinda interesting from the former Edge director and the thread that ensued.
https://x.com/CB_Ark/status/1864016262927438262
Then do it! I mean what the fuck are we waiting on? If he needs 20 million in NIL to "win with..support", then give it to him YESTERDAY! Us fans will replenish to coffers soon after proving that what you say is true.
Because let's be frank, this looks like a cash grab on Sam's way out. Hunter too.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 09:21 PMThis is a case that is more common than people think. These kids are gonna choose money over everything else.
You're right about that. But this has been the way of college football for 5 decades now, maybe more. At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) this is nothing new. We can trace it back to ED getting a 'vette, and it was happening even before that.
The only difference now is that kids have more leverage, and think covettes are cars for old white guys wearing new balance. Kids want cash.
I cant blame them.
I thought it was a trans am
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 09:41 PMAt the end of the day (I hate that phrase)
I believe GT has that trademarked, damn, several of the guys have that as their go to verbal crutch.
I guess it is better than "you know".
(naturally I overlook what I would have sounded like at a press conference at 19 or 20 or 21.)
Quote from: animal on Dec 05, 2024, 09:47 PMI thought it was a trans am
I think you're right. And there was another Texas school going after him too. But apparently that was a shittier dealership.
No cash involved though, no sir.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 09:41 PMYou're right about that. But this has been the way of college football for 5 decades now, maybe more. At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) this is nothing new. We can trace it back to ED getting a 'vette, and it was happening even before that.
The only difference now is that kids have more leverage, and think covettes are cars for old white guys wearing new balance. Kids want cash.
I cant blame them.
Now look at in the lens of hiring a new coach. We've got to sell a program thst isn't putting in the investment to allow a coach to compete. We're setting him up to fail.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 10:02 PMNow look at in the lens of hiring a new coach. We've got to sell a program thst isn't putting in the investment to allow a coach to compete. We're setting him up to fail.
We were in the same boat in basketball. HY (or more likely JT) sold Cal on the idea that the money dried up because Muss was being a dick and the players weren't living up to their responsibilities.
If the money is there a competent salesman should be able to convince them we will spend more for hope than we have for underachievement.
We will have to do the same
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 10:02 PMNow look at in the lens of hiring a new coach. We've got to sell a program thst isn't putting in the investment to allow a coach to compete. We're setting him up to fail.
Great man, good coach..I wish him well in his recovery.
Throw 20 mill at him, and he's still going to have an undisciplined team.
Some things money can't fix.
Kinda interesting. Do we need to quit updating facilities for a few years and just pay more? Seems like it.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 10:19 PMGreat man, good coach..I wish him well in his recovery.
Throw 20 mill at him, and he's still going to have an undisciplined team.
Some things money can't fix.
He'd win more games.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 10:23 PMKinda interesting. Do we need to quit updating facilities for a few years and just pay more? Seems like it.
Absolutely
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 10:23 PMKinda interesting. Do we need to quit updating facilities for a few years and just pay more? Seems like it.
that will be the plan, and not just for arkansas. going to be a few administrative jobs in the athletic departments that will be going away also. cut the fat.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 10:23 PMKinda interesting. Do we need to quit updating facilities for a few years and just pay more? Seems like it.
100%
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 05, 2024, 11:17 PM100%
We've gone to here from what, 40 years of the facility upgrade race?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2024, 10:30 PMHe'd win more games.
How's that KJ money working out? Kutas? Throw in the 3 that left while their coach was rehabbing a hip..where's that money?
You could throw top 10 NIL money at Sam and you would absolutely not have a top 10 team under Sam. Money is A problem. Money isn't THE issue.
I absolutely believe that Sam plays favorites perhaps because he is at his core a dumb okie.
I absolutely believe that this program under Pittman is heavily pressured to play the kids that are getting paid the most money. The latter tends to be the case in any professional sports franchise.
That being said that pressure may not necessarily be coming from the NIL boosters but from the psychological aspects of these coaches knowing this worthless tub of shit is getting 500k we've got to put his fat ass on the field. That type of thing. We've got to better at how we use that money...
One would think if you thought your job was in trouble that you would say fuck all that and play the best keeds regardless of how much they invested in some other kid that couldn't get it done at their prior stop but we're gonna bring something out that they couldn't.
One would think if you thought your job was in trouble that you would be more open to putting a foot up someone's ass every time they fumbled, got intercepted, did the same penalty over and over, etc all lack of discipline type things that can be easily cured with a foot up ass.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A BUYOUT DO YOU REALLY GIVE ANY FUCKS? Somewhere in the back of your mind you are thinking...I got a lot of fucking money coming to me either way. Fuck this.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 06, 2024, 03:35 AMYou could throw top 10 NIL money at Sam and you would absolutely not have a top 10 team under Sam. Money is A problem. Money isn't THE issue.
How do you KNOW this? You don't. Kiffen has top 10 money and not top 10 results, but everyone here would prefer kiffen of Sam and I'm not saying they're wrong, but he's getting money and we're not, sadly. But I guess were blaming not getting money on Sam too.
Quote from: TC on Dec 05, 2024, 11:27 PMHow's that KJ money working out? Kutas? Throw in the 3 that left while their coach was rehabbing a hip..where's that money?
I don't get your point. KJ was rumored to have made around $700k here. I'd assume when he left they used that money on Green. Meanwhile other schools are paying $1.5-2M for a QB. Hell, Michigan is paying $12M for a QB.
The players that left made far less. Kutas was likely making Wright's BBQ money.
I get it, you guys hate Pittman. You've said he's fat and lazy 100x. However, we have 2 coordinator's that are good coaches that could turn better players into more wins. You cannot aegue that.You have arguably
the best coach we've had calling plays. He had us top 5 for 2yrs when he had a talented roster.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 06, 2024, 03:35 AMYou could throw top 10 NIL money at Sam and you would absolutely not have a top 10 team under Sam. Money is A problem. Money isn't THE issue.
Maybe, but you have to admit you're giving thst money to BP as well. He's getting better talent to work with. If he had top 10 talent, would he produce top 10 results? Hell, he had a top 10 offense this year with a shitty Oline and QB thst doesn't make good decisions and is turnover prone.
And Pittman's soft ass still dictating how practices are run and how much time has to be taken away from film study for orange slices and togetherness therapy sessions.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 08:21 AMI don't get your point. KJ was rumored to have made around $700k here. I'd assume when he left they used that money on Green. Meanwhile other schools are paying $1.5-2M for a QB. Hell, Michigan is paying $12M for a QB.
The players that left made far less. Kutas was likely making Wright's BBQ money.
I get it, you guys hate Pittman. You've said he's fat and lazy 100x. However, we have 2 coordinator's that are good coaches that could turn better players into more wins. You cannot aegue that.You have arguably
the best coach we've had calling plays. He had us top 5 for 2yrs when he had a talented roster.
Sounds like he should be the head coach.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2024, 11:23 PMWe've gone to here from what, 40 years of the facility upgrade race?
What did it get us? Of all our shitty hires and bad teams since Petrino got canned, THIS team is the one that killed Bob Holt.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 06, 2024, 08:37 AMTHIS team is the one that killed Bob Holt.
Somebody had to say it.
Kiffen or the money?
https://x.com/Rebels247/status/1865036187888427461?t=R3Z-Py9NnnyOdSQyOn0JYQ&s=19 (https://x.com/Rebels247/status/1865036187888427461?t=R3Z-Py9NnnyOdSQyOn0JYQ&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 09:01 AMKiffen or the money?
https://x.com/Rebels247/status/1865036187888427461?t=R3Z-Py9NnnyOdSQyOn0JYQ&s=19 (https://x.com/Rebels247/status/1865036187888427461?t=R3Z-Py9NnnyOdSQyOn0JYQ&s=19)
Both.
This kid's cousin just signed in our current recruiting class. According to the Rivals staff who spoke to his agent, Jeheim never even considered Arkansas.
I was told Ole Miss fans would only pony up for one year of NIL. Guess they are just more serious about their football program.
Quote from: Borenutz on Dec 06, 2024, 08:20 AMHow do you KNOW this? You don't. Kiffen has top 10 money and not top 10 results, but everyone here would prefer kiffen of Sam and I'm not saying they're wrong, but he's getting money and we're not, sadly. But I guess were blaming not getting money on Sam too.
I mean, this is a little disingenuous.
Kiffin spent top 10 money, spent most of the year in the top 10, and is currently #13 and on the CFP bubble. Not exactly a gotcha.
No shit. We would order rings if we sniffed a playoff.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 06, 2024, 09:02 AMBoth.
This kid's cousin just signed in our current recruiting class. According to the Rivals staff who spoke to his agent, Jeheim never even considered Arkansas.
That doesn't mean he went there because of Kiffen. Sounds like he went there due to money and family. Not necessarily the coach.
Hasz gone...officially.
Lmao fuck the football program.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d4/57/c9/d457c947718bc3ca62cf693ff8d22081.jpg)
Just keep playing, boys. It'll all be over soon.
We're losing to the Injun Red Wolfs next season aren't we?
Hasz is hitting the portal. In my view, this one hurts.
Good thing Sam was so confident he could spend the week in the hospital for an elective procedure.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 06, 2024, 11:55 AMWe're losing to the Injun Red Wolfs next season aren't we?
I don't know about that, but they picked a good time to play us.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 11:57 AMGood thing Sam was so confident he could spend the week in the hospital for an elective procedure.
it wasn't elective. and it had nothing to do with any of these guys leaving.
you can bet your ass all of them had been contacted well before they announced.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 11:57 AMGood thing Sam was so confident he could spend the week in the hospital for an elective procedure.
Shit he probably didn't spend the night in the hospital. He's at home chasing vicodin with cold beer.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 11:23 AMNo shit. We would order rings if we sniffed a playoff.
CFP Participating Champs of the World!
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:01 PMit wasn't elective. and it had nothing to do with any of these guys leaving.
you can bet your ass all of them had been contacted well before they announced.
If it was a hip replacement then it was elective.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 06, 2024, 12:01 PMShit he probably didn't spend the night in the hospital. He's at home chasing vicodin with cold beer.
this. he was out the same day.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:01 PMit wasn't elective. and it had nothing to do with any of these guys leaving.
you can bet your ass all of them had been contacted well before they announced.
Bullshit, a hip replacement is elective. You can schedule anytime you want.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 12:02 PMBullshit, a hip replacement is elective. You can schedule anytime you want.
it didn't have a damn thing to do with these guys leaving. they left because the program is going nowhere.
It's almost the guys that were running wide open are leaving. Wow. The good news is we've narrowed down the targets for Green.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:04 PMit didn't have a damn thing to do with these guys leaving. they left because the program is going nowhere.
And you don't think our fat lazy coach scheduling a major elective procedure during what is arguably the most important week of thr year demonstrates in part why this program is going nowhere?
How come God never tells these kids to stay?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 12:05 PMAnd you don't think our fat lazy coach scheduling a major elective procedure during what is arguably the most important week of thr year demonstrates in part why this program is going nowhere?
what the hell difference did it make? they were leaving. he was out of the hospital the same day. those few hours he was in there made no difference to these guys. they were gone as soon as the season ended.
watch how quickly they announce their new team.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 11:57 AMGood thing Sam was so confident he could spend the week in the hospital for an elective procedure.
That's CEO material right there.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:11 PMwhat the hell difference did it make? they were leaving. he was out of the hospital the same day. those few hours he was in there made no difference to these guys. they were gone as soon as the season ended.
watch how quickly they announce their new team.
Dude, you've never been around anyone who had a hip or knee replacement have you. They get you out quick alright, but you're in serious pain and hopped up on pills. You are not yourself and you feel like shit.
Contrast that to someone like Kiffin who I bet hasn't slept much this week and has been on the phone constantly with recruits and boosters trying to cajole a few more hundred thousand here and there that would land them someone from the portal or keep someone out of it.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:11 PMwhat the hell difference did it make? they were leaving. he was out of the hospital the same day. those few hours he was in there made no difference to these guys. they were gone as soon as the season ended.
watch how quickly they announce their new team.
Are you saying they have been negotiating with other teams?
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 06, 2024, 12:17 PMAre you saying they have been negotiating with other teams?
of course. shouldn't come as a shock.
auburn boards are saying we did the same thing with the dlineman that entered the portal a couple of days ago
Seems most of our transfers are from the offensive side of the ball. Hell, even the OC is trying to get out.
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 06, 2024, 12:08 PMHow come God never tells these kids to stay?
You're an Arkansas fan, you know the answer.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 12:05 PMAnd you don't think our fat lazy coach scheduling a major elective procedure during what is arguably the most important week of thr year demonstrates in part why this program is going nowhere?
I'm not a "Keep Sam" guy but the longer someone suffers from severe 24/7 pain, the more ambiguous the term
elective becomes.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 06, 2024, 12:28 PMI'm not a "Keep Sam" guy but the longer someone suffers from severe 24/7 pain, the more ambiguous the term elective becomes.
Agree. I wanted Sam fired after Missouri LAST season. His surgery is not why these kids are leaving, they're leaving because they want to get paid. Same reason most people get the hell out of Arkansas.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 06, 2024, 12:28 PMI'm not a "Keep Sam" guy but the longer someone suffers from severe 24/7 pain, the more ambiguous the term elective becomes.
Meh...he could have waited another week. Hell, he could have done it during a bye week.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:19 PMof course. shouldn't come as a shock.
auburn boards are saying we did the same thing with the dlineman that entered the portal a couple of days ago
Wait a minute.
Our lazy coach can't negotiate with OUR players due to pain, narcotics, and hip surgery but he is out there running the phone lines hot getting other team's players to jump into the portal and come to Arkansas?
What? He's probably high on hydrocodone and offering them 1 MILLION DOLLARS (insert Dr Evil pose) each to come. IMG_0063.jpeg
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 12:34 PMMeh...he could have waited another week. Hell, he could have done it during a bye week.
It's not really fair to hold mere mortals to the same pain tolerance standards as someone of your stature now, is it?
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 06, 2024, 12:36 PMWait a minute.
Our lazy coach can't negotiate with OUR players due to pain, narcotics, and hip surgery but he is out there running the phone lines hot getting other team's players to jump into the portal and come to Arkansas?
What? He's probably high on hydrocodone and offering them 1 MILLION DOLLARS (insert Dr Evil pose) each to come. IMG_0063.jpeg
Who is that? Doesn't look like Mike Myers' Dr. Evil. I don't think. Looks like a bad body double. Maybe the stuntman.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 06, 2024, 12:44 PMIt's not really fair to hold mere mortals to the same pain tolerance standards as someone of your stature now, is it?
You're ignoring the fact that he planned it for that week. If it hurt so bad he couldn't stand it, why not get it during the season?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 12:58 PMYou're ignoring the fact that he planned it for that week. If it hurt so bad he couldn't stand it, why not get it during the season?
Yeah so if we lost that week, you could blame it on him and If we won, see we don't need him. You're a miserable trip,dude. Fact is there was never going to be a perfect week for it and the dude was obviously in a good deal of pain.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 12:58 PMYou're ignoring the fact that he planned it for that week. If it hurt so bad he couldn't stand it, why not get it during the season?
then you would be bitching about him getting it in the middle of the season. "why isn't he preparing for the game? it can wait!!"
edit: borenutz beat me to it.
Quote from: Borenutz on Dec 06, 2024, 01:05 PMYeah so if we lost that week, you could blame it on him and If we won, see we don't need him. You're a miserable trip,dude. Fact is there was never going to be a perfect week for it and the dude was obviously in a good deal of pain.
I would submit there are some weeks that are better than others. And obviously Fatboy agrees because he got it done this week.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 01:07 PMI would submit there are some weeks that are better than others. And obviously Fatboy agrees because he got it done this week.
He should recruit/NIL right up until midnight on Christmas Eve then schedule his surgery for Christmas morning. Be back in the saddle on the 26th.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 06, 2024, 01:16 PMHe should recruit/NIL right up until midnight on Christmas Eve then schedule his surgery for Christmas morning. Be back in the saddle on the 26th.
I'm not arguing. For $7 million a year, I would expect a certain amount of dedication to the job.
12 mil for a QB seems a little high.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 06, 2024, 12:57 PMWho is that? Doesn't look like Mike Myers' Dr. Evil. I don't think. Looks like a bad body double. Maybe the stuntman.
It's my bad version of Pittman's face morphed on Dr Evil.
IMG_0061.jpeg
Hasz is gone.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 01:54 PMWe know
Couldn't find it. I will go to the nearest screen door as part of our bylaws.
I wonder if his tiny bro is staying.
Now we Hasz no TE again
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 06, 2024, 01:52 PMIt's my bad version of Pittman's face morphed on Dr Evil.
IMG_0061.jpeg
I thought you did a good job on it.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 06, 2024, 01:56 PMI wonder if his tiny bro is staying.
Now we Hasz no TE again
Well, we knew Hasz couldn't carry the TE room.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 06, 2024, 01:55 PMCouldn't find it. I will go to the nearest screen door as part of our bylaws.
Nah, can't be said enough.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 06, 2024, 01:56 PMI wonder if his tiny bro is staying.
Now we Hasz no TE again
:drums:
Josh Braun gone
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 06, 2024, 02:19 PMJosh Braun gone
this one seems like a 'shown the door' to me.
came in with a little hype, but has been pretty awful.
blackstock can't be too far behind.
Have we gotten anyone through the portal? Would be kinda cool if we did.
It doesn't officially "open" until Monday. Not sure if many are announcing their destinations before then. Runs through Dec. 28th.
This is a list of rankings of players who have already announced they're hitting the portal:
https://247sports.com/season/2025-football/transferportaltop/
It is growing hourly, and I only scrolled through the top 100, but these are the Hogs currently in the top 100:
Kutas - 3rd
Hasz - 13th
Singleton - 51st
Gumms - 73rd
Tyrus Washington - 99th
Quote from: Gambler on Dec 06, 2024, 02:58 PMHave we gotten anyone through the portal? Would be kinda cool if we did.
I think I saw we have a WR from Fresno St visiting this weekend.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2024, 02:22 PMthis one seems like a 'shown the door' to me.
came in with a little hype, but has been pretty awful.
blackstock can't be too far behind.
maybe not.
he's withdrawn from the portal.
Losing Kutas probably pisses me off the most, especially with supposed OL guru as HC. I thought we were supposedly spending our money on the lines? Can we not afford him or is our line just not getting coached well? It certainly seems he was slated to be a starter next year.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Dec 06, 2024, 03:45 PMI think I saw we have a WR from Fresno St visiting this weekend.
Natty.
nico davillier to the portal.
Interesting way of negotiating. Would not be surprised if more teams do this.
https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1865120408015348208?t=V_T2voKG-PDpb8eecKlJ1Q&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1865120408015348208?t=V_T2voKG-PDpb8eecKlJ1Q&s=19)
Braun is either gone...or not.
4 minutes apart...
https://x.com/pigtrailnation/status/1865156336385675345?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
https://x.com/choatemason/status/1865157428607594609?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Seems fitting that a false start is involved.
Sophomore LB Carson Dean.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 11:26 AMThat doesn't mean he went there because of Kiffen. Sounds like he went there due to money and family. Not necessarily the coach.
Family?
Like I said, likely a mix of both more money and program trajectory.
One of the Rivals guys contacted him as soon as his name hit the portal. He said he had no interest in Arkansas. I assumed that to mean we hadn't even made it to the stage of discussing money.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 06, 2024, 05:07 PMBraun is either gone...or not.
4 minutes apart...
https://x.com/pigtrailnation/status/1865156336385675345?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
https://x.com/choatemason/status/1865157428607594609?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Seems fitting that a false start is involved.
He's hokding onto his options.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 06, 2024, 01:07 PMI would submit there are some weeks that are better than others. And obviously Fatboy agrees because he got it done this week.
My grandmother broke her hip and had a replacement in her 90's. She was up and walking same day; didn't have much pain. Sam could have had it the Monday after a game with a bye and been back for did next game. Easy.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 06, 2024, 05:12 PMFamily?
Like I said, likely a mix of both more money and program trajectory.
One of the Rivals guys contacted him as soon as his name hit the portal. He said he had no interest in Arkansas. I assumed that to mean we hadn't even made it to the stage of discussing money.
If you think kids aren't getting contacted by certain schools early with offers you're fooling yourself.
And yes, family. You said his cousin was there. If he wanted to go where his cousin is (say some other school) and that school is gonna pay him big, he'd go there instead. If you think it's mainly OM and Kiffen that are the reason, again, you're fooling yourself.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 06, 2024, 05:14 PMMy grandmother broke her hip and had a replacement in her 90's. She was up and walking same day; didn't have much pain. Sam could have had it the Monday after a game with a bye and been back for did next game. Easy.
Just guessing she wasn't a 300 plus pound lineman.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 05:17 PMIf you kids aren't getting contacted by certain schools early with offers you're fooling yourself.
And yes, family. You said his cousin was there. If he wanted to go where his cousin is (say some other school) and that school is gonna pay him big, he'd go there instead. If you think it's mainly OM and Kiffen that are the reason, again, you're fooling yourself.
His cousin is coming to Arkansas. He's in the class that just signed.
Like I said, it's not necessarily that Kiffin is the reason. But Pittman is probably at least part of the reason why we weren't even considered. Or if not Pittman, the overall state of the program compared to Ole Miss.
I think you underestimate the power of money where most of these kid's come from.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 06:04 PMI think you underestimate the power of money where most of these kid's come from.
I think you're mistaken about that.
When money is constant, they choose the better program.
We can agree to disagree. You have a kid yesterday who signed with LSU and commented that he was disappointed he couldn't go to FSU.
Parents are going to push the kid where the money is. Mom and pop don't care bout no coach...
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 06:52 PMWe can agree to disagree. You have a kid yesterday who signed with LSU and commented that he was disappointed he couldn't go to FSU.
Parents are going to push the kid where the money is. Mom and pop don't care bout no coach...
Still a dumbass thing to say. I wanted to sleep with Jessica Alba but instead got Jessica Biel...oh boo fuckin hoo.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 06:04 PMI think you underestimate the power of money where most of these kid's come from.
I think you underestimate the Pittman stench on our program right now.
4 star DB Jaylon Braxton. He gone.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 06, 2024, 08:22 PM4 star DB Jaylon Braxton. He gone.
Surprised it took him this long.
doubt he was coming back when he was told he had a bone bruise when in fact it was a fracture.
Coaches, eh?
https://x.com/SmallwoodTrent/status/1865082028942557322?t=RgdvSzcSJPb481EkM_a7rQ&s=19 (https://x.com/SmallwoodTrent/status/1865082028942557322?t=RgdvSzcSJPb481EkM_a7rQ&s=19)
yeah, anyone who says money isn't the motivating factor in getting players in today's game is just in denial.
and yes, pittman sucks.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 08:48 PMCoaches, eh?
https://x.com/SmallwoodTrent/status/1865082028942557322?t=RgdvSzcSJPb481EkM_a7rQ&s=19 (https://x.com/SmallwoodTrent/status/1865082028942557322?t=RgdvSzcSJPb481EkM_a7rQ&s=19)
Texas and Georgia are peers.
Unfortunately thanks to the events of the last decade we are not peers with Ole Miss.
If the coach at UGA who has a 4yr relationship with a kid and losses him due to maney, then any coach we hire doesn't stand a chance. Money is gonna win out every time. I'm telling you times have changed. You better offer the same amount of money and hope your coach can sell it. If not, it's plan B.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 06, 2024, 09:17 PMTexas and Georgia are peers.
Unfortunately thanks to the events of the last decade we are not peers with Ole Miss.
Don't care how, just keep that fucker away from UGAG
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 06, 2024, 09:17 PMTexas and Georgia are peers.
the last couple of years, sure.
in the last 10 years georgia is 124-23. texas 79-56.
Interesting take...
https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526?t=bZ98EOBL87oS4C6TFpHxog&s=19 (https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526?t=bZ98EOBL87oS4C6TFpHxog&s=19)
Maybe the A-club should be handing out 100k bonuses for all hogs that went to four years at UA and graduated.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 09:21 PMIf the coach at UGA who has a 4yr relationship with a kid and losses him due to maney, then any coach we hire doesn't stand a chance. Money is gonna win out every time. I'm telling you times have changed. You better offer the same amount of money and hope your coach can sell it. If not, it's plan B.
Let's say we find $11mm of change in between the sofa cushions and offer it to that Terry kid. Would he pick us over Texas?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 09:21 PMIf the coach at UGA who has a 4yr relationship with a kid and losses him due to maney, then any coach we hire doesn't stand a chance. Money is gonna win out every time. I'm telling you times have changed. You better offer the same amount of money and hope your coach can sell it. If not, it's plan B.
Again, you're act like this is new.
Quote from: TC on Dec 06, 2024, 10:15 PMAgain, you're act like this is new.
Again, you act like it's the same. Yes players have been getting paid but nowhere near the scale it is today. You have a HS QB getting paid $12M.
If it's nothing new, then why is every coach complaining about it and causing some coaches to retire because of it?
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 06, 2024, 12:08 PMHow come God never tells these kids to stay?
God does not love that helmet.
If we are paying more than other schools, highly likely.
Who gives a shit if you win. You're making life changing money.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 10:50 PMAgain, you act like it's the same. Yes players have been getting paid but nowhere near the scale it is today. You have a HS QB getting paid $12M.
If it's nothing new, then why is every coach complaining about it and causing some coaches to retire because of it?
Well you've isolated the 1 qb in the entire country who Portnoy bros have thrown their hat in for. I mean I guess you're ultimately right because even Bama isn't paying that.
Meanwhile go look at the Bama players parking lot for the last decade. But that was cool then. Now suddenly it's "cash", not cars, and omg it's time to freak out!!
tOSU is known to be spending $25M in NIL. That wasn't the case 5 years ago.
Back to the UGA/UT situation. Let's say UGA offered the kid $900k. Let's say UT comes in offers $1.2M.
How much do you think it would take for him to sign with Arkansas with SP as HC?
How much do you think it would take for him to sign with Arkansas with the coach of your choice?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2024, 11:51 PMtOSU is known to be spending $25M in NIL. That wasn't the case 5 years ago.
Back to the UGA/UT situation. Let's say UGA offered the kid $900k. Let's say UT comes in offers $1.2M.
How much do you think it would take for him to sign with Arkansas with SP as HC?
How much do you think it would take for him to sign with Arkansas with the coach of your choice?
You keep harping on the NIL and I'm not sure anyone disagrees with you about it being the driving factor in recruiting. So what do you propose? You seem to prefer the status quo because of the coordinators but if we don't have any money then what difference does it make? You can scream at broke Joe Fan all you want but they're not going to come around, at least not with this coach and an administration that doesn't seem serious about football.
How about we play a game of who would it take for you to send 100 or more per month to NIL?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 07, 2024, 01:07 AMYou keep harping on the NIL and I'm not sure anyone disagrees with you about it being the driving factor in recruiting. So what do you propose? You seem to prefer the status quo because of the coordinators but if we don't have any money then what difference does it make? You can scream at broke Joe Fan all you want but they're not going to come around, at least not with this coach and an administration that doesn't seem serious about football.
All I'm trying to say is this. History shows we are a 6 win peogram. Which is essentially where we are today. We all want to win more games. In order to consistently win more games you have to increase your talent. It's more important now more than ever because schools that were at your level are getting better players. We have a disadvantage in HS recruiting and now have one in NIL. A good coach will not see us as an attractive program. We do not provide a coach the resources to be successful. "Come here and compete against the best with less talent" isn't a ringing endorsement.
Even if you get a coach who is a good recruiter, he's not going to convince a kid to come here for less money. Probably not for even money today. He's behind the 8 ball day one.
In order to win 8+ games a year, you better be on an even playing field or close to it talent wise. Otherwise you're hoping you can coach above your talent. Talent is making plays on the fiel, coaches aren't. That's wishful thinking.
All in all I would be shocked if we fired SP and hired a coach everyone was happy with. You're probably gonna get a guy like Odom whose best year at Mizz was 8 wins. Pretty much what SP has done. So either way you look at it, old coach or new coach, in order to win more gsmes consistently, you're gonna have to solve the talent problem. I think with better talent our current coordinators can overcome what minimal inpacts SP has on the game. We've been close in many games over the last couple years. I've always been of the mindset that talent wins most games. Better players make better plays which increase your shot at winning. Moreso than most anything a coach can so.
Some seem to think hiring a new coach and money will magically appear. I think that's a crap shoot. Regardless, if we want to win it better improve. The top schools in our league have 2x what we have. Hard to get better when you're that far behind.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 07, 2024, 01:07 AMYou keep harping on the NIL and I'm not sure anyone disagrees with you about it being the driving factor in recruiting. So what do you propose? You seem to prefer the status quo because of the coordinators but if we don't have any money then what difference does it make? You can scream at broke Joe Fan all you want but they're not going to come around, at least not with this coach and an administration that doesn't seem serious about football.
One more thing. Some say we have a bad "culture" and that may be true. Would you trade a better culture for worse coordinators? That is likely gonna happen if you hire a new coach and he brings his staff.
The hardest culture change is going to be for Arkansas fans to accept the fact that big money donors are not enough to finance this program anymore. If they want to win, they're going to have to pay up.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 09:34 AMOne more thing. Some say we have a bad "culture" and that may be true. Would you trade a better culture for worse coordinators? That is likely gonna happen if you hire a new coach and he brings his staff.
Honestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now.
Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring.
When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best.
I want to win more games but not to the point where I'm going to spend my money to make some dumbass teenager rich. I'm never going to pay to see some ho nude on onlyfans and I'm never going to pay for an 18 year old football player to help him buy a $100,000 vehicle, especially when there is no guarantee we will win more games. Yall have fun with that.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 07, 2024, 10:04 AMHonestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now.
Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring.
When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best.
You could give Pittman Georgia's roster and it would be a four loss team.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 07, 2024, 10:05 AMI want to win more games but not to the point where I'm going to spend my money to make some dumbass teenager rich. I'm never going to pay to see some ho nude on onlyfans and I'm never going to pay for an 18 year old football player to help him buy a $100,000 vehicle, especially when there is no guarantee we will win more games. Yall have fun with that.
I do like the idea of some kind of simple way to directly make sure the attaboy money goes to the playa having a good game in real time. Beyond that my fucks are given on paying players for the very same reasons. Especially the fucking guys that haven't done shit in college getting paid more than HTL.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 07, 2024, 10:04 AMHonestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now.
Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring.
When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best.
You and I both know Petrino controlled that offense. If you have a coach that is an elite play caller (either side), you have to count him as part coordinator. I'm with you on Willy.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 07, 2024, 10:05 AMI want to win more games but not to the point where I'm going to spend my money to make some dumbass teenager rich. I'm never going to pay to see some ho nude on onlyfans and I'm never going to pay for an 18 year old football player to help him buy a $100,000 vehicle, especially when there is no guarantee we will win more games. Yall have fun with that.
Completely understand but there is a trade off. If we don't want to contribute to give the program the best chance of winning, then how much can we complain?
I said it fronm the get go, it's not right that it comes back on the fans but that's where we're at unfortunately.
Quote from: animal on Dec 07, 2024, 11:07 AMI do like the idea of some kind of simple way to directly make sure the attaboy money goes to the playa having a good game in real time. Beyond that my fucks are given on paying players for the very same reasons. Especially the fucking guys that haven't done shit in college getting paid more than HTL.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 11:13 AMCompletely understand but there is a trade off. If we don't want to contribute to give the program the best chance of winning, then how much can we complain?
I said it fronm the get go, it's not right that it comes back on the fans but that's where we're at unfortunately.
It's insanity that it comes back on the fans. You're supposed to pay NIL after you've already paid for tickets/parking/concessions etc? No contracts, the player can just quit the team and go somewhere else after the season? The system is insane. No fucking way I'm contributing to NIL. Put their venmo or cashapp up on the screen and I'll gladly send a tip after a big play.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 11:13 AMCompletely understand but there is a trade off. If we don't want to contribute to give the program the best chance of winning, then how much can we complain?
I said it fronm the get go, it's not right that it comes back on the fans but that's where we're at unfortunately.
All power 5 universities, the SEC and all other power 5 conferences, and the NCAA are part of a billion dollar industry.
But the average joe Arkansas fans need to pay more?
Fuck that bullshit.
fans don't have to give anything. at the same time they want corporate entities or rich guys to pump in money.
You know what's better than Razorback athletics? Oaklawn Park. Come holler at your boy.
I, as a fan, don't want anyone to contribute money.
I want the Universities, The SEC and the NCAA to start paying players.
They make more than enough to finance Jimmy and Joes cars, weed, and hookers while also giving them the opportunity to earn a degree through a free education.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 07, 2024, 11:33 AMI, as a fan, don't want anyone to contribute money.
I want the Universities, The SEC and the NCAA to start paying players.
They make more than enough to finance Jimmy and Joes cars, weed, and hookers while also giving them the opportunity to earn a degree through a free education.
that's what the revenue sharing is. but nil and the collectives aren't going away.
All what you guys are saying is right. The day NIL was awarded it's brought the fans into the game. I honestly don't see a true solution. Maybe go back to a 1 time transfer but you have to sit out a year? That would at least slow it down.
NIL + unlimited transfers is gonna always have a grass is greener scenario.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 09:17 AMAll I'm trying to say is this. History shows we are a 6 win peogram. Which is essentially where we are today. We all want to win more games. In order to consistently win more games you have to increase your talent. It's more important now more than ever because schools that were at your level are getting better players. We have a disadvantage in HS recruiting and now have one in NIL. A good coach will not see us as an attractive program. We do not provide a coach the resources to be successful. "Come here and compete against the best with less talent" isn't a ringing endorsement.
Even if you get a coach who is a good recruiter, he's not going to convince a kid to come here for less money. Probably not for even money today. He's behind the 8 ball day one.
In order to win 8+ games a year, you better be on an even playing field or close to it talent wise. Otherwise you're hoping you can coach above your talent. Talent is making plays on the fiel, coaches aren't. That's wishful thinking.
All in all I would be shocked if we fired SP and hired a coach everyone was happy with. You're probably gonna get a guy like Odom whose best year at Mizz was 8 wins. Pretty much what SP has done. So either way you look at it, old coach or new coach, in order to win more gsmes consistently, you're gonna have to solve the talent problem. I think with better talent our current coordinators can overcome what minimal inpacts SP has on the game. We've been close in many games over the last couple years. I've always been of the mindset that talent wins most games. Better players make better plays which increase your shot at winning. Moreso than most anything a coach can so.
Some seem to think hiring a new coach and money will magically appear. I think that's a crap shoot. Regardless, if we want to win it better improve. The top schools in our league have 2x what we have. Hard to get better when you're that far behind.
I don't disagree with any of this. We are a 6 win program since we joined the SEC and that likely will never change aside from the lightning in a bottle with Mallet and BP. It just seems really lazy and dishonest for Yurachek and others to blame fans for being "cheap". They should be grateful that stadium still sells out despite the shit product they keep putting on the field- and that predates NIL. I always liked Pittman until that bullshit comment about his players being Blue Light Specials while walking around a field with a GOD DAMN WAL-MART logo on it. I don't know if it was more pathetic or galactically fucking stupid. I do know it just comes off as crybaby bullshit.
NIL could in theory be a massive game changer for Arkansas because we do have a handful of incredibly wealthy boosters who could change our entire trajectory by sifting through their couch cushions. Yes, the rest of the gen pop fan base needs to be giving as well but this only works if some of the truly high rollers want to go all Phil Knight and buy us a championship. They seem willing with baseball and basketball but deep down I think they all know we're a 6 win football program, just like our administration does.
Why do some people invest so much time and thought trying to convince us that we are trash as a program and have no reason tk expect better?
The program sucks because of bad leadership.
We have never been willing to be innovative or lead in anything. Remember when Nick Saban got paid $5million a year to coach Alabama and everybody thought that was an insane amount? It was one of the best investments by a University and an athletic organization in history.
We never do shit like that. We wind up timidly accepting the likes of Pittman and paying him top 20 money because the program has been run by pussies and idiots for two decades.
We let an interim AD hire Chad fucking Morris.
The main difference between us and a program like Ole Miss at the current moment is they have better leadership who view their job as WINNING no matter what. They love the school, and want to see it succeed no matter what.
We have hired corporate types since JFB left and we get half-assed leadership, shitty negotiating and pussy-ass results. No one gives a shit about anything but their paycheck.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 11:42 AMAll what you guys are saying is right. The day NIL was awarded it's brought the fans into the game. I honestly don't see a true solution. Maybe go back to a 1 time transfer but you have to sit out a year? That would at least slow it down.
NIL + unlimited transfers is gonna always have a grass is greener scenario.
That would help tremendously and it better be part of whatever revenue sharing plan they come up with.
One thing that gets overlooked is that most of the programs who are excelling at NIL already had the apparatus for paying players in place. It just became legal.
Ole Miss has been buying players since before any of us were born. Same for Alabama, LSU, aTm, etc. While we were never as squeaky clean as JFB convinced us we were, in relative terms we were choirboys.
We are having to convince people who have been funding elite facilities for 50 years to start sending that money to players while still keeping up with the Jones' in physical plant and amenities. Those schools just had to add some paperwork for the same donors.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 11:56 AMWhy do some people invest so much time and thought trying to convince us that we are trash as a program and have no reason tk expect better?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe 30+ years of history?
All you've done is complain and dodged questions I've asked. So let's try this again...
What are YOUR expectations for the program and what is YOUR solution to get there?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 07, 2024, 12:11 PMOne thing that gets overlooked is that most of the programs who are excelling at NIL already had the apparatus for paying players in place. It just became legal.
Ole Miss has been buying players since before any of us were born. Same for Alabama, LSU, aTm, etc. While we were never as squeaky clean as JFB convinced us we were, in relative terms we were choirboys.
We are having to convince people who have been funding elite facilities for 50 years to start sending that money to players while still keeping up with the Jones' in physical plant and amenities. Those schools just had to add some paperwork for the same donors.
should have jumped into the mud when we first got into the sec, rolled the dice and let them know we were going to play the game. got put on probation anyway for some stupid shit.
jeff long wasn't the first to use the word integrity.
Believe we were a finalist for this kid.
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1865431326691565886?t=p876m7jHM3Js0X1yEDA5yg&s=19 (https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1865431326691565886?t=p876m7jHM3Js0X1yEDA5yg&s=19)
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 11:56 AMWhy do some people invest so much time and thought trying to convince us that we are trash as a program and have no reason tk expect better?
Ive expected better since at least 1985.
When are we going to be better?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 12:23 PMBelieve we were a finalist for this kid.
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1865431326691565886?t=p876m7jHM3Js0X1yEDA5yg&s=19 (https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1865431326691565886?t=p876m7jHM3Js0X1yEDA5yg&s=19)
I think he was committed to us at one point.
Shuffling the deck and re-dealing after every season is so fucked. The college game is losing people doing it this way.
Not to say the old way of behemoths hoarding players for themselves was great either.
We need a third way. We need a Yoda to guide us.
It is going to lose it's fanbase at some point. I agree.
Absolutely. I've always preferred CFB over the NFL but that's changing in a hurry.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 11:37 AMthat's what the revenue sharing is. but nil and the collectives aren't going away.
No it's a brand new revenue stream that people laid down for and just sent in their money. It was presented as this "oh isn't that nice that guy got 100 bucks and some free bbq" to now Oh fuck that kid just got 12 million dollars for fucking nothing
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 12:11 PMOh, I don't know. Maybe 30+ years of history?
All you've done is complain and dodged questions I've asked. So let's try this again...
What are YOUR expectations for the program and what is YOUR solution to get there?
Hire decent coaches, get decent results.
Arkansas was trash and not very good until we hired Broyles. We were a Top 10 program with Broyles. We continued to be a Top 15 program with Holtz and Hatfield.
They were bad with Crowe, Kines, and worn out Ford. Nutt brought life into the program and in hindsight was better than I gave him credit at the time. We got rid of him and immediately upgraded.
Since we blew it up and fired Petrino, we hired a crazy man, a fat alcoholic, and a glorified high school coach before settling on a lifetime assistant who had never even been a coordinator.
Arkansas under Nutt averaged 7.5 wins a year. That's about the worst we should do. The last thirty years of Arkansas football is not an indictment of the program, it's an indictment of the retards making the decisions about the program.
I'm slowly moving to D2/D3 football.
I still don't think an NIL set up dependent on average fan contributions will ever be a long term solution.
But a step in the right direction would be to give foundation credit for NIL donations.
I'm not going to be blackmailed twice for a chance at a decent team and a chance to buy decent season tickets (basketball and baseball).
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 12:34 PMHire decent coaches, get decent results.
Arkansas was trash and not very good until we hired Broyles. We were a Top 10 program with Broyles. We continued to be a Top 15 program with Holtz and Hatfield.
They were bad with Crowe, Kines, and worn out Ford. Nutt brought life into the program and in hindsight was better than I gave him credit at the time. We got rid of him and immediately upgraded.
Since we blew it up and fired Petrino, we hired a crazy man, a fat alcoholic, and a glorified high school coach before settling on a lifetime assistant who had never even been a coordinator.
Arkansas under Nutt averaged 7.5 wins a year. That's about the worst we should do. The last thirty years of Arkansas football is not an indictment of the program, it's an indictment of the retards making the decisions about the program.
Can you name a coach that would come here and win 8 games a year?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 12:48 PMCan you name a coach that would come here and win 8 games a year?
I know one that can't.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 12:51 PMI know one that can't.
Again, stop dodging the question and give an answer.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 12:57 PMAgain, stop dodging the question and give an answer.
It's not my job to identify a potential coach. That's the AD's job. Identify the best coach you can find based on actual coaching and hire him. If he doesn't want the job, offer more money and/or go to the next best guy.
Of course, if our illustrious AD hadn't gotten butthurt he could have hired Kiffin and I'm pretty sure he would have averaged at least eight.
Moo St raising $11M in 3 months?
https://x.com/JWinDawg/status/1865269269765779967?t=vgYSm5VGwPqc3mCbSADp4A&s=19 (https://x.com/JWinDawg/status/1865269269765779967?t=vgYSm5VGwPqc3mCbSADp4A&s=19)
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:00 PMIt's not my job to identify a potential coach. That's the AD's job. Identify the best coach you can find based on actual coaching and hire him. If he doesn't want the job, offer more money and/or go to the next best guy.
Of course, if our illustrious AD hadn't gotten butthurt he could have hired Kiffin and I'm pretty sure he would have averaged at least eight.
So you're saying you don't know 1 coach in the country that can come in here and win 8 games on the regular on coaching alone. I agree with that.
And if you think we had a chance to hire Kiffin you're sadly mistaken.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 01:02 PMMoo St raising $11M in 3 months?
https://x.com/JWinDawg/status/1865269269765779967?t=vgYSm5VGwPqc3mCbSADp4A&s=19 (https://x.com/JWinDawg/status/1865269269765779967?t=vgYSm5VGwPqc3mCbSADp4A&s=19)
They hired a new coach with an exciting offense. That breeds enthusiasm and money.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 01:04 PMSo you're saying you don't know 1 coach in the country that can come in here and win 8 games on the regular on coaching alone. I agree with that.
A ton of them could.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 01:10 PMYou are 1 of a kind...
Because I think we could be better? lol
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:04 PMThey hired a new coach with an exciting offense. That breeds enthusiasm and money.
Nothing says excitement more than going 2-10 (worse than any record SP has even following the Morris disaster) and getting smoked by 3 TDs to a SP led Razorback team. I'm sure the fans couldn't contain themselves.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:14 PMBecause I think we could be better? lol
No because you're a simpleton.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:04 PMThey hired a new coach with an exciting offense. That breeds enthusiasm and money.
they won 2 games and 0-8 in conference. finished 12th in the sec in total offense. chad morris level.
that line of reasoning is bullshit.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 01:15 PMNo because you're a simpleton.
Oh, okay. Literally nothing you've said is correct no matter how many times you attempt say it again.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 01:17 PMthey won 2 games and 0-8 in conference. finished 12th in the sec in total offense. chad morris level.
that line of reasoning is bullshit.
See how it goes next year. If it is still that bad, then the money will go. Our fans have weighed and measured Sam and found him wanting.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:18 PMOh, okay. Literally nothing you've said is correct no matter how many times you attempt say it again.
I know it's tough for you to understand.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:19 PMSee how it goes next year. If it is still that bad, then the money will go. Our fans have weighed and measured Sam and found him wanting.
So a coach with 2 wins this year is gonnna be better next week when they buy better talent????
You don't say....
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 01:25 PMSo a coach with 2 wins this year is gonnna be better next week when they buy better talent????
You don't say....
Lebby might actually be able to coach, or maybe not. It remains to be seen. It is no longer a question with Sam.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 01:19 PMOur fans have weighed and measured Sam and found him wanting.
Mark Stoops was the shit at Kentucky (kind of our equivalent football program over the last 20 years) and got a big fat contract.
Then they fucking suck this year.
Norvell....penthouse to the outhouse.
Shane Beamer will have a shit year too.
The low-medium SEC teams (us, SC-East, MS St, Kentucky, Ole Miss) will take turns having shitty years or medium years. Ole Miss broke out of it a LITTLE BIT with Kiffen, but they're still not a Bama, Georgia or LSU and never will be.
It doesn't matter whether we keep Sam or hire someone new. The next 5 years will look the same either way.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 07, 2024, 01:27 PMMark Stoops was the shit at Kentucky (kind of our equivalent football program over the last 20 years) and got a big fat contract.
Then they fucking suck this year.
Norvell....penthouse to the outhouse.
Shane Beamer will have a shit year too.
The low-medium SEC teams (us, SC-East, MS St, Kentucky, Ole Miss) will take turns having shitty years or medium years. Ole Miss broke out of it a LITTLE BIT with Kiffen, but they're still not a Bama, Georgia or LSU and never will be.
It doesn't matter whether we keep Sam or hire someone new. The next 5 years will look the same either way.
You're right to a degree. Arkansas is not going to be a consistent 10 win program in the SEC and there will be down years with any coach. But Sam is not capable of taking advantage of the wins that are there. We have to have a coach that gets the most out of the program and that isn't Sam.
If you want to be optimistic, just look at how close we are with a complete mediocrity at coach.
Here are the Ark coaches of my lifetime. 3/11 were MAXIMIZING coaches. By my idiot math that's a little less than 30%. 2 were MINIMIZING coaches.
Sam is in the middle, like most of them. I'm not sure the roll of the dice of a less than 30% chance to get a MAXIMIZING coach is worth it, when we have a near-the-same chance of getting a MINIMIZING coach.
Broyles MAX
Holtz MAX
Hatfield
Crowe MIN
Ford
Nutt
Petrino MAX
Smith
Bielema
Morris MIN
Pittman
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 12:51 PMI know one that can't.
. You mean the current one that's already done it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 07, 2024, 01:36 PMHere are the Ark coaches of my lifetime. 3/11 were MAXIMIZING coaches. By my idiot math that's a little less than 30%. 2 were MINIMIZING coaches.
Sam is in the middle, like most of them. I'm not sure the roll of the dice of a less than 30% chance to get a MAXIMIZING coach is worth it, when we have a near-the-same chance of getting a MINIMIZING coach.
Broyles MAX
Holtz MAX
Hatfield
Crowe MIN
Ford
Nutt
Petrino MAX
Smith
Bielema
Morris MIN
Pittman
Add in that Ford, Beliema, and Pittman are under .500 and they are part of your mid level coaches.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 01:45 PMAdd in that Ford, Beliema, and Pittman are under .500 and they are part of your mid level coaches.
Yeah the six unmarked are mid.
Obviously there are ranges within mid as well, it's just that these six weren't the best or worst.
Hatfield was a mid-plus, darn close to MAX, and Smith was a mid-minus, I really can't count anything against him though, he almost doesn't count at all.
I don't see us pulling away a coach from a P4 school that is currently having success. Lashlee is the only possibility and he has 1 year against a very very easy schedule. He didn't face teams and coaches like he would in the SEC. Odom has never won more than Pittman in the SEC.
So where do you look next? Coordinators or non P4 coaches? A lot of unknowns there. Is it worth paying an unproven coach and Sam's buyout? It's far more a crap shoot than a guarantee.
I believe Lashlee could win 8 plus here given that he's 11-1 and a win over Clemson away from a playoff bye. He's done that with a roster that is at least bottom half and probably bottom third of his league.
Maybe he can sustain that pace...maybe not. I have to agree with TWB that Sam has proven he's highly unlikely to get back to that level even with $30mm in NIL budget. Especially seeing so many contributors bailing seemingly for reasons not related to NIL.
I think Ford is a prime example of a coach if he was given one more year or two more years he might have done some shit or at least made it interesting. Nutt inherited a good deal of NFL players on that roster and damn near fell ass backwards into a natty champ opportunity. If it weren't for a Stoernover and a missed fg. That's not to take away anything Nutt did...like it or not when Nutt came in he brought a lot of energy and excitement to a situation that was anything but. Ford was all business. Nutt loved the spotlight and did manage to squeeze a lot out of a guy (no homo or maybe a little).
Pittman cannot hang onto his players even guys that he openly said he was protecting them to save their eligibility...those guys fucked him too. I know its a business but fucking hell it appears for like the 3rd year in a row Pittman "lost this team". Lay down you're drunk Hunter Y if you keep this fucking guy. When Pittman was here as OL coach his offensive lines were largely vastly overrated (largest human offensive line on the planet) and often times getting their shit pushed. Now we have a team full of overrated position groups and under performing.
Quote from: Borenutz on Dec 07, 2024, 01:37 PM. You mean the current one that's already done it.
Quote from: Borenutz on Dec 07, 2024, 01:37 PM. You mean the current one that's already done it.
You must have missed the "on the regular" part.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 07, 2024, 01:36 PMHere are the Ark coaches of my lifetime. 3/11 were MAXIMIZING coaches. By my idiot math that's a little less than 30%. 2 were MINIMIZING coaches.
Sam is in the middle, like most of them. I'm not sure the roll of the dice of a less than 30% chance to get a MAXIMIZING coach is worth it, when we have a near-the-same chance of getting a MINIMIZING coach.
Broyles MAX
Holtz MAX
Hatfield
Crowe MIN
Ford
Nutt
Petrino MAX
Smith
Bielema
Morris MIN
Pittman
The flaw in your logic is that the lots of the Mins a the mediocres there were OBVIOUSLY that from the start. Crowe was a scramble hire that Broyles seemed to regret almost immediately. John L. Smith was a glorified team mascot that took an $800,000 payday to crack some jokes. Morris...where do I even start.
So, for sane people making well reasoned hires, it isn't as likely that you get a complete dud as it is you get someone better.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 02:07 PMsane people making well reasoned hires
Surely you spot the flaw in your logic.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 07, 2024, 02:09 PMSurely you spot the flaw in your logic.
I think you mean not the people who decided to let a female golfer and some other non-football people help lead the search for what led to a clown parachuting into his introduction presser.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 07, 2024, 02:09 PMSurely you spot the flaw in your logic.
Well, since you it that way.
Gonna be a rough year for Hunter and Sam. Check out the replies. lol
https://x.com/HunterYurachek/status/1865425728734441714
Quote from: animal on Dec 07, 2024, 02:12 PMI think you mean not the people who decided to let a female golfer and some other non-football people help lead the search for what led to a clown parachuting into his introduction presser.
Or sending the AD a love letter.
Yeah, we are guaranteed to hire a winner...
Is this real life?
https://twitter.com/robhogue5/status/1865502296152441122
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 07, 2024, 05:07 PMIs this real life?
https://twitter.com/robhogue5/status/1865502296152441122
Surely this is a troll job.
No thanks
Only if he's willing to play TE. :stache:
Quote from: animal on Dec 07, 2024, 05:13 PMOnly if he's willing to play TE. :stache:
Surely Greene could see how wide open he would be.
Finish what? Destroying the program further?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 01:17 PMthey won 2 games and 0-8 in conference. finished 12th in the sec in total offense. chad morris level.
that line of reasoning is bullshit.
If you beat on state and took the points this year you made money, maybe that is what they did?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 12:11 PMOh, I don't know. Maybe 30+ years of history?
All you've done is complain and dodged questions I've asked. So let's try this again...
What are YOUR expectations for the program and what is YOUR solution to get there?
I will disagree we are a 6 win program for 30+ years. Sure, we were better W/L the last 30 years in the SWC than the first 30 years in the SEC. Let's look at Conference records since we entered the SEC and exclude our 2 years with an Interim coach (1992: 3-4-1 and 2012: 2-6). Prior to the bike wreck, we had 7 winning conference seasons (1 year with 7 wins, 4 more with 6 wins, 3 SEC Western Division Championships of the world, and 1 more west division co-championship), we had 8 losing seasons, and 4 .500 seasons (would have been 7-7-5 if Marc Curles was never born). Even including our 2 interim seasons, we never won fewer than 2 conference games. No one is going to confuse those results with the 20 year run LSU had with Saban, Les, and O, but that is definitely better than a "6 win program." Since the bike wreck, we have had 1 winning season (5-3 in 2015 where we lost at home to Toledo and Texas Tech to destroy any momentum.), 1 .500 season, and 10 losing seasons. We also have had 5 seasons where we won fewer than 2 conference games. Of our 6 coaches in the SEC, I'd argue 2 were better than Sam, 2 were equal to Sam (although Ford's highs were better than Sam's and his lows were better as well), and 1 far worse than Sam. Our SEC history would indicate if we fired Sam, worse case scenario, we'd hire someone comparable and best case scenario we'd improve dramatically.
As far as NIL, I've never been able to find any actual numbers but let's assume for the sake of argument that Arkansas is far behind the other SEC schools. I can only think of 3 reasons for it
1. We are a small, poor state that can't afford to play the NIL game and that won't change even if we hire the ghost of Vince Lombardi.
2. Donors (especially the BMD) are upset Yuri has dramatically increased the prices and donation levels over the past few years for premium football tickets, baseball tickets, and (starting next year) basketball tickets. They have a set amount of money they are willing to spend and all their additional monies are going to the Razorback Foundation because of increased prices.
3. They believe giving Sam money is the equivalent of setting it on fire.
Bringing back Yuri and Sam will not solve any of these problems.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 07, 2024, 05:07 PMIs this real life?
https://twitter.com/robhogue5/status/1865502296152441122
Eat your way to 3 bills?
Since we've joined the SEC we avg 6 wins a year and thst includes bowl games.
Your point #1 is precisely what I'm saying. We are a poor state. Unless large corporations get involved our the fanbase somehow goes all in on donations, it doesn't really matter who you hire. Nothing has shown that it will happen. Only hearsay.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 07, 2024, 05:47 PMEat your way to 3 bills?
The next Jason Peters.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 05:52 PMSince we've joined the SEC we avg 6 wins a year and thst includes bowl games.
Your point #1 is precisely what I'm saying. We are a poor state. Unless large corporations get involved our the fanbase somehow goes all in on donations, it doesn't really matter who you hire. Nothing has shown that it will happen. Only hearsay.
Why are you so intent upon proving this contention? You realize don't you that if you are successful in persuading everyone it will not lead to people being satisfied with Pittman? It will instead lead to complete apathy and we'll spend the next 30 years being a three win program like Vanderbilt was.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 07, 2024, 05:07 PMIs this real life?
https://twitter.com/robhogue5/status/1865502296152441122
Definitely trolling.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 07, 2024, 05:29 PMIf you beat on state and took the points this year you made money, maybe that is what they did?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 07, 2024, 05:29 PMIf you beat on state and took the points this year you made money, maybe that is what they did?
I meant bet on state
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 02:14 PMGonna be a rough year for Hunter and Sam. Check out the replies. lol
https://x.com/HunterYurachek/status/1865425728734441714
Hunter brings it on himself.
Is there another AD who does this for every team on twitter?
What is the point, seems a given that an AD would support that school's athletic teams without having to tweet it for every game.
This performance at the LR touchdown club spoke volumes. Referencing Bret farve in his nil example made no sense - he had little to no national buzz at southern miss. I mean if we are going old school. Use Dan Hampton, lance alworth, Gary Anderson, ron calgani, etc.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 05:52 PMSince we've joined the SEC we avg 6 wins a year and thst includes bowl games.
Your point #1 is precisely what I'm saying. We are a poor state. Unless large corporations get involved our the fanbase somehow goes all in on donations, it doesn't really matter who you hire. Nothing has shown that it will happen. Only hearsay.
Saying we are a 6 win program over the past 30 years is like saying the Chicago Bulls are one of the best run basketball franchises because over the past 35 years, they average one world championship every 5 years.
Surely, you can recognize that we were MUCH better the first 20 years in the SEC than the last 13 and at a minimum with competent coaching we could get back to the level we were at from 1992-2011. I even backed up my argument with 30 years worth of data.
As someone that has driven through Mississippi, Louisiana, and central Missouri multiple times, I refuse to believe Arkansas is poorer than those states or programs. Do you really believe if Pete Carroll wanted to have one last ride before retirement and became our coach next month we wouldn't see a DRAMATIC increase in football NIL? (I obviously believe #3 is the reason for our lack of funds).
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 06:03 PMWhy are you so intent upon proving this contention? You realize don't you that if you are successful in persuading everyone it will not lead to people being satisfied with Pittman? It will instead lead to complete apathy and we'll spend the next 30 years being a three win program like Vanderbilt was.
I encourage you to find one example of my saying I'm satisfied with Pittman. I've said we can hire a better coach than SP but if that better coach does not also come along with a great deal more in MIL, things will stay the same.
My only reason for entertaining staying with Pittman is you have 2 coordinators that can win more games with better talent. They can overcome the nuances of SP.
Hell, if he can win 9 games with KB, Odom and KJ Jefferson at QB, it isn't a stretch to say that BP and Twill can win that or more if they had the talent OM, etc have.
You mentioned Moo St will be better next year. You don't believe that is because he's gonna be a better coach next year. You believe that because he's got more money to gwt better talent. Do you think SP has gotten that kind of support since he's been here to give him (and BP/TWill) a fair shot at winning more games?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 06:24 PMI encourage you to find one example of my saying I'm satisfied with Pittman. I've said we can hire a better coach than SP but if that better coach does not also come along with a great deal more in MIL, things will stay the same.
My only reason for entertaining staying with Pittman is you have 2 coordinators that can win more games with better talent. They can overcome the nuances of SP.
Hell, if he can win 9 games with KB, Odom and KJ Jefferson at QB, it isn't a stretch to say that BP and Twill can win that or more if they had the talent OM, etc have.
You mentioned Moo St will be better next year. You don't believe that is because he's gonna be a better coach next year. You believe that because he's got more money to gwt better talent. Do you think SP has gotten that kind of support since he's been here to give him (and BP/TWill) a fair shot at winning more games?
They can't and they won't overcome Sam Pittman. We're here again next year with you arguing that 4 wins was enough for Sam to keep his job.
Actually, no, I think Lebby might be a decent coach regardless of his talent level.
Quote from: Olhickoryhog on Dec 07, 2024, 06:23 PMSaying we are a 6 win program over the past 30 years is like saying the Chicago Bulls are one of the best run basketball franchises because over the past 35 years, they average one world championship every 5 years.
Surely, you can recognize that we were MUCH better the first 20 years in the SEC than the last 13 and at a minimum with competent coaching we could get back to the level we were at from 1992-2011. I even backed up my argument with 30 years worth of data.
As someone that has driven through Mississippi, Louisiana, and central Missouri multiple times, I refuse to believe Arkansas is poorer than those states or programs. Do you really believe if Pete Carroll wanted to have one last ride before retirement and became our coach next month we wouldn't see a DRAMATIC increase in football NIL? (I obviously believe #3 is the reason for our lack of funds).
The SEC is FAR tougher to win in today than it was 30 years ago. You don't have Mike Shula and Gerry DiNardo roaming the sidelines.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 06:28 PMThey can't and they won't overcome Sam Pittman. We're here again next year with you arguing that 4 wins was enough for Sam to keep his job.
Actually, no, I think Lebby might be a decent coach regardless of his talent level.
If we don't get better talent, you're right.
Arkansas and Moo St have similar talent levels. If he's some good, why was he much worse.?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 06:31 PMIf we don't get better talent, you're right.
Arkansas and Moo St have similar talent levels. If he's some good, why was he much worse.?
I don't know. Why did your hero only win 3 his first year? Why did BMFP only win five his first year?
The guy I'm saying is not the best coach we can get 100 times now is my hero?
Petrino got Mallett his second year. Huge upgrade from Casey Dick.
If you remember we got screwed when they announced a 10 game SEC schedule Pittman's first year. The 3 wins were against regularly scheduled SEC opponents. If we played our normal schedule, that would've been a 6-6 year with a loss to ND.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 06:47 PMThe guy I'm saying is not the best coach we can get 100 times now is my hero?
Petrino got Mallett his second year. Huge upgrade from Casey Dick.
If you remember we got screwed when they announced a 10 game SEC schedule Pittman's first year. The 3 wins were against regularly scheduled SEC opponents. If we played our normal schedule, that would've been a 6-6 year with a loss to ND.
But it wasn't.
I see there are still some that are scared to death to fire a head coach. What's the fear you guys have?
You are the same guys that get scared a coach is going to win here and leave us. How many times has that happened at Arkansas?
Quote from: RazorB on Dec 07, 2024, 06:54 PMI see there are still some that are scared to death to fire a head coach. What's the fear you guys have?
You are the same guys that get scared a coach is going to win here and leave us. How many times has that happened at Arkansas?
nobody is scared to fire a coach. nobody on here can do anything about it.
not saying pittman sucks every fucking post is not the same as not wanting him gone.
Not scared to fire a coach but just firing a coach and hiring another isn't gonna change the results. You better give him the money to compete.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 07, 2024, 05:10 PMNo thanks
Are you crazy? He's gonna be a Heisman finalist!!
https://x.com/Rebels247/status/1865547256687964368?t=C_LbvCQJ2_qdweU2FOxqKg&s=19 (https://x.com/Rebels247/status/1865547256687964368?t=C_LbvCQJ2_qdweU2FOxqKg&s=19)
Can't be. He told Aw Shucks he was all hog.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 06:56 PMNot scared to fire a coach but just firing a coach and hiring another isn't gonna change the results. You better give him the money to compete.
It's been pointed out to you over the last 40 pages that a new hire (or promoting Petrino which is my desire) will ignite the fanbase and the NIL will come.
But since most of us know you could give Pittman Georgia's team and he'd still shit the bed, the NIL money isn't there.
So we'll be here again next year with 2-3 conference wins while they blame the record on the fans.
Quote from: TC on Dec 07, 2024, 07:06 PMIt's been pointed out to you over the last 40 pages that a new hire (or promoting Petrino which is my desire) will ignite the fanbase and the NIL will come.
But since most of us know you could give Pittman Georgia's team and he'd still shit the bed, the NIL money isn't there.
So we'll be here again next year with 2-3 conference wins while they blame the record on the fans.
Rinse, repeat.
No one is giving to NIL with Pittman still running things. They don't have faith in him and HY is the one that saddled us with him and a big buyout that wasn't deserved. No other program was going to steal Pittman away from us.
Quote from: TC on Dec 07, 2024, 07:06 PMIt's been pointed out to you over the last 40 pages that a new hire (or promoting Petrino which is my desire) will ignite the fanbase and the NIL will come.
But since most of us know you could give Pittman Georgia's team and he'd still shit the bed, the NIL money isn't there.
So we'll be here again next year with 2-3 conference wins while they blame the record on the fans.
Well since you pointed it out. No one on this board is gonna piss a drop but you fucking know the money will come. I'll believe it when I see it. You'd think if the people with money wanted to win they'd try harder once NIL went into effect.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 07:43 PMWell since you pointed it out. No one on this board is gonna piss a drop but you fucking know the money will come. I'll believe it when I see it. You'd think if the people with money wanted to win they'd try harder once NIL went into effect.
Why would they do that when the AD and coach spent the first couple of years bitching about it and how horrible it was?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 07:43 PMWell since you pointed it out. No one on this board is gonna piss a drop but you fucking know the money will come. I'll believe it when I see it. You'd think if the people with money wanted to win they'd try harder once NIL went into effect.
The money people didn't like the buyout HY restructured for Pittman. That's why no one ponied up last year. Arkansas has repeatedly pissed off donors for several years now.
Quote from: RazorB on Dec 07, 2024, 07:50 PMThe money people didn't like the buyout HY restructured for Pittman. That's why no one ponied up last year. Arkansas has repeatedly pissed off donors for several years now.
you conveniently leave out the bot who has to approve it.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 07, 2024, 07:49 PMWhy would they do that when the AD and coach spent the first couple of years bitching about it and how horrible it was?
Maybe to try and win more games?
So if we aren't competitive with NIL the coaches should keep quiet about it?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 07, 2024, 05:21 PMFinish what? Destroying the program further?
Skittles. He hid a 50 pound sack under his locker.
Quote from: RazorB on Dec 07, 2024, 07:50 PMThe money people didn't like the buyout HY restructured for Pittman. That's why no one ponied up last year. Arkansas has repeatedly pissed off donors for several years now.
If we have an AD who repeatedly pisses boosters off, why don't they fire him?
Or do our boosters simply not give a shit anymore?
Quote from: Feral on Dec 07, 2024, 08:22 PMIf we have an AD who repeatedly pisses boosters off, why don't they fire him?
Or do our boosters simply not give a shit anymore?
exactly. folks want to completely ignore the guys who actually sign the checks.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 08:25 PMexactly. folks want to completely ignore the guys who actually sign the checks.
I'm violently hatefucking the voodoo doll but I think they actually like the feeling.
https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2024/aug/13/ua-system-trustees-briefed-on-impact-of-nil/
This was printed on August 13,:2024. What has changed since then?
MORRILTON -- Though the rapidly changing landscape of college athletics may soon include schools paying athletes directly -- at least under a proposed settlement to multiple lawsuits -- one member of the University of Arkansas System board of trustees sees a grand opportunity for Razorback athletics.
"We have a top-20 (athletic) program in 'the old world' -- good -- let's be top-5 in the new world," trustee Scott Ford said Tuesday during a briefing for trustees at their annual retreat at the Winthrop Rockefeller Center by UA-Fayetteville Athletic Director Hunter Yurachek and Matt McCoy, the University of Arkansas System senior associate general counsel for Athletics. Rather than "bemoan" the new landscape, "think about using it to our advantage."
"Go raise more (money) than anyone else, (and) let's win," added Ford, co-founder of Westrock Coffee and CEO since 2009. "Let's be a champion of this" new era.
Those who "figure out the rules and how to compete in this (environment) will be the winners," seconded trustee Ed Fryar.
In Arkansas, "people step up, a huge positive for us," Yurachek said. "We have a very giving and supportive state."
For example, Oaklawn Racing Casino Resort recently made a $500,000 donation to the Arkansas Razorbacks Foundation. Oaklawn has also made it possible for jackpot winners to donate to the Razorbacks.
However, the university will need support more than ever if a proposed settlement of class-action lawsuits that challenged the NCAA's prohibition against student-athletes receiving compensation for their name, image, and likeness (NIL) and accessing the market for licensing/sale of their NIL is approved, Yurachek said.
Among other restrictions, the courts have since judged as illegal restraint of trade and antitrust violations by the NCAA.
UA-Fayetteville expects to have to share roughly $21.5 million with student-athletes -- mostly for football and men's basketball players -- next year as part of the proposed settlement, a sum "we don't have sitting there for us."
Entering fiscal year 2024-25, the program has $173 million in expenses and the same in revenues, Yurachek said, so "I need to find levers to increase revenues and decrease expenses" in order to find that $21.5 million next year.
Note: in the email Hunter sent out this fall it only accounted for 17.1 of the 21.5 million
That $21.5 million figure is expected to be the maximum schools in the SEC can pay in the first year of the settlement, "and we intend to participate 100%."
"It's a significant hill to climb, not as simple as flipping a switch and saying 'we're going to be highly competitive,'" he said. "We're working on a plan with several options, (but) we need to find solutions together."
Should the $2.7 billion class-action settlement -- which stems from a lawsuit filed in 2020 by former Arizona State University swimmer Grant House and TCU/University of Oregon basketball player Sedona Prince, as well as Hubbard v. NCAA and Carter v. NCAA -- be approved, it will provide the framework for college sports after July 2025, McCoy said.
Though payments directly from schools -- rather than boosters and other third parties -- would be voluntary, "the reality is if any school does it, all will do it."
Beginning with the 2025-26 academic year, schools would be able to pay student-athletes up to 22% of the average broadcast, sponsorship, and ticket revenue from the five "power" conferences, which includes the SEC.
Schools can categorize how to classify the payments, but student-athletes must report all NIL deals to schools and the "designated reporting entity," McCoy said. Athletic scholarship limits for Division I schools would be eliminated, and new roster limits would be adopted.
Schools and conferences can reduce roster sizes and the number of sports offered, but no scholarships can be taken away from student-athletes already on scholarship, he said. Roster limits also cannot drop below current NCAA scholarship limits.
Most decisions and regulations would be left to individual conferences, but conferences cannot "collude" with one another, and all Division I athletes dating back to 2016 are eligible to receive a share as part of the settlement class, McCoy said.
Schools' contracting with individual athletes will likely be time-consuming and challenging, and other provisions of the proposed settlement -- such as a stipulation that boosters/collectives can't enter into NIL deals with student-athletes unless market rate compensation rates/terms are commensurate with compensation paid to similarly situated individuals with comparable NIL value -- may be ripe for additional lawsuits.
The settlement is likely to be challenged, especially because there's no real legal precedent, said David Curran, the UA System's general counsel and vice president for legal affairs. "It's cutting new territory."
Under the proposed settlement, individual conferences would determine what a "non-legal booster NIL deal" is, as third parties who are non-boosters can pay student-athletes for NIL sans restrictions, McCoy said.
However, entities owned, controlled, or operated by a school are not third parties, so their payments count toward the "cap" on what schools can pay, estimated between $20 million and $22 million.
Schools not in the five power conferences of Division 1 that wish to provide new benefits to student-athletes permitted by the proposed settlement can do so, but are bound by the limits and obligations of the proposed settlement, he said.
The NCAA and conferences are permitted to require progress toward a degree as part of agreements, as well as permit student-athletes to rescind non-compliant NIL deals and return benefits to maintain eligibility to compete.
UA-Fayetteville has been a leader in this new space with its Flagship offering, which provides tutelage for student-athletes on everything from developing limited-liability corporations to how to handle their taxes from NIL income, McCoy said.
The state also passed legislation in 2023 to help schools in Arkansas, including a provision that student-athletes in Arkansas can cancel their college NIL deals when they go professional, not continue to be bound to them.
Even if the proposed settlement is approved, additional questions and concerns will remain, McCoy and Yurachek said.
For example, the question of whether student-athletes are "employees" could be decided by the courts, and schools may struggle with complying with Title IX laws when disbursing funds to student-athletes, as many women's sports don't generate revenue near the amount generated by football and men's basketball.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 07:43 PMWell since you pointed it out. No one on this board is gonna piss a drop but you fucking know the money will come. I'll believe it when I see it. You'd think if the people with money wanted to win they'd try harder once NIL went into effect.
They did for baseball and basketball.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 07, 2024, 08:13 PMSkittles. He hid a 50 pound sack under his locker.
those go bad after about a year. That deer camp 2023 candy I found in my jacket just went down rough.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 07, 2024, 10:04 AMHonestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now.
Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring.
When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best.
Or if Petrino is still the best thing since sliced bread as average Joes can see, surely a coach who has been trained and has deep experience in the sport could recognize that and keep him around?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 08:01 PMyou conveniently leave out the bot who has to approve it.
We need to go to Nvidia or whoever and get out bot reprogrammed
Quote from: egregious on Dec 07, 2024, 08:48 PMWe need to go to Nvidia or whoever and get out bot reprogrammed
we got the special needs ai.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 08:50 PMwe got the special needs ai.
This is Arkansas; we are totally in favor of AI. In fact, we were a pioneer in that field. It's just that... well, we're not sure how artificial insemination is going to actually help the football team win games.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 07, 2024, 08:52 PMThis is Arkansas; we are totally in favor of AI. In fact, we were a pioneer in that field. It's just that... well, we're not sure how artificial insemination is going to actually help the football team win games.
We got thousands of little Darren McFaddens on the way. Of course, DMac didn't understand the artificial insemination and did about half of them himself.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 08:50 PMwe got the special needs ai.
Yuri bought it from Temu
KJ Jefferson got a 7th year of eligibility and will hit the portal. Some thoughts he wants to return to UA
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 07, 2024, 10:42 PMKJ Jefferson got a 7th year of eligibility and will hit the portal. Some thoughts he wants to return to UA
that x post was a troll. he ain't coming back to arkansas.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 07, 2024, 10:42 PMKJ Jefferson got a 7th year of eligibility and will hit the portal. Some thoughts he wants to return to UA
I'll be laughing at the woopig hicks when he and Briles get back together for that Heisman run.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 07, 2024, 12:24 PMIve expected better since at least 1985.
When are we going to be better?
Hold. That. Rope.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 07, 2024, 08:02 PMMaybe to try and win more games?
Pittman is 4 of 14 in games decided by a touchdown or less. That's with multiple coordinators on both sides of the ball.
That's not a NIL problem.
Does he still have a good record against the spread? There for a while the people in Vegas fucking loved his predictability.
Quote from: TC on Dec 08, 2024, 12:57 AMPittman is 4 of 14 in games decided by a touchdown or less. That's with multiple coordinators on both sides of the ball.
That's not a NIL problem.
He's actually 7 of 24, but the point stands.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 07, 2024, 11:31 AMYou know what's better than Razorback athletics? Oaklawn Park. Come holler at your boy.
Your little bitch ass would just hide.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 08, 2024, 07:23 AMHe's actually 7 of 24, but the point stands.
Clearly to man just needs more money to throw around.
Better talent typically wins more games. Mot sure why it's that hard to grasp. We can definitely upgrade in coaching but we're gonna have to upgrade our talent to avf 8 wins a year.
Just upgrading a coach isn't going to do it alone. If you think changing coaches will bring more money, I'm all in.
I seem to be in the minority in thinking that giving better talent to the coach that had our best 2 sessons in the SEC history will also being more wins.
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Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 12:35 PMBetter talent typically wins more games. Mot sure why it's that hard to grasp. We can definitely upgrade in coaching but we're gonna have to upgrade our talent to avf 8 wins a year.
Just upgrading a coach isn't going to do it alone. If you think changing coaches will bring more money, I'm all in.
I seem to be in the minority in thinking that giving better talent to the coach that had our best 2 sessons in the SEC history will also being more wins.
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Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster. That's your problem.
Well, at least we're not still having the same conversation over and over. 🙄
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 08, 2024, 01:15 PMWell, at least we're not still having the same conversation over and over. 🙄
Eh, I'm done. If we have fans that can't comprehend better players increase your chance in winning, I don't know what to tell ya.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 01:30 PMEh, I'm done. If we have fans that can't comprehend better players increase your chance in winning, I don't know what to tell ya.
Yeah, it's amazing how everyone here doesn't understand that except for you, right?
Or maybe they think that NIL money is part of getting those players, but getting the right coach is part of it as well.
Or that part of getting NIL money is getting a coach that doesn't have a losing record after 5 years and get people to reach in their pockets.
Or that if you have the Jimmies and Joes but suck at the Xs and Os, you'll still lose.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 01:30 PMEh, I'm done. If we have fans that can't comprehend better players increase your chance in winning, I don't know what to tell ya.
Give Sam Georgia's players and he's just slightly better than his 2-3 conf. wins and 7-24 in games decided by less than a td.
You think our biggest issue is lack of talent when it's not. It's having Sam Pittman as the "ceo."
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 07, 2024, 10:53 PMthat x post was a troll. he ain't coming back to arkansas.
We need some offensive linemen
Quote from: Feral on Dec 08, 2024, 02:50 PMWe need some offensive linemen
tomorrow will be when the fun begins, just maybe not for the hogs.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 08, 2024, 02:52 PMtomorrow will be when the fun begins, just maybe not for the hogs.
Rumor is the Metcalfs are on the way out, and that there will be a slew of portal defections.
Funny how Pittman has the rep of being a lovable CEO players coach but no one wants to play for him.
Wonder who this year's locker room issues will be blamed on. Sam's already used the DBs coach, the S&C coaches, and numerous players as sacrificial lambs. Who will it be this year?
Quote from: Feral on Dec 08, 2024, 02:55 PMRumor is the Metcalfs are on the way out, and that there will be a slew of portal defections.
Funny how Pittman has the rep of being a lovable CEO players coach but no one wants to play for him.
Wonder who this year's locker room issues will be blamed on. Sam's already used the DBs coach, the S&C coaches, and numerous players as sacrificial lambs. Who will it be this year?
Us.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 08, 2024, 02:50 PMWe need some offensive linemen
what do we NOT need?
Quote from: Feral on Dec 08, 2024, 02:55 PMRumor is the Metcalfs are on the way out, and that there will be a slew of portal defections.
well their dad tweeted his donation to edge today so that would be awkward.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 08, 2024, 02:55 PMRumor is the Metcalfs are on the way out, and that there will be a slew of portal defections.
I don't follow players or their families, but this post popped up on my Twitter feed earlier, fwiw:
https://twitter.com/MetcalfNeely/status/1865788496562045391
Of course, Kutas was all Hog and hated Ole Miss his whole life until he didn't a few minutes later, so who knows?
Quote from: TC on Dec 08, 2024, 02:19 PMGive Sam Georgia's players and he's just slightly better than his 2-3 conf. wins and 7-24 in games decided by less than a td.
You think our biggest issue is lack of talent when it's not. It's having Sam Pittman as the "ceo."
We've had one of the worst Oline's in the country the last 2'years. We have a QB that can't make accurste throws, misses open receivers, and funbeled 13 times. If you can't see we have talent issues you either do not know football or are blind.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 08, 2024, 03:02 PMI don't follow players or their families, but this post popped up on my Twitter feed earlier, fwiw:
https://twitter.com/MetcalfNeely/status/1865788496562045391
Of course, Kutas was all Hog and hated Ole Miss his whole life until he didn't a few minutes later, so who knows?
anyone else find it odd that a players parent is giving money to the school's NIL ?
They can do it but the coach/AD/staff can't - what a world.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 03:02 PMWe've had one of the worst Oline's in the country the last 2'years. We have a QB that can't make accurste throws, misses open receivers, and funbeled 13 times. If you can't see we have talent issues you either do not know football or are blind.
I didnt say talent was not AN issue, it's just not our biggest. Sam Pittman is, and it seems pretty clear to everyone but you.
Probably donated 5 bucks so they could make that post.
It's actually not a bad idea. Get parents of all players to do something similar. Dumbasses all over Arkansas follow/stalk players and their families. It would be good marketing. But we are too stupid to actually come up with that.
Quote from: TC on Dec 08, 2024, 03:11 PMI didnt say talent was not AN issue, it's just not our biggest. Sam Pittman is, and it seems pretty clear to everyone but you.
Holy fuck! For the 100th time I have not ONCE said Pittman is the answer.
We have really good coordinators.
We have shit talent
If we had better talent, we would win more games.
And yes, we could also win more games with a different coach.
If that means I think we need to stick with Pittman, I don't what to tell ya.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 03:41 PMHoly fuck! For the 100th time I have not ONCE said Pittman is the answer.
80% of your posts in this thread support and defend HY and SP pointing at the fans and our lack of NIL support as the main reason for our shitty records. And when cornered on it, you then ask that age-old, beaten down Hog fan question, "But guys..who we gonna get to replace him?"
Find where I support Pittman. Find where I support HY. Whether you keep the same coach or hire a new coach, you're gonna have to invest in NIL to bring in better talent if you want to compete in this league. What I then said was if we don't significantly up our MIL (to bring in better talent) what coach is gonna take the job and make a difference.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 04:45 PMFind where I support Pittman. Find where I support HY. Whether you keep the same coach or hire a new coach, you're gonna have to invest in NIL to bring in better talent if you want to compete in this league. What I then said was if we don't significantly up our MIL (to bring in better talent) what coach is gonna take the job and make a difference.
How long do you propose we keep Fatboy around while we magically upgrade our NIL and talent?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 04:45 PMWhether you keep the same coach or hire a new coach, you're gonna have to invest in NIL ..
Agreed. But it's not happening as long as Sam is here.
And I didn't say you supported them, I said you supported their idea that their shitty record is the fans fault. We just need more NiL to win more. It's a bullshit excuse.
Let's play a game-- who is the next player to announce he's entering the portal, or otherwise "opt-out" of our great trip to Memphis in later this month?
Since they have announced the bowl, I figure there will be several.
I'd hit the portal and come back later just to avoid a trip to Memphis.
For the record, my prediction is Braylen Russell. Something just doesn't feel right about his disappearance the last couple of games.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 08, 2024, 03:07 PManyone else find it odd that a players parent is giving money to the school's NIL ?
They can do it but the coach/AD/staff can't - what a world.
Yep that's a bit strange...maybe they just wanted to experiment with what it looks like for the fans doing it.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 05:52 PMFor the record, my prediction is Braylen Russell. Something just doesn't feel right about his disappearance the last couple of games.
That would be my pick as well.
Some guy named Dallas Young left the team as well...not sure if it's been posted.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 04:45 PMFind where I support Pittman. Find where I support HY. Whether you keep the same coach or hire a new coach, you're gonna have to invest in NIL to bring in better talent if you want to compete in this league. What I then said was if we don't significantly up our MIL (to bring in better talent) what coach is gonna take the job and make a difference.
So you're just playing Devils's Advocate. Acknowledge it and move the fuck on.
Nothing will improve with HY/Pitt in charge but blaming the fans is low hanging fruit.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 07:14 PMSo you're just playing Devils's Advocate. Acknowledge it and move the fuck on.
Nothing will improve with HY/Pitt in charge but blaming the fans is low hanging fruit.
Your turn... where did I blame the fans? I said we are gonna have to up our NIL to compete. It's got to come from somewhere. I don't give a shit where it comes from. Can fans give more and increase the current talent level, yes they can if they choose.
If you want to win 8 games a year on avg, you're gonna have to get better talent to do it. Even if you hire a new coach. I don't expect to win 8 games a year with a mew coach and the same level of talent.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 08:59 PMYour turn... where did I blame the fans? I said we are gonna have to up our NIL to compete. It's got to come from somewhere. I don't give a shit where it comes from. Can fans give more and increase the current talent level, yes they can if they choose.
If you want to win 8 games a year on avg, you're gonna have to get better talent to do it. Even if you hire a new coach. I don't expect to win 8 games a year with a mew coach and the same level of talent.
Then start with Oaklawn and the legislature so the university can demonstrate they're serious. In the meantime I won't blame any "regular" fan for not giving a fucking dime to that circus beyond their RF donation.
And yes, you're absolutely blaming the fans for the lack of talent.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 09:11 PMThen start with Oaklawn and the legislature so the university can demonstrate they're serious. In the meantime I won't blame any "regular" fan for not giving a fucking dime to that circus beyond their RF donation.
And yes, you're absolutely blaming the fans for the lack of talent.
I hate the term "serious" in this discussion. If you don't think all these people are "serious" in their beliefs about what should be done, you are just crazy. They may not be correct, but they are serious.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:21 PMI hate the term "serious" in this discussion. If you don't think all these people are "serious" in their beliefs about what should be done, you are just crazy. They may not be correct, but they are serious.
That wasn't meant as a shot at anyone but the university. Do you think they have done all they could to fulfill NIL funds?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 09:24 PMThat wasn't meant as a shot at anyone but the university. Do you think they have done all they could to fulfill NIL funds?
From what I have heard, they have spent a lot of time on the phone lines hitting people up for donations, including all the fat cats that so many people on this board seem to think should fund everything. Some people I know personally have been contacted repeatedly and given "different options for giving." What the hell are they supposed to do? What is "all they could do to fulfill NIL funds" to you?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 09:11 PMThen start with Oaklawn and the legislature so the university can demonstrate they're serious. In the meantime I won't blame any "regular" fan for not giving a fucking dime to that circus beyond their RF donation.
And yes, you're absolutely blaming the fans for the lack of talent.
By saying we don't have enough in NIL to pay for better players?
You obviously agree we have a lack of talent. Why is that?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:35 PMFrom what I have heard, they have spent a lot of time on the phone lines hitting people up for donations, including all the fat cats that so many people on this board seem to think should fund everything. Some people I know personally have been contacted repeatedly and given "different options for giving." What the hell are they supposed to do? What is "all they could do to fulfill NIL funds" to you?
I think that is what everyone is waiting to happen and if they come together and agree to put in $20M then hallelujah! If that takes firing Pittman, I'm the first to sign up. That at least puts us in the discussion to compete.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:35 PMFrom what I have heard, they have spent a lot of time on the phone lines hitting people up for donations, including all the fat cats that so many people on this board seem to think should fund everything. Some people I know personally have been contacted repeatedly and given "different options for giving." What the hell are they supposed to do? What is "all they could do to fulfill NIL funds" to you?
How many of them have been personally lobbied by Sam like Kiffin or Calipari do?
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:35 PMFrom what I have heard, they have spent a lot of time on the phone lines hitting people up for donations, including all the fat cats that so many people on this board seem to think should fund everything. Some people I know personally have been contacted repeatedly and given "different options for giving." What the hell are they supposed to do? What is "all they could do to fulfill NIL funds" to you?
Oh I don't know. Maybe answer Saracen's phone call? Put pressure on the legislature to accept that deal? Not insult the team, state, and fans in general with that Blue Light bullshit? Fuck that, let's keep cold calling ticket holders for more money and then bitching when they don't want to invest in the Titanic.
Btw, how did that NIL contribution work out for us with Kutas, Braxton, et al who were supposedly worth the money but chose not to play?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 09:49 PMI think that is what everyone is waiting to happen and if they come together and agree to put in $20M then hallelujah! If that takes firing Pittman, I'm the first to sign up. That at least puts us in the discussion to compete.
I admit I am really confused by this whole $20M figure, but isn't that revenue sharing money that has nothing to do with NIL money?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 09:50 PMOh I don't know. Maybe answer Saracen's phone call? Put pressure on the legislature to accept that deal? Not insult the team, state, and fans in general with that Blue Light bullshit? Fuck that, let's keep cold calling ticket holders for more money and then bitching when they don't want to invest in the Titanic.
Btw, how did that NIL contribution work out for us with Kutas, Braxton, et al who were supposedly worth the money but chose not to play?
Wait a minute, are you expecting these players to actually want to play for our coach after we pay them?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 09:50 PMOh I don't know. Maybe answer Saracen's phone call? Put pressure on the legislature to accept that deal? Not insult the team, state, and fans in general with that Blue Light bullshit? Fuck that, let's keep cold calling ticket holders for more money and then bitching when they don't want to invest in the Titanic.
Btw, how did that NIL contribution work out for us with Kutas, Braxton, et al who were supposedly worth the money but chose not to play?
Well, your statement is internally inconsistent, but ok. I agree on the Oaklawn/Saracen deal. But really that is all you got? I don't even know what the "Blue Light" thing you mentioned is, but I donate monthly to the NIL. Do you?
And your last question makes it sound like the NIL doesn't mean anything anyway. If that is true, why are you bitching about it?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 09:49 PMI think that is what everyone is waiting to happen and if they come together and agree to put in $20M then hallelujah! If that takes firing Pittman, I'm the first to sign up. That at least puts us in the discussion to compete.
I completely agree. For the record, I don't hate Pittman and didn't want him fired previously. The system as a whole is completely fucked as it is, and I don't think the fanbase has enough confindence in him or the admin to pony up more money. Coaching searches are a total crapshoot for everyone, not just AR, but it's my opinion that it's worth the risk. Before you ask again, I have no fucking clue who would be a good hire. It just feels like the status quo is quicksand at this point.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:52 PMI admit I am really confused by this whole $20M figure, but isn't that revenue sharing money that has nothing to do with NIL money?
My understanding is revenue sharing will be equal amongst teams. We have no edge. You're still gonna have an NIL war.
HTL says he's heard we will be over $10M in true MIL this year. Take that with a grain of salt.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:57 PMWell, your statement is internally inconsistent, but ok. I agree on the Oaklawn/Saracen deal. But really that is all you got? I don't even know what the "Blue Light" thing you mentioned is, but I donate monthly to the NIL. Do you?
And your last question makes it sound like the NIL doesn't mean anything anyway. If that is true, why are you bitching about it?
Then go find the clip and attempt to defend it. Please.
I'm bitching about it because fans are expected to pay salaries to players who then choose not to play to maintain their eligibility. If you don't understand that then this is a very short conversation.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 09:57 PMWell, your statement is internally inconsistent, but ok. I agree on the Oaklawn/Saracen deal. But really that is all you got? I don't even know what the "Blue Light" thing you mentioned is, but I donate monthly to the NIL. Do you?
And your last question makes it sound like the NIL doesn't mean anything anyway. If that is true, why are you bitching about it?
Oh nothing, just a Kmart reference made by Pittman about being cheap, on national tv, while standing on our WalMart sponsored field.
CEO!
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 09:58 PMI completely agree. For the record, I don't hate Pittman and didn't want him fired previously. The system as a whole is completely fucked as it is, and I don't think the fanbase has enough confindence in him or the admin to pony up more money. Coaching searches are a total crapshoot for everyone, not just AR, but it's my opinion that it's worth the risk. Before you ask again, I have no fucking clue who would be a good hire. It just feels like the status quo is quicksand at this point.
If we get our NIL in order, we can attract a coach that can make a difference. If not, we have nothing to sell as a program.
A very Hooten Dale sort of passive aggressive shot at the fans it was.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 09:59 PMMy understanding is revenue sharing will be equal amongst teams. We have no edge. You're still gonna have an NIL war.
HTL says he's heard we will be over $10M in true MIL this year. Take that with a grain of salt.
It's just so hard to understand what is going on. I agree the revenue sharing comes next year and will be equal-- as I understand it. But I am not sure I do. And what the true NIL amount is we have is completely a mystery, complicated by many factors. For instance, how much is Frank Fletcher paying particular players directly? We really don't know.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:04 PMIf we get our NIL in order, we can attract a coach that can make a difference. If not, we have nothing to sell as a program.
We're not going to fix NIL with Pittman. It ain't happening. We're going to have fire him, and sell a coach on a renewed commitment to it. And that coach is going to have to be a coach who is very proactive about NIL in the way Calipari and Kiffin are.
Maybe just start with this. Does anyone think we can compete in the SEC with our current NIL collective with the coach of your choice?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 08, 2024, 10:02 PMI'm bitching about it because fans are expected to pay salaries to players who then choose not to play to maintain their eligibility. If you don't understand that then this is a very short conversation.
And that's the fans's fault?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:04 PMIf we get our NIL in order, we can attract a coach that can make a difference. If not, we have nothing to sell as a program.
Again, I agree. It's chicken and egg. We aren't cheap when it comes to baseball and basketball due to the faith in the coaches/programs. My hope is that the right football coach would have the same effect.
I could also shit in the other hand and see which fills up first.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 08, 2024, 10:06 PMIt's just so hard to understand what is going on. I agree the revenue sharing comes next year and will be equal-- as I understand it. But I am not sure I do. And what the true NIL amount is we have is completely a mystery, complicated by many factors. For instance, how much is Frank Fletcher paying particular players directly? We really don't know.
I've heard we paid KJ and Green around $750k. No idea if it's right but it's all I've got to go by.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:08 PMMaybe just start with this. Does anyone think we can compete in the SEC with our current NIL collective with the coach of your choice?
Sure
All we need is about a dozen 5 star kids that aren't interested "worldly possessions" and care deeply about school spirit and teamwork. Then we'll need a coach that can pull it all together, someone that players want to run thru a wall for.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 08, 2024, 10:08 PMWe're not going to fix NIL with Pittman. It ain't happening. We're going to have fire him, and sell a coach on a renewed commitment to it. And that coach is going to have to be a coach who is very proactive about NIL in the way Calipari and Kiffin are.
Cal had a relationship with Tyson which helped tremendously. He also said he didn't want to have to work for NIL and made us commit to what he wanted. My guess this is where Tuson brought the Stephen's and Walton's together right after Cal was hired. We are gonna have to get that same commitment but on a larger level. Are these mega donors willing to carry the weight for all 3 sports with very little coming from the fans? Who knows...
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:10 PMI've heard we paid KJ and Green around $750k. No idea if it's right but it's all I've got to go by.
I've "heard" such things, but really have no idea how accurate that is.
Quote from: animal on Dec 08, 2024, 10:10 PMSure
All we need is about a dozen 5 star kids that aren't interested "worldly possessions" and care deeply about school spirit and teamwork. Then we'll need a coach that can pull it all together, someone that players want to run thru a wall for.
Seems reasonable
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:16 PMCal had a relationship with Tyson which helped tremendously. He also said he didn't want to have to work for NIL and made us commit to what he wanted. My guess this is where Tuson brought the Stephen's and Walton's together right after Cal was hired. We are gonna have to get that same commitment but on a larger level. Are these mega donors willing to carry the weight for all 3 sports with very little coming from the fans? Who knows...
Cal immediately started lobbying for more. He had meetings with the whales immediately. We're going to have to get a candidate that excites people and let him work it. And raising NIL is now one of the top priorities of any successful coach. It has to be until things change. No coach can sit back and wait for people to give. He is going to have to work at it.
Btw, we sell out BWA @20k. We draw 70k for football. We bring in 11k every SEC weekend in baseball.
If 20k fans donated $100 a month ($1200 a year), that's $24M in NIL. Of course large donors will cut that number significantly but I'm a little surprised thst we don't have 20k fans that could match that.
Agsin, I'm not blaming the fans for not doing it. Just surprised we aren't closer to that number than we are.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 08, 2024, 10:21 PMCal immediately started lobbying for more. He had meetings with the whales immediately. We're going to have to get a candidate that excites people and let him work it. And raising NIL is now one of the top priorities of any successful coach. It has to be until things change. No coach can sit back and wait for people to give. He is going to have to work at it.
I would love to know how other coaches are doing it. Mainly OM.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:08 PMMaybe just start with this. Does anyone think we can compete in the SEC with our current NIL collective with the coach of your choice?
Yes. But your premise that current collective is equal to future, I do not agree with.
It's an exercise in futility now so it doesn't matter. Sam's here thru next season. Unless that big ole tub of Hog love wants to bring home one last Liberty Bowl trophy then retires a hero and hands the reigns off to Bobby..
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:31 PMI would love to know how other coaches are doing it. Mainly OM.
It ain't no secret. Kiffin directly lobbies EVERYONE for NIL money. Unlike Arkansas, they realized from the start that it was a chance for them to be better than they ever had.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:29 PMBtw, we sell out BWA @20k. We draw 70k for football. We bring in 11k every SEC weekend in baseball.
If 20k fans donated $100 a month ($1200 a year), that's $24M in NIL. Of course large donors will cut that number significantly but I'm a little surprised thst we don't have 20k fans that could match that.
Agsin, I'm not blaming the fans for not doing it. Just surprised we aren't closer to that number than we are.
You're surprised that our football donations are down?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:31 PMI would love to know how other coaches are doing it. Mainly OM.
There is nearly zero chance that there are 20,000 Ole Miss fans donating anywhere close to $100/month. And in this only slightly less dirt poor state we can't do it either. Hell, I can't afford to give that much without cannibalizing my foundation donation, which I would happily do if we could designate the RF money we give for ticket priority to NIL instead.
I had this discussion in a meeting with a rep from our collective. They believe that most of the OM donors are towards the lower end of the monthly amounts. The number $10/month was mentioned.
Every little bit helps, and I will say that the Edge folks realize this now. But we aren't moving the needle significantly through monthly giving, and neither is Ole Miss.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 08, 2024, 10:10 PMI've heard we paid KJ and Green around $750k. No idea if it's right but it's all I've got to go by.
I've always heard $900k for Green and we just gave him another raise to stay on for next year.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 09, 2024, 05:26 AMI've always heard $900k for Green and we just gave him another raise to stay on for next year.
What an ROI that is. College football is going to die.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 09, 2024, 05:55 AMWhat an ROI that is. College football is going to die.
This is where I am.
No way does this makes any financial sense unless money is meaningless.
Worse than the poor playing slots the casino. At least they have a shot at winning and walking away at anytime.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 09, 2024, 05:55 AMWhat an ROI that is. College football is going to die.
Do players enter into a contractual agreement now when they receive NIL money?
If so, is it standardized across the NCAA or is it unique to schools/players?
If standardized, what are the contractual obligations on the player's part?
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Dec 09, 2024, 06:58 AMThis is where I am.
No way does this makes any financial sense unless money is meaningless.
Worse than the poor playing slots the casino. At least they have a shot at winning and walking away at anytime.
In theory I agree.
In reality the market will sort it out, eventually.
Quote from: TC on Dec 09, 2024, 12:03 AMYou're surprised that our football donations are down?
No, I'm just giving an example of what it would teke to obtain $24M without asking for large donations. This is with no large donations. I'm sure we have 20k fans that COULD give that much.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 09, 2024, 05:55 AMWhat an ROI that is. College football is going to die.
That's part of they I posted the video below. Obviously investor's see something. I don't see how this could legally work with state funded universities.
https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526?t=7kATXQ0_RlT2Nmo67ZgqKA&s=19 (https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526?t=7kATXQ0_RlT2Nmo67ZgqKA&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 09, 2024, 08:22 AMThat's part of they I posted the video below. Obviously investor's see something. I don't see how this could legally work with state funded universities.
https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526?t=7kATXQ0_RlT2Nmo67ZgqKA&s=19 (https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1865184030259376526?t=7kATXQ0_RlT2Nmo67ZgqKA&s=19)
Based on the way things have gone in the last 20-25 years here, I'd say we've handed ours over to a few wealthy boosters relatively free of charge.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 09, 2024, 08:15 AMNo, I'm just giving an example of what it would teke to obtain $24M without asking for large donations. This is with no large donations. I'm sure we have 20k fans that COULD give that much.
I think your numbers are going to be off. I'm guessing a lot of the basketball and baseball ticket holders also have football, if not all three.
Not everybody is a Rick B, but I'm thinking there are a lot that have at least 2 out of 3.
Wasn't NIL supposed to compensate athletes for the University making money off their name? Why is this the fans obligation to pay them?
Quote from: aaron on Dec 09, 2024, 08:56 AMWasn't NIL supposed to compensate athletes for the University making money off their name? Why is this the fans obligation to pay them?
Nil was to allow then to make money off their name image and likeness like the ea sports game, lessons, endorsements, etc.
The nli they sign for the scholarship allows the university to use their image in return for the scholarship, etc.
The rev share is part of the house settlement which will allow them a cut of the revenue they help the schools make.
The schools want fans to foot the bill because they don't want to pay for it and start being financially responsible and actually run like a business. The days of Monopoly money are likely over but will head coach amd AD and staff salary start to decline?
South Carolina's new AD is starting at $1.9 million while Grundy had to take a pay cut at Oklahoma state but he is still getting paid handsomely.
The amount of money waste in college athletics rivals congress.
So are any woopiggers actually donating? I figure we have a higher level of fan support here, and I assume a higher than average income level (with one bazillionaire) compared to the state average.
If they can't even get a few donors here, they're never getting 100 a month from 20k fans.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 09, 2024, 09:13 AMSo are any woopiggers actually donating? I figure we have a higher level of fan support here, and I assume a higher than average income level (with one bazillionaire) compared to the state average.
If they can't even get a few donors here, they're never getting 100 a month from 20k fans.
I give a small amount, but it's all I can justify with the amount I spend in tickets and RF donations.
I did meet with one of the Edge reps regarding possibly doing something through our business. The minimum business package was $5,000 per year, and didn't really make sense from a profitability perspective. I can't justify spending it simply as a fan with no ROI for my company. It's encouraging that they do have someone dedicated to business outreach, and he seems to know what he's doing. We are just so far behind after Yurachek spent 2-3 years campaigning to get NIL overturned or regulated while our rivals were getting their infrastructure and donors in place. And to be fair, with football they have a shit product to sell right now.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 09, 2024, 09:19 AMI give a small amount, but it's all I can justify with the amount I spend in tickets and RF donations.
I did meet with one of the Edge reps regarding possibly doing something through our business. The minimum business package was $5,000 per year, and didn't really make sense from a profitability perspective. I can't justify spending it simply as a fan with no ROI for my company. It's encouraging that they do have someone dedicated to business outreach, and he seems to know what he's doing. We are just so far behind after Yurachek spent 2-3 years campaigning to get NIL overturned or regulated while our rivals were getting their infrastructure and donors in place. And to be fair, with football they have a shit product to sell right now.
If instead of pissing and moaning about NIL and trying to get it overturned, we had hit the ground running and capitalized on the excitement after Sam's one good season, we might be in a different spot now. But we didn't and as you say, the product is bad now.
I don't give and won't be giving. However, if I did and my money went to pay towards hundreds of thousands of dollars to the likes of KJ Jefferson, Green, ect, I would likely be pissed.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 09, 2024, 09:13 AMSo are any woopiggers actually donating? I figure we have a higher level of fan support here, and I assume a higher than average income level (with one bazillionaire) compared to the state average.
If they can't even get a few donors here, they're never getting 100 a month from 20k fans.
As I have said, I give monthly to the NIL. Just $100, but it's something.
Quote from: aaron on Dec 09, 2024, 09:54 AMI don't give and won't be giving. However, if I did and my money went to pay towards hundreds of thousands of dollars to the likes of KJ Jefferson, Green, ect, I would likely be pissed.
One of the questions I had was, why should I give through the collective versus outright sponsoring a player and cutting out the middleman? The response was that giving to the collective helps insulate you from the possibility of that player either tanking on the field or getting into trouble off of it, potentially causing damage to your brand by association. I imagine I wasn't the first prospect to ask that question, and while I didn't bring up specific players (Jefferson) I'm sure others did.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 09, 2024, 09:19 AMWe are just so far behind after Yurachek spent 2-3 years campaigning to get NIL overturned or regulated while our rivals were getting their infrastructure and donors in place. And to be fair, with football they have a shit product to sell right now.
What irks me is that HY dropped the ball on NIL and is blaming the fans for it. Now that the product is shit, it's a larger hill to get over
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 09, 2024, 10:35 AMWhat irks me is that HY dropped the ball on NIL and is blaming the fans for it. Now that the product is shit, it's a larger hill to get over
He should have anticipated that NIL was going to become a complete fraud, and end up in just direct payments to players almost right away? At the beginning, only A&M was going that route, and they were being made fun of for it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 09, 2024, 10:52 AMHe should have anticipated that NIL was going to become a complete fraud, and end up in just direct payments to players almost right away? At the beginning, only A&M was going that route, and they were being made fun of for it.
Yes, because it was entirely predictable. That's why the NCAA was so against payments from any source. One the door was cracked, that was it.
This isn't new ground. The NCAA developed because this exact same stuff was happening in the 1920s during the first wave of popularity for college football.
Until they fix the transfer rule, it's going to get worse until it spirals into the ground. Don't care at this point.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 09, 2024, 10:52 AMHe should have anticipated that NIL was going to become a complete fraud, and end up in just direct payments to players almost right away? At the beginning, only A&M was going that route, and they were being made fun of for it.
No. Instead of actively trying to fight NIL from being implemented after the court decision was already made, he should have accepted it and worked as best he could within the system. Did you forget that our AD was the leader of some supposed coalition of schools trying to do away with or neuter NIL?
Even the people at Edge acknowledge that we are way behind our peers. It's not just the amount of money coming in either.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 09, 2024, 11:04 AMUntil they fix the transfer rule, it's going to get worse until it spirals into the ground. Don't care at this point.
This is the main thing. Letting the kids get paid isn't the problem.
The issue is that we have free agency for the players with no contract protection for the schools. Eliminating the free transfer rule, or even just limiting it to one transfer without penalty, would go a long way towards correcting the market and curtailing the annual auction process.
Both the Metcalf boys are gone.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 09, 2024, 11:09 AMBoth the Metcalf boys are gone.
Less than 24 hours after their mother posted a receipt for a donation to ArkansasEdge.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 09, 2024, 11:04 AMUntil they fix the transfer rule, it's going to get worse until it spirals into the ground. Don't care at this point.
Yep.
NIL is a huge problem, but it's not THE problem. The unlimited transfer rule is what has exacerbated the entire pay for play issue.
The only way to slightly combat it is to re-institute the old transfer rule (or a modified version of it). That way you don't have players constantly jumping for a short term bag.
You want to transfer? Great, you're sitting a year. You already redshirted? Too bad, you're still juicing a year of eligibility.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 09, 2024, 11:10 AMLess than 24 hours after their mother posted a receipt for a donation to ArkansasEdge.
Told yall.
The discord rumors are batting 1.000 so far.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 09, 2024, 11:09 AMBoth the Metcalf boys are gone.
Please tell me this one is a cruel joke.
Oh crap, it's not.
https://x.com/max_olson/status/1866163959360794917
We're a nice little feeder program for Ole Miss. If they show potential here, Lane will get them up for a nice payday.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 09, 2024, 11:09 AMBoth the Metcalf boys are gone.
And the other Hasz. And some other kid.
I think it is pretty clear that there is an issue beyond NIL. We are not losing this many players due to money issues. Some, sure. But not 17 players. Particularly starters who are not stars.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 09, 2024, 11:29 AMI think it is pretty clear that there is an issue beyond NIL. We are not losing this many players due to money issues. Some, sure. But not 17 players.
listen to kiffin or stay in denial:
"You take a 17-year-old who, a lot of them, don't come from money and family doesn't come from money ... if any person tells you that their NIL is not the No. 1 thing ... take 100 of them and ask about the No. 1 thing that's going to make the decision ... it's not the size of the stadium, not the head coach, not the campus or the conference, the No. 1 thing will be money."
"It's totally changed recruiting. I joke all the time about it. Facilities and all that. Go ahead and build facilities and these great weight rooms and training rooms, but you ain't gonna have any good players in them if you don't have NIL money. I don't care who the coach is or how hard you recruit, that is not going to win over money."
I'm sure the Hasz brothers both left because of money.
By the way, most of the players who leave are going to lower level schools. It isn't like they are jumping ship and being bought by LSU, Florida, etc. They are going to Central Fucking Florida.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 09, 2024, 11:34 AMI'm sure the Hasz brothers both left because of money.
By the way, most of the players who leave are going to lower level schools. It isn't like they are jumping ship and being bought by LSU, Florida, etc. They are going to Central Fucking Florida.
ok.
To be clear, I'm not saying money isn't part of the problem. But "ok" doesn't make your argument valid.
You really believe Arkansas can't compete with Central Florida in the NIL game?
You're also tell me that there isn't any other reasons why 17 scholarship players are jumping ship? It's only about the money?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 09, 2024, 11:39 AMTo be clear, I'm not saying money isn't part of the problem. But "ok" doesn't make your argument valid.
You really believe Arkansas can't compete with Central Florida in the NIL game?
You're also tell me that there isn't any other reasons why 17 scholarship players are jumping ship? It's only about the money?
those players going to central florida are 3rd stringers who know they aren't going to see the field. it's not rocket science.
paul went to ole miss for money - his dad said so on x. dj metcalf will probably end up at ole miss also, and you're fooling yourself if you think money has nothing to do with it.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 09, 2024, 11:45 AMthose players going to central florida are 3rd stringers who know they aren't going to see the field. it's not rocket science.
paul went to ole miss for money - his dad said so on x. dj metcalf will probably end up at ole miss also, and you're fooling yourself if you think money has nothing to do with it.
And you're fooling yourself if you think our coach has nothing to do with the lack of money.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 09, 2024, 11:45 AMthose players going to central florida are 3rd stringers who know they aren't going to see the field. it's not rocket science.
paul went to ole miss for money - his dad said so on x. dj metcalf will probably end up at ole miss also, and you're fooling yourself if you think money has nothing to do with it.
I guess I wasn't clear when I wrote, "We are not losing this many players due to money issues. Some, sure. But not 17 players."
I have followed the Hogs for 60 years and held season tickets for 30 years but I hate what college football is becoming; however, I learned long ago that the only behavior I can change is my own.
If I am going to be forced to watch/follow what amounts to an unregulated, poorly managed, developmental pro football league on Fall Saturdays then I might as well save my Saturdays for more enjoyable activities and watch the real professionals on Sundays instead.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 09, 2024, 12:12 PMI have followed the Hogs for 60 years and held season tickets for 30 years but I hate what college football is becoming; however, I learned long ago that the only behavior I can change is my own.
If I am going to be forced to watch/follow what amounts to an unregulated, poorly managed, developmental pro football league on Fall Saturdays then I might as well save my Saturdays for more enjoyable activities and watch the real professionals on Sundays instead.
Totally where I am.
Worry about what you control and let go of the other.
I rather play pickleball and luckily realized this several years ago.
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Dec 09, 2024, 12:16 PMTotally where I am.
Worry about what you control and let go of the other.
I rather play pickleball and luckily realized this several years ago.
We bought tickets last year for the first time in a decade. Figured since my son would be in school it would give us good opportunities to visit him. Ended up going to two games, and planned on canceling in disgust with the performance and the lack of a coaching change.
Got snowed into keeping them for nostalgia's sake when they brought back BMFP as offensive coordinator. Ended up going to one game this year, and in it saw the same lack of preparation and attention to detail that I saw last season.
Not renewing this year no matter what kind of con job Yurachek tries to pull on us. I can buy the best seats in the house for two of us for the biggest game of the year for less than I spend on season tickets, IF I decide to go through the hassle of traveling up there, parking, riding the shuttle, etc to watch a substandard performance. I'd rather watch the games on my patio anyway.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 09, 2024, 12:12 PMI have followed the Hogs for 60 years and held season tickets for 30 years but I hate what college football is becoming; however, I learned long ago that the only behavior I can change is my own.
If I am going to be forced to watch/follow what amounts to an unregulated, poorly managed, developmental pro football league on Fall Saturdays then I might as well save my Saturdays for more enjoyable activities and watch the real professionals on Sundays instead.
My wife hasn't given up yet, so the game is on with the sound down. I'll look up from surfing periodically to keep up with the score, but don't have to watch the stupid shit we do in every game to get to that point.
Then I come read the flame thread on woopig. :D
Ty Crawford. He gone.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 09, 2024, 12:26 PMMy wife hasn't given up yet, so the game is on with the sound down. I'll look up from surfing periodically to keep up with the score, but don't have to watch the stupid shit we do in every game to get to that point.
Then I come read the flame thread on woopig. :D
Have you read the game threads to her while she's trying to enjoy the games? I want to know if we're toxic enough to cause divorce, or how we need to improve in order to become that toxic.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 09, 2024, 12:59 PMTy Crawford. He gone.
If you can't see the field with the offensive lines we've had the last two years, I don't think we're going to miss you all that much. Enjoy that last year at North Texas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIQuTcM4tA
Andrew Ellis is on fire today. He just said that of the 86 HS players we signed in the four classes from 2020-2023, only 7 are still contributors.
https://x.com/treybiddy/status/1866199093237743818?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
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that guy turned into a nothing burger. every year was supposed to be the year
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 09, 2024, 01:11 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIQuTcM4tA
Andrew Ellis is on fire today. He just said that of the 86 HS players we signed in the four classes from 2020-2023, only 7 are still contributors.
I think he got that stat sent to him from someone on Twitter, but nevertheless, quite the indictment on how bad Pittman and the staff he's had have been at developing players.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 09, 2024, 01:03 PMIf you can't see the field with the offensive lines we've had the last two years, I don't think we're going to miss you all that much. Enjoy that last year at North Texas.
Ty is clearly following the money. Has nothing to do with anything else.
I bet T-Will bounces soon
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 09, 2024, 02:07 PMTy is clearly following the money. Has nothing to do with anything else.
a guy that could never get on the field, yep, has to be some mystery why he would transfer. like someone else said, enjoy running out your eligibility at north texas.
I'm just funning with you guys.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 09, 2024, 12:59 PMTy Crawford. He gone.
How in the hell can that guy possibly have time left
*Theory I'm developing in my head is they told him to suit up he's going to Memphis and he bailed.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 09, 2024, 02:07 PMTy is clearly following the money. Has nothing to do with anything else.
Our old friend Wallyhog has been machine gun shitposting on the Rivals board of late defending his brother in girth Pittman and bemoaning our poverty program.
One of his gems was that we "lost" Andrew Chamblee and Paris Patterson (who?) because SMU outbid us to have them as 2nd and 3rd teamers on their offensive line. That if only we'd come up with more money we could have kept the worst left tackle in the SEC and a guy who couldn't crack the two deep on the worst OL in power five football last year. I guess if all of us had just ponied up the $100/month to Edge we could've had them riding pine here.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 09, 2024, 02:15 PMI'm just funning with you guys.
and i bit. :thumb_up:
Hell, Memphis finished #25 in the top 25. Let that shit sink in.
Bottom line is people can now vote with their wallet and when we see or suspect how poorly spent that money is even less of it will return. At some point the people doing the hiring and firing will be forced to make a move. The flip side to that is nobody will come here to coach if it's clear Arkansas will not engage in this type of bidding war for players.
The ONLY reason Cal is here is because of Tyson chicken and other assurances made to him. The next coach will want a clear understanding of what he can expect in terms of a pool of money for NIL.
i don't subscribe to any pay boards but some guy on one who knows dj metcalf personally said he told him he got a substantially bigger offer and told the coaches he was going to the portal but they have a chance to match it so he comes back.
that seems to be where college football is at right now.
wright's bbq also said he stopped by friday and got his check but didn't say anything about the portal, lol.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 09, 2024, 02:48 PMi don't subscribe to any pay boards but some guy on one who knows dj metcalf personally said he told him he got a substantially bigger offer and told the coaches he was going to the portal but they have a chance to match it so he comes back.
that seems to be where college football is at right now.
wright's bbq also said he stopped by friday and got his check but didn't say anything about the portal, lol.
He's one I'd like to see us pay up to keep if this is true.
Is there a chance the academic side will try to get some control over this and stop approving admission for athletes with 2-3-4 transfers? How do their transcripts even qualify anyway?
Instead of listing players who are leaving or have left, they should be telling us all the ones that are staying, since we've probably never heard of 90% of them.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 09, 2024, 02:55 PMIs there a chance the academic side will try to get some control over this and stop approving admission for athletes with 2-3-4 transfers? How do their transcripts even qualify anyway?
there's rules in place that say they have to be academically eligible.
i'm sure sports communication and park management requirements aren't too stringent.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 09, 2024, 02:55 PMIs there a chance the academic side will try to get some control over this and stop approving admission for athletes with 2-3-4 transfers? How do their transcripts even qualify anyway?
rASciSt!!!
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 09, 2024, 02:55 PMIs there a chance the academic side will try to get some control over this and stop approving admission for athletes with 2-3-4 transfers? How do their transcripts even qualify anyway?
Great question and one I hadn't thought of before. I doubt the academic side gets to really have a say when it comes to the money making sports side though.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 09, 2024, 02:55 PMIs there a chance the academic side will try to get some control over this and stop approving admission for athletes with 2-3-4 transfers? How do their transcripts even qualify anyway?
Assuming you're not talking about the U of A specifically but all universities, but do you really think that schools who have allowed exceptions to their admissions policies (even the nerd schools like you Duke) for kids who were barely literate are going to all of a sudden gain a moral compass? Jerrell Powe couldn't read his own name yet Ole Miss found a way to get him eligible. They aren't telling some 5-star transfer with 90 hours of freshman level coursework that he can't come to The Sip.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 09, 2024, 02:57 PMrASciSt!!!
This is the right answer, since math and grades are also racist.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 09, 2024, 02:48 PMi don't subscribe to any pay boards but some guy on one who knows dj metcalf personally said he told him he got a substantially bigger offer and told the coaches he was going to the portal but they have a chance to match it so he comes back.
that seems to be where college football is at right now.
wright's bbq also said he stopped by friday and got his check but didn't say anything about the portal, lol.
How is that not tampering? That's rhetorical, the NCAA has no teeth anymore.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 09, 2024, 11:32 AMlisten to kiffin or stay in denial:
"You take a 17-year-old who, a lot of them, don't come from money and family doesn't come from money ... if any person tells you that their NIL is not the No. 1 thing ... take 100 of them and ask about the No. 1 thing that's going to make the decision ... it's not the size of the stadium, not the head coach, not the campus or the conference, the No. 1 thing will be money."
"It's totally changed recruiting. I joke all the time about it. Facilities and all that. Go ahead and build facilities and these great weight rooms and training rooms, but you ain't gonna have any good players in them if you don't have NIL money. I don't care who the coach is or how hard you recruit, that is not going to win over money."
#GodsPlan
I don't really care if we have 100% roster turnover year after year.
I just want to win.
I have no interest in having to watch the same squad of underachievers and screw-ups four years in a row, who can never do better than 7-5.
On the other hand, if we have a team full of people I've never heard of, but they take us to the mountaintop... I'll make the time to learn their names and remember them fondly.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 09, 2024, 03:36 PMHow is that not tampering? That's rhetorical, the NCAA has no teeth anymore.
They're not calling up the kids. They're talking to agents. It's no more tampering than kicking an agent's tires to gauge a coach's interest in a job during a season.
Without some sort of anti-trust exemption or collective bargaining this whole thing will implode soon enough.
We have a db named worthy? Dude at the Mercedes dealership in Bentonville said that kid was in there getting a new gla with his nil money. Some of these kids are getting a lot more than y'all think.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 09, 2024, 02:59 PM(even the nerd schools like you Duke)
I am proud of the academics at GT as it applies to me, but we were laughing at IMs (industrial management) back when I was in school and they had been there at least a generation before me.
Now GT has a few majors with "sports" in their names.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 09, 2024, 04:01 PMWe have a db named worthy? Dude at the Mercedes dealership in Bentonville said that kid was in there getting a new gla with his nil money. Some of these kids are getting a lot more than y'all think.
This guy?
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/larry-worth-iii/
Quote from: BASS on Dec 09, 2024, 04:01 PMWe have a db named worthy? Dude at the Mercedes dealership in Bentonville said that kid was in there getting a new gla with his nil money. Some of these kids are getting a lot more than y'all think.
You sure about that? I thought we were dirt poor and only give out free BBQ.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 09, 2024, 05:09 PMThis guy?
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/larry-worth-iii/
And he's D-II caliber. Imagine funding this shit. Blow it all up.
Selman Bridges gone.
Eric Singleton is leaving G. Tech, probably have to outbid Auburn/UGAG for him.
He'd be a one year player but a good pickup
https://x.com/james_jr56/status/1866193900832276835?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: BASS on Dec 09, 2024, 04:01 PMWe have a db named worthy? Dude at the Mercedes dealership in Bentonville said that kid was in there getting a new gla with his nil money. Some of these kids are getting a lot more than y'all think.
Larry Worth maybe
From the 31 Flavors Digest, allegedlies Steve Sullivan was floating a nugget at one of the high school championship games this weekend that Green may be leaving.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 09, 2024, 08:19 PMFrom the 31 Flavors Digest, allegedlies Steve Sullivan was floating a nugget at one of the high school championship games this weekend that Green may be leaving.
Can someone get this alleged information to Singletons people please. Thx
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 09, 2024, 08:19 PMFrom the 31 Flavors Digest, allegedlies Steve Sullivan was floating a nugget at one of the high school championship games this weekend that Green may be leaving.
Don't tease me.
Alright, I'm portaled out. This sucks.
Too many of our bright spots just walked out.
Either the cat's out of the bag that Jackson will be challenging for the starting job, or maybe God just hates us.
where's the guy going to go? and didn't someone say on here he got a bump in nil?
We're being fucked with aren't we...
https://x.com/OleDavis22/status/1866175532645171640
I knew I should have send in more bbq gift cards. Dang it.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 09, 2024, 09:12 PMwhere's the guy going to go? and didn't someone say on here he got a bump in nil?
Yes, that was stated by someone here, and it wasn't HTL, so there is a chance it is true.
I'm on the fence about Green. On one hand I'm utterly convinced the guy has a ten cent head. On the other hand I did see some progress that makes me think the wheels are turning and another off-season of Petrino development may do him a lot of good.
BUT if he goes and I'm not going to cry in my beer. Frankly I'd rather pay well for offensive and defensive lineman and take my chances with some scrub QBs rather than over pay for a kid that will get killed behind a discount offensive line.
Also if you want to track where our former players are going...here's a good site
https://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/transfer-portal/wire/football/
Wilson to UCLA
Back in the olden days people would look at the roster and see whose hair looked most like the Predator.
We could start a new game. Tyrus Washington's hair looks most like...Biden's Press Secretary.
https://x.com/hogballburner/status/1866477523371974920?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
https://x.com/choatemason/status/1866492055205314737
https://x.com/michaelwbratton/status/1866485002839757050?
I saw another list with Arkansas on top at 21 and MSU at 19. Doesn't matter.
Given last year's defections, this is at least 2 years in a row. It is obvious Sam can't keep the players he does get. Reluctantly, I agree he needs to go.
I say reluctantly, because I am not at all sure who we might get right now.
Edit-- I see buff has posted the other list I was referring to above.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 10, 2024, 08:50 AMhttps://x.com/choatemason/status/1866492055205314737
Why go to the trouble of a visit? I'm sure they've already signed deals.
Feeder program for Ole Miss in deed!
This shit needs to stop.
Why the frick is Sam pulling a Joe Biden on Razorback Nation?
Explain, reassure,--hell, lie to us--but get your ass out before the cameras and tell your rapidly dwindling fan base what is happening and what you plan to do about it.
https://x.com/johnnaborsshow/status/1866491696479134040
Sad but funny...or just funny.
Most of the guys in the portal (at least the ones who actually played) were players you guys were bitching about all year. Not sure I see the problem. Somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it's mostly true.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Dec 10, 2024, 09:49 AMMost of the guys in the portal (at least the ones who actually played) were players you guys were bitching about all year. Not sure I see the problem. Somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it's mostly true.
It is true that most of them didn't contribute much of anything. But Hasz, Kutas, Braxton, Davillier, Metcalf and perhaps one or two others really hurt.
I guess it is fair to say some of the others may be leaving after talking with the coaches about their future.
Probably should add Braun to the list above.
https://x.com/MichaelWBratton/status/1866485002839757050?t=s44a2iDDre4-Dr41QUMBXA&s=19 (https://x.com/MichaelWBratton/status/1866485002839757050?t=s44a2iDDre4-Dr41QUMBXA&s=19)
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Dec 10, 2024, 09:49 AMMost of the guys in the portal (at least the ones who actually played) were players you guys were bitching about all year. Not sure I see the problem. Somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it's mostly true.
With the 2024 shitty teams (Arkansas MSU, Kentucky) being at the top of the list, yeah maybe I can take comfort that the numbers are driven by the coaches saying "sayonara" and trying to get a better team in here for next year.
MSU and Kentucky don't have to worry about bowls though. I have a feeling the Liberty Bowl will be a bigger shitshow than you already might expect.
I can't wait to see our Liberty Bowl depth chart.
https://x.com/treybiddy/status/1866520877254516821?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 10, 2024, 10:33 AMhttps://x.com/treybiddy/status/1866520877254516821?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
exactly as I predicted
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 10, 2024, 10:33 AMhttps://x.com/treybiddy/status/1866520877254516821?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Great job Sam and Hunter.
Braylen Russell gone
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 10, 2024, 10:36 AMexactly as I predicted
Really out on a limb there considering he got paid in high school.
No shock. One good game, started pumping himself for deals, and then sent to the bench.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 10, 2024, 10:07 AMWith the 2024 shitty teams (Arkansas MSU, Kentucky) being at the top of the list, yeah maybe I can take comfort that the numbers are driven by the coaches saying "sayonara" and trying to get a better team in here for next year.
MSU and Kentucky don't have to worry about bowls though. I have a feeling the Liberty Bowl will be a bigger shitshow than you already might expect.
No. It is all about the lack of NIL $$$s when it comes to Arkansas.
How many tickets will they sell to see our third string play in Memphis?
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Dec 10, 2024, 10:41 AMHow many tickets will they sell to see our third string play in Memphis?
I might cancel my tv programing in protest. It is going to be bad.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 10, 2024, 10:33 AMhttps://x.com/treybiddy/status/1866520877254516821?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Russell is the least surprising portal loss if we're being honest.
The writing was on the wall once they started inexplicably sitting him and he was tweeting that he was healthy.
We have the dumbest coaches.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 10, 2024, 10:44 AMRussell is the least surprising portal loss if we're being honest.
The writing was on the wall once they started inexplicably sitting him and he was tweeting that he was healthy.
We have the dumbest coaches.
If Sam can't keep a kid like that, born and raised in Arkansas, who can he keep?
Jamie Pittman has entered the transfer portal.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 10, 2024, 10:07 AMWith the 2024 shitty teams (Arkansas MSU, Kentucky) being at the top of the list, yeah maybe I can take comfort that the numbers are driven by the coaches saying "sayonara" and trying to get a better team in here for next year.
MSU and Kentucky don't have to worry about bowls though. I have a feeling the Liberty Bowl will be a bigger shitshow than you already might expect.
I took TT on the moneyline
We need an entirely new culture on the hill.
Sam is an albatross.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 10, 2024, 10:59 AMJamie Pittman has entered the transfer portal.
Your best post to date.
Quote from: BEvERage on Dec 10, 2024, 11:28 AMI took TT on the moneyline
I still don't understand how Arkansas is favored.
Supposedly Russell is saying he has NOT entered the portal.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 10, 2024, 10:39 AMReally out on a limb there considering he got paid in high school.
Is that why he transferred from Lakeside to Benton?
Quote from: Feral on Dec 10, 2024, 10:44 AMRussell is the least surprising portal loss if we're being honest.
The writing was on the wall once they started inexplicably sitting him and he was tweeting that he was healthy.
We have the dumbest coaches.
This one pisses me off. You know this one isn't about the money. I can't imagine we're not willing to outbid another team for someone with his potential.
Got no sources on this and don't know a damned thing but I just sort of have a feeling that things are falling apart and spinning out of control to a point that HY and his bosses did not anticipate. I wouldn't be surprised to see old Sam hit the retirement portal here before long, and maybe with his money.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 11:56 AMGot no sources on this and don't know a damned thing but I just sort of have a feeling that things are falling apart and spinning out of control to a point that HY and his bosses did not anticipate. I wouldn't be surprised to see old Sam hit the retirement portal here before long, and maybe with his money.
They should all portal to anywhere else as well.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 11:56 AMGot no sources on this and don't know a damned thing but I just sort of have a feeling that things are falling apart and spinning out of control to a point that HY and his bosses did not anticipate. I wouldn't be surprised to see old Sam hit the retirement portal here before long, and maybe with his money.
Make a deal where Sam "retires/quits/is let go" and immediately donates the buyout money to our NIL.
Instantly retires to the lake with his reputation restored.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 11:56 AMGot no sources on this and don't know a damned thing but I just sort of have a feeling that things are falling apart and spinning out of control to a point that HY and his bosses did not anticipate. I wouldn't be surprised to see old Sam hit the retirement portal here before long, and maybe with his money.
If Yurachek and the admin
didn't see this coming, they're even dumber and worse at their jobs than I thought they were.
Everyone saw this coming. Everyone knew this was going to happen. Everyone could see Sam needed to go and that this was the year for a coaching change. Everyone can see next season will be a disaster that will probably crater our football program (again!).
But as usual, we're stupid, have zero vision, and always a year or 2 too late to act.
I said this when it started leaking that Pittman would be retained for 2025, but why is it that we always have to burn our program to the fucking ground with everu single coaching change?
Can we seriously not ever have a coaching change that spares the dramatics and DOESN'T include cratering the athletic department.
We couldn't just fire Nutt, we had to have the 2 year pass and endure the shitshow that ensued (including Broyles being brought down).
We couldn't just handle the Petrino stuff internally, we had to make a big public show of it.
We couldn't just promote an assistant to ride out 2012, we had to bring in of the most embarrassing 1 year coaches in the history of college football.
Long couldn't bring himself to fire Bert so he got himself coup'd by the boosters.
Those boosters couldn't just have a traditional coaching search. No, they had to go all in on Malzahn (with zero backup plan) and get pantsed.
We couldn't fire Chad after it was obvious he was a horrendous hire. No, we had to run it back in 2019.
We couldn't pay Lane or Drink in 2019. No, we had to cheap it out.
We couldn't fire Pittman after 2023 or 2024. No, we had to kick the can down the road and ensure what we all know will be a horrid 2025.
Fuck this program and administration, and the culture they've created.
Quote from: RPL on Dec 10, 2024, 11:45 AMIs that why he transferred from Lakeside to Benton?
I heard both he and Burgess the basketball player were paid.
These players must just be too stupid to understand that their head coach beat texas that one time.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2024, 12:31 PMThese players must just be too stupid to understand that their head coach beat texas that one time.
Feels like an eternity ago.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 10, 2024, 12:24 PMI said this when it started leaking that Pittman would be retained for 2025, but why is it that we always have to burn our program to the fucking ground with everu single coaching change?
Can we seriously not ever have a coaching change that spares the dramatics and DOESN'T include cratering the athletic department.
We couldn't just fire Nutt, we had to have the 2 year pass and endure the shitshow that ensued (including Broyles being brought down).
We couldn't just handle the Petrino stuff internally, we had to make a big public show of it.
We couldn't just promote an assistant to ride out 2012, we had to bring in of the most embarrassing 1 year coaches in the history of college football.
Long couldn't bring himself to fire Bert so he got himself coup'd by the boosters.
Those boosters couldn't just have a traditional coaching search. No, they had to go all in on Malzahn (with zero backup plan) and get pantsed.
We couldn't fire Chad after it was obvious he was a horrendous hire. No, we had to run it back in 2019.
We couldn't pay Lane or Drink in 2019. No, we had to cheap it out.
We couldn't fire Pittman after 2023 or 2024. No, we had to kick the can down the road and ensure what we all know will be a horrid 2025.
Fuck this program and administration, and the culture they've created.
.....Hallelujah! Holy sh*t! Where's the Tylenol?
chevy.gif
Lane trolling again, as usual.
https://x.com/WxZachary/status/1866525042588471564
Quote from: Feral on Dec 10, 2024, 12:24 PMI said this when it started leaking that Pittman would be retained for 2025, but why is it that we always have to burn our program to the fucking ground with everu single coaching change?
Can we seriously not ever have a coaching change that spares the dramatics and DOESN'T include cratering the athletic department.
We couldn't just fire Nutt, we had to have the 2 year pass and endure the shitshow that ensued (including Broyles being brought down).
We couldn't just handle the Petrino stuff internally, we had to make a big public show of it.
We couldn't just promote an assistant to ride out 2012, we had to bring in of the most embarrassing 1 year coaches in the history of college football.
Long couldn't bring himself to fire Bert so he got himself coup'd by the boosters.
Those boosters couldn't just have a traditional coaching search. No, they had to go all in on Malzahn (with zero backup plan) and get pantsed.
We couldn't fire Chad after it was obvious he was a horrendous hire. No, we had to run it back in 2019.
We couldn't pay Lane or Drink in 2019. No, we had to cheap it out.
We couldn't fire Pittman after 2023 or 2024. No, we had to kick the can down the road and ensure what we all know will be a horrid 2025.
Fuck this program and administration, and the culture they've created.
So I take it you're not going to the bowl game?
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 10, 2024, 12:36 PMSo I take it you're not going to the bowl game?
I'm almost to the point where I might just start actively rooting against our football program for good while maintaining support for our basketball and baseball teams. The players are pros now, so why not treat college fandom like it as well?
Like a Mavs and Rangers fan who roots for the Packers or somebody because he hates Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, or a Braves and Hawks fan who hates the Falcons.
Our administration and boosters obviously don't give a shit about our football program having any modicum of success, so why should I?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2024, 12:03 PMThey should all portal to anywhere else as well.
HY has been trying but failing and no one wants our Blue Light Special coach. The absolute silence from the hill speaks volumes. Feels like we're just being held hostage for the buyout at this point.
Something's got to give right?
2nd year in a row with the most transfers in the SEC. Many either starters or promising
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 10, 2024, 12:28 PMI heard both he and Burgess the basketball player were paid.
He tried to go to LRCA first but was declared ineligible by the AAA.
I'd say that us eventually having 30 or more players in the portal would not be out of the question considering this is day two. They are going to have to bust their asses to even field a team next year. Fucking ridiculous.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 01:02 PMI'd say that us eventually having 30 or more players in the portal would not be out of the question considering this is day two. They are going to have to bust their asses to even field a team next year. Fucking ridiculous.
Wonder if we reach a tipping with Pittman where HY and the admin's hands are forced.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 10, 2024, 01:04 PMWonder if we reach a tipping with Pittman where HY and the admin's hands are forced.
Yeah, one would think, right? But who knows? We seem to be completely leaderless and rudderless. Other teams are getting general managers and moving along, and we've got Soft Ass Sam and HY not doing a damned thing while Lane Kiffin is literally trolling us on X about being an Ole Miss feeder team.
This mess is entirely on HY and he needs to be gone immediately.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 01:12 PMThis mess is entirely on HY and he needs to be gone immediately.
Silence, peasant!
Lord Yurachek is too busy determining the fates of the Football Elite to be bothered with the petty concerns of the riffraff back home.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 10, 2024, 01:19 PMSilence, peasant!
Lord Yurachek is too busy determining the fates of the Football Elite to be bothered with the petty concerns of the riffraff back home.
I can live in a world where Arkansas can't compete consistently with Georgia and Alabama. I'm not going to have some carpet bagging Johnny Come Lately AD gaslight me into believing Arkansas can't compete with Ole Miss.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 01:21 PMI can live in a world where Arkansas can't compete consistently with Georgia and Alabama. I'm not going to have some carpet bagging Johnny Come Lately AD gaslight me into believing Arkansas can't compete with Ole Miss.
Or Missouri. I'd like to think we could put that in the contract. "Any coach with a losing record after two games with Missouri can be fired for cause."
Unfortunately that's not real life because Missouri owns us in football.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 10, 2024, 12:45 PMI'm almost to the point where I might just start actively rooting against our football program for good while maintaining support for our basketball and baseball teams. The players are pros now, so why not treat college fandom like it as well?
Like a Mavs and Rangers fan who roots for the Packers or somebody because he hates Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, or a Braves and Hawks fan who hates the Falcons.
Our administration and boosters obviously don't give a shit about our football program having any modicum of success, so why should I?
You're pretty much where I am. I'm rooting for the Lions this season. I like Campbell and how they're built the team.
I can't root for Sam. The players want out. Would not be surprised if bP and twill depart after the season. This program is dead to me right now. I don't like what college football has turned into, a downstream pro league with no rules and total focus on money without a cap or limits. It's a putrid situation.
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 10, 2024, 12:56 PMSomething's got to give right?
2nd year in a row with the most transfers in the SEC. Many either starters or promising
Arkansas has the highest number of scholarship players portaling out of any P4 school. Abysmal. Sam could give a shit as he will stick around for his checks.
It's hard watching the program completely crater because they thought they could paper over these problems for another year and get by. We're going to be worse off than we were after Chad at the end of next year.
https://x.com/jaymeadors/status/1866567116016718331?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/jaymeadors/status/1866567116016718331?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
We've got to have the worst collection of shitbird former players out there. And some of yall worship these retards.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 01:43 PMIt's hard watching the program completely crater because they thought they could paper over these problems for another year and get by. We're going to be worse off than we were after Chad at the end of next year.
I've been saying this for almost a year now. The end of last year was the time, and he could've easily retired at the end of this year and been an ambassador for the University and the program. But nope, in typical Arkansas fashion we're headed for another ugly divorce with a football coach.
And as a result, we'll also lose the best offensive mind to ever walk our sidelines.
Yeah, no way Gus retains Bobby.
Quote from: hit_that_lineAnd some of yall worship these retards.
Just when you were putting together a solid day of not being a dooshbag..
Quote from: TC on Dec 10, 2024, 02:52 PMI've been saying this for almost a year now. The end of last year was the time, and he could've easily retired at the end of this year and been an ambassador for the University and the program. But nope, in typical Arkansas fashion we're headed for another ugly divorce with a football coach.
And as a result, we'll also lose the best offensive mind to ever walk our sidelines.
Agreed. At least Chad left some talent behind.
Quote from: TC on Dec 10, 2024, 02:55 PMJust when you were putting together a solid day of not being a dooshbag..
Shut the fuck up.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 10, 2024, 02:48 PMhttps://x.com/jaymeadors/status/1866567116016718331?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/jaymeadors/status/1866567116016718331?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
We've got to have the worst collection of shitbird former players out there. And some of yall worship these retards.
I don't care at all, but J.J. done stepped on his dick. When you are in customer service business like that, STFU on Twitter. He pissed off a lot of people with that hot take.
This was pretty good:
https://x.com/TexHogs/status/1866531029005082624
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 02:58 PMI don't care at all, but J.J. done stepped on his dick. When you are in customer service business like that, STFU on Twitter. He pissed off a lot of people with that hot take.
Some might say he is short-sighted.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 10, 2024, 03:00 PMSome might say he is short-sighted.
Hard not to step on your dick when you're 4'10.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 10, 2024, 02:59 PMThis was pretty good:
https://x.com/TexHogs/status/1866531029005082624
:maundoed:
Damn! That's funny
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 03:02 PMHard not to step on your dick when you're 4'10.
I agree with the guy that said incomplete in 1995.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 10, 2024, 02:58 PMShut the fuck up.
There's that try-hard spirit we've all come to know.
At this point just about the only one from that last recruiting class who hasn't portaled is Dion Stutts.
So where are the guys today who spent the last two weeks telling us it was all an NIL thing and Pittman needed to come back for some stability with these coordinators next year? Haven't seen them around.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 10, 2024, 03:05 PMAt this point just about the only one from that last recruiting class who hasn't portaled is Dion Stutts.
:this_is_woopig:
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 03:08 PMSo where are the guys today who spent the last two weeks telling us it was all an NIL thing and Pittman needed to come back for some stability with these coordinators next year? Haven't seen them around.
Told you I'm done. At least our decent players will get a pay raise at OM.
Your boy Lebby is giving Sam a run for his money.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 10, 2024, 04:03 PMTold you I'm done. At least our decent players will get a pay raise at OM.
Your boy Lebby is giving Sam a run for his money.
Done? It's just now getting good. Stick around and share your wisdom.
https://nil-ncaa.com/power5/ (https://nil-ncaa.com/power5/)
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 10, 2024, 04:09 PMhttps://nil-ncaa.com/power5/ (https://nil-ncaa.com/power5/)
So surprise Arkansas fans aren't contributing like nearly everyone else in the league. We are dead last in number of estimated contributors. Meaning Hy and his Edge collective went for way too much and it scared people away. Let people donate 15 bucks per month instead of going for a min of a 100.
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2024, 04:38 PMSo surprise Arkansas fans aren't contributing like nearly everyone else in the league. We are dead last in number of estimated contributors. Meaning Hy and his Edge collective went for way too much and it scared people away. Let people donate 15 bucks per month instead of going for a min of a 100.
Looks like about what I would expect from a school where enthusiasm is at rock bottom because the coach should have been fired a year or two ago.
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2024, 04:38 PMSo surprise Arkansas fans aren't contributing like nearly everyone else in the league. We are dead last in number of estimated contributors. Meaning Hy and his Edge collective went for way too much and it scared people away. Let people donate 15 bucks per month instead of going for a min of a 100.
you can donate $10 a month.
choose not to donate because of where the program is, but the not affordable angle doesn't hold water.
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2024, 04:38 PMSo surprise Arkansas fans aren't contributing like nearly everyone else in the league. We are dead last in number of estimated contributors. Meaning Hy and his Edge collective went for way too much and it scared people away. Let people donate 15 bucks per month instead of going for a min of a 100.
17th in the country and equivalent to teams in the playoff. Arkansas football - doing less with more since Hugo Bezdek.
and now some guy on Facebook is reporting that Russell has withdrawn his name from the portal... just posted it 10 minutes ago
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 10, 2024, 04:53 PMand now some guy on Facebook is reporting that Russell has withdrawn his name from the portal... just posted it 10 minutes ago
He's already back in.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 10, 2024, 04:45 PMyou can donate $10 a month.
choose not to donate because of where the program is, but the not affordable angle doesn't hold water.
Ok I don't know all I've ever heard was this $100 month deal. That's what got publicized and to some extent criticized over the summer.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 04:42 PMLooks like about what I would expect from a school where enthusiasm is at rock bottom because the coach should have been fired a year or two ago.
Yes. I mean I think Arkansas folks are traditionally fairly cheap when it comes to this sort of thing. Or at least I feel like that's been the case for most of my adult life. We've went from a state where I had family that wasn't well off by any means that would get season tickets for football every year and that went on into the early 90s and then stoppped sometimes after they joined the SEC. I remember people made a point to get season tickets. Now they are undoubtedly so expensive that the average man and his family cannot afford to go. So the check out should be expected I suppose.
I don't think fans want to be yokel'd to death by the likes of Pittman. I think that was his appeal because the suits dreamed up that we need "one of us". It played well in the media and yes some morons ate it up like they did Nutt. If we are being honest Pittman can't carry Nutts jock.
So yes we need a new face to plug in and convince folks that we are actually know what we're doing.
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2024, 04:38 PMSo surprise Arkansas fans aren't contributing like nearly everyone else in the league. We are dead last in number of estimated contributors. Meaning Hy and his Edge collective went for way too much and it scared people away. Let people donate 15 bucks per month instead of going for a min of a 100.
I guess I'm reading it wrong but that shows that we're at $11.5MM in collective funding. Just slightly behind Auburn and TN and way ahead of Missouri and both MS schools.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 04:05 PMDone? It's just now getting good. Stick around and share your wisdom.
I've learned it's a waste of time to explain things to a retard.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 10, 2024, 05:00 PMI've learned it's a waste of time to explain things to a retard.
Oh no, please, go on.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 10, 2024, 05:00 PMI guess I'm reading it wrong but that shows that we're at $11.5MM in collective funding. Just slightly behind Auburn and TN and way ahead of Missouri and both MS schools.
You are looking at the total and not the number of contributions. It likely means we're entirely too dependent on corporate donations. Something that has been discussed a lot on here. I find that to be a red flag. Screams fan engagement and overall "buy in" to the whole NIL thing is very slow adoption rate in Arkansas who otherwise might be a sleeping giant.
If we are to have sustained NIL success we need to get about 45,000 yearly/monthly contributions.
Or at least that's my take.
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2024, 04:55 PMOk I don't know all I've ever heard was this $100 month deal. That's what got publicized and to some extent criticized
they haven't done a good job of letting people know about the cheaper options. like you said, the $100 gets thrown around a lot.
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2024, 05:07 PMYou are looking at the total and not the number of contributions. It likely means we're entirely too dependent on corporate donations. Something that has been discussed a lot on here. I find that to be a red flag. Screams fan engagement and overall "buy in" to the whole NIL thing is very slow adoption rate in Arkansas who otherwise might be a sleeping giant.
If we are to have sustained NIL success we need to get about 45,000 yearly/monthly contributions.
Or at least that's my take.
Okay that makes more sense. If those totals are anywhere close to accurate then this whole notion that we are too broke to compete is absolute nonsense. No, we'll never have UT or A&M money but we should be competitive with our "peers" in the conference.
Tusk VI has entered the portal. That inflatable mascot has requested his air be terminated.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 10, 2024, 05:12 PMOkay that makes more sense. If those totals are anywhere close to accurate then this whole notion that we are too broke to compete is absolute nonsense. No, we'll never have UT or A&M money but we should be competitive with our "peers" in the conference.
You don't know. Sam might have given $11 mil to the kicker.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 10, 2024, 04:53 PMand now some guy on Facebook is reporting that Russell has withdrawn his name from the portal... just posted it 10 minutes ago
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 04:54 PMHe's already back in.
The portal hokey pokey.
those bags come at you so fast.
Maybe I'm just too stupid to wrap my head around this but why wouldn't they just make the portal not open until the first business day of the new year and run for a period of not more than 14 business days? When do kids generally need to enroll at their new school?
It may not slow any kids down but it might slow some of the open tampering going on until after the bowl games.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 10, 2024, 04:45 PMyou can donate $10 a month.
choose not to donate because of where the program is, but the not affordable angle doesn't hold water.
They didn't implement this change until a year or so in. Should have had it from day one, but it is a step in the right direction.
15th in HS recruiting. 10th in NIL.
https://x.com/RileyMcFerran/status/1866628857564106980?t=m3MKaglh8-gIXqmZdFOSag&s=19 (https://x.com/RileyMcFerran/status/1866628857564106980?t=m3MKaglh8-gIXqmZdFOSag&s=19)
So we have money?
It's just that we don't want to spend it on the collection of meh players that led to a 6-6 season?
Or maybe they're leaving for other reasons?
Or maybe we're a rudderless ship and there's no real good reason for anything that is happening?
I honestly and truly don't know any of these answers, so I'm going to go have dinner and then watch the basketball game.
Hmmm...something's up or someone is feeling the heat.
https://x.com/hogsportszone/status/1866633269212746115
Before the Arkansas Edge collective was formed I believe the previous company line excuse was people in control of the money weren't turning loose of it. Am I to understand that may still be the case?
Also we don't need to conflate that the 2025 money has anything to do with the now money or something. There's revenue sharing money that will be able to be used starting in 2025 or 26? Something like that. Expect Arkansas to be conservative with that or spend it on women's pickle ball.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 06:06 PMHmmm...something's up or someone is feeling the heat.
https://x.com/hogsportszone/status/1866633269212746115
He showed up a few minutes after that tweet. It was corrected.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 10, 2024, 07:08 PMHe showed up a few minutes after that tweet. It was corrected.
Okay
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 10, 2024, 06:06 PMOr maybe we're a rudderless ship and there's no real good reason for anything that is happening?
I think you know the answer. It's becoming crystallized.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 10, 2024, 06:06 PMHmmm...something's up or someone is feeling the heat.
https://x.com/hogsportszone/status/1866633269212746115
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 10, 2024, 07:08 PMHe showed up a few minutes after that tweet. It was corrected.
What? Twitter was wrong? I thought it was so reliable?
If you just look at what was posted, it clearly says "There is a new version of this tweet." TWB just didn't look at it, because the new version corrected it.
I would love to see video of that get together. What's Yuri got to say for himself? For Sam? For all the players leaving? Yuri had to be standing with his dick in his hand. Fucking fears.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 11, 2024, 08:06 AMIf you just look at what was posted, it clearly says "There is a new version of this tweet." TWB just didn't look at it, because the new version corrected it.
Or, how about, I just didn't look at it because I was doing other things. Quit being such a salty bitch. It's not a good look in one so old.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 11, 2024, 08:21 AMI would love to see video of that get together. What's Yuri got to say for himself? For Sam? For all the players leaving? Yuri had to be standing with his dick in his hand. Fucking fears.
I haven't seen it, but apparently our situation is so bad that Josh Pate was talking about it on his national show.
Would really be interesting to be a fly on the wall for these exit interviews.
The Maumelle starting dl portaling long to Mississippi state? wtf?
Did dubwig just not punt well or what? Dude was impressive at Cabot last year.
Is a lot of it poor talent evaluation ? Sure, nil is some, but there has to be more.
What is the story here? Wright's backtracked fast and took down their tweet busting on them.
https://x.com/wrightsbarbecue/status/1866173953019969814?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Trey Biddy had a podcast yesterday where he discussed the long list of Razorback defectors; when he had finished he concluded by introducing "recruiting analyst" Danny West, saying something to the effect of I've given all the bad news, now here's Danny with the good news.
West looked at him for a couple seconds and basically said I got nothing.
This is embarrassing. Looks like... whatever.
The recruit he was celebrating hit the portal.
https://x.com/NBAYOUNGVOL/status/1866507478034419998
KJ Jefferson back in the portal for his 7th year!
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Dec 11, 2024, 09:45 AMKJ Jefferson back in the portal for his 7th year!
Pretty sure that's still just a joke going around from last week. But you can never been too sure.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 11, 2024, 08:22 AMOr, how about, I just didn't look at it because I was doing other things. Quit being such a salty bitch. It's not a good look in one so old.
A little touchy, aren't you? I made no editorial comment about why you didn't look at it. But I thought about saying "because it didn't fit his narrative." As usual, I acted with restraint.
Quote from: animal on Dec 11, 2024, 09:47 AMPretty sure that's still just a joke going around from last week. But you can never been too sure.
Maybe it is, this is the first I've heard of it. But I wouldn't be shocked if it was true.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 11, 2024, 09:50 AMA little touchy, aren't you? I made no editorial comment about why you didn't look at it. But I thought about saying "because it didn't fit his narrative." As usual, I acted with restraint.
Actually that is what you said.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 11, 2024, 08:23 AMI haven't seen it, but apparently our situation is so bad that Josh Pate was talking about it on his national show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_nvrary0lA
The AR part starts around the 6:45 mark. We either needed to lose enough to fire Pittman or win enough to have real momentum for next year and we landed in purgatory. Now no one wants to stick around and we're in deep shit going forward.
Just so we're clear, Hunter was there. No discussion of Pittman was had. I was there for fun before the basketball gamePXL_20241211_000806256.jpg
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 11, 2024, 12:54 PMJust so we're clear, Hunter was there. No discussion of Pittman was had. I was there for fun before the basketball gamePXL_20241211_000806256.jpg
Calipari there too! Man he has a Big Head compared to you two.
I'm going to assume the only way you get into the portal is if you submit paperwork and notify the coaches. The media goomers don't control when or how players are listed in the portal. So I'm trying to retrace my understanding of this Russell situation. Just makes me wonder what the hell happened.
I was wondering if the staff was trying to find the "leak" as it seems someone is a good deal ahead in reporting this shit. But then again our staff hasn't really shown any indication that they care that much to find any potential leaks.
Adam Ford has already speculated that Twill is gone after the bowl game and that's why the defensive guys are bouncing. Make sense I guess but if he had a job lined up usually that doesn't slow anyone down especially for a shitty bowl game. Probably bonus money on the line.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 11, 2024, 12:54 PMJust so we're clear, Hunter was there. No discussion of Pittman was had. I was there for fun before the basketball gamePXL_20241211_000806256.jpg
It appears so...you two 'know' each other?
Brad Spence to the portal.
Yeah I still bet T-Will's gone after the bowl.
That whole keeping the team together campaign ain't looking too hot right now.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 11, 2024, 03:19 PMBrad Spence to the portal.
Doubt we can match whoever got in his ear but we need to try
Quote from: FNG on Dec 11, 2024, 03:29 PMDoubt we can match whoever got in his ear but we need to try
We're 17th in NIL in the NCAA and 8th in the SEC. We have money. Some have more, but we shouldn't be losing every good player for lack of money.
Maybe we need someone to better allocate our money and/or lobby boosters for more with regard to specific players.
Quote from: animal on Dec 11, 2024, 01:52 PMI'm going to assume the only way you get into the portal is if you submit paperwork and notify the coaches. The media goomers don't control when or how players are listed in the portal. So I'm trying to retrace my understanding of this Russell situation. Just makes me wonder what the hell happened.
I was wondering if the staff was trying to find the "leak" as it seems someone is a good deal ahead in reporting this shit. But then again our staff hasn't really shown any indication that they care that much to find any potential leaks.
Adam Ford has already speculated that Twill is gone after the bowl game and that's why the defensive guys are bouncing. Make sense I guess but if he had a job lined up usually that doesn't slow anyone down especially for a shitty bowl game. Probably bonus money on the line.
Some media people have access to view the portal. Russell was indeed in...and then he was out.
Addison Nichols. He gone.
I asked this earlier in the thread but I'll pose again. At what point does HY have his hand forced with Pittman?
The sheer amount of portal attrition we're seeing indicates something is very wrong (beyond the obvious of Pittman being a shitty and uninspiring coach).
If HY and Pittman were selling continuity and that's out the window now, why are we still entertaining bringing Sam back in 2025?
1:30 presser tomorrow to talk about the blue light specials we'll be bringing in and what col beers you can buy in preparation for our Liberty Bowl berth!
The decision to keep Pittman is going to go down as the third worst in the history of the football program, behind firing BMFP and hiring Morris. What is worse is that like those other two catastrophic errors, it's obvious in real time just how badly we are screwing this up.
It is going to cost us far more than it would have to just pay his buyout and move on. We will only end up saving one year that. The combination of destroyed brand value and having to overpay both in NIL next year to have a roster and to convince a coach to join this turd circus is going to surpass any money we saved by postponing the inevitable by one year.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 11, 2024, 04:51 PMAddison Nichols. He gone.
Gonna be a little weird playing a game with both centers gone into the portal.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 11, 2024, 05:33 PMThe decision to keep Pittman is going to go down as the third worst in the history of the football program, behind firing BMFP and hiring Morris. What is worse is that like those other two catastrophic errors, it's obvious in real time just how badly we are screwing this up.
It is going to cost us far more than it would have to just pay his buyout and move on. We will only end up saving one year that. The combination of destroyed brand value and having to overpay both in NIL next year to have a roster and to convince a coach to join this turd circus is going to surpass any money we saved by postponing the inevitable by one year.
I'd argue this would be worse than both. This is forever death. Take my name off the fucking sidewalk at this point. Just worked a 12 hour day putting a bow on a year where I pissed excellence and I see we've lost multiple starters again. I'm gonna tear those fucking pig statues down this weekend.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 05:39 PMI'd argue this would be worse than both. This is forever death. Take my name off the fucking sidewalk at this point. Just worked a 12 hour day putting a bow on a year where I pissed excellence and I see we've lost multiple starters again. I'm gonna tear those fucking pig statues down this weekend.
Steal them. Sam will just assume they entered the transfer portal.
The BMFP firing is the worst, because without it the others probably never happen. I'm sure he would've flamed out at some point, but not to the degree where hiring Morris or Pittman were ever an option.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 05:39 PMI'd argue this would be worse than both. This is forever death. Take my name off the fucking sidewalk at this point. Just worked a 12 hour day putting a bow on a year where I pissed excellence and I see we've lost multiple starters again. I'm gonna tear those fucking pig statues down this weekend.
If you're still putting in 12 hour days, you're doing it wrong.
As of now, we have six scholarship offensive linemen for the bowl game. When do we cancel?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 11, 2024, 05:52 PMIf you're still putting in 12 hour days, you're doing it wrong.
When you're performing at this level, it never feels like work. You're a weak man who doesn't understand mastery. Perfecting your craft. I'm like a finance version of a Mount Hiei monk.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 05:56 PMWhen you're performing at this level, it never feels like work. You're a weak man who doesn't understand mastery.
You're a legend in your own mind.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 11, 2024, 05:59 PMYou're a legend in your own mind.
Scoreboard don't lie. When you're needed we'll issue a silver alert.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 06:03 PMScoreboard don't lie. When you're needed we'll issue a silver alert.
If I could buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth, I would be even richer than I am now.
lol.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 11, 2024, 06:08 PMIf I could buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth, I would be even richer than I am now.
You will never get this.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 05:39 PMI'd argue this would be worse than both. This is forever death. Take my name off the fucking sidewalk at this point. Just worked a 12 hour day putting a bow on a year where I pissed excellence and I see we've lost multiple starters again. I'm gonna tear those fucking pig statues down this weekend.
You've shown no signs of being a hog fan, so I'm not sure why this upsets you.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 06:13 PMYou will never get this.
Then do explain. But only after you head over to the basketball game thread and share some more pearls of wisdom. lol.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 11, 2024, 05:56 PMWhen you're performing at this level, it never feels like work. You're a weak man who doesn't understand mastery. Perfecting your craft. I'm like a finance version of a Mount Hiei monk.
I guess it's true. Those sewers don't clean themselves.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 11, 2024, 08:04 PMI guess it's true. Those sewers don't clean themselves.
Don't worry. He's right...I will never get aids.
Quote from: animal on Dec 11, 2024, 05:36 PMGonna be a little weird playing a game with both centers gone into the portal.
Our long snapper is gonna need a crash course in short snapping.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 11, 2024, 05:53 PMAs of now, we have six scholarship offensive linemen for the bowl game. When do we cancel?
no worries, Pittman is an offensive line GURU!!!
of course, being Arkansas - that means 2 of them will get hurt on the first play of the game.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 11, 2024, 06:28 PMYou've shown no signs of being a hog fan, so I'm not sure why this upsets you.
I'm no Bowlcut.
Taylon Green is comin' back!
We need some old school great post biggus memes pronto to post on his replies
Selman Bridges backs out of the portal.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 12, 2024, 04:43 PMSelman Bridges backs out of the portal.
Awesome!
Who's he?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 12, 2024, 05:40 PMAwesome!
Who's he?
You'll get a chance to see him in the bowl game probably.
We just got a commit from a redshirt freshman OLine guy from Oregon. Apparently a 4 star in high school. Oregon to Arkansas. Man NIL has changed the world.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 12, 2024, 05:40 PMAwesome!
Who's he?
Quote from: animal on Dec 12, 2024, 05:59 PMYou'll get a chance to see him in the bowl game probably.
DB who will be starting on the OL in the Larry Bowl.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 12, 2024, 06:13 PMDB who will be starting on the OL in the Larry Bowl.
He's small but wiry
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 12, 2024, 06:11 PMWe just got a commit from a redshirt freshman OLine guy from Oregon. Apparently a 4 star in high school. Oregon to Arkansas. Man NIL has changed the world.
top 100 player in last years class.
recruited him hard out of hs.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2024, 06:20 PMtop 100 player in last years class.
recruited him hard out of hs.
6'8" tall.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 12, 2024, 07:13 PM6'8" tall.
Damn. Dan Skipper have family out in Oregon?
Edit: don't think they are related.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2024, 07:24 PMand 375 lbs.
Yeah. I hope he can move his feet.
https://x.com/hayesfawcett3/status/1867356932819898487?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
DJ mentioned that some of our offensive linemen felt Mateos was just too hard on them. If they quit because a coach got up their ass then fuck them. I'm beginning to feel a little different about our players and their desire to be Razorbacks.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 12, 2024, 06:11 PMWe just got a commit from a redshirt freshman OLine guy from Oregon. Apparently a 4 star in high school. Oregon to Arkansas. Man NIL has changed the world.
our luck he will get dysentery on the trail on the way back
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 12, 2024, 09:15 PMDJ mentioned that some of our offensive linemen felt Mateos was just too hard on them. If they quit because a coach got up their ass then fuck them. I'm beginning to feel a little different about our players and their desire to be Razorbacks.
You think they will like Belichik?
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 12, 2024, 09:15 PMDJ mentioned that some of our offensive linemen felt Mateos was just too hard on them. If they quit because a coach got up their ass then fuck them. I'm beginning to feel a little different about our players and their desire to be Razorbacks.
It's all about the money and being coddled. The Zero-Line was just that. If they had talent I didn't see it.
Kuntas makes it official and commits to the Klan.
Side note...if you unironically use "The Sip" to refer to America's worst state, you are the worst kind of retard.
The replies under his post are hilarious lol. Judas Kutas.
Fuck him.
It's funny watching all these kids make "business decisions" and then seek love and affirmation with big announcements on social media. It's business, nobody gives a fuck, kids. Take care of your business and shut the fuck up about it.
I hope Ole Miss spends $4m on a qb and Kutis typically misses his block and gets his qb injured.
He'll be 2nd string at best
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 13, 2024, 10:13 AMI hope Ole Miss spends $4m on a qb and Kutis typically misses his block and gets his qb injured.
Even though Pu Paul started at LB, he still was making his tackles from behind. I don't think they're really upgrading their talent by poaching Arkansas.
Sam said people be calling him from all over. And we should just enhance our calm.
So that's good enough for me.
Quote from: animal on Dec 13, 2024, 11:12 AMSam said people be calling him from all over. And we should just enhance our calm.
So that's good enough for me.
Not sure if you're serious but I feel better about the situation. Bowl game is going to suck, but if we really have the NIL money, things might work out.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 13, 2024, 12:23 PMNot sure if you're serious but I feel better about the situation. Bowl game is going to suck, but if we really have the NIL money, things might work out.
I think the operative word is is they have the money that they are willing to spend
Kutas didn't play well and Braun is terrible.
Kutas will forever be a piece of shit to me for taking money, refusing to play, and lying about not wanting to leave.
I just looked at the scores for the 3 exiting Offensive Linemen and they were all scoring around 69 (lower end of average)
Key returning..
Carmona scored 81.5
Blackstock scored 60.3
Harris scored (can't find it so far)
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 12, 2024, 06:11 PMWe just got a commit from a redshirt freshman OLine guy from Oregon. Apparently a 4 star in high school. Oregon to Arkansas. Man NIL has changed the world.
His mom wanted him to come here out of high school, but NIL at Oregon won out. This was a done deal for him to come here before he hit the portal.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Dec 13, 2024, 01:08 PMHis mom wanted him to come here out of high school, but NIL at Oregon won out. This was a done deal for him to come here before he hit the portal.
Sam was tampering!
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 13, 2024, 12:41 PMKutas didn't play well and Braun is terrible.
Braun left because he was told his starting spot wasn't guaranteed next year because a freshman, Kobe Branham, was probably going to take his spot next year.
:finger:
IMG_0081.jpeg
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 13, 2024, 12:53 PMKutas will forever be a piece of shit to me for taking money, refusing to play, and lying about not wanting to leave.
Yeah, at least be honorable. He's definitely old enough to know better.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 13, 2024, 09:54 AMIt's funny watching all these kids make "business decisions" and then seek love and affirmation with big announcements on social media. It's business, nobody gives a fuck, kids. Take care of your business and shut the fuck up about it.
Nobody gives a fuck but you've posted how many times about the portal?
Tell us more about how nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 13, 2024, 02:41 PMNobody gives a fuck but you've posted how many times about the portal?
Tell us more about how nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded.
You give a fuck. I post for you. Who would you bird dog if I didn't post for you? Thank you for reminding me of how important I am to you. I had thought of posting less, but you just reminded me that the grind is worth it.
If the kids are portalling up to schools that won more games than us, like ole miss, then why did we only win 6 games?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 13, 2024, 03:16 PMYou give a fuck. I post for you. Who would you bird dog if I didn't post for you? Thank you for reminding me of how important I am to you. I had thought of posting less, but you just reminded me that the grind is worth it.
You post 8 times per day. All for me. As your idol HTL would say, "rent free".
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 13, 2024, 04:24 PMYou post 8 times per day. All for me. As your idol HTL would say, "rent free".
I think you have that backwards my friend. But carry on. Let's see if you can go a week without quoting me.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 13, 2024, 03:17 PMIf the kids are portalling up to schools that won more games than us, like ole miss, then why did we only win 6 games?
Considering it's been 1 kid who only played in 4 games, I think it's a little too early to answer.
Rumor is Braxton is visiting there and he only played in 2 games.
braxton already visited and left without committing. hasz is there today. both still have a couple of other sec schools they're supposed to visit.
if only 7-8 guys who portaled made any difference at all on the field, then why we were only 6-6 goes a little deeper than that.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 13, 2024, 04:36 PMI think you have that backwards my friend. But carry on. Let's see if you can go a week without quoting me.
Let's see if you can go a day without posting. WooPig would be grateful
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 13, 2024, 06:13 PMLet's see if you can go a day without posting. WooPig would be grateful
You already failed. lol
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 13, 2024, 06:21 PMYou already failed. lol
So did you, but your used to that.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 13, 2024, 10:27 PMSo did you, but your used to that.
I not the one stalking you.
This one can go fuck himself too.
https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1867788486394212846?t=3dSL29M0H0uqEKqwvT__RQ&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1867788486394212846?t=3dSL29M0H0uqEKqwvT__RQ&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 13, 2024, 10:56 PMThis one can go fuck himself too.
Why? Because he's going to get a bigger bag?
But we have money according to Sam. So did Sam not match what Kiffin offered him? If so then I can't blame him. No one loves the helmet anymore. Like you argued for pages and pages, it's all about the bag now.
No, because he played 2 games all year and stood on the sidelines wearing chains and shades (at night).Essentially giving him an extra year of eligibility. He can fuck himself for wasting what little money we had.
Do you even watch any games?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 14, 2024, 12:10 AMNo, because he played 2 games all year and stood on the sidelines wearing chains and shades (at night).Essentially giving him an extra year of eligibility. He can fuck himself for wasting what little money we had.
Do you even watch any games?
Every second of every one. No need to go there bud.
So it wasnt about the money for him then? I thought that's where we were, but okay. What's the argument now besides, "Fuck him too!" That seems like a pretty big Fuck You from him if it wasn't about money.
Kiffin is just trolling the Arkansas brass now.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 13, 2024, 12:53 PMKutas will forever be a piece of shit to me for taking money, refusing to play, and lying about not wanting to leave.
Yep. Fuck him.
We'll get the last laugh next year when Ole Miss only wins 10 games and just misses the CFP again.
braxton had been gone for a while after the team doctors misdiagnosed a fractured kneecap and called it a bone bruise.
Yeah is that doctor still on our payroll?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 14, 2024, 08:09 AMYeah is that doctor still on our payroll?
I would bet yes.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 13, 2024, 01:25 PM:finger:
Ole Miss has all that camo money and a multi-unit Taco Bell franchisee among their donors.
How could we ever compete with that??
Nothing will improve on the NIL front until Sam is replaced.
OU QB Arnold going to Auburn.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 14, 2024, 08:31 AMOU QB Arnold going to Auburn.
This isn't a bad thing for the rest of the teams on their schedule. Arnold sucks.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 14, 2024, 08:31 AMOU QB Arnold going to Auburn.
last seasons all-world QB for them that was taken down by the mightly Razorbacks ended up being super thrilled to go to Iowa.
Hank Brown I believe his name is.
Quote from: animal on Dec 14, 2024, 09:29 AMlast seasons all-world QB for them that was taken down by the mightly Razorbacks ended up being super thrilled to go to Iowa.
Hank Brown I believe his name is.
A qb that can't throw went to a team that doesn't know how to throw?
Good deal for that guy.
Hasz to Ole Miss. Kiffin has to be tampering with our guys.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 14, 2024, 11:40 AMHasz to Ole Miss. Kiffin has to be tampering with our guys.
https://x.com/grissomonx/status/1867988436642341025
Ya think? This is fucking hilarious.
Embarrassing. Hilarious, but embarrassing.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 14, 2024, 12:08 PMhttps://x.com/grissomonx/status/1867988436642341025
Ya think? This is fucking hilarious.
Yep. And isn't Miss considered the poorest state in the nation? They are whipping our asses in more ways than I can count.
That's just disrespectful but I'm laughing anyway.
Quote from: animal on Dec 14, 2024, 12:14 PMYep. And isn't Miss considered the poorest state in the nation? They are whipping our asses in more ways than I can count.
their fans are saying they offered him north of 700k. supposedly he was getting half of that at arkansas.
ole miss collective has around 6k members. does ours's even have a thousand?
The Arkansas players knew what they were getting before they entered the portal.We couldn't/wouldn't match so they left.
Strictly a money thing. Ole Miss is tampering before players enter the portal. Pretty sure that's not legal.
$700k for a tight end that had a bad year and can't stay healthy? At least he'll have a full head of hair now.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 14, 2024, 01:25 PM$700k for a tight end that had a bad year and can't stay healthy? At least he'll have a full head of hair now.
Throw a hair club for men membership in there for Luke. Injury prone pos.
At some point, I think it's following the old Saban tactic of recruiting your state/team's best players not because you're that interested but so that they don't play against you.
At any rate, fuck them, Kutas especially.
Would love to beat OM next year as much as I wanted to beat them when Nutt went there. But, I don't see that happening until we get our shit together.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 14, 2024, 11:40 AMHasz Been to Ole Miss. Kiffin has to be tampering with our guys.
FIFY
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 13, 2024, 01:25 PM:finger:
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This post has been deleted. I doubt Kiffin deleted his.
In different news, Pooh is going pro.
https://x.com/poohpaul4/status/1868005620458160271?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
If he really is costing them $700K, would we really want to pay that for 2+ a little catches and under 30 yards a game. There are a lot of interchangeable TEs that could do that but maybe not with the QBs we roll out there, which is the problem (or one of many).
If he is suddenly healthy when he has never been then that is a surprise, not something I would bet $700K on.
he could be an all-american or he could hurt his back again in spring ball. it wasn't like this was the first season he was injured. a somewhat chronic back for a tight end is usually problematic.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 14, 2024, 03:10 PMhe could be an all-american or he could hurt his back again in spring ball. it wasn't like this was the first season he was injured. a somewhat chronic back for a tight end is usually problematic.
I don't blame Pittman for not matching those(if real) numbers. They're not worth that.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 14, 2024, 02:04 PMWould love to beat OM next year as much as I wanted to beat them when Nutt went there. But, I don't see that happening until we get our shit together.
If Arkansas can only win one of these games next season, which you choose?
Ole Miss
Notre Dame
Ole Miss.
No doubt.
Quote from: olive_branch_hog on Dec 14, 2024, 04:10 PMIf Arkansas can only win one of these games next season, which you choose?
Ole Miss
Notre Dame
Ole Piss and hope ND bus broke down on the way here.
I doubt they paid him that much.
Maybe Bobby can hand pick another successor.
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1868045526492446940?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 14, 2024, 09:34 AMA qb that can't throw went to a team that doesn't know how to throw?
take away armstrong and you are talking about us.
kind of full in the qb room.
as bad as auburn needs a qb, it's a little weird that he's giving up after a redshirt year.
Not portal but still good...
https://x.com/ArRecruitingGuy/status/1868050892911763537
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 14, 2024, 04:16 PMMaybe Bobby can hand pick another successor.
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1868045526492446940?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Let him cook.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 14, 2024, 04:16 PMMaybe Bobby can hand pick another successor.
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1868045526492446940?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
I'm afraid Green is our ride or die. Maybe the freshman will beat him out.
Walker White couldn't get on the field last year on a bad Auburn team he's not coming in at Arkansas and beating out two other kids that have been in the "system".
He'll probably have to end up at A-State to slum it for a year or two and get his dollas up.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 14, 2024, 04:34 PMI'm afraid Green is our ride or die. Maybe the freshman will beat him out.
We have a "Green" and that is a "White". Somewhere there has to be a "Brown". We should try to collect colors. It wouldn't work any worse that whatever the fuck we have been doing.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 14, 2024, 07:48 PMWe have a "Green" and that is a "White". Somewhere there has to be a "Brown". We should try to collect colors. It wouldn't work any worse that whatever the fuck we have been doing.
We have a Brown. You know, the guy that fumbled during the Texass game.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 14, 2024, 10:54 PMWe have a Brown. You know, the guy that fumbled during the Texass game.
Those colors come at you so fast Chuck.
Spit
https://x.com/farrellportal/status/1868259174297055245?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Sounds like we got the North Texas WR.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 15, 2024, 06:28 AMSpit
https://x.com/farrellportal/status/1868259174297055245?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Enjoy riding the bench.
I think they all drive Lamborghini's.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 15, 2024, 08:44 AMSounds like we got the North Texas WR.
Hope he's as good as that North Texas TE we got a couple years ago!
Quote from: egregious on Dec 14, 2024, 07:48 PMWe have a "Green" and that is a "White". Somewhere there has to be a "Brown". We should try to collect colors. It wouldn't work any worse that whatever the fuck we have been doing.
Like these guys?
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Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 15, 2024, 10:16 AMLike these guys?
did not think of that but yes :beer:
Portal addition from OU
some db
Kani Walker. Played 10 games for OU last season, started 3. 24 tackles, oen interception, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery, one QB hurry and four pass breakups.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 15, 2024, 01:15 PMKani Walker. Played 10 games for OU last season, started 3. 24 tackles, oen interception, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery, one QB hurry and four pass breakups.
but can he do the birdie thing?
got a wr from fresno st. not a big guy, but it looks like he played for petrino at missouri st.
He had solid numbers at Fresno.
At 5'9" 165, I sure hope he's FAST.
https://247sports.com/Player/raylen-sharpe-46084691/TimelineEvents/
He has quite a background 🙄. Originally committed to SMU, flipped to Houston but never saw the field, transferred to Missouri State, went in and out of the portal in late 2023, went back in the portal in April 2024 and then landed at Fresno.
EDIT: Well, maybe that 247 site is full of garbage. It shows he transferred to Missouri State in November 2023 but I see elsewhere he had stats for Missouri State for both 2022 and 2023. He had almost 1,000 yards at MOST in 2023.
Sategna's replacement. Upgrade? Doubtful.
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 15, 2024, 02:56 PMSategna's replacement. Upgrade? Doubtful.
Can he fair catch a punt?
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 15, 2024, 02:56 PMSategna's replacement. Upgrade? Doubtful.
maybe there are other receivers to be signed? not sure he's a one for one replacement.
I would think we would want big rangy WRs for our dipshit QB that can't throw it accurately but I'm guessing Petrino wants smaller more precise route runners.
Looking at On3.com they don't have Bridges "coming back" to Arkansas out of the portal.
crazy
https://x.com/SportSourceA/status/1868415958781423818
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 15, 2024, 01:15 PMKani Walker. Played 10 games for OU last season, started 3. 24 tackles, oen interception, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery, one QB hurry and four pass breakups.
Sounds like an all-American compared to what we had in our secondary
https://x.com/braylenrussell/status/1868440440669626848?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/braylenrussell/status/1868440440669626848?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
#Godsplan
For fucks sake nobody wants to see highlights of your 4 plays you made last season to earn you 5 times what we're willing to pay.
nice parting message. left out the dollar signs.
going to have to let go of the 'we need home grown kids because they know what being a hog is'. 'errbody wantin' da bag.
#Blessedandhighlyfavored
#checknevercame
We probably tried to pinky promise him that we'd sit down and hash out a new deal as soon as the Liberty Bowl was finished.
All of you need to join Pharmhog and I in abandoning Razorback athletics for horse racing. Enjoyment is 10x.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 15, 2024, 06:12 PMWe probably tried to pinky promise him that we'd sit down and hash out a new deal as soon as the Liberty Bowl was finished.
Maybe he just can't the value in patiently waiting until we get us a crackerjack GM in April.
Kids.
I saw something yesterday that said we were down to 3 rbs for the bowl. One of those was Russell.
So I guess its Tony Hill and the other guy, whose name I can't recall.
Unless he's D. Henry, not overly concerned about a plus sized running back. Tailbacks are a dime a dozen.
apparently he went into the portal to get the best offer, arkansas gave him what he wanted (at the time), and then his agent shopped him around again.
fuck some of these guys,
Would love to know why he didn't play much when he was a dominating power runner. Did bmfp not trust him? Sam loyalty to lesser players like Dubinion? Sam looking for a redshirt instead of using them up? He was gone when he posted that tweet about not playing and Sam didn't know if he played or not. Why would any player with an opportunity to go elsewhere with a solid program choose to come to the clown show. Fuck Yuri. Fuck Sam. I'm hoping bmfp and twill leave and it's Yuri and Sam with their dicks in their hand.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 15, 2024, 06:22 PMI saw something yesterday that said we were down to 3 rbs for the bowl. One of those was Russell.
So I guess its Tony Hill and the other guy, whose name I can't recall.
Some guy named Dubinion.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 15, 2024, 06:23 PMUnless he's D. Henry, not overly concerned about a plus sized running back. Tailbacks are a dime a dozen.
Unless of course you are down to your last 20 cents.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 15, 2024, 06:28 PMSome guy named Dubinion.
had "successful" surgery a couple of days ago. nothing after that.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 15, 2024, 06:27 PMWould love to know why he didn't play much when he was a dominating power runner. Did bmfp not trust him? Sam loyalty to lesser players like Dubinion? Sam looking for a redshirt instead of using them up? He was gone when he posted that tweet about not playing and Sam didn't know if he played or not. Why would any player with an opportunity to go elsewhere with a solid program choose to come to the clown show. Fuck Yuri. Fuck Sam. I'm hoping bmfp and twill leave and it's Yuri and Sam with their dicks in their hand.
My guess is they were trying to hide him on the roster knowing we were gonna be 6-6 anyways. When he flashed they quickly shut that shit down and we were supposed to pretend we didn't see that.
Quote from: animal on Dec 15, 2024, 06:33 PMMy guess is they were trying to hide him on the roster knowing we were gonna be 6-6 anyways. When he flashed they quickly shut that shit down and we were supposed to pretend we didn't see that.
Dang, that actually sounds like something we'd do.
Hill and Reed and wasn't there a Crawford on the roster? Probably some walkons that would love to increase their D2 value
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 15, 2024, 06:24 PMapparently he went into the portal to get the best offer, arkansas gave him what he wanted (at the time), and then his agent shopped him around again.
fuck some of these guys,
I've about done with big time college athletics. The great thing I remember about football was the team aspect of it. That's a thing of the past.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 15, 2024, 06:27 PMWould love to know why he didn't play much when he was a dominating power runner. Did bmfp not trust him? Sam loyalty to lesser players like Dubinion? Sam looking for a redshirt instead of using them up? He was gone when he posted that tweet about not playing and Sam didn't know if he played or not. Why would any player with an opportunity to go elsewhere with a solid program choose to come to the clown show. Fuck Yuri. Fuck Sam. I'm hoping bmfp and twill leave and it's Yuri and Sam with their dicks in their hand.
dude. he withdrew from the portal when he got his money. it seems that his dad is his 'agent' and wants him to try for more, if he hasn't already got the offer.
plenty of shit to dump on pittman, but i don't blame him at all for not wanting to play this kid's (dad's) game.
i'll add: yuracheck, imo, has totally fucked up the school's approach to nil. it would not shock me if there's a new ad in place to fire pittman next season.
I'm quickly moving toward blaming Yuri more than Pittman. Maybe if he wasn't busy with the playoff committee and interviewing for every open AD job, he'd have known more about the current direction of SEC football.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 15, 2024, 06:35 PMI've about done with big time college athletics. The great thing I remember about football was the team aspect of it. That's a thing of the past.
Getting there myself. It's all about the players now. They have all the leverage.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 15, 2024, 06:35 PMI've about done with big time college athletics. The great thing I remember about football was the team aspect of it. That's a thing of the past.
You are not alone. Thanksgiving weekend against LSU there was a feeling in the air. It's fucking over and never coming back. I've got better things to do with my time and money.
It actually started for me once all games were televised. Used to drive up to the hill and the excitement was uncontrollable.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 15, 2024, 06:35 PMI've about done with big time college athletics. The great thing I remember about football was the team aspect of it. That's a thing of the past.
Same here. There used to be not much loyalty among coaches. Now it is the players. College athletics is screwed up. You can't even name the players on the team from year to year.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 15, 2024, 07:20 PMSame here. There used to be not much loyalty among coaches. Now it is the players. College athletics is screwed up. You can't even name the players on the team from year to year.
There was a time I had to be at every game. No more. It's not because I'm older either. It's just not the same.
Grown NFL players use to cry like a baby when the first season of college football started after they'd gone pro.
It meant something.
When will he sign for another SEC team on our schedule?
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Dec 15, 2024, 07:37 PMWhen will he sign for another SEC team on our schedule Ole Miss?
Fixed.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 15, 2024, 07:44 PMFixed.
they are hosting a rb from bama this week who is much better. they won't take russell over him if that kid commits.
supposedly it was tenner that offered him when he went into the portal the first time.
Okay can somebody remind me, why did the transfer rules go away in the first place? It wasn't because of the NIL ruling by the courts, that's a completely separate issue.
I thought the transfer rules were relaxed due to Covid. And my guess is they never came back because the NCAA is a completely neutered organization now.
Is there something different than that?
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 15, 2024, 06:35 PMI've about done with big time college athletics. The great thing I remember about football was the team aspect of it. That's a thing of the past.
I'm there too. Another thing I hate is that the production value we seem to be aiming for is WWE. Flames and over the top screaming announcers.
There's nothing collegiate about college sports anymore.
It was fine the way it was with grad transfers getting a reward for you know...graduating. It helped some small school kids get that big opportunity. Then it morphed into allowing "hardships" because everybody and their brother suddenly had a sick mother then it morphed into 1 time transfer but also you can transfer again when you graduate to then fuck it just transfer as much as you want. I can't wait for mid-season trades or signing enough people out of the portal to field a team for the shitty bowl game we're about to play...
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 15, 2024, 08:19 PMOkay can somebody remind me, why did the transfer rules go away in the first place? It wasn't because of the NIL ruling by the courts, that's a completely separate issue.
I thought the transfer rules were relaxed due to Covid. And my guess is they never came back because the NCAA is a completely neutered organization now.
Is there something different than that?
because it was a decision based on an anti trust lawsuit against the ncaa brought by the doj and a bunch of states.
Pedo U back-up QB enters the portal BEFORE the playoff game. The NCAA needs to change the portal date
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 15, 2024, 06:22 PMI saw something yesterday that said we were down to 3 rbs for the bowl. One of those was Russell.
So I guess its Tony Hill and the other guy, whose name I can't recall.
Looks like you can't recall either name.
jezreel bachert is going to get his big moment.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 15, 2024, 08:43 PMLooks like you can't recall either name.
You're right. It's Rodney Hill. I think.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 15, 2024, 06:28 PMSome guy named Dubinion.
No, he is out for the bowl. Getting some kind of surgery done.
Eric Singleton, GT's deep threat and only top player we have lost, signed with Ole Miss.
Fuck 'im.
AT least it wasn't UGAG.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 15, 2024, 09:32 PMEric Singleton, GT's deep threat and only top player we have lost, signed with Ole Miss.
Fuck 'im.
AT least it wasn't UGAG.
what can you tell us about corey robinson? he's on campus and the staff is pretty high on him.
Were the other players all bottoms?
Did he want a million?
https://x.com/razorbackHobbs/status/1868740183853875368
Braun to KY
https://x.com/Thatjohnguy17/status/1868667172937228576
PFF had Josh Liddell as the highest rated SEC safety as well. Useless.
Of all the players who have portables, Russell can fuck off the most. Hope he blows out both knees.
Well, you'll never get it if you don't ask.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 16, 2024, 02:39 PMDid he want a million?
https://x.com/razorbackHobbs/status/1868740183853875368
He totally trucked that one guy against Tennessee though, so that should put him in the heisman race next year.
I think he's going to turn out to be a poster boy for NIL abuses.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 16, 2024, 02:54 PMOf all the players who have portables, Russell can fuck off the most. Hope he blows out both knees.
No enmity for judas kutas?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 16, 2024, 02:39 PMDid he want a million?
https://x.com/razorbackHobbs/status/1868740183853875368
A fucking mill for a college RB? Dime a dozen. If he'd stayed gets it better enjoy it, and save it. Chances are he'll get a knee, and be done. If he'd stayed happens to get drafted in mid round or later he won't make $1 mil a year on his rookie deal. RBs have no value.
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 16, 2024, 03:43 PMNo enmity for judas kutas?
Could Russell blow out both knees while tripping over Kutas who has stumbled over and lands on a Haasz? Kutas is out for the season with a torn weenus and ripped vagina. Haasz is out for the season with a back injury.
No wishing an injury in anyone, but...
Torn weenus made me laugh
Quote from: RPL on Dec 16, 2024, 04:45 PMCould Russell blow out both knees while tripping over Kutas who has stumbled over and lands on a Haasz? Kutas is out for the season with a torn weenus and ripped vagina. Haasz is out for the season with a back injury.
No wishing an injury in anyone, but...
:maundoed: :rofl:
I don't blame Russell or any of those guys for trying to get paid especially if somebody out there willing to do it. That being said...fuck that guy. Dirty capitalist scum. :stache:
We didn't have any talent here, according to most. But we have now had 3 go to Ole Miss, 1 to Texas, 1 to Kentucky, and two to Michigan (the Metcalf brothers just announced that they are going to Michigan).
And I am missing some.
We had a bad Oline. Kutas was arguably the best but didn't play. Green wasn't a very good QB but in part due to the line.
Metcalf was our best secondary player (sans Braxton, who again didn't play) but that isn't saying much.
Little surprised Texas took Spense. Sorry and Dix were better at LB. I think Shaw would've taken some of his mins next year.
Braun going to KY is a downgrade. They are worse off than we are.
How many SEC teams have players transferring to the Hogs?
there's a wr from bama and a dt from georgia visiting today.
Sam doing less with more.
Yeah those top 15 recruiting classes (in the SEC) should be winning 9 games a year. Add in portal additions like Blackstone, Braun, etc. we should be a shoe in for the playoffs.
James Franklin says their backup QB wanted to play in the playoffs but knew he wasn't the future starter so had no good choices....but chose the portal.
He also said the portal should not be open until the playoffs are over.
And that college football needs a commissioner not connected to a conference.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 16, 2024, 06:38 PMWe didn't have any talent here, according to most. But we have now had 3 go to Ole Miss, 1 to Texas, 1 to Kentucky, and two to Michigan (the Metcalf brothers just announced that they are going to Michigan).
And I am missing some.
First it was lack of talent, then lack of NIL support from the fans, then not really either one of those.
Gee whiz, sounds like it might be something else.
Thats the last 30 pages of this thread in 25 words or less.
Quote from: TC on Dec 16, 2024, 09:34 PMFirst it was lack of talent, then lack of NIL support from the fans, then not really either one of those.
Gee whiz, sounds like it might be something else.
Thats the last 30 pages of this thread in 25 words or less.
Bullied by other students
We had 10 teams in the SEC finish with a better record than us. Which of those teams have the same or less talent than us? Mizz? USC-E (doubt it)?
In case it's hard to follow... money is getting talent. You have coaches outright saying it. So yes. we have a talent issue and yes we have an NIL issue. The two are directly connected.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 16, 2024, 10:10 PMWe had 10 teams in the SEC finish with a better record than us. Which of those teams have the same or less talent than us? Mizz? USC-E (doubt it)?
In case it's hard to follow... money is getting talent. You have coaches outright saying it. So yes. we have a talent issue and yes we have an NIL issue. The two are directly connected.
Pitt said it's not a money problem, so it's talent that he signed? Meanwhile Sanders just ripped off 900 yds, and USCe *might* win 10 games.
He said it's not a problem this year.
USC-E only won 5 games last year. They picked up guys like Sanders, Norris and their stud DE. They got better players and they won more games.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 16, 2024, 10:44 PMHe said it's not a problem this year.
Whew. That's really comforting going into year 6. I mean it's almost like we're not seeing a mass exodus from the program.
Hey but that Liberty Bowl, huh? Pitt made another bowl!
https://x.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1868856447167279187
Ole Miss is buying a lot of guys. LOL they'll still only win 10.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 16, 2024, 11:52 AMwhat can you tell us about corey robinson? he's on campus and the staff is pretty high on him.
was away from the computer
The OL was vastly improved this year and he played a lot. I want to say 3 tackles played a bunch. He is solid.
https://x.com/__whatley__/status/1868767206450118862?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: egregious on Dec 17, 2024, 07:01 AMwas away from the computer
The OL was vastly improved this year and he played a lot. I want to say 3 tackles played a bunch. He is solid.
:thumb_up:
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 17, 2024, 07:02 AMhttps://x.com/__whatley__/status/1868767206450118862?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
There are a lot of NBA and NFL players on their first contracts who are making half of that. Is there really that much money going around?
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Dec 17, 2024, 08:15 AMThere are a lot of NBA and NFL players on their first contracts who are making half of that. Is there really that much money going around?
If true, the average 401k balance at NRA is worth what some kid gets for
playing in dressing out for 4 or 5 college games.
$700k would cover the annual tuition of 60+ kids at TT.
But the fans need to pay more and the coaches need to take paycuts. Fuck the sport for what it has become.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 17, 2024, 08:31 AMBut the fans need to pay more and the coaches need to take paycuts. Fuck the sport for what it has become.
The monetary aspect has been pushed off on the fans which was never the intention. People will eventually grow tured of it. Even for the schools who are winning. Only way I see it slowing down is go back to sitting out if you transfer.
What surprises me is the lack of acknowledgement from conference commissioners. They know it's completely broken yet you hear very little from them asking for a change. At some point someone has to step up and do something outside of guys like Saban. Right now there seems to be zero push for change.
he signed with a&m and their fans say that is all bullshit.
That last demand about "medical and injury time off to be determined by Micah and his family" would be all I need to see to tell him to GTFO.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 17, 2024, 08:46 AMThe monetary aspect has been pushed off on the fans which was never the intention. People will eventually grow tured of it. Even for the schools who are winning. Only way I see it slowing down is go back to sitting out if you transfer.
What surprises me is the lack of acknowledgement from conference commissioners. They know it's completely broken yet you hear very little from them asking for a change. At some point someone has to step up and do something outside of guys like Saban. Right now there seems to be zero push for change.
They're all afraid of something they say publicly being used against them in a lawsuit down the road. Bunch of pussies.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 17, 2024, 08:49 AMThat last demand about "medical and injury time off to be determined by Micah and his family" would be all I need to see to tell him to GTFO.
but that's already the case. a player can sit out as long as he wants (see braxton).
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 17, 2024, 09:04 AMbut that's already the case. a player can sit out as long as he wants (see braxton).
See Nick Smith.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Dec 17, 2024, 08:30 AMIf true, the average 401k balance at NRA is worth what some kid gets for playing in dressing out for 4 or 5 college games.
$700k would cover the annual tuition of 60+ kids at TT.
$700k average 401k?
I wish you hadn't mentioned that.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 17, 2024, 09:07 AM$700k average 401k?
I wish you hadn't mentioned that.
The NRA doesn't pay much.
didn't see it posted. got an edge rusher from mich st. yesterday. rotation player probably.
wr from uab committed today. 62 catches, 656yrd and 6 td as a rs freshman. also led the nation in total punt return yards, average punt return yards, and punt returns for td. 1st team all-aac as a returner. 3rd team as a wr.
that's you're 'sategna replacement' if you're doing it like that.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 17, 2024, 10:58 AMdidn't see it posted. got an edge rusher from mich st. yesterday. rotation player probably.
wr from uab committed today. 62 catches, 656yrd and 6 td as a rs freshman. also led the nation in total punt return yards, average punt return yards, and punt returns for td. 1st team all-aac as a returner. 3rd team as a wr.
that's you're 'sategna replacement' if you're doing it like that.
He is only required to catch it under Fountain and BLS, so his job is easy.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 17, 2024, 11:29 AMHe is only required to catch it under Fountain and BLS, so his job is easy.
I'm FAIRly certain there is a word missing.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 17, 2024, 10:58 AMdidn't see it posted. got an edge rusher from mich st. yesterday. rotation player probably.
wr from uab committed today. 62 catches, 656yrd and 6 td as a rs freshman. also led the nation in total punt return yards, average punt return yards, and punt returns for td. 1st team all-aac as a returner. 3rd team as a wr.
that's you're 'sategna replacement' if you're doing it like that.
Not bad. Don't we have a Bama WR visiting?
visited over the weekend. recruiting guys feel pretty good about him.
got a te from a&m. 6'5" 260, going to be more of a blocker it sounds like.
Pull for this kid.
https://x.com/DannyWest247/status/1869107179141378178?t=kFFZuKFiP5HH0ddgtRmyQA&s=19 (https://x.com/DannyWest247/status/1869107179141378178?t=kFFZuKFiP5HH0ddgtRmyQA&s=19)
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 17, 2024, 01:35 PMgot a te from a&m. 6'5" 260, going to be more of a blocker it sounds like.
Already forgot about Haez or whatever his name was.
Dubinion. He gone!
Dubinion to the portal
Dubinion gone. He must be like 30.
I mean if I am being honest there's maybe 3 guys that have hit the portal that got up into my feels a bit. Out of 28 that's not bad.
gets his knee cleaned up and then bails.
i have no problem with players getting nil, even some of the ridiculous amounts, but having a little character will take most of these guys farther than what cash they are going to get now.
Jokes on him...has he seen our success rate with UAMS surgical care?
https://x.com/derrico_henrio/status/1864420633594999170
The NCAA just really doesn't GAF anymore do they? When was the last time they said no to anything?
Quote from: animal on Dec 17, 2024, 06:59 PMhttps://x.com/derrico_henrio/status/1864420633594999170
That's not real.
I've purposely ignored Razorback football the last week or so because it's so depressing how low we've sunk as a program. I didn't even know we'd lost both Russell and Dubinion.
So we lost Russell as well as the guy we were inexplicably giving his carries to?
Just lol. We're such a depressing unserious shitshow of a program.
Fire Yurachek into the sun.
We're just setting it up for the return of Dowell Loggains. Yuracheck's son was his first hire at his new job.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 17, 2024, 05:37 PMgets his knee cleaned up and then bails.
i have no problem with players getting nil, even some of the ridiculous amounts, but having a little character will take most of these guys farther than what cash they are going to get now.
How many of these big $ players understand the tax consequences of it as they are 1099 folks right? IRS coming to see them after they bought mama that fancy new house and daddy a truck and myself a diamond toenail and three goes.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 17, 2024, 08:23 PMHow many of these big $ players understand the tax consequences of it as they are 1099 folks right? IRS coming to see them after they bought mama that fancy new house and daddy a truck and myself a diamond toenail and three goes.
the school can tell them what's ahead, it won't be a mystery.
whether they heed the warning, who knows, but there are literally millions who don't pay their taxes. these guys won't have a monopoly on that.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 17, 2024, 09:07 AM$700k average 401k?
I wish you hadn't mentioned that.
$200-250k average for age 65. I was spitballing a prorated $700k + 3 cars/ season so I could be off a game or two.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 17, 2024, 07:03 PMThe NCAA just really doesn't GAF anymore do they? When was the last time they said no to anything?
Jesse Pate
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 17, 2024, 03:03 PMAlready forgot about Haez or whatever his name was.
Hayes or Haus?
Interesting
https://x.com/wrightsbarbecue/status/1869231779866964459?t=3u9IbNESHEG-ZItAvJnaRw&s=19 (https://x.com/wrightsbarbecue/status/1869231779866964459?t=3u9IbNESHEG-ZItAvJnaRw&s=19)
So we're right back to the Chad years. Death penalty type burning down of the program. Just join the SWAC and be done with it. That's about the level of give a crap anyone up there has.
Unserious program is unserious.
Quote from: Guardrail on Dec 18, 2024, 05:50 AMSo we're right back to the Chad years. Death penalty type burning down of the program. Just join the SWAC and be done with it. That's about the level of give a crap anyone up there has.
Unserious program is unserious.
Sam needs to go for the gusto and totally destroy this thing. Lose every player to the portal including all the walkons. Then he'll be remembered for something at least.
Players that want to win a lot of games and compete for Championships know to go somewhere else. In 2011 today's recruits probably hadn't put on their first set of pads yet.
Just from the outside looking in, it seems like players are testing the waters a little and we are refusing to match. I get it if a player thinks he is way more valuable than he actually is, but at a certain point you have to have some continuity. Even if you replace players with equal or slightly better talent, there are going to be issues and drop offs in production caused by players being new to the system, particularly on offense.
Given the way HY and Sam have talked and have operated in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have some sort of blanket policy about refusing to match players they felt had been tampered with. So players come to them about what they've heard they might get in the portal and we refuse to negotiate with them. So they hit the portal.
Something is going on. Some of these guys would have been major contributors. Dubinion, barring some injury or us pulling a rabbit out of the hat in the portal, was going to be a starting running back on an SEC team. Outside of the NFL, that's about as good as it gets for a RB. You don't portal out of that situation. Something is rotten in Denmark.
Looking at everyone who has portaled or been kicked off the team, I'm not seeing this huge issue that some of you are seeing.
Braylen Russell (FR - RB) - 47 rushes for 304 yards and 2 TDs. Didn't really offer much this year in terms of production. but was recognized as someone who would have a solid future for the Hogs. He is a shitty human so no hurt feelings that he is moving on and I don't fault Pittman for not negotiating with him.
Addison Nichols (R-SO, OC) - Had no stats for 2024. Had no stats for Tennessee in 2022 or 2023.
Brad Spence (SO - LB) - 52 tackles/26 solo/28 assisted/4.5 sacks. Not much from the freshman year but he is a loss for sure.
Selman Bridges (FR-CB) - No stats for the year. I guess he could have been someone to build on. He was a 4 star out of High School. Kani Walker from Oklahoma hopefully will be an upgrade.
Ja'Qinden Jackson (R-SR, RB) - retiring. 149 attempts, 790 yards, 15 TDs. Guess he is out of eligibility. Regardless, he was not the future.
Kaden Henley (R-SO, LB) - No stats in his two years.
Tevis Metcalf (FR, S) - No stats on the year. 3 star coming out of school.
Dylan Hasz (SO, S) - No stats for his two years. He wasn't ever going to be a quality player for the team.
Alex Sanford (SO, LB) - No stats for his two years.
Carson Dean (R-FR, LB) - Didn't see any action this year outside the first and last game. Was a 4 star so maybe he would have been worth keeping.
Nico Davilier (JR, DE) - 23 Tackles/8 Solo/15 assisted/1 sack. Not much production in his 3 years. But he was a body. Michigan State DE Ken Talley should be at least an equal replacement.
Joshua Braun (OG) - Played 3 years at Florida, 2 at Arkansas, and will finish at Kentucky. Not sure its Pittman's fault he didn't want to keep a job hoping senior. Replacing with a Freshman transfer, JacQawn McRoy. Might be a net positive for the Hogs.
Luke Hasz (TE) - 26 catches for 324 yards and 4 TDs. Seems to be injured a lot though he played in most games. Replaced by Jaden Platt. The trade is a net zero impact and most likely benefits Arkansas.
Patrick Kutas (JR, OL) - Didn't play but a big loss. If the stories are to be believed, he lied. So I don't fault Pittman for not negotiating with him. Oh, and fuck Kutas.
Isaiah Sategna (R-SO, WR) - 37 catches for 491 yards and 1 TD. This one hurts only because we need receivers. Surly we can replace that production though.
Malachi Singleton (R-FR, QB) - I don't know what to say here. I guess this one hurts but if Green is your guy then I don't know how it could be Pittman's fault that he is choosing to leave. The guy is going to get paid so sticking around another year doesn't help him. Plus, we have two good QB options coming in. It will be critical that we develop these guys. With that said, QB is the least of my worries with Petrino on staff.
Amaury Wiggins (R-SO, OC) - No real production in his two years.
Jaedon Wilson (R-JR, WR) - No production in his three years. Shouldn't be hard to replace.
Tyrus Washington (TE) - dismissed from team
Var'Keyes Gumms (TE) - dismissed from team
Edit: I think I got all the portalers or quitters as we used to call them.
So if player development is no longer a thing, why do we not have a coach who can maximize production from existing talent?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 18, 2024, 10:16 AMSo if player development is no longer a thing, why do we not have a coach who can maximize production from existing talent?
I'm certainly not arguing against player development. My point would be every roster has guys that are only on the roster to be punching bags for the real players. A lot of the guys hitting the portal seems to be those players. Practice players if you will.
Certainly we have 3 or 4 guys that either were or should have been productive players and development certainly is expected. Of those 3 or 4, 1 or two of them I have not problem if Pittman didn't play their game.
All I'm really saying is that it doesn't appear that they sky is falling.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 18, 2024, 10:48 AMI'm certainly not arguing against player development. My point would be every roster has guys that are only on the roster to be punching bags for the real players. A lot of the guys hitting the portal seems to be those players. Practice players if you will.
Certainly we have 3 or 4 guys that either were or should have been productive players and development certainly is expected. Of those 3 or 4, 1 or two of them I have not problem if Pittman didn't play their game.
All I'm really saying is that it doesn't appear that they sky is falling.
Okay, name the starters coming back who were "developed" and will be contributing next year.
Green for one. Unless you think he got worse as the year went and won't be better next year. Which then begs the question, "Why do you hate BMFP?"
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 18, 2024, 10:54 AMGreen for one. Unless you think he got worse as the year went and won't be better next year. Which then begs the question, "Why do you hate BMFP?"
You got one for now. Portal season ain't over. Name some more.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4911904/keyron-crawford (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4911904/keyron-crawford)
I confirmed that this guy got $300k to move from A-State to Auburn last year and is due another $100k. For zero sacks or TFL's. What a world.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 18, 2024, 11:37 AMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4911904/keyron-crawford (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4911904/keyron-crawford)
I confirmed that this guy got $300k to move from A-State to Auburn last year and is due another $100k. For zero sacks or TFL's. What a world.
We have freshman linebacker that redshirted. My sources say he's getting $100k for this year and probably another $100k next year.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 18, 2024, 10:01 AMLooking at everyone who has portaled or been kicked off the team, I'm not seeing this huge issue that some of you are seeing.
Braylen Russell (FR - RB) - 47 rushes for 304 yards and 2 TDs. Didn't really offer much this year in terms of production. but was recognized as someone who would have a solid future for the Hogs. He is a shitty human so no hurt feelings that he is moving on and I don't fault Pittman for not negotiating with him.
Addison Nichols (R-SO, OC) - Had no stats for 2024. Had no stats for Tennessee in 2022 or 2023.
Brad Spence (SO - LB) - 52 tackles/26 solo/28 assisted/4.5 sacks. Not much from the freshman year but he is a loss for sure.
Selman Bridges (FR-CB) - No stats for the year. I guess he could have been someone to build on. He was a 4 star out of High School. Kani Walker from Oklahoma hopefully will be an upgrade.
Ja'Qinden Jackson (R-SR, RB) - retiring. 149 attempts, 790 yards, 15 TDs. Guess he is out of eligibility. Regardless, he was not the future.
Kaden Henley (R-SO, LB) - No stats in his two years.
Tevis Metcalf (FR, S) - No stats on the year. 3 star coming out of school.
Dylan Hasz (SO, S) - No stats for his two years. He wasn't ever going to be a quality player for the team.
Alex Sanford (SO, LB) - No stats for his two years.
Carson Dean (R-FR, LB) - Didn't see any action this year outside the first and last game. Was a 4 star so maybe he would have been worth keeping.
Nico Davilier (JR, DE) - 23 Tackles/8 Solo/15 assisted/1 sack. Not much production in his 3 years. But he was a body. Michigan State DE Ken Talley should be at least an equal replacement.
Joshua Braun (OG) - Played 3 years at Florida, 2 at Arkansas, and will finish at Kentucky. Not sure its Pittman's fault he didn't want to keep a job hoping senior. Replacing with a Freshman transfer, JacQawn McRoy. Might be a net positive for the Hogs.
Luke Hasz (TE) - 26 catches for 324 yards and 4 TDs. Seems to be injured a lot though he played in most games. Replaced by Jaden Platt. The trade is a net zero impact and most likely benefits Arkansas.
Patrick Kutas (JR, OL) - Didn't play but a big loss. If the stories are to be believed, he lied. So I don't fault Pittman for not negotiating with him. Oh, and fuck Kutas.
Isaiah Sategna (R-SO, WR) - 37 catches for 491 yards and 1 TD. This one hurts only because we need receivers. Surly we can replace that production though.
Malachi Singleton (R-FR, QB) - I don't know what to say here. I guess this one hurts but if Green is your guy then I don't know how it could be Pittman's fault that he is choosing to leave. The guy is going to get paid so sticking around another year doesn't help him. Plus, we have two good QB options coming in. It will be critical that we develop these guys. With that said, QB is the least of my worries with Petrino on staff.
Amaury Wiggins (R-SO, OC) - No real production in his two years.
Jaedon Wilson (R-JR, WR) - No production in his three years. Shouldn't be hard to replace.
Tyrus Washington (TE) - dismissed from team
Var'Keyes Gumms (TE) - dismissed from team
Edit: I think I got all the portalers or quitters as we used to call them.
Dubinion?
Armstrong and Teslaa were much better this year than last. On defense, Metcalf, Spence, Ball, Gregory and Jackson were better this year than last.
I don't think you are gonna see many multi-year development of players at places like Arkansas. Kids that are 3-4 Star are better off going to a smaller school and play immediately ( if they were smart), then transfer up. Kids that aren't
playing will transfer out quicker than before.
Saw where Singleton visited App St. Not sure if he will get any high major looks.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 18, 2024, 12:13 PMSaw where Singleton visited App St. Not sure if he will get any high major looks.
I would take Singleton just to be able to look at and have his mom around the program.
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 18, 2024, 12:23 PMI would take Singleton just to be able to look at and have his mom around the program.
I'd be promising her that I'd treat him as if he were my stepson.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 18, 2024, 12:06 PMDubinion?
I guess Biddy hasn't updated his list. Or, I missed it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 18, 2024, 12:13 PMSaw where Singleton visited App St. Not sure if he will get any high major looks.
and did sategna commit anywhere? i can't find that he has taken any visits.
especially if I'm a QB in this era I'd be looking to get my stats up so I can get a fat deal with an SEC school so it makes sense for a guy like Singleton to go somewhere and start.
One could also make an argument that RB is a position where guys should really try to get paid as well as possible because of the wear and tear on their body. A kid like Russell we would have run the dog out of him next season and likely wanted him to take a hometown discount. He said fuck that. Nice thing about football is somebody else will work for that.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 18, 2024, 12:46 PMand did sategna commit anywhere? i can't find that he has taken any visits.
Haven't seen any either. Wonder if he has the option to come back.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 18, 2024, 01:14 PMHaven't seen any either. Wonder if he has the option to come back.
I saw that he was visiting Iowa.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 18, 2024, 01:36 PMI saw that he was visiting Iowa.
Ooof. Not an ideal place for a WR.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 18, 2024, 12:46 PMand did sategna commit anywhere? i can't find that he has taken any visits.
There's no need for visits if MissisSIPpi University is involved.
I'm not sure why anyone is visiting. Just text them the amount.
Hearing Crutchfield and maybe Dendy are on their way back from Mizzou.
Quote from: HughJasole on Dec 18, 2024, 02:04 PMHearing Crutchfield and maybe Dendy are on their way back from Mizzou.
Would take both in a heartbeat.
Crutchfield would be WR1 here next year.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 18, 2024, 02:53 PMWould take both in a heartbeat.
Crutchfield would be WR1 here next year.
Best news I've seen.
Sounds like he's stretching the truth a bit
https://x.com/thehawgtalk/status/1869415521952882842?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 18, 2024, 12:46 PMand did sategna commit anywhere? i can't find that he has taken any visits.
Heard he'll end up at OU.
Wait one fucking minute. Someone can put limitations on when a player can transfer, in the portal?
I just read a comment about the portal opening and closing. So a player can't transfer and get money at another school on December 31st? January 12th? Why not?
What entity is doing that? The NCAA?
If an entity can limit the time period of the portal, they could put other limitations on it. How often you can access it. Whether You are eligible to enter it at all. Whether you can transfer to schools within your conference. Whether you need a hardship.
Where are all those rules?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 18, 2024, 06:00 PMWait one fucking minute. Someone can put limitations on when a player can transfer, in the portal?
I just read a comment about the portal opening and closing. So a player can't transfer and get money at another school on December 31st? January 12th? Why not?
What entity is doing that? The NCAA?
If an entity can limit the time period of the portal, they could put other limitations on it. How often you can access it. Whether You are eligible to enter it at all. Whether you can transfer to schools within your conference. Whether you need a hardship.
Where are all those rules?
THEY WANTED THIS
NOW the "WHO IS THEY" is the question...my guess is it's the TV execs constantly looking for ways to fill dead air convinced$$$ the college presidents to vote for college free agency and do whatever it takes to make it happen. They have endless streams of content with all this shit now...it's like Christmas if you are one of these guys that beats off to recruiting news. AND WHO GETS TO FUND IT? OH LETS MAKE Scooter sitting in his mom's basement fork over money...he's an idiot.
The Can of worms opens further and now we have Big Wigs and Fat Cats looking to BUY into a controlling interest of a college team.
My dumb ass continues to think this isn't sustainable but then you get 2nd string linebackers getting north of a half a million to go compete for a role somewhere else with virtually no stipulations and will be an unrestricted free agent again next season. No performance clause, no academic clause other than having a pulse and "showing up"...zippo.
And how many of those 17 to 23 year old kids earning more money than they know what to do with will be worth a damn by the time they hit 30? Peaking too early with life changing money can really fuck up a lot of these kids. Also the sharks gotta be swarming getting these kids to invest in this and that...entire family members with their hands out. I mean that's a lot of pressure to put on a emotionally immature kid.
Also it's happening at the high school level. This is crazy shit.
Insanity
https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1869492298930954450?t=htC-PhnAoBB6NBKuC_Tggg&s=19 (https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1869492298930954450?t=htC-PhnAoBB6NBKuC_Tggg&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 18, 2024, 06:27 PMhttps://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1869492298930954450?t=htC-PhnAoBB6NBKuC_Tggg&s=19 (https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1869492298930954450?t=htC-PhnAoBB6NBKuC_Tggg&s=19)
Change is coming any day now. You can bet your ass when it starts hampering Alabama, the SEC will put a stop to it.
Damn right
I was apathetic. Now I'm ready for it to all burn to the ground.
Alabama big mad cause they can't stock up and hold on to all those 5 stars.
Yep and it used to be that so few schools like Alabama could play players and get away with it...now everybody doing it.
So JUCO players eligibility doesn't start till they go to a D1 school. Not sure how I feel about this.
https://x.com/Dwilliams1515/status/1869528736162607437?t=r4GyHN1f3PWw9stNaRubbg&s=19 (https://x.com/Dwilliams1515/status/1869528736162607437?t=r4GyHN1f3PWw9stNaRubbg&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 18, 2024, 08:22 PMSo JUCO players eligibility doesn't start till they go to a D1 school. Not sure how I feel about this.
https://x.com/Dwilliams1515/status/1869528736162607437?t=r4GyHN1f3PWw9stNaRubbg&s=19 (https://x.com/Dwilliams1515/status/1869528736162607437?t=r4GyHN1f3PWw9stNaRubbg&s=19)
How does the academic side factor into this? They would still get a scholarship for four more years of school after two at juco?
I realize the academic side is already a joke, but given the current window-dressing how would it work?
So 2 years juco and 4 in college not counting redshirts. We will have 30 year olds playing CFB before long. Fucked up
Goid question. I'd assume it would pay for grad school if a player graduates? If so and you're smart, it's a way to get a free under grad and grad school education.
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1869554475326681402?
Ole Miss gets another one. Pretty fucking amazing.
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Good for Ole Miss. they have decided to take full advantage of the broken system. I hope they further break it so real change happens.
If Ole Miss wins a natty next season this system will get fixed quickly I figure. And it's entirely possible we'll have an "off-brand" school win it this season but probably not.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 18, 2024, 09:53 PMhttps://x.com/on3sports/status/1869554475326681402?
Ole Miss gets another one. Pretty fucking amazing.
I wonder if Luis Vuitton is an actual donor for Ole Miss now.
Quote from: Guardrail on Dec 18, 2024, 07:35 PMAlabama big mad cause everyone else can pay players now and it's legal.
Edited for their true feelings.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 19, 2024, 06:26 AMI wonder if Luis Vuitton is an actual donor for Ole Miss now.
Knowing that state it's probably going to come out pretty soon that they're funneling state welfare dollars into Ole Miss NIL.
Along those lines, part of the State of Louisiana's $10MM settlement with JUUL over vape products is being used for $200K+ payments to LSU football players on the dangers of vaping.
Quote from: animal on Dec 18, 2024, 06:11 PMAnd how many of those 17 to 23 year old kids earning more money than they know what to do with will be worth a damn by the time they hit 30? Peaking too early with life changing money can really fuck up a lot of these kids. Also the sharks gotta be swarming getting these kids to invest in this and that...entire family members with their hands out. I mean that's a lot of pressure to put on a emotionally immature kid.
This is what's going to be sad. A highly recruited kid out of high school is going to get millions to play in college. He won't pan out and will have blown all his money by the time his playing days are over (22-23 years old). He will be broke for the rest of his life. He will end up selling shoes like Al Bundy.
Or, players will make 6 figures in college and aren't good enough to go to the NFL. Even if they manage their money decently, they will make substantially less money after college than while they are in college. It's a completely broken system.
because these guys can make some good money while in college, it means they are bound to fail in anything after football if they make the nfl or not?
now all of a sudden we are so concerned about these young men's future? laughable. where was all this worry before nil?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 19, 2024, 09:03 AMbecause these guys can make some good money while in college, it means they are bound to fail in anything after football if they make the nfl or not?
now all of a sudden we are so concerned about these young men's future? laughable. where was all this worry before nil?
They aren't "bound to fail", but how many former NFL players are completely broke? Why make the situation worse by giving out millions with no rules around it?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 19, 2024, 07:46 AMKnowing that state it's probably going to come out pretty soon that they're funneling state welfare dollars into Ole Miss NIL.
Along those lines, part of the State of Louisiana's $10MM settlement with JUUL over vape products is being used for $200K+ payments to LSU football players on the dangers of vaping.
That's funny,sad, and sucks we are not doing the same thing.
We must've upped our ante for the GT OL. He signed after being rumored to go visit OU this weekend.
Crutchfield just entered the portal. We really need some impact DL.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Dec 19, 2024, 09:11 AMThey aren't "bound to fail", but how many former NFL players are completely broke? Why make the situation worse by giving out millions with no rules around it?
i mean we're fans. as long as taylon green learns to read coverages and wins games, does it really matter if he leaves the nfl broke or not? those that will handle their business will. those that are dumbasses won't and what does nil have to do with that?
there's plenty wrong with the current state of nil, but sliding in the "think of the kids" argument is a little disingenuous imo.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 18, 2024, 09:53 PMhttps://x.com/on3sports/status/1869554475326681402?
Ole Miss gets another one. Pretty fucking amazing.
OM always does less with more. They will start out something like 6-0 and then starts hitting the bed like always.
Now we just got the transfer centerr from UCF. Suck a dick Nichols.
and on a completely different subject, got a center from ucf.
also the ot from georgia tech committed.
Thank God our coach is a former O-Line guy. That background is paying dividends right now!! Woo Damn Pig!!
Where's the DL at?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 19, 2024, 09:50 AMand on a completely different subject, got a center from ucf.
also the ot from georgia tech committed.
Corey Robinson is decent, started a bunch, the OL did well. I believe he got a degree so it is all good.
and the crutchfield to the portal rumor might actually have some legs.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 19, 2024, 10:03 AMWhere's the DL at?
yep, i wonder what's up with tj lindsey?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 19, 2024, 10:03 AMWhere's the DL at?
Georgia DL is visiting soon. Can't remember his name.
Maybe some aspiring NFL guys will start to see benefits in a year under Bobby.
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1869791063105581269
biddy says he's coming to arkansas as soon as his portal paperwork is done.
Seems like we need two tailbacks.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 19, 2024, 09:03 AMbecause these guys can make some good money while in college, it means they are bound to fail in anything after football if they make the nfl or not?
now all of a sudden we are so concerned about these young men's future? laughable. where was all this worry before nil?
History proves this over and over that when given money kids and young adults turn into douche bags
That's not to say others won't do it right
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 19, 2024, 12:23 PMSeems like we need two tailbacks.
and maybe another te and some more guys on defense.
Offense at least will be fine
https://x.com/SharpeRaylen/status/1869805973050929527
I want Crutchfield and the Charlotte WR.
Catalon back in the portal!
Figure he follows Odom, but would love to see him come finish it up here.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 19, 2024, 12:46 PMCatalon back in the portal!
Figure he follows Odom, but would love to see him come finish it up here.
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1869815082219384934
This shit has to stop. They really need to put a limit on transfers.
weren't (or are) players allowed to transfer if their coach did?
Does Catalon want to play with his kid?
I'd take Catalon back in a heartbeat.
A really nice, but really small and injury prone safety who will probably not get more than a cup of coffee in the NFL because of his size and fragility is pretty much Exhibit "A" as an example of one of these kids who will make more as a college football player than they ever will again in their lives.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 19, 2024, 02:02 PMI'd take Catalon back in a heartbeat.
Me too. Surely we can pay him more than Purdue.
Saw where we picked up the tackle from Georgia tech and also picked up a center from somebody
Quote from: animal on Dec 19, 2024, 03:03 PMSaw where we picked up the tackle from Georgia tech and also picked up a center from somebody
Did you see those earlier in this thread?
Our woopiggers are on it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 19, 2024, 03:20 PMDid you see those earlier in this thread?
Our woopiggers are on it.
maybe that's where I saw it. These portal players come at you so fast
I'm not sure we've upgraded at OL but it's probably a wash overall. If you believe PFF, the tackle from GT is very good at pass blocking but terrible at run blocking. One of the worst run blocking starters supposedly, he graded like a 54 if what I heard is correct info.
We're so far from being relevant none of it matters lol
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 19, 2024, 09:42 AMi mean we're fans. as long as taylon green learns to read coverages and wins games, does it really matter if he leaves the nfl broke or not? those that will handle their business will. those that are dumbasses won't and what does nil have to do with that?
there's plenty wrong with the current state of nil, but sliding in the "think of the kids" argument is a little disingenuous imo.
The only thing the NIL has to do with it is you are giving substantial amounts of money to younger, less mature people. I know it would never fly, but I think the schools should have someone that manages that money (and councils them) for those players until they leave the university.
This whole thing is a farce, which I knew it would become when it was announced. Shuffling the rosters each year is really in the best interest of anyone? Seriously? Why even have these young men attend class at this point?
I'm all for players with actual NFL talent getting paid but backups need to be making bank, too? Either get control of NIL/Transfer or create an actual minor league system.
Nevermind. Burn the whole thing down.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Dec 19, 2024, 03:59 PMThe only thing the NIL has to do with it is you are giving substantial amounts of money to younger, less mature people. I know it would never fly, but I think the schools should have someone that manages that money (and councils them) for those players until they leave the university.
These are grown men. Everyone else at school has to manage their money. Schools can provide money advisors but try hey have zero business managing their money. If a kid s smart with their money great. If another chooses to live like Diddy and spends it all on pussy, cars, and their entourage that's their problem.
Quote from: bogeyfree on Dec 19, 2024, 03:49 PMI'm not sure we've upgraded at OL but it's probably a wash overall. If you believe PFF, the tackle from GT is very good at pass blocking but terrible at run blocking. One of the worst run blocking starters supposedly, he graded like a 54 if what I heard is correct info.
We're so far from being relevant none of it matters lol
Considering that we have only one scholarship RB we may be planning on throwing every down.
I would've made MC Hammmer look like Warren Buffett if you gave me a couple million at 19 years old.
Singleton to Purdue. Wish the kid (and family) well.
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1869880375708910044?t=U2qc0vAP6tLwFsWFZwOn7A&s=19 (https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1869880375708910044?t=U2qc0vAP6tLwFsWFZwOn7A&s=19)
You can do this
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 19, 2024, 05:02 PMspends it all on pussy, cars, and their entourage that's their problem.
without going all the way to this
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 19, 2024, 05:02 PMIf another chooses to live like Diddy
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Dec 19, 2024, 03:59 PMThe only thing the NIL has to do with it is you are giving substantial amounts of money to younger, less mature people. I know it would never fly, but I think the schools should have someone that manages that money (and councils them) for those players until they leave the university.
My understanding is that is being done in some places, even Arkansas. Calipari is supposedly pushing it to his players and has professional advisors talking to them.
Should be a mandatory class for all students.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 19, 2024, 06:36 PMShould be a mandatory class for all students.
We need to create "football" or whatever other sport majors. Have performance (NFL) track / support track (coaching / agents / staff etc). Classes on financial management / branding / contracts / how to spot an undercover cop posing as a hooker etc. go all in on getting folks to the next level on top of a fat bag
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 19, 2024, 05:36 PMSingleton to Purdue. Wish the kid (and family) well.
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1869880375708910044?t=U2qc0vAP6tLwFsWFZwOn7A&s=19 (https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1869880375708910044?t=U2qc0vAP6tLwFsWFZwOn7A&s=19)
I'm no Nostradamus...but I can see into the next bowl season.
The Backs of the Razor...even though weak and depleted of strength shall meet on the field of battle with the ones who make the boilers on the field of Music City. The swine shall fight...but in the end the one who was cast out named Singleton shall prevail with much vengeance. The swine will falter...and then the Boss of the Pitt shall go into the realm of the sloth in the Lake which is Hamilton.
Quote from: Zoso on Dec 19, 2024, 07:31 PMI'm no Nostradamus...but I can see into the next bowl season.
The Backs of the Razor...even though weak and depleted of strength shall meet on the field of battle with the ones who make the boilers on the field of Music City. The swine shall fight...but in the end the one who was cast out named Singleton shall prevail with much vengeance. The swine will falter...and then the Boss of the Pitt shall go into the realm of the sloth in the Lake which is Hamilton.
Hogelujah.
sategna to ou.
should get a chance as their receivers were terrible this season. he's the 3rd one they have signed out of the portal.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 19, 2024, 06:22 PMMy understanding is that is being done in some places, even Arkansas. Calipari is supposedly pushing it to his players and has professional advisors talking to them.
I hope that's the case everywhere. My kids are more mature than most their age, but we still put in our trust that, if something happens to both of us in the next several years, they don't have unfettered access to the money until they turn 30.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Dec 20, 2024, 08:54 AMwe still put in our trust that, if something happens to both of us in the next several years, they don't have unfettered access to the money until they turn 30.
Same; but my kids are all past thirty now and I don't like the way they've been eyeing me lately.
The other night I was watching the UNLV bowl game and Dan Mullen mentioned something I haven't seen discussed. Apparently, there are quite a few players in the portal who don't give a rat's ass about playing time and are only in it for the money. They may have had a certain amount of success at their previous school, but they know they are not pro prospects and they don't have the competitive desire to develop and seriously challenge for playing time. Mullen mentioned it's just one more thing that coaches have to try and evaluate, when recruiting a portal player.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Dec 20, 2024, 11:37 AMThe other night I was watching the UNLV bowl game and Dan Mullen mentioned something I haven't seen discussed. Apparently, there are quite a few players in the portal who don't give a rat's ass about playing time and are only in it for the money. They may have had a certain amount of success at their previous school, but they know they are not pro prospects and they don't have the competitive desire to develop and seriously challenge for playing time. Mullen mentioned it's just one more thing that coaches have to try and evaluate, when recruiting a portal player.
I mean some of these kids will NEVER have the opportunity to make as much as they do now and for the rest, they are apt to be 50 years old before they do. So, I don't blame some of them for recognizing that. But, it is just another thing to evaluate.
never thought of that but it makes sense
It could be a lot funnier with a rewrite but at least it's something.
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Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Dec 20, 2024, 11:37 AMThe other night I was watching the UNLV bowl game and Dan Mullen mentioned something I haven't seen discussed. Apparently, there are quite a few players in the portal who don't give a rat's ass about playing time and are only in it for the money. They may have had a certain amount of success at their previous school, but they know they are not pro prospects and they don't have the competitive desire to develop and seriously challenge for playing time. Mullen mentioned it's just one more thing that coaches have to try and evaluate, when recruiting a portal player.
Ty'Kiester Crawford could have stayed and probably played in the bowl game but didn't. Is there a market for a career backup OL? I doubt it maybe at a lower level but there won't be much of a bag... unless it has Arby's on it
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 20, 2024, 11:41 AMIt could be a lot funnier with a rewrite but at least it's something.
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He forgot to start out with, "First and foremost,".
I guess it's a good thing Ole Miss has stocked up. Look at this line.
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Looks like they're getting an out of shape OL and 2 kickers.
We got a DT from Abilene Christian. David Oke.
https://x.com/hogfanpage/status/1870252817622929635?s=46&t=VKUX0KEsVDEwvBGk5nonyA
All right, so I saw a video clip from Dorkowitz. Mizzou.
He said the business model now is 6-month teams with complete free agency at the end of those 6 months. Coaches have to be used to it, because this is the world now, and this is how you build teams. It's not exactly clean 6 month periods, but like this.
At the end of a season, the portal opens, and you build a completely new team with free agents from your school and other schools.
You have that team through spring practice, then you rebuild again during the new portal period.
After that one, you have your team for the fall. Only to wash, rinse, repeat again in December.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 20, 2024, 05:51 PMAll right, so I saw a video clip from Dorkowitz. Mizzou.
He said the business model now is 6-month teams with complete free agency at the end of those 6 months. Coaches have to be used to it, because this is the world now, and this is how you build teams. It's not exactly clean 6 month periods, but like this.
At the end of a season, the portal opens, and you build a completely new team with free agents from your school and other schools.
You have that team through spring practice, then you rebuild again during the new portal period.
After that one, you have your team for the fall. Only to wash, rinse, repeat again in December.
Yeah, screw that. I figure there will be more "Saban's" to retire when they get tired of that crap. Hopefully, one will be Pittman.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 20, 2024, 05:39 PMWe got a DT from Abilene Christian. David Oke.
visited uscw, texas tech, rutgers, and was supposed to visit north carolina this weekend.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 20, 2024, 11:41 AMIt could be a lot funnier with a rewrite but at least it's something.
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Kannel is annoying and sounds like a 15 year who just sucked helium.
We picked up a Second Team CUSA All-Conference RB from New Mexico State. Michael Washington Jr. 6'2", 215 lbs. This season had 725 yards on 157 carries for a 4.6 ypc average and 8 td's.
Per ESPN he hasn't fumbled in college. Looks like a good receiver out of the backfield too.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 21, 2024, 09:09 AMWe picked up a Second Team CUSA All-Conference RB from New Mexico State. Michael Washington Jr. 6'2", 215 lbs. This season had 725 yards on 157 carries for a 4.6 ypc average and 8 td's.
Per ESPN he hasn't fumbled in college. Looks like a good receiver out of the backfield too.
2nd team on the CUSA team or our team?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 21, 2024, 09:09 AMWe picked up a Second Team CUSA All-Conference RB from New Mexico State. Michael Washington Jr. 6'2", 215 lbs. This season had 725 yards on 157 carries for a 4.6 ypc average and 8 td's.
Per ESPN he hasn't fumbled in college. Looks like a good receiver out of the backfield too.
He's from New York. Welcome to the country!
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 21, 2024, 09:09 AMWe picked up a Second Team CUSA All-Conference RB from New Mexico State. Michael Washington Jr. 6'2", 215 lbs. This season had 725 yards on 157 carries for a 4.6 ypc average and 8 td's.
Per ESPN he hasn't fumbled in college. Looks like a good receiver out of the backfield too.
Over/Under on how many games he plays with us before he fumbles? I say his 1st SEC game.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 20, 2024, 05:51 PMAll right, so I saw a video clip from Dorkowitz. Mizzou.
He said the business model now is 6-month teams with complete free agency at the end of those 6 months. Coaches have to be used to it, because this is the world now, and this is how you build teams. It's not exactly clean 6 month periods, but like this.
At the end of a season, the portal opens, and you build a completely new team with free agents from your school and other schools.
You have that team through spring practice, then you rebuild again during the new portal period.
After that one, you have your team for the fall. Only to wash, rinse, repeat again in December.
So, following that model you need a general manager and his staff to put a team together and a coach who is adaptable and detail oriented to get the most out of them for that six months or so.
Missed on the Georgia DL.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 21, 2024, 09:09 AMWe picked up a Second Team CUSA All-Conference RB from New Mexico State. Michael Washington Jr. 6'2", 215 lbs. This season had 725 yards on 157 carries for a 4.6 ypc average and 8 td's.
Per ESPN he hasn't fumbled in college. Looks like a good receiver out of the backfield too.
But how many more years of eligibility does he have left I mean ole miss has got to know this sort of information
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Did Pittman run this by his GM Lane kiffin to see if this is the kind of talent that we're looking for
With this junior college ruling, why would a lesser skilled player ever go to a mid major or lower level college. Go to a junior college for as long as it takes. Play football, lift weights, mature your body, and then hit the four year sweepstakes at a major conference school and try to get maximum NIL every year. You're going to have 27 year old college players who aren't good enough for the NFL chasing NIL money.
If junior college doesn't count toward eligibility, why should anything else. You should be able to play college football as long as you can find a college that will enroll you. Shit, guys playing Canadian football should be able to come back and play in the SEC. Why play in Canada for $75k a year when you can make $500k as an SEC player without even being any good?
you can only play for two years at juco.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 21, 2024, 10:40 AMyou can only play for two years at juco.
Why? Who says? A judge just ruled JUCO doesn't count towards your four years eligibility for college. So why is it limited to two years? If you go to a four year school and then go back to JUCO, does the clock stop?
juco's are two year schools. and they aren't governed by the ncaa.
also the pavia deal is a temporary injunction, not a ruling.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 21, 2024, 11:04 AMjuco's are two year schools. and they aren't governed by the ncaa.
also the pavia deal is a temporary injunction, not a ruling.
What's the reasoning?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 21, 2024, 11:04 AMjuco's are two year schools. and they aren't governed by the ncaa.
also the pavia deal is a temporary injunction, not a ruling.
A temporary injunction is a ruling. It will stay in effect until the court rules otherwise.
And the point being, four year colleges are four or five year schools. But you can go to them as long as you want. Same with a junior college.
JUCOs just become 2 year prep schools until the courts say otherwise. When was the last time the ncaa won a court case?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 21, 2024, 09:39 AMSo, following that model you need a general manager and his staff to put a team together and a coach who is adaptable and detail oriented to get the most out of them for that six months or so.
And we have neither of those things?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 21, 2024, 11:26 AMAnd we have neither of those things?
We wouldn't want to be accused of being serious about football or anything like that.
https://x.com/farrellportal/status/1870520982663733577?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/arkansasrivals/status/1870521335769977086?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
We picked up a DB...from Eastern Michigan. If we're a AAA farm club, we're raiding AA.
https://x.com/razorbackfb/status/1870496811309547707?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
He's originally from Georgia so maybe some promise there.
Need another RB, close on two of the big receivers, another TE, and 2 more DL.
I kind of like the portal era in some respects. You can reload every year. We just need a coach.
Are we reloading?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 21, 2024, 11:50 AMI kind of like the portal era in some respects. You can reload every year. We just need a coach.
It's like fantasy football. It's only interesting if you wager on it.
DE
https://x.com/TransferPortal_/status/1870520850778308848?t=ZFichteMHOQj6tE-QVaOzw&s=19 (https://x.com/TransferPortal_/status/1870520850778308848?t=ZFichteMHOQj6tE-QVaOzw&s=19)
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 21, 2024, 12:28 PMAre we reloading?
We shot blanks last year so maybe we are loading.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 21, 2024, 12:35 PMWe shot blanks last year so maybe we are loading.
:thumb_up:
I'll admit, it does feel like we are adding some talent that maybe we were missing last season.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 21, 2024, 12:39 PM:thumb_up:
I'll admit, it does feel like we are adding some talent that maybe we were missing last season.
If nothing else it is a reason to half assed pay attention to a few games and see.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 21, 2024, 10:35 AMWith this junior college ruling, why would a lesser skilled player ever go to a mid major or lower level college. Go to a junior college for as long as it takes. Play football, lift weights, mature your body, and then hit the four year sweepstakes at a major conference school and try to get maximum NIL every year. You're going to have 27 year old college players who aren't good enough for the NFL chasing NIL money.
If junior college doesn't count toward eligibility, why should anything else. You should be able to play college football as long as you can find a college that will enroll you. Shit, guys playing Canadian football should be able to come back and play in the SEC. Why play in Canada for $75k a year when you can make $500k as an SEC player without even being any good?
While you are at it, we have a former MLB pro on our team nearing 30.
Long as NIL and revenue sharing beats the 40 hour week grind, I think we'll continue to see more and more players beyond the typical college ages.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 21, 2024, 12:28 PMAre we reloading?
Putting that cork back in the barrel.
PREloading?
WTF? Guess I've got to love him again.
https://x.com/wholehogsports/status/1870549010462958039
I guess he ain't afraid of no Mike Washington.
Guess that Landshart check bounced
Does that mean he's on the bus to Memphis?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 21, 2024, 01:21 PMWTF? Guess I've got to love him again.
https://x.com/wholehogsports/status/1870549010462958039
Guess Ole Miss didn't offer enough.
I'd cut his pay 50% before taking him back.
In, out, in, out...I think he is jacking us off..or around or something.
Word is his dad wanted $500k. We offered $300k. He bailed and no one would give him that much. So, now he is back.
So silly because if I were coach, if I had any other options half as good, I'd keep his carries down knowing that anything good he did would simply be used to drive up his value next year.
Why pay him $300k? Cut it down $50-100k and see what daddy says. Fuck right off.
I'd tell him he gets free room and board in the dorms, and that's it. Fuck that drama.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 21, 2024, 01:41 PMWhy pay him $300k? Cut it down $50-100k and see what daddy says. Fuck right off.
All of this.
Not a fan of this type BS.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 21, 2024, 01:26 PMIn, out, in, out...I think he is jacking us off..or around or something.
Middle out
he's just going to show out in 2-3 games then go out "injured". He'll be talking to agents all season trying to get a bigger bag. We are cucks
After Washington signed I think I would have passed on him coming back to the team.
I have no idea what the pay scale is for players, but shocked someone would pay $300k for him.
Agreed.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 21, 2024, 02:01 PMAfter Washington signed I think I would have passed on him coming back to the team.
I'd still pass. fuck him.
"LSU has signed 4 of the top 12 players in the transfer portal." Per the crawl.
Better than Ole Miss I guess?
And Kelly was complaining about NIL a couple weeks ago ...
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 21, 2024, 02:55 PMAnd Kelly was complaining about NIL a couple weeks ago ...
Difference being that he's now had a chance to snuggle up beside
them it and soak it all in.
https://x.com/TVTylerCass/status/1870550452657324422
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 21, 2024, 03:17 PMhttps://x.com/TVTylerCass/status/1870550452657324422
BLS is desperate and Russell probably made bank.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 21, 2024, 04:16 PMBLS is desperate and Russell probably made bank.
Is this a new acronym?
Big Loser Sam?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 21, 2024, 04:19 PMIs this a new acronym?
Big Loser Sam?
Blue Light Special
Big Loser Sam
I'll allow it.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 21, 2024, 04:16 PMBLS is desperate and Russell probably made bank.
Wonder if he is going to play in the bowl game? If he was smart, he would, just to appease the fans.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 21, 2024, 06:07 PMWonder if he is going to play in the bowl game? If he was smart, he would, just to appease the fans.
Yes, he is playing. He needs film for the April portal.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 21, 2024, 06:11 PMYes, he is playing. He needs film for the April portal.
You're so right.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 21, 2024, 03:17 PMhttps://xcom/TVTylerCass/status/1870550452657324422
That's pretty funny. :)
Going back to HS, he's broken up with us about 10 times. It's time to break it off with the crazy bitch.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 21, 2024, 04:21 PMBlue Light Special
Big Loser Sam
I'll allow it.
Show-Me needs a win today. 😄
https://x.com/BraylenRussell/status/1870672030028255716?t=8WpZhcOwdbqVDd_xi3B1sQ&s=19 (https://x.com/BraylenRussell/status/1870672030028255716?t=8WpZhcOwdbqVDd_xi3B1sQ&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 21, 2024, 09:37 PMhttps://x.com/BraylenRussell/status/1870672030028255716?t=8WpZhcOwdbqVDd_xi3B1sQ&s=19 (https://x.com/BraylenRussell/status/1870672030028255716?t=8WpZhcOwdbqVDd_xi3B1sQ&s=19)
No idea what's happening in his life, but after the Tennessee game it seemed like he went into some kind of "I ain't playing til I get paid" mode.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 21, 2024, 09:37 PMhttps://x.com/BraylenRussell/status/1870672030028255716?t=8WpZhcOwdbqVDd_xi3B1sQ&s=19 (https://x.com/BraylenRussell/status/1870672030028255716?t=8WpZhcOwdbqVDd_xi3B1sQ&s=19)
In other words, thanks for the pay raise, coach.
After seeing that tweet, I'd cut his ass after the bowl game.
I might be the only one, but I ain't even mad at the kid.
Quote from: TC on Dec 21, 2024, 11:44 PMI might be the only one, but I ain't even mad at the kid.
You may not be the only one. I don't know. But I am mad at him. I'll bet he doesn't see the field next year, after playing us for more money repeatedly.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 21, 2024, 11:48 PMI'll bet he doesn't see the field next year, after playing us for more money repeatedly.
Which would be a monumentally stupid decision, so you're probably right.
So coach Pittman paid a kid to love him. Got it
Well, why not? I mean Coach Pitt said he would practically do the job for free. He talked about how much he loved it here. He said lots of stuff. Then as soon as he had a little success, he dumped his agent who got him the job, hired Jimmy Sexton and said "Pay me my money."
Why be mad at a kid for doing the same thing? And really, Sam made enough in one season to set him up for life, but this kid has to get his while the getting is good.
Quote from: TC on Dec 21, 2024, 11:44 PMI might be the only one, but I ain't even mad at the kid.
Same here. It's the game.
Quote from: TC on Dec 21, 2024, 11:44 PMI might be the only one, but I ain't even mad at the kid.
I feel sorry for him.
It seems to me that the father's interest in maximizing the profit he can make off the fruit of his loins is the problem. What 18 year old kid doesn't want (consciously or otherwise) to earn their father's love and, in this case,
earn appears to apply literally.
I doubt he stays at Arkansas throughout his eligibility; pathological father-son relationships are difficult to resolve.
Quote from: FNG on Dec 22, 2024, 11:31 AMI feel sorry for him.
It seems to me that the father's interest in maximizing the profit he can make off the fruit of his loins is the problem. What 18 year old kid doesn't want (consciously or otherwise) to earn their father's love and, in this case, earn appears to apply literally.
I doubt he stays at Arkansas throughout his eligibility; pathological father-son relationships are difficult to resolve.
No doubt this kid's father is fucking with his brain and his career. Another reason for NIL and portal need structure. Kids should have to have legit agents and schools and ncaa should require instruction in the rules and in managing money. You think daddy gonna pay those taxes?
When the great Tyron Smith was drafted by the Cowboys, he was a great ball player but coaches and players noticed he was troubled. It got to Jerry and he put his security team in it as he was concerned a gang had their hooks into him. The surprise was it was his parents. They were forcing Tyron to sign his games checks to them and gave him like $200 a week to live on.
Jerry brought him in and team therapists, captains, the OLine, Jerry and staff began an intervention process. Cowboys legal initiated all kinds of legal shit, threatened both with Texas prison, and they left the state and gave Tyron back what money they could retrieve.
Shameful
People point out how bad it is when Daddies run off and it usually is, but sometimes it is for the better.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 21, 2024, 11:48 PMYou may not be the only one. I don't know. But I am mad at him. I'll bet he doesn't see the field next year, after playing us for more money repeatedly.
Whatever the amount is, it may be a good thing so that he's not running the ball down our throats for a team in blue and red.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 21, 2024, 11:33 PMAfter seeing that tweet, I'd cut his ass after the bowl game.
:this_is_woopig:
It sounds more like that he thought he would get more than he was getting from Arkansas and found out there isn't a big market for rbs that rushed for 300 yards and 2 tds. He will likely go back in the portal next season.
I guess the market for injured and overrated OLs and TEs is better.
got an offensive lineman from ole miss. looks like he redshirted this season.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 23, 2024, 12:32 PMgot an offensive lineman from ole miss. looks like he redshirted this season.
Well this will be an excellent development year for him (probably)
Charlotte WR should be on board soon. 24 YPC.
This shouldn't take long
https://x.com/OtisKirk23/status/1871263837917458876?t=rE3WFt21O-Nr2Mooj4l4sA&s=19 (https://x.com/OtisKirk23/status/1871263837917458876?t=rE3WFt21O-Nr2Mooj4l4sA&s=19)
I mean, he already announced he is transferring. Is there much of a story to break on this?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 23, 2024, 03:43 PMI mean, he already announced he is transferring. Is there much of a story to break on this?
I think the story is about his haircut. I can't wait.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 23, 2024, 03:43 PMI mean, he already announced he is transferring. Is there much of a story to break on this?
But if you are a real fan you'll wait until after Grit gets his coon pelt cut.
Quote from: animal on Dec 23, 2024, 01:21 PMWell this will be an excellent development year for him (probably)
And then Kiffin will take him back.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 23, 2024, 02:51 PMThis shouldn't take long
https://x.com/OtisKirk23/status/1871263837917458876?t=rE3WFt21O-Nr2Mooj4l4sA&s=19 (https://x.com/OtisKirk23/status/1871263837917458876?t=rE3WFt21O-Nr2Mooj4l4sA&s=19)
That's the best post in this thread so far.
Otis has entered the chat...
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 23, 2024, 09:58 PMThat's the best post in this thread so far.
Otis has entered the chat...
I'm guessing this is, at most, a twice a year occurrence.
Do any of you old school guys have the transcript of the Otis chat?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 23, 2024, 02:19 PMCharlotte WR should be on board soon. 24 YPC.
signed today.
24.8 ypc, 9 touchdowns.
Good get
I hope we spend more money on the o and d line than we do any other position groups.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 24, 2024, 09:57 AMI hope we spend more money on the o and d line than we do any other position groups.
In Pittman's press conference he used the word focus when talking about recruiting OL/DL thru the portal. I have used my powers of deduction to take that to mean they want to put a priority $$$ on the interior. I'm fine with that. The issue is this coach hasn't exactly had great evaluations on lineman in like 15 years.
Quote from: animal on Dec 24, 2024, 11:04 AMIn Pittman's press conference he used the word focus when talking about recruiting OL/DL thru the portal. I have used my powers of deduction to take that to mean they want to put a priority $$$ on the interior. I'm fine with that. The issue is this coach hasn't exactly had great evaluations on lineman in like 15 years.
It has been crazy how bad we have been at evaluating o linemen
Quote from: BASS on Dec 24, 2024, 11:21 AMIt has been crazy how bad we have been at evaluating o linemen
Coincidentally that's the one area of the team where Pittman's say alone determines who we sign.
I never fathomed being as bad as we've been on the interior when Pittman was hired. He knows you have to be damn good up front in this league. That has been his biggest failure
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 24, 2024, 12:14 PMI never fathomed being as bad as we've been on the interior when Pittman was hired. He knows you have to be damn good up front in this league. That has been his biggest failure
We seem to be focusing on the OL pretty hard this portal season. Like what we've added so far.
I think keeping Cody Kennedy for as long as we did set the OL development back significantly.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 24, 2024, 12:22 PMWe seem to be focusing on the OL pretty hard this portal season. Like what we've added so far.
I think keeping Cody Kennedy for as long as we did set the OL development back significantly.
We talked a lot about TOs. Having poor Oline play is part of our TO issues as well. A lot gets solved if you can block well up front.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 24, 2024, 12:26 PMWe talked a lot about TOs. Having poor Oline play is part of our TO issues as well. A lot gets solved if you can block well up front.
Especially the fumbles and a couple of the interceptions by Green.
It seemed like most of the RB fumbles were due to carelessness with the ball.
It is baffling. Carmona was supposed to be a huge steal last portal season. I thought he was okay but certainly not great. Blackstock was a bust. I think OL is still the position you have to recruit well from HS, develop them, and then spend whatever you can to keep them. Throwing a bunch of new guys together on the OL every 6 months is a recipe for disaster.
It sounds crazy to say it but Chad's evaluations of OL recruits were better than Pittman's. Stromberg and Limmer were light years better than what we've had since. As much as I've soured on Pittman I have a hard time believing that he suddenly can't evaluate the position. And it can't all be blamed on NIL. The OL has been bad ever since Chad's recruits left.
rumor is crutchfield is committing today.
Very oversimplified but I'd spend on 4 & 5 star linemen who will make 3 star running backs look all world. Of course we'd have to actually develop them.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 24, 2024, 12:32 PMIt is baffling. Carmona was supposed to be a huge steal last portal season. I thought he was okay but certainly not great. Blackstock was a bust. I think OL is still the position you have to recruit well from HS, develop them, and then spend whatever you can to keep them. Throwing a bunch of new guys together on the OL every 6 months is a recipe for disaster.
It sounds crazy to say it but Chad's evaluations of OL recruits were better than Pittman's. Stromberg and Limmer were light years better than what we've had since. As much as I've soured on Pittman I have a hard time believing that he suddenly can't evaluate the position. And it can't all be blamed on NIL. The OL has been bad ever since Chad's recruits left.
The OL only works if you have at least two, preferably 3, players in a row that are good. They can work as a unit. Having one great lineman surrounded by shitty linemen just doesn't work.
Pittman literally every end of the season and at the beginning of every season and sometimes between seasons says we just don't have the numbers on lineman. I know what he means, but I don't know what that number is and I assume he's referring to XYZ number of scholarship SEC caliber lineman. We play maybe 7 guys on a good year with a few others that basically only play on special teams. So lets say 10 guys. I think he really means he'd like a legit 3 deep of development path and not fat pasty boys from Pea Ridge. I agree we need to really commit to development and retention and that will come at a price. Schools like Texas committed early on if the numbers were right over a 100k to EACH LINEMAN on the depth chart back when that was some obscene (not bbq) kind of NIL package. A few years later Texas is competing for a natty and we're walking in Memphis.
As a state, we don't produce much D1 OL talent. Maybe take a stab at some smaller guys and do it the Burls way? I kinda thought this is what we would do with the "preferred walkon" stuff. I don't know we've seen 1 of those guys hit the field.
I don't think Alabama got any of the top 10 recruits in that state this year, and they're still ranked #2 or something ridiculous in recruiting.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 24, 2024, 06:34 PMAs a state, we don't produce much D1 OL talent. Maybe take a stab at some smaller guys and do it the Burls way? I kinda thought this is what we would do with the "preferred walkon" stuff. I don't know we've seen 1 of those guys hit the field.
Agree. We can't lose guys like that Curne kid to LSU. I'd rather we overspent to sign him and sacrificed at other positions. If he pans out and develops as expected keep paying his ass whatever our broke asses can afford to keep him. That's the only way to have a good OL in the current system. Texas figured it out immediately but we will obviously never compete with their bag men.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 24, 2024, 12:26 PMWe talked a lot about TOs. Having poor Oline play is part of our TO issues as well. A lot gets solved if you can block well up front.
I had hopes with Bert and Sam that we would be a destination program for nfl o linemen, and both failed. The NFl has a problem in that college ball no longer develops league ready o linemen. It's a crapshoot like with QBs as to whether a pick can learn complex blocking schemes, pick up blitzes, and learn to play against ungodly power and speed. If we could become another Georgia it not only helps our game but our program.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 24, 2024, 06:34 PMAs a state, we don't produce much D1 OL talent. Maybe take a stab at some smaller guys and do it the Burls way? I kinda thought this is what we would do with the "preferred walkon" stuff. I don't know we've seen 1 of those guys hit the field.
You want to win you need a line of road graters, who want to be Frank Ragnow, and get into the league and make serious money. With nil and portal you go find them and buy them.
Quote from: Texzilla on Dec 24, 2024, 11:37 PMYou want to win you need a line of road graters, who want to be Frank Ragnow, and get into the league and make serious money. With nil and portal you go find them and buy them.
There is a saying that the closer a guy plays to the ball, the more important his position is.
crutchfield signs with the hogs.
And mizzou gets the other Coleman that's not named Keon, 2nd in receptions and 4th in yards in the SEC last year.
keon coleman is in the nfl. think you meant kevin coleman.
people lost their shit when crutchfield committed to missouri last year, now it's no big deal he's a hog?
I'm not going to lose my shit now over a guy with no stats yet.
Ty Washington, somehow, to Notre Dame.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 25, 2024, 04:11 PMkeon coleman is in the nfl. think you meant kevin coleman.
people lost their shit when crutchfield committed to missouri last year, now it's no big deal he's a hog?
How did he do last year? I honestly don't know.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 25, 2024, 04:11 PMkeon coleman is in the nfl. think you meant kevin coleman.
people lost their shit when crutchfield committed to missouri last year, now it's no big deal he's a hog?
Cam Coleman at Auburn is pretty special.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 25, 2024, 04:22 PMI'm not going to lose my shit now over a guy with no stats yet.
Ty Washington, somehow, to Notre Dame.
See him next fall in Fayetteville, if he somehow makes the travel squad.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 25, 2024, 05:16 PMSee him next fall in Fayetteville, if he somehow makes the travel squad.
I'm betting all the seniors will come in and offer to let Ty have their spot if Coach Devine doesn't put him on the roster for that game.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 25, 2024, 04:22 PMI'm not going to lose my shit now over a guy with no stats yet.
Ty Washington, somehow, to Notre Dame.
He was the most talented TE on the roster the past 2 seasons.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Dec 25, 2024, 05:27 PMHe was the most talented TE on the roster the past 2 seasons.
for us?
He will probably end up being a HOF tackle
Quote from: egregious on Dec 25, 2024, 06:29 PMfor us?
He will probably end up being a HOF tackle
Yes. Hasz was overrated. Looked out of shape most of the time, couldn't block for shit.
We didn't want him anyway.
Do we have moar NIL money this year than last?
Quote from: wmr on Dec 25, 2024, 07:44 PMDo we have moar NIL money this year than last?
Everybody does starting July 1st.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 25, 2024, 10:33 PMEverybody does starting July 1st.
Don't worry we'll find a way to not exploit it.
Quote from: animal on Dec 26, 2024, 08:47 AMDon't worry we'll find a way to not exploit it.
Gotta funnel that money back into paying some alum to play GM.
From the official Razorback fb page on Facebook the Crutchfield news had 166 likes and 8 comments as of a few minutes ago
That kinda tells you how engaged the fans are with this program
That and well... getting rejected the first time tends to sour the excitement when you're the second or backup pick.
I don't get excited about anyone now because of the good odds they'll be gone in a year
Quote from: animal on Dec 26, 2024, 11:59 AMI don't get excited about anyone now because of the good odds they'll be gone in a year
This is me
Quote from: BASS on Dec 26, 2024, 12:47 PMThis is me
Quote from: animal on Dec 26, 2024, 11:59 AMI don't get excited about anyone now because of the good odds they'll be gone in a year
Or if they don't like spring ball, before they ever play a down here.
so just to be clear, it's no big deal when the best high school players in the state go elsewhere, correct?
won't be any blaming the coach, whoever it may be.
To be clear, the coach is blamed for losing no matter what state the players come from.
that wasn't the question, but whatever.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 26, 2024, 01:16 PMso just to be clear, it's no big deal when the best high school players in the state go elsewhere, correct?
won't be any blaming the coach, whoever it may be.
Under the old system, things like relationships, demeanor, candor, getting them on campus all were part of the equation and are the responsibility of the coach.
Under the new system, none of that matters, it's a money problem only. We have no way of knowing who offered what, so it doesn't make sense to blame the coach.
When do we get to start trading these "student athletes"? Since they all, at least for the major sports, seem to be professionals now, why shouldn't they be able to be traded?
I am definitely ready for someone to figure out how to put some sort of guardrails or structure to all of this. It is a one sided shitshow right now.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 26, 2024, 02:51 PMUnder the old system, things like relationships, demeanor, candor, getting them on campus all were part of the equation and are the responsibility of the coach.
Under the new system, none of that matters, it's a money problem only. We have no way of knowing who offered what, so it doesn't make sense to blame the coach.
i agree.
i was just asking because when the top in state players the last two years went to other sec schools, there was a lot said about it, none of it good when it came to the hc coach.
HC is practically a non factor in recruiting these days.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 03:12 PMHC is practically a non factor in recruiting these days.
Well, who is deciding how much to offer each player?
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Dec 26, 2024, 03:15 PMWell, who is deciding how much to offer each player?
Or which players to pursue
We're having two or maybe three different conversations here it seems. Caring, Wanting, and Needing are not mutually exclusive concepts.
Yes it's a big deal in terms of we (Arkansas) needs to get every "good" player in-state that comes down the pipeline. Likewise Arkansas needs to find a way to somehow manufacturer some luck with some in-state evaluations on what we would normally call reaches. But do I personally feel nearly as emotionally invested? NOPE.
Where I see Arkansas being successful at is getting those smaller school guys out of the portal and showing they can play at the SEC/P4 level. Our staff still seems a lot more focused on getting guys with multiple years of eligibility many of which out of small schools but not all. I haven't seen anyone we've landed out of the portal (this period) that only had a year left. We're loaded with Juniors and Sophs out of the portal. Not so long ago we would be trying to find ways of filling class gaps from earlier defections to try to balance it all out. I'm not sure that's even a thing now but somehow I think Sam is still trying to build a roster always for the next coach only he's managing to stick around.
When I think of an cutting edge, extremely organized, and highly professional organization designed to excel in this cutthroat age of professional football and unlimited free agency, Sam Pittman comes to mind. lol
It really comes down to, as a fan, would you rather suck than participate in all the bullshit that college sports has become?
I'm really on the fence on that one. Asking me to donate so 18 year old kids will come here for a year or two before transferring somewhere else, knocks me off that fence.
I'd rather suck.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Dec 26, 2024, 03:15 PMWell, who is deciding how much to offer each player?
I'm saying the kid isn't picking the school based on the HC. Just a few years ago the HC was probably 80% of the reason.
TT is cleaning up in the portal and I couldn't tell you who their coach is.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 03:48 PMI'm saying the kid isn't picking the school based on the HC. Just a few years ago the HC was probably 80% of the reason.
Which is odd given that our coach drops cringe shit like "we're a blue light special program," then turns around and says "we have the money," when questioned about players transferring out.
So if it's not the money, and now youre saying its not the coach, then who or what is it?
We have the money...for blue light special players.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 06:14 PMWhich is odd given that our coach drops cringe shit like "we're a blue light special program," then turns around and says "we have the money," when questioned about players transferring out.
So if it's not the money, and now youre saying its not the coach, then who or what is it?
You seem to like following me around yet can't keep up.
I've always said it's about the money. Kid's are gonna choose the school that will pay the most. If we had had $50M in NIL, we would would get better players. Getting better players impacts wins/losses more than anything.
As fas as the BLS comment, every coach we've had since we've been in the SEC has done something just as bad, if not worse.
Crowe - Citadel
Ford - I didn't know we scored
Nutt - Take your pick
Petrino - Neck brace
Smith - Smile
Bert - Crying at press conferences
Chud - Clud dub, TX HS Friday night, etc
Sure Puttman didn't do any good by saying it but you gotta be pretty damn sensitive to be bothered by it.
Following you around? Dear baby Jesus, you post 5 times on every page of the thread, and likely have 80% of the posts in it. Regardless, his comment didn't bother me as much as I thought it was just plain stupid, and you hadn't even seen it before filling up a couple of pages on your opinion of it.
But your answer is mostly gibberish and those coaches weren't "dealing" with NIL, which is why Sam's comment is different. Petrino falling off a motorcycle and lying about it has fuck all to do with Sam's poor mouthing, and blaming his shit record on lack of money, then weeks later telling everyone we have the money.
So it's not about the money, and accordingly it sounds like you don't think it's coaching either. So what is it then? Why are we in a race to lead the nation in transfers leaving when according to Sam we have the money?
I mean,I'm just trying to figure out what he thinks Sam does well and why we should be keeping him.
I've stated numerous times I'm not big SP fan. He's par for the course for Arkansas coaches. If you're gonna fire him, fine. Odds are we're gonna hire the next par for the course coach. Until we make the commitment to compete money wise, we're gonna keep getting the same results.
I've also stated numerous times that the one coach that has won big here is calling plays. He's arguably the best play caller in the country. If you got BP better players (and TWill) you're probably gonna get better results. So for the last time, I'm for BP and getting him better talent. I could care less about SP.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 07:03 PMI mean,I'm just trying to figure out what he thinks Sam does well and why we should be keeping him.
He's a CEO HC. He does not call offense. He does not call defense. CEO head coaches are gonna have to hire hood coordinators, motivate players, games management, etc. If a game has 120 plays (60 offense/60 defense), who do you think impacts the game the most? Pittman or his coordinators?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 07:23 PMHe's a CEO HC. He does not call offense. He does not call defense. CEO head coaches are gonna have to hire hood coordinators, motivate players, games management, etc. If a game has 120 plays (60 offense/60 defense), who do you think impacts the game the most? Pittman or his coordinators?
So, what, in your mind what does a CEO coach do and does he do it well?
Pittman.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 07:23 PMCEO head coaches are gonna have to hire hood coordinators
This would probably be more helpful in basketball than football.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 07:19 PMI've stated numerous times I'm not big SP fan. He's par for the course for Arkansas coaches. If you're gonna fire him, fine. Odds are we're gonna hire the next par for the course coach. Until we make the commitment to compete money wise, we're gonna keep getting the same results.
I've also stated numerous times that the one coach that has won big here is calling plays. He's arguably the best play caller in the country. If you got BP better players (and TWill) you're probably gonna get better results. So for the last time, I'm for BP and getting him better talent. I could care less about SP.
This is where I stand.
I only stomach Pittman because he hired Bobby here. I'd like to see another year of Petrino and Green. I think Green will be much improved next year.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. As long as Sam keeps getting to bowl games he's the coach here. There are no plans by our money boosters to fork out the dough to make the football program great. John Tyson loves basketball and is friends with Cal. We got lucky there.
And now for a completely unpopular opinion on this board:
It's shocking how well Sam has actually done here with no head coaching chops whatsoever. I would've figured he'd be long gone by now. There's been a few OL coaches that got jobs in the SEC, the last I remember was some fat guy at Vandy. He went 2-24 or some shit and got canned.
The fact that Sam has basically the same record that Bielema had here was not something I expected. And Bielema is not a bad coach.
I have asked you probably 20 questions in this thread, including just above, and you've yet to answer one of them.
Just the same old rhetoric.
Reading also is not a strong suit either I see. If you look right above in my last post I listed some things a CEO coach does.
For fucks sake, I'd love to see one of you two coach our program. Can't imagine how that would work out....
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 26, 2024, 07:29 PMThis would probably be more helpful in basketball than football.
There's some pretty good hood coaches in football too.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 07:36 PMI have asked you probably 20 questions in this thread, including just above, and you've yet to answer one of them.
Just the same old rhetoric.
Reading also is not a strong suit either I see. If you look right above in my last post I listed some things a CEO coach does.
For fucks sake, I'd love to see one of you two coach our program. Can't imagine how that would work out....
No, you're not defending SP AT ALL..lol. Yet out of the other side of your mouth you say things like this, and "well any other coach is just gonna do the same," which is just like the ole, "But who else we gonna git?"
Quote from: red death on Dec 26, 2024, 07:31 PMThis is where I stand.
I only stomach Pittman because he hired Bobby here. I'd like to see another year of Petrino and Green. I think Green will be much improved next year.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. As long as Sam keeps getting to bowl games he's the coach here. There are no plans by our money boosters to fork out the dough to make the football program great. John Tyson loves basketball and is friends with Cal. We got lucky there.
And now for a completely unpopular opinion on this board:
It's shocking how well Sam has actually done here with no head coaching chops whatsoever. I would've figured he'd be long gone by now. There's been a few OL coaches that got jobs in the SEC, the last I remember was some fat guy at Vandy. He went 2-24 or some shit and got canned.
The fact that Sam has basically the same record that Bielema had here was not something I expected. And Bielema is not a bad coach.
He's done better than I expected as well. Is he an elite football coach? Hell no. He knows football. I think he knows his limitations. He knows he's only as successful as his coordinators. He realized that last year and canned Enos midseason.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 07:46 PMNo, you're not defending SP AT ALL..lol. Yet out of the other side of your mouth you say things like this, and "well any other coach is just gonna do the same," which is just like the ole, "But who else we gonna git?"
If you think my comments mean I'm defending SP, I don't know what else to say. I've clearly stated 100x, obviously not enough, that I support getting BOBBY PETRINO more talent and could care less who the HC is. If you don't see that our coordinators have impacted our results under SP more than anything, you might wanna start watching another sport.
History shows it's a damn good chance we will the level coach again. Then the bitching will start back in a couple years. Same as always.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 07:55 PMIf you think my comments mean I'm defending SP, I don't know what else to say. I've clearly stated 100x, obviously not enough, that I support getting BOBBY PETRINO more talent and could care less who the HC is. If you don't see that our coordinators have impacted our results under SP more than anything, you might wanna start watching another sport.
History shows it's a damn good chance we will the level coach again. Then the bitching will start back in a couple years. Same as always.
Start watching another sport, stop following you around...It's okay to discuss this stuff without the childish bullshit like that, bud. You're better than that.
And you are defending him..."Who else we gonna get? They'll just have the same record. Money is the problem, not coaching. He's a CEO with good assistants so does he really have an impact on the games? He's done better than expected."
Those are defenses of Sam Pittman.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 26, 2024, 12:47 PMThis is me
Yup fuck all this shit. I'll watch and support if we're winning. If we're losing like we usually do I'll just go on about my life. Big transition from planning every weekend in the fall around this laughing stock of a program. Probably best for my mental health in the long run
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 08:07 PMStart watching another sport, stop following you around...It's okay to discuss this stuff without the childish bullshit like that, bud. You're better than that.
And you are defending him..."Who else we gonna get? They'll just have the same record. Money is the problem, not coaching. He's a CEO with good assistants so does he really have an impact on the games? He's done better than expected."
Those are defenses of Sam Pittman.
No they're not. It's reality.
I'm thinking it's a combination of not much money and subpar coaching. It's possible to be both.
If this doesn't tell you the landscape of today's athletics, then nothing will. Larranaga is a good coach. He took George Mason to the FF. He takes Miami to the FF and 8 of his returning players transfer out for more money.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1872358787132411906?t=yUJxJuK9NfLhNIL60X9F7w&s=19 (https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1872358787132411906?t=yUJxJuK9NfLhNIL60X9F7w&s=19)
Quote from: PorkyPig on Dec 26, 2024, 08:17 PMI'm thinking it's a combination of not much money and subpar coaching. It's possible to be both.
Yep, which is why I dont think it's even debatable that with the same exact money and any number of head coaches instead of Pittman we have a better record.
Give 20 year old me money to play basketball in fucking Miami and I would have never left. "Coach, I'd really like more NIL but I'll stay and settle for 3 blondes, a color illustrated copy of the Kama Sutra, and 4 gallons of orange flavored sports drink... every weekend that we don't have a game. And all summer."
personally, i'll be glad when tomorrow is over and done with and maybe we can just move on. pittman's the coach next season, and nothing of an act of god will change that.
in nine days we can start bitching about cal. and after that van horn.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 08:07 PMStart watching another sport, stop following you around...It's okay to discuss this stuff without the childish bullshit like that, bud. You're better than that.
And you are defending him..."Who else we gonna get? They'll just have the same record. Money is the problem, not coaching. He's a CEO with good assistants so does he really have an impact on the games? He's done better than expected."
Those are defenses of Sam Pittman.
I don't think there's any actual Pittman supporters. If they had decided to can him this year we'd all be on board.
It's remarkable really. Nutt was pretty mediocre and he had very ardent and incredibly annoying support here. I know people who actively hate Petrino to this day. It was like a cult.
With Sam nobody really cares. I think we can just look historically and see that, outside of 1 coach in my lifetime, we've always made the wrong hire.
Hatfield (should've been Jimmy.)
Crowe
Danny Ford
Houston Nutt (should've been Tuberville thanks Baz)
Bobby Petrino (the actual only home run)
John L
Bert
Egad Chad!
Pittman
That's 9 decisions by administration.
1/9. That's about a 12% chance of success. Why does this happen?
Because Broyles decided Jimmy was too flashy and risky. He went safe.
Then he made his colossal blunder with Crowe. Safe. Colossal fail. Then inexplicably he goes for Danny Ford, a convicted cheater at Clemson. Which led us to the snake oil salesman because Broyles had fucked up so much he was toothless to get Tuberville.
Bielema safe.
Chad because Jerrah and Gus lol.
Pittman because we were desperate.
What's next? I don't mind rolling the dice personally but, as we have seen, it can and has been a lot worse than what we have.
In that aspect, in the University of Arkansas tradition, we have once again chosen the safe route.
No program who wins does it this way. You have to take risks and you have to lay all your chips on the table. Ole Miss gets this. They won't win it all but, by God, they are swinging wildly and you have to respect it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 08:20 PMIf this doesn't tell you the landscape of today's athletics, then nothing will. Larranaga is a good coach. He took George Mason to the FF. He takes Miami to the FF and 8 of his returning players transfer out for more money.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1872358787132411906?t=yUJxJuK9NfLhNIL60X9F7w&s=19 (https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1872358787132411906?t=yUJxJuK9NfLhNIL60X9F7w&s=19)
I agree.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 08:22 PMYep, which is why I dont think it's even debatable that with the same exact money and any number of head coaches instead of Pittman we have a better record.
So you don't think it's debatable to ask a new coach to come in with less resources to win than 75% of the teams within the conference. What coach takes that job?
Quote from: red death on Dec 26, 2024, 08:29 PMI don't think there's any actual Pittman supporters. If they had decided to can him this year we'd all be on board.
It's remarkable really. Nutt was pretty mediocre and he had very ardent and incredibly annoying support here. I know people who actively hate Petrino to this day. It was like a cult.
With Sam nobody really cares. I think we can just look historically and see that, outside of 1 coach in my lifetime, we've always made the wrong hire.
Hatfield (should've been Jimmy.)
Crowe
Danny Ford
Houston Nutt (should've been Tuberville thanks Baz)
Bobby Petrino (the actual only home run)
John L
Bert
Egad Chad!
Pittman
That's 9 decisions by administration.
1/9. That's about a 12% chance of success. Why does this happen?
Because Broyles decided Jimmy was too flashy and risky. He went safe.
Then he made his colossal blunder with Crowe. Safe. Colossal fail. Then inexplicably he goes for Danny Ford, a convicted cheater at Clemson. Which led us to the snake oil salesman because Broyles had fucked up so much he was toothless to get Tuberville.
Bielema safe.
Chad because Jerrah and Gus lol.
Pittman because we were desperate.
What's next? I don't mind rolling the dice personally but, as we have seen, it can and has been a lot worse than what we have.
In that aspect, in the University of Arkansas tradition, we have once again chosen the safe route.
No program who wins does it this way. You have to take risks and you have to lay all your chips on the table. Ole Miss gets this. They won't win it all but, by God, they are swinging wildly and you have to respect it.
You put that much better than I've tried.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 08:33 PMSo you don't think it's debatable to ask a new coach to come in with less resources to win than 75% of the teams within the conference. What coach takes that job?
But if we have the best play caller in the country, that's a resource BETTER than 100% of our opponents. Who wouldn't take that job?
Meaning, hire a new coach and keep BP? Like I've said before, count me in.
Look at SMU. They have billionaire boosters who literally passed on 200 million in tv revenue to get them into the ACC. Literally they said it didn't matter and was chump change.
Chump change. 200 million. Like A&M with Jimbos buyout. These guys are bankrolling big big and SMU got into the playoff.
It's why I laugh when people bring up Lashlee coming here. There's no way in hell he's leaving that money train to penny pinch for players at the UofA.
I know it sucks. Yes, we can and will get another coach. And we might get lucky. But if you think losing players to other schools because of money sucks, just wait until the day (probably not in my lifetime I fear) we do strike gold and these money guys who are serious about football poach him from us.
It's a new world, the state of Texas can finally pay players, and boy are they going to pony up. (Pun intended.)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 08:43 PMMeaning, hire a new coach and keep BP? Like I've said before, count me in.
That, I don't believe, has ever happened. New coach will,most certainly, bring his own crew if he's worth a shit.
But yes, as fantasies go, count me in too.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 08:33 PMSo you don't think it's debatable to ask a new coach to come in with less resources to win than 75% of the teams within the conference. What coach takes that job?
That's not what I said, and you're defending him again.
And you've been told by more than me on here that Sam Pittman and his record is the reason for the lack of interest and money support from fans. Make an exciting hire and the support will come, or at least would have had they made it already. As it is now he's going to drag us even deeper into the abyss next year, so who knows.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 08:59 PMThat's not what I said, and you're defending him again.
And you've been told by more than me on here that Sam Pittman and his record is the reason for the lack of interest and money support from fans. Make an exciting hire and the support will come, or at least would have had they made it already. As it is now he's going to drag us even deeper into the abyss next year, so who knows.
In my opinion it's the other way around. Like Tyson with Cal.
One of our rich boosters finds his guy and tells our meathead impotent AD and administration what to do, and then said booster ponies up the package and the fans cheer and line up.
If anyone of them had their guy, or cared at all, we wouldn't be in this mess.
For God's sake we've had committee head coaching searches here and have taken recommendations from former players lol. Can you imagine an elite coach like Cal interviewing in front of a meatball like Yurachek to get a job? Yurachek was told by Tyson to get in front of Cal and don't fuck it up or else.
Not going to happen. That's Busch league.
Quote from: red death on Dec 26, 2024, 09:04 PMIn my opinion it's the other way around. Like Tyson with Cal.
One of our rich boosters finds his guy and tells our meathead impotent AD and administration what to do, and then said booster ponies up the package and the fans cheer and line up.
If anyone of them had their guy, or cared at all, we wouldn't be in this mess.
For God's sake we've had committee head coaching searches here and have taken recommendations from former players lol. Can you imagine an elite coach like Cal interviewing in front of a meatball like Yurachek?
Not going to happen. That's Busch league.
Those positions arent mutually exclusive; either could be a successful strategy. Hiring Petrino or any number of coaches last year or at the end of this season would've excited the fanbase and brought in more money. That's an opinion I cant prove, but I DO KNOW that keeping Pittman was never going to help. He's lost the program and it's only going to get worse.
Keeping a 2-3 conference win/yr coach, and crowing about "going bowling in Memphis" is Busch league.
I'm not sure you know what defending someone means.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 09:11 PMThose positions arent mutually exclusive; either could be a successful strategy. Hiring Petrino or any number of coaches last year or at the end of this season would've excited the fanbase and brought in more money. That's an opinion I cant prove, but I DO KNOW that keeping Pittman was never going to help. He's lost the program and it's only going to get worse.
Keeping a 2-3 conference win/yr coach, and crowing about "going bowling in Memphis" is Busch league.
You do know that what you call Busch League is the Arkansas program over the last 32 years. right. Outside of 1 coach over a couple years. Reality is we're a Busch League program and every other coach and fanbase sees it except our fans. We are who we are.
You're hoping a new coach would bring excitement and money but no one on this board knows anything. We just hired a HOF hoops coach and I can barely give tickets away. NIL wouldn't have changed if Cal wasn't friends with Tyson. Wishful thinking.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 09:14 PMI'm not sure you know what defending someone means.
I gave you several examples. 1 is that you dont think he's a game day factor when he's the HNiC of an SEC program, and you dont think the culture and work ethic he's created has any bearing on his win loss record.
If that doesnt give the guy an out I don't know what does.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 09:25 PMI gave you several examples. 1 is that you dont think he's a game day factor when he's the HNiC of an SEC program, and you dont think the culture and work ethic he's created has any bearing on his win loss record.
If that doesnt give the guy an out I don't know what does.
He says he isn't responsible for recruiting either. That's why I asked him just what Sam is supposed to be doing that makes him worth $7 million a year.
Quote from: TC on Dec 26, 2024, 09:11 PMThose positions arent mutually exclusive; either could be a successful strategy. Hiring Petrino or any number of coaches last year or at the end of this season would've excited the fanbase and brought in more money. That's an opinion I cant prove, but I DO KNOW that keeping Pittman was never going to help. He's lost the program and it's only going to get worse.
Keeping a 2-3 conference win/yr coach, and crowing about "going bowling in Memphis" is Busch league.
I don't think any of us in this conversation actually disagree.
I'm with you. Pittman has done all he's ever going to do here. He might as well crow about the Liberty Bowl because that's all he's got.
It pisses me off too because I go to the stadium. It's beautiful. I see the fan support. It's Top 20. We are a very good program with very poor leadership for the last 40 years!
And it pisses me off that charlatans like Nutt and Pittman can squat here for years with shit results because our leaders and boosters are A. Incompetent or B. Don't give a fuck.
All the while pissing on us with "at least I beat SMU" or "Liberty Bowls are a big deal" like we're stupid.
Quote from: red death on Dec 26, 2024, 09:28 PMI don't think any of us in this conversation actually disagree.
I'm with you. Pittman has done all he's ever going to do here. He might as well crow about the Liberty Bowl because that's all he's got.
It pisses me off too because I go to the stadium. It's beautiful. I see the fan support. It's Top 20. We are a very good program with very poor leadership for the last 40 years!
And it pisses me off that charlatans like Nutt and Pittman can squat here for years with shit results because our leaders and boosters are A. Incompetent or B. Don't give a fuck.
All the while pissing on us with "at least I beat SMU" or "Liberty Bowls are a big deal" like we're stupid.
Agreed.
Quote from: red death on Dec 26, 2024, 08:49 PMLook at SMU. They have billionaire boosters who literally passed on 200 million in tv revenue to get them into the ACC. Literally they said it didn't matter and was chump change.
Chump change. 200 million. Like A&M with Jimbos buyout. These guys are bankrolling big big and SMU got into the playoff.
It's why I laugh when people bring up Lashlee coming here. There's no way in hell he's leaving that money train to penny pinch for players at the UofA.
I know it sucks. Yes, we can and will get another coach. And we might get lucky. But if you think losing players to other schools because of money sucks, just wait until the day (probably not in my lifetime I fear) we do strike gold and these money guys who are serious about football poach him from us.
It's a new world, the state of Texas can finally pay players, and boy are they going to pony up. (Pun intended.)
Lashlee's agent has told people in LR within the last month that Rhett would be interested if our job was offered, and that the degree of NIL support at SMU is way overblown.
Not disagreeing with most of the rest of what you've said. I do take exception with Barton's assumption (as I understand it) that it's all about the money and if we bid $1 more than Georgia we will get a player they want.
Players aren't cars or art pieces to be bought at a dealership or auction. If Elon Musk offers $100k for a car and I offer $100,001 for the same vehicle, the dealer is going to sell it to me. But if Elon and I are offering the same salary to an IT professional there is zero point zero chance that he's going to pass up the chance to work at SpaceX or Tesla over my piddly ass operation. Money is a major factor, even the most important one. But we aren't bidding from the same place as other schools even if the money is the same or marginally better. Our coach and program stature are a big part of that, and a reason why we would have to overpay on the open market for top talent.
Quote from: red death on Dec 26, 2024, 08:52 PMThat, I don't believe, has ever happened. New coach will,most certainly, bring his own crew if he's worth a shit.
But yes, as fantasies go, count me in too.
It's not common for sure but I'd imagine it's happened before and probably wasn't at all uncommon years and years ago. Position coaches for sure can last multiple head coaches. I think there was dudes at Oregon and FSU that were there 20+ years spanning numerous head coaches. The FSU cat I believe ended up being the interim prior to Cornrows.
All in all I don't think we'll see Arkansas hire a new head coach that will take BP as their OC. At that point I'd think it'll mean that ship has sailed and it's time for something new. The only exception to that would be IF there was a hire that just really loved having BP on the staff or the other more realistic possibility would be they hired a "YES" man and saddled him with BP like they did Pittman. Petrino was hired last year to appease the fans knowing full well they wanted to kick the can down the road a couple two or three years probably because of the horrendous contract HY put in front of Pittman.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 09:28 PMHe says he isn't responsible for recruiting either. That's why I asked him just what Sam is supposed to be doing that makes him worth $7 million a year.
Holy shit dude. I never said he's not responsible for recruiting. I said when a kid chooses a school now, who the HC is is only a small reason for the decision. Money wins receuits mire than anything.
Am I in a twilight zone episode??
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:17 PMHoly shit dude. I never said he's not responsible for recruiting. I said when a kid chooses a school now, who the HC is is only a small reason for the decision. Money wins receuits mire than anything.
Am I in a twilight zone episode??
So is it money or the coach and does the coach have any influence on the money?
When this program shows a commitment to win, then I'll believe it. Not a second before. Better throw a ton of money in NIL and hire a good coach with 2 solid coordinators. We've got 32 years of history twlling us that it likely won't happen. The same old fire coach, hire coach, has rarely ever worked out as someone pointed out. Till then, I'll put what fairh I have in the one guy rhat has won big here and is our current OC. .Has absolutely ZERO to do with Pittman.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:23 PMWhen this program shows a commitment to win, then I'll believe it. Not a second before. Better throw a ton of money in NIL and hire a good coach with 2 solid coordinators. We've got 32 years of history twlling us that it likely won't happen. The same old fire coach, hire coach, has rarely ever worked out as someone pointed out. Till then, I'll put what fairh I have in the one guy rhat has won big here and is our current OC. .Has absolutely ZERO to do with Pittman.
You should probably tell Pittman and the people paying his salary that.
Kid's are going where the money is. Plain and simple. There have been countless examples of this from coaches and players.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:29 PMKid's are going where the money is. Plain and simple. There have been countless examples of this from coaches and players.
So he isn't responsible for recruiting? It's only down to money?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 07:03 PMI mean,I'm just trying to figure out what he thinks Sam does well and why we should be keeping him.
He hires good assistants.
Yes he's responsible for recruiting but if he tells a kid he only has $100k he can give the kid (let's say he LOVES Pittman) and another school (let's say he HATES the school/coach) is gonna give him $200k, where do you think he's gonna go?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:38 PMYes he's responsible for recruiting but if he tells a kid he only has $100k he can give the kid (let's say he LOVES Pittman) and another school (let's say he HATES the school/coach) is gonna give him $200k, where do you think he's gonna go?
So what it Pittman has $100k and the other school has $100k? Is Pittman responsible then?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:38 PMWho win six games.
With 15th ranked talent in the SEC
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:40 PMWith 15th ranked talent in the SEC
But none of the coaches are responsible for recruiting or NIL money right?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:40 PMSo what it Pittman has $100k and the other school has $100k? Is Pittman responsible then?
There are two different word at play here, responsible and reason. In your scenario he would be one of the main reasons where the kid chose. He is always responsible for recruiting.
Do you think all of the players leaving for ON are going there for the same money?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:44 PMThere are two different word at play here, responsible and reason. In your scenario he would be one of the main reasons where the kid chose. He is always responsible for recruiting.
Do you think all of the players leaving for ON are going there for the same money?
Do you think all kids leaving the program are leaving for more money?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:38 PMWho win six games.
So our assistants are not good and everyone should be fired. Got it. And agree.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:41 PMBut none of the coaches are responsible for recruiting or NIL money right?
NIL should fall more on the AD than the coach. NIL is not just football. AD's have always had the responsibility of raising money for coaches, facilities, etc. They should bare the weight of NIL as well. Many, including myself, have been critical of HY for this.
You think Lane Kiffen is going door to door asking for money? Hell no, He's got an AD and boosters working for him.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:45 PMDo you think all kids leaving the program are leaving for more money?
I bet 90% are for more money or more PT. Most guys that left never saw the field.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 26, 2024, 10:48 PMSo our assistants are not good and everyone should be fired. Got it. And agree.
They just need a couple more years to install their systems with these one year players and we're gonna see some awesome results. I mean it's the only option we have. Gotta stay the course.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:49 PMNIL should fall more on the AD than the coach. NIL is not just football. AD's have always had the responsibility of raising money for coaches, facilities, etc. They should bare the weight of NIL as well. Many, including myself, have been critical of HY for this.
You think Lane Kiffen is going door to door asking for money? Hell no, He's got an AD and boosters working for him.
Actually Lane Kiffin is extremely involved in NIL and lobbies fans and big boosters directly for money.
Ok Mintzy.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:50 PMThey just need a couple more years to install their systems with these one year players and we're gonna see some awesome results. I mean it's the only option we have. Gotta stay the course.
We just need someone who can take that top 15 talent and consistently make it top 5. A dine a dozen.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 26, 2024, 10:50 PMThey just need a couple more years to install their systems with these one year players and we're gonna see some awesome results. I mean it's the only option we have. Gotta stay the course.
I do believe we are a 6-8 win max program year to year. With the right coach we might get in that 8 to 10 win range.
With that said, I'm a firm believer if a guy produces 6-8 wins a year, every year for 4 or 5 years, it's time to give someone else a shot. That was my position with Nut and that's what I think about Sam.
With that said, since Hatfield's first season in 1984, we have had 8 head coaches. I don't count the bridge guys like Hearing and Smile. That is a new coach every 5 years. Which fits my 5 years max for shitty average results.
So, I don't know what the right answer is other than it is what it is. I'm fairly defeated as a fan.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 26, 2024, 11:05 PMI do believe we are a 6-8 win max program year to year. With the right coach we might get in that 8 to 10 win range.
With that said, I'm a firm believer if a guy produces 6-8 wins a year, every year for 4 or 5 years, it's time to give someone else a shot. That was my position with Nut and that's what I think about Sam.
Agreed, and this has always been the case as BF points out as well. We're mired in mediocrity because our administration(s) have always (quite often) settled for the lower end of that average, and for far too many years. They're manufacturing excitement for 5-6 wins in year 5 when the guy who broke the mold is walking the sidelines under a "CEO" position coach whose verdict was in at the end of last season.
I'll give them this though, they even have the fans now arguing over todays current version of the "two-year pass" when we're here as a result of their decisions...again.
But now it's MORE of your money that's gonna get us over the hump. Yeah, sure it is.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 26, 2024, 10:38 PMYes he's responsible for recruiting but if he tells a kid he only has $100k he can give the kid (let's say he LOVES Pittman) and another school (let's say he HATES the school/coach) is gonna give him $200k, where do you think he's gonna go?
Along these lines, apparently on the Buzz yesterday Kevin Kelley said that Texass offered $500K to Antonio Jordan of Warren, yet he signed here for $150K (or $150K less according to some on Rivals - I didn't hear it myself).
Warren kids are built different though. And I'm not 100% sure I believe it.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 27, 2024, 07:39 AMAlong these lines, apparently on the Buzz yesterday Kevin Kelley said that Texass offered $500K to Antonio Jordan of Warren, yet he signed here for $150K (or $150K less according to some on Rivals - I didn't hear it myself).
Warren kids are built different though. And I'm not 100% sure I believe it.
Their is a story linked to Sark saying as much which I also find hard to believe a coach would actively talk numbers especially about a kid they didn't land.
The whole thing sounds like a pysop to pull people back in to believing players love that helmet
Edit
It was linked to a Texas HS coach
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 27, 2024, 07:39 AMAlong these lines, apparently on the Buzz yesterday Kevin Kelley said that Texass offered $500K to Antonio Jordan of Warren, yet he signed here for $150K (or $150K less according to some on Rivals - I didn't hear it myself).
Warren kids are built different though. And I'm not 100% sure I believe it.
That dude's a 6'6" wide receiver. He knows Bobby is going to showcase him if he can catch the ball. A year, maybe two, here as the 3* recruit and then he can take his highlights and chase the big bag. Players like that guy are going to want to play for a coach like Petrino because they know it will give them extra development for a shot at the NFL.
I'm not surprised.
Antonio Jordan is an absolute baller. He didn't do the promotion and circuit to get 5 stars, but believe me, he is one. Burks was a 5 star who got 4 for the same reason. Maddox Lassiter, our backup freshman TE, is going to be a household name as well. Vastly underrated. And those kids are physical, not 6'6 and soft like Charmin Broden.
All the Warren kids are underrated for that reason. But Sark knows.
The story is attributed to none other than Kevin Kelley:
https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/arkansas-football-turns-down-nil-offer-texas-football-coach-says/
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 27, 2024, 01:45 PMThe story is attributed to none other than Kevin Kelley:
https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/arkansas-football-turns-down-nil-offer-texas-football-coach-says/
You don't say...
Quote from: animal on Dec 26, 2024, 06:21 PMWe have the money...for blue light special players.
Maybe we can get some after-Christmas sale players.
Player we will miss the least:
Isaac Satagna
Enjoy Oklahoma.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 28, 2024, 09:48 AMPlayer we will miss the least:
Isaac Satagna
Enjoy Oklahoma.
As long as we find a better punt catcher than Bryce Stephens, we won't miss him.
got a guy that led the country in punt return yards, average, and td coming in.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 28, 2024, 10:30 AMgot a guy that led the country in punt return yards, average, and td coming in.
We'll teach him to fair catch.
One thing games like last night show, is that skill players are a dime a dozen. Spend the bulk of your money on the lines.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 28, 2024, 10:18 AMAs long as we find a better punt catcher than Bryce Stephens, we won't miss him.
I'm not sure Sategna was any better than Stephens.
The UAB transfer Shanks was an all-American return specialist, so I suspect that's his role to lose.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 28, 2024, 11:42 AMOne thing games like last night show, is that skill players are a dime a dozen. Spend the bulk of your money on the lines.
Something we can agree on.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 28, 2024, 11:57 AMThe UAB transfer Shanks was an all-American return specialist, so I suspect that's his role to lose.
also had 62 catches, 656 yards, and 6 td.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 28, 2024, 11:57 AMI'm not sure Sategna was any better than Stephens.
The UAB transfer Shanks was an all-American return specialist, so I suspect that's his role to lose.
Maybe not, but he sure looked shaky on that first one.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 28, 2024, 11:57 AMThe UAB transfer Shanks was an all-American return specialist, so I suspect that's his role to lose.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 28, 2024, 12:41 PMalso had 62 catches, 656 yards, and 6 td.
Is it too late to copyright "
Shanks For The Memories"?
Quote from: FNG on Dec 28, 2024, 12:49 PMIs it too late to copyright "Shanks For The Memories"?
I assume somewhere in the thread we have thanked God he's not a punter, although that would be assume, would probab;ly get mentioned as much as the "17 year old WR".
I'm guessing DE #4 Anton Juncai may be able to return. I'm not sure I understand this waiver thing though unless in effect giving him a covid year.
2020-2021: JUCO
2021-2022: Albany played in 11 games
2022-2023: Albany played in 15 games
2023-2024: Arkansas
2024-2025: Arkansas (covid year)
2025-2026: Arkansas (covid year)
Also some other dudes on the team like #13 who was an ok DB this season that may be able to return.
I guess he never heard the phrase heresyourcheck.
https://x.com/wholehogsports/status/1873539363457630635?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 29, 2024, 08:13 PMI guess he never heard the phrase heresyourcheck.
https://x.com/wholehogsports/status/1873539363457630635?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
that's fake right?
If you are just a walk on you should be able to just wander around wherever you want like any other random sort of student.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 29, 2024, 08:20 PMthat's fake right?
He started at wake forest on scholarship then transferred here.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 29, 2024, 10:37 PMHe started at wake forest on scholarship then transferred here.
The kid obviously wants to get someplace he can play. Doubt he has delusions of going anywhere for a big payday.
He went to App State. Holy fuck I hope Yurachek doesn't make our next football coach hire.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 30, 2024, 07:24 PMHe went to App State. Holy fuck I hope Yurachek doesn't make our next football coach hire.
His brother is coaching there. He was Dowell's first hire. Dowell is kissing the right asses.
https://appstatesports.com/news/2024/12/14/football-app-state-adds-yurachek-as-assistant-coach.aspx
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 30, 2024, 07:24 PMHe went to App State. Holy fuck I hope Yurachek doesn't make our next football coach hire.
what does that have to do where the guy transferred to?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 29, 2024, 08:13 PMI guess he never heard the phrase heresyourcheck.
https://x.com/wholehogsports/status/1873539363457630635?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Hopefully his dad follows
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1874185109920006469
This will fuel the anti-Pittman fire.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 02:11 PMhttps://x.com/mzenitz/status/1874185109920006469
This will fuel the anti-Pittman fire.
As it fucking should.
So damning for Bobby to play his pets Anthony and Broden over him.
We're a clown program.
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 31, 2024, 02:49 PMWe're a clown program.
the guy who is your avatar is the guy who decides these rotations.
to me this looks like a 'get my name out there and see what i'm worth' type deal.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 02:11 PMhttps://x.com/mzenitz/status/1874185109920006469
This will fuel the anti-Pittman fire.
I'm the conductor of the fire Pittman bandwagon and think it's bullshit this kid didn't get snaps this year, but this is another reason why the portal windows have to be changed.
You need to have ONE portal window and have it open between Thanksgiving and mid-December. Once that's closed, it's done. Otherwise you're going to continue seeing bullshit like this where an unknown kid balls out in a meaningless bowl game against 2nd and 3rd stringers and then demands a payday.
Ironically, teams who have these types of performances are going to start getting penalized. It's oddly better to lose or win a defensive slugfest than have some offensive skill players play well.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 31, 2024, 03:15 PMI'm the conductor of the fire Pittman bandwagon and think it's bullshit this kid didn't get snaps this year, but this is another reason why the portal windows have to be changed.
You need to have ONE portal window and have it open between Thanksgiving and mid-December. Once that's closed, it's done. Otherwise you're going to continue seeing bullshit like this where an unknown kid balls out in a meaningless bowl game against 2nd and 3rd stringers and then demands a payday.
Ironically, teams who have these types of performances are going to start getting penalized. It's oddly better to lose or win a defensive slugfest than have some offensive skill players play well.
If you're not in the playoffs, the smarter move now is for the school to decline the bowl invite.
Very little upside.
I think they should move the bowl games to post spring practice as glorified scrimmage type things. Seems that would be more useful for getting ready for next year.
And we'd get some April or May football.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 31, 2024, 02:12 PMAs it fucking should.
And it fucking has.
It's insane that Bobby Motherfucking Petrino is stalking the sidelines and we refuse to even consider giving him the reins.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 31, 2024, 03:15 PMI'm the conductor of the fire Pittman bandwagon and think it's bullshit this kid didn't get snaps this year, but this is another reason why the portal windows have to be changed.
You need to have ONE portal window and have it open between Thanksgiving and mid-December. Once that's closed, it's done. Otherwise you're going to continue seeing bullshit like this where an unknown kid balls out in a meaningless bowl game against 2nd and 3rd stringers and then demands a payday.
Ironically, teams who have these types of performances are going to start getting penalized. It's oddly better to lose or win a defensive slugfest than have some offensive skill players play well.
The trend is just the opposite.
The main portal window will be moved to after the bowl games so some players will still play in bowls and the playoffs. See: The Penn State backup QB.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 31, 2024, 03:41 PMThe trend is just the opposite.
The main portal window will be moved to after the bowl games so some players will still play in bowls and the playoffs. See: The Penn State backup QB.
I think that would go a long way to making these bowl games less of a shitshow matchup of depth guys and walk-ons.
Either way, there needs to be one portal window, either before or after the bowls. Having multiple windows straddling bowl season is just rank insanity.
the ncaa wanted to get rid of the spring portal, but the division 1 council (who has to approve it) chose to wait until the house settlement is final.
there's still a lot of stuff that's being negotiated behind the scenes apparently.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 02:11 PMhttps://x.com/mzenitz/status/1874185109920006469
This will fuel the anti-Pittman fire.
As it should
I'm pretty sure if Bobby wanted James playing, then James would have played.
I guess you guys want Sam dictating who Bobby plays. But then, as soon as that happens yous guys will bitch about Sam meddling in the offense.
Fuck James if he portals.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 31, 2024, 05:27 PMI'm pretty sure if Bobby wanted James playing, then James would have played.
I guess you guys want Sam dictating who Bobby plays. But then, as soon as that happens yous guys will bitch about Sam meddling in the offense.
Fuck James if he portals.
you could have stopped there, but some posters will never admit it.
I figure it really comes down to if they are paying XYZ guy then he's gonna get the snaps. Also for all we know James hasn't exactly lit it up in practice and maybe when they got thin on players he was getting added attention and reps and took advantage of his opportunity.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2024, 05:33 PMyou could have stopped there, but some posters will never admit it.
Amen. If he was all that Petrino would've played him.
Quote from: animal on Dec 31, 2024, 05:37 PMI figure it really comes down to if they are paying XYZ guy then he's gonna get the snaps. Also for all we know James hasn't exactly lit it up in practice and maybe when they got thin on players he was getting added attention and reps and took advantage of his opportunity.
That is what I suspect or he didn't know the play book early on was pushed back on the depth chart.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 31, 2024, 06:56 PMAmen. If he was all that Petrino would've played him.
When did BP become head coach?
Do y'all fault Pittman for anything?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 31, 2024, 03:31 PMAnd it fucking has.
It's insane that Bobby Motherfucking Petrino is stalking the sidelines and we refuse to even consider giving him the reins.
100%
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 31, 2024, 07:15 PMWhen did BP become head coach?
Do y'all fault Pittman for anything?
i wasn't blaming petrino, weird that you would go there.
both him and pittman have stated, multiple times, that petrino is in charge of all things offense. that includes who sees the field based on his evaluations. some posters just want to ignore that and automatically blame pittman. and if someone does point it out petrino's involvement, they are somehow 'not blaming pittman for anything' or voicing support for him.
Fair enough. That wasn't really my point. If BP is de facto HC, why the fuck are we paying Pittman and what the fuck does he actually do to earn his salary? Why not eliminate the middle man and go straight to the conclusion that we all seem to agree on?
What purpose does Pittman serve? Serious question.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 31, 2024, 07:31 PMFair enough. That wasn't really my point. If BP is de facto HC, why the fuck are we paying Pittman and what the fuck does he actually do to earn his salary? Why not eliminate the middle man and go straight to the conclusion that we all seem to agree on?
What purpose does Pittman serve? Serious question.
Kinda the point I've been trying to make. I don't think he brings much to the game. I think he relies heavily on his coordinators which is exactly reflective of our record since he's been here.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 31, 2024, 07:31 PMFair enough. That wasn't really my point. If BP is de facto HC, why the fuck are we paying Pittman and what the fuck does he actually do to earn his salary? Why not eliminate the middle man and go straight to the conclusion that we all seem to agree on?
What purpose does Pittman serve? Serious question.
i'm not going to argue with that.
Postgame Missouri, Pittman made comments about telling Bobby that he had timeouts to use if he needed them.
That doesn't suggest Bobby has full control of the offense.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 31, 2024, 07:43 PMPostgame Missouri, Pittman made comments about telling Bobby that he had timeouts to use if he needed them.
That doesn't suggest Bobby has full control of the offense.
So, why didn't he use them? BLS is the head coach! Again, he has no feel for the game.
The head coach and the coordinators should be on the same page during the game. Apparently they are not.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 31, 2024, 07:43 PMPostgame Missouri, Pittman made comments about telling Bobby that he had timeouts to use if he needed them.
That doesn't suggest Bobby has full control of the offense.
so if i'm reading that right, pittman told petrino that he had time outs if he wanted to use them, but because petrino didn't say he needed them, it shows petrino doesn't have control of the offense?
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2024, 07:53 PMso if i'm reading that right, pittman told petrino that he had time outs if he wanted to use them, but because petrino didn't say he needed them, it shows petrino doesn't have control of the offense?
It sounded clear Sam was in charge of rationing them, like the decision couldn't be made on the field.
If Bobby was in control there wouldn't need to be a conversation.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 31, 2024, 07:43 PMPostgame Missouri, Pittman made comments about telling Bobby that he had timeouts to use if he needed them.
That doesn't suggest Bobby has full control of the offense.
I interpret that statement as just the opposite. Sounds like Bobby was in control.
Sounds more like Pittman trying to weasel it out there, "Hey, that was Bobby's fault not mine."
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 08:10 PMI interpret that statement as just the opposite. Sounds like Bobby was in control.
as did i.
too confusing for my current state of mind.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 31, 2024, 08:12 PMSounds more like Pittman trying to weasel it out there, "Hey, that was Bobby's fault not mine."
Another, "I didn't know what to do," situation.
Again, if Bobby was in control there wouldn't need to be a conversation.
It's not that difficult.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 08:10 PMI interpret that statement as just the opposite. Sounds like Bobby was in control.
So why do we need Pittman? I'm really not trying to be obtuse. If we all agree BP is or should be in charge, why the hell is SP still on the payroll? It's not for in-game strategery and it certainly isn't fund raising. What are we paying for?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 31, 2024, 08:47 PMSo why do we need Pittman? I'm really not trying to be obtuse. If we all agree BP is or should be in charge, why the hell is SP still on the payroll? It's not for in-game strategery and it certainly isn't fund raising. What are we paying for?
One of life's great mysteries
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 08:10 PMI interpret that statement as just the opposite. Sounds like Bobby was in control.
Sam was in the press box so T Will or BMFP literally had to call timeouts in the Mizzou game.
With Pittman allowing Russell to come back (twice) after entering portal (twice) and still giving him the majority of the carries despite missing half the bowl practices, I'm sure other players took note and will test the portal waters knowing that Sam will welcome them back
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2024, 07:53 PMso if i'm reading that right, pittman told petrino that he had time outs if he wanted to use them, but because petrino didn't say he needed them, it shows petrino doesn't have control of the offense?
Yeah I am not following.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Dec 31, 2024, 10:31 PMWith Pittman allowing Russell to come back (twice) after entering portal (twice) and still giving him the majority of the carries despite missing half the bowl practices, I'm sure other players took note and will test the portal waters knowing that Sam will welcome them back
But did he do it the "right way" that's the biggest mystery. Does anyone really believe Russell did it the "right way" both times or even once?
So my memory wasn't perfect, he actually said conflicting things.
At about the 3:30 mark, he said the coordinators "had the timeouts."
But at the 6:30 mark, he started talking about the end of game sequence and referred to himself calling timeouts. He asked Bobby once and Bobby told him no, that he had the play he wanted.
So best case, Sam was meddling after Bobby had "control."
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 02:11 PMhttps://x.com/mzenitz/status/1874185109920006469
This will fuel the anti-Pittman fire.
How much have the landsharts offered him?
such a fine performance that he broke the fuck out of here
Quote from: egregious on Jan 01, 2025, 09:42 AMsuch a fine performance that he broke the fuck out of here
He caught that first pass and just kept running till he was free.
Us: :-\
Nice Things: Go Fuck Yourself
Quote from: animal on Dec 31, 2024, 05:37 PMI figure it really comes down to if they are paying XYZ guy then he's gonna get the snaps. Also for all we know James hasn't exactly lit it up in practice and maybe when they got thin on players he was getting added attention and reps and took advantage of his opportunity.
What we don't know is the role of boosters and nil $ dictating rosters. Could be both Sam and Bobby are sucking dick.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 01, 2025, 10:32 AMWhat we don't know is the role of boosters and nil $ dictating rosters. Could be both Sam and Bobby are sucking dick.
I think there may be instances of this but I doubt it in this case. Kid was a freshman and we only had 1 WR that garnered any significant NIL money.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2024, 03:07 PMthe guy who is your avatar is the guy who decides these rotations.
to me this looks like a 'get my name out there and see what i'm worth' type deal.
I'm not above criticizing Petrino while rocking this amusing avatar.
My comment is frustration that soon as a player has a breakout game, he enters the transfer portal. I agree with you though that basically he's just trying to determine his market value.
Quote from: piglosopher on Jan 01, 2025, 12:02 PMI'm not above criticizing Petrino while rocking this amusing avatar.
My comment is frustration that soon as a player has a breakout game, he enters the transfer portal. I agree with you though that basically he's just trying to determine his market value.
How different is that from what Jimmy sexton does behind the scenes?
Not much really. I hope the kid stays here, gets better, and justly gets paid.
A bright, optimistic moment of a breakout performance is soured because he immediately enters the transfer portal.
Way it now, I guess.
Y'all might as well give up on it like I have. Razorback football is cursed.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 11, 2024, 10:39 AMIf any of the young ones show out, they'll get poached after it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 01, 2025, 10:54 AMI think there may be instances of this but I doubt it in this case. Kid was a freshman and we only had 1 WR that garnered any significant NIL money.
I'm talking during regular season. Could be the sam belief that no underclassman should play over an upperclassman.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 01, 2025, 05:05 PMI'm talking during regular season. Could be the sam belief that no underclassman should play over an upperclassman.
I simply can't believe that any coach, including Sam, whose longevity as a coach is tied to wins would willingly and knowingly not play his best players.
Maybe Sam can't evaluate who the best players are but I don't believe for one second he is intentionally playing the lesser players due to something like seniority.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 01, 2025, 07:01 PMI simply can't believe that any coach, including Sam, whose longevity as a coach is tied to wins would willingly and knowingly not play his best players.
Maybe Sam can't evaluate who the best players are but I don't believe for one second he is intentionally playing the lesser players due to something like seniority.
I think Sam and plenty of other coaches look at it like this. If you have two (or more) guys vying for a spot and you expect similar production out of each of them, you play the guy who's been there longer.
I think that's backwards logic, especially if the older guy is in his last year of eligibility. Play the guy who is going to be around longer and has time to improve.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 01, 2025, 07:09 PMI think Sam and plenty of other coaches look at it like this. If you have two (or more) guys vying for a spot and you expect similar production out of each of them, you play the guy who's been there longer.
I think that's backwards logic, especially if the older guy is in his last year of eligibility. Play the guy who is going to be around longer and has time to improve.
I'll buy that and agree.
But in your scenario he isn't playing a worse player because of seniority.
We (Arkansas) are still taking the long term "development" view of players in a world of 1 year NIL deals (in essence) and players trying to get their dollars up the moment they do something of note. I don't doubt for a second that Sam is so risk averse that he would try to keep a few horses in the barn because in their view the older guys are equal to or slightly better.
James has talent, he's got speed but none of us saw the practices. All we know is after the game Sam acted like the cat swallowed the canary and of course that lasted all of about 2 days. I think the coaches were as surprised by that performance as we were but of course he's gonna come out and tell everyone he knew it all along.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 01, 2025, 07:13 PMI'll buy that and agree.
But in your scenario he isn't playing a worse player because of seniority.
If we're talking about playing Broden versus pretty much anyone, I disagree.
The guy has Randy Moss measurables, so I get the infatuation and giving him a shot. But after the second or third time he drops a ball that hit him dead center of his skillet hands, gives up on a 50/50 ball leading to an INT, or gets alligator arms at the thought of a safety giving up half a foot and 20-30 lbs, you have to try someone else.
For the record I put that decision more on Petrino and Foutch than Pittman. I doubt Sam is overruling BP on personnel decisions.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 01, 2025, 08:10 PMIf we're talking about playing Broden versus pretty much anyone, I disagree.
The guy has Randy Moss measurables, so I get the infatuation and giving him a shot. But after the second or third time he drops a ball that hit him dead center of his skillet hands, gives up on a 50/50 ball leading to an INT, or gets alligator arms at the thought of a safety giving up half a foot and 20-30 lbs, you have to try someone else.
For the record I put that decision more on Petrino and Foutch than Pittman. I doubt Sam is overruling BP on personnel decisions.
I won't disagree here. However, it is probably safe to assume that James either hasn't really shown out in practice or his route running wasn't up to par. Bobby can be stubborn about measurable, but he's never been one to play the less capable player unless they simply don't know the offense (and therefore can't be on the field most of the time) or their routes aren't precise. My guess is, the guy is still learning the offense and they were forced to play him by attrition. Or the kid is a gamer, they type that doesn't practice well, but in a game everything clicks and he plays up to his level.
Quote from: passed on Jan 02, 2025, 06:33 AMI won't disagree here. However, it is probably safe to assume that James either hasn't really shown out in practice or his route running wasn't up to par. Bobby can be stubborn about measurable, but he's never been one to play the less capable player unless they simply don't know the offense (and therefore can't be on the field most of the time) or their routes aren't precise. My guess is, the guy is still learning the offense and they were forced to play him by attrition. Or the kid is a gamer, they type that doesn't practice well, but in a game everything clicks and he plays up to his level.
That's the likely reason but if so Petrino may need to re-think it considering that his quarterback is so inaccurate and many plays devolve to playground ball. We need guys who can be fast enough to run to an open spot and/or big and tough enough to fight for the ball.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 02, 2025, 05:12 PMThat's the likely reason but if so Petrino may need to re-think it considering that his quarterback is so inaccurate and many plays devolve to playground ball. We need guys who can be fast enough to run to an open spot and/or big and tough enough to fight for the ball.
So Bob Hayes?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Jan 02, 2025, 05:14 PMSo Bob Hayes?
Does he still have eligibility? Dig him up.
I don't recall Petrino ever having trouble getting the most talented guys on the field.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 02, 2025, 05:18 PMDoes he still have eligibility? Dig him up.
A new court decision says that being dead doesn't count against your eligibility.
I really wonder if the old Petrino would tolerate green being his QB. Maybe why that is why he got Nico's brother as Sam wouldn't cut green loose.
All the sloppiness we saw this year on offense the HC Bobby woukd have had some asses in a sling. Has he gone soft?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 02, 2025, 05:28 PMI really wonder if the old Petrino would tolerate green being his QB. Maybe why that is why he got Nico's brother as Sam wouldn't cut green loose.
All the sloppiness we saw this year on offense the HC Bobby woukd have had some asses in a sling. Has he gone soft?
Petrino is an old man and his best success was a guy by the name of Lamar Jackson. He's been chasing after those types of players ever since and will probably go the rest of his career never finding another as good.
petrino wanted green and told pittman to get him.
signed nico's brother because he fell into our lap after singleton left. it isn't a matter of sam not cutting him.
Quote from: animal on Jan 02, 2025, 05:32 PMPetrino is an old man and his best success was a guy by the name of Lamar Jackson. He's been chasing after those types of players ever since and will probably go the rest of his career never finding another as good.
Probably? Lamar might have the best passer rating EVER after Saturday. On top of that, he has 900 rushing yards. It is pretty safe to say nobody will find another Lamar for a LONG time.
Juncaj declares for the draft. Did he play in any game other than the Liberty Bowl?
He actually had a big game much earlier this year.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Jan 03, 2025, 11:08 AMJuncaj declares for the draft. Did he play in any game other than the Liberty Bowl?
There were more than a few games where he didn't piss a drop, but I was actually hoping he'd come back.
Milroe declares for the NFL draft and Mel Kipr has him as the #3 QB? WTF?
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Jan 03, 2025, 11:08 AMJuncaj declares for the draft. Did he play in any game other than the Liberty Bowl?
Wasn't that guy like an FCS first team All American? He can probably get on an NFL practice and if he only makes the $12,500 a week minimum, that's still pretty dang good. More money than he would make in NIL anywhere.
Quote from: dhog on Jan 03, 2025, 11:30 AMMilroe declares for the NFL draft and Mel Kipr has him as the #3 QB? WTF?
If I'm not mistaken, he has Carson Beck as the #4 QB. This may be the worst QB class of all time.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1875189417201316040?t=Ww-VGSJA-Ty7JSsk7l5Krw&s=19 (https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1875189417201316040?t=Ww-VGSJA-Ty7JSsk7l5Krw&s=19)
if they got rid of the redshirt, i have no problem with that.
Not surprised. Another link for the pendulum to swing down destroy what's left of college football.
Wait till someone else sues saying, "I get paid like any other employee, why should I leave?"
Quote from: HogOfWar on Jan 03, 2025, 01:17 PMNot surprised. Another link for the pendulum to swing down destroy what's left of college football.
Wait till someone else sues saying, "I get paid like any other employee, why should I leave?"
That's literally next. How is it not an unlawful restraint and collusion to limit an employee to a certain number of years? It clearly is a violation of anti-trust laws. Clearly.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 03, 2025, 01:25 PMThat's literally next. How is it not an unlawful restraint and collusion to limit an employee to a certain number of years? It clearly is a violation of anti-trust laws. Clearly.
I bet Lane will be the one open that box.
because they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2025, 02:41 PMbecause they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.
The Collegiate Players of America Union will make sure no one is ever fired.
And fire them for what? You can't just fire 15 people every January and claim it's at-will, when it would be pretty easy to argue it's because of their age which is a big no-no.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2025, 02:41 PMbecause they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.
Again, you can't call them employees. That would mean the schools have to provide worker's compensation benefits, insurance benefits, retirement benefits, and god knows what else to each of them. I don't do enough employment law to know but I suspect they aren't even 1099 workers-- contract workers-- because the money is not coming from the University.
The whole situation is so fucked up. I don't think it really means anything when they say "the portal is closed" until such and such date. There is really nothing to stop them from leaving whenever they want. At halftime, for god's sake.
Quote from: TC on Jan 03, 2025, 06:07 PMAnd fire them for what? You can't just fire 15 people every January and claim it's at-will, when it would be pretty easy to argue it's because of their age which is a big no-no.
IF they were employees, yes you can fire them for anything you fucking want. it happens everyday in the real world. just because they are football players, they get some magical power not to be treated like everyone else? nfl, nba, nhl, etc., players never get cut? it's the exact same thing.
they already get 5 years to compete in 4. redshirts and medical hardships have been a thing for forever. IF this is passed and IF they eliminate redshirts, nothing has really changed.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 03, 2025, 06:39 PMAgain, you can't call them employees. That would mean the schools have to provide worker's compensation benefits, insurance benefits, retirement benefits, and god knows what else to each of them. I don't do enough employment law to know but I suspect they aren't even 1099 workers-- contract workers-- because the money is not coming from the University.
The whole situation is so fucked up. I don't think it really means anything when they say "the portal is closed" until such and such date. There is really nothing to stop them from leaving whenever they want. At halftime, for god's sake.
i agree. i was just pointing out the absurdity that employees cannot be fired.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2025, 06:50 PMIF they were employees, yes you can fire them for anything you fucking want. it happens everyday in the real world. just because they are football players, they get some magical power not to be treated like everyone else? nfl, nba, nhl, etc., players never get cut? it's the exact same thing.
You're talking about At Will, and I agree that ordinarily you can. But what was being discussed was those without eligibility wanting to stick around longer than wanted (and the Tweet quoted above re: the NCAA extending eligibility).
If you "fire" 10 super seniors because they've "aged out" and you dont want them anymore, then you're gonna have problems on your hands. Try firing a group en masse that all have something in common (age), and you're gonna have lawsuits.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2025, 02:41 PMbecause they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.
One court has already concluded they are employees. Sure, you can fire any employee. But you and every other burger joint in town can't get together and decide that you are all going to fire all of your burger flippers every four years. That's a violation of anti-trust laws.
Gonna guess this is just for hoops.
https://x.com/brodysheetzESPN/status/1875212379862241608?t=OxHLQxJFh5ZqNXDK7HOezA&s=19 (https://x.com/brodysheetzESPN/status/1875212379862241608?t=OxHLQxJFh5ZqNXDK7HOezA&s=19)
Unlimited?
AIDS drugs aren't cheap.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Jan 03, 2025, 09:06 PMUnlimited?
AIDS drugs aren't cheap.
After 30 years, I'd say he's on the other side of it.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 03, 2025, 07:28 PMOne court has already concluded they are employees. Sure, you can fire any employee. But you and every other burger joint in town can't get together and decide that you are all going to fire all of your burger flippers every four years. That's a violation of anti-trust laws.
please explain why professional athletes, who are real employees, can't be cut (same fucking thing) because of anti-trust laws. players that have a union no less.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2025, 09:15 PMplease explain why professional athletes, who are real employees, can't be cut (same fucking thing) because of anti-trust laws. players that have a union no less.
That would be different if every team did that on the exact same cadence though, right?
Quote from: Borenutz on Jan 03, 2025, 09:38 PMThat would be different if every team did that on the exact same cadence though, right?
no, there's the roster cuts to get to 53. happens for every team during the same time period.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Jan 03, 2025, 09:06 PMUnlimited?
AIDS drugs aren't cheap.
He owns a ton of Starbucks.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2025, 09:15 PMplease explain why professional athletes, who are real employees, can't be cut (same fucking thing) because of anti-trust laws. players that have a union no less.
You're not getting the point. This country has anti-trust laws. Employers, which is what schools potentially are, can't collude to set conditions regarding employment of their workers. That's why Congress way back in the 1920s gave baseball a special anti-trust exemption. That allows the various teams in a league to collude and make rules concerning salaries, trades, employment rules and all that. It was necessary to insure level playing grounds for competition. Football, the NBA, and other professional sports don't have the anti-trust exemption. So they get around those laws by having players associations which are effectively, unions, to collectively bargain with the leagues to establish all that.
The NCAA has neither an anti-trust exemption nor players associations. Players associations may be difficult with players being so young and other factors. So, that's why so many people say Congress is going to have to get involved. It's why Tuberville is working on a bill now. All of this is necessitated by a court ruling a few years ago finding that schools couldn't collude to limit the earnings of athletes who were essentially employees.
So, to answer your question there is no reason a school can't fire a player. But theoretically there is a problem with all the schools colluding to decide that all players will be fired after four or five years of eligibility no matter what.
Sports get antitrust exemptions, would be interesting to see how applying for one would shake out politically.
Get Congress involved and they will make the wrong decision. I don't actually know what that would be but they would find it.
Quote from: egregious on Jan 04, 2025, 10:27 AMSports get antitrust exemptions, would be interesting to see how applying for one would shake out politically.
Get Congress involved and they will make the wrong decision. I don't actually know what that would be but they would find it.
It can't be fixed without Congress based on the court decisions made so far.
Once the floodgates opened on these suits, they just aren't going to stop. College sports and football in particular were victims of their own success. The money got too big to ignore. People want some of it and are trying to exploit every angle to get at it.
The collision will be about entry not cutting. I believe the sec and big10 form a superconference, adding a couple of key outsiders. They will leave high school kids to the other P4 remnants and lesser programs and then pick from that pool of players. Those schools could then determine how long those players play. It would be to their advantage to keep those older players who are great college players but not likely nfl stars. Arkansas has always had a lot of those players.
They aren't employees but contract workers if the money flows thru the AD. As long as it's nil then school gives a scholarship and training. Players are 1099 from their moneybag. Hope the get taught about taxes.
Marcus Dumervil signed. 1 year left.
6'5 330 lb OT from Maryland. Played a couple years at LSU.
Nice get. Looks like we've decided to spend a lot of money on the O-Line at least.
Quote from: red death on Jan 04, 2025, 08:09 PMMarcus Dumervil signed. 1 year left.
6'5 330 lb OT from Maryland. Played a couple years at LSU.
Nice get. Looks like we've decided to spend a lot of money on the O-Line at least.
Way smarter than overspending on skill position guys
Good Oline makes everyone better.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 04, 2025, 08:30 PMGood Oline makes everyone better.
Just like a good d line
Yep. We haven't been great on either side in forever.
Quote from: red death on Jan 04, 2025, 08:09 PMMarcus Dumervil signed. 1 year left.
6'5 330 lb OT from Maryland. Played a couple years at LSU.
Nice get. Looks like we've decided to spend a lot of money on the O-Line at least.
Related to Elvis?
Quote from: BASS on Jan 04, 2025, 08:20 PMWay smarter than overspending on skill position guys
Agree. I do like the strategy for sure.
Don't look now but we've got some really nice pieces, especially the tackles.
It's obvious protecting Taylen next year is paramount, and the staff knows the breakdowns we had all year up front in protection cost us 2-3 wins.
In fairness for all the wailing going on about our transfers out, we've done a really nice job in the portal. I think we've even improved on the guys we lost.
Any Oline w/ E'marion Harris starting is not a good line.
Harris would be better as a guard than as a tackle. That's always our problem and a lot of other programs can't get legit tackles to play that position against today's edge rushers.
Quote from: red death on Jan 05, 2025, 12:04 AMAgree. I do like the strategy for sure.
Don't look now but we've got some really nice pieces, especially the tackles.
It's obvious protecting Taylen next year is paramount, and the staff knows the breakdowns we had all year up front in protection cost us 2-3 wins.
In fairness for all the wailing going on about our transfers out, we've done a really nice job in the portal. I think we've even improved on the guys we lost.
Hopefully they gel before we play the Klansmen. The problem with the portal is that although we get some guys that look good and have some experience, they are not on the same page during the game.
This happens more and more. Hell, ya'll say wait till March for our basketball to get it together!
Not going to build much consistency these days with the portal and NIL these days, let alone BLS.
Catalon to Missouri
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 05, 2025, 10:53 AMCatalon to Missouri
No way he has eligibility left.
He is going on his fourth school. Pretty crazy when you consider he spent three years at Arkansas.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 05, 2025, 10:53 AMCatalon to Missouri
How the hell does he still have eligibility left?
Edit - guess he got a medical redshirt for 2022. That plus the covid year gets him to the 2025 season.
He's been an early and successful adopter of the nil culture. I don't blame him for maximizing his value while he has some, because the NFL doesn't want an undersized safety with bad shoulders. He played hard while he was here which makes him okay in my book.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 05, 2025, 11:44 AMHe's been an early and successful adopter of the nil culture. I don't blame him for maximizing his value while he has some, because the NFL doesn't want an undersized safety with bad shoulders. He played hard while he was here which makes him okay in my book.
Agree. It's too bad he didn't come back to Arkansas.
Dubinion to App State. Was he asked to leave? Goodness.
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Did he lose a bet? Wow!
Quote from: Spiderham on Jan 05, 2025, 10:39 PMDid he lose a bet? Wow!
Going to play for Dowell Loggains
Also Dubinion is mostly good for going down at first contact.
Quote from: animal on Jan 06, 2025, 06:09 AMAlso Dubinion is mostly good for going down at first contact.
Not before fumbling
Quote from: Feral on Jan 06, 2025, 09:18 PMNot before fumbling
Some people need both hands to catch themselves when they fall. Its just good safety practice.
Wow Carson Beck to the portal instead of the draft.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 09, 2025, 01:24 PMWow Carson Beck to the portal instead of the draft.
Will probably get paid more.
(Serious comment)
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 09, 2025, 02:21 PMWill probably get paid more.
(Serious comment)
Obviously his draft grade was probably that of a late rounder. I've not been impressed that's for sure. So being an experienced P4 QB can at least get him paid 1 mill and up for a season. What's a late round pick's contract in the NFL? I'm thinking 400 to 500k per? Something like that. There are UDFA's that technically get larger contracts but they usually don't stick so it's all semantics.
he broke his elbow on his throwing arm. his value in the draft went down because of it obviously, but before the injury he was projected as a 2nd rounder.
a second rounder in this year's draft will get a contract between $10.6 and 6.3 million. no nil deal is paying him that.
he'll go to tosu or miami and get his stock back up.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 09, 2025, 01:24 PMWow Carson Beck to the portal instead of the draft.
https://x.com/ihatebbls/status/1877440630470664566?s=42
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 09, 2025, 03:51 PMhe'll go to tosu or miami and get his stock back up.
probably Miami because poon is undefeated
unless she ditched him as his stock dropped
Miami was the right guess.
AJ Green returning as a walk-on and will be a DB and not a RB allegedly. Also he will not be playing for Georgia against Arkansas nor will he be needed...
if he had stuck to playing db out of high school, his collegiate career would probably been a whole lot different.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2024, 01:15 PMPretty remarkable how the landscape of getting players has changed. Almost overnight.
This morning's paper said we have 37 new players on campus in January. 18 are signees from the class of '25; 19 are transferees.
If we ever use a redshirt again. Or even think about a plan, Sam should be fired.
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We got an undersized TE from Montana State. go hog
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 12, 2025, 03:40 PMWe got an undersized TE from Montana State. go hog
same size as hasz. 30 catches for 470yds and 9 td. had offers from kentucky, louisville, ucla, indiana, and north carolina.
have to wait and see how petrino uses the guy.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 12, 2025, 03:40 PMWe got an undersized TE from Montana State. go hog
Born in Montreal. He's going to love August in Arkansas.
Got another juco TE for Taylen to not throw passes to:
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 13, 2025, 05:08 PMGot another juco TE for Taylen to not throw passes to:
He'll do great at next year's Liberty Bowl.
Kidding of course.
We probably won't win six games.
Any rumors on kutas? Aren't most teams full up?
Quote from: BASS on Jan 13, 2025, 06:19 PMAny rumors on kutas? Aren't most teams full up?
dude committed to ole miss a month ago.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 13, 2025, 05:08 PMGot another juco TE for Taylen to not throw passes to:
He will transfer to Ole Miss.
This will throw a great big wrench into most schools plans. Not surprised but the whole situation is FUBAR.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43443976/dept-education-says-title-ix-applies-payments-athletes
Some of the article:
The plans that many major college athletic departments are making for how they will distribute new direct payments to their athletes would violate Title IX law, according to a memo published by the U.S. Department of Education on Thursday.The memo provides some long-awaited guidance about how gender equity laws will apply to a new era of college sports that is on track to begin this summer. It's not clear if the Department of Education will interpret Title IX law the same way when incoming President Donald Trump's administration installs new officials in the near future.The NCAA and its power conferences have agreed to allow each school to share up to $20.5 million in direct payments to its athletes via name, image and likeness deals as one of the terms of a pending antitrust settlement. Many schools from those power conferences have developed plans to distribute the majority of that money to athletes in sports that generate the most revenue -- mostly football and men's basketball players.Majority of Power 5 schools tweeted about men's teams more than women's[/url]
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In some cases, athletic directors have publicly shared that they intend to provide upward of 75% of that money to their football players.However, the Office for Civil Rights -- the division of the Department of Education that enforces Title IX law -- said in its memo Thursday that those future payments should be considered "athletic financial assistance" and therefore must be shared proportionally between men and women athletes."When a school provides athletic financial assistance in forms other than scholarships or grants, including compensation for the use of a student-athlete's NIL, such assistance also must be made proportionately available to male and female athletes," the memo said
Wondered when Civil Rights would rear its head on this. If I was a male athlete, I'd sue to keep all of the money among males. Their argument that they produce all the money is true. Why let them take from you?
Quote from: Spiderham on Jan 16, 2025, 07:17 PMThis will throw a great big wrench into most schools plans. Not surprised but the whole situation is FUBAR.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43443976/dept-education-says-title-ix-applies-payments-athletes
Some of the article:
The plans that many major college athletic departments are making for how they will distribute new direct payments to their athletes would violate Title IX law, according to a memo published by the U.S. Department of Education on Thursday.
The memo provides some long-awaited guidance about how gender equity laws will apply to a new era of college sports that is on track to begin this summer. It's not clear if the Department of Education will interpret Title IX law the same way when incoming President Donald Trump's administration installs new officials in the near future.
The NCAA and its power conferences have agreed to allow each school to share up to $20.5 million in direct payments to its athletes via name, image and likeness deals as one of the terms of a pending antitrust settlement. Many schools from those power conferences have developed plans to distribute the majority of that money to athletes in sports that generate the most revenue -- mostly football and men's basketball players.
Majority of Power 5 schools tweeted about men's teams more than women's[/url]
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In some cases, athletic directors have publicly shared that they intend to provide upward of 75% of that money to their football players.
However, the Office for Civil Rights -- the division of the Department of Education that enforces Title IX law -- said in its memo Thursday that those future payments should be considered "athletic financial assistance" and therefore must be shared proportionally between men and women athletes.
"When a school provides athletic financial assistance in forms other than scholarships or grants, including compensation for the use of a student-athlete's NIL, such assistance also must be made proportionately available to male and female athletes," the memo said
The Woopig brain trust has been calling this for a while now. The lesbians have to get their cut one way or the other.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 16, 2025, 08:45 PMWondered when Civil Rights would rear its head on this. If I was a male athlete, I'd sue to keep all of the money among males. Their argument that they produce all the money is true. Why let them take from you?
It seems like common sense that more expense should be allocated towards the sports that actually produce the revenue, but this is the government we're talking about.
What's the workaround. School "sponsored" athletic departments that aren't actually part of the school? Sell RRS to Wal-Mart Tyson JV and let them hire thyou coaches and players away into a private corporation?
I thought the schools weren't allowed to be "associated" with NIL payments and that was how they were going to get around Title IX?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 17, 2025, 07:52 AMWhat's the workaround. School "sponsored" athletic departments that aren't actually part of the school? Sell RRS to Wal-Mart Tyson JV and let them hire thyou coaches and players away into a private corporation?
You would likely have to end athletic scholarships. Give them revenue sharing to pay for their school.
Even then I doubt it would work. Some enterprising lawyers would see it for the workaround it is and find a favorable judge to take it all down.
Unlv's staying QB that quit the team at the beginning of the season over nil had landed at...
James Madison. The grass is not always greener, despite what you're agent/manager/Dad says.
Sometimes you're not worth what you're overinflated ego thinks you are.
"When a school provides athletic financial assistance in forms other than scholarships or grants, including compensation for the use of a student-athlete's NIL, such assistance also must be made proportionately available to male and female athletes," the memo said
So, if I'm Joe College and I have a NIL deal for MY "name, image, likeness" I gotta share it with the girls on the basketball program or Julian on the soccer team? It's my name, image, likeness that's being profited from not anyone else's.
Quote from: dhog on Jan 17, 2025, 09:02 AM"When a school provides athletic financial assistance in forms other than scholarships or grants, including compensation for the use of a student-athlete's NIL, such assistance also must be made proportionately available to male and female athletes," the memo said
So, if I'm Joe College and I have a NIL deal for MY "name, image, likeness" I gotta share it with the girls on the basketball program or Julian on the soccer team? It's my name, image, likeness that's being profited from not anyone else's.
Because that's not what it is any more. If Joe College truly has unilateral NIL deals with private companies, that's not subject to Title IX.
If Joe College is getting paid for being a football player through the university in any way, then that's not NIL and Title IX is invoked.
It's all a stupid bunch of shit that has ruined college athletics (Title IX also). Like someone else mentioned in one of the two threads, the only money solution is semi-pro teams unaffiliated with universities. But as someone else mentioned, a bunch of superior athletes playing as the NWA Badass Hogs in the new Walmart Stadium, will never have the brand equity or following of THEEEESE are your Arkansas RAYYYYYYZORBACKS.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 31, 2024, 02:11 PMhttps://x.com/mzenitz/status/1874185109920006469
This will fuel the anti-Pittman fire.
Has James signed anywhere?
Quote from: animal on Jan 17, 2025, 12:35 PMCal
Well, at least we got one good game out of him.
The portal must be racist or something. The next two-way Travis Hunter-type player is going to play for both teams in the same drive.
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-wisconsin-db-xavier-lucas-leaving-school-for-miami-without-entering-transfer-portal-in-a-groundbreaking-move-222228590.html
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 17, 2025, 06:27 PMThe portal must be racist or something. The next two-way Travis Hunter-type player is going to play for both teams in the same drive.
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-wisconsin-db-xavier-lucas-leaving-school-for-miami-without-entering-transfer-portal-in-a-groundbreaking-move-222228590.html
If this shit continues, "college" football will have to take a break to sort this shit out. It is getting out of hand already.
A premier league is inevitable at this point. The NFL can kiss their cheap farm league goodbye.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 17, 2025, 07:43 AMThe Woopig brain trust has been calling this for a while now. The lesbians have to get their cut one way or the other.
It seems like common sense that more expense should be allocated towards the sports that actually produce the revenue, but this is the government we're talking about.
Very easy solution. Just have half the football team identify as Trans-Female and give all the money to the football, would work out 50-50 and solve the problem. I mean, that is where we are heading anyway with this trans shit, "Gender" means nothing when it comes to title IX when you can change yours.
Hell, half our football team played like bitches anyway so it wouldn't be a hard sell.
The courts and the legislatures have basically invalidated all the rules that make fair competition possible.
Might as well use this for basketball, too.
I see that Derrian Ford has just entered the portal (again). I suspect we have no interest in him.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 25, 2025, 10:33 AMMight as well use this for basketball, too.
I see that Derrian Ford has just entered the portal (again). I suspect we have no interest in him.
Following the coach?
we have the #1 pg and #2 sg coming in. if wagner comes back, we would probably try for someone like davis and maybe an end of the bench dude at guard.
we're going to need front court players.
Quote from: Lurk on Mar 25, 2025, 10:34 AMFollowing the coach?
I now see that Pinion, Dunning, and Moore are also leaving A-State. Probably following the coach.
Wonder why Derrian's little brother isn't with them?
I would love to get Wagner back but don't see it with the freshman guards coming in. We need to get Lamar Wilkerson and at least 2 stud big men. That assumes Richmond and Knox return. I'm not sure if Brazile and/or Big Z come back.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Mar 25, 2025, 11:01 AMI would love to get Wagner back but don't see it with the freshman guards coming in. We need to get Lamar Wilkerson and at least 2 stud big men. That assumes Richmond and Knox return. I'm not sure if Brazile and/or Big Z come back.
I'm sure Brazile will not come back. No real feeling on Big Z.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 25, 2025, 11:01 AMI now see that Pinion, Dunning, and Moore are also leaving A-State. Probably following the coach.
Wonder why Derrian's little brother isn't with them?
Pretty sure he's still in high school?
yeah, i think wagner and knox are probably are probably getting some 'get more playing time' noise from other teams. wagner is really close with cal so who knows.
brazile i think gets another combine invite. if he can get a 2nd round grade, he should go. z is just a mystery. imo he really hasn't done much to justify taking a roster spot another year.
Quote from: HughJasole on Mar 25, 2025, 11:05 AMPretty sure he's still in high school?
no, he played for A-State this year
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 25, 2025, 11:14 AMno, he played for A-State this year
Derrian did. Dreyden was still at Magnolia. Dunning was at South Alabama.
Dunning had a strong ending to the season. Had a 46 pt game where he hit 9 3s.
Quote from: HughJasole on Mar 25, 2025, 12:06 PMDerrian did. Dreyden was still at Magnolia. Dunning was at South Alabama.
You are apparently correct. Terrance Ford Jr was also on the A-state team. But he is not Derrian's brother, as I thought. Terrance is from Chicago.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 25, 2025, 11:06 AMyeah, i think wagner and knox are probably are probably getting some 'get more playing time' noise from other teams. wagner is really close with cal so who knows.
brazile i think gets another combine invite. if he can get a 2nd round grade, he should go. z is just a mystery. imo he really hasn't done much to justify taking a roster spot another year.
Knox will get the majority of the minutes at the 3 next year. He'll get other offers but I expect him back unless he attempts to go pro.
I'm being greedy with Wagner but we'll need a veteran ball handler to rotate with the freshmen. There just may not be enough minutes for all.
Brazile will definitely test the waters again but if he doesn't get a guarantee we'd certainly bring him back. I agree that Z is a total mystery.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Mar 25, 2025, 01:10 PMKnox will get the majority of the minutes at the 3 next year. He'll get other offers but I expect him back unless he attempts to go pro.
I'm being greedy with Wagner but we'll need a veteran ball handler to rotate with the freshmen. There just may not be enough minutes for all.
Brazile will definitely test the waters again but if he doesn't get a guarantee we'd certainly bring him back. I agree that Z is a total mystery.
I think Brazile will go pro, but they may want to see another year to prove he's not a head case.
Quote from: HughJasole on Mar 25, 2025, 12:06 PMDerrian did. Dreyden was still at Magnolia. Dunning was at South Alabama.
Those D's come at you so fast, it will mess you up, Chuck.
We make an elite 8 I think the panties will drop and the NIL money will flow. So I reckon a few of these cats will stay in school.
I'm mixed on Z because I think he's going to be one of those dudes that eventually will figure some shit out and be a pretty dang decent player. I doubt he'll ever be a legit starter at center (in the NBA and maybe not SEC) or anything like that but he could be more of a situational guy that gets 3s, blocks some shots, sets up some decent give and go stuff. I think having another Euro guy on the team next year will be big for both of them so my guess is Cal will try to keep Z. His biggest problem seems to be he goes thru full retard periods...loss of focus or something. I think the back has bothered him a lot so I imagine being in pain like that can really wreck your focus and yaunt too.
Absolutely want Knox and Richmond back
Wagner I could see coming back for one more season and be the starter at PG. The new kid is good and will probably play much in the same way we've handled Fland.
I think Fland and Adou obviously go pro and hopefully put some good stuff on tape in the Sweet 16, Elite 8, F4 etc.
Brazil I had no idea would still have a year coming to him next season...he may be one of those guys that gets more by staying in school but probably won't get it at Arkansas. I think he's a late 2nd round grade which is to say I'm not sure he's really raised his stock much. Being a late 2nd grade is real risky not taking that college money if you can get a solid 500k+ from somebody. That means you might get drafted and you might be playing in Fuckistan.
Give him minutes and he generally produces, defense still iffy, has never really developed into that star that it looked like he'd become
the last pick in the draft will get $2.15 million on a two year deal, guaranteed. that's before the increase in cap space and rookie exception that just got announced. no school is going to come close in nil for those guys.
since they can back out a week after the combine, players like brazile will either have a deal in place or not.
I haven't seen TB in any mocks in a good long while. I would love for him to come back and put together a whole season like he's had the 2nd half of conference play.
Z has been mostly out of them for a while now. He needs another year and offseason of serious speed, agility, strength, and core work...whether that be here or elsewhere. He can obviously put together better game film if he moves on to the Big 10 or Big East, but staying in the SEC and going against the bigs here is his best bet if he truly wants to have a legitimate shot at a long pro career that is not in Europe.
If Wagner can come back, we need him. He really runs the offense and can get by a defender as quick as anyone we have.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Mar 25, 2025, 04:54 PMIf Wagner can come back, we need him. He really runs the offense and can get by a defender as quick as anyone we have.
i agree but think we need another guard anyway.
i love how hard richmond plays but he's a turnover waiting to happen when he has to handle the ball.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 25, 2025, 04:57 PMi agree but think we need another guard anyway.
i love how hard richmond plays but he's a turnover waiting to happen when he has to handle the ball.
Like I and HognRock have said many times, we love Richmond. He is the "garbage man" like in Nolan's system and is very good at cleaning up under the boards. He does turn the ball over some, trying to handle it outside. But, I would want him back in a minute.
i definitely want him back, just not handling the ball as much as he's had to.
as far guards in the portal, someone already mentioned wilkerson. donovan dent from new mexico entered a bit ago. mw poy, 20 points and 6.4 assists per. 41% from 3. he's worth a serious look.
Acuff is gonna be the primary PG. Which means you likely won't get a kid like Dent.I think DJ tests the NBA waters and is probably 50/50 returning. I would be surprised if he transferred.
Acuff, Wagner, Thomas, Richmond, Knox and maybe one more guard. Preferably a shooter.
As of now you only got the Euro guy in the front court. That leaves probably 4 more spots. You definitely take Ament if he commits. That would leave spots for 3 bigs. Definitely need 2 true Centers.
That would be 11 NIL players. Don't see Cal going over that number.
he said 10 but might have to get one more.
i read the overseas guy may redshirt.
Yeah, he may land on 10 but I don't see more than 11.
Shit, I forgot Sealy. Another guard.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Mar 25, 2025, 07:29 PMAcuff is gonna be the primary PG. Which means you likely won't get a kid like Dent.I think DJ tests the NBA waters and is probably 50/50 returning. I would be surprised if he transferred.
Acuff, Wagner, Thomas, Richmond, Knox and maybe one more guard. Preferably a shooter.
As of now you only got the Euro guy in the front court. That leaves probably 4 more spots. You definitely take Ament if he commits. That would leave spots for 3 bigs. Definitely need 2 true Centers.
That would be 11 NIL players. Don't see Cal going over that number.
It's like you're in my head. One sniper and put the main focus on bigs. Preferably at least one that is 21+ y/o and a man's man.
I don't think we're getting Ament.
the aussie from south dakota st. is currently the #1 player in the portal according to on3.
6'11", 260. 17.6 pts and 12.3 boards. 63% fg. dude plays like a mens on both ends of the court.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Mar 25, 2025, 08:57 PMIt's like you're in my head. One sniper and put the main focus on bigs. Preferably at least one that is 21+ y/o and a man's man.
I don't think we're getting Ament.
Not the end of the world if we don't. Keep the door open if TB wants to return. I like the idea of transfer bigs over freshmen anyways.
The Pippen who is leaving Michigan hasn't played a minute in the NCAA tournament. Even in the last game, several players got "0 minutes" which indicates clearing your bench and getting a bunch of guys at the end of the bench to say they played in the NCAA tournament. He was not one of them.
So it seems him transferring was a known thing, and it wouldn't be a big deal. Probably good riddance.
FWIW, on his podcast yesterday Curtis Wilkerson said that Knox is the most likely to return and that TB would be second. He said other schools have been trying hard to poach Richmond and Wagner but that Cal obviously wants them to return. No mention of Z at all.
Chicken man better throw some money to those 2. Richmond is my favorite but Wagner is a very close second. Coincidentally, both of their fathers played for Cal so I would think that would help us to a degree.
i'm thinking this sweet 16 run has tyson inclined to toss a little more into the pot.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 26, 2025, 10:41 AMi'm thinking this sweet 16 run has tyson inclined to toss a little more into the pot.
Be nice if it inclined some of the other rich people in the state to drop a penny or two.
Quote from: bigpig on Mar 26, 2025, 10:48 AMBe nice if it inclined some of the other rich people in the state to drop a penny or two.
And HTL goes AWOL when we need him the most.
Quote from: aaron on Mar 26, 2025, 10:52 AMAnd HTL goes AWOL when we need him the most.
What if he tried to act like he does here in real life?
He might be recovering somewhere.
Probably sitting on his yacht out in the middle of Lake Hamilton... :D
Well as I previously mentioned that liberal weirdo on X.com went missing about 2 weeks ago (Harry Sisson)...so I'm not saying the two are connected but I'm not not saying that either.
Quote from: Hognrock on Mar 26, 2025, 10:38 AMChicken man better throw some money to those 2. Richmond is my favorite but Wagner is a very close second. Coincidentally, both of their fathers played for Cal so I would think that would help us to a degree.
I think I saw Chickenman on TV while I was watching the St. John's game. If it were him, he seemed to be enjoying the game.
Quote from: animal on Mar 26, 2025, 11:39 AMWell as I previously mentioned that liberal weirdo on X.com went missing about 2 weeks ago (Harry Sisson)...so I'm not saying the two are connected but I'm not not saying that either.
Sissyn is apparently on the shelf for asking
females to send him nudes - definitely not htl.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Mar 26, 2025, 10:03 AMFWIW, on his podcast yesterday Curtis Wilkerson said that Knox is the most likely to return and that TB would be second. He said other schools have been trying hard to poach Richmond and Wagner but that Cal obviously wants them to return. No mention of Z at all.
Anybody that gets caught trying to poach our players needs to find a horse head in their bed.
so, as far as lamar wilkerson goes, it seems like it's gone from 'we're in great shape' to it's going to come down to the $$.
his agent said yesterday that in addition to arkansas he has been contacted by duke, kentucky, bama, kansas, louisville, houston, and a few others. he'll wait until after the final four to decide who he visits.
One to watch:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906053837133394206
I still think Quaintance will get in the portal w/ the way things are going at Arizona State, but he is going to require big-time $$$.
He would be a nice get. Rumor is Auburn. Believe they were the runner up for him.
Quote from: Guardrail on Mar 27, 2025, 08:45 AMAnybody that gets caught trying to poach our players needs to find a horse head in their bed.
Damn bro. Why you gotta go there.
Quote from: Borenutz on Mar 29, 2025, 09:23 PMDamn bro. Why you gotta go there.
We mafia now.
https://x.com/SSN_Arkansas/status/1906782676193014057
Big Z is gone.
not unexpected. might still declare for the nba.
had one of the guys at the end of the bench enter a couple of days ago, played in one game. thats two spots open so far.
Could have been encouraged to enter the portal. Might not have had a choice.
I don't like it. I think Z has more upside than down and did contribute a lot this season.
a 7'2" guy that shoots threes but get's pushed around under the basket is kind of a novelty. we need bangers and he didn't show he could be that.
supposedly three will declare but not enter the portal, and one contributor might still make the jump.
No surprise there. Wish the kid the best
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Mar 31, 2025, 02:13 PMCould have been encouraged to enter the portal. Might not have had a choice.
I can definitely see this being the rare but valid mutual decision.
If we can pull off a "trade" where Z goes to play w/ his brother and we get the PF from Illinois in return, it would be a win.
Several bigs have gone in the portal today, including Efton Reid, guy that played at LSU, Gonzaga, then Wake Forest.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Mar 31, 2025, 03:27 PMIf we can pull off a "trade" where Z goes to play w/ his brother and we get the PF from Illinois in return, it would be a win.
Several bigs have gone in the portal today, including Efton Reid, guy that played at LSU, Gonzaga, then Wake Forest.
He sounds loyal.
He was pretty big time coming out of high school and was part of Will Wade's last class at LSU, so you know he does things for the right reasons.
Quote from: Gambler on Mar 31, 2025, 03:34 PMHe sounds loyal.
He's on the nationwide tour apparently. It's unfortunate what college sports has become. They need a 1 time transfer rule and maybe throw in another transfer option if you graduate. That would be 3 schools and reward a kid for graduating.
I would imagine Z got told to shop himself around.
beyond that I have no idea about any of these guys. I literally watched very little college basketball these season or last. But I'm sure going to comment about it in this thread. :stache:
Z may not have been a real inside banger, but he did block a lot of shots and altered many others.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Mar 31, 2025, 03:27 PMIf we can pull off a "trade" where Z goes to play w/ his brother and we get the PF from Illinois in return, it would be a win.
looks like cal really wants that guy.
I liked Z. I was hopeful he would come back.
I hope we get a big that is actually "big" and not just "lanky and awkward."
I'm somewhat indifferent about it. He had a unique role that he excelled in at times and completely whiffed in at times. It's always good to have a 7'2" guy on your college roster but he was never going to get the minutes he wanted here. He can be a regular starter in a conference that is not the SEC. Wish him well.
Quote from: bigpig on Mar 31, 2025, 07:26 PMI hope we get a big that is actually "big" and not just "lanky and awkward."
I hope we get 2 of those.
The PF from IL reminds me of the Quintance kid that went to ASU for a bag.
I've been searching for Quaintance portal news every day for a week. He's not long for ASU nor is Bobby Hurley who is probably going to get canned after losing in the CBC tonight. Would love to land JQ but it's going to cost a lot.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Mar 31, 2025, 07:17 PMI liked Z. I was hopeful he would come back.
Z got us thru February and it was something to behold. Except the Auburn game where he couldn't hit water if he dove in it.
But he went nuts there for a minute. 28 against Bama, 25 Lsu, 20 mizzou, 18 at Texas.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1906928615578640804
So I reckon this guy thinks he can make more in college.
actually he's on very few mock drafts so yeah, he's probably going to make more at another year of college than he would as a ufa.
fun fact: self's worst two seasons at kansas have been with him as a starter.
Quote from: animal on Apr 01, 2025, 06:25 AMhttps://x.com/CBKReport/status/1906928615578640804
So I reckon this guy thinks he can make more in college.
I'm betting that 11:36 PM is from your timeline, and the person who posted it was on Eastern Time.
Remember what day it is.
I'll believe nothing that is posted today.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 01, 2025, 08:13 AMI'll believe nothing that is posted most todays.
Fixed it for you. ;D
Also true
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 01, 2025, 07:53 AMI'm betting that 11:36 PM is from your timeline, and the person who posted it was on Eastern Time.
Remember what day it is.
So are you saying someone lied on the internet?
https://x.com/scottybscout/status/1907202981327438276
apparently the staff was really wanting that kid. unfortunately he didn't really want them.
Yep. That one stings.
We didn't want him anyway.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Mar 31, 2025, 10:39 PMI've been searching for Quaintance portal news every day for a week. He's not long for ASU nor is Bobby Hurley who is probably going to get canned after losing in the CBC tonight. Would love to land JQ but it's going to cost a lot.
Here ya go. Will be interesting to see how this impacts his suitors. Considering how this season went, Cal may stay away.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1907451146433659346?t=Pe9AxV4eIL_b6dkRySu3CQ&s=19 (https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1907451146433659346?t=Pe9AxV4eIL_b6dkRySu3CQ&s=19)
Yeah, that sucks. I had enough injury/re-injury news this past season to last me a while. Not worth the risk nor money if we can find another couple of healthy bigs in the portal.
And it goes without saying, but we didn't want him anyway.
Take him and quietly tell him if he performs super duper well he'll get a prize in his crackerjack box at the end of the season. All on the dl of course. Some recruiting nerds yesterday said Arkansas' priority is to retain Theiro, Wagner, Brazil, Richmond, and Knox. I'm not sure Theiro makes himself into a 1st rounder by playing another year of college ball but it can't hurt provided he continues to progress and stay healthy.
theiro is already a late 1st rounder on a lot mock drafts. no worse than early 2nd. if that's the case, nil can't compete with that. i think it will depend if he's healthy enough to do the combine/workout stuff.
brazile will be 25 when the 26-27 nba season begins, he'll lose a bunch of what little leverage he has by taking that chance. he's never going to be anything other than a rotation player at the next level so if he gets offered a 2nd round deal it would be silly for him to come back.
word is the two freshman costs a small fortune, and if ahment somehow does come to arkansas, he damn sure won't be cheap. i guess we'll have to see how deep chicken man is willing to dig to keep all those guys. i hope they all come back but if the reports of cal reaching out to so many guys are true, he must expect some of them won't be here next season.
Everyone go buy some chicken.
Keyshawn Hall to Vanburn
Quote from: Gambler on Apr 02, 2025, 03:48 PMEveryone go buy some chicken.
Razorback nuggets and tusk beer !
If the colleges really wanted to get control of the unlimited transfer portal, wouldn't their academic side simply assert superiority over the athletic side by refusing admission to "student-athletes" who transfer over and over and over? Use some bullshit reason about inadequate prior progress toward a degree, or for the better schools you don't meet our academic requirements. Whatever.
they already have to meet academic requirements. since a lot of them take fours years to get their undergraduate degree, if at all, (or just go pro), the requirements aren't all that stringent. grad transfers have to have a bachelor's.
they can't make it any harder than it is for a student that doesn't play sports.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 03, 2025, 11:43 AMthey already have to meet academic requirements. since a lot of them take fours years to get their undergraduate degree, if at all, (or just go pro), the requirements aren't all that stringent. grad transfers have to have a bachelor's.
they can't make it any harder than it is for a student that doesn't play sports.
If I, as a non-athlete, wanted to transfer from Arkansas to Michigan to Seton Hall to Tulsa in 4 consecutive years, would I be able to get in to each school? I have never tried it or heard of anyone trying it, but I would somewhat doubt it. Why should athletes be different?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 03, 2025, 12:05 PMIf I, as a non-athlete, wanted to transfer from Arkansas to Michigan to Seton Hall to Tulsa in 4 consecutive years, would I be able to get in to each school? I have never tried it or heard of anyone trying it, but I would somewhat doubt it. Why should athletes be different?
if you have the credits, and meet their admissions (not to mention paying the tuitions), yes you can transfer those credits with no problems. there's probably more than you think that have done it. not sure why you think athletes are getting treated differently.
academics will not be something used in trying to reign in the portal.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 03, 2025, 12:22 PMnot sure why you think athletes are getting treated differently.
Because athletes always get special dispensation to be admitted, when regular folks in the same situation would not be.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 03, 2025, 11:32 AMIf the colleges really wanted to get control of the unlimited transfer portal, wouldn't their academic side simply assert superiority over the athletic side by refusing admission to "student-athletes" who transfer over and over and over? Use some bullshit reason about inadequate prior progress toward a degree, or for the better schools you don't meet our academic requirements. Whatever.
I agree that there needs to be something done. I'm looking at this from an academic standard and wonder how these universities can really certify that this person has met their standards for earning an undergrad degree when often times the student hasn't stayed anywhere for any real length of time. So one fix if you will would be to declare that ANY student at that given university MUST earn at least 51% of their credit hours with them and not somewhere else or that they can only transfer up to 49% of the degree hours. OR whatever percentage they deem most appropriate and meets tranditional norms. For all I know this is already the case but if that's true then how in the hell are we seeing student-athletes hopping from one school to the next each season with degree progress that's likely laughable at best.
Quote from: animal on Apr 03, 2025, 12:52 PMhow in the hell are we seeing students hopping from one school to the next each season with degree progress that's likely laughable at best.
You get my point, and I edited your comment to focus my point. It doesn't really matter that they're athletes. How can undergraduate students keep transferring from school to school to school to school to school to school?
who seriously gives a fuck if taylen green or johnelle davis or charles davalon have truly done what they are supposed to academically as long as they do what we want them to do on the field, court, or diamond?
do the requirements get bent for athletes? sure, but that was happening decades before the transfer portal. regular students do not directly contribute to what has become a multi billion dollar industry.
i don't see academics being a mechanism for change in the portal which would affect ALL students, just because some don't like the portal.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 03, 2025, 01:23 PMwho seriously gives a fuck if taylen green or johnelle davis or charles davalon have truly done what they are supposed to academically as long as they do what we want them to do on the field, court, or diamond?
do the requirements get bent for athletes? sure, but that was happening decades before the transfer portal. regular students do not directly contribute to what has become a multi billion dollar industry.
i don't see academics being a mechanism for change in the portal which would affect ALL students, just because some don't like the portal.
We 100% agree that it ain't happening, because the tail don't wag that dog.
Remember my original premise -- IF academic types want to get this shit under control, this is a way to do it.
The fact that it isn't going to happen, is evidence that they don't want to get this shit under control.
To me continual transfers make a mockery of higher education and what these institutions are supposed to be about, and if I was an academic I would care about that and want to do something about it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 03, 2025, 12:31 PMBecause athletes always get special dispensation to be admitted, when regular folks in the same situation would not be.
Pretty sure the admission standards to Georgia Tech are different between academic students and athletic students.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 03, 2025, 01:35 PMWe 100% agree that it ain't happening, because the tail don't wag that dog.
Remember my original premise -- IF academic types want to get this shit under control, this is a way to do it.
The fact that it isn't going to happen, is evidence that they don't want to get this shit under control.
To me continual transfers make a mockery of higher education and what these institutions are supposed to be about, and if I was an academic I would care about that and want to do something about it.
not going to disagree with any of that.
there could be some change coming. i saw an interview with sankey on dan patrick and he hinted that something could be conditioned in with the house settlement in regards to settlement money and players transferring. we'll see here shortly.
Ladybacks got a transfer from Mayberry's daughter out of KU.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Apr 02, 2025, 08:11 PMRazorback nuggets and tusk beer !
Does the Tusk beer guy give a lot? How is that beer anyway? Anyone tried it?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 03, 2025, 01:39 PMPretty sure the admission standards to Georgia Tech are different between academic students and athletic students.
It's usually explicit and it's not just athletes. High level musicians, celebrity kids, there are various categories that get a plus factor.
This was part of the basis for when some celebs went to jail for paying for entry to USC for their kids. Some were put "on the rowing team" despite never having set foot in a boat, as a means to admission.
Quote from: Pighair on Apr 03, 2025, 01:50 PMDoes the Tusk beer guy give a lot? How is that beer anyway? Anyone tried it?
It's ok. A step up from Budlight IMO.
Just for shits and grins, the official requirements to transfer to the UofA. I have no idea why the bold sentence is included in paragraph 2 when it pertains to paragraph 1.
All transfer students must meet the following requirements:
1. Have a cumulative GPA of at least 2.00 on all course work attempted;
2. Be eligible to return to the last institution attended. Grade-point average is calculated on all coursework attempted.
Students who have completed fewer than 24 transferable semester hours must, in addition to the above requirements, meet all requirements for freshman admission. Test scores and transcripts are also evaluated to determine whether State of Arkansas requirements for developmental course placement have been met.
Some places calculate gpa only on courses that apply to your major maybe?
is this really good for the student-athlete? In the context of academic pursuits
NO...how can it be? Sure there may be an edge case here and there where it really benefited the kid but the vast majority of these transfers make a mockery of the institution.
is this really good for the athlete? In the context of professional development and NIL money
YES...or at least it certainly can be. As a reminder at first this more or less started with grad transfers. It made a lot of sense. It rewarded kids for graduating and gave a good many an opportunity to go play in a big boy league or in some cases the opposite where a kid that didn't play much for a big school went down to a small school and balled out. It was a win win
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 03, 2025, 01:23 PMwho seriously gives a fuck if taylen green or johnelle davis or charles davalon have truly done what they are supposed to academically as long as they do what we want them to do on the field, court, or diamond?
This right here. The only time this nonsense gets brought up is when some dipshit doesn't want to fire a loser coach. "Well, graduation rates, blah blah blah..." MA and Coach Cheeseburger come to mind. They're graduating because you have built shitty teams, can't coach them, nobody else wants them, and they're not good enough to go pro...so they just stick around and graduate.
When millions of people start tuning in to graduations across the country every December and May, then we can have a different conversation.
Nobody cares. They are professionals now. Just win, baby.
Quote from: Pighair on Apr 03, 2025, 01:50 PMDoes the Tusk beer guy give a lot? How is that beer anyway? Anyone tried it?
A portion of proceeds go to Edge.
I like it. It is a Pilsner.
The razorbacks could promote it more.
https://arktimes.com/eat-arkansas/2024/08/09/goat-lab-brewery-launching-tusk-beer-in-partnership-with-razorbacks
Quote from: DrMongoose on Apr 03, 2025, 05:41 PMA portion of proceeds go to Edge.
I like it. It is a Pilsner.
The razorbacks could promote it more.
https://arktimes.com/eat-arkansas/2024/08/09/goat-lab-brewery-launching-tusk-beer-in-partnership-with-razorbacks
Should name it "There's Always Next Beer"
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 04, 2025, 09:28 AMShould name it "There's Always Next Beer"
nice.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 03, 2025, 01:23 PMwho seriously gives a fuck if taylen green or johnelle davis or charles davalon have truly done what they are supposed to academically as long as they do what we want them to do on the field, court, or diamond?
do the requirements get bent for athletes? sure, but that was happening decades before the transfer portal. regular students do not directly contribute to what has become a multi billion dollar industry.
i don't see academics being a mechanism for change in the portal which would affect ALL students, just because some don't like the portal.
Exactly. I mean, when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to see a kid do a damn chemistry experiment?
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 04, 2025, 09:28 AMShould name it "There's Always Next Beer"
:maundoed:
:this_is_woopig:
fland declares for the draft.
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 04, 2025, 09:28 AMShould name it "There's Always Next Beer"
:thumb_up:
apparently malique ewin from fsu is a name to look out for. 6'11', avg 14.2 & 7.6
Quote from: Papa Pigeritus on Apr 04, 2025, 09:49 AMExactly. I mean, when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to see a kid do a damn chemistry experiment?
8-6-45
some hustle has been shown in the thread today.
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 04, 2025, 09:28 AMShould name it "There's Always Next Beer"
Quote from: Gambler on Apr 04, 2025, 04:54 PM8-6-45
This is how you do the Woopigs. Excellent work gentlemen.
Quote from: Gambler on Apr 04, 2025, 04:54 PM8-6-45
:this_is_woopig: You broke the backboard.
Two of the best posts ever, on the same page. This should be memorialized somehow.
And, crap. We're already on another page.
Gems like those two are why I come back.
big z joins his brother at illinois.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 05, 2025, 06:04 PMbig z joins his brother at illinois.
I guess Illinois is not into chemistry experiments. This is rubbing two sticks together.
jayden quaintance to kentucky.
it looks like the staff wants to throw a lot of money at getting guys to return. and apparently we're still in it for nate ament.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 08, 2025, 09:31 AMjayden quaintance to kentucky.
it looks like the staff wants to throw a lot of money at getting guys to return. and apparently we're still in it for nate ament.
I'm a fan of it. Rather go with proven commodity than wait and see mode with new guys. And when we take portal guys, then get ones with experience in power conferences, like Pringle and the dude from FSU we are supposedly getting.
That is more or less what Cal has been talking about since getting hired...you can't build a culture by having to rebuild the roster every season so if we can cut that down to sustainable levels and have guys returning each season it's bound to help. Hopefully the donations to NIL are flowing in but as recent history suggest people get amnesia with alarming ease.
Thiero declares for draft. Hopefully he just wants to go through process but I'm guessing he keeps his name in.
Now comes the decision if do you overpay TB or go after a bigger fish. TB is good and can give you production and maybe they think they have him dialed in but to me he's just always going to be one of those guys that is gonna go thru head up ass stretches.
My best guess is they'll try to land that stud freshman that looks rail thin. I'd rather have some mens personally.
Quote from: HughJasole on Apr 08, 2025, 01:46 PMThiero declares for draft. Hopefully he just wants to go through process but I'm guessing he keeps his name in.
I hope he stays but he'll make a good pro.
Quote from: animal on Apr 08, 2025, 03:42 PMNow comes the decision if do you overpay TB or go after a bigger fish. TB is good and can give you production and maybe they think they have him dialed in but to me he's just always going to be one of those guys that is gonna go thru head up ass stretches.
My best guess is they'll try to land that stud freshman that looks rail thin. I'd rather have some mens personally.
We needs some mens, but we need an outside shooter. Preferably more than 1.
TB proved his worth at the end of the year. He can shoot it well fron 3. Pair him with a physical big down low. He can also give you minutes at the 5 if need be.
If he portals, he'll land at a HM school.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 08, 2025, 04:05 PMTB proved his worth at the end of the year. He can shoot it well fron 3. Pair him with a physical big down low. He can also give you minutes at the 5 if need be.
If he portals, he'll land at a HM school.
He certainly has NBA talent, but he's going to have to prove he's not divisive in the locker room. He'll have to show his talent is so great that it overwhelms the personal baggage.
However one feels about homosexuality, I suspect he will only play overseas after the antics of last year. Might as well come back.
I heard nothing of an issue with him this season.
The whole locker room was a shitshow in Muss's last year. Can't put that on TB. It sounds like the chemistry was really good this season. I wouldn't drastically overpay for him but definitely want him back. I would expect him to land at another SEC school if he hits the portal.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 08, 2025, 04:22 PMI heard nothing of an issue with him this season.
That's my point about proving he won't be a problem. Another year without incident would go a long way towards that. Mainly, he needs to play up to his talent level for a full year.
Agree on the full year part. I don't think he liked playing behind Thiero. I think he could be a 15/7 40% from 3 with 2 blocks kinda guy. Not many of those around.
they want brazile back whether they get ament or not. they are two completely different players.
and what incident happened two years ago that he was a part of?
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 08, 2025, 04:56 PMthey want brazile back whether they get ament or not. they are two completely different players.
and what incident happened two years ago that he was a part of?
Come on now...you know he was part of the lovers triangle rumors.
Think he is alluding to the Devo rumors.
lol. that whole thing was started by a missouri fan on one of the payboards and then nobville.
he posts on the rant and admitted to starting it.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 08, 2025, 05:01 PMlol. that whole thing was started by a missouri fan on one of the payboards and then nobville.
he posts on the rant and admitted to starting it.
Yeah, but it went viral whether it was true or not.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 08, 2025, 04:21 PMHe certainly has NBA talent, but he's going to have to prove he's not divisive in the locker room. He'll have to show his talent is so great that it overwhelms the personal baggage.
However one feels about homosexuality, I suspect he will only play overseas after the antics of last year. Might as well come back.
I don't know (or care) if he's gay or not, but if you're basing the idea that he is on what you read online, you're taking the word of 1) a bunch of Missouri fans who hate his guts due to the fact that he spurned their trash ass program and 2) a guy known for spreading bullshit rumors online.
If either of those sources told me that my wife is a biological female, I'd have to get a DNA check on her in spite of the fact that I've been fucking her for years and personally watched her bear my child.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 09, 2025, 08:25 AMI don't know (or care) if he's gay or not, but if you're basing the idea that he is on what you read online, you're taking the word of 1) a bunch of Missouri fans who hate his guts due to the fact that he spurned their trash ass program and 2) a guy known for spreading bullshit rumors online.
If either of those sources told me that my wife is a biological female, I'd have to get a DNA check on her in spite of the fact that I've been fucking her for years and personally watched her bear my child.
Easy there, don't shoot the messenger. It was pretty widely talked about all over, not just the internet. Even on this board. I want him to come back for another year and I don't care if he's sucked a mile of dick. I'm not sure the average nba player has my indifference to his sexuality.
This board has seemed to catch a bit of selective amnesia on this topic these days
I recall Devo and others on the team were being heckled by fans at multiple stops in the SEC (sense then implied :rainbow ) which is among the reasons speculated that Anthony Black was mouthing off to opposing fans and players that year developing a reputation as being a hot head where others insisted he was a good kid standing up for his teammates.
Given that I work in Jacksonville where Devo is from I can attest that there were rumors going back to around his senior year that the dude is bi-sexual. So how we made the leap to TB also being a puff and all that I reckon comes from that Missouri guy who was ironically butt hurt over TB leaving Mizzou. Then there's also I believe some rumors that stem back a ways for Tremon Mark being gay as well. Every single bit of it can be bullshit for all I know. Which is why it's best to probably get collective board amnesia on the subject. :stache:
One time around the fish bowl and members forget history.
Mark, TB, and Devo were rummored to be in a three way. Fuckers were painting their fingernails for goodness sakes.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 09, 2025, 10:56 AMOne time around the fish bowl and members forget history.
Mark, TB, and Devo were rummored to be in a three way. Fuckers were painting their fingernails for goodness sakes.
so did pinion (actually before anyone else). where's the talk about him being gay?
some of you need to admit you got trolled.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 09, 2025, 09:38 AMEasy there, don't shoot the messenger. It was pretty widely talked about all over, not just the internet. Even on this board. I want him to come back for another year and I don't care if he's sucked a mile of dick. I'm not sure the average nba player has my indifference to his sexuality.
Wasn't my intention to shoot the messenger...at least not in your case.
The messengers who initially started the rumors...shooting is well deserved (metaphorically of course).
Full confession: My big sister dressed me up as a girl doll when I was a little kid and I liked it. :stache: but that didn't make me gay
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 09, 2025, 11:12 AMso did pinion (actually before anyone else). where's the talk about him being gay?
some of you need to admit you got trolled.
It was 100% a troll job. Clearly they were not gay. Ghey maybe, but not gay.
Last 2 pages....yeah we need some portal news one way or another.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/magic-s-late-season-reliance-on-anthony-black-is-what-he-signed-up-for/ar-AA1CxDdP?ocid=BingNewsSerp[/url
The mention of Anthony Black made me curious about how he is doing. Answer: not bad (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/magic-s-late-season-reliance-on-anthony-black-is-what-he-signed-up-for/ar-AA1CxDdP?ocid=BingNewsSerp)
Quote from: animal on Apr 09, 2025, 12:29 PMFull confession: My big sister dressed me up as a girl doll when I was a little kid and I liked it.
This is one of the funniest posts I have read on here in a while. Well done sir.
Quote from: piglosopher on Apr 09, 2025, 02:27 PMLast 2 pages....yeah we need some portal news one way or another.
looks like nick pringle will be our first get out of the portal.
lamar wilkerson will not visit.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 09, 2025, 09:32 PMlooks like nick pringle will be our first get out of the portal.
would be a good start if we want to stack a few
Quote from: egregious on Apr 09, 2025, 10:38 PMwould be a good start if we want to stack a few
Once you have one Pringle, you want 7 more.
Jesus Christ
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19 (https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19)
Are we gonna take Pringle and Malique Ewin?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 10, 2025, 04:51 PMJesus Christ
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19 (https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19)
Absurd. Maybe we can get him for $3.5MM.
Quote from: animal on Apr 10, 2025, 05:21 PMAre we gonna take Pringle and Malique Ewin?
looking like it.
fwiw i read that mcpherson said that both of those guy's paperwork have been done, just waiting on the commits. dead period ends tonight and cal has always said he wants his players to commit on campus, so maybe this weekend they'll announce. or go to kentucky at the last minute.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 10, 2025, 06:02 PMlooking like it.
fwiw i read that mcpherson said that both of those guy's paperwork have been done, just waiting on the commits. dead period ends tonight and cal has always said he wants his players to commit on campus, so maybe this weekend they'll announce. or go to kentucky at the last minute.
https://x.com/tiptonedits/status/1910456884974543141
Does McPherson actually know anything?
should have known better.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Apr 10, 2025, 06:19 PMDoes McPherson actually know anything?
I blocked that guy years ago.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 10, 2025, 04:51 PMJesus Christ
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19 (https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 10, 2025, 04:51 PMJesus Christ
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19 (https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19)
I would like to see said contract that is not binding despite both parties signing.
If the player contracts are not accountable then how are the contracts coaches sign? Or any contract?
I think by some kind of agreement with the NCAA the NIL "contracts" these players sign are non-binding. So I'm not entirely sure what that means but I'm sure the agents who represent these athletes do. The thing I've never been overly clear on is if these kids are getting a lot of money up front or is it typically trickled in over the course of a academic year. It would make more sense for these NIL givers to not drop a lot of non-binding coin on a kid that's not even enrolled in school etc.
nil deals cannot prevent a player from entering the portal. and since texas doesn't allow schools to pay players directly, if there was any 'one million dollar' agreement signed, it would have to have been with a booster or their collective.
the guy in the video says this is happening a lot right now, so i kind of doubt any actual cash had been paid out.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 11, 2025, 08:07 AMnil deals cannot prevent a player from entering the portal.
Why not? Or at least, why couldn't they, since I haven't actually read any of them? Many contracts contain a penalty clause. Very simple. If you play for Texas next year I'll give you a million dollars. If you don't play anywhere, nobody pays anything. If you play for another school, you owe me a million dollars.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2025, 08:34 AMWhy not? Or at least, why couldn't they, since I haven't actually read any of them? Many contracts contain a penalty clause. Very simple. If you play for Texas next year I'll give you a million dollars. If you don't play anywhere, nobody pays anything. If you play for another school, you owe me a million dollars.
ncaa rules allow athletes to enter the portal regardless of their nil agreement(s). that's something that might be changed in the house settlement but how it might happen is very much up in the air.
"NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals are distinct from traditional athletic contracts in college sports. While NIL deals allow athletes to monetize their personal brand, they are not contracts tied to their athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school. NIL contracts are essentially marketing agreements where athletes are compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness."
like i said, if this deal was done it had to be between their collective or a booster. what recourse, if any, would be up to the deal and the parties involved, but it won't keep the kid from transferring.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 11, 2025, 08:47 AMncaa rules allow athletes to enter the portal regardless of their nil agreement(s). that's something that might be changed in the house settlement but how it might happen is very much up in the air.
"NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals are distinct from traditional athletic contracts in college sports. While NIL deals allow athletes to monetize their personal brand, they are not contracts tied to their athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school. NIL contracts are essentially marketing agreements where athletes are compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness."
like i said, if this deal was done it had to be between their collective or a booster. what recourse, if any, would be up to the deal and the parties involved, but it won't keep the kid from transferring.
The million dollar penalty clause in the private deal is what will keep the kid from transferring. Unless someone at the new school can cover it.
Nothing to do with NCAA rules, which have become completely toothless and irrelevant anyway.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 11, 2025, 08:47 AMncaa rules allow athletes to enter the portal regardless of their nil agreement(s). that's something that might be changed in the house settlement but how it might happen is very much up in the air.
"NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals are distinct from traditional athletic contracts in college sports. While NIL deals allow athletes to monetize their personal brand, they are not contracts tied to their athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school. NIL contracts are essentially marketing agreements where athletes are compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness."
like i said, if this deal was done it had to be between their collective or a booster. what recourse, if any, would be up to the deal and the parties involved, but it won't keep the kid from transferring.
The NCAA can't regulate anything that is negotiated between an athlete and a private individual or business to my knowledge. If someone pays an athlete and that player leaves for another school then caveat emptor applies.
If I were throwing that kind of money around I'd make damned sure there was some sort of protection. But there will likely always be someone who will put fewer restrictions on their deal to entice recruits to leave. Without a standardized contract (and collective bargaining, and players unions) there is nothing the schools or the NCAA can really do about it.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 11, 2025, 08:53 AMThe NCAA can't regulate anything that is negotiated between an athlete and a private individual or business to my knowledge. If someone pays an athlete and that player leaves for another school then caveat emptor applies.
If I were throwing that kind of money around I'd make damned sure there was some sort of protection. But there will likely always be someone who will put fewer restrictions on their deal to entice recruits to leave. Without a standardized contract (and collective bargaining, and players unions) there is nothing the schools or the NCAA can really do about it.
"No, NIL deals cannot be directly tied to a student-athlete's enrollment at a particular school. The NCAA's rules and many state laws prohibit compensation contingent on enrollment, ensuring that NIL deals are based on true quid pro quo, meaning the athlete must provide a service or perform an activity to receive payment."
and texas, in this guy's case, is one of those states that have laws that prevent enrollment being part of an nil deal.
you and i might be talking about two different things. i was addressing enrollment and nil.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Apr 11, 2025, 09:04 AMNo one is signing a deal like that.
exactly.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2025, 08:34 AMWhy not? Or at least, why couldn't they, since I haven't actually read any of them? Many contracts contain a penalty clause. Very simple. If you play for Texas next year I'll give you a million dollars. If you don't play anywhere, nobody pays anything. If you play for another school, you owe me a million dollars.
No one is signing a deal like that.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:01 AM"No, NIL deals cannot be directly tied to a student-athlete's enrollment at a particular school. The NCAA's rules and many state laws prohibit compensation contingent on enrollment, ensuring that NIL deals are based on true quid pro quo, meaning the athlete must provide a service or perform an activity to receive payment."
and texas, in this guy's case, is one of those states that have laws that prevent enrollment being part of an nil deal.
None of this makes any sense or would stand up in court. These laws are from that brief period of time when "NIL" meant paying someone for their name, image, or likeness. Now, it means paying someone to play sports at a particular school.
No play no pay. Every court in the country would uphold that.
As to "NIL", you can put a kitten in the oven, but that don't make it a biscuit.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Apr 11, 2025, 09:04 AMNo one is signing a deal like that.
Then you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:06 AMThen you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.
That's smart on your part.
But if the player is highly coveted enough, someone else will pay him that amount. Or instead of taking your million with strings attached, he may take $800K with no strings from your rival school. If he has a remotely competent agent (which from what I've seen is doubtful in most cases) that representative will be able to accurately compare the value of each of those deals and steer him towards the best one.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:06 AMThen you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.
Plenty of schools will pay without the negative provisions.
That's the problem. You can't put provisions like that in the contract because someone else will pay the good players without it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:06 AMThen you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.
If I'm good enough to get you to offer me 1 million, someone else certainly will...without your stipulations.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:06 AMNone of this makes any sense or would stand up in court. These laws are from that brief period of time when "NIL" meant paying someone for their name, image, or likeness. Now, it means paying someone to play sports at a particular school.
No play no pay. Every court in the country would uphold that.
As to "NIL", you can put a kitten in the oven, but that don't make it a biscuit.
i've shown the rules. now you show me where players are bound to stay at a school because of nil deals or they are based on performance. not anecdotes, but real rules.
bottom line is this kid will go to byu for a bigger bag and not a damn thing will be done.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:16 AMi've shown the rules. now you show me where players are bound to stay at a school because of nil deals or they are based on performance. not anecdotes, but real rules.
I already covered this. It's not NCAA rules. It's what a rational person would put in the contract.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 11, 2025, 09:16 AMi've shown the rules. now you show me where players are bound to stay at a school because of nil deals or they are based on performance. not anecdotes, but real rules.
bottom line is this kid will go to byu for a bigger bag and not a damn thing will be done.
He's right to a point.
If the kid has a signed contract agreeing to play for a school in exchange for a dollar value, an arbitrary NCAA rule wouldn't overrule that agreement. The NCAA can't restrict commerce in either direction. A court would likely agree that, absent any unfair influence to get the kid to sign or any misrepresentation or failure to live up to contract terms on the part of the paying entity, the player in question would either have to live up to his terms or forfeit compensation.
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This NIL stuff isn't much different than bags of cash under an overpass and the guy takes the money and still ends up somewhere else because nobody could really call the kid out. Now the kid can agree to something, sign it, turn around and continue to negotiate and sign other deals without any kind of penalty much less a public admonishment for being a welsher. Our expectations as a society are so low it's not even funny.
I imagine the case-law for NIL beings that it's mostly an entirely new concept will take years to work itself out in the courts. I'm sure some of you legal minds can further speculate on that.
There is no boilerplate performance agreement between the A. Player B. Private Money C. School that ties all three together. Essentially the waters are very much intentionally muddy. I guess there's some oversight but not much. I assume for the private money this is a tax write off. The school gets the talent. The talent gets a pocket full of money and free bbq/catfish if you come to Arkansas
They should just call the transfer portal the free agency portal. That's really what it is.
nm
PJ Haggerty says bye bye to Penny and Memphis. Becomes the top player in the portal. Gonna command at least 3 million NIL.
Probably wind up at Ole Miss.
Knox testing the NBA while remaining eligible.
Quote from: flash23 on Apr 17, 2025, 05:22 PMKnox testing the NBA while remaining eligible.
I applaud the fact that he is keeping his options open.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 18, 2025, 09:56 AMI applaud the fact that he is keeping his options open.
This is a smart move.
Quote from: flash23 on Apr 17, 2025, 05:22 PMKnox testing the NBA while remaining eligible.
Getting to go through the process will help when he does go pro. He needs a year being one of the go-tos to show what he can do. But if they tell him he's sure to be drafted, Calipari would tell him to go.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 18, 2025, 12:54 PMGetting to go through the process will help when he does go pro. He needs a year being one of the go-tos to show what he can do. But if they tell him he's sure to be drafted, Calipari would tell him to go.
He needs honest feedback from the pros about what to work on in his game
According to the Twitters, Baker-Mazara from Auburn is in the portal and has been contacted by Arkansas. I hate that guy.
Whatever gets us to the 'ship guys.
The schools have all of the power. Just stop offering NIL. Don't accept kids out of the portal. Simple as that.
That won't happen, but it's that simple.
Quote from: obijuana on Apr 21, 2025, 02:37 PMThe schools have all of the power. Just stop offering NIL. Don't accept kids out of the portal. Simple as that.
That won't happen, but it's that simple.
But it would take all the schools agreeing to that, which won't happen because of the Ole Mrs. of the world, and, if it did work, then there'd be allegations of collusion, etc. and more lawsuits.
I think it's probably all just FUBAR'd at this point. It was a good run, but the system couldn't survive once all that ESPN/TV money started flowing.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 21, 2025, 03:33 PMBut it would take all the schools agreeing to that, which won't happen because of the Ole Mrs. of the world, and, if it did work, then there'd be allegations of collusion, etc. and more lawsuits.
I think it's probably all just FUBAR'd at this point. It was a good run, but the system couldn't survive once all that ESPN/TV money started flowing.
Agreed. Fubar'd to the hilt. I'm in the small minority of people who thinks the kids are offered plenty for their services and don't deserve anything more than some type of small stipend or per diem when traveling.
so, become opec. set rules. then everyone violate them. how is that different than the old ncaa model?
Quote from: obijuana on Apr 21, 2025, 02:37 PMThe schools have all of the power. Just stop offering NIL. Don't accept kids out of the portal. Simple as that.
That won't happen, but it's that simple.
As long as we have a realistic chance to buy a natty then that's exactly what we're gonna try to do. Us and a half dozen other schools and then a bunch of schools that might pop up with great seasons outperforming their dollas.
Quote from: BASS on Apr 21, 2025, 04:06 PMso, become opec. set rules. then everyone violate them. how is that different than the old ncaa model?
I guess I liked mama getting a double wide or the player driving a new sports car around campus more than dudes pimping their services every year to the highest bidder. Basically I think college athletes have always been compensated enough and if boosters want to give out $100 handshakes all over town then so be it. And the portal can straight up fuck itself.
Change can be a bitch.
Like a Christmas tree on a bonfire
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1914458530049925588?t=HqtVFMRRAUkpkJHXPGv_7A&s=19 (https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1914458530049925588?t=HqtVFMRRAUkpkJHXPGv_7A&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 21, 2025, 06:23 PMLike a Christmas tree on a bonfire
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1914458530049925588?t=HqtVFMRRAUkpkJHXPGv_7A&s=19 (https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1914458530049925588?t=HqtVFMRRAUkpkJHXPGv_7A&s=19)
Let him go. They trick-fucked the Arkansas kid-- Grayson Wilson?-- on that deal any way when they told him he would be the only qb offered.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 21, 2025, 06:27 PMLet him go. They trick-fucked the Arkansas kid-- Grayson Wilson?-- on that deal any way when they told him he would be the only qb offered.
#Karma
But seriously, I hope the IRS butt fucks that whole family to Bolivia.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 21, 2025, 06:38 PM#Karma
But seriously, I hope the IRS butt fucks that whole family to Bolivia.
What did Bolivia do to you?
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 21, 2025, 06:27 PMLet him go. They trick-fucked the Arkansas kid-- Grayson Wilson?-- on that deal any way when they told him he would be the only qb offered.
Not that it really matters, but they told Grayson that prior to Singleton telling them he was leaving.
Good. He ends up at UCLA, I guess?
would have loved to to be a fly on the wall when petrino heard about this.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 21, 2025, 07:31 PMwould have loved to to be a fly on the wall when petrino heard about this.
You think he dropped a few f-bombs?
Quote from: piglosopher on Apr 14, 2025, 12:16 PMUnfortunately from what I'm reading about Nico and his dad, I wouldn't be surprised if Madden tries to absorbs all he can from Petrino then bolts.
Probably to Ole Miss.
That happened even faster than expected...yeah.
Gotta admit, it was pretty smart on their part and extremely cold blooded. Get him a spring with the best QB coach in the game and then bolt. Good that it happened now instead of when it could hurt.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 21, 2025, 06:27 PMLet him go. They trick-fucked the Arkansas kid-- Grayson Wilson?-- on that deal any way when they told him he would be the only qb offered.
Jimmy Sexton school of Arky-Boofin'...
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 21, 2025, 06:23 PMLike a Christmas tree on a bonfire
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1914458530049925588?t=HqtVFMRRAUkpkJHXPGv_7A&s=19 (https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1914458530049925588?t=HqtVFMRRAUkpkJHXPGv_7A&s=19)
Well...bye.
I wonder how much in NIL that cost us? Shirley they were smart enough to not pay it all up front. right?
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 21, 2025, 08:01 PMYou think he dropped a few f-bombs?
The words motherfucking pussy were likely uttered.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 21, 2025, 08:59 PMThe words motherfucking pussy were likely uttered.
Agreed.
At least the asshole won't suck up any more reps
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 21, 2025, 06:38 PM#Karma
But seriously, I hope the IRS butt fucks that whole family to Bolivia.
Hell, the California taxes alone will eat his brother's money up.
Isn't Nico a Sophomore? So his brother transfers to the same school to compete against his brother and likely sit for 2 years and not play.
Nico going from $2M at TN with no state tax to California is definitely going to be a big hit.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 22, 2025, 07:59 AMIsn't Nico a Sophomore? So his brother transfers to the same school to compete against his brother and likely sit for 2 years and not play.
Nico going from $2M at TN with no state tax to California is definitely going to be a big hit.
it ain't easy being prima
No way all these motherfuckers are putting money aside for their taxes. They all gonna be broke and owing the IRS.
I hate this NIL shit. I was originally all for it so these guys could make money on Jersey sales, instagram followers, being in commercials, ect. Things they couldn't do before. Now it's all greed, bullshit, and corruption. This is not going to be sustainable.
Quote from: aaron on Apr 22, 2025, 10:21 AMI hate this NIL shit. I was originally all for it so these guys could make money on Jersey sales, instagram followers, being in commercials, ect. Things they couldn't do before. Now it's all greed, bullshit, and corruption. This is not going to be sustainable.
Some of us told you this was where it would go. This is nothing new. We've been down this road before. It started in the 1920s when college football was bigger than anything other than baseball. It's why the rules for amateurism and payments were so strict. As soon as the shackles were loosened in the slightest it was and always was going to be Katy Bar the Door.
https://x.com/hunteryurachek/status/1914730222378680427
I can't tell if this means we got clowned by I'maleavin and have no recourse, or if it means we're starting with him to make an example.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Apr 22, 2025, 12:57 PMhttps://x.com/hunteryurachek/status/1914730222378680427
I can't tell if this means we got clowned by I'maleavin and have no recourse, or if it means we're starting with him to make an example.
If there is an agreement to be enforced and "matters to be resolved" sounds like we are trying to enforce something to me.
Start eating those NIL dollars up with legal fees. That's a way to possibly stop this crap.
Sounds like a way to hit yourself in the face with a shovel on the recruiting front
Quote from: BASS on Apr 22, 2025, 01:09 PMSounds like a way to hit yourself in the face with a shovel on the recruiting front
Yes.
Just like requiring non-compete clauses for assistants kept quality coaches from coming here under Kermit the Frog.
If you're going to go after these guys for contractual violations, for God's sakes don't advertise it.
Quote from: BASS on Apr 22, 2025, 01:09 PMSounds like a way to hit yourself in the face with a shovel on the recruiting front
At this point, what difference does it make?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 22, 2025, 01:11 PMYes.
Just like requiring non-compete clauses for assistants kept quality coaches from coming here under Kermit the Frog.
If you're going to go after these guys for contractual violations, for God's sakes don't advertise it.
What?
Shout it from the mountaintops.
Tennessee seems to be doing pretty well PR wise from the Nico caper.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 22, 2025, 01:24 PMWhat?
Shout it from the mountaintops.
Tennessee seems to be doing pretty well PR wise from the Nico caper.
Tennessee hasn't, to my knowledge, sued Nico to reclaim anything they might have paid him.
If we start suing kids for breach of contract, agents are going to steer them to schools that are more permissive. While I agree with the sentiment of holding them to their agreements, all the players are going to see is "they won't pay me" without understanding why. In most of these cases you aren't dealing with educated people who understand that there are consequences for their actions...that goes for the players and the agents.
If the goal is to have the moral high ground and not get fucked over by any prima donnas, then by all means carry on. Just do so with the understanding that a majority of the talent pool consists of prima donnas who are likely to balk, or who at least will require higher prices to account for the risk of having to actually live up to the deal. Personally since little of it is my money, I'd just as soon keep the prospective recruiting pool as open as possible and let some other entity drive the corrections to the system.
redshirt freshman qb from fsu to visit tomorrow per the twitters.
if true, it makes me doubt there was any kind of promise given as to how many quarterbacks the staff was taking this cycle.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 22, 2025, 01:11 PMYes.
Just like requiring non-compete clauses for assistants kept quality coaches from coming here under Kermit the Frog.
If you're going to go after these guys for contractual violations, for God's sakes don't advertise it.
My assumption is/was that he had a buyout clause that we would enforce publicly. If that's the case I see no problem with it. Auburn is doing the same with Baker-Mazzara.
However, it's Arkansas so we probably weren't that forward thinking...or we copied and pasted the wrong amount from another contract.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 22, 2025, 01:25 PMTennessee hasn't, to my knowledge, sued Nico to reclaim anything they might have paid him.
If we start suing kids for breach of contract, agents are going to steer them to schools that are more permissive. While I agree with the sentiment of holding them to their agreements, all the players are going to see is "they won't pay me" without understanding why. In most of these cases you aren't dealing with educated people who understand that there are consequences for their actions...that goes for the players and the agents.
If the goal is to have the moral high ground and not get fucked over by any prima donnas, then by all means carry on. Just do so with the understanding that a majority of the talent pool consists of prima donnas who are likely to balk, or who at least will require higher prices to account for the risk of having to actually live up to the deal. Personally since little of it is my money, I'd just as soon keep the prospective recruiting pool as open as possible and let some other entity drive the corrections to the system.
I think the daddy is the agent for these two moops, and I doubt a legit agent would steer a player to do this. If there is a contractual obligation that daddy didn't read before directing his spawn to take less money, then let's get it back.
The ncaa or conferences need to certify every agent like the nfl for these kids and require their use to insure they at least get some advice from an expert party. No agent would want to take credit for the stupid actions by these brothers, and it will actually help their case in repping kids. Go on your own and you might be Nico.
Hy probably called the daddy and said good luck but we need our money back per the terms of your son's nil agreement, so just send us a money order. Daddy probably said fuck off, so Hy starts the FAFO process. Daddy probably thinks ucla will pay it.
Dollars to donuts one or both will hit the portal again within the calendar year.
https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1914821661951508976?t=gYG0yUd6gPy1Kisosf0avQ&s=19 (https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1914821661951508976?t=gYG0yUd6gPy1Kisosf0avQ&s=19)
interested to see how that might play out.
arkansas state law doesn't allow the school to pay nil directly so maybe he means the collective or possible revenue sharing money he got up front?
edit: just read a cbs article and it's the collective that can sue.
I hope they do. Fuck these players and their handlers doing this shit.
That family is trash and if they caught a stray from a drive-by...I wouldn't shed a tear.
I'd really rather Arkansas not take the lead in bringing a lawsuit against a college football player.
Even if we win, the first team to do it is going to get wrecked with recruits. Probably better to let some other team be the trendsetter.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 23, 2025, 12:25 PMI'd really rather Arkansas not take the lead in bringing a lawsuit against a college football player.
Even if we win, the first team to do it is going to get wrecked with recruits. Probably better to let some other team be the trendsetter.
I don't think we'll notice these days.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 23, 2025, 12:25 PMI'd really rather Arkansas not take the lead in bringing a lawsuit against a college football player.
Even if we win, the first team to do it is going to get wrecked with recruits. Probably better to let some other team be the trendsetter.
no one is going to want to be the first. it will have to be collective effort between more than one school.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 23, 2025, 01:17 PMno one is going to want to be the first. it will have to be collective effort between more than one school.
We never added back the drum emoji after the reboot, so imagine that here.
I'm sure we will fuck this all up, not get any money back because of some dumb contract wording mistake, and look like the fools we are.
Quote from: aaron on Apr 23, 2025, 03:56 PMI'm sure we will fuck this all up, not get any money back because of some dumb contract wording mistake, and look like the fools we are.
who's we? the school has nothing to do with any possible legal action.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 23, 2025, 12:25 PMI'd really rather Arkansas not take the lead in bringing a lawsuit against a college football player.
Even if we win, the first team to do it is going to get wrecked with recruits. Probably better to let some other team be the trendsetter.
Shit man that's a built in excuse for the next 4 recruiting cycles...extension to the fat man
Quote from: animal on Apr 23, 2025, 04:29 PMShit man that's a built in excuse for the next 4 recruiting cycles...extension to the fat man
No, we need a player at somewhere like Arkansas Tech to screw over his Whatta-Burger deal when he leaves. Get those boosters to sue. Then get a Razorback friendly judge to make it right in a way that helps us.
The laws are the same, so we'd still get the benefit after it works its way through the Courts.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 23, 2025, 12:25 PMI'd really rather Arkansas not take the lead in bringing a lawsuit against a college football player.
Even if we win, the first team to do it is going to get wrecked with recruits. Probably better to let some other team be the trendsetter.
Money and playing time are what counts. Look at the Cleveland Browns and Bengals. They get free agents that sign with them despite shit teams or cheapshit owners.
Players don't want to see players fucking programs out of money because that's less in the pot for them and the team.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 23, 2025, 01:17 PMno one is going to want to be the first. it will have to be collective effort between more than one school.
What have we got to lose? 6-6 is the ceiling these days. Lord knows Yuri isn't paying top dollar for a football coach without substantial help from local billionaires.
QB Austin Ledbetter has talked to god and god told him to hit the portal so there's that. UCA gonna be lit.
I can tell I quit paying attention last year. I don't know any of these players.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 23, 2025, 06:42 PMI can tell I quit paying attention last year. I don't know any of these players.
We are on autodraft
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 23, 2025, 06:42 PMI can tell I quit paying attention last year. I don't know any of these players.
Same. I thought Austin Ledbetter graduated in 1999.
Public opinion is turning ever more sour on NIL and the players that pull this.
It's just a matter of time before regulators get involved.
bust a deal face the wheel is what I say
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 23, 2025, 07:13 PMSame. I thought Austin Ledbetter graduated in 1999.
Believe that was Marcel, Eugene's kid.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 23, 2025, 07:13 PMSame. I thought Austin Ledbetter graduated in 1999.
I thought it was Pearl Jam
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 23, 2025, 09:54 PMBelieve that was Marcel, Eugene's kid.
Naw...that was ole man Ledbetter's boy...Huddie.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Apr 23, 2025, 06:54 PMWe are on autodraft
We need the key and peele east west all star names
Quote from: BASS on Apr 23, 2025, 10:23 PMWe need the key and peele east west all star names
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss
It never gets old.
Quote from: Hognrock on Apr 24, 2025, 07:13 AMIt never gets old.
shows how much I know
I wanted Green Bay to draft eeeee eeeeeeeeeee, but he was a bust.
Quote from: BASS on Apr 23, 2025, 10:21 PMI thought it was Pearl Jam
That's Yellow...his older cousin uncle.
I'm not going to be too upset about any of these guys portalling off a 2-10 team with a historic SEC-worst defense. However, I think we should have kept a couple of these guys, if nothing else for depth. Now we have to recruit an entire 3-deep on the D-line
Leaving:
Grayson Wilson - QB
Trevor Jackson - QB
AJ Green - RB
Andy Jean - WR
Shaq McRoy - OT
Ian Geffrard - DT
Kaleb James - DL
Charlie Collins - EDGE
Kavion Henderson - EDGE
Justus Boone - EDGE
Tavion Wallace - LB
Justin Logan - LB
JJ Shelton - LB
Miguel Mitchell - S
Anton Pierce - S
Keshawn Davila - CB
some of those guys were getting paid to be a little more than just depth.
probably didn't like the pay cut they were going to get in order to stick around.
Charlie Collins is the biggest loss I see on that list.
How does AJ Green even have eligibility left? Wasn't he recruited by Hatfield?
collins had 11 tackles in 22 games. the majority of snaps were on special teams.
we've have either terrible eval or development. so many supposedly 4* didn't do shit.
Collins was very undersized to play Dline. Needs to put on weight.
Who gives a shit about any of these guys leaving?
We'll replace 'em with more 2 and 3 stars from Conference USA.
Go hogs.
curne will visit georgia in a couple of days and then arkansas next.
if he can get out of athens without a commit, then our chances go way up.
Justus Boone had some talent. He's probably just in search of a bigger bag, which I'm sure he'll find easily
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 31, 2025, 09:51 PMCollins was very undersized to play Dline. Needs to put on weight.
Petrino put him at LB some in the last few games, dropped him in coverage, etc. I thought he had some potenshuh. Of course, I'm a doofus, so maybe I should drop that screen door at midnight.
maybe some of them see their offers and come back. haven't seen anything about silverfield's policy on players entering the portal.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2025, 10:07 PMmaybe some of them see their offers and come back. haven't seen anything about silverfield's policy on players entering the portal.
I was wondering the same. Sam had a "policy" but it was really subjective on how he applied it, so no "policy" at all.
"I didn't know what to do."
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2025, 09:50 PMwe've have either terrible eval or development. so many supposedly 4* didn't do shit.
I am convinced it was both - terrible evaluation followed up by no development
Gonna be a whirlwind couple of weeks starting tomorrow.
We've only had a handful of 4 stars that were worth the hype since they started assigning stars to recruits. I think we've taken a lot of high ranked ones that weren't smart enough to play college ball that fell to us.
I don't remember any highly ranked recruits besides the DMAC trio, the Warren kids and some of the Bert players being worth a shit.
There hasn't been either evaluation or development for the last 10 years.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Dec 31, 2025, 09:35 PMI'm not going to be too upset about any of these guys portalling off a 2-10 team with a historic SEC-worst defense. However, I think we should have kept a couple of these guys, if nothing else for depth. Now we have to recruit an entire 3-deep on the D-line
Leaving:
Grayson Wilson - QB
Trevor Jackson - QB
AJ Green - RB
Andy Jean - WR
Shaq McRoy - OT
Ian Geffrard - DT
Kaleb James - DL
Charlie Collins - EDGE
Kavion Henderson - EDGE
Justus Boone - EDGE
Tavion Wallace - LB
Justin Logan - LB
JJ Shelton - LB
Miguel Mitchell - S
Anton Pierce - S
Keshawn Davila - CB
Not to worry. AJ Green will be back.
he should have gone to ou and played db. putting on weight to be a running back was a terrible decision.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 01, 2026, 01:33 PMNot to worry. AJ Green will be back.
think he'll accept a box of twinkies and a pack of kool's for his nil deal?
see if there's a bama exodus. might be some pickings left over for us.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 01, 2026, 06:25 PMsee if there's a bama exodus. might be some pickings left over for us.
There is a decent chance that will happen since Bama got skullfucked today.
But there is hope. Cignetti is living proof it can be done without all 4 and 5 stars.
What Cignetti has done is unprecedented.
This would be big. Carius Curne is in the portal and favored to us.
Think he is visiting UGA this weekend. Then us.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 01, 2026, 07:51 PMThink he is visiting UGA this weekend. Then us.
athens saturday, monday in fayetteville.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 01, 2026, 07:51 PMThink he is visiting UGA this weekend. Then us.
It will be interesting to see how that works out. It may tell us if we really have a competitive NIL or not.
For Keshawn Davila, I have it on good authority that we gave him 275k and a Mercedes when we signed him from JUCO. What a waste. Hopefully this staff evaluates better.
Isn't this the day when we should start signing new portal players? Should we be concerned?
Seen a bunch of defensive guys lining up visits here. We're about to get a DE from Auburn.
if we're getting a bunch of commitments today, then it's not the big boys we want.
next week should start see them coming in (hopefully).
Sutton Smith (Memphis St RB) supposed to visit tonight.
In case anyone forgot that name...
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/46325238
in addition to curne, we got visits lined up from the #4 dt from florida, a wr from auburn, an edge rusher from fsu, and a really good lb from unc.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 02, 2026, 02:38 PMin addition to curne, we got visits lined up from the #4 dt from florida, a wr from auburn, an edge rusher from fsu, and a really good lb from unc.
I just hope Curne makes it out of that Georgia visit uncommitted.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 02, 2026, 02:46 PMI just hope Curne makes it out of that Georgia visit uncommitted.
and doesn't decide to take any more.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Dec 31, 2025, 09:35 PMI'm not going to be too upset about any of these guys portalling off a 2-10 team with a historic SEC-worst defense. However, I think we should have kept a couple of these guys, if nothing else for depth. Now we have to recruit an entire 3-deep on the D-line
Leaving:
Grayson Wilson - QB
Trevor Jackson - QB
AJ Green - RB
Andy Jean - WR
Shaq McRoy - OT
Ian Geffrard - DT
Kaleb James - DL
Charlie Collins - EDGE
Kavion Henderson - EDGE
Justus Boone - EDGE
Tavion Wallace - LB
Justin Logan - LB
JJ Shelton - LB
Miguel Mitchell - S
Anton Pierce - S
Keshawn Davila - CB
Add the following hitting the road:
Ken Talley - DE
Danny Saili - DL
Selman Bridges - DB
Jaden Allen - CB
Rodney Hill - RB
Jace Petty - WR
Jabrae Shaw - S
https://www.swtimes.com/story/sports/college/sec/2026/01/02/arkansas-football-transfer-portal-tracker-updates-latest-news/87988817007/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwdGRleAPFHJlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xNzM4NDc2NDI2NzAzNzAAAR4T-34yifQV4BrqAN--AMfaSbD_9_7e_WFfIDbytahryDWmOZ_YS0HcTLfjDA_aem_UBW4qE0KAu6pfL6iFdSOqA
E. Harris
and freshman OT Blake Cherry
I think for the 2nd year in a row I'm not sad or mad about any of these defections.
Quote from: animal on Jan 02, 2026, 05:15 PMI think for the 2nd year in a row I'm not sad or mad about any of these defections.
i feel the same way. especially on the defensive side.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Jan 02, 2026, 01:01 PMFor Keshawn Davila, I have it on good authority that we gave him 275k and a Mercedes when we signed him from JUCO. What a waste. Hopefully this staff evaluates better.
2 tackles in 12 games. wow. $137,500 per tackle and a Mercedes? Pittmman should be sued for fraud/theft (yet this is just one of multiple examples of this).
In 2025, Arkansas's average income varies by source, but generally falls around the low $60,000s for individual pay, with a median household income near $50,000-$58,000, reflecting a lower cost of living but also lower wages compared to the national average, with key sectors like Management and Finance showing higher pay, while Hospitality and Food Service remain lower and they wonder why 95% of the fan base wants to pony up for NIL.
how does the Mercedes or any car work in an NIL deal? Is it a lease for a year and the NIL covers the payments?
Does the kid tote the insurance bill or is the NIL picking that up too?
And to think poor Davila has to pay AR tax since the no tax didn't go into effect until this week and his paying the tax bill will require more effort than his entire 2025 season.
There needs to be a clause that if you portal, you pay all the money back you received. Same as opting out of a bowl game. Fuck these kids.
non revenue sharing nil deals are between private parties so there's nothing that can be done about that.
most of revenue sharing deals are being paid month to month so if the guy is there for those months, he gets paid. good luck on trying to take that money.
finally, do you really want to incentify guys that end up being busts staying around and paying them?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 02, 2026, 06:21 PMnon revenue sharing nil deals are between private parties so there's nothing that can be done about that.
Once again....private parties can put anything they want in a contract.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 02, 2026, 02:28 PMSutton Smith (Memphis St RB) supposed to visit tonight.
In case anyone forgot that name...
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/46325238
Well, our defense did quit chasing him after he got to the line of scrimmage.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 02, 2026, 05:22 PMi feel the same way. especially on the defensive side.
I've never really heard of any of them.
aj hill, memphis qb will visit today. offered him out of hs.
kiffin is a little bitch .
https://x.com/CurneCarius/status/2007494126112039330
Cam Shanks will have to return punts for 2 yards for someone else next year.
Nah, he'll lead the country in PR for TDs again! it was the pig on the helmet slowing him down this year!
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 03, 2026, 10:53 AMkiffin is a little bitch .
https://x.com/CurneCarius/status/2007494126112039330
In this free for all circus how can anyone be held back by "paperwork"?
safety from cincinnati commits. 60 tackles, 7 pbu, and a pick last year. rodney harrison's kid.
also a kicker from georgia st.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 03, 2026, 12:28 PMIn this free for all circus how can anyone be held back by "paperwork"?
Grades? You know none of them are going to class.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 04, 2026, 08:56 AMsafety from cincinnati commits. 60 tackles, 7 pbu, and a pick last year. rodney harrison's kid.
also a kicker from georgia st.
we got a long snapper from Sacramento St. The pieces are coming together!
#championship
https://x.com/petenakos/status/2007837939976581479
This is just interesting. Now we can make players transfer? When do we just start trading?
https://x.com/parkerl06/status/2007504876558070124?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 04, 2026, 11:47 AMThis is just interesting. Now we can make players transfer? When do we just start trading?
https://x.com/parkerl06/status/2007504876558070124?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
I don't believe he was forced to enter the portal just by his statement. Just sounds like he is spinning the truth on why he is going to the portal. Kind of like a coach having to pray on the matter, or another player making a difficult decision.
I do agree that coaches have pushed kids to transfer to different and lower tier schools in the past to make space. The portal is just another avenue to be used by coaches and players.
In the future it will be like the NFL. The good ones go to free agency, the the others get cut.
"Back in the day" we used to call that processed. I don't know if he was forced to seek other opportunities or not, but it happened long before the portal's existence. It is just easier to do now.
He's be a good pickup
https://x.com/khmori_house/status/2007518446754627984?s=20
because of whatever the paperwork stuff was, curne is going to visit ole miss first, then us, then georgia and maybe missouri. that's according to the 247 guys. i'm preparing to be let down.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 04, 2026, 11:47 AMThis is just interesting. Now we can make players transfer? When do we just start trading?
https://x.com/parkerl06/status/2007504876558070124?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Yeah that is odd. He was/is Manning's roommate and played quite a bit this year.
https://x.com/hayesfawcett3/status/2007914920722239863?
I watched this guy some this year. He is freaking huge, but never seemed to do that much. Kinda surprised Texas is taking him. He'll probably be All-American next season.
Also, surprised he is the No. 4 DL in the portal.
he had no business playing as many snaps as he did this past season. we had no choice but to play the guy to exhaustion.
i bet texass will use him more in short yardage situations and for giving the starters a rest.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 04, 2026, 12:59 PMbecause of whatever the paperwork stuff was, curne is going to visit ole miss first, then us, then georgia and maybe missouri. that's according to the 247 guys. i'm preparing to be let down.
We're not a serious organization. Zero chance he comes here.
not much we can do because kiffin dicked around to submit his portal paperwork. that threw the visit schedule off and ole miss swooped in.
the kid is going to listen to offers. to have thought otherwise is kinda naive.
Want an that impressed with the guy. Shocked he's rated that high.
Aren't we getting a 6'5" 300+lb guy from Memphis?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 04, 2026, 11:47 AMThis is just interesting. Now we can make players transfer? When do we just start trading?
https://x.com/parkerl06/status/2007504876558070124?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
I believe the cool kids call it getting "Processed"
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 04, 2026, 02:47 PMhttps://x.com/hayesfawcett3/status/2007914920722239863?
I watched this guy some this year. He is freaking huge, but never seemed to do that much. Kinda surprised Texas is taking him. He'll probably be All-American next season.
Also, surprised he is the No. 4 DL in the portal.
If that's the case the DL portal class is hella disappoint
He No. 4 DL based on weight or # of missed tackles?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 04, 2026, 02:47 PMhttps://x.com/hayesfawcett3/status/2007914920722239863?
I watched this guy some this year. He is freaking huge, but never seemed to do that much. Kinda surprised Texas is taking him. He'll probably be All-American next season.
Also, surprised he is the No. 4 DL in the portal.
how is he a standout other than being tall and wide?
25 tackels in 12 games doesn't really stand out though 4 were for a loss.
I don't think texas evaulates any better than a pittman staff. Wonder why t-will didn't try to land him at aTm or did he?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 04, 2026, 07:00 PMhow is he a standout other than being tall and wide?
25 tackels in 12 games doesn't really stand out though 4 were for a loss.
I don't think texas evaulates any better than a pittman staff. Wonder why t-will didn't try to land him at aTm or did he?
Well fuck him nonetheless.
Size can't be coached. Realistically, he is good for around 25 snaps a game. Texas has the money to pay for that type of thing. We don't. It would have been nice to have kept him, but we have way more pressing issues than a situational DL to spend money on. Can't blame him for taking the money and running.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Jan 04, 2026, 07:13 PMSize can't be coached. Realistically, he is good for around 25 snaps a game. Texas has the money to pay for that type of thing. We don't. It would have been nice to have kept him, but we have way more pressing issues than a situational DL to spend money on. Can't blame him for taking the money and running.
Funny, I never noticed him doing any better the first few series than he did the last few.
We're loading up on kickers! Starzyk announced he is coming back but today we added the kicker from Georgia State, and then poached Tenner's kicker!
Just one QB on the roster but we have 3 kickers!
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Jan 04, 2026, 08:26 PMWe're loading up on kickers! Starzyk announced he is coming back but today we added the kicker from Georgia State, and then poached Tenner's kicker!
Just one QB on the roster but we have 3 kickers!
Well, we're prolly going to do a lot of punting.
the guy from georgia st. is doing the kickoffs. having a backup kicker is something most teams do. don't freak out because we signed a long snapper too.
the memphis qb visited today. another one we're supposedly after visits bert tomorrow or tuesday and then us.
edit: wrong on the date for the other guy to visit illinois. he did so today and committed.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Jan 04, 2026, 07:13 PMSize can't be coached. Realistically, he is good for around 25 snaps a game. Texas has the money to pay for that type of thing. We don't. It would have been nice to have kept him, but we have way more pressing issues than a situational DL to spend money on. Can't blame him for taking the money and running.
good for him getting any money but you can't unsee this.
https://x.com/starzykscott/status/2008046422600700046?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Wild
There's no loyalty. It's straight up business and show me the money. Seeing all these transfers off a garbage team, "meh, whatever."
that explains signing two kickers.
rail on these guy during the season, but when they transfer it's somehow a loyalty thing?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 05, 2026, 08:13 AMthat explains signing two kickers.
rail on these guy during the season, but when they transfer it's somehow a loyalty thing?
I'm not convinced this one wasn't processed.
He has talent, but also showed an inability to make kicks in close/late situations. Hopefully Silverfield and the new ST coach realize that clutch ability/inability is a thing when it comes to head case kickers.
He was 14-18 on the season, and 100% on PATs. Calling a Freshman kicker who was 3-6 from 40-49 yards and 2-3 at 50+ yards is incredible... no wonder our fanbase doesn't deserve good teams.
Not that Starzyk was going to be the second coming of the NFL distance record holder, but Cam Little was 20-24, 13-16, and 20-24 in his three seasons here.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 05, 2026, 08:31 AMHe was 14-18 on the season, and 100% on PATs. Calling a Freshman kicker who was 3-6 from 40-49 yards and 2-3 at 50+ yards is incredible... no wonder our fanbase doesn't deserve good teams.
Not that Starzyk was going to be the second coming of the NFL distance record holder, but Cam Little was 20-24, 13-16, and 20-24 in his three seasons here.
I can only think of one time where Little missed a clutch kick...granted it was a big one against aTm in 2022. By that point he had already beaten LSU in Baton Rouge with a game winner.
Maybe it was a little early to process him (if that happened - it's just speculation on my part that they might have) but the timing of when Starzyk missed his FGs was a red flag.
A golf analogy is appropriate here. It's a lot easier to sink a three foot putt when you're playing for fun versus when you have bets on it that may cost you and your partners a good bit of cash.
Also...whatever the reason(s) for the current kicker leaving, it's a good thing we didn't just sign one and hope he works out. At least we have some semblance of a competition with the two transfers coming in.
I keep having flashbacks to AJ Reed (or whatever his name was) bricking a chip shot that would've tied LSU in 2020.
I suspect Starzyk might end up wherever Fountain goes.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 05, 2026, 09:08 AMI suspect Starzyk might end up wherever Fountain goes.
I may have been harsh on the kid for his missed FGs, but I think it's a little early to abandon the dream in favor of selling used cars.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 05, 2026, 09:22 AMI may have been harsh on the kid for his missed FGs, but I think it's a little early to abandon the dream in favor of selling used cars.
It's got its perks
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He didn't hit the portal until we signed 2 other kickers over the weekend. Doesn't sound like he was "disloyal" at all.
247 guy says that he wanted more money and was shopping around before he said he was coming back. said he was returning but never signed the paperwork. staff wanted a yes or no on their offer and when it didn't come, they signed the guy from tennessee.
i'm sure every team is going thru stuff like this.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 05, 2026, 09:59 AM247 guy says that he wanted more money and was shopping around before he said he was coming back. said he was returning but never signed the paperwork. staff wanted a yes or no on their offer and when it didn't come, they signed the guy from tennessee.
i'm sure every team is going thru stuff like this.
Well in that case fuck him ;D
Got a WR from Memphis.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 05, 2026, 10:06 AMGot a WR from Memphis.
have a wr from penn visiting today. over 2500 yards and 27 td in three seasons.
Has Catalon announced where he's portaling to yet?
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 05, 2026, 10:24 AMHas Catalon announced where he's portaling to yet?
i think he's going to go play with his kid
Quote from: BASS on Jan 05, 2026, 10:45 AMi think he's going to go play with his kid
Grandkids.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 05, 2026, 10:24 AMHas Catalon announced where he's portaling to yet?
need a nursing home for some of these motherfuckers.
cal's waving at their kids comment is so spot on.
Some linebacker from Howard committed.
49 tackles, 11 tfl, 4.5 sacks. had an auburn visit after ours.
have to wait and see how he translates to the sec but we pretty much need an entire two deep on defense.
I picture these interviews being like that scene in Pinky Blinders where Tommy hands out the different sized stacks of money to everyone.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 05, 2026, 10:16 AMhave a wr from penn visiting today. over 2500 yards and 27 td in three seasons.
He didn't make the trip. Signed with Duke instead.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 05, 2026, 12:55 PMHe didn't make the trip. Signed with Duke instead.
well, furk.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 05, 2026, 12:21 PMlinebacker from Howard
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 05, 2026, 10:16 AMwr from penn
Jesus Christ. I want to go back to the transfer system where we were getting Alabama's DL and LB who weren't good enough to play in Tuscaloosa.
Early returns indicate we're still poors.
Hopefully Silverfield has a good recipe to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
e'marion harris to ou.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 05, 2026, 01:32 PMEarly returns indicate we're still poors.
Hopefully Silverfield has a good recipe to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Tall ask
There's a powerball winner somewhere in Cabot not doing their job.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 05, 2026, 01:44 PMTall ask
I'd settle for chicken flavored dog food in year one.
The way I see it he needs to show marginal improvement this year (think 4-8) and build on that in year two, hopefully with a little more investment.
If it doesn't work at that point, change the revenue share distribution where basketball and baseball get the lion's share. If we aren't going to spend enough to at least be competitive, why spend anything at all?
aj hill, memphis qb commits.
big kid, and he's a pocket passer.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 05, 2026, 01:33 PMe'marion harris to ou.
Surprising. Wasn't overly impressed with him.
some of our eval skills might need a little work.
it's early but i won't be totally shocked if it ends up being not a complete lack of talent, but a dog shit culture that was the biggest contributor of the suckage.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 05, 2026, 01:47 PMIf it doesn't work at that point, change the revenue share distribution where basketball and baseball get the lion's share. If we aren't going to spend enough to at least be competitive, why spend anything at all?
Or just go ahead and do that now. I believe it was Biddy who said that Miss St is allocating double what we are to baseball.
We are getting kickers in the portal. Bad sign
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 05, 2026, 01:18 PMJesus Christ. I want to go back to the transfer system where we were getting Alabama's DL and LB who weren't good enough to play in Tuscaloosa.
First we have to have a coaching staff that's almost-but-not-quite up to Alabama's standards.
That's the end of my darksiderism for the day. We'll see what the roster looks like going into spring practice.
I enjoy a gloom-and-doom party as much as the next woopigger but I would like to point out that the current starting QB for one of the teams in the Playoff quarterfinals spent the previous 3 years playing for Ferris State, the current SEC Newcomer of the Year and a consensus All-American RB at Misery played for Louisiana Monroe in 2024, and one of the 5 finalists for this year's Butkus Award came to Indiana from JMU.
We will probably hire the same cast of "blue light special", less talented, under-achievers we always do but, hey, sometimes you get lucky.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 05, 2026, 04:09 PMI enjoy a gloom-and-doom party as much as the next woopigger but I would like to point out that the current starting QB for one of the teams in the Playoff quarterfinals spent the previous 3 years playing for Ferris State, the current SEC Newcomer of the Year and a consensus All-American RB at Misery played for Louisiana Monroe in 2024, and one of the 5 finalists for this year's Butkus Award came to Indiana from JMU.
We will probably hire the same cast of "blue light special", less talented, under-achievers we always do but, hey, sometimes you get lucky.
arguably we've had damn good to decent success getting the poors kids...remember the big white DT that nobody ever heard of and ended up playing good for a season and then ended up with the Redskins? Teslaa is another. We've had some dudes that were good...they weren't all duds. A few of the big name kids that never panned out at previous stops...shocker...didn't really pan out here either.
Overall a lot of guys are going to look bad if the surrounding talent is just ASS. I think that's what we've seen lately. Lots of ass and not in a good way.
Quote from: animal on Jan 05, 2026, 04:23 PMarguably we've had damn good to decent success getting the poors kids...remember the big white DT that nobody ever heard of and ended up playing good for a season and then ended up with the Redskins? Teslaa is another. We've had some dudes that were good...they weren't all duds. A few of the big name kids that never panned out at previous stops...shocker...didn't really pan out here either.
Overall a lot of guys are going to look bad if the surrounding talent is just ASS. I think that's what we've seen lately. Lots of ass and not in a good way.
And just this year, Rohan Jones from Montana. And of course, he was underutilized here.
We've had far more success with lower level transfers than we've had with the former 4 stars from power programs. Even so, our evals need to be spot on, because most of those won't hit. I'd still rather have a player looking to "prove it" than a disgruntled player looking for a payday.
it's a 105 man roster going forward. walk-ons will probably be gone by the end of next year because of the hard cap.
not to say we don't need to start picking it up a little, but most everyone is going to be taking a lot more 3 stars just to fill out a three deep and the scout teams.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 05, 2026, 01:47 PMI'd settle for chicken flavored dog food in year one.
The way I see it he needs to show marginal improvement this year (think 4-8) and build on that in year two, hopefully with a little more investment.
If it doesn't work at that point, change the revenue share distribution where basketball and baseball get the lion's share. If we aren't going to spend enough to at least be competitive, why spend anything at all?
Fine by me.
memphis rb commits.
Florida DL chooses Ole Miss over us.
Curne to Ole Miss
Quote from: BASS on Jan 05, 2026, 10:45 AMi think he's going to go play with his kid
Jabronny is a superstar in the making.
Ole Miss is dad.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 05, 2026, 02:09 PMsome of our eval skills might need a little work.
it's early but i won't be totally shocked if it ends up being not a complete lack of talent, but a dog shit culture that was the biggest contributor of the suckage.
Yep, and talent differences are more marginal than most people are willing to admit.
We seem to be getting a lot of Memphis dudes in the portal. Is that good or bad?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 05, 2026, 09:53 PMWe seem to be getting a lot of Memphis dudes in the portal. Is that good or bad?
Compared to Howard, Sacramento State, and JUCO dudes, Memphis is looking better and better.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Jan 05, 2026, 09:17 PMWhere are you seeing this?
My dad texted me, supposedly Kyle Sutherland of On3 reported it but I don't know if it was a tweet or what. Past his bedtime so you'll have to wait.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 05, 2026, 10:04 PMMy dad texted me, supposedly Kyle Sutherland of On3 reported it but I don't know if it was a tweet or what. Past his bedtime so you'll have to wait.
Kyle is getting info from someone close to Curne. Maybe a former coach of his or something?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 05, 2026, 10:09 PMKyle is getting info from someone close to Curne. Maybe a former coach of his or something?
Yeah I don't see it confirmed anywhere. It's possible dad was confused. :P
Found it
https://x.com/k_sutherlandAR/status/2008386535406612488?s=20
Kyle is making his prediction, hopefully Curne will show up in Fayetteville tonight and take his scheduled visit with us tomorrow before he makes his commitment.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Jan 05, 2026, 10:30 PMFound it
https://x.com/k_sutherlandAR/status/2008386535406612488?s=20
Kyle is making his prediction, hopefully Curne will show up in Fayetteville tonight and take his scheduled visit with us tomorrow before he makes his commitment.
Not happening. It looks like a done deal.
Guess we're still broke.
The Chad Morris vibe is hard to deny with Silverfeld.
curne to ole miss official. the instate media bit hard thinking he had any interest in arkansas. never even came to hear an offer.
he turned us down last year and it's obvious he had no intention to commit this time around. fuck him.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 06, 2026, 09:44 AMcurne to ole miss official. the instate media bit hard thinking he had any interest in arkansas. never even came to hear an offer.
he turned us down last year and it's obvious he had no intention to commit this time around. fuck him.
And this is why Ole Miss winning the title (or even making the playoffs) is bad for us.
hiring his online coach certainly helped.
and yeah, i don't get any arkansas fan pulling for that program in anything.
Ole Miss is simply doing what it takes to succeed in this version of college football. They have the money folks that are hungry. We do not. It is as simple as that. All of these portal guys choosing them, in addition to 7 players announcing this week they are coming back for another season, including Chambliss (if he gets his waiver) and Lacy.
They are light years ahead of us in running a program, sadly.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 06, 2026, 09:48 AMAnd this is why Ole Miss winning the title (or even making the playoffs) is bad for us.
I don't really get that. I mean I don't want them to win because I just don't like them and they're in my backyard so I have to listen to a lot of them. But, is them winning it going to make it worse? They are already plucking whoever they want off our roster every year. I don't think them winning the baseball title gave them any leg up on us, except we covet something they have and feel we should rightly have gotten before them. They have built a better brand than us by hiring a good AD, who gives a shit about winning and in turn hires good coaches. We keep dipshit AD's who say we things publicly like we can't win in football and fumbles coaching hires and end up with loser coaches. Until we change that, it doesn't really matter, we're going to get leftovers or hope to find D2/3 diamonds that we can develop for serious programs to recruit. While it sucks and it's a tough pill to swallow, we aren't winning recruiting battles against ole Miss whether they win the natty or not.
Quote from: Borenutz on Jan 06, 2026, 10:09 AMI don't really get that. I mean I don't want them to win because I just don't like them and they're in my backyard so I have to listen to a lot of them. But, is them winning it going to make it worse? They are already plucking whoever they want off our roster every year. I don't think them winning the baseball title gave them any leg up on us, except we covet something they have and feel we should rightly have gotten before them. They have built a better brand than us by hiring a good AD, who gives a shit about winning and in turn hires good coaches. We keep dipshit AD's who say we things publicly like we can't win in football and fumbles coaching hires and end up with loser coaches. Until we change that, it doesn't really matter, we're going to get leftovers or hope to find D2/3 diamonds that we can develop for serious programs to recruit. While it sucks and it's a tough pill to swallow, we aren't winning recruiting battles against ole Miss whether they win the natty or not.
Every achievement they knock out and every year that status quo in administration and coaching continues makes the gap widen.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 06, 2026, 10:12 AMEvery achievement they knock out and every year that status quo in administration and coaching continues makes the gap widen.
not hard to understand.
signed a former 4* dl from usc. top 10 DL in 2024, didn't play much last season.
and a rb from michigan.
Grit says we're broke.
Until they give us a product to be vested in, they can kick rocks. I'll stay tuned in for basketball and baseball until then.
The doom and gloom in this thread does not seem to be warranted.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/team-rankings/football/2026/
Give it a year. The Ole Miss train will crash & burn, and they will revert to their rightful place.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 06, 2026, 09:48 AMAnd this is why Ole Miss winning the title (or even making the playoffs) is bad for us.
Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here.
Someone on this staff needs to see if this chick has eligibility
https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/2008240328390713540?s=20
What is DC Ron Roberts doing? It's a little concerning none of the UF guys wanted to follow him here.
I forgot that Ole Miss hired Frank Wilson
https://x.com/k_sutherlandAR/status/2008576992262680591?s=20
Shit.
Morris recruited better than this guy in his first season.
Quote from: mde114 on Jan 06, 2026, 03:04 PMShit.
Morris recruited better than this guy in his first season.
What are you talking about? We're going to have the best class ever! RS said so himself!
Quote from: passed on Jan 06, 2026, 03:12 PMWhat are you talking about? We're going to have the best class ever! RS said so himself!
I have tried to take the wait and see position on RS, but I'm about to portal over to darksider status.
AND...
If that kid from Arkansas turns out to be a decent QB for Utah, I'm going to be extremely disappointed
Quote from: passed on Jan 06, 2026, 03:12 PMWhat are you talking about? We're going to have the best class ever! RS said so himself!
I'm still taking a wait and see approach to our on the field performance (or lack there of) but that was an idiotic statement for him to make.
Quote from: mde114 on Jan 06, 2026, 03:17 PMI have tried to take the wait and see position on RS, but I'm about to portal over to darksider status.
AND...
If that kid from Arkansas turns out to be a decent QB for Utah, I'm going to be extremely disappointed
Yeah, I don't understand why you don't take a chance on a kid from Arkansas that won like 59-1 games from 9th grad on and has basically begged to be reruited. I know he's smallish for a QB but obviously he knows how to win. If it doesn't work out then he can move on and you kept a fence around the state.
Quote from: dhog on Jan 06, 2026, 03:47 PMYeah, I don't understand why you don't take a chance on a kid from Arkansas that won like 59-1 games from 9th grad on and has basically begged to be reruited. I know he's smallish for a QB but obviously he knows how to win. If it doesn't work out then he can move on and you kept a fence around the state.
Yeah, I really don't get the lack of trying for him... It makes no sense at all to me. On top of that, aren't we down to like one QB now?
no,we just signed another qb.
as far as taking a chance on archer, the same question could be put to every other sec team.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 06, 2026, 03:56 PMno,we just signed another qb.
as far as taking a chance on archer, the same question could be put to every other sec team.
That's right, we did. He looks good too. Nice size, good arm. Okay, I stand corrected. I'll move on.
Quote from: mde114 on Jan 06, 2026, 03:17 PMI have tried to take the wait and see position on RS, but I'm about to portal over to darksider status.
AND...
If that kid from Arkansas turns out to be a decent QB for Utah, I'm going to be extremely disappointed
Meh, I don't fault RS for that. Pittman's the one who didn't recruit him worth a shit. That ship had sailed by the time RS got our job.
Asking out of ignorance - so how's our portal class shaping up? Seems to be a lot of malaise and handwringing in here, but it's in our nature as Hog fans at this point.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 06, 2026, 04:12 PMAsking out of ignorance - so how's our portal class shaping up? Seems to be a lot of malaise and handwringing in here, but it's in our nature as Hog fans at this point.
So far today we've picked up DL from USC (the real one) and Virginia.
Quote from: dhog on Jan 06, 2026, 03:47 PMYeah, I don't understand why you don't take a chance on a kid from Arkansas that won like 59-1 games from 9th grad on and has basically begged to be reruited. I know he's smallish for a QB but obviously he knows how to win. If it doesn't work out then he can move on and you kept a fence around the state.
I get what you're saying, and I agree with the extra available scholarships this year it would have been nice to take a chance on a homegrown kid.
The flip side is that he probably wasn't going to see the field here for the next 2-3 years anyway. If he can put something on tape at Utah, based on his overt want to be a Razorback, maybe we could get him back in 2-3 years if it looks like he can play.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Jan 06, 2026, 04:18 PMThe flip side is that he probably wasn't going to see the field here for the next 2-3 years anyway. If he can put something on tape at Utah, based on his overt want to be a Razorback, maybe we could get him back in 2-3 years if it looks like he can play.
this part.
Quote from: dhog on Jan 06, 2026, 03:47 PMYeah, I don't understand why you don't take a chance on a kid from Arkansas that won like 59-1 games from 9th grad on and has basically begged to be reruited. I know he's smallish for a QB but obviously he knows how to win. If it doesn't work out then he can move on and you kept a fence around the state.
These days taking a chance means giving money to somebody that could've gone to another player. It is a different animal these days
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 06, 2026, 04:17 PMSo far today we've picked up DL from USC (the real one) and Virginia.
and a rb from michigan.
hard to tell the ranking since the sites don't have all the players listed.
commit from a tulane db. 42 tackles, 9 pbu, 4 picks.
a starting db from montana st. visits tomorrow.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 06, 2026, 04:17 PMSo far today we've picked up DL from USC (the real one) and Virginia.
I read the one from Virginia started out at Alabama. That makes me feel better about evaluation.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 06, 2026, 05:48 PMI read the one from Virginia started out at Alabama. That makes me feel better about evaluation.
The Alabama recruit part was encouraging, but to play debbil's advocate I also heard he was not a starter for Virginia this year playing ACC competition. Said he averaged around 20 snaps/game. If you could get him for less than what you would have had to pay Geffrard, I guess it's a wash.
https://x.com/transferportal/status/2008672750047834433?s=46
We're getting guys from lower conferences or guys that weren't starters in power conferences and hoping they can pan out. It'd be crazy to go full-darksider mode before we see how the staff is able to develop these players.
lsu has commits from boise st, howard, old dominion, and charlotte. auburn has 7 from usf. georgia has taken guys from army, and uab.
the 105 man roster means you're going to take players from all over just to fill it out.
edit: the georgia guys were taken in the spring portal of this past year.
let's see where this goes. guy just entered the portal.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/2008729889856446877
Yeah, and do you want a guy back that doesn't want to be there? Someone create a vehicle for me to short college athletics.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 06, 2026, 08:50 PMYeah, and do you want a guy back that doesn't want to be there? Someone create a vehicle for me to short college athletics.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47341610/prediction-market-kalshi-intends-offer-trading-portal
That soccer player was a girl who died of kidney cancer. Williams decided while everyone was at her memorial that it was a good time to announce he was leaving, 4 days after signing a revenue sharing agreement to stay.
https://x.com/coker_udub/status/2008730846338105365?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
lane had the leavitt guy at their basketball game tonight. did just tell him 'never mind' once this guy went into the portal?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 06, 2026, 09:47 PMThat soccer player was a girl who died of kidney cancer. Williams decided while everyone was at her memorial that it was a good time to announce he was leaving, 4 days after signing a revenue sharing agreement to stay.
https://x.com/coker_udub/status/2008730846338105365?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Just crazy and a completely unsustainable system. $6 million?
Dirty world
no one can verify these figures being thrown around.
and if it's rich guy's money, how is it not sustainable? it's obviously that important to them.
To Cal's point, the NCAA needs to do something. Limit transfers and deal with law suits later (if they happen). That will at least slow down the craziness it has become.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 06, 2026, 10:20 PMno one can verify these figures being thrown around.
and if it's rich guy's money, how is it not sustainable? it's obviously that important to them.
It's not sustainable over time. Rich guys die, or get bored and don't want to part with their money. The move on to other pastimes. It's my understanding, for instance, that John Tyson agreed to contribute 2 million a year for Calipari, but only for 2 or 3 years. It's not a long term commitment. In five years we will have a much different system. Not at all sure what it will be, but it will be different.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 06, 2026, 10:28 PMIt's not sustainable over time.
We've been saying this for a long time now. The entire University model with college sports, specifically football and basketball, has been unsustainable for over 20 years. When Saban hit the $10mm/yr mark, and his players were driving the latest versions of the Hellcat, I knew it was over. Saban could've taken off over night at any point during the calendar year for another job. But now it's a problem because players can too?
Meanwhile...the REAL students are paying "fees" to the University for the athletics dept. Imagine yourself as an engineering student at Bama in 2015 driving a broke down Chevy Cavalier riding past the offensive line dorm parking lot, and you pay $300/semester for an "athletics fee," knowing there's not a guy in those apartments with an IQ over 110, yet he's living the gravy train because he's on "the football team."
Quote from: TC on Jan 06, 2026, 11:45 PMWe've been saying this for a long time now. The entire University model with college sports, specifically football and basketball, has been unsustainable for over 20 years. When Saban hit the $10mm/yr mark, and his players were driving the latest versions of the Hellcat, I knew it was over. Saban could've taken off over night at any point during the calendar year for another job. But now it's a problem because players can too?
Meanwhile...the REAL students are paying "fees" to the University for the athletics dept. Imagine yourself as an engineering student at Bama in 2015 driving a broke down Chevy Cavalier riding past the offensive line dorm parking lot, and you pay $300/semester for an "athletics fee," knowing there's not a guy in those apartments with an IQ over 110, yet he's living the gravy train because he's on "the football team."
:maundoed: That was my son. Only it was from 2019-2024 and he was driving around Alabama getting his engineering degree on the G.I. Bill in a Honda Pilot.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 06, 2026, 10:28 PMIt's not sustainable over time. Rich guys die, or get bored and don't want to part with their money. The move on to other pastimes. It's my understanding, for instance, that John Tyson agreed to contribute 2 million a year for Calipari, but only for 2 or 3 years. It's not a long term commitment. In five years we will have a much different system. Not at all sure what it will be, but it will be different.
I think that was Tyson's way of saying we (the UA and fans) have to get our shit together. I kinda figure if he sees things progressing he will continue support but probably do so more privately.
I'm still half way expecting heavy corporate sponsored programs to become a thing. We are still mostly private individuals donating. What happens when Nike is competing with Dell, Tyson, and Carrier.... and not just a logo on a jersey or stadium naming rights but outright rent-a-program complete with enforcing contracts and mowing the lawn etc.
Quote from: TC on Jan 06, 2026, 11:45 PMWe've been saying this for a long time now. The entire University model with college sports, specifically football and basketball, has been unsustainable for over 20 years. When Saban hit the $10mm/yr mark, and his players were driving the latest versions of the Hellcat, I knew it was over. Saban could've taken off over night at any point during the calendar year for another job. But now it's a problem because players can too?
Meanwhile...the REAL students are paying "fees" to the University for the athletics dept. Imagine yourself as an engineering student at Bama in 2015 driving a broke down Chevy Cavalier riding past the offensive line dorm parking lot, and you pay $300/semester for an "athletics fee," knowing there's not a guy in those apartments with an IQ over 110, yet he's living the gravy train because he's on "the football team."
Saban could have left at any time...but he would have owed a significant buyout.
The only way this works is with enforceable contracts. That only happens if we get collective bargaining.
There is nothing unfair about limiting transfers to one time without penalty unless a coach leaves.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 07, 2026, 06:59 AMSaban could have left at any time...but he would have owed a significant buyout.
The only way this works is with enforceable contracts. That only happens if we get collective bargaining.
There is nothing unfair about limiting transfers to one time without penalty unless a coach leaves.
Correct. Simply saying "well the coaches have always done it" isn't really a fair comparison. The coaches all had/have multi-year contracts with buyout and non-compete(thought these are gone now) penalties. I would love for the players to be treated the same as the coaches. Ole Miss wants to poach you? They can buyout your remaining contract.
Never thought I'd say this, but good for the Big Ten. (read the thread)
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/2008957142230028554?s=20
Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
got a kid from obu on campus today, an ot. out of warren.
he got some film put out and now he's blowing up. lsu, vandy, tennessee and other p4 teams want a visit.
Got a corner from Clemson and the DE from Auburn.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 07, 2026, 06:59 AMSaban could have left at any time...but he would have owed a significant buyout.
The only way this works is with enforceable contracts. That only happens if we get collective bargaining.
There is nothing unfair about limiting transfers to one time without penalty unless a coach leaves.
I agree with 100% of everything you've said on this matter. Admittedly, I know very little about legal issues and unions, but here is my question- What advantage is there for college athletes to form a union and collectively bargain? Obviously, there are several advantages for professional players to collectively bargain against 32 owners and a league. I just don't see those advantages applying to college kids.
In fact, I'd say the "system" right now is 100% in favor of the college athlete maximizing their revenue over 4 years (or 7-8 years in some cases). If it truly is all about the money with these college players, I don't see any "compromise" institutions or the NCAA could bring to the table to make them want to give any of this up. Also, most of these advantages to the college athlete have been given to them by the courts so I don't see the courts reversing any of these issues either.
got the lb from north carolina.
Looks like we got a CB from Clemson and an EDGE player from Auburn today. Both of those are probably good athletes.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 07, 2026, 01:03 PMgot the lb from north carolina.
Hell yeah he was high on my list.
Platt signed a deal to return. Now we need some OL, receivers, and more defense.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 07, 2026, 06:59 AMSaban could have left at any time...but he would have owed a significant buyout.
The only way this works is with enforceable contracts. That only happens if we get collective bargaining.
There is nothing unfair about limiting transfers to one time without penalty unless a coach leaves.
I agree tranfers should be limited to one time, with an extra if the coach leaves. But you're fooling yourself if you think Saban would have to pay anything for leaving in that scenario. In fact I can't think of a single coach who ever paid the buyout himself. It's always the schools paying it. A buyout has never stopped a coach from leaving.
Quote from: Olhickoryhog on Jan 07, 2026, 12:52 PMI agree with 100% of everything you've said on this matter. Admittedly, I know very little about legal issues and unions, but here is my question- What advantage is there for college athletes to form a union and collectively bargain? Obviously, there are several advantages for professional players to collectively bargain against 32 owners and a league. I just don't see those advantages applying to college kids.
In fact, I'd say the "system" right now is 100% in favor of the college athlete maximizing their revenue over 4 years (or 7-8 years in some cases). If it truly is all about the money with these college players, I don't see any "compromise" institutions or the NCAA could bring to the table to make them want to give any of this up. Also, most of these advantages to the college athlete have been given to them by the courts so I don't see the courts reversing any of these issues either.
There is probably no advantage to the kids at all to collective bargaining. Only chance they do it is if the other option is completely blowing it up and starting over with actual students.
Quote from: TC on Jan 07, 2026, 01:32 PMI agree tranfers should be limited to one time, with an extra if the coach leaves. But you're fooling yourself if you think Saban would have to pay anything for leaving in that scenario. In fact I can't think of a single coach who ever paid the buyout himself. It's always the schools paying it. A buyout has never stopped a coach from leaving.
He wouldn't...but the school that hired him would.
If LSU was required to pay a seven figure buyout to Washington for Williams, it probably wouldn't change their minds either if they really want the QB. But at least Washington would get some compensation for their loss.
Putting that into a standard contract would help reduce some of the fuckery. You'll never stop it all.
Saw this on Twitter and I'm stealing it in case we ever get decent again under the new coach. G-FQbCeXsAAo735.jpeg
grayson wilson to boston college.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 07, 2026, 01:35 PMSaw this on Twitter and I'm stealing it in case we ever get decent again under the new coach. G-FQbCeXsAAo735.jpeg
Works for the title for our next darsider thread too!
;D
https://x.com/SD36036/status/2008606619899490647?s=20 (https://x.com/SD36036/status/2008606619899490647?s=20)
South Park wins again.
We added two tackles to our defense's combined stat line
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/2008961879817818368?s=20
#8 edge rusher in his class. he had surgery in 2024, missed all of spring camp and two guys ahead of him will be draft picks, one projected in the 1st round.
who knows how the guy contributes, but a little context matters.
QuoteQuote from: DirkPiggler on Today at 06:59 AM
Saban could have left at any time...but he would have owed a significant buyout.
Actually, Saban did not have a buyout or penalties, if he left for another school. I remember him kind of bragging about it in an interview. Of course, he was the exception and not the rule.
I tried to find an article which backs that up, but I couldn't find one. Here is a screenshot of what Google AI says about it.
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Quote from: vegashog on Jan 07, 2026, 02:28 PM#8 edge rusher in his class. he had surgery in 2024, missed all of spring camp and two guys ahead of him will be draft picks, one projected in the 1st round.
who knows how the guy contributes, but a little context matters.
I haven't been displeased by the class so far. They seem to be recruiting all over, which is good.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 07, 2026, 02:13 PMWe added two tackles to our defense's combined stat line
https://x.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/2008961879817818368?s=20
Football positions are written in all caps now? Defensive end or DE or just end isn't good enough any more? EDGE
Get the fuck off my lawn.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 07, 2026, 02:59 PMFootball positions are written in all caps now? Defensive end or DE or just end isn't good enough any more? EDGE
Get the fuck off my lawn.
He plays loose, fast, and on the EDGE of out of control.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 07, 2026, 02:59 PMFootball positions are written in all caps now? Defensive end or DE or just end isn't good enough any more? EDGE
Get the fuck off my lawn.
I think it is only EDGE that is in all caps; haven't seen the others written that way.
Big time DE commitment from Kentucky. We'll have two legit pass rushers now. Really like the defense pickups so far. Need to go find a couple receivers.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 07, 2026, 03:32 PMBig time DE commitment from Kentucky. We'll have two legit pass rushers now. Really like the defense pickups so far. Need to go find a couple receivers.
Interesting stat line: 11 G | 11 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 2 PBU, 3 QBH, 2 FF
Sounds like he's purely a pass rush specialist and I'm good with that.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 07, 2026, 02:41 PMI haven't been displeased by the class so far. They seem to be recruiting all over, which is good.
With guys like that we should have the most improved defense in the nation. Actually just having 11 functioning brains on the field would accomplish that.
https://x.com/max_olson/status/2008974511165853755?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Charlie Collins is returning.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 07, 2026, 02:41 PMI haven't been displeased by the class so far. They seem to be recruiting all over, which is good.
Can't even call it recrooting anymore. It's transacting.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Jan 07, 2026, 04:23 PMCan't even call it recrooting anymore. It's transacting.
They love the helmet.
This portal stuff is the silliest shit.
I won't care until the first week of September.
Meanwhile...this guy CARES NOW!!!
https://x.com/olemissBK/status/2008740488208409071 (https://x.com/olemissBK/status/2008740488208409071)
Quote from: HTL on Jan 07, 2026, 04:16 PMCharlie Collins is returning.
What is he-- the second or third guy that entered the portal and then backed out? Obviously, we don't have the "if you ever go to the portal, you can't come back" policy. And that really doesn't bother me. These kids are in uncharted territory, and they can't really all be expected to make the right decision so quickly.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 07, 2026, 05:43 PMWhat is he-- the second or third guy that entered the portal and then backed out? Obviously, we don't have the "if you ever go to the portal, you can't come back" policy. And that really doesn't bother me. These kids are in uncharted territory, and they can't really all be expected to make the right decision so quickly.
Most of these kids aren't going pro. If you have a chance to go make an extra few hundred grand plus for a few years by entering the portal, you probably have to try.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 07, 2026, 04:24 PMThey love the helmet.
As long as it's full of $100 bills.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 07, 2026, 05:43 PMWhat is he-- the second or third guy that entered the portal and then backed out? Obviously, we don't have the "if you ever go to the portal, you can't come back" policy. And that really doesn't bother me. These kids are in uncharted territory, and they can't really all be expected to make the right decision so quickly.
Who even is he?
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Jan 07, 2026, 05:27 PMThis portal stuff is the silliest shit.
I won't care until the first week of September.
Meanwhile...this guy CARES NOW!!!
https://x.com/olemissBK/status/2008740488208409071 (https://x.com/olemissBK/status/2008740488208409071)
The pending LSU implosion is going to be glorious as the Lane train derails into the bayou.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 07, 2026, 05:43 PMWhat is he-- the second or third guy that entered the portal and then backed out? Obviously, we don't have the "if you ever go to the portal, you can't come back" policy. And that really doesn't bother me. These kids are in uncharted territory, and they can't really all be expected to make the right decision so quickly.
That's already outdated. It was to discourage portal usage.
The barn door is wide open now. Hell, come back and bring a couple of linebackers too while you're at it.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 07, 2026, 05:47 PMMost of these kids aren't going pro. If you have a chance to go make an extra few hundred grand plus for a few years by entering the portal, you probably have to try.
Exactly. get it while the iron is hot. We'd all do the exact same thing.
I'll be excited about Collins if he gains another 20-30 lbs of muscle by fall camp.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 07, 2026, 03:55 PMInteresting stat line: 11 G | 11 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 2 PBU, 3 QBH, 2 FF
Sounds like he's purely a pass rush specialist and I'm good with that.
I'm not looking it up, but I bet that is better than anyone who is not named Jr.
The OBU OT from Warren now has offers from OU and Auburn in addition to LSU.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 07, 2026, 09:30 PMThe OBU OT from Warren now has offers from OU and Auburn in addition to LSU.
and vandy has supposedly offered a shitload.
Bo Jackson may be leaving Ohio State if they dont pay him more than former OSU RB and 2nd round pick TreVeyon Henderson is making this year in New England.
got a db from maryland. started 11 games, 27 tackes, 3 int.
visited georgia tech and ohio st.
I would not pay up for a D-II OL. Will take a year to get adjusted to this league.
it's tricky. obviously some good programs are seeing high potential.
he's going to need a year regardless. if he goes to lsu and becomes a multi year starter, people will say why didn't we land this guy.
Sounds like we got an Oregon St OL last night. I hope he's big and mean.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 07, 2026, 09:30 PMThe OBU OT from Warren now has offers from OU and Auburn in addition to LSU.
Hopefully, Silverfield has already buddied up to Bo Hembree.
We got a TE from Memphis.
Got another Lb
Sure seems like Silvernuts knows he needs pretty much an entirely new defense.
Starting LB from Baylor before going down with an injury. Now give me some receivers.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 08, 2026, 10:49 AMStarting LB from Baylor before going down with an injury. Now give me some receivers.
Hooks from UAB is supposed to be there today.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 08, 2026, 10:51 AMHooks from UAB is supposed to be there today.
We got an expert prediction for some wr from New Mexico State.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 08, 2026, 10:49 AMStarting LB from Baylor before going down with an injury. Now give me some receivers.
had a great season at fresno st. in 2024. 48 tackles, 4 sacks, and two picks.
May be done at LB. Good looking group.
another db from maryland. young guy, needs some time. depth piece for now.
Got another DB from Maryland.
I'd like a couple more DLs please.
and maybe a pass catcher or two.
hopefully the guy from aub like what he sees.
Have a visit coming from an ODU receiver too.
Sounds like another DB in the boat shortly.
Georgia State DB Tyler Scott. Formerly at Auburn.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 07, 2026, 12:06 PMNever thought I'd say this, but good for the Big Ten. (read the thread)
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/2008957142230028554?s=20
Got dropped by his agent. Turns out he used the same agent as his head coach.
when your agent bounces, it probably means this isn't going to go smoothly for you.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 07, 2026, 09:30 PMThe OBU OT from Warren now has offers from OU and Auburn in addition to LSU.
Kid must have had some crazy good tape. He's almost up to offers from half the SEC.
He's in for some culture shock after a year in Arkadelphia.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 08, 2026, 03:20 PMKid must have had some crazy good tape. He's almost up to offers from half the SEC.
He's in for some culture shock after a year in Arkadelphia.
Hell that guy that played at UAPB or some place ended up for the Saints for several years at a pro bowl level
Armstead
Those guys are out there and the ua is always the last to know
Quote from: animal on Jan 08, 2026, 03:28 PMHell that guy that played at UAPB or some place ended up for the Saints for several years at a pro bowl level
Armstead
Those guys are out there and the ua is always the last to know
actually we were the first to offer and get a visit for the obu guy.
the same thing happened with a juco qb that's supposed to visit tomorrow. now has offers from texas tech, fsu, and kentucky.
got a wr from new mexico st. 61 receptions, 661 yards, and 7 td.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 08, 2026, 03:20 PMKid must have had some crazy good tape. He's almost up to offers from half the SEC.
He's in for some culture shock after a year in Arkadelphia.
OBU O line coach is a former Hog.
https://obutigers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/brett-shockley/1772
got an ot from louisiana. #6 tackle in the portal, visited fsu and south carolina.
also a guard from memphis. huge kid.
It appears we have tapped into some funding.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 08, 2026, 08:57 PMgot an ot from louisiana. #6 tackle in the portal, visited fsu and south carolina.
also a guard from memphis. huge kid.
The OT is a monster get. Immediate starter.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 08, 2026, 09:04 PMThe OT is a monster get. Immediate starter.
started all their games, zero sacks given up.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 08, 2026, 09:05 PMstarted all their games, zero sacks given up.
Blackstock hits the portal the same day we get this guy.
I guess it's a wash.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 08, 2026, 09:21 PMBlackstock hits the portal the same day we get this guy.
I guess it's a wash.
Blackstock = Temu Ray Dominguez
Lot of smoke on Auburn WR Simmons. Also expecting a commit from Mississippi State DT.
tj metcalf in the portal.
Rumor is that we tampered to get Metcalf into the portal.
If that's true, it means our nuts finally dropped as a program and we can drop the Pollyanna "we do things the right way" bullshit.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 09, 2026, 06:06 AMRumor is that we tampered to get Metcalf into the portal.
If that's true, it means our nuts finally dropped as a program and we can drop the Pollyanna "we do things the right way" bullshit.
Please let this be true.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 09, 2026, 06:06 AMRumor is that we tampered to get Metcalf into the portal.
If that's true, it means our nuts finally dropped as a program and we can drop the Pollyanna "we do things the right way" bullshit.
Not sure there's even such a thing as tampering anymore.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 09, 2026, 06:06 AMRumor is that we tampered to get Metcalf into the portal.
If that's true, it means our nuts finally dropped as a program and we can drop the Pollyanna "we do things the right way" bullshit.
Does that mean we are "serious" about football?
Quote from: Feral on Jan 09, 2026, 06:06 AMRumor is that we tampered to get Metcalf into the portal.
If that's true, it means our nuts finally dropped as a program and we can drop the Pollyanna "we do things the right way" bullshit.
Great, NOW there will be rules put in place and penalties issued.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 08, 2026, 09:21 PMBlackstock hits the portal the same day we get this guy.
I guess it's a wash.
Didn't Blackstock move over to DLine anyway?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 09, 2026, 09:21 AMDoes that mean we are "serious" about football?
It would be a step in the right direction about 5 years too late.
And yes I know you're being a smartass because you hate the "not serious" line.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 09, 2026, 09:49 AMIt would be a step in the right direction about 5 years too late.
And yes I know you're being a smartass because you hate the "not serious" line.
I don't see how anyone could argue that we were doing our best to compete last year...from the lack of investment in a roster down to the retention of a clearly incapable head coach. Being serious about football doesn't just mean giving a stern look and having a placeholder in every role.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Jan 09, 2026, 09:43 AMDidn't Blackstock move over to DLine anyway?
yes, and didn't piss a drop. wasn't any wash, we came out way ahead.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 09, 2026, 09:52 AMI don't see how anyone could argue that we were doing our best to compete last year...from the lack of investment in a roster down to the retention of a clearly incapable head coach. Being serious about football doesn't just mean giving a stern look and having a placeholder in every role.
How do you "invest" if you don't have the money? Should we borrow it? Would that convince you guys that we are "serious."
That's the stupidest, most nonsensical term I can think of to use to describe a football program.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 09, 2026, 09:42 AMGreat, NOW there will be rules put in place and penalties issued.
After a 4 year investigation.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 09, 2026, 09:57 AMHow do you "invest" if you don't have the money? Should we borrow it? Would that convince you guys that we are "serious."
That's the stupidest, most nonsensical term I can think of to use to describe a football program.
Where did we all of a sudden get this money that we're using to clean up in the portal right now?
I'll answer for you. It was available all along. Decisions like hiring Pittman, giving him a prohibitive buyout when we were only competing against ourselves for his services, then keeping him at least two years after he should have been fired kept the people who were holding onto that money from making it available. It would have been like piling it up on the fifty yard line and setting it on fire.
Making those kinds of decisions show that you aren't serious about competing in the sport. You can call that stupid if you want, but judging by just how quickly the money came back it appears that the people with the ability to influence outcomes agree with me (and pretty much everyone here but you). Call it something different if it makes you feel better, but it's still the same thing.
As for borrowing it, that's exactly what the team we saw last night did to jump start their ascent. It's not my preferred method and isn't something we would have had to do if our AD was managing things properly, but to dismiss it as an option is ignorant. I don't think anyone at Ole Miss regrets the decisions that got them here.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 09, 2026, 10:11 AMWhere did we all of a sudden get this money that we're using to clean up in the portal right now?
I'll answer for you. It was available all along. Decisions like hiring Pittman, giving him a prohibitive buyout when we were only competing against ourselves for his services, then keeping him at least two years after he should have been fired kept the people who were holding onto that money from making it available. It would have been like piling it up on the fifty yard line and setting it on fire.
Making those kinds of decisions show that you aren't serious about competing in the sport. You can call that stupid if you want, but judging by just how quickly the money came back it appears that the people with the ability to influence outcomes agree with me (and pretty much everyone here but you). Call it something different if it makes you feel better, but it's still the same thing.
As for borrowing it, that's exactly what the team we saw last night did to jump start their ascent. It's not my preferred method and isn't something we would have had to do if our AD was managing things properly, but to dismiss it as an option is ignorant. I don't think anyone at Ole Miss regrets the decisions that got them here.
Insert applause gif
yurachek himself said that pittman didn't have the 'resources' he needed, ie. the boosters stopped investing in the program.
on another note, we seemed to have made a good move by getting that gm from arizona.
have a big time safety from clemson on campus. started 12 games, was 2nd nationally in picks (6).
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 09, 2026, 10:51 AMhave a big time safety from clemson on campus. started 12 games, was 2nd nationally in picks (6).
Oh fuck you're gonna make me call the hogs.
Give me this guy, Metcalf, Roberson, the UAB and Auburn receivers and I'll renew season tickets.
still need a couple more DLs
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Jan 09, 2026, 11:00 AMstill need a couple more DLs
Supposed to get a DT from Mississippi State then sounds like we're done.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 09, 2026, 10:51 AMhave a big time safety from clemson on campus. started 12 games, was 2nd nationally in picks (6).
Our state media keep hyping up every single transfer as some kind of a massive pick up for us.
That guy really would be.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 09, 2026, 11:05 AMOur state media keep hyping up every single transfer as some kind of a massive pick up for us.
That guy really would be.
Tulane and Maryland corners look like great pickups and the OT from Louisiana. Kentucky DE has production in this league.
got the tackle from obu.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 09, 2026, 10:11 AMWhere did we all of a sudden get this money that we're using to clean up in the portal right now?
I'll answer for you. It was available all along. Decisions like hiring Pittman, giving him a prohibitive buyout when we were only competing against ourselves for his services, then keeping him at least two years after he should have been fired kept the people who were holding onto that money from making it available. It would have been like piling it up on the fifty yard line and setting it on fire.
Making those kinds of decisions show that you aren't serious about competing in the sport. You can call that stupid if you want, but judging by just how quickly the money came back it appears that the people with the ability to influence outcomes agree with me (and pretty much everyone here but you). Call it something different if it makes you feel better, but it's still the same thing.
As for borrowing it, that's exactly what the team we saw last night did to jump start their ascent. It's not my preferred method and isn't something we would have had to do if our AD was managing things properly, but to dismiss it as an option is ignorant. I don't think anyone at Ole Miss regrets the decisions that got them here.
Here, here.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Jan 09, 2026, 09:43 AMDidn't Blackstock move over to DLine anyway?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 09, 2026, 09:53 AMyes, and didn't piss a drop. wasn't any wash, we came out way ahead.
Guess I missed adding the sarcasm tag
Quote from: Loma on Jan 05, 2026, 03:07 PMWe are getting kickers in the portal. Bad sign
We have vastly improved over the last couple of days.
I don't care who we pick up on the defensive side of the ball. They will be better than the bunch we rolled out there this year.
Got a TE from Boston College.
Picked up a TE from BC and Bama. Former 4 star who was the #2 player in Tennessee and picked Bama over a slew of SEC schools.
Not much in the way of stats but projects well and has 3 years of eligibility.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 09, 2026, 01:44 PMPicked up a TE from BC and Bama. Former 4 star who was the #2 player in Tennessee and picked Bama over a slew of SEC schools.
Not much in the way of stats but projects well and has 3 years of eligibility.
Does he still have all his hair?
Was Petrino this guy's wingman at the clubs?
https://x.com/InsideCarolina/status/2009647107217711116?s=20
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 09, 2026, 10:11 AMWhere did we all of a sudden get this money that we're using to clean up in the portal right now?
I'll answer for you. It was available all along. Decisions like hiring Pittman, giving him a prohibitive buyout when we were only competing against ourselves for his services, then keeping him at least two years after he should have been fired kept the people who were holding onto that money from making it available. It would have been like piling it up on the fifty yard line and setting it on fire.
Making those kinds of decisions show that you aren't serious about competing in the sport. You can call that stupid if you want, but judging by just how quickly the money came back it appears that the people with the ability to influence outcomes agree with me (and pretty much everyone here but you). Call it something different if it makes you feel better, but it's still the same thing.
As for borrowing it, that's exactly what the team we saw last night did to jump start their ascent. It's not my preferred method and isn't something we would have had to do if our AD was managing things properly, but to dismiss it as an option is ignorant. I don't think anyone at Ole Miss regrets the decisions that got them here.
Yet another reason we need a new athletic director as it should not have taken 8 years to get to this point.
And the 4 bot members who think he's is doing a great job need to go too.
Simmons, Iverson, Clemson safety will be Hogs. Keep this here.
david oke to return. could be big if he can actually stay on the field.
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https://x.com/i/status/2010059071471448074 (https://x.com/i/status/2010059071471448074)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Jan 10, 2026, 01:11 PMComments
https://x.com/i/status/2010059071471448074 (https://x.com/i/status/2010059071471448074)
Without details it's meaningless. Did they provide him with blow? Haze him? Withdraw a scholarship? Fail to text enough times? Insult his mother?
the qb hendrix is going to reclassify and be on the hill in may.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 10, 2026, 01:14 PMthe qb hendrix is going to reclassify and be on the hill in may.
Casey has always been a little bitch lol.
by putting that out that he ruins the kid's announcement. it's the kid he fucks over, not the staff at arkansas.
We've got another DB commit inbound. Please be Ricardo Jones.
Likely adding Boise State WR Marshall.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 10, 2026, 01:21 PMby putting that out that he ruins the kid's announcement. it's the kid he fucks over, not the staff at arkansas.
Not to mention, he's actively pissing off a guy responsible for bringing 10-15 football coaches in new to the area each year. It's highly likely that a few of those have players that could have helped FHS win. At least two of his last three starting QBs got here as a result of UA football hiring their dads. I guess those guys will go to Shiloh or one of the other 7A-West programs now.
and it's been deleted.
Get Silverfucked
Why does he have his ass up? I guess I probably should know.
https://x.com/arkansasfbfan94/status/2010076340435980796?
Quote from: HTL on Jan 10, 2026, 01:15 PMCasey has always been a little bitch lol.
He couldn't even complete 4 passes on 17 attempts, at least not to his own team. Fuck that loser. I hope the UA coaches told him as much.
Welcome to the new world Casey. Don't hate the playa. You wouldn't have said no in his position.
Sounds like Casey needs to somehow poach somebodies QB who's momma mysteriously got a job in the district etc etc.
I hope that X post puts his ass in hot water. What a bitch move on his part.
I'm just not sure it's bright to skip your senior year of high school to go sit on the bench at Arkansas for x number of years for a completely unproven coaching staff. Especially true since you can microwave your depth chart easy enough at the QB spot with proven to semi proven talent. *no guarantee you are ever really in the "plans".
Also I'm sure it leaves Casey Dick holding his...dick.
Quote from: animal on Jan 10, 2026, 05:02 PMI'm just not sure it's bright to skip your senior year of high school to go sit on the bench at Arkansas for x number of years for a completely unproven coaching staff. Especially true since you can microwave your depth chart easy enough at the QB spot with proven to semi proven talent. *no guarantee you are ever really in the "plans".
Also I'm sure it leaves Casey Dick holding his...dick.
I agree with you 100%
I didn't play football in highschool, but I'd imagine senior year at a large highschool as the star QB would generally be a good time.
That said, hundreds of thousands of dollars has some merit too.
Quote from: animal on Jan 10, 2026, 05:02 PMI'm just not sure it's bright to skip your senior year of high school to go sit on the bench at Arkansas for x number of years for a completely unproven coaching staff. Especially true since you can microwave your depth chart easy enough at the QB spot with proven to semi proven talent. *no guarantee you are ever really in the "plans".
Also I'm sure it leaves Casey Dick holding his...dick.
With the money college players are making now, I would graduate from HS as fast as possible and start cashing checks.
"unproven", the oc has been at the college level for 22 years and the qb coach for 10. the coaching is going to miles better than he's going to get high school. i get that some don't like the hire, but seriously how can that be an argument?
the training and nutrition will be on a completely different level. why risk injury. and if he stayed another year and some other school got him, people would lose their minds that arkansas lost the #1 prospect in the state.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 10, 2026, 05:08 PMWith the money college players are making now, I would graduate from HS as fast as possible and start cashing checks.
and this.
Also college pussy is better than hs pussy
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 10, 2026, 01:12 PMWithout details it's meaningless. Did they provide him with blow? Haze him? Withdraw a scholarship? Fail to text enough times? Insult his mother?
Casey dick is a moron. He deleted the post. Probably told by the boosters hes punishing every remaining player on his squad, and that all his other stars are transferring. What a way to sidle up to the new coach. Another og coach that hates the new college ball because he doesn't want to learn how to play it.
Quote from: animal on Jan 10, 2026, 05:02 PMI'm just not sure it's bright to skip your senior year of high school to go sit on the bench at Arkansas for x number of years for a completely unproven coaching staff. Especially true since you can microwave your depth chart easy enough at the QB spot with proven to semi proven talent. *no guarantee you are ever really in the "plans".
Also I'm sure it leaves Casey Dick holding his...dick.
Unproven? The new coach and staff are years beyond some of the shit we've endured the past few years.
Hey Zeus
Somebody got in his ass.
https://x.com/coachcdick/status/2010135350887276596?s=46
It was an impressive crash out. Might be time to look for jobs back in Texas.
https://x.com/HotWingKilla/status/2010077324507746307?s=20
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 10, 2026, 05:06 PMI didn't play football in highschool, but I'd imagine senior year at a large highschool as the star QB would generally be a good time.
That said, hundreds of thousands of dollars has some merit too.
Rumor I heard today was he got ten hundreds of thousands for his decision.
Quote from: animal on Jan 10, 2026, 05:02 PMI'm just not sure it's bright to skip your senior year of high school to go sit on the bench at Arkansas for x number of years for a completely unproven coaching staff. Especially true since you can microwave your depth chart easy enough at the QB spot with proven to semi proven talent. *no guarantee you are ever really in the "plans".
Also I'm sure it leaves Casey Dick holding his...dick.
If he plays with his Dick next year then he's sitting in 2027 behind someone and likely not starting until at least 2028.
Now he gets to sit, redshirt, learn the playbook in 2026 and compete to start a year earlier. Also gets the chance to play in the NFL a year earlier if he's good enough to get drafted early.
Lane getting desperate? Leavitt going to Knoxville?
lol
https://x.com/on3sports/status/2010162035548389742?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 10, 2026, 07:16 PMRumor I heard today was he got ten hundreds of thousands for his decision.
I'm in the sauce again but are you saying we just gave a 17 y/o a million?
Is he that good? I had never heard of him but saw that he's around 120 overall player in 2027.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 10, 2026, 08:01 PMI'm in the sauce again but are you saying we just gave a 17 y/o a million?
Is he that good? I had never heard of him but saw that he's around 120 overall player in 2027.
That's what I heard. Not sure I believe it.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 10, 2026, 08:02 PMThat's what I heard. Not sure I believe it.
I don't even care. Not my money and he may be worth every penny. I just know nothing about him. Is there a chance he would compete this year to start? How good was Fayetteville last year?
He is good. Throws a beautiful and catchable deep ball, very accurate like drake lindsey was but smaller, better runner than drake.
He is a d1 talent. Great pocket presence. Very bright future I think. More game reps never hurt.
Still, not sure in the portal era with all the qb movement I would encourage any kid to reclassify or spend nil but not my kid and or my decision to make.
I do wonder how coach found out what was happening.
Unofficially in 2025
PASSING LEADERS:
No. Player Comp. Att Yards TD INT
3 Hank Hendrix 232 377 3588 32 6
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Jan 10, 2026, 05:55 PMSomebody got in his ass.
https://x.com/coachcdick/status/2010135350887276596?s=46
BMFP?
So did we get the Clemson DB?
Quote from: Feral on Jan 10, 2026, 09:37 PMSo did we get the Clemson DB?
Isn't HTL's word good enough for you?
https://x.com/transferportal/status/2010063617165758641?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Seems like now we have what, 5 qbs?
4 qb. they wanted some experience in the room.
as far as the hendrix kid, his dad was hired on the staff back in january of last year and petrino promoted him to safeties coach.
there is zero reason to believe that bobby didn't know him reclassifying was at least a possibility. could very well be why neither staff went after archer.
The decision to reclassify is a business decision, and I don't fault him or think it is a bad decision. You get into the $$ sooner, into the program with more capabilities (nutrition, playbook learning, strength and conditioning) than even a large HS program.
I've mentioned this before but the #1 HS catcher reclassified so he's eligible for the '26 MLB draft. He's projected to go 1st round and is committed to Miss State as a fallback plan. He won't ever step on a college campus to play unless an injury or unforeseen circumstance occurs and is getting an extra year to earn more money. Get it ($$) while you can would be my advice to young studs of their sport.
LB from WVU and safety from Memphis are in. Still waiting on some big names.
https://x.com/chris_hummer/status/2010462967410700431?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
It always befuddles me how any of these guys can keep up with their academics moving around so much. :stache:
Quote from: animal on Jan 11, 2026, 05:19 PMIt always befuddles me how any of these guys can keep up with their academics moving around so much. :stache:
It's almost like it doesn't matter anymore
Chris Marshall is in the boat. Really hoping to get good news on Hooks and Ricardo Jones then I don't care too much after that.
Quote from: animal on Jan 11, 2026, 05:19 PMIt always befuddles me how any of these guys can keep up with their academics moving around so much. :stache:
They probably use the NIL money for tutors.
the wr from boise signs. big time talent but a bit of a head case.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2026, 05:41 PMthe wr from boise signs. big time talent but a bit of a head case.
Great, we tried one of those types from Boise. Is his last name Green?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2026, 05:41 PMthe wr from boise signs. big time talent but a bit of a head case.
Kicked out of A&M and Ole Miss and served some kind of disciplinary action time at Boise.
But, we can fix him.
The kid from Fayetteville is 16. This came from Facebook:
Just a few tidbits about Our newest QB commit in the 2026 class. He will enroll in May.
Hank Hendrix is 16. He's 6'3" and 175 lbs.
His dad is on staff at the U of A as assistant safeties coach and high school relations. (Ironic)
Hank had a monster year as a sophomore in 5A in Texas. Passing: 4,237 yards, 46 touchdowns, 6 interceptions.
Completion Rate: 70.4% (274/389).
As a Freshman he threw for over 1800 yds, 18 tds and 1 int.
At Fayetteville he threw for 3600 yards with 36 Td's as a junior.
really has nothing left to prove in HS
Hopefully we don't have a coach to wreck him like Hootie did Mustain.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 11, 2026, 05:32 PMChris Marshall is in the boat. Really hoping to get good news on Hooks and Ricardo Jones then I don't care too much after that.
Hooks is visiting Oregon now. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Vandy outbid us for Jones. TJ Metcalf officially in the portal.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 12, 2026, 08:32 AMVandy outbid us for Jones. TJ Metcalf officially in the portal.
TJ was already in the portal. His brother Tevis is the one who just entered.
We need to get both of them back.
Just added Jelani Watkins...WR from LSU.
Plans to play football and run track.
Only played in one game as a freshman, so he should have four years of eligibility.
How we looking on the DL?
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Jan 12, 2026, 10:29 AMHow we looking on the DL?
We have signed two interior DL (from USC and Virginia) and two ends (from Auburn and Kentucky).
Also have one JUCO signee.
Charleston Collins withdrew from the portal so he's back. And the mythical creature known as David Oke is allegedly healthy and returning to hopefully play in more than one game this year.
Full breakdown by position so far (just players added via portal):
QB: 2
RB: 2
WR: 4
TE: 2
OL: 5
DE: 2
DT: 2
LB: 5
DB: 7
PK: 2
LS: 1
Supposedly they are trying to find at least one more DL and safety.
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/2010748654697730210?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/mzenitz/status/2010748654697730210?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
Basically no production. Not thrilled with the skill player pickups.
I could be wrong but we seem to have gotten a lot more D1 transfers than we ever did under Pittman.
good info Dirk, thanks
Insane money
https://x.com/nextroundlive/status/2010720737133281285?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
that's crazy for a qb that had his soul sucked out of him by indiana. they must know he's going to be ok in the head after that game.
Quote from: BASS on Jan 12, 2026, 01:09 PMthat's crazy for a qb that had his soul sucked out of him by indiana. they must know he's going to be ok in the head after that game.
Plenty of crazy things happening in the portal...
Somebody should come up with an offense that only needs a game manager at QB because obviously there are not enough that can do what they are asked to do.
I listened to Biddy's podcast this morning. He thinks we need 2 more DLs and 3-4 safeties. I hope there is some money left. If not, the person in Cabot needs to step up.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Jan 13, 2026, 08:18 AMI listened to Biddy's podcast this morning. He thinks we need 2 more DLs and 3-4 safeties. I hope there is some money left. If not, the person in Cabot needs to step up.
don't think that person ever came up for air.
I don't know how people buy lottery tickets and then just never look to see if they won. Though I guess it could have been a large purchase for a Christmas party or something. My brain is thinking they should have some kind of time stamp on when the winning ticket was purchased backed up by photo of person making the purchase to at least get an idea who it is.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Jan 13, 2026, 08:18 AMI listened to Biddy's podcast this morning. He thinks we need 2 more DLs and 3-4 safeties. I hope there is some money left. If not, the person in Cabot needs to step up.
Not sure how insightful that is. Most every team needs more DLs and Safeties. But it does concern me that he says we need 3-4 more safeties. Seems like that would mean we have almost none.
Metcalf (the TJ version) to Tennessee >:(
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 13, 2026, 08:46 AMNot sure how insightful that is. Most every team needs more DLs and Safeties. But it does concern me that he says we need 3-4 more safeties. Seems like that would mean we have almost none.
We played all last season with none
Quote from: animal on Jan 13, 2026, 08:50 AMWe played all last season with none
And we see how that worked out.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 13, 2026, 08:59 AMAnd we see how that worked out.
Opponents offensive efficiency was pretty decent.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 13, 2026, 08:48 AMMetcalf (the TJ version) to Tennessee >:(
Damnit. We're back to the drawing board at safety. Missed the best DB transfer from Memphis too to Michigan. Seems we're low on funds again.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 13, 2026, 09:05 AMSeems we're low on funds again.
That seems like an area where you could help out.
biddy said metcalf didn't have any interest in coming back. he took one visit and that was to tennessee.
Quote from: animal on Jan 13, 2026, 08:41 AMdon't think that person ever came up for air.
I don't know how people buy lottery tickets and then just never look to see if they won. Though I guess it could have been a large purchase for a Christmas party or something. My brain is thinking they should have some kind of time stamp on when the winning ticket was purchased backed up by photo of person making the purchase to at least get an idea who it is.
I think you get like six months to claim and then anonymity for a year or two before your name has to be released.
Smart to let the smoke settle and get everything in order before claiming it and then stay anonymous as long as possible.
Thats what I would do, but there would also be signs I came into cash during that time.
Quote from: animal on Jan 13, 2026, 08:41 AMdon't think that person ever came up for air.
I don't know how people buy lottery tickets and then just never look to see if they won. Though I guess it could have been a large purchase for a Christmas party or something. My brain is thinking they should have some kind of time stamp on when the winning ticket was purchased backed up by photo of person making the purchase to at least get an idea who it is.
I'm wondering if they have the purchase of that ticket on video. I'll bet they know exactly what time it was sold.
Quote from: animal on Jan 13, 2026, 08:41 AMdon't think that person ever came up for air.
I don't know how people buy lottery tickets and then just never look to see if they won. Though I guess it could have been a large purchase for a Christmas party or something. My brain is thinking they should have some kind of time stamp on when the winning ticket was purchased backed up by photo of person making the purchase to at least get an idea who it is.
you have 180 days to claim the prize. its best to take your time. hire a lawyer, set up a holding company llc that then owns the ticket in a state with no income tax, rent apartment there to establish residency, then claim the ticket, the holding company owns all of the money, you own the holding company and employ yourself and pay yourself a salary. that way bubba can't jump in front of your car and sue you for $100mm the day after you claim the prize. its not "your" money. yet. it belongs to the company you own.
Quote from: BASS on Jan 13, 2026, 10:12 AMyou have 180 days to claim the prize. its best to take your time. hire a lawyer, set up a holding company llc that then owns the ticket in a state with no income tax, rent apartment there to establish residency, then claim the ticket, the holding company owns all of the money, you own the holding company and employ yourself and pay yourself a salary. that way bubba can't jump in front of your car and sue you for $100mm the day after you claim the prize. its not "your" money. yet. it belongs to the company you own.
Good advice except that you're going to owe the state of Arkansas its share of the income tax regardless of where your holding company is located. Income earned in a state is taxable in that state regardless of where the corporate office sits. So there's really no advantage I can see to setting up out of state. Sarah is going to get her cut regardless.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 13, 2026, 10:53 AMGood advice except that you're going to owe the state of Arkansas its share of the income tax regardless of where your holding company is located. Income earned in a state is taxable in that state regardless of where the corporate office sits. So there's really no advantage I can see to setting up out of state. Sarah is going to get her cut regardless.
That new prison ain't gonna fund itself
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Jan 13, 2026, 09:07 AMThat seems like an area where you could help out.
Post of the day!!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 13, 2026, 10:53 AMGood advice except that you're going to owe the state of Arkansas its share of the income tax regardless of where your holding company is located. Income earned in a state is taxable in that state regardless of where the corporate office sits. So there's really no advantage I can see to setting up out of state. Sarah is going to get her cut regardless.
I really wonder how it would work if I won it, being a resident of Texarkana, AR. We are exempt from state income tax. We do pay a little more sales tax.
Stems from a time in the late 70's when Texarkana had a couple of well connected legislators. But honestly there wouldn't be much of a Texarkana Arkansas without that exemption.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 13, 2026, 06:32 PMI really wonder how it would work if I won it, being a resident of Texarkana, AR. We are exempt from state income tax. We do pay a little more sales tax.
Stems from a time in the late 70's when Texarkana had a couple of well connected legislators. But honestly there wouldn't be much of a Texarkana Arkansas without that exemption.
My understanding is that the Border City Exemption is intended to exempt from income tax, not any other form of tax. Winnings from the lottery are considered gambling winnings and the winnings are fully taxable, regardless of the exemption.
Of course, the Lottery would likely keep its share of funds before ever issuing one cent to the winner so it really wouldn't matter other than filing an income tax return.
As always, consult with your favorite certified public accountant and tax attorney for any legal advice.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 13, 2026, 06:32 PMI really wonder how it would work if I won it, being a resident of Texarkana, AR. We are exempt from state income tax. We do pay a little more sales tax.
Stems from a time in the late 70's when Texarkana had a couple of well connected legislators. But honestly there wouldn't be much of a Texarkana Arkansas without that exemption.
That brings up another question. If you bought the ticket on the Texas side how would the income be treated? You didn't "earn" it in Arkansas, and Texas has no income tax.
https://x.com/chris_hummer/status/2011184270111338853?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/chris_hummer/status/2011184270111338853?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
From Bryant. Huge production. Drop a bag on him.
Someone already did. That's what the "do not contact" tag means.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2026, 08:27 AMThat brings up another question. If you bought the ticket on the Texas side how would the income be treated? You didn't "earn" it in Arkansas, and Texas has no income tax.
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Quote from: RPL on Jan 14, 2026, 08:20 AMMy understanding is that the Border City Exemption is intended to exempt from income tax, not any other form of tax. Winnings from the lottery are considered gambling winnings and the winnings are fully taxable, regardless of the exemption.
Of course, the Lottery would likely keep its share of funds before ever issuing one cent to the winner so it really wouldn't matter other than filing an income tax return.
As always, consult with your favorite certified public accountant and tax attorney for any legal advice.
Interesting. I didn't know gambling winnings were treated differently than other income for tax purposes. But I am surely no tax lawyer.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2026, 08:27 AMThat brings up another question. If you bought the ticket on the Texas side how would the income be treated? You didn't "earn" it in Arkansas, and Texas has no income tax.
I thought the simple answer would be it's still income. But if RPL is correct, and I have no reason to doubt him, it would still be gambling earnings, no matter what state it was won in, I am guessing.
Don't know why I am even thinking about it. I'll never win.
lottery winnings aren't taxed at the state level (as long as the ticket was bought in those states), in texas, florida, alaska, california, delaware, nevada, new hampshire, south dakota, tennessee, washington, and wyoming.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 14, 2026, 08:28 AMhttps://x.com/chris_hummer/status/2011184270111338853?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/chris_hummer/status/2011184270111338853?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
From Bryant. Huge production. Drop a bag on him.
being reported to have signed with k-state. we've seemed to hit a wall.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 14, 2026, 09:04 AMbeing reported to have signed with k-state. we've seemed to hit a wall.
Of course we don't get the guy that's actually produced.
getting outbid by K State
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Quote from: Ray Zorback on Jan 14, 2026, 10:30 AMgetting outbid by K State
never had a chance to bid. 'no contact' meant he was already going to k-state. in the portal one day, committed the next.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 14, 2026, 10:42 AMnever had a chance to bid. 'no contact' meant he was already going to k-state. in the portal one day, committed the next.
Can coaches contact players on other teams that haven't entered the portal (or before they have entered the portal)?
Quote from: arreferee on Jan 14, 2026, 11:53 AMCan coaches contact players on other teams that haven't entered the portal (or before they have entered the portal)?
Technically no but they all do it.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 14, 2026, 11:55 AMTechnically no but they all do it.
That's what I figured. Theoretically, if the coaches can't contact the players before they are in the portal, how did this player know there was a spot for him at K-State before he entered the portal?
Quote from: arreferee on Jan 14, 2026, 11:57 AMThat's what I figured. Theoretically, if the coaches can't contact the players before they are in the portal, how did this player know there was a spot for him at K-State before he entered the portal?
agents handle all the contact. that way there's no talk between players and coaches. when you see 'so-and-so reached out, it's the agent.
and it's not hard to look at the open spots on a roster. he obviously knew they needed a dlineman and wanted to go there.
https://x.com/michaelwbratton/status/2011483377296113751?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/michaelwbratton/status/2011483377296113751?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
Yuracheeks lied
Quote from: HTL on Jan 14, 2026, 12:12 PMhttps://x.com/michaelwbratton/status/2011483377296113751?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/michaelwbratton/status/2011483377296113751?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
Yuracheeks lied
Interesting that SEC Mike has us 14th in the SEC while On3 has us (at last check) 10th in the country in 4th in the league.
they all use different ways to rank these things. all that matters is what these guys do on the field.
Still 10th overall, 4th in SEC via On3.
24th overall, 12th in SEC according to 247.
Yuracheeks lied people died.
I like some of the guys we've gotten. The safety and WR misses sting.
Quote from: HTL on Jan 14, 2026, 12:41 PMYuracheeks lied people died.
I like some of the guys we've gotten. The safety and WR misses sting.
We're probably fine at WR if Marshall can stay out of trouble. Need safeties in a bad way.
I don't think he lied in that we are spending a good bit more than last year. What throws him off is that he apparently assumes everyone else stands pat while we add more. It's like assuming that everyone getting the same amount in revenue sharing meant that everyone's spending would be equal. No one with a functioning brain cell who follows the sport believed that.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2026, 12:42 PMWe're probably fine at WR if Marshall can stay out of trouble. Need safeties in a bad way.
I don't think he lied in that we are spending a good bit more than last year. What throws him off is that he apparently assumes everyone else stands pat while we add more. It's like assuming that everyone getting the same amount in revenue sharing meant that everyone's spending would be equal. No one with a functioning brain cell who follows the sport believed that.
There's always gonna a higher bidder on someone like Ricardo Jones. It's impossible to clear the market on enough top end talent.
The one ranking us higher probably gives some/more weight to number of signees.
The worse ranking probably looks at quality without giving so much weight to volume.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2026, 12:41 PMStill 10th overall, 4th in SEC via On3.
24th overall, 12th in SEC according to 247.
I think "they chose Arkansas, they must not be that good" is a fairly safe evaluation strategy, given recent years.
the hendrix kid went from the #1 player in the state to #9, and the #9 qb to #40 on 247. fuck all these rankings. there's a blueblood bias, always has been.
I was told we cleaned up in the portal class.
Anyway, this is insane
https://x.com/CoachJCaraway/status/2011469236690927909?s=20
Quote from: arreferee on Jan 14, 2026, 11:53 AMCan coaches contact players on other teams that haven't entered the portal (or before they have entered the portal)?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 14, 2026, 11:55 AMTechnically no but they all do it.
This is where the chuds like Mike Irwin scream about "bUt iT's cHeAtInG" despite the fact there's zero enforcement and everyone does it.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 14, 2026, 01:17 PMI was told we cleaned up in the portal class.
Anyway, this is insane
https://x.com/CoachJCaraway/status/2011469236690927909?s=20
That's the ultimate negative knock-on effect of the portal and unrestricted transfers.
There's zero incentive anymore to lean heavily into HS recruiting and investing in young players' development only for them to inevitably portal out, especially when you can simply cherry pick experienced talent. The days of Saban stockpiling, redshirting, and developing blue chippers are long gone.
We'll never know this, but I would be interested to know what percentage of those players were processed vs. voluntarily jumped into the portal.
Players have turned themselves into a commodity, and thus made their dealings with coaches and programs purely transactional. That can't be good for their mental health, long term prospects, and general personal development.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 14, 2026, 12:06 PMagents handle all the contact. that way there's no talk between players and coaches. when you see 'so-and-so reached out, it's the agent.
and it's not hard to look at the open spots on a roster. he obviously knew they needed a dlineman and wanted to go there.
Thanks. I wasn't thinking about all the players having agents in college.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 14, 2026, 01:17 PMI was told we cleaned up in the portal class.
Anyway, this is insane
https://x.com/CoachJCaraway/status/2011469236690927909?s=20
I saw that and was going to post it here. I really think coaches should make a little speech to their teams each year about this. The players need to understand that often a bird in hand is better than two in a bush.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 14, 2026, 01:17 PMthe hendrix kid went from the #1 player in the state to #9, and the #9 qb to #40 on 247. fuck all these rankings. there's a blueblood bias, always has been.
Those are his new rankings because he reclassified and is now ranked in the 2026 class. He ranking before that was when he was ranked in the 2027 class.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Jan 14, 2026, 03:47 PMThose are his new rankings because he reclassified and is now ranked in the 2026 class. He ranking before that was when he was ranked in the 2027 class.
yeh, i realized that after.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 14, 2026, 12:28 PMInteresting that SEC Mike has us 14th in the SEC while On3 has us (at last check) 10th in the country in 4th in the league.
How can you doubt SEC Mike ? He has a podcast !!
Seriously, I roll with On3 - the Andy and Ari podcast is a great listen.
Is LSU at the top because of leavitt or because folk buy the Lane hype?
I can't wait to see Teasip go 9-3, 8-4 again next year while arch under throws all those expensive talented wrs when they play good defenses.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 14, 2026, 04:25 PMHow can you doubt SEC Mike ? He has a podcast !!
Seriously, I roll with On3 - the Andy and Ari podcast is a great listen.
Is LSU at the top because of leavitt or because folk buy the Lane hype?
I can't wait to see Teasip go 9-3, 8-4 again next year while arch under throws all those expensive talented wrs when they play good defenses.
Yeah, no way LSU is tops. Their portal haul is middling at best so far. Texas and Ole Miss have much better portal additions, on paper at least.
https://x.com/coachjcaraway/status/2011469236690927909?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
"Scholarships" lol.
Scholarships are so 2019.
That's I assume all total including all divisions
What a moron comment.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Jan 14, 2026, 04:48 PMYeah, no way LSU is tops. Their portal haul is middling at best so far. Texas and Ole Miss have much better portal additions, on paper at least.
Ole Miss has nowhere to go but down with Golding as head coach.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Jan 15, 2026, 06:24 PMOle Miss has nowhere to go but down with Golding as head coach.
That may be true, but so far, they are still getting players.
According to a blurb in the Dem-Gaz this morning at least 3 of the last 5 guys we are after in the portal are safeties.
Safety from Colorado signed.
Signed a corner from West Georgia.
also a db from west georgia. visited west virginia and was supposed to visit auburn this weekend. 5-11, 200 so he could be a safety.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 16, 2026, 11:06 AMalso a db from west georgia. visited west virginia and was supposed to visit auburn this weekend. 5-11, 200 so he could be a safety.
Grit has him at 6-3 lol
next to grit everyone is 6-3.
Safety from middle Tennessee signs.
We're gonna win the Sunbelt the Big South!!
Eddie in Clarksville has entered the eternal portal. A danged shame.
Surely Lane would never
https://x.com/recruits_cfb/status/2012207520417300906?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
let's not forget the washington qb either.
got the Oregon DL
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 16, 2026, 06:49 PMgot the Oregon DL
Dude had one tackle last season. 1
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 16, 2026, 07:04 PMDude had one tackle last season. 1
He's pacing himself.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 16, 2026, 07:04 PMDude had one tackle last season. 1
But was it a good tackle or was he drug 10 yards before he made the tackle.
Quote from: Borenutz on Jan 16, 2026, 07:20 PMBut was it a good tackle or was he drug 10 yards before he made the tackle.
Perfect for us!
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 16, 2026, 07:04 PMDude had one tackle last season. 1
The real question is what dance move did he do after THE TACKLE. Or did he just do the bird flapping wings thing.
That's the mark of a real stud.
Next fall we could make history as our 13 y/o freshman QB throws a TD pass to our 41 y/o WR.
So we got that going for us.
Fresh legs
got an o-lineman from ohio u. two year starter, 1st team all-mac this past season.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 16, 2026, 07:04 PMDude had one tackle last season. 1
He was a true freshman on a playoff team.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 17, 2026, 01:36 PMHe was a true freshman on a playoff team.
their dline had four all-b10 players on it. but actually looking into any of that is too hard.
https://x.com/JoshPateCFB/status/2012600356631351758?s=20
That's a good thread. He clarifies that it's not guys who were "processed" but guys who got bad advice from shady handlers/agents.
Miguel Mitchell has withdrawn from the portal allegedly. Hopefully we already filled his spot.
got a late commit d lineman from ohio st.
and before someone points out he doesn't have any stats, he was a freshman who redshirted.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 18, 2026, 04:44 PMgot a late commit d lineman from ohio st.
and before someone points out he doesn't have any stats, he was a freshman who redshirted.
Clearly a slacker.
Oregon and Ohio St D linemen?
It's not necessarily true, but that seems more promising than Tennessee Tech and Alcorn St.
Poster on another board pointed out that the Hogs will have eight 4-star DL next season if all remain healthy. Rhodes, Sims, Osborne, Waller, Jones, Collins, Beale and Kennedy.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 18, 2026, 08:56 PMPoster on another board pointed out that the Hogs will have eight 4-star DL next season if all remain healthy. Rhodes, Sims, Osborne, Waller, Jones, Collins, Beale and Kennedy.
wow and to think that the previous head coach was supposed to be an top level recruiter.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 18, 2026, 08:56 PMPoster on another board pointed out that the Hogs will have eight 4-star DL next season if all remain healthy. Rhodes, Sims, Osborne, Waller, Jones, Collins, Beale and Kennedy.
That's where they should be spending the money. :thumb_up:
I'm going to most certainly regret saying this, but I feel much better about the lines going into this next season than I have in some time.
Quote from: Feral on Jan 18, 2026, 09:35 PMI'm going to most certainly regret saying this, but I feel much better about the lines going into this next season than I have in some time.
One of them just got hurt by you typing it.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 18, 2026, 09:41 PMOne of them just got hurt by you typing it.
We're gonna have three career ending injuries on account of one legged squats for sure.
After how we looked last season the staff may need to ease these guys back into the weight room