https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35813757/syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheim-47-seasons
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1633596113528950784?
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1633539545055543296
Ole Miss expected to hire Chris Beard.
Due diligence?
Lol
Quote from: BleedinRed on Mar 08, 2023, 08:28 PMDue diligence?
Lol
Big misunderstanding you see she's a gasper and always saying squeeze harder. squeeze the neck. Once Beard explained that he's really a meat and potatoes man the whole thing was cleared up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPr_qix-po
texas tech bball coach mark adams resigns.
ole miss better make that hire quick.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Mike gets canned at St John's. Wasn't even close to making his first NCAAT there this year, but he did keep his winning record streak alive and well.
If Tech goes back to Beard I could see Mike Anderson slotting into that Ole Miss position. Obviously that's a huge step down from what they were trying to do which is win basketball games...but still.
Quote from: flash23 on Mar 09, 2023, 02:40 PMI wouldn't be surprised to see Mike gets canned at St John's. Wasn't even close to making his first NCAAT there this year, but he did keep his winning record streak alive and well.
Rumors are Rick Pitino will take the St. John's job.
Quote from: animal on Mar 09, 2023, 03:23 PMIf Tech goes back to Beard I could see Mike Anderson slotting into that Ole Miss position. Obviously that's a huge step down from what they were trying to do which is win basketball games...but still.
I have a friend who is connected to Texas Tech. From what I've gotten from him, the folks in Lubbock don't want Beard back after he left them for Texas. I'd be very surprised if they hired him again.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Mar 09, 2023, 03:42 PMI have a friend who is connected to Texas Tech. From what I've gotten from him, the folks in Lubbock don't want Beard back after he left them for Texas. I'd be very surprised if they hired him again.
Yeah, I read an article back when he messed up and they were gleeful about it. They hate him there.
ewing out at georgetown.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 09, 2023, 05:25 PMewing out at georgetown.
He turned out to be a disaster.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 09, 2023, 05:25 PMewing out at georgetown.
He was passed over for eleventy NBA head coaching jobs over the years for a reason it appears. Back then the word was the guy wasn't overly bright.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 09, 2023, 03:25 PMRumors are Rick Pitino will take the St. John's job.
That'd be a hell of a hire.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Mar 09, 2023, 03:42 PMI have a friend who is connected to Texas Tech. From what I've gotten from him, the folks in Lubbock don't want Beard back after he left them for Texas. I'd be very surprised if they hired him again.
What a bunch of dumbasses. He left to go coach his alma mater. He took them to their only Elite 8 and followed that up with their only Final Four appearance. Tech ain't no destination job for basketball.
You know Hootie played some round all. Jimmy oughta be going after some of these bball openings for him
Quote from: flash23 on Mar 09, 2023, 08:29 PMWhat a bunch of dumbasses. He left to go coach his alma mater. He took them to their only Elite 8 and followed that up with their only Final Four appearance. Tech ain't no destination job for basketball.
I just think he burned that bridge by leaving when things were going well. It would be a very interesting re-hire if they decided to do that. Some fans would never like him.
Quote from: flash23 on Mar 09, 2023, 08:26 PMThat'd be a hell of a hire.
Yes it would. His age is the only negative.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 10, 2023, 09:12 AMYes it would. His age is the only negative.
Well that and the fact he likes having sex in public and uses prostitutes to recruit players. I was going to say he also pays players, but that's legal now.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Mar 10, 2023, 09:07 AMI just think he burned that bridge by leaving when things were going well. It would be a very interesting re-hire if they decided to do that. Some fans would never like him.
I guess I get it to an extent, but acting like they can't wrap their head around why someone would leave Lubbock for the alma mater is a little much.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35830164/st-john-fires-mike-anderson-targeting-rick-pitino-sources-say
MA officially no longer red.
Does he get a mid major gig or does he retire? They had a really bad year. St John's might have been in a similar spot when Mike took over here, though, but they took a pretty big step backwards in what was supposed to be a competitive year for them. I can't imagine his name is as hot as it was when he was fired here.
I don't know that he's done coaching. I think this NIL & transfer freedom thing really fucked him up. Mike is good if he can coach up a kid over a period of 3 or 4 years but in this current era you need to be able to put together a program as if you are in the pros. That's why G-league coaches to college is trending. Stackhouse could possibly get some looks for better gigs than Vandy.
I could see Mike coming back into the south if the right opportunity opens but probably not going to be a big time gig.
If any big time jobs open up (Texas doesn't count) Dennis Gates could be a name to look for. I don't see Mizzou hanging onto him for long.
Does he have to pursue a job to get the payoff, or could he just cash checks? Don't see another school thinking hiring him is a good idea.
Mark Fox sucked at Georgia for several years (well career .551) and then sucked at Cal for several years and got fired. I'm not saying Mike's going to immediately get his tires kicked but basketball coaches tend to get recycled.
I think I saw where South Florida opened up today as well.
Syracuse hired some guy I've never heard of...I guess a long time assistant.
Quote from: animal on Mar 10, 2023, 04:44 PMIf any big time jobs open up (Texas doesn't count) Dennis Gates could be a name to look for. I don't see Mizzou hanging onto him for long.
The jury is not in on him yet. He basically brought a ready-made team from Cleveland State to CoMo and is doing well with it. That doesn't mean he will do well once those guys are gone.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 11, 2023, 07:24 AMThe jury is not in on him yet. He basically brought a ready-made team from Cleveland State to CoMo and is doing well with it. That doesn't mean he will do well once those guys are gone.
Think he had some good Cleveland State teams so I think the guy knows how to build a program. Certainly you are correct that he may need more time to get it sorted.
So we have A&M, Vandy, Bama, and Mizzou left in the SECT FF...super cool. I'm sure they'll be huge crowds.
Quote from: animal on Mar 11, 2023, 07:35 AMThink he had some good Cleveland State teams so I think the guy knows how to build a program.
On the other hand, "building a program" may not even be a thing anymore with NIL, transfers, and good guys going pro.
On the third hand, certainly this year did not prove that Muss's "build a whole new all star team" approach is the best one.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 11, 2023, 07:42 AMOn the other hand, "building a program" may not even be a thing anymore with NIL, transfers, and good guys going pro.
On the third hand, certainly this year did not prove that Muss's "build a whole new all star team" approach is the best one.
Muss knows the top teams each season tend to have the cream of the crop in talent. The rub is you have to have assistants that can identify which players are really projects and which ones figure to help immediately get to where you want to go.
In my mind Walsh shows great flashes of potential but he could be in college 4 years and still be showing flashes. In 6 or 7 years the kid could be a grown man all tatted up and making millions in the NBA as a neo birdman type but he's just not that player right now.
Black is somewhat interesting. Sure he's good athletically, in a NBA style the game will be far better spacing which is going to help him out. He's still a long ways way from being a regular rotation guy in the nba. His ball handling and shooting must improve greatly. And teams are going to eat his lunch defensively
NSJ: Hard to figure him. The player he was described last summer is not the player I've really ever seen. To me the obvious thing with him is his conditioning is not all that great I assume on account of being injured. Maybe he just looks that way. Either way his shooting isn't where it should be. His ball handling isn't where it needs to be. He needs to add weight. My eye test says the guy is not really ready for the league but getting in with an actual pro staff probably playing a lot of G-league next season will probably do wonders for him. If he played with a 5 out shot making style I think that opens up the lane greatly and we would see that explosive talent going to the rack a lot more but still you have to think in the NBA he'd get his shit pushed trying that shit.
Guys like RC4, Davis could certainly get shots in the NBA but I think the early season mock drafts got drunk on RC4's dunk potential. Davis works his ass off in the gym trying to get better. In the right situation he could blossom into a Pbev type player for years to come. His shot making and ball handling are certainly getting better and if that continues to trend in the right direction he's going to end up being a player.
Brazile just needs to come back :)
NSJ is not ready even for the G-League - those guys are grown men. He will be guarding players his height and taller who have 25 pounds of muscle more than he does.
He would make more money (NIL) and play in front of much larger crowds if he came back to Arkansas - the coaching would be the same.
some of you expect these guys to be instant starters and somehow if they don't look like they are going to lead their teams in scoring they are "not ready".
Quote from: olive_branch_hog on Mar 11, 2023, 10:03 AMHe would make more money (NIL) and play in front of much larger crowds if he came back to Arkansas - the coaching would be the same.
not sure if serious. he's projected at #6. that's $5.4 million his first year.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 11, 2023, 10:21 AMsome of you expect these guys to be instant starters and somehow if they don't look like they are going to lead their teams in scoring they are "not ready".
not sure if serious. he's projected at #6. that's $5.4 million his first year.
They'll grow up in a year or two and won't get knocked around so much... and they'll be rich while they're doing it.
Well apparently Gates signed an extension and now has a 25 million dollar buyout. Sounds like somebody was coming after him.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 11, 2023, 10:21 AMsome of you expect these guys to be instant starters and somehow if they don't look like they are going to lead their teams in scoring they are "not ready".
not sure if serious. he's projected at #6. that's $5.4 million his first year.
That's more of a wish that Ark doled out that kind of NIL money. Paying NSJ 6M to come back to Ark for next season would likely pay for itself in wins (if the boosters cared about that sort of thing).
You leave you leave. The Alma mater thing is just bullshit ego. I don't blame Tech for not wanting him back. What if JFB had gone back to Georgia tech? Fuck Beard. He got his dream job and fucked it up after abandoning the team that could have delivered a ring.
Looks like Texas has a pretty good coach now. I thought Muss might get a shot there but there's no reason to be concerned now.
Quote from: olive_branch_hog on Mar 11, 2023, 12:39 PMThat's more of a wish that Ark doled out that kind of NIL money. Paying NSJ 6M to come back to Ark for next season would likely pay for itself in wins (if the boosters cared about that sort of thing).
I saw nothing in his game that showed he is worth paying 6 million in NIL money. He needs to go where he can work on his game full time and not have the restrictions that come with college basketball.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Mar 11, 2023, 07:15 PMI saw nothing in his game that showed he is worth paying 6 million in NIL money. He needs to go where he can work on his game full time and not have the restrictions that come with college basketball.
He is vastly overrated.
mcneese st hires will wade.
bold move in part because the ncaa ruling on him comes in june. he can still be given a show cause.
Quote from: mde114 on Mar 11, 2023, 06:55 PMLooks like Texas has a pretty good coach now. I thought Muss might get a shot there but there's no reason to be concerned now.
I don't have any idea what Nate Oats's contract situation is, but assuming he isn't locked up, Texas should consider going after him. He has proven he can build a basketball program at a football school.
This shooting thing could push Oats out the door to distance himself from it but otherwise I don't see much point in going to Texas. Bama will probably match any offer. My guess is Oats sits on that job until a real blue blood opens such as Carolina, Duke, Michigan/State, UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky. He's from Wisconsin but I doubt anyone in that state is forking over what it would take to grab him up.
Texas either keeps the current interim (who has failed as a head coach elsewhere), another thought would be to go hard after someone like Billy Donovan who would undoubtedly still be a viable college head coach especially now that college ball has fallen in love with nba concepts. Muss could certainly be someone that come after too but hopefully there aren't enough mean tweets to his wife to push them away.
Life is cruel is it not? Chris Beard takes a job offer he would laughed at but beggars can't be choosers. Makes the SEC a beast. Will be interesting to see if he can win there and if he does, he is out the door. Would you hire Beard? Not sure I would as that police report still exists. Be real interested to see what conduct clause/outs the school has in that contract.
The fact Teasip hasn't removed the interim on Rodney Terry - at least a school protected 2-4 year deal with an easy out is shocking. Not sure who they think they can get but then that's how they roll in their orange cocoon of delusion. Does Nate Oates have an no-SEC clause? Otherwise who ya gonna get with the balls to strap it on in the SEC?
I have seen Argenal's name (Muss assistant) as a strong candidate for a couple jobs out west.
Wonder if we see what happened with football happen in basketball - the mid jobs pay well enough now it may not be worth the jump.
Pitno to St. John's makes a lot of sense but will SJU kiss the ring to make it happen?
this is going to be a very interesting and fun off-season on the coaching front.
McNeese State hired Will Wade (not a strong ass offer) and yet, he could still get hit with a show cause penalty,
Do you think the mid level salaries will ever get there? You'll know better than me, but it seemed like a few years ago I read there were only something like 20 basketball schools that are self supportive (and maybe 3 baseball schools, ours obviously being one).
https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1635326594339463168?
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 12, 2023, 12:32 PMI don't have any idea what Nate Oats's contract situation is, but assuming he isn't locked up, Texas should consider going after him. He has proven he can build a basketball program at a football school.
I believe he signed a big extension in the last couple of months. He's also been a PR nightmare for the last month. Not sure UT wants to mess with that on the heels of the Beard fiasco.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Mar 14, 2023, 09:56 AMI believe he signed a big extension in the last couple of months. He's also been a PR nightmare for the last month. Not sure UT wants to mess with that on the heels of the Beard fiasco.
The last part is certainly true, and may be enough to scare off Texas
Hell. Ole Miss is still fighting the Civil War. How could they see any issue with a man showing his woman he meant it when he said to get back in the kitchen?
Mike's not going down easy:
https://twitter.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/1637824645444390914?
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 20, 2023, 11:08 AMMike's not going down easy:
https://twitter.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/1637824645444390914?
$11 million is a lot of cheddar to leave on the table. I don't blame him for suing. Sounds like SJU doesn't have the money to hire Ricky P and this is the cheapest way to raise the money.
lots of rumors that Billy Donovan returns to the college game. Would not be surprised to see him land in Lexington if Cal moves on.
I agree on MA-- if you read the article, sounds like SJU had some very vague and ill defined reasons for firing him "for cause."
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 20, 2023, 12:45 PMI agree on MA-- if you read the article, sounds like SJU had some very vague and ill defined reasons for firing him "for cause."
Probably justified. And it probably means Mike is done coaching.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Mar 20, 2023, 01:07 PMProbably justified. And it probably means Mike is done coaching.
Nah, he will get something in arbitration, or more likely it will be settled.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Mar 20, 2023, 01:07 PMProbably justified. And it probably means Mike is done coaching.
It's not like he beat his wife or anything
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 20, 2023, 01:32 PMNah, he will get something in arbitration, or more likely it will be settled.
Probably so. And then as soon as the lawyer dust settles, bunches of schools are going to line up with job offers.
Apparently Pitino has been officially hired. I think I predicted that a couple of weeks ago. Yes, I am patting myself on the back.
done
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1637897123269074946
this one is surprising.........
https://twitter.com/GeorgetownHoops/status/1637888904148975616
Cooley is an excellent hire for G'Town...they'll be a nice 1 and done program again anyway.
the last response.....lol!!
https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1637909560504483841
Interesting if true. Cal is overpaid for the results.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/top-college-basketball-head-coach-salaries-bm10/
Muss is #7 so where would he go?
I think he's worth the $5.5 million salaries, considering how fast he pulled us out of the darkness and how high he's elevated us. I can't see him going to any of the schools currently paying more than us, unless Kentucky is willing to pay $9 mil.
UCLA ain't getting rid of Cronin. Texas could always come in with $5 mil for a new coach but the interim they have now is doing a great job for less.
Pay him 5.6 million, make him highest paid behind Cal.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 20, 2023, 06:09 PMInteresting if true. Cal is overpaid for the results.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/top-college-basketball-head-coach-salaries-bm10/
Muss is #7 so where would he go?
It wouldn't be for the money, but a lot of coaches would do just about anything for a shot at a job at one of the "traditional" basketball schools like Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, ect. As much as Stoops would probably like to argue, basketball is still king on those campuses.
My understanding is Cal has started easing into getting transfers to get more veteran leadership on the roster. This season I think Wheeler was going to be the point guard coming over from Georgia and I guess he got hurt or wasn't a big factor. I'd bet Cal would give his left nut for that point guard that owned them the other day. The one that came from Little Rock to K-State. I didn't notice Wheeler doing anything the other day but wasn't paying much attention. Cal's undoing has been the freshman thing not coming together. About the time you give up on that he puts something together for a big run. I think mainly people just don't understand how random and difficult it is to crank out teams that win in March. It took Duke 20+ years to really solidify itself as that type of program and he went on to crank out consistency over another 20 years. That was only really matched by UNC and historically UCLA is good for a ring now and then. You take into account all the rule changes over the years and Muss is really the perfect hire at the right moment for Arkansas. We needed a coach that brings an NBA style and approach to preparing for these relaxed rules and so forth. It doesn't always translate during the regular season but whatever he's doing sure seems to be working in the postseason. I'm hopeful that only gets better to a point of winning national championships. Obviously if he had the team he put together this season I think everyone as we sit right now would be really confident that was gonna happen. As it is we are have a good chance at another Elite 8 possibly a rematch with Gonzaga.
Quote from: bigpale on Mar 20, 2023, 06:22 PMPay him 5.6 million, make him highest paid behind Cal.
tell me why Muss should NOT be the highest paid coach/employee on the UA campus. He has earned that right.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 20, 2023, 08:19 PMtell me why Muss should NOT be the highest paid coach/employee on the UA campus. He has earned that right.
Should he make more than DVH?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Mar 20, 2023, 10:05 PMShould he make more than DVH?
Absolutely. Revenue generation still has to count for something. And now the success is coming with it.
Zimmer lashed out at St John's on Twitter over their treatment of MA.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 20, 2023, 06:09 PMInteresting if true. Cal is overpaid for the results.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/top-college-basketball-head-coach-salaries-bm10/
Muss is #7 so where would he go?
Muss will get proactively bumped to around 6 mil after this year especially if you pulls off another win Thursday.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 20, 2023, 06:09 PMInteresting if true. Cal is overpaid for the results.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/top-college-basketball-head-coach-salaries-bm10/
Muss is #7 so where would he go?
If he goes back to back to back Elite 8s, you can bet Kentucky is going to make a strong ass offer.
I'm sure they would. I think there are very compelling reasons not to entertain it.
Muss should get another nice bump especially if we move deeper. He's worth whatever we have to pay to keep him in place. Great coach great recruiter great shining light for the school.
ORU coach Paul Mills takes over at Wichita State as the MBB coach.
Quote from: WaywardMemphian on Mar 21, 2023, 11:32 AMZimmer lashed out at St John's on Twitter over their treatment of MA.
Like he thinks anyone cares what he thinks...
But I do agree they are trying to screw Mike.
Quote from: Texzilla on Mar 21, 2023, 09:52 PMMuss should get another nice bump especially if we move deeper. He's worth whatever we have to pay to keep him in place. Great coach great recruiter great shining light for the school.
We would lose money NOT to pay him as such because of those exact reasons.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Mar 20, 2023, 06:16 PMI think he's worth the $5.5 million salaries, considering how fast he pulled us out of the darkness and how high he's elevated us. I can't see him going to any of the schools currently paying more than us, unless Kentucky is willing to pay $9 mil.
UCLA ain't getting rid of Cronin. Texas could always come in with $5 mil for a new coach but the interim they have now is doing a great job for less.
5 years, $3 Milly per.
https://twitter.com/grantmorgan15/status/1644380061418782724?
Grant Morgan starting his coaching career...best of luck. I think he will do great.
Good for him.
I haven't been paying attention, but this is interesting:
https://twitter.com/scottmorris12/status/1644838163699884035?
Quote from: animal on Apr 07, 2023, 06:30 PMhttps://twitter.com/grantmorgan15/status/1644380061418782724?
Grant Morgan starting his coaching career...best of luck. I think he will do great.
I thought he was going to be a doctor?
Quote from: mde114 on Apr 10, 2023, 11:34 AMI thought he was going to be a doctor?
Average doctor salary in Arkansas - $137,456
Average fired college coach buyout at Arkansas - $10 million.
He's playing the long game here.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Apr 10, 2023, 05:51 PMAverage doctor salary in Arkansas - $137,456
Average fired college coach buyout at Arkansas - $10 million.
He's playing the long game here.
Pulling Bert out of the bar before he embarrasses himself again? Priceless.
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 10, 2023, 07:14 PMPulling Bert out of the bar before he embarrasses himself again? Priceless.
Morgan was tough but there's no way he is strong enough to do that. No human could be.
if true, Nate Oats might be updating the resume.......
https://twitter.com/JournoRyan/status/1650619755299045377
it's got legs! https://www.al.com/news/2023/04/alabama-basketball-transfer-jaykwon-makel-walton-arrested-with-gun-tuscaloosa-police-say.html
well, Nate acted quickly this time........
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1650631989416845312
Parole Tide
Apparently you can't say other teams' fans are a bunch of gay persons any more.
Bob Huggins on the hot seat.
Uh I didn't say that and neither did Bob.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on May 08, 2023, 05:41 PMApparently you can't say other teams' fans are a bunch of gay persons any more.
Bob Huggins on the hot seat.
Uh I didn't say that and neither did Bob.
https://twitter.com/SteveNorrisTV/status/1655633826687623170
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Apr 22, 2023, 11:02 PMMorgan was tough but there's no way he is strong enough to do that. No human could be.
He was the guy that called in the fire department crew that pulls 800lb people out of their houses. They knew how to get Bert moved out.
Mike A. is looking for a bag:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37603396/fired-hoops-coach-mike-anderson-seeks-46m-st-johns
And he should
Indeed. He was always a good but not great coach. He's always seemingly been a great human being. I hope he takes those NY fucks for every nickel.
Quote from: Pig Benis on May 11, 2023, 09:19 PMIndeed. He was always a good but not great coach. He's always seemingly been a great human being. I hope he takes those NY fucks for every nickel.
They are just what The WVU guy called Xavier.
I wonder if he would have caught as much grief if he called them kiddie fuckers.
bob huggins gets pulled over for driving on a shredded tire, and proceeds to blow a .21. didn't even know what state he was in. this coming on the heels of his comments about xavier fans, he's probably a goner.
has to be wvu player or two worth looking at that could fill our last spot on the roster.
Quote from: vegashog on Jun 17, 2023, 02:14 PMbob huggins gets pulled over for driving on a shredded tire, and proceeds to blow a .21. didn't even know what state he was in. this coming on the heels of his comments about xavier fans, he's probably a goner.
has to be wvu player or two worth looking at that could fill our last spot on the roster.
Haven't dug into it but West Virginia has the 2nd ranked portal class, 3 spots ahead of us.
Love Huggins but he is toast. They signed the big from 'Cuse that I wished we would've gotten.
huggins resigns.
Huggins says he didn't resign
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jul 09, 2023, 09:58 AMHuggins says he didn't resign
He's probably drunk again.
The difference between resign and "resign" is something to be hashed out in court for the buyout settlement.
then he can spend a lot of money trying to get this to court.
honestly i see no purpose in him going this route. it won't help him in his buyout negotiations, wvu can then just fire him for cause.
Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern) has been canned due to allegations of homo hazing.
Where is the Costanza meme "was that wrong?"
Quote from: animal on Jul 10, 2023, 07:36 PMPat Fitzgerald (Northwestern) has been canned due to allegations of homo hazing.
Breaking news: A&M has hired him as recruiting coordinator.
Northwestern may have had Hollywood Knights initiation practices:
Climbing a greased pole and shoving eggs up their butt.
Pat will be fine. The car wash industry is seeing a big growth right now.
Quote from: Hizog on Jul 10, 2023, 10:29 PMPat will be fine. The car wash industry is seeing a big growth right now.
You might not ever get richBut let me tell ya it's better than diggin' a ditchThere ain't no tellin' who you might meetA movie star or maybe even an Indian chief
Quote from: Hognrock on Jul 10, 2023, 08:23 PMBreaking news: A&M has hired him as recruiting coordinator.
:thumb_up:
Now Northwestern needs a baseball coach too
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jul 13, 2023, 09:53 PMNow Northwestern needs a baseball coach too
The baseball team was 10-40...in the Big 10, yet the school is firing him because of bullying claims that occurred before the season. Seems like they're trying to save some cash for the $40M+ Fitzgerald law suit that they'll likely lose.
I figure Michigan State may be wanting to rid themselves of this dudes huge contract.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-coach-sexual-harassment-claim/70679703007/
In his statements to the Title IX investigator, Tucker acknowledged masturbating on the call but said Tracy grossly mischaracterized the episode. According to him, they had consensual "phone sex."
"Ms. Tracy's distortion of our mutually consensual and intimate relationship into allegations of sexual exploitation has really affected me," Tucker wrote in a March 22 letter to the investigator
He gone. Perhaps that was the most expensive sex hotline in history.
Just read the part about how he admitted doing it but claimed it was consensual.
You just know MSU has lawyers reviewing that contract language as we speak.
Lot of talk this morning that he may be done as their head coach. He did that to a rape survivor and high profile sexual violence activist (against, not for it). At Michigan State of all places, where they're trying to pretend Larry Nasser never existed. Gotta think now it's just a matter of how much of the contract they pay him on the way out the door.
OK, that tops Petrino.
new winnar.
:teh_woopig:
The guy had a $95 million guaranteed contract. He had $80m left on it. Foregone conclusion but he's gone even if it was consensual. He massively embarrassed himself and the university that just had a sex scandal.
Whatever regrets or shortcomings you may have had in your life, at least you didn't fumble a $80m bag.
CNN could probably use another football analyst
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Sep 10, 2023, 09:29 AMCNN could probably use another football analyst
I think they only take pedos and puffs. Just plain ole heterosexual predators doesn't get you through the door.
I remember when Chaddington had her speak to the Razorbacks his first year as head coach. Jesus, this woman can't catch a break.
Bizarre, so someone other than Butch Jones will the first coach fired? Will butch make it to November?
Mel Tucker fired
looks like suspended without pay for now. going to wait for the title 9 investigation that will lead to him officially getting fired with cause. will save them about $70 million.
DB coach takes over as the interim with Mark Dantonio expected to have some role as an advisor....I smell a contract signing him thru the end of the season coming.
So a single coach and his girlfriend can't have phone sex now? What is this world coming to?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 10, 2023, 04:02 PMSo a single coach and his girlfriend can't have phone sex now? What is this world coming to?
Well idk but if it was forced phone sex then I guess I can see the point
But it's not like he had his players simulating gay sex in the locker room or anything.
he's married, to a lawyer.
and there's a code of conduct clause in every coach's contract, just as there's one in every player's scholarship.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 10, 2023, 04:22 PMhe's married, to a lawyer.
and there's a code of conduct clause in every coach's contract, just as there's one in every player's scholarship.
This, I did not care enough to know. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: animal on Sep 10, 2023, 04:20 PMWell idk but if it was forced phone sex then I guess I can see the point
But it's not like he had his players simulating gay sex in the locker room or anything.
How can you force phone sex isn't it easy to hang up? I'm not saying he did nothing wrong but why would she stay on phone till he finished?
Quote from: heretopaint on Sep 10, 2023, 06:36 PMHow can you force phone sex isn't it easy to hang up? I'm not saying he did nothing wrong but why would she stay on phone till he finished?
That's the joke.
https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1701331855746728188?s=20
Dude's response to the shafting he's getting...
It's a he said/she said case. Only lawyers win here.
He'll get a nice settlement.
I just realized who that lady is. She's gone around giving talks on being raped for years, been on ESPN giving a sad story...I think she's came to Arkansas once or twice. I can certainly see where this was a publicity stunt to give her career a boost. Not saying all those things didn't happen to her in the past but you got to wonder now is all I'm saying.
That's a strong statement. Very detailed and factual and not some "gee maybe somebody misinterpreted" bullshit.
The only misstep was mentioning race. I guess he has to play that card, it's the only equivalent to the #metoo card. Might even be more powerful.
I never thought about this guy before but I am rooting for him now.
It's the perfect storm of events for this lady to get paid if she's making it up. Everyone will believe her bc of her background and even if they don't they won't say it. School just paid out millions from the Nassar case and is terrified of going back to court so they'll pay whatever she wants. Not to mention it allows them to fire him for cause. And the guy she's charging has a $90MM contract. IF she's lying she certainly waited for the right opportunity.
Quote from: animal on Sep 11, 2023, 04:26 PMhttps://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1701331855746728188?s=20
Dude's response to the shafting he's getting...
That changes a lot. The fact that the media lied about it being a title 9 investigation makes her look like she is full of shit. Hopefully, he keeps his job, and every university keeps their distance from her. If he has the pics of her and the text message after the incident, then she is fucked.
There is no way he keeps his job even if everything goes his way. His public position and relationship with the university is untenable.
But everything does go his way, his career isn't necessarily over.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 11, 2023, 05:10 PMThat's a strong statement. Very detailed and factual and not some "gee maybe somebody misinterpreted" bullshit.
The only misstep was mentioning race. I guess he has to play that card, it's the only equivalent to the #metoo card. Might even be more powerful.
I never thought about this guy before but I am rooting for him now.
He also made a mistake in mentioning Nassar's taint. No one needs to be thinking about that other than his cell mate.
Lane Kiffin being sued by a Ole Miss player that is claiming Ole Miss did not take his mental health issues seriously. He's sueing for 30 million or something like that.
I guess this occurred last season's preseason and the kid has been off the team since then, supposedly this season Ole Miss has instituted better mental health awareness stuff within the program...
https://www.wcbi.com/ole-miss-football-player-files-federal-lawsuit-against-university-coach-lane-kiffin/
https://x.com/Mattylight_12/status/1702492092772012506?s=20
I hate lane Kiffin but in this case I'm siding with him. You're a football player. Shut the fuck up.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 15, 2023, 05:13 PMI hate lane Kiffin but in this case I'm siding with him. You're a football player. Shut the fuck up.
Yeah just read some kind of transcript between the player and Kiffin. Nothing screams professionalism like dropping f-bombs when told of a mental break...all Kiffin could hear was that the player pussied out of preseason practices because it's hot and they changed his position.
I tend to agree with Kiffin on this one...the kid should have reported to the head coach when he was repeatedly asked to report and didn't.
Sounds like somewhat of a pussy. Maybe he does have serious mental health problems but it seems like every college student now thinks they do.
Can we start talking about Pittman in this thread?
Quote from: Feral on Sep 16, 2023, 09:52 PMCan we start talking about Pittman in this thread?
He'll keep his job if he manages to get to another bowl game.
We lost to a "good" Liberty team last year.
A line with baby shit soft dough boys...not one guy on that line scares the fuck out of anyone. I would say they are young guys but only two of them are young. The other 3 are older guys that shouldn't be getting heir shit pushed by Mountain West boys.
Win vs the late season cupcake
Win vs Miss St at home
Maaaaaybe beat Auburn
That's five. I can't find a sixth.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 16, 2023, 09:52 PMCan we start talking about Pittman in this thread?
Pittman and Enos. They're stealing money at this point.
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 16, 2023, 10:17 PMWin vs the late season cupcake
Win vs Miss St at home
Maaaaaybe beat Auburn
That's five. I can't find a sixth.
I'm having trouble finding 6 as well. I predicted 7-5 before the season, but didn't foresee our line being this bad and our offense being this putrid with Enos.
I don't see us taking 1 of this upcoming 4 game stretch. LSU and Ole Miss are too good, and we always lose to A&M and Bama. Go O-fer in that stretch and you can only lose 1 more down the stretch.
We get State, Auburn and Mizzou at home. I don't know what to make of any of those teams except Mizzou has an A&M-like jinx on us.
TL;DR — I'm not seeing a pathway to a bowl this season. If Pittman can't make a bowl in year 4 with KJ, then what are we even doing?
Mike Elko won 9 with Duke last year, and is 3-0 with them this year.
He's a former big name DC and is proving he can run a program.
Give him 5 million a year and go hire a young, dynamic OC who understands how to move the ball down the field and also who doesn't have tangential connections to a rape scandal.
Elko is a great coach. We should move on him before he winds up back in College Station.
What is Pittman's buyout?
We're what, only 2 years into his extension?
Nothing like making a budget hire for HC and then hamstringing yourself with a buyout after 1 good year to where you might have to hire his replacement on a budget.
Great job, Hunter.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 16, 2023, 11:27 PMWhat is Pittman's buyout?
We're what, only 2 years into his extension?
Nothing like making a budget hire for HC and then hamstringing yourself with a buyout after 1 good year to where you might have to hire his replacement on a budget.
Great job, Hunter.
We are Arkansas
Quote from: Feral on Sep 16, 2023, 11:27 PMWhat is Pittman's buyout?
We're what, only 2 years into his extension?
Nothing like making a budget hire for HC and then hamstringing yourself with a buyout after 1 good year to where you might have to hire his replacement on a budget.
Great job, Hunter.
We had to lock him in before he got stolen from us. He was in big demand by...uh...his boat?
The only path by left is we need a firing with cause on Pittman and the staff. Like a Craig James style bunch of dead hookers, operating a Chinese fentanyl factory on lake hamilton, Duggar level of child porn type of scandal to run him oft.
Enid has to go to. Like tonight.
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 16, 2023, 11:29 PMWe had to lock him in before he got stolen from us. He was in big demand by...uh...his boat?
I still can't wrap my head around how/why we gave a huge lock-in extension to a coach with 1 good year who'd openly said this was his dream job and that he was never leaving (and was not a hot name in coaching circles).
Quote from: Feral on Sep 16, 2023, 11:24 PMElko is a great coach. We should move on him before he winds up back in College Station.
When was the last time Arkansas made a football hire that showed a single ounce of foresight or give-a-fuck?
Quote from: wmr on Sep 16, 2023, 11:36 PMWhen was the last time Arkansas made a football hire that showed a single ounce of foresight or give-a-fuck?
Holtz.
Even Petrino was a "fall into our lap" hire, so no foresight there.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 16, 2023, 11:34 PMI still can't wrap my head around how/why we gave a huge lock-in extension to a coach with 1 good year who'd openly said this was his dream job and that he was never leaving (and was not a hot name in coaching circles).
Wait til he beats Teasip in a meaningless bowl game and we give him a huge guaranteed 7 year deal.
Quote from: wmr on Sep 16, 2023, 11:36 PMWhen was the last time Arkansas made a football hire that showed a single ounce of foresight or give-a-fuck?
Hatfield over Johnson was ultimately a bad choice, though an understandable one at the time.
Crowe, Ford, and Nutt were lazy desperation hires.
Petrino fell into our lap thanks to Jerry Jones and happened quickly.
Bielema was a lazy hire by Long because of his love letter about #integrity.
Morris was a desperation hire after we got pantsed by Gus.
Pittman was a Hail Mary panic hire after Yurachek got cheap with Kiffin because he thinks it's 1982 and handshake deals mean jack shit.
you keep saying yurachek got cheap. the school was on the hook for bert's buyout, then chad's. neither of which yurachek was responsible for. over $24 million. kiffin and leach both wanted big buyouts from the school but next to nothing on their end because they were being told that the arkansas job was, if not a career killer, one that would set it back for who knows how long.
where was this money going to come from after the boosters who were supposed to promise to pay it, were already on the hook for those two ridiculous contracts?
If we move on from Sam, I'm sure our big money folks will be hot and heavy for Gus instead of someone like Elko. Hiring him seems to be something they can scratch off their bucket list.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Sep 17, 2023, 12:44 AMIf we move on from Sam, I'm sure our big money folks will be hot and heavy for Gus instead of someone like Elko. Hiring him seems to be something they can scratch off their bucket list.
They should be looking at Jeff Traylor
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Sep 17, 2023, 12:44 AMIf we move on from Sam, I'm sure our big money folks will be hot and heavy for Gus instead of someone like Elko. Hiring him seems to be something they can scratch off their bucket list.
Hiring Gus now would be even more embarrassing than if we hired him 4 years ago.
So yes, that is exactly the plan for some of our boosters.
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 17, 2023, 12:50 AMHiring Gus now would be even more embarrassing than if we hired him 4 years ago.
So yes, that is exactly the plan for some of our boosters.
We ARE Arkansas after all. We'll give Gus 9 million a year to fart out a few 8-5 seasons. Arkansas Proud will start posting again.
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As bad as this season is looking like it's going to go it's almost a certainty that we are head coach shopping 🛒 by late November. No way to spin this shit...this was a major fuck up.
You live and die by decisions and Pittman made pretty good hires for the defense but Enos has been a terrible hire. Our recruiting for that side of the ball has not been good.
The good news is that recent shine that Barry Lunney Jr got at UTSA under Traylor is gone now that he's under Bert and his tits. So no backup plan for him.
That leaves a retirement gig for Gus who might just want to stay in Florida rather than get his teeth kicked in.
In fairness to Enos all of those long developing plays we ran looked like gold when it worked back in the Brandon Allen senior year...but I don't see this line being talented enough to get it done. We certainly missed Rocket tonight because he is something the defense must respect more so than the other backs
Early short list
Tulane coach
Byu coach
Ok state coach 😂
Army coach with his new OC
Duke coach
Kansas coach
Let's hope to God South Carolina offense doesn't suddenly explode this season...
Pittman is not getting fired this year.
The retarded boosters who think we need an "Arkansas boy" who "understands the importance of recruiting in Texas" will 100% push for Gus. That's not the worst case scenario. What if we find ourselves needing a new Athletic Director in the next 2-3 years? Resurgence's timing was too suspicious.
Our program is dead because too many powers that be want mediocrity as long as it means they get influence. I wonder if someone told Lane Kiffin that being coach meant he'd have to make a certain number of public appearances including nephews and grandkids birthday parties.
Kiffin would not have worked here. He's just not a cultural fit. He's not like us, and we're not like him. He hasn't been all that great at Ole Miss.
There is 0.0% chance this is Sam's last year, unless it is voluntary. He would have to have 2 losing/non-bowl years in a row, or 3-4 mediocre boring ones in a row, to get the ax.
Do you use ax or axe?
We have a hee haw coaching staff and a mainly hee haw fan base so it only stands to reason you would placate to that with shined over reflections of the Nutt years. Ignoring the Petrino years...
I don't think anyone legit wanted the job when HY ended up hiring Pittman. I think the end goal now will be to somehow salvage the season and perhaps segway it into a semi desirable situation for the next hire
"Cultural fit". I know what you mean by that but it still grinds my gears that cultural fit seems to be so important here. Bobby Petrino wasn't like us either - mediocrity angered him and simply getting to a bowl was nothing to brag about.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 07:47 AM"Cultural fit". I know what you mean by that but it still grinds my gears that cultural fit seems to be so important here. Bobby Petrino wasn't like us either - mediocrity angered him and simply getting to a bowl was nothing to brag about.
But that's the mentality and I'm kind of ok with it if the team takes on the personality of a physical demanding coach playing hard nosed football
But we arent seeing any of that nor is there any reason to expect it will happen this season.
Adam Ford had this shit fuckin nailed down.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 07:33 AMThe retarded boosters who think we need an "Arkansas boy" who "understands the importance of recruiting in Texas" will 100% push for Gus. That's not the worst case scenario. What if we find ourselves needing a new Athletic Director in the next 2-3 years? Resurgence's timing was too suspicious.
Our program is dead because too many powers that be want mediocrity as long as it means they get influence. I wonder if someone told Lane Kiffin that being coach meant he'd have to make a certain number of public appearances including nephews and grandkids birthday parties.
They are afraid a Petrino type coach will come in again and have success with them looking on the outside in. None of them had the type of access they used to. It was a legit D1 program. Media complained about how strict it was with Petrino.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 07:47 AM"Cultural fit". I know what you mean by that but it still grinds my gears that cultural fit seems to be so important here. Bobby Petrino wasn't like us either - mediocrity angered him and simply getting to a bowl was nothing to brag about.
Obviously it's a different sport but Muss probably had never even stepped foot in Arkansas before he got here. Hire a guy who is obsessed with football and has an attention to detail. I want a lunatic like Muss/Petrino who the players are scared of. Fuck this shit. I almost dread going to football games now.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 07:47 AM"Cultural fit". I know what you mean by that but it still grinds my gears that cultural fit seems to be so important here. Bobby Petrino wasn't like us either - mediocrity angered him and simply getting to a bowl was nothing to brag about.
Our fans and boosters don't want a guy like Kirby Smart who cusses like a sailor and couldn't give a shit about public appearances and kissing babies because he's a football-obsessed maniac.
In reality we want a guy who talks about Jesus and cobeers and is "one of us."
Our fans and alumni are stuck in a bygone era and still think it's the 1970s.
- Our fans and media still largely refuse to accept NIL as a reality, and refer to it as "cheating" like it's the equivalent of 1980s SMU.
- We play a 'home' game every year 200 miles from campus in a stadium that holds 25k fewer fans than our home stadium cuz nostalgia reasons.
- Our boosters care more about access than winning, and they don't know anything about football.
- We still have fans and media talk about "John Barnhill's edict about never hiring an assistant to be our head coach." John Barnhill has been dead for
50 years.
I've said it before and I'll say it again — the college football world will stop treating us like a small time program when we stop acting like one.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Sep 17, 2023, 08:25 AMObviously it's a different sport but Muss probably had never even stepped foot in Arkansas before he got here. Hire a guy who is obsessed with football and has an attention to detail. I want a lunatic like Muss/Petrino who the players are scared of. Fuck this shit. I almost dread going to football games now.
Muss = Petrino and both seem like cultural fits to me, for the programs they led. Type AAA sport focused maniacs. Kiffin is not that.
Partly Joey Freshwater, partly his laid back California guy persona. Neither Muss nor Petrino are anything like that.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 17, 2023, 09:02 AMPartly Joey Freshwater, partly his laid back California guy persona. Neither Muss nor Petrino are anything like that
Neither Freshwater nor Leach would've fit in here.
I would've loved either of them, but they're both aloof and neither would've spent time blowing Fayetteville or talking about how great the state of Arkansas is and how awesome our fans are.
Both would've just shrugged when asked softball bullshit questions by the Bob Holts of the world about "talk about how great the state is, huh?"
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 08:56 AMOur fans and boosters don't want a guy like Kirby Smart who cusses like a sailor and couldn't give a shit about public appearances and kissing babies because he's a football-obsessed maniac.
In reality we want a guy who talks about Jesus and cobeers and is "one of us."
Our fans and alumni are stuck in a bygone era and still think it's the 1970s.
- Our fans and media still largely refuse to accept NIL as a reality, and refer to it as "cheating" like it's the equivalent of 1980s SMU.
- We play a 'home' game every year 200 miles from campus in a stadium that holds 25k fewer fans than our home stadium cuz nostalgia reasons.
- Our boosters care more about access than winning, and they don't know anything about football.
- We still have fans and media talk about "John Barnhill's edict about never hiring an assistant to be our head coach." John Barnhill has been dead for 50 years.
I've said it before and I'll say it again — the college football world will stop treating us like a small time program when we stop acting like one.
There you go, that's the answer. Blame it on the fans.
If Petrino was a "cultural fit" here why haven't we tried in my lifetime to hire another football coach like him? Going back to Hatfield which coach fit that same mold that he did? Who else obsessed over details so much that they waited a year knowing they already had a TD play ready for LSU?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 07:47 AM"Cultural fit". I know what you mean by that but it still grinds my gears that cultural fit seems to be so important here. Bobby Petrino wasn't like us either - mediocrity angered him and simply getting to a bowl was nothing to brag about.
I'll go a step further. Petrino may have been a big fat meanie, but he DID care about the state and the people here. Didn't he go to Children's hospital and even donated money? I recall he did some community things and people liked him. He just wasnt into the handjobbery of the media and hangers-on.
Quote from: Guardrail on Sep 17, 2023, 09:26 AMI'll go a step further. Petrino may have been a big fat meanie, but he DID care about the state and the people here. Didn't he go to Children's hospital and even donated money? I recall he did some community things and people liked him. He just wasnt into the handjobbery of the media and hangers-on.
Called us a dream job and signed a long term contract with buyout terms that heavily favored the school.
Just didn't like the handjobbery. Lol I remember the media outrage when that bitch wore a Florida hat to his presser, HE ANSWERED HER QUESTION, and then said that was the last question of her's that he'd answer with that hat on.
Zero chance Sam gets fired barring a for cause termination involving a foot in his desk or some Sandusky action. Yuri wouldn't shitcan him for a motorcycle wreck with a lady volleyball player.
There is no excuse for the shittiness of this coaching staff. Pittman has a very generous budget to get excellent coaches. He doesn't.
Cultural fit is such a bullshit thing to say in major college athletics. Muss and his fucking surfboard are not a "cultural fit" in NWA. Winning is what makes you a cultural fit.
I'm not some old fat ass slob that goes around to the local Razorback club fish fry to be glad-handed and get a picture taken w/ my "cultural fit" of a coach.
I would, however, start going to these events and let hypothetical coach dog cuss me in front of my kids and Meemaw if it meant we were about to win some motherfucking games.
The business is winning. Hire mean. At the least it's easier to fire when they don't perform.
/rant
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 17, 2023, 09:42 AMThere is no excuse for the shittiness of this coaching staff. Pittman has a very generous budget to get excellent coaches. He doesn't.
No excuse for Sam telling Briles to get lost only to make the laziest, uninspired, retread-est OC hire ever in Enos.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 09:19 AMIf Petrino was a "cultural fit" here why haven't we tried in my lifetime to hire another football coach like him? Going back to Hatfield which coach fit that same mold that he did? Who else obsessed over details so much that they waited a year knowing they already had a TD play ready for LSU?
Petrino is the exception, not the rule, among coaches, with respect to his attention to detail.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 08:56 AM- We play a 'home' game every year 200 miles from campus in a stadium that holds 25k fewer fans than our home stadium cuz nostalgia reasons.
Remember when Ole Miss played games in Jackson and Bama played in Birmingham ? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Sep 17, 2023, 11:17 AMRemember when Ole Miss played games in Jackson and Bama played in Birmingham ? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
"It's been 84 years..."
Pittman was Yurachek's hire, he will go to the may for him, good or bad.
Let's be honest, our program is all about the social aspect of having a fun Sunday and selling stuff, wins are secondary.
Coaching is what wins here because that is how we overcome other (SEC) program's money, nil, recruiting base, etc. - Petrino proved that. That is the type coach we need not a cheerleader - an obsessed coaching savant. Sadly, not many of them out here.
G.J. Kinne - young, hungry.
Next coach gets incentive heavy deal - like hunter claims (?) he likes cause every time we give a coach a new deal for winning 8 games they get rich and content and start half-assing it. No more generational wealth extensions for 1 ok year - make the earn the money. Hunter needs to not get played by the agents again and earn his $1 million pls salary.
pittman is the 12th highest paid coach in the sec. the salaries are what they are. it's set by the market, and you will not hire anyone worth a shit without paying him. and since the vast majority of that salary is paid by the boosters, i'm not sure why it should matter to a lot of folks.
the bitching about agents puzzle me. if i can afford the best attorney, then that's who i hire. same with a doctor, or anyone who's talent i might need. why should it be any different with an agent?
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 17, 2023, 01:40 PMpittman is the 12th highest paid coach in the sec. the salaries are what they are. it's set by the market, and you will not hire anyone worth a shit without paying him. and since the vast majority of that salary is paid by the boosters, i'm not sure why it should matter to a lot of folks.
the bitching about agents puzzle me. if i can afford the best attorney, then that's who i hire. same with a doctor, or anyone who's talent i might need. why should it be any different with an agent?
Exactly, everyone one of us would do the same thing.
Best agent, richest contract we could get, etc.
Quote from: BASS on Sep 17, 2023, 02:04 PMExactly, everyone one of us would do the same thing.
Best agent, richest contract we could get, etc.
Not me...I'd take my free money I'd be stealing for half of what Pitt makes.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 17, 2023, 01:40 PMpittman is the 12th highest paid coach in the sec. the salaries are what they are. it's set by the market, and you will not hire anyone worth a shit without paying him. and since the vast majority of that salary is paid by the boosters, i'm not sure why it should matter to a lot of folks.
the bitching about agents puzzle me. if i can afford the best attorney, then that's who i hire. same with a doctor, or anyone who's talent i might need. why should it be any different with an agent?
I said a few years ago, after we got rid of Bert, that the Athletic Department needs an agent to go toe to toe with agents like Sexton to keep contracts on a level playing field. We get screwed on these contracts every time.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 17, 2023, 02:13 PMI said a few years ago, after we got rid of Bert, that the Athletic Department needs an agent to go toe to toe with agents like Sexton to keep contracts on a level playing field. We get screwed on these contracts every time.
If you could get every Athletic Department in the SEC to do the same, that might work. However, Arkansas (or any other school) standing alone has no chance.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 17, 2023, 02:13 PMI said a few years ago, after we got rid of Bert, that the Athletic Department needs an agent to go toe to toe with agents like Sexton to keep contracts on a level playing field. We get screwed on these contracts every time.
Yurachek played himself
twice.
Once when he refused to play ball with Sexton re: Kiffin and wouldn't pay Leach what he wanted, and then again when he gave Pittman a huge raise and extension after one good season (same as what Long did for Bert) when he wasn't even in demand and had openly stated he wasn't going anywhere.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 17, 2023, 02:13 PMI said a few years ago, after we got rid of Bert, that the Athletic Department needs an agent to go toe to toe with agents like Sexton to keep contracts on a level playing field. We get screwed on these contracts every time.
your coach is the 12th highest paid out of 14. how much more level can it get?
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 17, 2023, 02:18 PMIf you could get every Athletic Department in the SEC to do the same, that might work. However, Arkansas (or any other school) standing alone has no chance.
exactly.
since kiffin's name gets tossed around here all the time, he lost 5 of his last 6 games (including the bowl) last year and got a raise to $9 million per. it's not just an arkansas "problem", if that's how you want to see it.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 02:21 PMYurachek played himself twice.
Once when he refused to play ball with Sexton re: Kiffin and wouldn't pay Leach what he wanted, and then again when he gave Pittman a huge raise and extension after one good season (same as what Long did for Bert) when he wasn't even in demand and had openly stated he wasn't going anywhere.
Yep.
An agent would have told Hunter to STFU and let them handle this AD, foundation, boosters, are stupid and need help. At least in Arkansas.
do you really think the university and razorback foundation doesn't have people who negotiate and sign off on these contracts? that's it's all on yurachek?
I'm going to hazard that these deals have in house council present representing the UA and making sure our AD doesn't get into trouble. That doesn't mean it's working or that our in-house council is "good enough".
Now that I've had a bit more time to cool off I don't want to see us replacing a coach after four years. So Pittman will probably get a pass this season unless the wheels really come off and it forces HY's hand. You'll know the wheels are coming off if some older guys go into knee management mode and so forth...
We might just fuck around and win just enough to get to another shitty bowl and be doing it with what may be the UA's all time leading passer. Could there be anything more UA than that?
They remember in November, Chuck.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 17, 2023, 02:29 PMdo you really think the university and razorback foundation doesn't have people who negotiate and sign off on these contracts? that's it's all on yurachek?
No, not intelligent ones.
Quote from: animal on Sep 17, 2023, 02:30 PMWe might just fuck around and win just enough to get to another shitty bowl and be doing it with what may be the UA's all time leading passer. Could there be anything more UA than that?
We went 5-6 in Matt Jones's senior year.
We went 4-8 in Tyler Wilson's senior year.
We went 4-8 in Austin Allen's senior year.
It would be the most Arkansas thing to finish KJ's senior season with a losing record.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 02:39 PMWe went 5-6 in Matt Jones's senior year.
We went 4-8 in Tyler Wilson's senior year.
We went 4-8 in Austin Allen's senior year.
It would be the most Arkansas thing to finish KJ's senior season with a losing record.
We went 3-8 Groveys last season.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 17, 2023, 02:37 PMNo, not intelligent ones.
Are you decrying the intellect of Scott Varady, sir!?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 17, 2023, 02:42 PMAre you decrying the intellect of Scott Varady, sir!?
After looking at his photo, 100%.
Maybe I'm not remembering this very well but in the times we've had a home and home with a non-con we've lost the back half of those matchups at home pretty much every time with the possible exception of the Texas game.
Texas Tech
BYU
TCU
Lost both of the Rutgers games and both to USC
You might have to go back to days of the magic man Houston Nutt playing SMU and winning yaw.
Quote from: animal on Sep 17, 2023, 02:47 PMMaybe I'm not remembering this very well but in the times we've had a home and home with a non-con we've lost the back half of those matchups at home pretty much every time with the possible exception of the Texas game.
Texas Tech
BYU
TCU
Lost both of the Rutgers games and both to USC
You might have to go back to days of the magic man Houston Nutt playing SMU and winning yaw.
We beat Texas in Austin in '03 and then lost in Fayetteville in '04, so you can add them to the growing list of bed shittings.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 02:50 PMWe beat Texas in Austin in '03 and then lost in Fayetteville in '04, so you can add them to the growing list of bed shittings.
I was thinking that most recent Fay trip was a game they owed us from the early 2000s before they kept pussing out on playing us.
Quote from: animal on Sep 17, 2023, 02:51 PMI was thinking that most recent Fay trip was a game they owed us from the early 2000s before they kept pussing out on playing us.
The 2021 game was the other side of the 2008 game we played in Austin in Petrino's first year.
Kennedy needs to be fired.
I'm not liking Enos at all right now, and know I said I was joining the dark side... but after calming down a bit. This is only his 3rd game, and let's be real here, the OL has been the problem. In all likelihood it is THE problem we have.
Quote from: animal on Sep 17, 2023, 02:47 PMMaybe I'm not remembering this very well but in the times we've had a home and home with a non-con we've lost the back half of those matchups at home pretty much every time with the possible exception of the Texas game.
Texas Tech
BYU
TCU
Lost both of the Rutgers games and both to USC
You might have to go back to days of the magic man Houston Nutt playing SMU and winning yaw.
We beat SMU home and home in 97, 98. Last time.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 17, 2023, 06:12 PMWe beat SMU home and home in 97, 98. Last time.
yes I know that's what I said
Quote from: passed on Sep 17, 2023, 05:41 PMKennedy needs to be fired.
I'm not liking Enos at all right now, and know I said I was joining the dark side... but after calming down a bit. This is only his 3rd game, and let's be real here, the OL has been the problem. In all likelihood it is THE problem we have.
I like Enos, but I don't think he's an upgrade over Briles. I also think KJ is a much better fit in the previous offensive system.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 02:39 PMWe went 5-6 in Matt Jones's senior year.
We went 4-8 in Tyler Wilson's senior year.
We went 4-8 in Austin Allen's senior year.
It would be the most Arkansas thing to finish KJ's senior season with a losing record.
5-5-1 Joe Ferguson's last season. SI picked us as the NC. We were 4-5-1 and JFB benched Ferguson to play Scott Bull to prep for 74. Bull got the win. An underrated hog QB.
Late to the topic but...
Liberty in year 3.
BYU in year 4.
Sadly I've come around to the idea that Pittman is not the guy.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 17, 2023, 06:12 PMWe beat SMU home and home in 97, 98. Last time.
In 1997 we played SMU in Shreveport, and we most definitely did not win that one. We barely played well enough to finish second, and didn't know it when we scored our touchdown.
Amazing we haven't played our true arch rival since 1999. :><: ::)
so what we have learned here is you can't fight history.
If you have you owe a game to a non-con at home and it's a p5...you're going to lose.
If you have a senior QB leading your team odds are the season isn't going to be a raving success.
If your coach has man tits that increases the odds of dumb shit decisions. If the OC wears a visor...just get ready for basketball season.
Great summary animal
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 17, 2023, 11:05 PM5-5-1 Joe Ferguson's last season. SI picked us as the NC. We were 4-5-1 and JFB benched Ferguson to play Scott Bull to prep for 74. Bull got the win. An underrated hog QB.
My parents and I went to that game at Texas Tech.
I say we hire Elon Musk and just let AI call all the plays. Thats where analytics are headed anyway. We might as well be on the cutting edge of something.
michigan state "starting the process" to fire mel tucker for cause.
Whoever called that fourth and inches play from the shotgun should have been fired within the next 30 seconds. WTF?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 18, 2023, 04:03 PMWhoever called that fourth and inches play from the shotgun should have been fired within the next 30 seconds. WTF?
It's that kind of shit that has turned me against Pittman being a good coach. The fact that it was just a standard handoff into the pile was even more infuriating
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 18, 2023, 04:15 PMIt's that kind of shit that has turned me against Pittman being a good coach. The fact that it was just a standard handoff into the pile was even more infuriating
KJ could have kept it and the RBs could have pushed him for the first down. Simple.
It is interesting that this time, there is no one defending or coming to the aid of the head coach. With coaches in the past there was a clear divide. This time, there is no divide. That tells me that his time as coach is done.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 18, 2023, 04:21 PMKJ could have kept it and the RBs could have pushed him for the first down. Simple.
I recall a KJ QB sneak play where he uses his size and also everyone gets behind him to push. Seems like it worked.
Enos doesn't have that play?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 18, 2023, 04:35 PMI recall a KJ QB sneak play where he uses his size and also everyone gets behind him to push. Seems like it worked.
Enos doesn't have that play?
I'm pretty sure we used it this year. It is literally unstoppable and we do that shit.
After watching the Eagles QB sneak on literally (do not check) every 4th and 1 play for a year, it's criminal to not do the same with a QB KJ's size.
Unless we've tried it and it won't even work in practice against our defense because the OL is so, so freaking terrible.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 18, 2023, 05:23 PMUnless we've tried it and it won't even work in practice against our defense because the OL is so, so freaking terrible.
Blocking is so bad a QB sneak won't work but a run up the gut out of the shotgun is the answer? Stupid fucking coaching decisions.
Roll him out. Give him a run or pass option. Super simple.
You guys under estimate the bravado and hubris by Pittman and or his staff. This staff evidently didn't know their offensive line was this fucking bad and failed to address issues in the off-season. Remember the bragging about the defensive line in August. Boy oh boy.
This was a challenge testing our manhood and when it failed it told BYU all it needed to know about who the cake eaters were on the field. It wasn't so much that we went for it on 4th and 1 it's how we did it. That was about as emasculating as Chad's not going for it against Colorado State but had we just ran a ho hum 4th and 1 to the flats or something to the red hot TE...I don't it would have hit us as hard. This was a goat fuck decision and I think everyone in the stadium knew it when it happened just like we knew it when last season Bobby went for it on 4th and short and knew EXACTLY what was about to happen.
I actually do think our defensive is pretty decent ish...if nothing else it's deep with serviceable players unlike prior years. That depth may prove helpful as we get deeper into the season.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2023, 06:12 PMYou guys under estimate the bravado and hubris by Pittman and or his staff. This staff evidently didn't know their offensive line was this fucking bad and failed to address issues in the off-season. Remember the bragging about the defensive line in August. Boy oh boy.
This was a challenge testing our manhood and when it failed it told BYU all it needed to know about who the cake eaters were on the field. It wasn't so much that we went for it on 4th and 1 it's how we did it. That was about as emasculating as Chad's not going for it against Colorado State but had we just ran a ho hum 4th and 1 to the flats or something to the red hot TE...I don't it would have hit us as hard. This was a goat fuck decision and I think everyone in the stadium knew it when it happened just like we knew it when last season Bobby went for it on 4th and short and knew EXACTLY what was about to happen.
I actually do think our defensive is pretty decent ish...if nothing else it's deep with serviceable players unlike prior years. That depth may prove helpful as we get deeper into the season.
We have too many big, slow, weak, white guys on the OL. And I don't mean that to be racist.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 18, 2023, 06:20 PMWe have too many big, slow, weak, white guys on the OL. And I don't mean that to be racist.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 11, 2023, 07:00 AMI knew we were in trouble yesterday when the teevees showed the OL lineup and 4 of the 5 linemen were smiling white boys that looked like they share the same hairdresser and couldn't wait for the post-game Bible study on the book of Job.
What I wouldn't give for another Dan Skipper in war paint.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 18, 2023, 06:20 PMWe have too many big, slow, weak, white guys on the OL. And I don't mean that to be racist.
In the preseason the coaches didn't think it be like that but it do.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 18, 2023, 05:23 PMUnless we've tried it and it won't even work in practice against our defense because the OL is so, so freaking terrible.
Sadly, I think that's exactly it.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 18, 2023, 04:21 PMKJ could have kept it and the RBs could have pushed him for the first down. Simple.
The media oddly always blew Tom Brady for being the master of the 4th and short sneak.
He didn't do anything special and wasn't very strong. He succeeded at it so often because he played for a smart coach who didn't do dumb shit like line him up 5 yards behind the LOS and hand it off to a back standing beside him when he needed inches and could largely have his QB fall forward for it from under center.
KJ is 250 pounds. Dominque Johnson is also 250 fucking pounds. Just have KJ take it from under center and Johnson push his ass forward. Hell, have Dubinion push Johnson's ass forward into KJ's.
This isn't rocket surgery.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 18, 2023, 08:31 PMThe media oddly always blew Tom Brady for being the master of the 4th and short sneak.
He didn't do anything special and wasn't very strong. He succeeded at it so often because he played for a smart coach who didn't do dumb shit like line him up 5 yards behind the LOS and hand it off to a back standing beside him when he needed inches and could largely have his QB fall forward for it from under center.
KJ is 250 pounds. Dominque Johnson is also 250 fucking pounds. Just have KJ take it from under center and Johnson push his ass forward. Hell, have Dubinion push Johnson's ass forward into KJ's.
This isn't rocket surgery.
Yes yes...the Maryland I would have worked for sure.
It didn't matter because we won the game, but the delay of game on 3rd (or 4th?) and goal from the 1 in the Kent State game we had...how in the fuck do you ever let that happen as a coach?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 18, 2023, 04:03 PMWhoever called that fourth and inches play from the shotgun should have been fired within the next 30 seconds. WTF?
Someone should have called timeout before the snap and fired anyone associated with that shit.
I figure Mel Tucker will be back with Saban next season (if Saban is even back next season), surely giving yourself a handy while on the phone with a professional victim is not a crime.
Unrelated but I also count on this Milroe kid looking like a Heisman candidate against us.
Quote from: animal on Sep 19, 2023, 03:55 PMI figure Mel Tucker will be back with Saban next season (if Saban is even back next season), surely giving yourself a handy while on the phone with a professional victim is not a crime.
Unrelated but I also count on this Milroe kid looking like a Heisman candidate against us.
Milroe looked good against us last year when Young went out.
https://footballscoop.com/news/indiana-makes-a-change-at-offensive-coordinator
So you can fire the OC mid-season.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 07:59 PMhttps://footballscoop.com/news/indiana-makes-a-change-at-offensive-coordinator
So you can fire the OC mid-season.
Indiana has cratered mightily since Penix transferred to Washington
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 01, 2023, 10:01 PMIndiana has cratered mightily since Penix transferred to Washington
Yeah, it really hurts to lose your Penix...
Quote from: Spiderham on Oct 01, 2023, 10:26 PMYeah, it really hurts to lose your Penix...
They could replace a Penix with an Enos?
Quote from: Spiderham on Oct 01, 2023, 10:26 PMYeah, it really hurts to lose your Penix...
So I guess they're...transitioning?
https://x.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1709584767623295257?s=20
What's this? I serious football program doing whatever it takes regardless of what it looks like to win. Winning at all costs...that type of thing. Of course they couldn't allow phone sex but they'll trade that for Urb grabbing women in a bar.
Quote from: animal on Oct 04, 2023, 08:16 PMhttps://x.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1709584767623295257?s=20
What's this? I serious football program doing whatever it takes regardless of what it looks like to win. Winning at all costs...that type of thing. Of course they couldn't allow phone sex but they'll trade that for Urb grabbing women in a bar.
But...he has a heart...no?
Here's an interesting stat:
after 67 games at TAMU
Jimbo 43-24
Sumlin 45-22
Dabo is catching some shit:
https://x.com/chapelfowler/status/1719148881450082714?
4-4 would be fine for them if it was just one year of rebuilding. Dabo's insistence on hiring shitty position coaches, on directing the offense, and on refusing to use the portal... all while being a general dick to the fans like that... are why they are so mad.
louisville is gonna be looking for a basketball coach by March
https://x.com/MasonHorodyski/status/1719190281994539169?s=20
I wonder what he thinks about getting off the bus and fighting bears.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 31, 2023, 06:30 PMI wonder what he thinks about getting off the bus and fighting bears.
I'd like to think Mike wouldn't flake out this badly...Louisville will almost certainly be coach shopping before too long. I think the hooker thing kinda killed that program for a while but this sad shit won't fly for long. Hell Penn State survived kid fucking in fairly short order.
Beard will be there next year if he has a good year at Ole Miss.
I didn't want to start a new thread and Bobby Knight hopefully isn't on a hot seat, but he passed away. People have mixed feelings about him and his method of coaching.
I have a lot of respect for him and would send my kid to play for him. It would make my kid a stronger person. I played for a hothead in HS baseball and while we didn't love him then, 20+ years down the road we respected what he was trying to do and how it prepared us for life.
RIP Bobby Knight
Quote from: Hognrock on Nov 01, 2023, 06:12 PMI didn't want to start a new thread and Bobby Knight hopefully isn't on a hot seat, but he passed away. People have mixed feelings about him and his method of coaching.
I have a lot of respect for him and would send my kid to play for him. It would make my kid a stronger person. I played for a hothead in HS baseball and while we didn't love him then, 20+ years down the road we respected what he was trying to do and how it prepared us for life.
RIP Bobby Knight
This subject deserves its own thread. There will be plenty to discuss.
Now here is a hot new rumor:
https://x.com/PeterDancer21/status/1721350122280202362?
They hoping he decided HC wasn't the fit for him?
Clemson fans are going to bathe with toasters.
Wow put OU under a first year coach in year one SEC?
Hooty to the people heppin' courtesy phone!!
venables going to walk away from $7.1 million?
after looking at that guy's page, i'm calling bullshit.
If that happens, we need to hire Jeff Lebby. Hire him to either replace Sam or give him $2.5 million or so to come as OC. Make him associate HC if that helps.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 06, 2023, 02:56 PMIf that happens, we need to hire Jeff Lebby. Hire him to either replace Sam or give him $2.5 million or so to come as OC. Make him associate HC if that helps.
Judging by the news reports in OK, his play calling sounds like Kendal Briles part deux.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Nov 06, 2023, 03:02 PMJudging by the news reports in OK, his play calling sounds like Kendal Briles part deux.
I don't know. He was pretty fucking good at Ole Miss. And he is a really good down to earth guy. I actually know a guy who is pretty good friends with him.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 06, 2023, 02:19 PMNow here is a hot new rumor:
https://x.com/PeterDancer21/status/1721350122280202362?
stupid. makes no sense and venables has zero ties to the west coast.
I think it's more likely that Riley bolts for the NFL.
I'm not sure Riley will get that chance at this point.
That rumor just went right the fuck ahead and jumped the shark.
In case y'all haven't noticed, guess who Jim Harbaugh's lawyer is-- none other than Tom Mars from Little Rock.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 09, 2023, 05:47 PMIn case y'all haven't noticed, guess who Jim Harbaugh's lawyer is-- none other than Tom Mars from Little Rock.
I guess Tom took time off from his passive-aggressive campaign for governor to do some paying work.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 09, 2023, 06:53 PMI guess Tom took time off from his passive-aggressive campaign for governor to do some paying work.
He has developed the most niche-oriented practice I can imagine-- fucking with the NCAA and getting paid very well for it.
intersting.......
https://x.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1722752235010982276?s=20
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 09, 2023, 07:52 PMintersting.......
https://x.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1722752235010982276?s=20
Well, even though Mars claims to be a Republican, he leans about as far left as anyone. So plagiarism isn't unusual in those types.
Orval was more of a Republican than Tom Mars
Jimbo fired at aTm?
https://x.com/billyliucci/status/1723694746575442027?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
At least Arkansas now knows who their #1 target will be.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 12, 2023, 07:52 AMJimbo fired at aTm?
https://x.com/billyliucci/status/1723694746575442027?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
This doesn't make sense. I mean, yea, obviously the guy sucks, but you're gonna fire him after a big conference win with games still left on the schedule? Seems fishy to me.
They need a school alum who likes to go fast.
I've got a friend that is pretty close to their program. He texted me he is gone.
Gotta applaud their desire to win.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 08:07 AMThis doesn't make sense. I mean, yea, obviously the guy sucks, but you're gonna fire him after a big conference win with games still left on the schedule? Seems fishy to me.
Billy L is the source of Aggie news, if he says it it is true.
https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1723703712193859847?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Yeah, the contrast is pretty stark. Aggie fires a coach with a winning record and $75 million buyout after a win and we agonize about firing Sam after being embarrassed at home.
Maybe Captain Obvious here, but surely they have the replacement? Could BMFP be getting a promotion?
That was fast.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-jimbo-fisher-out-at-texas-am-133841670.html
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 12, 2023, 08:09 AMThey need a school alum who likes to go fast.
If your not taking speed your chasing it
Arkansas is just not serious about football. No top coach is ever coming here.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 12, 2023, 08:04 AMAt least Arkansas now knows who their #1 target will be.
He and Gus can arm wrestle for it.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 12, 2023, 08:35 AMArkansas is just not serious about football. No top coach is ever coming here again.
Fixt
They got any jukeboxes need turned on in College Station?
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 12, 2023, 08:35 AMArkansas is just not serious about football. No top coach is ever coming here.
Yep.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 12, 2023, 08:09 AMThey need a school alum who likes to go fast.
You mean Club Dumb might reopen for business?
Nice rise in money over 25 years for ole Jimbo.
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We are not a program where coaches come to die. We are a program where coaches come to get rich, no matter what. Fuck us.
Just pulling it out of my ass, but wouldn't surprise me if aggie makes a run at Kiffin.
Titboss is gone.
Quote from: Cinghiale on Nov 12, 2023, 09:47 AMJust pulling it out of my ass, but wouldn't surprise me if aggie makes a run at Kiffin.
I think they'll make Lanning say no first and end up with Elko.
https://x.com/andy_staples/status/1723723452471713834?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/tjaltimore/status/1723723718415794502?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
by the time the buyout is paid, fisher will have made $117 million. and for those that complain about pittman's buyout, here's the list for the other sec coaches (in millions):
saban - $44.8
kirby - $92.6
kelley - $70.1
stoops - $51.2
heupel - $46.5
napier - $32.4
freeze - $21.2
drinwitz - $20.4
beamer - $18.2
pittman - $16
vandy and the mississippi schools don't disclose theirs.
Just stick with Sam until the contract runs out. There's no coach willing to come here that can change the win/loss record anyway. Save your money.
We need to make a change before next year. If we don't that schedule will liquify the football program.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 12, 2023, 09:11 AMYou mean Club Dumb might reopen for business?
;D I think that's the first time I've heard it changed to that.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 12, 2023, 11:37 AMWe need to make a change before next year. If we don't that schedule will liquify the football program.
next years schedule is one of the easiest we've had in years.
no bama. texass, lsu, ole miss, and tennessee at home.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 11:43 AMnext years schedule is one of the easiest we've had in years.
no bama. texass, lsu, ole miss, and tennessee at home.
I don't think it will be easy just because we play at home. Home field advantage is for teams that play well at home.
we traded tenner for bama. it is easier.
A&M likely going after Lanning. HY needs to act and go get Elko or whomever.
Also if you lose coach portal opens 30 days early.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 12, 2023, 12:17 PMA&M likely going after Lanning. HY needs to act and go get Elko or whomever.
Also if you lose coach portal opens 30 days early.
You mean the Dukes got their hands on the frozen orange juice report early again? Damn those guys.
who a&m wants as coach will have no impact on who arkansas might go after.
one shops at neiman-marcus, the other at the walmarks.
https://twitter.com/HAWGInsider101/status/1723744710869549492?t=AifxYmhRJ-GWH5adHXE1GA&s=19
I have no idea how legit this account is. There's just no way the idiots with the money to after Gus again. How many raises has that clown gotten because of them?
if that is remotely true, then whoever pays for the buyout, picks the coach.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 12:28 PMif that is remotely true, then whoever pays for the buyout, picks the coach.
Shirley they wouldn't bring Gus in. That would serve no purpose other than Arkansas paying for his kids' retirements.
They'll give Gus a lifetime contract if he's interested. The obsession with this guy from a select few is truly bizarre.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Nov 12, 2023, 12:35 PMThat would serve no purpose other than Arkansas paying for his their kids' retirements.
has this not happened with the last few hires?
Gus isn't in my top 5. Maybe not in my top 10.
He's old, fat, and washed up.
BUT he's probably the kind of coach who would win 6-9 games here. He'd lose some WTF games and then turn around and upset #1.
He was brought here by Nutt and though many of us saw him as the anti-Dale, time has slowly molded him into that idiot's image.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 12, 2023, 12:26 PMhttps://twitter.com/HAWGInsider101/status/1723744710869549492?t=AifxYmhRJ-GWH5adHXE1GA&s=19
I have no idea how legit this account is. There's just no way the idiots with the money to after Gus again. How many raises has that clown gotten because of them?
That has all the hallmarks of someone who just wants to be able to say he was the first to break the news.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 12, 2023, 12:43 PMGus isn't in my top 5. Maybe not in my top 10.
He's old, fat, and washed up.
So he's perfect for Arkansas, because that's what we do.
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There will be a push for Gus. People with money will make threats, and Hunter will have to decide whether or not to tell them to fuck all the way off. Like the last two times we needed a coach, it'll be up to Gus to accept or reject us. We get to find out whether the AD job at Arkansas only means Director of all non-football Athletics.
Maybe if we make the next coach a black lesbian the Waltons will throw a train load of money at us.
I don't get some of the hate for Yurachek that I've seen on nobville and twatter. He made the hire that he thought was best (that we could afford) at a time when no one really wanted to come in after the Bert and Chad stank. For two years we were excited and the third year still ended in a bowl win. I won't get down on Hunter unless he decides to keep Sam another year.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 12, 2023, 01:23 PMMaybe if we make the next coach a black lesbian the Waltons will throw a train load of money at us.
The trifecta would be a black trans lesbian.
Which, translated, means it's a black guy so maybe he will have played football.
We're going to steal Dawn Staley from South Carolina?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 12, 2023, 02:03 PMThe trifecta would be a black trans lesbian.
Which, translated, means it's a black guy so maybe he will have played football.
So Houston Nutt's son (suddenly identifying as black), with Hootie as a "consultant"? :stache:
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 12, 2023, 02:03 PMThe trifecta would be a black trans lesbian.
Which, translated, means it's a black guy so maybe he will have played football.
Michelle?
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 12, 2023, 12:43 PMGus isn't in my top 5. Maybe not in my top 10.
He's old, fat, and washed up.
BUT he's probably the kind of coach who would win 6-9 games here. He'd lose some WTF games and then turn around and upset #1.
He was brought here by Nutt and though many of us saw him as the anti-Dale, time has slowly molded him into that idiot's image.
He's not on my wish list but he's easily 10 times the coach Pittman is.
We'd basically be right back where we were with Nutt, complete with a coach that half the fanbase can't stand. Similar results and it'd be nearly impossible to fire him. This has been the boosters' wet dream for 10 years now.
Quote from: animal on Nov 12, 2023, 03:10 PMHe's not on my wish list but he's easily 10 times the coach Pittman is.
an incredibly low bar such as that should not be the requirement.
and fwiw, otis says a decision has been made. waiting on prj or portarian to confirm.
I could see the thinking for Malzahn to keep Travis Williams.
I could also see an Odom return and retain some of the staff.
Neither of these moves suggest we're really serious about becoming a serious football program. As expected.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 03:24 PMan incredibly low bar such a that should not be the requirement.
and fwiw, otis says a decision has been made. waiting on prj or portarian to confirm.
I'm by no means a Gus fan and even less so since he's left us at the alter two or three times. That being said my issue with him is mainly not wanting to overpay for a coach that's clearly on the back 9 of his career.
This university has had multiple top candidates slip thru their fingers over some of the dumbest shit thru the years but that's over and done. We have to be willing to stop chasing the past and take a chance on the future. That means basically no Petrino or Bert people. No Nutt either.
The we're broke shit doesn't fly either...stop fucking up hires if you don't want to pay the buyouts
Jamey Chadwell.
Let's go.
I said that Gus would be in play earlier in the season and I'll say it again. Our money people are nothing if not predictable. I really hope it doesn't happen.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 03:24 PMan incredibly low bar such as that should not be the requirement.
and fwiw, otis says a decision has been made. waiting on prj or portarian to confirm.
Didn't one of them get raped to death or something?
Quote from: red death on Nov 12, 2023, 03:50 PMJamey Chadwell.
Let's go.
I could get behind this, and that's based totally on his coaching record and has nothing to do with his physical appearance.
If we get Gus, we'll get another guy who isn't hungry, who is past his prime, and who will tear the fanbase and boosters apart when it is time for him to go.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 12, 2023, 04:02 PMIf we get Gus, we'll get another guy who isn't hungry, who is past his prime, and who will tear the fanbase and boosters apart when it is time for him to go.
It's the most Arkansas thing to do. We are who we are.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 12, 2023, 03:31 PMI could see the thinking for Malzahn to keep Travis Williams.
I could also see an Odom return and retain some of the staff.
Neither of these moves suggest we're really serious about becoming a serious football program. As expected.
agree on all points
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Nov 12, 2023, 04:05 PMIt's the most Arkansas thing to do. We are who we are.
No sir there is only one man that understands how to keep your job and be mediocre and his last name starts with an N and ends with two Ts.
Vickery tells me they are more likely to dig up the body of JFB than Gus to be coach.
Quote from: animal on Nov 12, 2023, 04:20 PMNo sir there is only one man that understands how to keep your job and be mediocre and his last name starts with an N and ends with two Ts.
Nutsts?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 12, 2023, 04:02 PMIf we get Gus, we'll get another guy who isn't hungry, who is past his prime, and who will tear the fanbase and boosters apart when it is time for him to go.
if offered, he may just take the job TO tear us down further, if that is possible. He may seek revenge for Nutt fucking with him and then us not paying him what he thought he was worth the other times.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 12, 2023, 04:02 PMIf we get Gus, we'll get another guy who isn't hungry, who is past his prime, and who will tear the fanbase and boosters apart when it is time for him to go.
This.
And let's not forget every successful QB he had was inherited or a transfer. He has never developed a QB in college.
In later years, he relied on his DC's and recruiting that Arkansas will never
pay for get.
Finebaum has the Aggie list as
Lanning
Freshwater
Elko
DeBoer
We need to get going. No old guys. No Gus.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 12, 2023, 04:57 PMFinebaum has the Aggie list as
Lanning
Freshwater
Elko
DeBoer
We need to get going. No old guys. No Gus.
That may be the Aggie list, but I don't think we would have shot at any of them. After all the "names" say no, I still say they need to talk to Jeff Traylor.
I would take Traylor over Gus. Not sure he's ready for the SEC but he does recruit well in TX.
If Yurachek isn't doing everything he can to get Petrino back then we need a new AD.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 12, 2023, 04:23 PMVickery tells me they are more likely to dig up the body of JFB than Gus to be coach.
I'm hearing that Pittman is definitely out, but they're holding off on the announcement until they can finalize a deal with Pete Carroll, who has agreed in principal. They just have to work out a couple of minor details and sign the paperwork. Are you hearing this too?
ETA: Keep this here.
Quote from: TheOtherWhiteMeat on Nov 12, 2023, 07:45 PMIf Yurachek isn't doing everything he can to get Petrino back then we need a new AD.
Too good to be true
Quote from: TheOtherWhiteMeat on Nov 12, 2023, 07:45 PMIf Yurachek isn't doing everything he can to get Petrino back then we need a new AD.
I don't think he has it anymore. He could have given us another decade of really good-to-greatness but everything that happened after April Fools Day 2012 just ruined him.
His second stint at UL was mediocre before it was a disaster
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 07:48 PMI'm hearing that Pittman is definitely out, but they're holding off on the announcement until they can finalize a deal with Pete Carroll, who has agreed in principal. They just have to work out a couple of minor details and sign the paperwork. Are you hearing this too?
ETA: Keep this here.
Did the deal with Gruden fall through?
Quote from: TheOtherWhiteMeat on Nov 12, 2023, 07:45 PMIf Yurachek isn't doing everything he can to get Petrino back then we need a new AD.
how many times does it have to be posted that he cannot be rehired. it's school policy.
besides the guy's time has passed. he's 62-45 since leaving arkansas and his last two teams quit on him.
Quote from: TheOtherWhiteMeat on Nov 12, 2023, 07:45 PMIf Yurachek isn't doing everything he can to get Petrino back then we need a new AD.
I've said this over and over and over.
Get ready for the dogpile.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 08:25 PMhow many times does it have to be posted that he cannot be rehired. it's school policy.
besides the guy's time has passed. he's 62-45 since leaving arkansas and his last two teams quit on him.
I agree with both of those things. Besides, he could never replicate his previous performance. We all know who he really is now-- brilliant, but a scumbag. Bet he couldn't recruit worth a damn these days.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 12, 2023, 08:23 PMDid the deal with Gruden fall through?
Try to keep up. It's going to be Belichick. He's on record saying he's always wanted to coach in college.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 12, 2023, 09:18 PMTry to keep up. It's going to be Belichick. He's on record saying he's always wanted to coach in college.
Well, if that doesn't work, we can fall back on Tony Dungy or Bill Cowher.
Harbaugh is on the way.
Michigan State may be making a big run at Leipold
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 08:25 PMhow many times does it have to be posted that he cannot be rehired. it's school policy.
besides the guy's time has passed. he's 62-45 since leaving arkansas and his last two teams quit on him.
This! He sucks now, he even sucked at the FCS level.
Quote from: CardHog on Nov 13, 2023, 06:46 AMThis! He sucks now, he even sucked at the FCS level.
Damn near beat us
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 13, 2023, 06:48 AMDamn near beat us
That just means he wasn't as good as Hugh Freeze at Liberty.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 13, 2023, 07:28 AMThat just means he wasn't as good as Hugh Freeze at Liberty.
Or he exposed our defense for everyone who played us afterwards.
His TD call on a particular 4th and 1 proved that we weren't watching film.
Weren't watching ULM film from 15 years ago. Mind boggling that anyone thinks he would be successful as a head coach in this league in this era.
Who are your top three candidates?
All I know is the Florida coach should be fired for losing to Titts.
Guess Moo State has fired Arnett:
https://x.com/hailstatefb/status/1724062277635346859?
More pressure applied to Yurachek
Can't believe he didn't get another year for beating us
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 08:00 AMMore pressure applied to Yurachek
Hopefully.
A&M just beat the shit out of State, is bowl eligible, and they still fired Jimbo.
Arnett was only 11 games into his tenure at MSU and had a better record this year than Pittman.
Both are out while we're still playing fuck-around.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 08:15 AMHopefully.
A&M just beat the shit out of State, is bowl eligible, and they still fired Jimbo.
Arnett was only 11 games into his tenure at MSU and had a better record this year than Pittman.
Both are out while we're still playing fuck-around.
And now competing against two better situations if we do fire him.
Quote from: TheOtherWhiteMeat on Nov 12, 2023, 07:45 PMIf Yurachek isn't doing everything he can to get Petrino back then we need a new AD.
Really? Can we just move on? Wtf does he fucking bring to the modern game? Its passed him by. We need a coach that can hire solid assistants, can recruit across high school, portal, and NIL. No one wants to coach with Petrino. He hates recruiting. BMFP can eat a bag of dicks.
Cue up the Art Briles knobpolishers.
Yuri will find the right guy.
Quote from: animal on Nov 13, 2023, 08:19 AMAnd now competing against two better situations if we do fire him.
Is Mississippi State really a better situation? And if that's the case are we in a better situation than anyone we're going to be competing against for our next HC?
Quote from: animal on Nov 13, 2023, 07:53 AMAll I know is the Florida coach should be fired for losing to Titts.
Their fans are looking at losing to us like we looked at losing to Western Kentucky.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 13, 2023, 08:31 AMIs Mississippi State really a better situation? And if that's the case are we in a better situation than anyone we're going to be competing against for our next HC?
Try selling your wife on a move to fucking Starkville.
"Starkville: There are worse places in Mississippi to live."
1. Drinkwitz
2. Odum
3. Lashlee
I'd put my money on bringing ole Rhett home.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 12, 2023, 09:23 PMWell, if that doesn't work, we can fall back on Tony Dungy or Bill Cowher.
A&M vet school working on reanimating Landry and Lombardi.
Quote from: animal on Nov 13, 2023, 08:19 AMAnd now competing against two better situations if we do fire him.
A&M and?
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 13, 2023, 08:43 AMA&M vet school working on reanimating Landry and Lombardi.
Not really. But they do want Jackie Sherrill.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 08:39 AM1. Drinkwitz
2. Odum
3. Lashlee
I'd put my money on bringing ole Rhett home.
Lashlee will be plan B for the Springdale cultists after Gus says no.
Do not want.
another guy from smu with minimal experience. just the road arkansas should go down again.
and yes you know gus will absolutely recommend lashlee. and laugh his ass off after he hangs up the phone.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 09:41 AMLashlee will be plan B for the Springdale cultists after Gus says no.
Do not want.
Last time we hired an SMU coach didn't go so well ...
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 13, 2023, 09:46 AManother guy from smu with minimal experience. just the road arkansas should go down again.
and yes you know gus will absolutely recommend lashlee. and laugh his ass off after he hangs up the phone.
But Rhett loves that helmet, Chuck!
Is there anyone more suited for Aggie at this moment in time than ...fucking Chad Morris. Lord Jesus please make it happen.
Faith in HY to find his football Muss? Or do we let the money people writing checks make the decision?
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 08:15 AMHopefully.
A&M just beat the shit out of State, is bowl eligible, and they still fired Jimbo.
Arnett was only 11 games into his tenure at MSU and had a better record this year than Pittman.
Both are out while we're still playing fuck-around.
You know the pecking order in the soon-to-be-discarded SEC West:
1. Bama
2. LSU
3. Auburn
4. Texas A&M
5 and 6. The Missies
7. Arkansas
We are the West's equivalent of the East's Vandy in football.. And our athletic program accepts this.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 13, 2023, 10:10 AMFaith in HY to find his football Muss? Or do we let the money people writing checks make the decision?
Meanwhile, Jeff Long was picking up a tool box at Lowes on Zion Sunday afternoon.
Lashlee will be our next coach.
We hired a bumpkin the last time we'll actually the last two times. Those were backup plans from committees.
Money people will probably want their guy this time but I also figure HY will get enough rope to hire whoever the fuck he wants knowing if we get this wrong they'll be coming for his head.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 13, 2023, 10:10 AMFaith in HY to find his football Muss? Or do we let the money people writing checks make the decision?
He was at Coastal Carolina I think after Moglia started and then he was gone from there before Chadwell was promoted to the head coaching spot. He wasn't officially the AD of Houston until after Herman was hired.
Considering the success our money people have had at fucking these sorts of things up, all I can do is trust Yurachek to do it right.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 13, 2023, 10:25 AMHe was at Coastal Carolina I think after Moglia started and then he was gone from there before Chadwell was promoted to the head coaching spot. He wasn't officially the AD of Houston until after Herman was hired.
Considering the success our money people have had at fucking these sorts of things up, all I can do is trust Yurachek to do it right.
He can't do any worse than the boosters and Board of Trustees did the last time they handled it.
A&M fans think they are the #1 option for top coaches.
Meh, there are many Gheys but only one Razorback.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 13, 2023, 10:27 AMHe can't do any worse than the boosters and Board of Trustees did the last time they handled it.
Sometimes I feel like the powers that be take that as a challenge.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 13, 2023, 10:15 AMLashlee will be our next coach.
Well that would certainly free up my Saturday's in the Fall. If we can't do better than that just close up shop. IMHO
Yurachek is 55. If he hires Odom or Malzahn, it should get him cashing paychecks right up to 60 and those guys could be enticed at the prospect of working hard for a year or two then coasting right into retirement with sacks of cash.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 13, 2023, 10:45 AMYurachek is 55. If he hires Odom or Malzahn, it should get him cashing paychecks right up to 60 and those guys could be enticed at the prospect of working hard for a year or two then coasting right into retirement with sacks of cash.
So it is written...
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 13, 2023, 10:45 AMYurachek is 55. If he hires Odom or Malzahn, it should get him cashing paychecks right up to 60 and those guys could be enticed at the prospect of working hard for a year or two then coasting right into retirement with sacks of cash.
And if we manage to beat Texas in year 1 or 2 they double whatever the buyout is
Sam just said he plans on being here a while.
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 13, 2023, 12:16 PMSam just said he plans on being here a while.
Yep. Says he's going to turn it around!
Jimmy Sexton has spoken!
The ball is in your court HY.
Sam is a lying sack of shit. Not a big deal except that he made so many statements about not having to be fired if he wasn't getting it done and so on and so forth. Fuck that guy.
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 13, 2023, 12:16 PMSam just said he plans on being here a while.
Que "Dream On"
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 13, 2023, 12:16 PMSam just said he plans on being here a while.
I didn't buy any of the negotiated buyout/retirement talk. He has zero financial incentive to step down voluntarily.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 12:35 PMI didn't buy any of the negotiated buyout/retirement talk. He has zero financial incentive to step down voluntarily.
But Sam loves the program and the state!
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 12:35 PMI didn't buy any of the negotiated buyout/retirement talk. He has zero financial incentive to step down voluntarily.
The only leverage we have, and it probably isn't much, is the duty to mitigate in his contract.
If Sam really wants this to be his last job, and wants to retire to Lake Hamilton in view of HTL's condo, he might agree to reduce the buyout a bit in order to not have to take a job coaching someone's offensive line for five years.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 12:26 PMSam is a lying sack of shit. Not a big deal except that he made so many statements about not having to be fired if he wasn't getting it done and so on and so forth. Fuck that guy.
On his exit collecting his 16 million or whatever it will be he will say "sure thought I could turn it around"
it doesn't matter what pittman says.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 13, 2023, 12:40 PMThe only leverage we have, and it probably isn't much, is the duty to mitigate in his contract.
If Sam really wants this to be his last job, and wants to retire to Lake Hamilton in view of HTL's condo, he might agree to reduce the buyout a bit in order to not have to take a job coaching someone's offensive line for five years.
Good point.
But given how idiotic that contract extension was both at the time and in hindsight, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Yurachek got worked in terms of the language (the 2020 record not counting towards his W/L buyout calculation was asinine).
I'm sure we'll find out that half is due in 30 days and the other half is not contingent a duty to mitigate.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 12:44 PMGood point.
But given how idiotic that contract extension was both at the time and in hindsight, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Yurachek got worked in terms of the language (the 2020 record not counting towards his W/L buyout calculation was asinine).
I'm sure we'll find out that half is due in 30 days and the other half is not contingent a duty to mitigate.
I don't know for sure, but it's been said online (so it has to be true) that the buyout is paid over the remaining years of the contract, and that there is a duty to mitigate.
So, if we fire him, we owe roughly $3MM/year for five years. Maybe offer to remove the duty to mitigate for a reduction of $1MM/year, or a lump sum for the present value of that total.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 08:39 AM1. Drinkwitz
2. Odum
3. Lashlee
I'd put my money on bringing ole Rhett home.
Hell no on Odom. He's a terrible recruiter and was 25-25 at Missouri in 4 years. He was 13-19 in the weaker SEC East. Hard pass.
it takes google like .002564 seconds to pull up his contract and buyout.
whether he's fired or quits he's obligated to find another job, unless an agreement is reached.
the buyout is paid in yearly installments over the remaining length of the contract.
Hey, we made the top 10 in something related to football!
https://x.com/nytimes/status/1724135054492733556?
And it was Chad Morris that did it for us!
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 13, 2023, 12:58 PMHey, we made the top 10 in something related to football!
https://x.com/nytimes/status/1724135054492733556?
And it was Chad Morris that did it for us!
Some consolation that Aggie appears there twice.
3 times if you count the chadster.
Chad and his $10 million. The absolute worst coach in NCAA football history got #10 million bucks to GTFO.
I went into the wrong profession.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 13, 2023, 12:40 PMThe only leverage we have, and it probably isn't much, is the duty to mitigate in his contract.
If Sam really wants this to be his last job, and wants to retire to Lake Hamilton in view of HTL's condo, he might agree to reduce the buyout a bit in order to not have to take a job coaching someone's offensive line for five years.
:maundoed:
Quote from: Feral on Nov 13, 2023, 12:35 PMI didn't buy any of the negotiated buyout/retirement talk. He has zero financial incentive to step down voluntarily.
So fire him and enforce every bit of the offset language. Make him get a fucking job
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 13, 2023, 01:19 PMChad and his $10 million. The absolute worst coach in NCAA football history got #10 million bucks to GTFO.
I went into the wrong profession.
hilarious that so many got triggered by bert's buyout but said nothing about that worthless piece of shit getting almost as much.
You gotta remember Jimmy Sexton is sitting at the end of that rainbow. He's gonna want to get his cut.
It's a bit convoluted because why is Jimbo in a different car rather than his car? Anyway, it sounds like A&M has their #1 man in sight. Hammer down, left lane.
"Here's the deal. You're either moving forward or you're stuck. We were stuck," the Texas A&M AD said Sunday. "And so I kind of used the analogy with somebody earlier. You know how you're driving down the highway, it's a four-lane road, and I drive fast, okay. I like 75-80, and somebody's in the left lane and they're going 55 and they won't move over. We were that car going 55. Something had to give. They had to get out of the way."
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 13, 2023, 01:25 PMSo fire him and enforce every bit of the offset language. Make him get a fucking job
Can't afford it.
We want to have the best women's facilities in the SEC!
For fucks sake, fire Pittman, pay his buyout, and go hire a young, smart, up and comer.
Who gives a shit about $16.1mm dollars. It isn't our money. Move the fuck on.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 13, 2023, 02:21 PMFor fucks sake, fire Pittman, pay his buyout, and go hire a young, smart, up and comer.
Who gives a shit about $16.1mm dollars. It isn't our money. Move the fuck on.
The TV payout for next year is supposed to go up by $20MM, or so I've read.
One year's found money will more than cover it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 13, 2023, 02:15 PMIt's a bit convoluted because why is Jimbo in a different car rather than his car? Anyway, it sounds like A&M has their #1 man in sight. Hammer down, left lane.
"Here's the deal. You're either moving forward or you're stuck. We were stuck," the Texas A&M AD said Sunday. "And so I kind of used the analogy with somebody earlier. You know how you're driving down the highway, it's a four-lane road, and I drive fast, okay. I like 75-80, and somebody's in the left lane and they're going 55 and they won't move over. We were that car going 55. Something had to give. They had to get out of the way."
Hate to say it, but the Aggie AD is right.
Moving forward or stuck.
Which one is Arkansas?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 13, 2023, 02:21 PMFor fucks sake, fire Pittman, pay his buyout, and go hire a young, smart, up and comer.
Who gives a shit about $16.1mm dollars. It isn't our money. Move the fuck on.
this. I personally get tired of people bitching about salaries and buyouts.
unless some on here are the ones the school calls when it's time to cough up, what the hell does it matter?
we have the 10th highest paid coach with the 12th highest buyout.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 02:30 PMHate to say it, but the Aggie AD is right.
Moving forward or stuck.
Which one is Arkansas?
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Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 13, 2023, 02:21 PMFor fucks sake, fire Pittman, pay his buyout, and go hire a young, smart, up and comer.
Who gives a shit about $16.1mm dollars. It isn't our money. Move the fuck on.
exactly I mean our program is making bank on fucking t shirts and jerseys for programs the university won't even pay for or give facilities to but by damn they'll profit off them
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 13, 2023, 02:36 PMthis. I personally get tired of people bitching about salaries and buyouts.
unless some on here are the ones the school calls when it's time to cough up, what the hell does it matter?
we have the 10th highest paid coach with the 12th highest buyout.
Because we're fans and it's a message board where people offer their uninformed opinions. No it's not my money.
Here's some line of thinking for everyone. Or maybe just some spin.
Suddenly we are competing with A&M and State...no huge deal but next season is looking more likely that we'll be competing with nobody out of the SEC west present day. Lane could be waiting on the Bama gig. That may be a couple years away. Brian Kelly probably isn't going anywhere. Freeze just got to Auburn and barring some dead hookers he will do fine there.
Out of the East I would anticipate the Florida and South Carolina jobs opening by the end of next season. Both the Kentucky and Missouri coaches could be desired either this season or next.
So really when it comes down to who are we competing against it's always a day late and a dollar short with this college.
The next hire will cost easily 9 million per year so there's that too to have to consider.
So maybe a little patience is gonna be the
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 02:30 PMHate to say it, but the Aggie AD is right.
Moving forward or stuck.
Which one is Arkansas?
Georgia fans complained about firing Richt, but it was the same reasoning. Look where they are now.
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 13, 2023, 01:19 PMChad and his $10 million. The absolute worst coach in NCAA football history got #10 million bucks to GTFO.
I went into the wrong profession.
Just looking at that makes me want to puke. What a POS.
Pays to be connected to Jerry's grandsons high school I see.
And a suck up to Gus too. And throw DeShaun Watson in there, why not?
I bet that ugly fucker has a hot wife too.
If $8 to $10 million is the market now with these huge buyouts, why doesn't some team tell a coach, "We'll pay you $12 million a year but no buyout if we fire you."
Something has to change and that seems like a possible answer. Pay a bit above market value but no buyout. Huge pay is what gives a coach incentive to take the job, and no buyout is what keeps him hungry. If he makes it three to five years, he is set forever.
These buyouts are like getting upside down on a car and having to trade it in. You're paying for the last car in addition to the new one and you just keep getting further behind every time you trade in. Do it enough and eventually you're only able afford an old junker from a "Buy here, pay here" lot downtown.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 03:36 PMIf $8 to $10 million is the market now with these huge buyouts, why doesn't some team tell a coach, "We'll pay you $12 million a year but no buyout if we fire you."
Something has to change and that seems like a possible answer. Pay a bit above market value but no buyout. Huge pay is what gives a coach incentive to take the job, and no buyout is what keeps him hungry. If he makes it three to five years, he is set forever.
These buyouts are like getting upside down on a car and having to trade it in. You're paying for the last car in addition to the new one and you just keep getting further behind every time you trade in. Do it enough and eventually you're only able afford an old junker from a "Buy here, pay here" lot downtown.
Jimmy Sexton
Saw a quote from Oregeron that summed it up nicely:
"They said, 'Coach, you've got $17.1 million on your contract. We're gonna give it to you.'
"I said, 'What time do you want me to leave and what door do you want me out of, brother?'
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 03:36 PMIf $8 to $10 million is the market now with these huge buyouts, why doesn't some team tell a coach, "We'll pay you $12 million a year but no buyout if we fire you."
Something has to change and that seems like a possible answer. Pay a bit above market value but no buyout. Huge pay is what gives a coach incentive to take the job, and no buyout is what keeps him hungry. If he makes it three to five years, he is set forever.
These buyouts are like getting upside down on a car and having to trade it in. You're paying for the last car in addition to the new one and you just keep getting further behind every time you trade in. Do it enough and eventually you're only able afford an old junker from a "Buy here, pay here" lot downtown.
You have to incur these kinds of cost to keep raising your prices - its the collegiate way.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 03:41 PMJimmy Sexton
I hope he trips and slides down a mountain side of rusty razor blades into a pool of rubbing alcohol, and can't swim.
It's also time for a student athletics fee. $100 per semester, a negligible amount in today's world and nothing in comparison to books and tuition, would be an extra $6 million per year in revenue for 30,000 students. Put that money towards coaching salaries.
Quote from: red death on Nov 13, 2023, 03:30 PMPays to be connected to Jerry's grandsons high school I see.
And a suck up to Gus too. And throw DeShaun Watson in there, why not?
I bet that ugly fucker has a hot wife too.
No one from Arkansas has really seen her.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 03:36 PMIf $8 to $10 million is the market now with these huge buyouts, why doesn't some team tell a coach, "We'll pay you $12 million a year but no buyout if we fire you."
Something has to change and that seems like a possible answer. Pay a bit above market value but no buyout. Huge pay is what gives a coach incentive to take the job, and no buyout is what keeps him hungry. If he makes it three to five years, he is set forever.
These buyouts are like getting upside down on a car and having to trade it in. You're paying for the last car in addition to the new one and you just keep getting further behind every time you trade in. Do it enough and eventually you're only able afford an old junker from a "Buy here, pay here" lot downtown.
That's not the market and the only folks that would agree is some doofus that isn't worth $8m.
We're not competing with A&M. That might be Urban. If we want to change we gotta move.
Quote from: animal on Nov 13, 2023, 03:00 PMBecause we're fans and it's a message board where people offer their uninformed opinions. No it's not my money.
Here's some line of thinking for everyone. Or maybe just some spin.
Suddenly we are competing with A&M and State...no huge deal but next season is looking more likely that we'll be competing with nobody out of the SEC west present day. Lane could be waiting on the Bama gig. That may be a couple years away. Brian Kelly probably isn't going anywhere. Freeze just got to Auburn and barring some dead hookers he will do fine there.
Out of the East I would anticipate the Florida and South Carolina jobs opening by the end of next season. Both the Kentucky and Missouri coaches could be desired either this season or next.
So really when it comes down to who are we competing against it's always a day late and a dollar short with this college.
The next hire will cost easily 9 million per year so there's that too to have to consider.
So maybe a little patience is gonna be the
If you wait we're have issues that increase geometrically. If Sam is on the hot seat, he cannot hire a decent OC or line coach. We will have more decommits, and a wave will hit the exit portal.
Time to cut bait and move on.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 13, 2023, 05:26 PMThat's not the market and the only folks that would agree is some doofus that isn't worth $8m.
We're not competing with A&M. That might be Urban. If we want to change we gotta move.
It is the market. Ole Miss is paying Kiffen $9 million plus a year.
Somebody needs to convince the Waltons that Arkansas football is the wokest thing they can invest their sofa cushion money in.
Quote from: cchog on Nov 13, 2023, 01:19 PM:maundoed:
Your boy built a house. Don't short change me!
Quote from: Hognrock on Nov 13, 2023, 03:44 PMI hope he trips and slides down a mountain side of rusty razor blades into a pool of rubbing alcohol, and can't swim.
Not painful enough.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 05:33 PMIt is the market. Ole Miss is paying Kiffen $9 million plus a year.
Your idea to kill the buyout to overpay a coach. No one would accept that. Effectively a coach is on a one year deal.
Did Lashlee and Gus have a major falling out a few years back, or am I misremembering?
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 13, 2023, 07:22 PMYour idea to kill the buyout to overpay a coach. No one would accept that. Effectively a coach is on a one year deal.
That's why you pay them more.
Jamey Chadwell is the guy to hire. Dude wins and has won games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamey_Chadwell
Seriously what quality OC or position coachis gonna sign up for a tour on the sinking USS Pittman ?
If we're going with someone from a non P5 school, then Chadwell would be a the top of my list. Traylor would be a great choice, too. This team has quit on Fat Tire Fail, you can't repair that.
The only sure thing is the they will make the wrong decision when it comes to the football coach.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 03:48 PMIt's also time for a student athletics fee. $100 per semester, a negligible amount in today's world and nothing in comparison to books and tuition, would be an extra $6 million per year in revenue for 30,000 students. Put that money towards coaching salaries.
If you charge all 30,000, yes. But they wouldn't be able to get away with that. Only the ones that opt in, and that wouldn't be more that 5-7k I'd bet. Wouldn't be worth the uproar.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 13, 2023, 09:29 PMIf you charge all 30,000, yes. But they wouldn't be able to get away with that. Only the ones that opt in, and that wouldn't be more that 5-7k I'd bet. Wouldn't be worth the uproar.
Why do they have to opt in? Make it mandatory.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 13, 2023, 07:22 PMYour idea to kill the buyout to overpay a coach. No one would accept that. Effectively a coach is on a one year deal.
That why I suggested (in the elephant thread) my 5 year performance driven, rolling contract, no buy out.
Pay them up front and if they putout, then they get to stay. In my mind it ain't rocket science.
**course I ain't no rocket scientist either**
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 09:32 PMWhy do they have to opt in? Make it mandatory.
Because there would be thousands that object to a mandatory charge for athletics, if for no other reason than there never has been one. Believe me, they would have already done it if they thought they could get away with it.
Have we become ASU already? Student activity fees. Get outa here with that BS. That's what the poors of college athletics do.
the buyouts protect both the coach and the school.
get a good coach and there's always someone who will pay a higher salary, so the no buyout bites you in the ass.
it only becomes an issue when the wrong coach was hired or he flames out.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 03:48 PMIt's also time for a student athletics fee. $100 per semester, a negligible amount in today's world and nothing in comparison to books and tuition, would be an extra $6 million per year in revenue for 30,000 students. Put that money towards coaching salaries.
Fees are already over 20% of the subtotal for undergrads.
Maybe instead of KJ getting 5 sets of new Nikes per semester he only gets 4.
OR.....we continue to give KJ 5 sets of Nikes, DONT charge that engineering student another $100/semester, and instead just pay the fucking money.
Stop it with this shit of me having to pay more for a better product, without me ever seeing the better product. Want more money? Go win some football games, then the money will come. Stop paying these shitheads 10-15 million to go away. Start THAT by not jizzing all over ourselves anytime a coach comes in here and wins 9 games and giving him a golden parachute to get fat and lazy.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 13, 2023, 09:38 PMthe buyouts protect both the coach and the school.
get a good coach and there's always someone who will pay a higher salary, so the no buyout bites you in the ass.
it only becomes an issue when the wrong coach was hired or he flames out.
Which begs the BIG fucking question...When was the last time someone legitimately plucked a head coach from Arkansas?
Holtz to ND? Maybe, but you could argue that was a messy divorce and Holtz wasnt staying regardless of money. Hatfield? Same thing...wanted out from under JFB. HDN on the plane to Nebraska was a ploy, same with Beilema to the Broncos. So, never?
Meanwhile we've been paying coaches tons of cash to stick around, who no one was really coming after. So I doubt a $100/semester FEE is going to fix our piss poor negotiators on the Hill.
Keep the buyout small. If he comes in and wins a lot, pay him per win, then worry about restructuring the buyout once they come calling. And not just after one (9) win season. Make the salary win heavy, and build the buyout up over time.
Quote from: TC on Nov 13, 2023, 10:02 PMWhich begs the BIG fucking question...When was the last time someone legitimately plucked a head coach from Arkansas?
Holtz to ND? Maybe, but you could argue that was a messy divorce and Holtz wasnt staying regardless of money. Hatfield? Same thing...wanted out from under JFB. HDN on the plane to Nebraska was a ploy, same with Beilema to the Broncos. So, never?
Meanwhile we've been paying coaches tons of cash to stick around, who no one was really coming after. So I doubt a $100/semester FEE is going to fix our piss poor negotiators on the Hill.
Keep the buyout small. If he comes in and wins a lot, pay him per win, then worry about restructuring the buyout once they come calling. And not just after one (9) win season. Make the salary win heavy, and build the buyout up over time.
Also, put in there, that beating Texass doesn't account for anything.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 13, 2023, 10:05 PMAlso, put in there, that beating Texass doesn't account for anything.
Also, put in there, we're gonna get you a real boat, on a real lake.
A Bennington QX30 with twin 300's on Ouchita should do.
No more of this silly, cheap, sunfisher stuff on one of the worst lakes in the state.
Quote from: TC on Nov 13, 2023, 10:02 PMWhich begs the BIG fucking question...When was the last time someone legitimately plucked a head coach from Arkansas?
Holtz to ND? Maybe, but you could argue that was a messy divorce and Holtz wasnt staying regardless of money. Hatfield? Same thing...wanted out from under JFB. HDN on the plane to Nebraska was a ploy, same with Beilema to the Broncos. So, never?
Meanwhile we've been paying coaches tons of cash to stick around, who no one was really coming after. So I doubt a $100/semester FEE is going to fix our piss poor negotiators on the Hill.
Keep the buyout small. If he comes in and wins a lot, pay him per win, then worry about restructuring the buyout once they come calling. And not just after one (9) win season. Make the salary win heavy, and build the buyout up over time.
Holtz didn't leave for ND. He was told to shut the hell up about politics and stick to football or leave. He left for Minnesota.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Nov 14, 2023, 12:21 AMHoltz didn't leave for ND. He was told to shut the hell up about politics and stick to football or leave. He left for Minnesota.
He left because he was burned out. A week later, he found new energy, and went to Minnesota.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 13, 2023, 08:06 PMSeriously what quality OC or position coachis gonna sign up for a tour on the sinking USS Pittman ?
Money aside (which is debatable), there's zero reason to bring back Pittman. Zero. Zilch.
It has almost no upside while having
profound downside - fan apathy, significantly decreased attendance, reduction in donations, no coordinator worth a shit will want to come work for a lame duck coach, decent players won't want to come play for a lame duck coach, etc.
I just can't understand Yurachek's rationale for not making a move this week. And spare me the money excuse because we made $50 million (https://sports.yahoo.com/sec-announces-721m-in-revenue-for-2021-22-distributing-nearly-50m-per-school-175737883.html) last year in TV revenue and Morris is off our books this month.
Saw this on my morning Twitter scroll
https://x.com/mikeirwinptn/status/1724126406907486484?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 14, 2023, 05:28 AMSaw this on my morning Twitter scroll
https://x.com/mikeirwinptn/status/1724126406907486484?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
"People who are in a position to know."
Bro what even...
Anonymous booster's butler
Quote from: Feral on Nov 14, 2023, 05:34 AM"People who are in a position to know."
Bro what even...
humble brag or at least meant to be but in reality that guy is a clueless as they come.
It may come down to money and it may just come down to a lot of people just really like Sam and feel like this season was a clusterfuck that can be unclustered (but it can't be)
Unless he goes home on his own, and I guess that is increasingly unlikely, they're going to have to oay him one way or the other. They'll pay him his salary and then a somewhat decreased buyout if he is fired next year, or they'll pay a bigger buyout if they fire him now. I think the difference is only something like $5 million which if course, can be spread out. The main difference is that they could put off paying for a new coach and staff, which would be at least $10 million for another year.
There is some serious knob slobbing on the gay board, as if they don't remember "I was right, but things changed."
QuoteLOTS going on behind the scenes!
Porkatarian out...
Quote from: animal on Nov 14, 2023, 06:04 AMhumble brag or at least meant to be but in reality that guy is a clueless as they come.
It may come down to money and it may just come down to a lot of people just really like Sam and feel like this season was a clusterfuck that can be unclustered (but it can't be)
Maybe clueless, maybe not. There are people who probably do know what is going on. Remember, as I have pointed out before, Yurachek has been silent, almost eerily so. That tells me he is making some calls to some of those people. For instance, I will bet John Tyson is one of them, and he has always been reported to be a big Gus supporter.
So what Irwin says is logical. Maybe even true.
I guess he's staying. I guess we are the poors.
Mississippi St beat us and fired their coach before 1 season. That's gangster.
We keep our guy who lost to both coaches our rivals fired. There's no way to spin it anymore after we keep Pittman. Our donors don't want a good program.
It's not even on Yurachek. We don't have the money guys.
Sad.
Quote from: TC on Nov 13, 2023, 10:02 PMWhich begs the BIG fucking question...When was the last time someone legitimately plucked a head coach from Arkansas?
yup, if he leaves/walks so be it. that means the program is winning and having success and quality candidates will want the job.
the better job is either a blue blood or the pros so everyone wins.
but while everyone is up in arms over Sam, It would seem no one wants to pony up what it would take to get rid of him. Why keep throwing money down the football hole when you can invest in a winner like basketball or baseball? Rich people don't stay rich because they are foolish with their money.
I was shocked no one walked up to Hunter in the stands at BWA last night and told him that Sam had to go. Everyone is now focused on hoops.
I thought this was just a natural progression up the red palette.
We're just waiting on Alabama to make the next move.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 07:32 AMMaybe clueless, maybe not. There are people who probably do know what is going on. Remember, as I have pointed out before, Yurachek has been silent, almost eerily so. That tells me he is making some calls to some of those people. For instance, I will bet John Tyson is one of them, and he has always been reported to be a big Gus supporter.
So what Irwin says is logical. Maybe even true.
I would imagine HY or others have been green lit to put out some feelers. I don't want Gus and think it would be foolish to even pursue him. We could do a lot worse but our offenses would be a crappy version of his Auburn offenses.
Jeff Traylor.
Yurachek is working behind closed doors. At the end of the season Sam will retire and give a heartfelt speech that seems sincere and probably is. A few days later Yurachek will announce our new coach.
Quote from: Loma on Nov 14, 2023, 08:02 AMJeff Traylor.
Agree
Quote from: CardHog on Nov 14, 2023, 08:03 AMYurachek is working behind closed doors. At the end of the season Sam will retire and give a heartfelt speech that seems sincere and probably is. A few days later Yurachek will announce our new coach.
Makes sense, especially after Mizzou skullfucks us.
Quote from: CardHog on Nov 14, 2023, 08:03 AMYurachek is working behind closed doors. At the end of the season Sam will retire and give a heartfelt speech that seems sincere and probably is. A few days later Yurachek will announce our new coach.
Few have learned, this is how Hunter works. It's also the professional way.
Just a thought but it could explain all the furor about Sam getting fired/retiring that broke on Sunday. It could be that a decision was made to move on from Sam and he had been told he was being fired, and instead he agreed to leave at the end of the year on his own terms.
If this is the case, we might get a surprise effort against Mizzou like we had with Nutt and LSU when he knew he was gone already.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 14, 2023, 08:11 AMFew have learned, this is how Hunter works. It's also the professional way.
No! We must know every single detail of how the sausage is made, in real time! Even the fans who never attend a game, only watch on their uncle's stolen ESPN login, and only Razorback "investment" is the cap they got out of the 2 for $5 bin at Love's in Clarksville.
Also LOL at Irwin being "in the know." He's a mushroom.
Want proof? He's still selling the lie that Julie Cromer Peoples was allowed to make the decision to hire Chad Morris.
Absolutely not to Traylor.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 14, 2023, 08:20 AMHe's a mushroom.
As a lover of that movie, I enjoyed this reference and it's apropos. Well done.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 13, 2023, 07:28 PMThat's why you pay them more.
The math doesn't work. Not only will no coach do it, but neither will any decent assistants. Plus the buyout is intended to also protect the school because a suitor has to pay the buyout. That's what will keep some of the big names from going to A&M. They work both ways.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 14, 2023, 08:35 AMThe math doesn't work. Not only will no coach do it, but neither will any decent assistants. Plus the buyout is intended to also protect the school because a suitor has to pay the buyout. That's what will keep some of the big names from going to A&M. They work both ways.
I don't think Jimbo would have owed Aggy a buyout if he had left for another job. That's a big part of what made it such a dumbass deal.
Sometimes you fuck the sheep. Sometimes the sheep fucks you.
I'll say this...how HY transitioned from Anderson to Muss was masterclass. It was poised, forward thinking, and professional. Muss loves it here and he is loved here.
So, hope that's what we can expect this time around, and hopefully HY has more options than in 2019.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 14, 2023, 08:35 AMThe math doesn't work. Not only will no coach do it, but neither will any decent assistants. Plus the buyout is intended to also protect the school because a suitor has to pay the buyout. That's what will keep some of the big names from going to A&M. They work both ways.
Buyouts don't have to be mutual and they usually aren't mirrored. That is to say that the coach doesn't owe the same amount if he leaves as he would be owed if fired. Assistants can have different contracts with guaranteed amounts.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 14, 2023, 08:23 AMAbsolutely not to Traylor.
Sounds like a helluva guy
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 14, 2023, 08:23 AMAbsolutely not to Traylor.
I know I shouldn't... why?
WTF? Isn't he on the hot seat and having a terrible year?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-shane-beamer-listed-on-mississippi-state-hot-board-for-hc-position/ar-AA1jRpOU?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=dc6283f897814b83a6e0acca7710f4aa&ei=19
Oh.
This is simply Beamer's agent, Jimmy Sexton, doing his job of leaking Beamer's name out to other media members, trying to conjure up some kind of raise or extension from South Carolina Athletics Director Ray Tanner and the board of trustees.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 14, 2023, 09:04 AMI know I shouldn't... why?
He's probably a POS for some reason
Honestly, I don't see how Sexton ethically represents so many clients. They have competing interests. He has clients vying for the same job. He has clients getting fired with another the getting the job.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 14, 2023, 09:22 AMChaggie 2.0
Traylor has yet to have a season as poor as the dipshit's best season at SMU. And he's done so at a much tougher job.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 14, 2023, 09:22 AMChaggie 2.0
At least his wife knows where Fayetteville is
And Traylor is revered in East Texas high school ranks-- prime recruiting areas.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 14, 2023, 09:24 AMTraylor has yet to have a season as poor as the dipshit's best season at SMU. And he's done so at a much tougher job.
Morris in 3 seasons at SMU, 14-22 (38.8%). Jeff Traylor at UTSA, 37-13 (74%) with losses this year to Houston, Army, and Tennessee.
There are people in Texas saying Traylor would be a great fit at Aggy based on his coaching record, recruiting, and solid relationships with practically every high school coach in the state. Only gripe I would have about him is the Chaggy Stank may yet linger from their time working together at SMU and Arkansas.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 14, 2023, 09:36 AMMorris in 3 seasons at SMU, 14-22 (38.8%). Jeff Traylor at UTSA, 37-13 (74%) with losses this year to Houston, Army, and Tennessee.
There are people in Texas saying Traylor would be a great fit at Aggy based on his coaching record, recruiting, and solid relationships with practically every high school coach in the state. Only gripe I would have about him is the Chaggy Stank may yet linger from their time working together at SMU and Arkansas.
There is probably one coach on every shitty staff that could be a good head coach in his own right.
I'd trust his record over his time working for a moron.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 14, 2023, 09:37 AMThere is probably one coach on every shitty staff that could be a good head coach in his own right.
I'd trust his record over his time working for a moron.
Putting time in under a moron may serve as a primer on what not to do.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 14, 2023, 09:37 AMThere is probably one coach on every shitty staff that could be a good head coach in his own right.
I'd trust his record over his time working for a moron.
It's not fair to compare "at anywhere else" to "at Arkansas".
Quote from: egregious on Nov 14, 2023, 09:39 AMPutting time in under a moron may serve as a primer on what not to do.
It works that way for smart people.
On the other hand, he did work for Morris at both SMU and Arkansas. Which means he chose to keep working with him after getting a close up look at the incompetence.
Traylor would have me about as excited as an ass cancer diagnosis.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 14, 2023, 09:48 AMTraylor would have me about as excited as an ass cancer diagnosis.
So you would enjoy the process just not the results?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 14, 2023, 08:39 AMI don't think Jimbo would have owed Aggy a buyout if he had left for another job. That's a big part of what made it such a dumbass deal.
Sometimes you fuck the sheep. Sometimes the sheep fucks you.
The Jimbo contract is an outlier of total stupidity. 10 years. No mitigation. Full buyout. Comes from their arrogance and stupidity. "We gotta do it for Old Army! After Jimbo wins us that second ring e urine will want to hire him away!"
Generally the buyout should be a 2-3 year exposure.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 14, 2023, 10:09 AMThe Jimbo contract is an outlier of total stupidity. 10 years. No mitigation. Full buyout. Comes from their arrogance and stupidity. "We gotta do it for Old Army! After Jimbo wins us that second ring e urine will want to hire him away!"
Generally the buyout should be a 2-3 year exposure.
Aggies continually fight an inferiority complex to Longhorns. This contract was their way to be first at something.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 14, 2023, 09:48 AMTraylor would have me about as excited as an ass cancer diagnosis.
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the board would be excited about both prospects.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Nov 14, 2023, 10:42 AMI'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the board would be excited about both prospects.
Yeah, since they are mostly pretty scummy folks.
I don't know where else to say this, so I'm going to say it here. WTF is this shit? This is absolutely hilarious to me.
https://x.com/TreyBiddy/status/1724460934620725515?s=20
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 14, 2023, 12:29 PMI don't know where else to say this, so I'm going to say it here. WTF is this shit? This is absolutely hilarious to me.
Weird, must be personal. I just made an account and walked straight in.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 14, 2023, 12:35 PMhttps://x.com/TreyBiddy/status/1724460934620725515?s=20
jesus he can't even take constructive criticism on Twitter...it's gonna be a rough life for him now. I guess if we lose Saturday and to Mizzou we still won't fire his ass? Welcome to mediocrity. Maybe he will have a heart attack and help us all out
I plan on getting my dick sucked each night but shucks it just doesn't work out.
I do think the bar is fairly low...win FIU lose to Mizz and he's safe somehow. Lose both and Shirley they can do better.
Quote from: animal on Nov 14, 2023, 12:57 PMI plan on getting my dick sucked each night but shucks it just doesn't work out.
I do think the bar is fairly low...win FIU lose to Mizz and he's safe somehow. Lose both and Shirley they can do better.
well hope you get your dick sucked of anything.
Adam Ford, I think he is the guy that does FayetteVillians, did an interesting analysis on coach success (SP+) compared to their talent expectations. It's posted under @adamford92 on twitter. I suck at the Woopig and the internet so I can't post it, but his numbers make Chadwell look really impressive. Those numbers are also respectful for Odom, Kinne and Elko.
I have no idea how effective the numbers are to expected performance but it is an interesting look. Success beyond our talent level should be our determining factor when hiring a football coach.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 14, 2023, 12:29 PMI don't know where else to say this, so I'm going to say it here. WTF is this shit? This is absolutely hilarious to me.
are you a member of the rant already? everyone gets into that by just signing up.
the team boards you ask for an invite. it usually takes a day or two because i think they only have one mod on the hog board.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 14, 2023, 01:29 PMare you a member of the rant already? everyone gets into that by just signing up.
the team boards you ask for an invite. it usually takes a day or two because i think they only have one mod on the hog board.
why in the fuck are you bitches cheating on the woopig. You need to be scolded
Quote from: animal on Nov 14, 2023, 12:57 PMI do think the bar is fairly low...win FIU lose to Mizz and he's safe somehow. Lose both and Shirley they can do better.
I tend to agree. As long as he beats FIU and doesn't get embarrassed by Mizzou, Pittman will be here next season.
Quote from: no clever name on Nov 14, 2023, 01:16 PMAdam Ford, I think he is the guy that does FayetteVillians, did an interesting analysis on coach success (SP+) compared to their talent expectations. It's posted under @adamford92 on twitter. I suck at the Woopig and the internet so I can't post it, but his numbers make Chadwell look really impressive. Those numbers are also respectful for Odom, Kinne and Elko.
I have no idea how effective the numbers are to expected performance but it is an interesting look. Success beyond our talent level should be our determining factor when hiring a football coach.
This is intriguing. Hopefully somebody that doesn't suck at this can help post it for further investigation.
I believe our propensity to get blown out by Mizzou is quite strong.
If Sam is telling recruits he's going to be here for years, he should be fired for cause for trying to destroy our program.
No recruit is going to come play for him. He shouldn't be allowed to drive them away like that!
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 14, 2023, 01:55 PMThis is intriguing. Hopefully somebody that doesn't suck at this can help post it for further investigation.
I saw it but didn't understand it so didn't post it. I'll find it.
We're getting embarrassed by Mizzou. Nerd boy is literally jizzing in his pants right now thinking about what he is going to do to Pittman's Hogs. I don't think 70 points is out of the question if our defense lays down like it did Saturday. We know the offense won't take any pressure off of them. Once Mizzou scores twice, there will be a whole lot of quit. And Drink will not call off the dogs because he lives to humiliate us and Mizzou will be trying to make a statement.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 14, 2023, 01:55 PMThis is intriguing. Hopefully somebody that doesn't suck at this can help post it for further investigation.
https://twitter.com/AdamFord92/status/1724126538084266463
Can't believe that worked. Well it worked in the preview.
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1724126538084266463?
Quote from: BASS on Nov 14, 2023, 01:55 PMI believe our propensity to get blown out by Mizzou is quite strong.
there is no way we win that game. Wtf
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 14, 2023, 02:09 PMthere is no way we win that game. Wtf
Pretty sure you and I are on the same page.
This Ford guy knows his stuff more often than not. Not the first time I've heard/seen good things about chadwell. Get him on the phone.
Odom is +4 because he is a good coach but terrible recruiter. Kiffin is really impressive because he is a great recruiter who still manages to outperform his rankings.
Could someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton? I don't understand what he is saying at all.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 02:52 PMCould someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton? I don't understand what he is saying at all.
- = HIV negative
+= positive for the clap
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 02:52 PMCould someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton? I don't understand what he is saying at all.
+ means you do more with the talent you have
- means you underperform despite your talent level
Pittman brings in okay talent but doesn't get the most out of them, versus someone like Kiffin who brings in good talent and maximizes them, or someone like Odom who doesn't bring in good talent, but gets every drop he can out of what he has.
Pittman is doing less with less.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 02:52 PMCould someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton? I don't understand what he is saying at all.
It is a measure against recruiting rankings. If a coach is + it means he is exceeding his rankings. If he is - it means he is performing worse than his rankings say he should.
Most SEC coaches are on the minus side because they recruit so well. So, Kiffin is really impressive because he recruits really well and exceeds what his rankings say he should. Odom with his +4 looks impressive too, but the you remember his records were usually in the 7-5 range and his reputation is as a guy who hates to recruit. So that tells you his recruiting was atrocious but his coaching was great to get them to that 7 win area.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 14, 2023, 02:57 PM+ means you do more with the talent you have
- means you underperform despite your talent level
Pittman brings in okay talent but doesn't get the most out of them, versus someone like Kiffin who brings in good talent and maximizes them, or someone like Odom who doesn't bring in good talent, but gets every drop he can out of what he has.
Pittman is doing less with less.
Where are all the +s then? He only listed a couple and with a small number.
Like W/L shouldn't it balance out to -0- if you include all coaches?
Saw an interesting suggestion for A&M. Dabo Swinney.
He has shown in the past he has the ability to operate a program at the NC level.
Been down recently so Clemson may be tiring of him, and he of them. But he's still young-ish as coaches go.
And he's the perfect kind of cornpone white guy to fit into A&M culture.
I personally like talking about who is the next big-time coaching hire (whether it is here or elsewhere). Who has the most potential? Who is just a retread at this point? Or who just needs to be given a chance? From what I've seen these are some of the names being thrown around. If you've got any other names, let's see them.
G. J. Kinne - Age 34
Year School Overall Conference
2022 Incarnate Word 12–2 5–1
2023 Texas State 6–4 3–3
Rhett Lashlee - Age 40
2022 SMU 7–6 5–3
2023 SMU 8-2 6-0
Jon Sumrall - Age 41
2022 Troy 12–2 7–1
2023 Troy 8–2 5–1
Jonathan Smith - Age 44
2018 Oregon State 2–10 1–8
2019 Oregon State 5–7 4–5
2020 Oregon State 2–5 2–5
2021 Oregon State 7–6 5–4
2022 Oregon State 10–3 6–3
2023 Oregon State 8–2 5–2
Mike Elko - Age 46
2022 Duke 9–4 5–3
2023 Duke 6–4 3–3
Jamey Chadwell - Age 46
2009 North Greenville 2–8
2010 North Greenville 9–3
2011 North Greenville 11–3
2012 Delta State 3–7 1–4
2013 Charleston Southern 10–3 3–2
2014 Charleston Southern 8–4 3–2
2015 Charleston Southern 10–3 6–0
2016 Charleston Southern 7–4 4–1
2017 Coastal Carolina 3–9†2–6
2019 Coastal Carolina 5–7 2–6
2020 Coastal Carolina 11–1 8–0
2021 Coastal Carolina 11–2 6–2
2022 Coastal Carolina 9–3 6–2
2023 Liberty 9–0 7–0
Barry Odom - Age 46
2016 Missouri 0*–8 0*–6
2017 Missouri 7–6 4–4
2018 Missouri 8–5 4–4
2019 Missouri 6–6 3–5
2023 UNLV 8–2 5–1
Tom Herman - Age 48
2015 Houston 13–1 7–1
2016 Houston 9–3 5–3
2017 Texas 7–6 5–4
2018 Texas 10–4 7–2
2019 Texas 8–5 5–4
2020 Texas 7–3 5–3
2023 Florida Atlantic 4–5 3–2
Jeff Traylor - Age 55
2020 UTSA 7–5 5–2
2021 UTSA 12–2 7–1
2022 UTSA 11–3 8–0
2023 UTSA 7–3 6–0
Deion Sanders - Age 56
2020 Jackson State 4–3 3–2
2021 Jackson State 11–2 8–0
2022 Jackson State 12–1 8–0
2023 Colorado 4–6 1–6
Chris Klieman - Age 56
2014 North Dakota State 15–1 7–1
2015 North Dakota State 13–2 7–1
2016 North Dakota State 12–2 7–1
2017 North Dakota State 14–1 7–1
2018 North Dakota State 15–0 8–0
2019 Kansas State 8–5 5–4
2020 Kansas State 4–6 4–5
2021 Kansas State 8–5 4–5
2022 Kansas State 10–4 7–2
2023 Kansas State 7–3 5–2
Gus Malzahn - Age 58
2012 Arkansas State 9–3 7–1
2013 Auburn 12–2 7–1
2014 Auburn 8–5 4–4
2015 Auburn 7–6 2–6
2016 Auburn 8–5 5–3
2017 Auburn 10–4 7–1
2018 Auburn 8–5 3–5
2019 Auburn 9–4 5–3
2020 Auburn 6–4 6–4
2021 UCF 9–4 5–3
2022 UCF 9–5 6–2
2023 UCF 5–5 2–5
Lance Leipold - Age 59
2007 Wisconsin–Whitewater 14–1 7–0
2008 Wisconsin–Whitewater 13–2 6–1
2009 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0
2010 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0
2011 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0
2012 Wisconsin–Whitewater 7–3 5–2
2013 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0
2014 Wisconsin–Whitewater 15–0 7–0
2015 Buffalo 5–7 3–5
2016 Buffalo 2–10 1–7
2017 Buffalo 6–6 4–4
2018 Buffalo 10–4 7–1
2019 Buffalo 8–5 5–3
2020 Buffalo 6–1 5–0
2021 Kansas 2–10 1–8
2022 Kansas 6–7 3–6
2023 Kansas 7–3 4–3
Willie Fritz - Age 63
1997 Central Missouri 5–6 4–5
1998 Central Missouri 8–3 6–3
1999 Central Missouri 7–4 5–4
2000 Central Missouri 7–4 5–4
2001 Central Missouri 10–2 7–2
2002 Central Missouri 10–2 8–1
2003 Central Missouri 9–2 7–2
2004 Central Missouri 7–4 5–4
2005 Central Missouri 7–3 5–3
2006 Central Missouri 5–6 3–6
2007 Central Missouri 7–4 6–3
2008 Central Missouri 7–4 5–4
2009 Central Missouri 8–3 6–3
2010 Sam Houston State 6–5 4–3
2011 Sam Houston State 14–1 7–0
2012 Sam Houston State 11–4 6–1
2013 Sam Houston State 9–5 4–3
2014 Georgia Southern 9–3 8–0
2015 Georgia Southern 8–4 6–2
2016 Tulane 4–8 1–7
2017 Tulane 5–7 3–5
2018 Tulane 7–6 5–3
2019 Tulane 7–6 3–5
2020 Tulane 6–6 3–5
2021 Tulane 2–10 1–7
2022 Tulane 12–2 7–1
2023 Tulane 9–1 6–0
Dabo is also the perfect coach to get Aggie to overpay on back to back coaches. >:D
I think Dabo is waiting for Nick Satan to retire.
Quote from: SOM on Nov 14, 2023, 03:05 PMI personally like talking about who is the next big-time coaching hire (whether it is here or elsewhere). Who has the most potential? Who is just a retread at this point? Or who just needs to be given a chance? From what I've seen these are some of the names being thrown around. If you've got any other names, let's see them.
Can we change domains again?
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Quote from: Lurk on Nov 14, 2023, 03:29 PMGood enough for me.
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There's a harbor freight joke in there too.
Something like "for when you're not sure you want to fully commit to that hobby"
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Quote from: egregious on Nov 14, 2023, 03:48 PMIf we can get the equivalent of Great Value Neapolitan Ice Cream Sandwiches we would be doing great.
Those dip bars are awesome too.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 14, 2023, 02:59 PMIt is a measure against recruiting rankings. If a coach is + it means he is exceeding his rankings. If he is - it means he is performing worse than his rankings say he should.
Most SEC coaches are on the minus side because they recruit so well. So, Kiffin is really impressive because he recruits really well and exceeds what his rankings say he should. Odom with his +4 looks impressive too, but the you remember his records were usually in the 7-5 range and his reputation is as a guy who hates to recruit. So that tells you his recruiting was atrocious but his coaching was great to get them to that 7 win area.
Kiffin is a good coach but he's been meh as a recruiter. His classes have finished below ours in three out of four years. Best class was 17th...others between 29-46.
Quote from: SOM on Nov 14, 2023, 03:05 PMI personally like talking about who is the next big-time coaching hire (whether it is here or elsewhere). Who has the most potential? Who is just a retread at this point? Or who just needs to be given a chance? From what I've seen these are some of the names being thrown around. If you've got any other names, let's see them.
G. J. Kinne - Age 34
Year School Overall Conference
2022 Incarnate Word 12–2 5–1
2023 Texas State 6–4 3–3
2016 Tulane 4–8 1–7
2017 Tulane 5–7 3–5
2018 Tulane 7–6 5–3
2019 Tulane 7–6 3–5
2020 Tulane 6–6 3–5
2021 Tulane 2–10 1–7
2022 Tulane 12–2 7–1
2023 Tulane 9–1 6–0
Jimmy Rogers - Age 34 or 35 (No shit, that's what Wiki says)
2023 SDSU 10-0 7-0
Now sources say UCLA may be planning to fire Chip Kelly
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 14, 2023, 05:09 PMKiffin is a good coach but he's been meh as a recruiter. His classes have finished below ours in three out of four years. Best class was 17th...others between 29-46.
Kiffin has a reputation of being strong at recruiting the transfer portal, not sure how true.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 14, 2023, 03:19 PMI think Dabo is waiting for Nick Satan to retire.
Maybe so, but Alabama won't hire him after the last few years.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 06:54 PMMaybe so, but Alabama won't hire him after the last few years.
Yeah, he can keep waiting but that ship has sailed.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 06:54 PMMaybe so, but Alabama won't hire him after the last few years.
Yeah they'll go for someone young and sharp.
Quote from: animal on Nov 14, 2023, 08:30 PMYeah they'll go for someone young and sharp.
Kiffin.
Quote from: CardHog on Nov 14, 2023, 05:22 PMJimmy Rogers - Age 34 or 35 (No shit, that's what Wiki says)
2023 SDSU 10-0 7-0
wonder if he yodels
Quote from: egregious on Nov 14, 2023, 08:53 PMwonder if he yodels
Polar Express, Jimmie Rogers, Waiting for a train
Gruden's red tie?
Apparently Chadwell had his location services on and was tagged in Starkville.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Nov 14, 2023, 09:15 PMApparently Chadwell had his location services on and was tagged in Starkville.
Photoshop.
someone asked Prime about the aTm job and he said "i'm good". I take it no one has asked Pittman.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Nov 14, 2023, 09:23 PMPhotoshop.
I went stupid for a minute. Should have double checked. Screen door time.
Not unexpected
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1724564675919016285?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 14, 2023, 03:02 PMSaw an interesting suggestion for A&M. Dabo Swinney.
He has shown in the past he has the ability to operate a program at the NC level.
Been down recently so Clemson may be tiring of him, and he of them. But he's still young-ish as coaches go.
And he's the perfect kind of cornpone white guy to fit into A&M culture.
And you know he's at least held one in his mouth.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 14, 2023, 08:46 PMKiffin.
Bingo. It's why he didn't go to Auburn last cycle, and why he isn't going to Aggy now.
You could tell from Kiffin's comments after getting ass rammed by Georgia that he knows he's reached the absolute ceiling at Ole Miss. And he's wanted the Alabama job since he was there working for Saban, if not longer.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 15, 2023, 08:03 AMBingo. It's why he didn't go to Auburn last cycle, and why he isn't going to Aggy now.
You could tell from Kiffin's comments after getting ass rammed by Georgia that he knows he's reached the absolute ceiling at Ole Miss. And he's wanted the Alabama job since he was there working for Saban, if not longer.
Kiffin to Bama would be great. He is a great coach, so I want him out of Ole Miss and I don't want him going somewhere else in the SEC and making another team better. On the other hand, the best he can do at Bama is maintain. So, that's good for us and everyone else too. He'll be good but he won't be Saban.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 15, 2023, 09:21 AMKiffin to Bama would be great. He is a great coach, so I want him out of Ole Miss and I don't want him going somewhere else in the SEC and making another team better. On the other hand, the best he can do at Bama is maintain. So, that's good for us and everyone else too. He'll be good but he won't be Saban.
Yeah, I don't like OM's odds of hitting on two good coaches in a row.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 15, 2023, 08:03 AMBingo. It's why he didn't go to Auburn last cycle, and why he isn't going to Aggy now.
You could tell from Kiffin's comments after getting ass rammed by Georgia that he knows he's reached the absolute ceiling at Ole Miss. And he's wanted the Alabama job since he was there working for Saban, if not longer.
I think Kiffin would love the Alabama job. But how long is he willing to wait?
If Saban doesn't retire in the next couple of years, I can see Kiffin moving on to another position-- I don't know, someplace like Clemson, which might choose to "retire" Dabo in a couple of more sub-par years, or Florida, or somewhere he believes is more glitzy than Oxford. Then it would be more difficult for him to change again on short notice. Besides, now that I think about it, Kiffin to Florida might be a damned good hire.
kiffin is being paid a grip of money. he can afford to be patient if alabama is the job he wants.
deal is, bama's going to hire whoever saban wants the torch passed to, and that might not be lane.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 15, 2023, 10:19 AMkiffin is being paid a grip of money. he can afford to be patient if alabama is the job he wants.
deal is, bama's going to hire whoever saban wants the torch passed to, and that might not be lane.
So you're saying Mrs. Terry will be the next Bama coach?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 15, 2023, 08:03 AMBingo. It's why he didn't go to Auburn last cycle, and why he isn't going to Aggy now.
You could tell from Kiffin's comments after getting ass rammed by Georgia that he knows he's reached the absolute ceiling at Ole Miss. And he's wanted the Alabama job since he was there working for Saban, if not longer.
With a flipped schedule, Kiffin could have 3 more losses this year. Ole Miss won at home by one TD or less against Arkansas, LSU and TAMU. They weren't beating Bama or Georgia regardless of location.
Quote from: wmr on Nov 15, 2023, 11:14 AMWith a flipped schedule, Kiffin could have 3 more losses this year. Ole Miss won at home by one TD or less against Arkansas, LSU and TAMU. They weren't beating Bama or Georgia regardless of location.
time to git while the gitting is good
Coaches usually have about a 4-year shelf life at any one place anyway.
Kiffin is 1-11 against the top 5,
heading into this year - https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/theres-troubling-lane-kiffin-stat-hell-have-to-squash-live-up-new-contract/
That's a 1-19 mark against Power 5 teams that went on to win at least 9 regular-season games (it's still 1-15 even if you want to take away the 4 Alabama games for some weird reason).
yea, he beats those worse than him but realy those better.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/secsuperconference/permalink/770760411547446/
Never thought about Venables being a candidate for TAMU
https://m.facebook.com/groups/secsuperconference/permalink/770760411547446/
Sorry, can't get it to embed but it shows Brent Venables as the favorite for the Aggies.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 14, 2023, 11:44 PMNot unexpected
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1724564675919016285?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Aren't they still paying off jim mora jr's buyout?
Coach's version of marry/fuck/kill: Pittman, Drinkwitz, Kiffen & Leach were all hired at the same time weren't they?
At that time, coach most likely to:
Die of a heart attack in office: Pittman (was actually Leach)
Be fired first: Drinkwitz (will probably be Pittman)
Move on to greener pastures first: Kiffen (might be Drinkwitz)
Still be at their school 5 years later: Pittman (will be either Drinkwitz or Kiffen or both)
Finebaum is pushing for Dabo to College Station. Doesn't seem like a good fit to me.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 16, 2023, 03:51 PMFinebaum is pushing for Dabo to College Station. Doesn't seem like a good fit to me.
Is it good or bad that I agree with Finebaum but not jdc?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 14, 2023, 03:02 PMSaw an interesting suggestion for A&M. Dabo Swinney.
He has shown in the past he has the ability to operate a program at the NC level.
Been down recently so Clemson may be tiring of him, and he of them. But he's still young-ish as coaches go.
And he's the perfect kind of cornpone white guy to fit into A&M culture.
Kind of an interesting article, that probably applies to Arkansas even more than A&M.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2023/11/16/texas-am-football-coach-georgia-comparison/71606212007/
Is don't see Dabo going there but his star is falling so it would be on par with A&M to do it
My guess is they opt for some young dude like a Chadwell or the guy at Kansas.
Quote from: animal on Nov 16, 2023, 04:16 PMIs don't see Dabo going there but his star is falling so it would be on par with A&M to do it
My guess is they opt for some young dude like a Chadwell or the guy at Kansas.
Aggie is going to try to go big. More than anyone else, they love trying to act like they have ten inch peckers...swinging them around in everybody's faces.
Dabo gets a new shot clock at A&M. Makes a lot of sense for him and just seems like something they would do.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 16, 2023, 04:00 PMIs it good or bad that I agree with Finebaum but not jdc?
Heck if I know. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place...
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Nov 16, 2023, 05:38 PMDabo gets a new shot clock at A&M. Makes a lot of sense for him and just seems like something they would do.
Dabo seems like the kind of coach that would flop trying to start over. He's rode the momentum for years but it's dying out and this is going to be it for him. He'll eventually end up somewhere else but he'll never reach the heights he had a few years ago
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 16, 2023, 05:32 PMAggie is going to try to go big. More than anyone else, they love trying to act like they have ten inch peckers...swinging them around in everybody's faces.
I agree with this. They will try to make a huge splash. Liepold may be a helluva coach, but he ain't that.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 16, 2023, 06:48 PMDabo seems like the kind of coach that would flop trying to start over. He's rode the momentum for years but it's dying out and this is going to be it for him. He'll eventually end up somewhere else but he'll never reach the heights he had a few years ago
Agreed
I doubt you could find a better match than Dabo for Aggy. He's hamstrung by NIL at broke ass Clemson. Aggy fixes that issue.
Dabo hates NIL. You could give him an unlimited money supply and he'd give you a lecture about Jesus running the traders out of the temple.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 16, 2023, 05:32 PMAggie is going to try to go big. More than anyone else, they love trying to act like they have ten inch peckers...swinging them around in everybody's faces.
Are you new around these here parts? Aggies prefer 10 inch peckers in their own faces.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 16, 2023, 07:09 PMDabo hates NIL. You could give him an unlimited money supply and he'd give you a lecture about Jesus running the traders out of the temple.
He hates it because Clemson can't compete when everybody is paying players.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2023, 08:44 PMHe hates it because Clemson can't compete when everybody is paying players.
I doubt that it is true they can't compete. They just haven't ponied up yet. I think they have the ability to do so.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2023, 08:44 PMHe hates it because Clemson can't compete when everybody is paying players.
Clemson can compete if they choose to. They were shelling out big bucks for players before Danny Ford got there.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 16, 2023, 09:43 PMClemson can compete if they choose to. They were shelling out big bucks for players before Danny Ford got there.
Not IPTAY it's now IPAMAY
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aTm gonna pay Kirby Smart $20 million per.
All my Aggy cousins want dabo. "He's Saban's hand picked successor!" Go for it.
Dabo, if you're reading this -
Aggie makes huge sense for you. Just remember though, that your path to greatness started when you had Chad Morris as your OC.
Take Chad with you.
Go get it, Dabo. Learn from a former ACC head coach. ATM will solve allllll your problems, your kids problems, and your kids' kids problems.
You have the power. You have it in your hands. Make the right choice.
But bring Chad Morris home with you.
Michigan fired LB coach Chris Partridge.
Jeremy Gelbwaks and Brian Forster wept...
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 17, 2023, 08:34 AMAll my Aggy cousins want dabo. "He's Saban's hand picked successor!" Go for it.
He's Jimbo part II.
So of course he's perfect for them.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 17, 2023, 01:04 PMGo get it, Dabo. Learn from a former ACC head coach. ATM will solve allllll your problems, your kids problems, and your kids' kids problems.
You have the power. You have it in your hands. Make the right choice.
But bring Chad Morris home with you.
Dynasty.
I like Dabo. He would win big there, too. They're a good coach away from being really stout the next two years. Lots of 4 and 5 star(now upperclassmen) talent waiting on a motivator. Dabo ran out of elite QBs at Clemson.
He's right about NIL too.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/metrotxk/permalink/6825972697478825/
Apparently Traylor is interviewing at Texas A&M. But I still believe they will try their best to hire a big name.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 17, 2023, 05:11 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/metrotxk/permalink/6825972697478825/
Apparently Traylor is interviewing at Texas A&M. But I still believe they will try their best to hire a big name.
I really hope they don't hire him.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 17, 2023, 05:32 PMI really hope they don't hire him.
We can't even beat the last 2 coaches they fired.
I don't see how it makes much difference.
The coach I want at Aggie: Biff Poggi. He's rich enough to pay his own buyout when they fire him.
The entertainment value would be awesomeness.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 17, 2023, 08:34 AMAll my Aggy cousins want dabo. "He's Saban's hand picked successor!" Go for it.
Dabo is following a very similar trajectory to Jimbo's at FSU.
Take over for a Bowden. Get program back to high level of success, including a National Championship (x2 in Dabo's case). After a few years the program starts to backslide, with coach being vocal about the school's need to commit more resources to football.
It would be the most Aggy thing ever for them to get a coach on the downslide of his career, just as they did with Fran, Sherman, and Jimbo.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 18, 2023, 01:42 AMThe coach I want at Aggie: Biff Poggi. He's rich enough to pay his own buyout when they fire him.
The entertainment value would be awesomeness.
Make like a tree and get outta here
So apparently last night, Yurachek told the players Pittman will be back next season.
I guess we will have to fire the AD to get a new coach.
Again....
Quote from: wmr on Nov 19, 2023, 10:34 AMSo apparently last night, Yurachek told the players Pittman will be back next season.
I guess we will have to fire the AD to get a new coach.
Again....
We'd probably hire a dipshit that wants to make a basketball coach change
Syracuse fires Babers
Quote from: wmr on Nov 19, 2023, 10:34 AMSo apparently last night, Yurachek told the players Pittman will be back next season.
I guess we will have to fire the AD to get a new coach.
Again....
Basically our AD is ok with Pittman's and the team's performance. One SEC win is good enough at Arkansas. This is all a big waste of fucking time.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1726647319947608074?
This guy is pretty smart.
I think A&M is reticent to hire Traylor. They really want another big name.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 20, 2023, 10:08 PMI think A&M is reticent to hire Traylor. They really want another big name.
their fans are for sure. for whatever the reason, they want no part of the guy.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 20, 2023, 10:20 PMtheir fans are for sure. for whatever the reason, they want no part of the guy.
Did Traylor used to have Corn Rows or something?
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 20, 2023, 10:34 PMDid Traylor used to have Corn Rows or something?
Probably straight and not into Beastiality.
Cornrows are ok.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 20, 2023, 10:08 PMI think A&M is reticent to hire Traylor. They really want another big name.
Good. Maybe he'll be available next year.
Michigan St has hired Oregon state's coach
Quote from: BASS on Nov 25, 2023, 12:58 PMMichigan St has hired Oregon state's coach
That appears to be a good hire. I wish we did those.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 25, 2023, 01:42 PMThat appears to be a good hire. I wish we did those.
Yep, he was on my list.
We seem to think good coaches will sit around and wait for us
smith wasn't leaving his alma mater for arkansas.
Well not with that attitude he wasn't
There are seriously fans wanting to fire Ryan Day. Has there ever been an athletic director's decision that would be more hilarious than that?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 05:05 PMThere are seriously fans wanting to fire Ryan Day. Has there ever been an athletic director's decision that would be more hilarious than that?
And the same national media that agrees with that will tell you Arkansas just needs to be patient with ol col beer.
Shades of Reggie Fish!
Jedd Fisch is fixing to go 9-3 in his 3rd year at Arizona...doing a heck of a job. I think he could probably wait on the Florida gig to open given that he's an alum.
wait? it's ok to hire a proven head coach as head coach?
Sounds like Miss St may be hiring Jeff Lebby
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 25, 2023, 08:33 PMSounds like Miss St may be hiring Jeff Lebby
wow - I wonder if Chadwell said no thanks.
He's the only one I'd hire but why leave Liberty to come to Fayetteville?
https://x.com/SEisbergWCIV/status/1728569216666656958?s=20
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 25, 2023, 08:33 PMSounds like Miss St may be hiring Jeff Lebby
Damn good hire for them if it happens.
He's one I wanted if we pulled the trigger on Pittman.
Yet again we're left holding our dicks.
Until Lebby rubs a program successfully he's just another offensive coach. If they want to try to keep up in the state with Ole Miss I think he's a good choice for them.
kentucky fans being told by their insiders that stoops could very well end up at aggie.
and apparently texags main guy is confirming that an offer has been made.
could be a bunch of bs, but what a strange hire if true.
That would be weird. Nothing about Stoops at Aggy concerns me.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 09:29 PMThat would be weird. Nothing about Stoops at Aggy concerns me.
I don't see Aggy having the decade of patience that Stoops requires to build his program right.
It is crazy but I could see Drinkwitz at aggies, he is goofy enough to embrace their weirdness and he's hit his ceiling at Missouri.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 25, 2023, 09:38 PMI don't see Aggy having the decade of patience that Stoops requires to build his program right.
This totally, but he is gonna get paid.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 25, 2023, 09:38 PMI don't see Aggy having the decade of patience that Stoops requires to build his program right.
they get the players. it's not like he would be starting from the ground up like he did at ky.
https://x.com/boardgeniuses/status/1728609995460411567?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
https://x.com/mbprivals/status/1728607361936298389?s=42&t=oNJ4LhPVLKVDKhabehaaZw
It's everywhere
They are not taking this well
https://texags.com/forums/5
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 25, 2023, 09:43 PMthey get the players. it's not like he would be starting from the ground up like he did at ky.
3rd offensive system in 3 years and it will take time to unwind Jimbo's mess.
there's a reason they don't win despite getting the players.
there was zero pressure to win in Lexington and that was probably the best gig in teh country for it.
wonder what the terms are?
maybe sam will go to Kentucky?
where does Bobby land?
Lebby bring Kendall with him to Starkvegas?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 09:53 PMhttps://x.com/boardgeniuses/status/1728609995460411567?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
you know every one of those idiots beat their chests and did those weird aggie things when they hired jimbo.
while i thinks stoops is a surprising choice, i don't think it's a bad one. the guy can coach and develop players. with all the nil money at kentucky going to basketball, i think he can do ok with the players aggie can buy.
"Those weird Aggie things" are what they call brojobs
https://x.com/BunkiePerkins/status/1728625440221262211?s=20
Is everyone sure they aren't talking about BOB Stoops to Aggieland?
Because that would make sense.
The more I read the more I like the idea of that hire
https://www.reddit.com/r/aggies/s/NXFpo8bW2Q
I hate to tell Aggie fan but they ARE a basketball school. Buzz Peterson is the best coach they have on campus and it isn't even close.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 10:08 PMThe more I read the more I like the idea of that hire
https://www.reddit.com/r/aggies/s/NXFpo8bW2Q
the melt will be glorious, but a good comment on that thread pointing out that stoops has more 10 win seasons than a&m has had during the same period.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 25, 2023, 10:11 PMI hate to tell Aggie fan but they ARE a basketball school. Buzz Peterson is the best coach they have on campus and it isn't even close.
You mean Buzz Williams.
Stoops is a solid hire. But Aggie wants a Saban or Kirby (who doesn't) and I don't think Stoops is that.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 25, 2023, 10:34 PMStoops is a solid hire. But Aggie wants a Saban or Kirby (who doesn't) and I don't think Stoops is that.
Right. "Aggies offer Bob Stoops 10 million/year" is on brand for them. "Aggies offer Mike Stoops 10 millipn/year" is not.
(I don't know if it'll be 10 a year, but he was already making 8.6 at UK)
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 25, 2023, 10:11 PMI hate to tell Aggie fan but they ARE a basketball school. Buzz Peterson is the best coach they have on campus and it isn't even close.
We had years of this. It wasn't very fun...
not sure why people think stoops isn't a big enough hire for aggie.
their three coaches before fisher were sumlin, mike sherman, and franchione. it's not like they have a history of stealing big time names from anyone.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 25, 2023, 10:30 PMYou mean Buzz Williams.
Yeah, got my Buzz wrong.
This feels like when Nebraska fired a perennial 8 win coach, then hired Mike Riley, which started them on a spiral they have yet to recover from.
aTm buddy is telling me Stoops is staying at KY.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 25, 2023, 10:02 PM3rd offensive system in 3 years and it will take time to unwind Jimbo's mess.
there's a reason they don't win despite getting the players.
there was zero pressure to win in Lexington and that was probably the best gig in teh country for it.
wonder what the terms are?
maybe sam will go to Kentucky?
where does Bobby land?
Lebby bring Kendall with him to Starkvegas?
Maybe Stoops keeps Petrino?
Cats and dogs lying with Lions and lambs.
I love that old Louisville and UK rivalry story with Bobby and Paul after they beat them.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 25, 2023, 10:40 PMMike Stoops
( he was already making 8.6 at UK)
We really are the Walmart of the football world.
Scratch that.
https://x.com/ukcoachstoops/status/1728655482317869099?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 25, 2023, 10:30 PMYou mean Buzz Williams.
Buzz Aldrin.
Buzz Lightyear.
Dabo to College Station.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 26, 2023, 04:54 AMBuzz Aldrin.
Buzz Lightyear.
Both likely better head football coaches than Sam Tittman.
Quote from: TC on Nov 26, 2023, 12:32 AMWe really are the Walmart of the football world.
No sir we are the Family Dollar/Dollar Store combo of the SEC.
Stoops may know he can just sit back and win his 7 or 8 games a year for the next 7 or 8 years and Kentucky will be just fine with that because they know their place.
Still that would have been interesting seeing him with A&M talent. I think these decisions become easier if/when we know how the divisions shake out or just go away.
Now texags has a rumor that Kyle Whittingham is next on Bjork's list. They had dreams of Urban, or Ryan Day, or even Dabo, and the morning begins with news that Stoops turned them down. This is great. Think I'm going to make an account there to suggest they hire Sumlin back at 60% of what they had Jimbo for (shit, did I already use that one).
Meanwhile, players want their interim to become the head coach. That's always worked out well for us.
Robbed from someone over on Reddit...
You boys will never believe who Mark Stoops agent is...
Stats I've seen:
Sam Pittman has a SEC winning percentage of 33%. Mark Stoops... 38%
Stoops has 2 wins over teams with a winning record in the SEC in 11 years
Quote from: animal on Nov 26, 2023, 06:50 AMNo sir we are the Family Dollar/Dollar Store combo of the SEC.
Dollar General.
The one with one employee that's usually standing out in front of the store smoking Marlboro Reds and store inventory is still in boxes stacked in the aisles.
Does anybody see any realistic possibility of a program that is struggling out there that needs some people helping that Sam Pittman can provide and get him some financial security that he needs and deserves and also gets him out of our hair
Everyone loves to say he's a great fit for us, but they wouldn't dare hire him for themselves.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 26, 2023, 09:04 AMEveryone loves to say he's a great fit for us, but they wouldn't dare hire him for themselves.
I mean I know he's coming off four and eight season but he's a well regarded coach surely someone out there loves him too. Or at least that's what Jimmy Sexton's probably telling everybody
Quote from: animal on Nov 26, 2023, 09:12 AMI mean I know he's coming off four and eight season but he's a well regarded coach surely someone out there loves him too. Or at least that's what Jimmy Sexton's probably telling everybody
and we'll throw in a slightly used infrequently turned up jukebox
Quote from: egregious on Nov 26, 2023, 10:12 AMand we'll throw in a slightly used infrequently turned up jukebox
And a dust covered bowling ball named Larry.
dana holgorsen canned.
the guy seems to get a lot of hype but 2 double digit win seasons in 12 years is kind of meh.
Cryptic?
https://x.com/jimmygards/status/1728768892070150433?s=20
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 26, 2023, 12:07 PMdana holgorsen canned.
the guy seems to get a lot of hype but 2 double digit win seasons in 12 years is kind of meh.
Sam Pittman would be a great fit...wherever Holgorsen was these days.
Houston is paying $15 million to fire Holgerson and Indiana is paying $20 million to fire its coach.
Indiana would be a perfect landing spot for Samuel Pittman...do they have lakes in Indiana?
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1728833117589561742?s=20
Yes I meant El Paso of course. Give him a 10 year contract...he's going to get you to the Liberty bowl.
New Mexico parts ways with their head coach too. Things are booming
Quote from: animal on Nov 26, 2023, 12:15 PMIndiana would be a perfect landing spot for Samuel Pittman...do they have lakes in Indiana?
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1728833117589561742?s=20
Yes I meant El Paso of course. Give him a 10 year contract...he's going to get you to the Liberty bowl.
Indiana has low expectations and a similar obesity prevalence.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 26, 2023, 01:07 AMScratch that.
https://x.com/ukcoachstoops/status/1728655482317869099?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
I think the fact that Stoops apparently backed out on the Aggies is hilarious. Some of their fanbase is trying to play it off, but it had to hurt.
4-8 just doesn't cut it at Houston.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 26, 2023, 01:15 PM4-8 just doesn't cut it at Houston.
They'll probably opt for a younger feller but I think Bobby Petrino would do well in Houston
for a spell before burning down the entire city.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 26, 2023, 12:07 PMdana holgorsen canned.
the guy seems to get a lot of hype but 2 double digit win seasons in 12 years is kind of meh.
2 double digit win seasons in 12 years is the dream for Arkansas fans
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 26, 2023, 02:22 PM2 double digit win seasons in 12 years is the dream for Arkansas fans
I was going to say, isn't that what we were told was the goal and expectation here?
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 26, 2023, 02:22 PM2 double digit win seasons in 12 years is the dream for Arkansas fans
Well, it's going to be 2 out of 14 at best IF we do it the next two years (he said with nowhere near a straight face).
I'd say 2 in 20 is nearly out of the question at this point.
A&M hiring Elko.
lol. spend $76 million to hire a guy with two seasons of hc under his belt.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 26, 2023, 03:16 PMA&M hiring Elko.
Well he's a good coach maybe even a quiet inside the park home-run...but it will be seen as the Buick dealer just dropped the ball so they went down the road to Mahindra instead.
staff changes coming to Bolder...
https://x.com/TimBrewster/status/1728796447435313445?s=20
Terry Bowden fired after 3 at ULM. I wasn't aware he was still coaching. I guess he want either.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 26, 2023, 03:48 PMstaff changes coming to Bolder...
https://x.com/TimBrewster/status/1728796447435313445?s=20
the buffs are completely over rated.
On another note is Gruden really going to Indiana
Sumlin to Jimbo to Elko.
Looks like treading water to me. Very expensive water.
It's probably a pretty good hire, but probably not what they had in mind.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 26, 2023, 01:15 PM4-8 just doesn't cut it at Houston.
Big XII isn't the SEC, but it's not the AAC either. Most of their games they are playing teams that have better resources.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 27, 2023, 09:49 AMSumlin to Jimbo to Elko.
Looks like treading water to me. Very expensive water.
At least Elko has potential upside, I thought for sure they'd get another washout that was trending down like Jimbo. The Dabo and Day rumors certainly fit that.
Elko really hasn't proven much of anything in 2 years and he's an odd fit, other than the 2 years as DC at aTm he's really a Northeastern, Ivy League guy.
When Grobe backed out on us I was down at first because I thought it was a good hire, and that was his peak and it was largely downhill after.
I thought Stoops would be a home run for them.
https://x.com/carterkarels/status/1729256370388496493
Maybe that Jimbo buyout did put a dent in the "endless" Aggy war chest. Stoops is making $9MM at KY for comparison.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 27, 2023, 04:04 PMhttps://x.com/carterkarels/status/1729256370388496493
Maybe that Jimbo buyout did put a dent in the "endless" Aggy war chest. Stoops is making $9MM at KY for comparison.
that's what incentives should be. smart move.
It will never happen, but I'd still live to see a win based contract.
You go 4-8, here's your $4mil.
10-2? Great here's $10mil.
Our fatass would still settle for $4 mil
Elko may end up Dana Altman-ing the Aggies. That is a "WTF have I done" look on his face. :D
https://x.com/mikeirwinptn/status/1729294941535285456?s=46&t=NrPjpy_epRtTy1aC7Op3bw
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 27, 2023, 08:59 PMElko may end up Dana Altman-ing the Aggies. That is a "WTF have I done" look on his face. :D
https://x.com/mikeirwinptn/status/1729294941535285456?s=46&t=NrPjpy_epRtTy1aC7Op3bw
Which one is he? White hat?
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 27, 2023, 08:59 PMElko may end up Dana Altman-ing the Aggies. That is a "WTF have I done" look on his face. :D
https://x.com/mikeirwinptn/status/1729294941535285456?s=46&t=NrPjpy_epRtTy1aC7Op3bw
He worked there as DC, he's seen it before.
How a Northeastern Ivy League guy could not just get disgusted by that cringy AF Aggie stuff I'll never know.
Getting this caught up
Houston hires Willie Fritz away from Tulane. Fritz was a finalist for the Arkansas job when they ultimately settled on Chad Morris.
Indiana hires Curt Cignetti away from James Madison, Cignetti is believed to be a really good up and comer but will go to IU to die.
East Carolina is hiring John David Baker to be their new OC. Baker comes from Lane Kiffin's staff at Ole Miss
Matt Luke is being pursued by Clemson (rumored)
David Feeley (Duke S&C coach) has decided not to accept Elko's offer to join him at Texas A&M.
Tyler Santucci (Duke DC/LBs) will not join the A&M staff (supposedly a riser in the coaching ranks)
Who goes to Indiana? Thats football Siberia
Eric Mateo o-line corch from Baylor
Quote from: BEvERage on Dec 03, 2023, 04:06 PMEric Mateo o-line corch from Baylor
Yes. What about him?
https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-trail-nation/eric-mateos-to-join-sam-pittmans-staff-at-arkansas/
Good hire...although Baylor hasn't exactly lit the world on fire lately
Quote from: animal on Dec 03, 2023, 04:37 PMYes. What about him?
https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-trail-nation/eric-mateos-to-join-sam-pittmans-staff-at-arkansas/
Good hire...although Baylor hasn't exactly lit the world on fire lately
Was he a GA for Sam the last time around? His name is familiar
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 03, 2023, 07:50 PMWas he a GA for Sam the last time around? His name is familiar
Yea he was. He was the guy everyone was saying would replace Kennedy if Sam had to fire him.
One "disciple" for another. Maybe this one can teach run blocking
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 03, 2023, 07:50 PMWas he a GA for Sam the last time around? His name is familiar
I think he's the guy who got moved up when Sam left but instead of hiring him like most expected, Bert hired the assistant to the assistant OL coach from the Bills - Anderson to be the OL coach.
Quote from: bigpig on Dec 03, 2023, 07:56 PMYea he was. He was the guy everyone was saying would replace Kennedy if Sam had to fire him.
One "disciple" for another. Maybe this one can teach run blocking
Or pass blocking. At least one out of the two would be an improvement.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 03, 2023, 08:41 PMOr pass blocking. At least one out of the two would be an improvement.
Or slightly reducing the consecutive false start penalties.
Quote from: animal on Dec 03, 2023, 04:37 PMYes. What about him?
https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-trail-nation/eric-mateos-to-join-sam-pittmans-staff-at-arkansas/
Good hire...although Baylor hasn't exactly lit the world on fire lately
Looks like another fat ass to me.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 03, 2023, 11:50 PMLooks like another fat ass to me.
Lets at least give the feller a chance he's worked under Pittman and Jeff Grimes two highly regarded OL coaches in their day. Also I don't know many OL coaches out there that aren't heavy set but maybe there are some.
I'm gojng to be optimistic and say it's an improvement until there is reason to think that it isn't.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 04, 2023, 06:43 AMI'm gojng to be optimistic and say it's an improvement until there is reason to think that it isn't.
It's not like we could get any worse, could we?
If Bobby's ok with having another fat on the offensive staff then I'm fine with it. Worst case, he makes him bend over a bucket with his tiddies hanging out for morning milkings.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 03, 2023, 08:41 PMI think he's the guy who got moved up when Sam left but instead of hiring him like most expected, Bert hired the assistant to the assistant OL coach from the Bills - Anderson to be the OL coach.
That's when Rex Ryan and Sam pulled a fast one on Bert and Rex gave him a glowing review after Bert tried to throw Sam under the bus.
There's something so Arkansas about hiring a guy who intentionally tried to kill your program.
This Mateos guy had 3 lineman this season earn post season awards/accolades...despite their otherwise crappy season so there's that
Quote from: hit_that_line on Dec 04, 2023, 08:22 AMThat's when Rex Ryan and Sam pulled a fast one on Bert and Rex gave him a glowing review after Bert tried to throw Sam under the bus.
There's something so Arkansas about hiring a guy who intentionally tried to kill your program.
You've really gone psycho with your posting here lately. You make less and less sense, which is saying a lot for you.
You guys and your fascination with other men's appearance is weird to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 04, 2023, 09:26 AMYou've really gone psycho with your posting here lately. You make less and less sense, which is saying a lot for you.
::)
matt luke to clemson.
wonder if we even approached the guy.
Quote from: animal on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 AMAlso I don't know many OL coaches out there that aren't heavy set but maybe there are some.
Chris Klenakis is a winner and a fighter.
Quote from: animal on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 AMLets at least give the feller a chance he's worked under Pittman and Jeff Grimes two highly regarded OL coaches in their day. Also I don't know many OL coaches out there that aren't heavy set but maybe there are some.
Joe Philbin was the O L coach for the cowboys. Never played the position and built like Barney Fife. Ran marathons. O l hated him. Got runt off.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 04, 2023, 09:40 AMmatt luke to clemson.
wonder if we even approached the guy.
still won't matter until they run off the Chad of death.
Think Matt Luke still lives on the East coast, that might be part of it.
Jeff Choate has been hired as hc for Nevada. Choate was on the Texas defensive staff.
Duke hired Manny Diaz as head coach. Diaz was previously at Penn State and had previously failed as a head coach at Miami. Though his failure to Arkansas fans would be what we define as success. 21-15
Diaz likes overly complicated defenses that make defenders think, instead of playing fast and instinctively. Always strong until he gets figured out. One of those coaches that players must fit his scheme rather than fitting the scheme to your talent. He's at Duke which condones losing so he might stick a while.
Nick Saban discussion merged here:
https://www.woopig.org/index.php?topic=641.msg64380#msg64380
Belichick and Patriots reportedly agree to part ways paving the way for Bill to go find a situation where he has a QB.
There is only 1 and maybe 2 current NFL jobs open that have quarterbacks and that's Chargers and Seahawks. The Raiders maybe have something with O'connel but that's still a big gamble. Atlanta is a ready-made team with a decent defense, shitty division, and some pieces in place but no quarterback.
I won't be surprised to see Andy Reid hang it up after the season is over...
Also @ESPN: This Mad Dog shit is just stupid
signed, EVERYBODY
Serious changing of the guard of Carroll, Saban, and Belichick out
Quote from: animal on Jan 11, 2024, 06:35 AMBelichick and Patriots reportedly agree to part ways paving the way for Bill to go find a situation where he has a QB.
There is only 1 and maybe 2 current NFL jobs open that have quarterbacks and that's Chargers and Seahawks. The Raiders maybe have something with O'connel but that's still a big gamble. Atlanta is a ready-made team with a decent defense, shitty division, and some pieces in place but no quarterback.
I won't be surprised to see Andy Reid hang it up after the season is over...
Also @ESPN: This Mad Dog shit is just stupid
signed, EVERYBODY
Serious changing of the guard of Carroll, Saban, and Belichick out
Titans have Stroud. Maybe the two teams switch coaches.
Probably Titans ownership should have proposed a trade
Quote from: animal on Jan 11, 2024, 06:35 AMBelichick and Patriots reportedly agree to part ways paving the way for Bill to go find a situation where he has a QB.
There is only 1 and maybe 2 current NFL jobs open that have quarterbacks and that's Chargers and Seahawks. The Raiders maybe have something with O'connel but that's still a big gamble. Atlanta is a ready-made team with a decent defense, shitty division, and some pieces in place but no quarterback.
I won't be surprised to see Andy Reid hang it up after the season is over...
Also @ESPN: This Mad Dog shit is just stupid
signed, EVERYBODY
Serious changing of the guard of Carroll, Saban, and Belichick out
Pats need a HC and a GM and some other jobs. Bill has worn a ton of hats in controlling so much at NE.
Will he only consider teams with GM/HC openings? Skins, Panthers, Chargers are there.
If he's smart he swallows pride and goes to the team best made for a Super Bowl like Brady did.
Will Giants whack Daboll and bring in Bill?
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 11, 2024, 08:04 AMPats need a HC and a GM and some other jobs. Bill has worn a ton of hats in controlling so much at NE.
Will he only consider teams with GM/HC openings? Skins, Panthers, Chargers are there.
If he's smart he swallows pride and goes to the team best made for a Super Bowl like Brady did.
Will Giants whack Daboll and bring in Bill?
If/when the Cowboys lose to the Packers, would Jerry shitcan Fat Nutt and bring in Belichick?
That's about as ready made of a Super Bowl contending roster as there is.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 11, 2024, 10:01 AMIf/when the Cowboys lose to the Packers, would Jerry shitcan Fat Nutt and bring in Belichick?
That's about as ready made of a Super Bowl contending roster as there is.
Had the same thought
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 11, 2024, 10:01 AMIf/when the Cowboys lose to the Packers, would Jerry shitcan Fat Nutt and bring in Belichick?
That's about as ready made of a Super Bowl contending roster as there is.
Nice thought, but Belichick would never put up with Jerry's bullshit.
why in the world would belichick want to work for a meddler like jerry jones?
the most successful coach in league history will go to a place where the owner will take decisions away from him?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2024, 11:03 AMwhy in the world would belichick want to work for a meddler like jerry jones?
the most successful coach in league history will go to a place where the owner will take decisions away from him?
People said the same about Parcells, and he ended up in Dallas.
Jerry is a salesman who isn't encumbered by truth.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 11, 2024, 11:08 AMPeople said the same about Parcells, and he ended up in Dallas.
Jerry is a salesman who isn't encumbered by truth.
20 years ago?
wade phillips, jason garrett, and mccarthy since then.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2024, 11:20 AM20 years ago?
wade phillips, jason garrett, and mccarthy since then.
Jerry had the same reputation back then as he does now. Only difference is 20 years and 10 plastic surgeries. If anything he was infinitely worse as a meddler then than now. He mostly lets Stephen and Will McClay handle player personnel.
I don't think it will happen simply because I don't see Jerry sending Fat Nutt packing, even with a blowout at home to Green Bay. But one thing Jerry loves is the big splash. That could very easily include hiring the last big thing (instead of the next one).
lanning staying at oregon.
still think cornrows is the guy at bama.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2024, 11:35 AMlanning staying at oregon.
still think cornrows is the guy at bama.
I think it'll be Kalen DoBoer.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 11, 2024, 12:23 PMI think it'll be Kalen DoBoer.
Finally someone else thinks like I do. Also, sorry that you are thinking like me - that must be terrifying to know.
Harbaugh still hasn't renewed at Michigan. How insane could the carousel get if Alabama and defending-champion Michigan both have openings?
Lot of guesses flying around that Alabama will have a coach signed by midnight tomorrow. This is about to be an entertaining couple of weeks. Maybe Kiffin will leave Ole Miss and they'll behave in a way that makes Tennessee fans look like angels.
Someone just put this out:
https://x.com/kyleumlang/status/1745219550306537703?
would have to be Kirby? He ain't going anywhere. Dabo?
May just be throwing names out there
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 11, 2024, 12:38 PMSomeone just put this out:
https://x.com/kyleumlang/status/1745219550306537703?
would have to be Kirby? He ain't going anywhere. Dabo?
May just be throwing names out there
The guy in the picture has a national title and SEC head coaching experience.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 11, 2024, 12:39 PMThe guy in the picture has a national title and SEC head coaching experience.
OMG just realized that is Jimbo. didn't pay any attention to the picture.
Certainly false.
Whoever takes that job better get a contract for at least 10M+ a year, for at least 7 years, with no reduced buyout, because the chances of lasting more than 3 years will be slim and none. Most of the better coaches would rather be the guy, following the guy, that followed THE GUY.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 11, 2024, 12:28 PMFinally someone else thinks like I do. Also, sorry that you are thinking like me - that must be terrifying to know.
He's 104-12, runs the best offense in CFB, and recently hired Sexton. Almost seems like a no-brainer, especially if Sark and Lanning are out. If I were Bama I'd roll the dice on DeBoer before Kiffin.
Jerry won't fire McCarthy this year. He is likely to lose Quinn and that DC spot will be critical, he'll spend big on it.
We will know when an Alabama coach had been chosen by...
https://twitter.com/DrunkRepub/status/1745456276858101881?t=qhcm5Yv8bZIVhLuv2HYwgw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/DrunkRepub/status/1745456276858101881?t=qhcm5Yv8bZIVhLuv2HYwgw&s=19)
DeBoer just wins everywhere he has been. I'd make the move for sure.
he inherited (when healthy) the best college qb and a nfl caliber receiving group. only two years of p5 coaching, and 12-6 at fresno. his run at sioux falls was from 05-09.
it could happen but i wonder if that's the guy bama would want to have to follow saban.
Doesn't SMU or somebody have a sub-500 coach in need of a place to go? PERFECT fit, man. SEC programs only hire the best, most qualified.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2024, 02:45 PMhe inherited (when healthy) the best college qb and a nfl caliber receiving group. only two years of p5 coaching, and 12-6 at fresno. his run at sioux falls was from 05-09.
it could happen but i wonder if that's the guy bama would want to have to follow saban.
I thought he recruited and signed Penix from the portal because he had coached him previously at Indiana.
Quote from: Guardrail on Jan 11, 2024, 02:58 PMDoesn't SMU or somebody have a sub-500 coach in need of a place to go? PERFECT fit, man. SEC programs only hire the best, most qualified.
He's much better record wise than Chad was.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 11, 2024, 03:20 PMI thought he recruited and signed Penix from the portal because he had coached him previously at Indiana.
Yes, he recruited him because of his Indiana connection to him.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 11, 2024, 12:28 PMFinally someone else thinks like I do. Also, sorry that you are thinking like me - that must be terrifying to know.
It's who I would choose... oh shit!
Listening to people on SiriusXM College Sports act like Norvell would be their first call.... Ouch.
makes a lot of sense. followed another legend at a declining (in a purely relative sense) program and handled all the pressure that came with it.
of course fsu fans were ready to run him off after the first couple of seasons, but he'd be walking into a much better situation talent wise.
What makes the most sense would be Alabama winning another Natty with a coach that we refused to hire.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2024, 05:08 PMmakes a lot of sense. followed another legend at a declining (in a purely relative sense) program and handled all the pressure that came with it.
of course fsu fans were ready to run him off after the first couple of seasons, but he'd be walking into a much better situation talent wise.
I'd hate it because they won't drop off that much if they get him.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 11, 2024, 05:33 PMWhat makes the most sense would be Alabama winning another Natty with a coach that we refused to hire.
...and has Arkansas ties.
We deserve every bad thing that happens to us.
patriots hire jerod mayo. becomes the youngest coach in the nfl.
thought for sure vrable would get that job.
New Bama coach by 5:00?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 12, 2024, 07:50 AMpatriots hire jerod mayo. becomes the youngest coach in the nfl.
thought for sure vrable would get that job.
Cheap hire. Typical of ownership over the last several years. Patriots won't be a factor for the foreseeable future. I too was certain they'd go get Vrable.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 12, 2024, 07:54 AMNew Bama coach by 5:00?
:D
https://x.com/lundenrtr/status/1745505527675687413?s=46&t=NrPjpy_epRtTy1aC7Op3bw
Quote from: Spiderham on Jan 12, 2024, 08:16 AM:D
https://x.com/lundenrtr/status/1745505527675687413?s=46&t=NrPjpy_epRtTy1aC7Op3bw
Is that his daughter or girlfriend? I couldn't tell if she said dad or daddy.
What is that? :maundoed:
DeBoer cancelled an 8:00 AM PT radio show appearance.
Imagine if he signed the UW extension and only cancelled because he partied too hard and now has the runs.
Quote from: Spiderham on Jan 12, 2024, 08:16 AM:D
Looks like the poor baby has had filler and Botox done like the white trash chicks are doing now.
I recently learned that you can get this done at hair salons. Most of the results look like they were done at a hair salon.
looks like cornrows is stating at fsu.
sexton represents all these guys so you know there's some money being made by having your name come up for the bama job.
Guess Sark is out. If Cornrows is also staying at FSU, it's either DeBoer or Alabama fans are going to have to get ready for their riots.
https://x.com/BarstoolAlabama/status/1745836615623180662?s=20
Were they expecting Gruden? John Harbaugh? McVay, Tomlin, Pete?
Kirby Smart? Is there even another "big time" college football coach they would accept?
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1745844781584986300?s=20
It's almost like they've completely forgotten about the 23 years in between Bear and Nick. The Gene Stallings national title is the lone bright spot between Bill Curry, Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione, Mike Price and Mike Shula.
They're not immune to mediocrity.
Looks like they could be getting desperate.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-daily-jan-12-mike-locksley-reportedly-a-candidate-with-traction-at-alabama/ar-AA1mSqoG?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0d3690d639a441d896c8a3b73fef5270&ei=37 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-daily-jan-12-mike-locksley-reportedly-a-candidate-with-traction-at-alabama/ar-AA1mSqoG?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0d3690d639a441d896c8a3b73fef5270&ei=37)
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Jan 12, 2024, 12:08 PMLooks like they could be getting desperate.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-daily-jan-12-mike-locksley-reportedly-a-candidate-with-traction-at-alabama/ar-AA1mSqoG?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0d3690d639a441d896c8a3b73fef5270&ei=37 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-ten-daily-jan-12-mike-locksley-reportedly-a-candidate-with-traction-at-alabama/ar-AA1mSqoG?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0d3690d639a441d896c8a3b73fef5270&ei=37)
Rooney rule
It doesn't matter what statements are put out or what anyone posts on Twitter.
All of these possible candidates are on the table until Bama announced a hire.
DeBoer officially hired.
kind of a gamble imo. but i guess anyone replacing saban would be.
hope he fails spectacularly because fuck bama.
I think his daddy was the coach at Fresno State for a long time if I'm thinking of the right guy. I think Bama is safe hiring a young up and comer that's gonna row with these NIL punches and not moan and grown about how it used to be in the good old days where it was just a small group of school's paying players and refs off.
Quote from: animal on Jan 12, 2024, 01:44 PMI think his daddy was the coach at Fresno State for a long time if I'm thinking of the right guy. I think Bama is safe hiring a young up and comer that's gonna row with these NIL punches and not moan and grown about how it used to be in the good old days where it was just a small group of school's paying players and refs off.
No, HE was the coach at Fresno St. before he went to Washington.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Jan 12, 2024, 02:09 PMNo, HE was the coach at Fresno St. before he went to Washington.
ok it was stuck in my head that this was daddy (Tim DeRuyter) but obviously that is not the case.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 12, 2024, 01:39 PMkind of a gamble imo. but i guess anyone replacing saban would be.
hope he fails spectacularly because fuck bama.
This.
But the guy has won at every stop he's been at.
Quote from: piglosopher on Jan 12, 2024, 04:02 PMThis.
But the guy has won at every stop he's been at.
Yeah, I'm afraid he'll be good wherever he is. Maybe being from Idaho he'll clash with the culture, at least I hope so.
Saban did more, with more. He took a great player and made him elite. He cultivated an atmosphere of excellence. His commitment to shaping that atmosphere is practically unparalleled in the sport.
In the world of NIL is it necessary to be that type of coach? Instead of being a springboard to the NFL now Alabama has to compete with lesser programs, with equally deep pockets, without a legend to guide the program. A kid can become very wealthy before being able to legally drink nowadays. Needing Alabama's status as the king of college football and having the GOAT coach them isn't as important anymore to make substantial money playing football.
DeBoer may be that type of coach. It just amazes me that this was the guy. Maybe Bama's trailer park trash fan base scared off more marquee coaches. Who knows?
You weren't gonna hit a home run after Saban. DeBoer is a solid hit to keep the rally going. He will be what Gene Stallings was to Bear Bryant...or Les Miles was to Nick at LSU.
Odds are he'll have a few 9-11 win seasons, then have a disaster 6 or 5 win outing and get fired.
I give him 4 years.
his first sec game will be when georgia comes to town.
Quote from: bigpig on Jan 12, 2024, 08:47 PMOdds are he'll have a few 9-11 win seasons, then have a disaster 6 or 5 win outing and get fired.
I give him 4 years.
That's a tad more generous than I've penciled in.
I'm curious where the money comes in. We're about to be reminded how shitty our front office is.
Quote from: GeoHogsGeo on Jan 12, 2024, 08:08 PMYou weren't gonna hit a home run after Saban. DeBoer is a solid hit to keep the rally going. He will be what Gene Stallings was to Bear Bryant...or Les Miles was to Nick at LSU.
Stallings was 2 or 3 coaches after Bryant I think.
https://x.com/_tide18tymes/status/1745908669823287466?s=61&t=Y0HnJInXBN48z6WJDbQHzQ
Lol
@Texzilla RE: Kirby Smart taking Falcons job (potentially) based off 4 day old rumors
How fed up can you be with college football when it comes down to you still making millions. I get it with the NIL/Portal is not what these coaches signed up for, but at the end of the day if you are an accomplished coach like a Saban or Smart even..at some point if you cannot sustain success because the goal posts keep moving you just take your dump truck load of money to the bank on the way to the lake and say fuck errbody.
If you are a young coach or otherwise still eager to make your mark on the game it's certainly very stressful having to navigate all this shit these days. For much of the coaching world though a 12 team playoff sounds a helluva lot better than a 4 team playoff. That opens a lot of doors, keeps players "bought it" (maybe) *
additional rates and fees may applyThe early signing period I think for many of these coaches is a total shit show. Add in the early period for portal guys. It makes it make sense for schools to go ugly early by shit canning their head coach half way through the season so they are get a jump on selling that new chicken to the fans.
If you are a bowl team it makes it damn hard to focus on recruiting so you better have an excellent support staff and organizational structure. You better have your shit together on NIL collectives. You better be able to answer questions from yokel media competently or they may imply mean things about you as they walk around an empty stadium ::)
Anyway there was a point in here somewhere and I think it's mainly coaches will have to fucking adjust to this. The way this has all been handled is stupid. You cannot have a competitive level playing field by having a "salary cap" anymore than it is possible for a 115th ranked D1 team to realistically compete with a TOP 10 program. It's just not going to happen. There are too many schools in D1 FBS as it presently exists.
Quote from: TC on Jan 12, 2024, 09:27 PMStallings was 2 or 3 coaches after Bryant I think.
True, but the point is for what you get to fill a legend's shoes. My point was, the hire is on par with those. I personally think it's as solid a hire that you could get. And I think he will follow what Stallings and Miles did in bringing at least one Natty to Tuscaloosa.
Holy hell. Georgia just picked up Tavaris Robinson as co-defensive coordinator and safeties coach.
He was at Alabama last year as defensive backs coach.
:D
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Washington filled, Arizona now open
https://x.com/brucefeldmancfb/status/1746657976621109515?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
florida fans fans were hoping he would stay another year at arizona.
How is Jerry Kill not getting a better job?
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 14, 2024, 11:47 PMHow is Jerry Kill not getting a better job?
well I thought I heard he stepped down due to health reasons again. He would be a heck of a hire as someone's senior analyst...that's probably worth 250k to just be in the building...
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 14, 2024, 11:47 PMHow is Jerry Kill not getting a better job?
He's been banging his head against the wall trying to figure that out too.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 14, 2024, 11:47 PMHow is Jerry Kill not getting a better job?
Hope he doesn't seize the first offer that comes along.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 15, 2024, 12:11 PMHope he doesn't seize the first offer that comes along.
He's going to shake things up
Ohio State needs a new AD and word is they're looking at Ross Bjork. Lol get ready to welcome Mark Stoops as new HC after Day has another 11-2 season.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 15, 2024, 02:49 PMOhio State needs a new AD and word is they're looking at Ross Bjork. Lol get ready to welcome Mark Stoops as new HC after Day has another 11-2 season.
How has Jimmy section not gotten Hootie an AD gig. That could be funny too as he try's to figure out girls field hockey and ticket sales.
X/Twitter rumors are that Harbaugh may go to the NFL and Michigan is already pursuing Brian Kelly.
Don't know if there is anything to this.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 15, 2024, 06:47 PMX/Twitter rumors are that Harbaugh may go to the NFL and Michigan is already pursuing Brian Kelly.
Don't know if there is anything to this.
Sounds like LSU might be in need of a winner and a fighter.
https://x.com/alabamareferee/status/1747053445050245382?s=46&t=HTO2DZu73sU03syQSL2zaA
Alabama hiring Kane Wommack as it's DC. He has been head coach at South Alabama the last couple years and doing well. He was a fullback at Arkansas in the early 2000s, is son of Dave Wommack a DC under Nutt.
I believe Dave Wommack followed Keith Burns (Code Red guy) as the DC
This puts Kane on a path to being a big boy head coach in a year or two most likely. Don't know if he has any strong ties back in Arkansas or not but may be a name to watch when Arkansas is able to move on from Tittboss.
Sure as fuck hope he's a better dc than his dad
Quote from: BASS on Jan 16, 2024, 08:20 AMSure as fuck hope he's a better dc than his dad
....not while he's at Bama.
Quote from: animal on Jan 16, 2024, 06:16 AMAlabama hiring Kane Wommack as it's DC. He has been head coach at South Alabama the last couple years and doing well. He was a fullback at Arkansas in the early 2000s, is son of Dave Wommack a DC under Nutt.
I believe Dave Wommack followed Keith Burns (Code Red guy) as the DC
This puts Kane on a path to being a big boy head coach in a year or two most likely. Don't know if he has any strong ties back in Arkansas or not but may be a name to watch when Arkansas is able to move on from Tittboss.
hmmm
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Oct 23, 2023, 12:06 PMWhat do you guys think about Kane Wommack at South Alabama? He's been pretty successful down there and I think he would qualify as an up-and-comer. He's got ties to Arkansas since his dad coached here and he went to Fayetteville High. He seems like a good one to, at least, take a look at.
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-paul-petrino-is-leaving-central-michigan
Should we be worried about this? Do we have any openings on offense since we hired Fouch?
Kane graduated a year after me at FHS. I don't think he has any real ties left in Fayetteville. His parents stayed in Oxford after Dave retired. We'll see how Kane does at Bama.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 16, 2024, 10:14 AMhttps://footballscoop.com/news/sources-paul-petrino-is-leaving-central-michigan
Should we be worried about this? Do we have any openings on offense since we hired Fouch?
interesting.
Maybe an off the field analyst?
Alabama also hired someone named Maurice Linguist as a Co-DC.
Cunning move.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 16, 2024, 09:46 PMAlabama also hired someone named Maurice Linguist as a Co-DC.
Cunning move.
chortle
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 16, 2024, 09:46 PMAlabama also hired someone named Maurice Linguist as a Co-DC.
Cunning move.
I dunno; something about it smells fishy.
per shcefter, mccarthy will be the cowboys coach in 2024.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 17, 2024, 07:01 PMper shcefter, mccarthy will be the cowboys coach in 2024.
Jerrah, like Yura, not taking football seriously.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 17, 2024, 07:01 PMper shcefter, mccarthy will be the cowboys coach in 2024.
This is ultimately coming down to Jerry not wanting to buy out a year of Fat Nutt's contract. The motherfucker could ground his fucking jet for a week and cover the buyout, but no, let's tank the fucking franchise's chance to save relative nickels once again. Because windows of contention stay open forever in this league.
I've said this before, and I'll say it until proven otherwise which ain't going to happen. If you gave Jerry the choice of earning a billion dollars and winning the Super Bowl, or earning $1,000,000,001 and going 0-17, the Cowboys would be picking first in the next year's draft.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jan 18, 2024, 08:53 AMThis is ultimately coming down to Jerry not wanting to buy out a year of Fat Nutt's contract. The motherfucker could ground his fucking jet for a week and cover the buyout, but no, let's tank the fucking franchise's chance to save relative nickels once again. Because windows of contention stay open forever in this league.
I've said this before, and I'll say it until proven otherwise which ain't going to happen. If you gave Jerry the choice of earning a billion dollars and winning the Super Bowl, or earning $1,000,000,001 and going 0-17, the Cowboys would be picking first in the next year's draft.
Money. It's all that matters to guys like Jones and Yurachek. Because they know that we, the common fan, will continue to fork over money, that we should be spending somewhere else, to support our favorite teams. Winning is secondary. Or thirdinary.
The ONLY way to get these guys attention is by staying home. But most fans are degenerates that can't live without being at the stadium, and these guys know this.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 17, 2024, 07:01 PMper shcefter, mccarthy will be the cowboys coach in 2024.
if this is true, so LOL
https://x.com/RedditCFB/status/1749868255848829216?
Harbaugh may well be on the move. Wonder who Michigan will hire.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 23, 2024, 01:17 PMWonder who Michigan will hire.
We better give Pittman a raise.
If Harbaugh leaves the first move Michigan should make is to shitcan the AD
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 23, 2024, 02:10 PMIf Harbaugh leaves the first move Michigan should make is to shitcan the AD
Interesting strategy immediately following winning the National Championship.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 23, 2024, 01:17 PMhttps://x.com/RedditCFB/status/1749868255848829216?
Harbaugh may well be on the move. Wonder who Michigan will hire.
Bring back Mike Macdonald? Would he want to go back to college?
even with free agency, an nfl coach has more control over the roster than the guys dealing with the college game nowadays.
personally i can't blame someone like harbaugh going back to a much more structured situation and getting paid more money.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 23, 2024, 02:54 PMeven with free agency, an nfl coach has more control over the roster than the guys dealing with the college game nowadays.
personally i can't blame someone like harbaugh going back to a much more structured situation and getting paid more money.
Just the travel alone would do it for me. Hobnobbing and glad handing teenagers and sitting in different living rooms all week sounds miserable.
Quote from: TC on Jan 23, 2024, 02:34 PMInteresting strategy immediately following winning the National Championship.
Read that he's been a pain in Jim's ass for awhile. What's interesting is that Jim would jump to the Chargers of all places after winning the Natty.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 23, 2024, 03:32 PMRead that he's been a pain in Jim's ass for awhile. What's interesting is that Jim would jump to the Chargers of all places after winning the Natty.
Chargers will give him more control over personnel and they have a QB already on the roster that's ready for him to coach up.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 23, 2024, 02:54 PMeven with free agency, an nfl coach has more control over the roster than the guys dealing with the college game nowadays.
personally i can't blame someone like harbaugh going back to a much more structured situation and getting paid more money.
In sunny California also.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 23, 2024, 03:32 PMRead that he's been a pain in Jim's ass for awhile. What's interesting is that Jim would jump to the Chargers of all places after winning the Natty.
Well sending assistant(s) out to pose as staff for another school for an upcoming scouting report will do that to you.
Cost of doing business
Quote from: Usafhawg on Jan 23, 2024, 02:42 PMBring back Mike Macdonald? Would he want to go back to college?
It's minute by minute...
Quote from: Zoso on Jan 23, 2024, 06:10 PMIt's minute by minute...
That's only what a fool believes.
harbaugh to the chargers per schefter.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 23, 2024, 01:17 PMhttps://x.com/RedditCFB/status/1749868255848829216?
Harbaugh may well be on the move. Wonder who Michigan will hire.
makes sense - expanded playoff, nil, portal, expanded big 10 - great time to go back to the nfl where there is an off-season. plus how to you top last season and this run vs ohio state? it's only downhill from here.
Do they elevate the OC Moore who was the acting head coach half the season last year? Probably - what more could he do and it would keep the roster intact otherwise the portal out of Ann Arbor would be massive.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 24, 2024, 06:46 PMmakes sense - expanded playoff, nil, portal, expanded big 10 - great time to go back to the nfl where there is an off-season. plus how to you top last season and this run vs ohio state? it's only downhill from here.
Do they elevate the OC Moore who was the acting head coach half the season last year? Probably - what more could he do and it would keep the roster intact otherwise the portal out of Ann Arbor would be massive.
As a Ravens fan, I'm afraid of them bringing MacDonald back.
https://x.com/randallhogwps/status/1750939679380177361?
:rofl:
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 26, 2024, 12:03 PMhttps://x.com/randallhogwps/status/1750939679380177361?
:rofl:
GJ Kinne was a once promising head coach...
also must be hard to explain to Mrs. Morris why you went from a D1 P5 head coach to a high school coach to a failed high school coach slash position coach at a tiny college. Undoubtedly this is when the "for the love of the game" comes into play.
Nothing "ti
Quote from: animal on Jan 26, 2024, 12:23 PMGJ Kinne was a once promising head coach...
also must be hard to explain to Mrs. Morris why you went from a D1 P5 head coach to a high school coach to a failed high school coach slash position coach at a tiny college. Undoubtedly this is when the "for the love of the game" comes into play.
Nothing tiny about Texas State except its position in the football world. Thirty-eight thousand students.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 26, 2024, 05:28 PMNothing "ti
Nothing tiny about Texas State except its position in the football world. Thirty-eight thousand students.
Among other alumni, Randy Rogers, Charlie Robison, and an "Ace in the Hole Band" led by some guy named George something.
I apologize if I offended anybody by calling Texas State tiny. I meant simply that they are a small time program. It's not like they could be competitive with the elites of the world like the univ of Arkansas' football or men's basketball program.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 23, 2024, 08:40 PMThat's only what a fool believes.
Ya mo be there.
Quote from: animal on Jan 26, 2024, 06:37 PMI apologize if I offended anybody by calling Texas State tiny. I meant simply that they are a small time program. It's not like they could be competitive with the elites of the world like the univ of Arkansas' football or men's basketball program.
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Quote from: animal on Jan 26, 2024, 06:37 PMI apologize if I offended anybody by calling Texas State tiny. I meant simply that they are a small time program. It's not like they could be competitive with the elites of the world like the univ of Arkansas' football or men's basketball program.
I acknowledged that their position in the football world is small. It's actually supposed to be a good school in a good location. It's the old Southwest Texas State in San Marcos. At least by reputation, the choice of many beautiful girls.
Why on earth would GJ Kinne kill his promising career like this? How can his coaching friends let this happen?
Clemson just improved dramatically
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 27, 2024, 10:45 AMI acknowledged that their position in the football world is small. It's actually supposed to be a good school in a good location. It's the old Southwest Texas State in San Marcos. At least by reputation, the choice of many beautiful girls.
San Marcos State was once rated one of the top party schools in the country.
Quote from: animal on Jan 26, 2024, 12:23 PMGJ Kinne was a once promising head coach...
also must be hard to explain to Mrs. Morris why you went from a D1 P5 head coach to a high school coach to a failed high school coach slash position coach at a tiny college. Undoubtedly this is when the "for the love of the game" comes into play.
Yeah, she's not moving for that shit.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 27, 2024, 03:45 PMSan Marcos State was once rated one of the top party schools in the country.
Still are. See their performance at their bowl game this year.
Quote from: mde114 on Jan 27, 2024, 05:41 PMStill are. See their performance at their bowl game this year.
San Marcos is a cool town in between Austin and San Antonio. Close to New Braunfels and Gruene. Lots to do within an hour. Getting a tube and a floating ice chest of beer on the San Marcos River is a relaxing thing to do.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 27, 2024, 07:49 PMSan Marcos is a cool town in between Austin and San Antonio. Close to New Braunfels and Gruene. Lots to do within an hour. Getting a tube and a floating ice chest of beer on the San Marcos River is a relaxing thing to do.
Cheatham Street Warehouse is a national treasure.
Was in school there at the same time as George, went to see him at Cheatham street twice. My future wife worked in the Ag department and George would come in occasionally, great guy.
Quote from: madbackers on Jan 28, 2024, 05:12 AMWas in school there at the same time as George, went to see him at Cheatham street twice. My future wife worked in the Ag department and George would come in occasionally, great guy.
Nice first post. Wade on in deeper.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 28, 2024, 05:54 AMNice first post. Wade on in deeper.
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😂😂😂😂😂
Body by Herb is going to the NFL
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Jan 26, 2024, 06:12 PMAmong other alumni, Randy Rogers, Charlie Robison, and an "Ace in the Hole Band" led by some guy named George something.
And, a pretty good looking kicker many years ago.
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That's got to be the worst pic of her, ever.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Jan 29, 2024, 11:42 AMThat's got to be the worst pic of her, ever.
There was no such thing.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 30, 2024, 02:12 AMThere was no such thing.
When the worst pic of you looks like that, you've had a pretty good run.
Speaking of people in that picture, have any of you watched an episode of NCIS: New Orleans? Scott Bakula looks eerily like a guy who used to own his own island and definitely did not kill himself.
So who's gonna be the new AD here if Yurachek goes to Texas A&M?
Quote from: Ty Webb on Feb 04, 2024, 09:20 PMSo who's gonna be the new AD here if Yurachek goes to Texas A&M?
Should we be:
1. Worried
B. Laughing at EaTmE
3. Joyful
Quote from: HogOfWar on Feb 04, 2024, 09:43 PMShould we be:
1. Worried
B. Laughing at EaTmE
3. Joyful
I say worried. I don't agree with everything Yurachek has done, but overall I think he has done a good job.
If he goes to A&M you'll know that the stories about him wanting to fire Titboss and getting told he couldn't are real.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Feb 05, 2024, 09:10 AMIf he goes to A&M you'll know that the stories about him wanting to fire Titboss and getting told he couldn't are real.
or it could be that A&M is a better job and he's taking the opportunity to bounce. I like HY but he's turded up most of the big revenue hires aside from Muss who is trending downward.
Quote from: animal on Feb 05, 2024, 09:15 AMor it could be that A&M is a better job and he's taking the opportunity to bounce. I like HY but he's turded up most of the big revenue hires aside from Muss who is trending downward.
I don't really disagree. But aside from a little more money, why is A&M a better job? Could it be because that when an AD wants to make a change he gets blank checks instead of blank stares?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Feb 05, 2024, 09:19 AMI don't really disagree. But aside from a little more money, why is A&M a better job? Could it be because that when an AD wants to make a change he gets blank checks instead of blank stares?
Do we not blame Yurachek for giving Pittman a big buyout when no other school would ever try to hire him away from here? Not being able to fire Pittman is on Yurachek more than anyone else.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Feb 05, 2024, 09:22 AMDo we not blame Yurachek for giving Pittman a big buyout when no other school would ever try to hire him away from here? Not being able to fire Pittman is on Yurachek more than anyone else.
Is the buyout too big? Yes. Is it a "big" buyout by today's standards and compared to the revenue at stake for even one more year of suckage at this level? No. And that's the difference. When stories were running everyday in the media about LSU being broke, they fired a coach who had won an NC a mere two years earlier, gave him $18 million, hired Brian Kelly and gave him $9 million a year. A&M paid the largest buyout in history because they didn't like 8-4 seasons.
Other schools want to win and understand what it takes. We don't.
I am worried that if HY leaves, those who control the purse strings will not get anyone who wants to be competitive and just accept a paycheck from the SEC.
It seems pretty blatant now, we are being turned into the Vanderbilt of the west. Even the attitude around here is be thankful for the wins, beacause who knows when we will get them.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Feb 05, 2024, 09:52 AMI am worried that if HY leaves, those who control the purse strings will not get anyone who wants to be competitive and just accept a paycheck from the SEC.
It seems pretty blatant now, we are being turned into the Vanderbilt of the west. Even the attitude around here is be thankful for the wins, beacause who knows when we will get them.
Maybe we'll get a real son of Arkansas. We're lucky in that regard; if Hootie turns us down we have Gus as a solid fallback.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Feb 05, 2024, 10:04 AMMaybe we'll get a real son of Arkansas. We're lucky in that regard; if Hootie turns us down we have Gus as a solid fallback.
Getting Hootie crossed my mind. If it happens, it will be ironic, because it was thought he would succeed Frank, with Gus taking over the head coaching job.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Feb 05, 2024, 10:13 AMGetting Hootie crossed my mind. If it happens, it will be ironic, because it was thought he would succeed Frank, with Gus taking over the head coaching job.
If Hootie, he will become the Jerry Jones of Arkansas football and try to run the team, no matter who the coach is.
Dale is a cancer.
Dale also HAS cancer.
I don't think he'll be in the running for AD. It's not 2005 anymore.
Quote from: bigpig on Feb 05, 2024, 10:54 AMDale is a cancer.
Dale also HAS cancer.
I don't think he'll be in the running for AD. It's not 2005 anymore.
Isn't it Dickey Nutt that has cancer, not Hootie?
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/feb/02/dickey-nutt-diagnosed-with-cancer/ (https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/feb/02/dickey-nutt-diagnosed-with-cancer/)
Quote from: HogOfWar on Feb 05, 2024, 12:07 PMIsn't it Dickey Nutt that has cancer, not Hootie?
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/feb/02/dickey-nutt-diagnosed-with-cancer/ (https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/feb/02/dickey-nutt-diagnosed-with-cancer/)
Oh my bad.
....maybe it's contagious?
Yes worst case is HY leaves and the yokels push for someone like Hootie or perhaps more likely Gus who might would take that gig. The days of hiring ex coaches to be AD's is about over but certainly not outside the wheel house of thinking for the UA given our penchant for being 30 to 40 years behind the times.
As a proud alumni of the UofA, I will give up my card if the university ever brings that dipshit Hootie back into the fold in any form or fashion.
https://x.com/espnrittenberg/status/1756032043215974833?
Been seeing rumors this might happen. Not sure where he is going, though.
Quote from: jdcatty on Feb 09, 2024, 01:10 PMhttps://x.com/espnrittenberg/status/1756032043215974833?
Been seeing rumors this might happen. Not sure where he is going, though.
THE Ohio State as OC supposedly.
Wild.
Stepping down from UCLA to take an OC job.
Also wild: UCLA and Ohio State will be conference opponents.
Parse 1
Maybe being head coach having to herd cats for a living is just not worth it when you can go be an OC for a Lamborghini team and still make millions with half or 1/4 of the effort.
Semi-Parse
It used to be when coaches did weird shit it was because there was something about to hit...a shoe to drop somewhere. Anymore...idk.
Parse 3
UCLA wants to hire an NFL guy and is pushing Chip Kelly out the door. Hey what's Pete Carroll up to these days?
And UCLA says it will hire a new coach in 4 days.
Hootie Dale?
Choad?
Gruden?
Quote from: bigpig on Feb 09, 2024, 04:23 PMWild.
Stepping down from UCLA to take an OC job.
Also wild: UCLA and Ohio State will be conference opponents.
He knew he was a dead man walking and should have been fired this year.
Also, he wants to gtfo and be back in the NFL asap like we're seeing many college coaches do.
Quote from: piglosopher on Feb 10, 2024, 11:14 AMHe knew he was a dead man walking and should have been fired this year.
I think this is correct. There's a really good chance they start next season 1-4 after playing LSU, Oregon and Pedo State in the first month. If he leaves now, his reputation isn't blemished as much.
...although it can't be easy leaving LA for Columbus. Especially in February.
Quote from: piglosopher on Feb 10, 2024, 11:14 AMHe knew he was a dead man walking and should have been fired this year.
Also, he wants to gtfo and be back in the NFL asap like we're seeing many college coaches do.
Wait, you mean a coach saw how things were likely to go and didn't hold out to the bitter end forcing a bad scene. You can do that?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Feb 10, 2024, 03:47 PMWait, you mean a coach saw how things were likely to go and didn't hold out to the bitter end forcing a bad scene. You can do that?
Doesn't apply to lower United States.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Feb 09, 2024, 09:02 PMAnd UCLA says it will hire a new coach in 4 days.
Hootie Dale?
Choad?
Gruden?
Apparently they knew all along:
https://x.com/ByPatForde/status/1757075564865728910?
Missouri AD to Arizona
Quote from: buff2.0 on Feb 19, 2024, 12:51 PMMissouri AD to Arizona
Scenery man. Arizona hotties > Columbia cattle
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Feb 19, 2024, 03:58 PMScenery man. Arizona hotties > Columbia cattle
I don't know that she has come out but agree on the scenery change. However Tucson's recent homeless explosion is getting worse all the time
Mizzou AD probably had small children and wanted to get them away from Drinkowitz.
Quote from: Hizog on Feb 20, 2024, 07:15 AMMizzou AD probably had small children and wanted to get them away from Drinkowitz.
One of her sons is Jackson Francois who is on the Mizzou basketball team.
1) no one walks away from the SEC willingly
2) Arizona has serious, serious money issues and she's taking a pay cut.
. https://frontofficesports.com/financial-woes-could-force-arizona-to-cut-sports-programs/
3) Mizzou just formed an oversight committee for athletics which may or may not be tied to the recent $62 million donation. https://www.columbiamissourian.com/sports/mizzou_sports/um-system-establishes-mizzou-athletics-oversight-committee-seeking-information-and-accountablity/article_5e661752-2a39-5538-b6d9-f871d123d470.html
University of Missouri System leadership established a new oversight committee Thursday that will monitor Mizzou athletics amid broad changes to college sports and rising spending by the athletic department.
The UM System Board of Curators voted unanimously to create the Mizzou Intercollegiate Athletics Special Committee during its regularly scheduled meeting on the MU campus.
The four-member committee's oversight will range from finances to progress of athletic facilities renovations to name, image, likeness compensation and the future of the NCAA.
Very odd timing.
but let's also be honest - Mizzou football has hit it's ceiling and there's not way they stay there and it's all downhill from right?
So Enos found another job.
https://x.com/JacobRudner/status/1762556102519005234?
Hope he does for Florida's offense what he did for ours.
What does "head coach projects" entail?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Feb 27, 2024, 04:18 PMWhat does "head coach projects" entail?
Getting coffee for the HC.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Feb 27, 2024, 04:18 PMWhat does "head coach projects" entail?
Trying to help Napier save his job, probably too late.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Feb 27, 2024, 04:35 PMGetting coffee for the HC.
Or if it's Hugh Freeze, calling "escorts" for the recruits.
Porter Moser seems to be catching hell from OU fans. Kinda surprises me. Is he in trouble?
He's 12-22 in February and March the last 3 seasons with the Sooners. You can't finish like that and hope for some good graces from the selection committee.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Mar 18, 2024, 11:29 AMHe's 12-22 in February and March the last 3 seasons with the Sooners. You can't finish like that and hope for some good graces from the selection committee.
Wow, I didn't realize his record was that bad.
Scott Drew turns down Louisville to remain at Baylor.
Where's Louisville go now?
Quote from: mde114 on Mar 20, 2024, 05:13 PMScott Drew turns down Louisville to remain at Baylor.
Where's Louisville go now?
Muss
Quote from: BASS on Mar 20, 2024, 05:18 PMMuss
would be a hard sell at 16-17 this year.
Dusty May = white courtesy phone - he will have his choice of Lville or Michigan but you have to think Lville is the better gig. plus the ACC is trash once you get past UNC and Duke but then that league is in turmoil.
maybe get a bump and stay in boca.
The more FAU can win, the more $$$ he will make
Quote from: mde114 on Mar 20, 2024, 05:13 PMScott Drew turns down Louisville to remain at Baylor.
Where's Louisville go now?
Probably Dusty May. Hopefully they lose to Northwestern on Friday and get the ball rolling.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Mar 20, 2024, 07:04 PMProbably Dusty May. Hopefully they lose to Northwestern on Friday and get the ball rolling.
Some are touting Will Wade for the Louisville job. No idea if there is any interest on either side.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 20, 2024, 07:02 PMwould be a hard sell at 16-17 this year.
2 Elite 8s and 1 Sweet 16 over four years trumps the one bad year. Plus, he can say something like, "See what I can do at a place like Arkansas? Just think what I can do at a Louisville!" And people eat that shit up.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 20, 2024, 09:11 PMSome are touting Will Wade for the Louisville job. No idea if there is any interest on either side.
That doesn't seem possible for them, given their history with NCAA issues.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Mar 20, 2024, 07:04 PMProbably Dusty May. Hopefully they lose to Northwestern on Friday and get the ball rolling.
Well, they are on pace to score about 42 points today so that "may" grant your wish.
Then again, so is Northwestern so who knows.
Whoa! Louisville still open........
Interesting that wojo (nba guy) broke the news first
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1771712605893128352?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Again, I'm not sold in May. We'll see how it works out. Believe the Robinson kid from Lake Hamilton was commited to FAU.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 23, 2024, 08:51 PMWhoa! Louisville still open........
Interesting that wojo (nba guy) broke the news first
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1771712605893128352?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
"Interesting that wojo (nba guy) broke the news first"
"Klutch Sports" is your answer.
Holloway (Seton Hall) is a name to watch at Louisville.
SMU is awful quiet and they have a lot of money.
a lot could depend on who wins and who loses in the next 24 hours.
Buzz or Wade to OK State
Quote from: DrMongoose on Mar 23, 2024, 11:01 PMHolloway (Seton Hall) is a name to watch at Louisville.
SMU is awful quiet and they have a lot of money.
a lot could depend on who wins and who loses in the next 24 hours.
Buzz or Wade to OK State
I havent been following closely, but Wade at okie st seems like an interesting fit.
Quote from: TC on Mar 24, 2024, 12:23 AMI havent been following closely, but Wade at okie st seems like an interesting fit.
That does. Buzz to Stillwater seems lateral at best.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 24, 2024, 07:27 AMThat does. Buzz to Stillwater seems lateral at best.
May be the same reason Muss is allegedly looking for a new gig. Reset the clock extends earning potential. Buzz has done ok but not great at A&M...I'd say he's underwhelmed. Muss met or exceeded expectations until this season so it makes less sense for him to be shopping unless he truly believes he's been had.
Wow. 3 schools bidding for his services (Michigan, Louisville, and Vandy - who paid Stack $25 M to go away - and this is the deal May gets? Low ball on money it seems.
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1771916239276781977?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
As someone noted above, coaches are leaving to reset their clock as well as it keeps their name fresh.
Buzz has been meh at aTm but look at their BKB history, by their standards he has done very well and if he get them to the sweet 16 he may be stuck there. He also has a new AD and let's be honest, they do not care about basketball and they are weird (which he knew but it has to wear on one's soul if you aren't an alum).
Timing is everything, the guys who advance to the sweet 16 may be stuck as most schools want to hire this week because of the portal (used to be you wanted your new hire to pimp out at the final four but the portal has changed that).
SMU has money and bought their way into the ACC which let's be honest is a basketball league. They will have to buy their way in hoops with a coach of higher stature in BKB than Lashlee in FB. I would look for them to take some swings at big names which at some point would include Muss if it gets that far down the list.
Bear in mind, it has become all about the post season (really in all sports pro and college now) which is why KY Jelly is mad at Cal but like FSU and Clemson with the ACC it makes no sense to sign or present anything longer than 5 years without a manageable out.
But as we all know, the postseason is such a fluky thing to base it all on, a bounce here, Syracuse calling a timeout they didn't have in 95, NC State this year - Keats was likely getting fired 10,days ago but now has a 2 year extension and chance to make the elite eight - Ole Miss and Moo State baseball championship runs, etc.
Bear in mind, the people (ADs) making these decisions to hire and fire or keep are the same ones who select and seed the tournament fields and whine about the NCAA rules that their bosses (Collège presidents) propose and vote on.
Only in America. And it is such great theater.
I'm not advocating this by any stretch but I seem to recall Colorado's Tad Boyle was among the names said to be finalists for the coaching job at Arkansas prior to Muss' hiring. The other name I remember was the Iowa coach Fran whatever his name is.
Someone mentioned Fred Hoiberg the other day and I agree he would be a solid choice if Muss jets.
The NC State coach may get on some radars after making it to the Sweet 16.
He hasn't lit the world on fire in a long time but I wonder if Tommy Amaker is tired of coaching nerds at a very liberal Harvard?
Latest rumors....
Richard Pitino (New Mexico) to Louisville. Saw Mashburn Jr entered the portal yesterday and House rumored to enter as well.
The Louisville search is all over the place.
Andy Enfield (USC after Dunk City) to SMU.
With the tournament going chalk it has slowed the hot name candidates.
Cal is back as is Cuonzo Martin at Missouri State.
Bumping thread...tis the season for new coaches
Here's my long list of names I'd think may show interest...
Keatts (prisoner of the moment hire but not terrible overall record)
Tang
Beard
Jans
Boyle
Altman (where did Oregon end up going for conference play)
Kim English (if you want to go young)
Lamont Paris
Kyle Keller (off the wall hire but has a good pedigree working under Self for a while)
Andy Kennedy
Kevin Kruger (ok I'm giving up now)
Wade (has show cause)
Quote from: animal on Apr 04, 2024, 05:26 PMBumping thread...tis the season for new coaches
Here's my long list of names I'd think may show interest...
Keatts (prisoner of the moment hire but not terrible overall record)
Tang
Beard
Jans
Boyle
Altman (where did Oregon end up going for conference play)
Kim English (if you want to go young)
Lamont Paris
Kyle Keller (off the wall hire but has a good pedigree working under Self for a while)
Andy Kennedy
Kevin Kruger (ok I'm giving up now)
Wade (has show cause)
Keats? No. If the kid does not hit the buzzer beater vs uva in acc tournament to force OT on day 1 of acc tournament he is on the bread line.
https://x.com/memphomofo/status/1774584010322116803?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Hire Beard. See if Ole misses is more pissed off then we are about muss leaving.
Wonder if Beard's agent is Jimmy Sexton. Anybody know?
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 04, 2024, 07:21 PMWonder if Beard's agent is Jimmy Sexton. Anybody know?
Bret Just I believe
If Hunter can't get Beard away from Ole Piss, then he needs to start exploring his options, too.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Apr 05, 2024, 02:36 AMIf Hunter can't get Beard away from Ole Piss, then he needs to start exploring his options, too.
No doubt. 0-2 vs ole miss for coaches is the equivalent of 0-8 in football. Time for a change.
Dropping some names I think you'll see on the rise over the next few years...
Will Wade (McNeese)
Kim English (Providence)
Wes Miller (Cincinnati)
Grant McCasland (Texas Tech)
Bryce Drew (Grand Canyon) may get another p5 opportunity sooner rather than later
Takayo Siddle (UNCW)
Eric Konkol (Tulsa) ....built La Tech into a respectable program while there
KT Turner (UTA)
Casey Alexander (Belmont)
Bucky McMillan (Samford)
I always like to come back to these threads and see how wrong I am.
One semi interesting thing I see is most of the top programs either don't hire black guys or don't keep them very long. To include Michigan's Juwan Howard (he's had some blow ups there and Michigan historically is not bashful about firing) a stint that included some unimpressive overall records but a 1 elite 8 and 1 sweet 16 in a relative short period of time. Like Arkansas dropped like a rock.
Stackhouse sucked. Penny Hardaway looks lost as fuck most of the time. Meanwhile there are other guys who paid their dues that never get an opportunity.
I'm struggling to recall who is the best black guy head coach in college basketball right now. Surely it's not Rodney Terry or the dude that went to Georgetown from Providence. Dennis Gates flopped big time this season at Mizzou. Lamont Paris at South Carolina came on strong and probably should get a look for Arkansas. Leonard Hamilton is old as fuck. Tang maybe?
Quote from: animal on Apr 05, 2024, 06:41 AMDropping some names I think you'll see on the rise over the next few years...
Will Wade (McNeese)
Kim English (Providence)
Wes Miller (Cincinnati)
Grant McCasland (Texas Tech)
Bryce Drew (Grand Canyon) may get another p5 opportunity sooner rather than later
Takayo Siddle (UNCW)
Eric Konkol (Tulsa) ....built La Tech into a respectable program while there
KT Turner (UTA)
Casey Alexander (Belmont)
Bucky McMillan (Samford)
I always like to come back to these threads and see how wrong I am.
One semi interesting thing I see is most of the top programs either don't hire black guys or don't keep them very long. To include Michigan's Juwan Howard (he's had some blow ups there and Michigan historically is not bashful about firing) a stint that included some unimpressive overall records but a 1 elite 8 and 1 sweet 16 in a relative short period of time. Like Arkansas dropped like a rock.
Stackhouse sucked. Penny Hardaway looks lost as fuck most of the time. Meanwhile there are other guys who paid their dues that never get an opportunity.
I'm struggling to recall who is the best black guy head coach in college basketball right now. Surely it's not Rodney Terry or the dude that went to Georgetown from Providence. Dennis Gates flopped big time this season at Mizzou. Lamont Paris at South Carolina came on strong and probably should get a look for Arkansas. Leonard Hamilton is old as fuck. Tang maybe?
I was impressed with Siddle when his team came in here and kicked our ass. very well coached.
Quote from: animal on Apr 05, 2024, 06:41 AMOne semi interesting thing I see is most of the top programs either don't hire black guys or don't keep them very long. To include Michigan's Juwan Howard (he's had some blow ups there and Michigan historically is not bashful about firing) a stint that included some unimpressive overall records but a 1 elite 8 and 1 sweet 16 in a relative short period of time. Like Arkansas dropped like a rock.
Stackhouse sucked. Penny Hardaway looks lost as fuck most of the time. Meanwhile there are other guys who paid their dues that never get an opportunity.
I'm struggling to recall who is the best black guy head coach in college basketball right now. Surely it's not Rodney Terry or the dude that went to Georgetown from Providence. Dennis Gates flopped big time this season at Mizzou. Lamont Paris at South Carolina came on strong and probably should get a look for Arkansas. Leonard Hamilton is old as fuck. Tang maybe?
There's a coach at Houston that's been doing a hell of a job.
what the odds if Beard falls through that he tries to hire Sampson's kid who is the coach in waiting at Houston?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Apr 05, 2024, 08:23 AMwhat the odds if Beard falls through that he tries to hire Sampson's kid who is the coach in waiting at Houston?
Wouldn't surprise me a bit but I hope HY isn't that stupid.
Quote from: RPL on Apr 05, 2024, 08:22 AMThere's a coach at Houston that's been doing a hell of a job.
What if I told you Sampson ain't black. He is Lumbee.
Quote from: animal on Apr 05, 2024, 06:41 AMDropping some names I think you'll see on the rise over the next few years...
Will Wade (McNeese)
Kim English (Providence)
Wes Miller (Cincinnati)
Grant McCasland (Texas Tech)
Bryce Drew (Grand Canyon) may get another p5 opportunity sooner rather than later
Takayo Siddle (UNCW)
Eric Konkol (Tulsa) ....built La Tech into a respectable program while there
KT Turner (UTA)
Casey Alexander (Belmont)
Bucky McMillan (Samford)
I always like to come back to these threads and see how wrong I am.
One semi interesting thing I see is most of the top programs either don't hire black guys or don't keep them very long. To include Michigan's Juwan Howard (he's had some blow ups there and Michigan historically is not bashful about firing) a stint that included some unimpressive overall records but a 1 elite 8 and 1 sweet 16 in a relative short period of time. Like Arkansas dropped like a rock.
Stackhouse sucked. Penny Hardaway looks lost as fuck most of the time. Meanwhile there are other guys who paid their dues that never get an opportunity.
I'm struggling to recall who is the best black guy head coach in college basketball right now. Surely it's not Rodney Terry or the dude that went to Georgetown from Providence. Dennis Gates flopped big time this season at Mizzou. Lamont Paris at South Carolina came on strong and probably should get a look for Arkansas. Leonard Hamilton is old as fuck. Tang maybe?
Shaka Smart and Leonard Hamilton are probably the two best. I'm a big Lamont Paris fan too.
Quote from: RPL on Apr 05, 2024, 08:22 AMThere's a coach at Houston that's been doing a hell of a job.
Yeah but damn guy is old but I guess we could do a 5 year stint before he's dead.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 05, 2024, 08:40 AMShaka Smart and Leonard Hamilton are probably the two best. I'm a big Lamont Paris fan too.
Shaka is kinda black so that checks out.
I don't really believe he has a chance, but I am being told Darrell Walker is making a push for the job.
They may have to interview him before they hire Beard.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 05, 2024, 09:14 AMI don't really believe he has a chance, but I am being told Darrell Walker is making a push for the job.
They may have to interview him before they hire Beard.
My sources are telling me it's a done deal. Bringing Darrell home.
Quote from: Pighair on Apr 05, 2024, 09:20 AMMy sources are telling me it's a done deal. Bringing Darrell home.
Nah.
I always thought Kelvin Sampson was (part) Native American. Maybe due to his looks and he was at Oklahoma.
I don't think Porter Moser is Native American though. Definite whitey.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 05, 2024, 09:54 AMI always thought Kelvin Sampson was (part) Native American. Maybe due to his looks and he was at Oklahoma.
I don't think Porter Moser is Native American though. Definite whitey.
I told you what he is. He is from North Carolina.
I had to look it up but Sampson is part of an Indian (feather, not dot) tribe in NC. He and his wife are very engrained in that community. Also, apparently Kelvin was a better baseball player than basketball.
Fun facts.
Quote from: Pighair on Apr 05, 2024, 09:20 AMMy sources are telling me it's a done deal. Bringing Darrell home.
That would be the end of the circus part of my bread and circuses existence.
It's time for Hunter to go. I don't care about these other off brand candidates. His job was to convince one of the 10 best BB coaches to leave a school that doesn't give a shit about BB. You failed son, get your playbook and go see Coach in his office.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Apr 05, 2024, 03:21 PMIt's time for Hunter to go. I don't care about these other off brand candidates. His job was to convince one of the 10 best BB coaches to leave a school that doesn't give a shit about BB. You failed son, get your playbook and go see Coach in his office.
The naked truth.
He allegedly let lane kiffin go over $500k and allegedly wouldn't let beard sign without a non compete clause. Not sure I buy that, but if true, he is not competent to do the job.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Apr 05, 2024, 03:21 PMIt's time for Hunter to go. I don't care about these other off brand candidates. His job was to convince one of the 10 best BB coaches to leave a school that doesn't give a shit about BB. You failed son, get your playbook and go see Coach in his office.
His hires have crashed and burned.
Quote from: RazorB on Apr 05, 2024, 07:28 PMHis hires have crashed and burned.
I think Fayetvillians sums it up. I think he his Pittman support is waivering.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/04/05/with-chris-beard-out-where-do-the-hogs-turn-now/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/04/05/with-chris-beard-out-where-do-the-hogs-turn-now/)
Quote from: HogOfWar on Apr 05, 2024, 07:34 PMI think Fayetvillians sums it up. I think he his Pittman support is waivering.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/04/05/with-chris-beard-out-where-do-the-hogs-turn-now/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/04/05/with-chris-beard-out-where-do-the-hogs-turn-now/)
He seems to be excellent at identifying good coaches in all sports...
who?
Muss, Pittman, the tennis coach who get the DWI and resigned, the other tennis coach, Chris Johnson was basically picked by Harter but I guess he gets credit, the gym coach. 2 solids out of 6 isn't excellent.
he tends to get credit for Diefel and Hale but those were Long hires (also were announced without press conference - just a press release).
Quote from: Piggielicious on Apr 05, 2024, 07:26 PMHe allegedly let lane kiffin go over $500k and allegedly wouldn't let beard sign without a non compete clause. Not sure I buy that, but if true, he is not competent to do the job.
I am not sure I disagree with him on the non-compete clause. If you signed him without one, and he left for KY, most of you would be saying he should have had one.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 05, 2024, 10:00 PMI am not sure I disagree with him on the non-compete clause. If you signed him without one, and he left for KY, most of you would be saying he should have had one.
Arkansas isn't good enough of a program to be telling a top coach that wants the job that he has to sign a NC.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 05, 2024, 10:00 PMI am not sure I disagree with him on the non-compete clause. If you signed him without one, and he left for KY, most of you would be saying he should have had one.
no, he doesn't get that job if he's not winning big here. or a job at Duke, Kansas, UNC, - seriously, if you are winning big here what college job is better?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 05, 2024, 10:02 PMArkansas isn't good enough of a program to be telling a top coach that wants the job that he has to sign a NC.
Beard is a good coach. Not sure he is a "top coach." I don't really agree with your basic premise.
Fine, Beard isn't a top coach. He is the best coach Arkansas could have gotten at the moment. Now we are talking about fucking Walker.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 05, 2024, 10:10 PMFine, Beard isn't a top coach. He is the best coach Arkansas could have gotten at the moment. Now we are talking about fucking Walker.
Don't get me wrong. I think Beard would be a great hire. I also think it would be a mistake to hire another coach who might leave in a year or two.
HY seems more interested in winning the negotiating table than winning on the field.
Lots of stories in Texas from folks that know Beard from his Texas days believe he didn't reject Arkansas but withdrew due to background check concerns over alcohol issues, multiple DV incidents.
Regardless, fuck him.
Quote from: Texzilla on Apr 06, 2024, 01:37 AMLots of stories in Texas from folks that know Beard from his Texas days believe he didn't reject Arkansas but withdrew due to background check concerns over alcohol issues, multiple DV incidents.
Regardless, fuck him.
Didn't Eddie hit the bottle when he was here? Win and nobody cares.
Same ole same ole. Muss leaves and suddenly the local beat guys are saying he was sniffing panties every year he was here, but not a peep while he was still coach. Didn't get Beard...it was over "concerns" and non-competes. Didn't get Tang...clearly he's retarded.
So a couple of things here.
Florida went young with Todd Golden. He's a good one, made his way on the west coast circuit. He replaced Mike White which was a total WTF hire for them. Bama went young with Nate Oats, was that coming off Avery fucking Johnson?
Lots of schools have went young in recent years. There just aren't a lot of guys willing to move on from the P5 gigs especially in seasons where there doesn't look like a lot of bidding wars for coaches.
These coaching searches for Arkansas always go the same way regardless of the AD. Agents know Arkansas is an easy pay check and the people they represent don't even have to move! In fairness our last two basketball hires have been reasonably accomplished head coaches...we're due for either a dud or a younger less accomplished hire. This just happened to be a real bad time for that.
We're going to have to hire a retread, a formerly disgraced (Marshall or Wade), or go for a younger dude. I aint scared of Wade...if our BOT rejects that based on "what it looks like" then I say we go for whomever does the best in interviews and has a fairly good mid-major track record. #trusttheprocess
https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-infractions-lsu-will-wade-iarp-05bf7c912298a4c8fe0bb1fa4189e94a
Read this and tell me Wade is a realistic choice. Unless things have changed since this article I cannot fathom Arkansas hiring this guy.
More names to toss against the wall...I'm not done yet. I feel like if I post enough maybe the ChatGPT search firm will spider this information back to headquarters.
Bryan Hodgson was on the Oats staff at Bama and Buffalo, current A-State coach. Got them to 20 wins in Year 1. Maybe a bit young for the prime time but could be a guy moving up the ladder.
Mark Pope...maybe time to get him a raise too.
Daniyal Robinson (think he worked under Moser as well as played under him) Known as an excellent recruiter.
Josh Schertz (Indiana State) fixing to be Saint Louis coach
Keith Smart (if we're down to this shit maybe give Smart a shot?)
Bucky McMillan (Samford)
Amir Abdur-Rahim (South Florida 25 wins year 1), built Kennesaw State into...something
Ryan Odom (VCU) moving up the ranks, son of Dave Odom who was a long time head coach.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 05, 2024, 10:00 PMI am not sure I disagree with him on the non-compete clause. If you signed him without one, and he left for KY, most of you would be saying he should have had one.
It's unfortunate that the board at large isn't as smart or enlightened as you and Yuracheck.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Apr 06, 2024, 08:14 AMIt's unfortunate that the board at large isn't as smart or enlightened as you and Yuracheck.
There are a few people on this board who refuse to admit Yurachek is a fucking disaster.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Apr 06, 2024, 08:14 AMIt's unfortunate that the board at large isn't as smart or enlightened as you and Yuracheck.
I would tend to believe a non-compete within conference is pretty standard but maybe not. Didn't Muss have a non-compete with everyone but his alma-mater? How'd that work out
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Apr 06, 2024, 08:14 AMIt's unfortunate that the board at large isn't as smart or enlightened as you and Yuracheck.
Tell me I am wrong. Tell me you would be fine with Beard coming to Arkansas for one year, maybe two, and then leaving for KY.
And I don't really know anything about an alcohol issue, so I am not even taking that into consideration.
Quote from: animal on Apr 06, 2024, 08:40 AMI would tend to believe a non-compete within conference is pretty standard but maybe not. Didn't Muss have a non-compete with everyone but his alma-mater? How'd that work out
Worked out pretty well for 5 years. And USC isn't his Alma-mater.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 06, 2024, 08:48 AMWorked out pretty well for 5 years. And USC isn't his Alma-mater.
I wasn't implying that it was
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 05, 2024, 11:40 PMDon't get me wrong. I think Beard would be a great hire. I also think it would be a mistake to hire another coach who might leave in a year or two.
I agree. But let's face it, Arkansas isn't a destination job anymore. We are a stepping stone to most coaches. We can't worry about what happens in 2 years. We need to win next year. Whoever can do that should be hired.
Look at our current situation. We kept Muss for 5 years, had 3 sweet 16s and 2 elite 8s, and we are an absolute dumpster fire that no one of quality wants to come to now.
Clarifying my stepping stone comment: there are less than 10 schools nationally that can realistically get and keep a coach for more than 5 years. Arkansas ain't one of those for a multitude of reasons. That isn't a knock on Arkansas. It just is what it is.
Go get the best guy you can get. Period.
Well, let's see. We have about two players who are returning next year. We got very publicly dumped by our coach. We have one of the better coaches in the game who wants our job. We have big money boosters who want that coach and who are willing to open up the NIL coffers for him, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL FIELD A DECENT TEAM NEXT YEAR. The portal opens up in a week if we don't have a coach by then, and one that excites both recruits and the fans and their money, we're fucked.
You know all that and you have a guy ready to sign up, and you blow it all up over a noncompete clause.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 06, 2024, 08:57 AMI agree. But let's face it, Arkansas isn't a destination job anymore. We are a stepping stone to most coaches. We can't worry about what happens in 2 years. We need to win next year. Whoever can do that should be hired.
Look at our current situation. We kept Muss for 5 years, had 3 sweet 16s and 2 elite 8s, and we are an absolute dumpster fire that no one of quality wants to come to now.
That's a very
prisoner of the moment kind of mentality.
I think whenever a coach voluntarily leaves for a lateral at best job after a
successful run it's going to give coaches pause, add in the HY flub up and you'll have your situations where the best available aren't beating down the door. NIL could very well be THE Problem as it seems to be an issue at various schools that suddenly dropped like a rock or it could be the tiny Arkansuk mentality creeping in from the fragile fan base.
My feelings on the matter haven't really changed much. I felt like Muss would have stayed at Arkansas until he decided he wasn't likely to win a championship here. I think conference teams had him figured out. The refs weren't going to listen to his midget ass barking at them. He's going to go to the Big 10 and probably get his ass handed to him though but he'll have another clock of 5 years or so and sunny stinky SOCAL. By then he'll be looking at nearing retirement age
Like most of these searches I think you can probably believe about 50% (or less) of what is being reported. That means Beard was real at the interest on UA's part. I can totally believe the UA people thought they had it in the bag. Walker's interest in the UA is probably real and he probably did get a courtesy minority interview special. Tang was a name everyone on here was ok with a week ago and yesterday suddenly he was trash. I can believe he wasn't really a target and invented by the beat writers for clickbait. His agent used all that shit and got that guy a raise...that's what agents do.
Is HY completely out of his element? We'll find out with this hire. Maybe we go cheap knowing there is a strong chance we have to go big on a football search by the fall. If that's the case I'm betting HY isn't the one shopping.
I think it is important to note that we don't know if the NC even was real.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 06, 2024, 08:59 AMClarifying my stepping stone comment: there are less than 10 schools nationally that can realistically get and keep a coach for more than 5 years. Arkansas ain't one of those for a multitude of reasons. That isn't a knock on Arkansas. It just is what it is.
Go get the best guy you can get. Period.
CFN has an article today about the top 50 basketball schools. The criteria they used were 20 win seasons and NC's. We ranked #23. Illinois was just ahead of us. Also ahead of us were Okie St (20), Utah (T18), Memphis (17), ND (13) and BYU (11). Top 10 were obvious.
I disagree with the "we are Arkansas, we can expect less" attitude. But that's just me.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Apr 06, 2024, 09:23 AMCFN has an article today about the top 50 basketball schools. The criteria they used were 20 win seasons and NC's. We ranked #23. Illinois was just ahead of us. Also ahead of us were Okie St (20), Utah (T18), Memphis (17), ND (13) and BYU (11). Top 10 were obvious.
Weird. I don't know that we are TOP 10 job and probably haven't been in a decade or two. That being said it's still in my mind a TOP 20 job especially given our recent deep runs in the dance. Memphis, Notre Dame, and a couple others may win a lot in the regular season but haven't really done shit lately.
In basketball especially you can win even from a mid-major. We've had mid-majors and high seeds get all the way to the final four in recent years so much so that it's not even a fluke thing anymore. This parity creates situations where coaches can get paid very well and not move around as much.
If you look at the list of current college basketball coaches there is an overwhelming amount of turnover since 2021. Simply put I don't know that a lot of coaches are ready to bounce from their gigs. You'll have guys that are one or two and done because they can't turn down the money at a big gig and that's what will happen for Arkansas' eventual hire most likely. We'll either over pay for an established coach like Smart, McDermont, Dixon or we'll spin the wheel on a younger guy. Possibly Wade if he's even hireable. If Wade cannot even recruit during the summer isn't that like a bad thing?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 06, 2024, 08:59 AMClarifying my stepping stone comment: there are less than 10 schools nationally that can realistically get and keep a coach for more than 5 years. Arkansas ain't one of those for a multitude of reasons. That isn't a knock on Arkansas. It just is what it is.
Go get the best guy you can get. Period.
I disagree that we can't keep a coach for that long, or that we can't be a destination job, at least in basketball.
But you're right that we can't make that a consideration in hiring. Hire the best we can find regardless of ties to this or any other school. If he wins enough and isn't a complete nomad it's likely that he will stay as long as we want, with only a small handful of jobs having the ability to entice him to leave.
Just find someone who can lock our im state talent up in 2025 and 2026. We need to get Burgess, Sealy, and Shawn Andrews son. I think Muss was going to whiff on all of those guys unless Ronnie saved him.
Notre Dame just has to get sucked off in every sport, it seems. They haven't won a championship in almost 100 years (pre-NCAA tournament), only has 1 final four (1978), and has won 64% of their games. They've also been playing basketball 30 years longer than us.
I would agree that we're top 20 at worst. Obviously the post Nolan era to pre Muss era knocked us down a bit, but Muss is right that we can win after him. Arkansas basketball is not Arkansas football. We produce enough good in state talent that you can develop a solid team around, especially with the transfer portal now.
Arkansas can be a destination job. We're not a blue blood, but we're just as good of a job as anyone outside of that.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 06, 2024, 09:27 AMI disagree with the "we are Arkansas, we can expect less" attitude. But that's just me.
who is expecting less? I'm arguing that we should go get the best coach we can. You are arguing we shouldn't hire that guy because despite him having no ties to Kentucky he might leave in two years.
Why would he do that if we are one of the best programs?
Name a coach at random, if he kicked enough ass here and Kentucky was looking to hire a coach in two years it's highly likely they would come after that coach. Worrying about Beard going to Kentucky in two years is a dopey argument for not wanting Beard.
I can see not wanting 2 coaches leaving you for another school two years apart, one being an inferior USC. Kentucky makes sense, but not USC.
Quote from: animal on Apr 06, 2024, 09:19 AMLike most of these searches I think you can probably believe about 50% (or less) of what is being reported. That means Beard was real at the interest on UA's part. I can totally believe the UA people thought they had it in the bag. Walker's interest in the UA is probably real and he probably did get a courtesy minority interview special. Tang was a name everyone on here was ok with a week ago and yesterday suddenly he was trash. I can believe he wasn't really a target and invented by the beat writers for clickbait. His agent used all that shit and got that guy a raise...that's what agents do.
Is HY completely out of his element? We'll find out with this hire. Maybe we go cheap knowing there is a strong chance we have to go big on a football search by the fall. If that's the case I'm betting HY isn't the one shopping.
Tang's $6MM buyout tells me he was never an option. We're not paying that.
Yeah I still don't believe a non-compete was what shut that down. Maybe a large buyout package did. Maybe Ole Miss cupped his balls for him. Who the fuck knows. We didn't get him. 100% of the time when people come out and say it's in the bag...fails every time on the 1st name. Save for maybe Mike Anderson.
Quote from: flash23 on Apr 06, 2024, 10:05 AMI can see not wanting 2 coaches leaving you for another school two years apart, one being an inferior USC. Kentucky makes sense, but not USC.
I'd rather risk that than be in a situation like we are in football where we suck and we're stuck with a lame duck coach no one wants.
Even looking at a couple of schools with better prestige than us, UCONN and UNC both hired relatively low profile coaches. I'm sure they had did their homework, had their short lists, whatever, but even those top 10 schools weren't plucking p5 coaches, just doesn't typically work like that. We've never done that in the past. Wasn't how we got Eddie or Nolan. Go find the right guy that's a good fit and they will want to build and put their stamp on a program and typically stay put so long as you pay them well and give them the resources needed, which we do. I think Muss is an outlier in that he hops around,even when successful and paid competitively.
We're not in a position we were post Nolan with a cloud hanging over our program, but this is a critical hire, where you don't want to end up with a John Failphrey. There's plenty of good options and this is why an AD makes a shit ton of money.
Quote from: piglosopher on Apr 06, 2024, 12:10 AMHY seems more interested in winning the negotiating table than winning on the field.
He fucked up the kiffin hire and the Beard hire twice.
He needs to understand the coaches that you want have all the power and leverage and he's just the dumbass that gets to call the shots because somebody has to be.
Until he realizes that and starts acting accordingly, he's going to be a shitty ad.
Quote from: animal on Apr 06, 2024, 07:55 AMMore names to toss against the wall...I'm not done yet. I feel like if I post enough maybe the ChatGPT search firm will spider this information back to headquarters.
Bryan Hodgson was on the Oats staff at Bama and Buffalo, current A-State coach. Got them to 20 wins in Year 1. Maybe a bit young for the prime time but could be a guy moving up the ladder.
Mark Pope...maybe time to get him a raise too.
Daniyal Robinson (think he worked under Moser as well as played under him) Known as an excellent recruiter.
Josh Schertz (Indiana State) fixing to be Saint Louis coach
Keith Smart (if we're down to this shit maybe give Smart a shot?)
Bucky McMillan (Samford)
Amir Abdur-Rahim (South Florida 25 wins year 1), built Kennesaw State into...something
Ryan Odom (VCU) moving up the ranks, son of Dave Odom who was a long time head coach.
Hunter should hire you instead of a search firm
Could y'all imagine our fanbase trying to pronounce Amir Abdur
Quote from: BASS on Apr 06, 2024, 10:15 AMHe fucked up the kiffin hire and the Beard hire twice.
He needs to understand the coaches that you want have all the power and leverage and he's just the dumbass that gets to call the shots because somebody has to be.
Until he realizes that and starts acting accordingly, he's going to be a shitty ad.
He negotiates like the coaches owe us something. These guys already have "fuck you" money and don't need much excuse to say it and stay where they are.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 06, 2024, 09:22 AMI think it is important to note that we don't know if the NC even was real.
We don't know jack shit about what's going on behind the scenes. Most everybody on this board is getting upset over a bunch of internet speculation. HY is getting raked over the coals because of a bunch of hyperspace bullshit. I would suggest some of you take the strongest chill pill you can find until the hire is done and then you can bitch, cry, wail, and moan to your heart's content. I'm not a big HY fan because of the Pittman extension, but until the hire is made, I'm not ready to call him a disaster either.
In today's game, NIL rules and because of that, a lot of power has been taken out of the AD's hands and has been given to the boosters. Booster A will give $$$ for certain coaches, but not others. Booster B doesn't like the coaches booster A does and will only give $$$ for other coaches, and so on and so on. The AD has been relegated to trying to hire the coach that would attract the most NIL money.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Apr 06, 2024, 11:24 AMWe don't know jack shit about what's going on behind the scenes. Most everybody on this board is getting upset over a bunch of internet speculation. HY is getting raked over the coals because of a bunch of hyperspace bullshit. I would suggest some of you take the strongest chill pill you can find until the hire is done and then you can bitch, cry, wail, and moan to your heart's content. I'm not a big HY fan because of the Pittman extension, but until the hire is made, I'm not ready to call him a disaster either.
In today's game, NIL rules and because of that, a lot of power has been taken out of the AD's hands and has been given to the boosters. Booster A will give $$$ for certain coaches, but not others. Booster B doesn't like the coaches booster A does and will only give $$$ for other coaches, and so on and so on. The AD has been relegated to trying to hire the coach that would attract the most NIL money.
100%
And our boosters are mostly retarded
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Apr 06, 2024, 11:24 AMWe don't know jack shit about what's going on behind the scenes. Most everybody on this board is getting upset over a bunch of internet speculation. HY is getting raked over the coals because of a bunch of hyperspace bullshit. I would suggest some of you take the strongest chill pill you can find until the hire is done and then you can bitch, cry, wail, and moan to your heart's content. I'm not a big HY fan because of the Pittman extension, but until the hire is made, I'm not ready to call him a disaster either.
In today's game, NIL rules and because of that, a lot of power has been taken out of the AD's hands and has been given to the boosters. Booster A will give $$$ for certain coaches, but not others. Booster B doesn't like the coaches booster A does and will only give $$$ for other coaches, and so on and so on. The AD has been relegated to trying to hire the coach that would attract the most NIL money.
This. As a program we have everything a good coach needs to win. It's a top 20 program with solid tradition but enough distance from Nolan and Eddie to make new traditions. The money is great. Great place to raise a family in a day wives don't have to move every year or two.
It has been knocked a kilter by NIL and the portal, and the importance of boosters. It's the problem with the ncaa rules. They have created a monster.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 06, 2024, 10:00 AMName a coach at random, if he kicked enough ass here and Kentucky was looking to hire a coach in two years it's highly likely they would come after that coach. Worrying about Beard going to Kentucky in two years is a dopey argument for not wanting Beard.
Didn't Nolan come right after Eddie crawled to Lexington? Let's do the 2020's version of that.
NIL IS NOT the problem with the NCAA and their rules. It is explicitly why they resisted it and had such strict rules for amateurism for so long. They knew, and really anyone with a brain should have known, that once that door was opened it would very quickly end up where we are.
The problem was that the NCAA product got so successful and there was so much money in the sport, it became too much of a dichotomy between massive television deals, coaching salaries, and gold plated facilities verses relatively poor athletes from mostly impoverished backgrounds.
The Beard to KY arguement is weak. I admit I used to think that way in hiring about trying to land someone who was going to stay. Later my boss explained to me this way, "would you rather..."
A. Have the best hire, other people want him, and you have to work hard to keep him for as long as you can
B. Have a mediocre hire, that nobody else wants, and you work hard to get rid of him when you get tired of average.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Apr 06, 2024, 12:03 PMThe Beard to KY arguement is weak. I admit I used to think that way in hiring about trying to land someone who was going to stay. Later my boss explained to me this way, "would you rather..."
A. Have the best hire, other people want him, and you have to work hard to keep him for as long as you can
B. Have a mediocre hire, that nobody else wants, and you work hard to get rid of him when you get tired of average.
It's far more likely Beard will opt to wait on the Kentucky job where he will compete with someone like Oats and perhaps some other hot name by then. May be his reason for not moving but also having just moved it's a bit of a deal to keep uprooting for what he may view as a lateral job.
I'd take Oats over Beard.
Quote from: flash23 on Apr 06, 2024, 10:05 AMI can see not wanting 2 coaches leaving you for another school two years apart, one being an inferior USC. Kentucky makes sense, but not USC.
USC makes sense for Musselman & family, personally. Basketball wise, if he takes them to ONE Sweet Sixteen he's a hero.
Has anyone monitored the athletic department incoming mail to see if Greg Gard has written?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 06, 2024, 12:42 PMUSC makes sense for Musselman & family, personally. Basketball wise, if he takes them to ONE Sweet Sixteen he's a hero.
Has anyone monitored the athletic department incoming mail to see if Greg Gard has written?
Greg Gard I'd take right about now. We'd at least make it to some Texas Bowls.
Quote from: animal on Apr 06, 2024, 12:54 PMGreg Gard I'd take right about now. We'd at least make it to some Texas Bowls.
There are a lot of guys i would take right now....It is not like Beard is the be all end all of coaching.....and yes, I think he does a great job.....
McDermott if he would consider leaving Creighton...good hire
Gard if he would consider leaving Whiskey....although the Razorback contingent may keel over when they see a team run a structured offense with ball reversal.....
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 06, 2024, 12:41 PMI'd take Oats over Beard.
Doesn't matter what you'd take. Oats wouldn't take us
Quote from: Jostlyn mcCocksack on Apr 06, 2024, 01:27 PMThere are a lot of guys i would take right now....It is not like Beard is the be all end all of coaching.....and yes, I think he does a great job.....
McDermott if he would consider leaving Creighton...good hire
Gard if he would consider leaving Whiskey....although the Razorback contingent may keel over when they see a team run a structured offense with ball reversal.....
If that's the case please let it be Gard!
Gardalmighty?
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 06, 2024, 01:37 PMDoesn't matter what you'd take. Oats wouldn't take us
Oh I know. I meant if KY opened up.
Who you got? I'm talking no bull shit coaches we could land.
Me: (no particular order but ordered anyway) You ever notice how it's never any coach we ever name on these lists?
1. Lamont Paris
2. Will Wade
3. Buck McMillian
4. Greg Gard (has a brother he just hired to his staff...I mean that's practically a requirement at Ark)
5. Shakka Smart
6. Lon Kruger's boy
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 06, 2024, 08:47 AMTell me I am wrong. Tell me you would be fine with Beard coming to Arkansas for one year, maybe two, and then leaving for KY.
And I don't really know anything about an alcohol issue, so I am not even taking that into consideration.
Yes, I would be fine. If he is winning enough to be attractive to them then we are in good shape
Quote from: animal on Apr 06, 2024, 02:37 PMWho you got? I'm talking no bull shit coaches we could land.
Me: (no particular order but ordered anyway) You ever notice how it's never any coach we ever name on these lists?
1. Lamont Paris
2. Will Wade
3. Buck McMillian
4. Greg Gard (has a brother he just hired to his staff...I mean that's practically a requirement at Ark)
5. Shakka Smart
6. Lon Kruger's boy
I don't get the love for McMillan. What am I missing?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 06, 2024, 08:32 PMI don't get the love for McMillan. What am I missing?
Style of play.
I'll have to watch them. Resume feels like Heath 2.0.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 06, 2024, 08:55 PMI'll have to watch them. Resume feels like Heath 2.0.
Same. Guy was literally a high school coach for years and has 4 years college experience. That being said, he has improved them each year.
2020–21 Samford 6–13 2–9 10th
2021–22 Samford 21–11 10–8 T–3rd
2022–23 Samford 21–11 15–3 T–1st
2023–24 Samford 29–6 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
I guess the same possible trajectory as Nate Oats. High school coach, 4 years at Buffalo, and now in the final 4 with Alabama.
Go find the tourney game this year when they played Kansas. Got robbed at the end by the refs.
https://x.com/kysportsradio/status/1777165092452176171?s=46&t=OPhlTxiRgN6f8PFuffKBOg
Is this for real?
Quote from: mr.zorak on Apr 07, 2024, 09:59 PMhttps://x.com/kysportsradio/status/1777165092452176171?s=46&t=OPhlTxiRgN6f8PFuffKBOg
Is this for real?
It's all over TwiXter.
I'll say this, Hunter is one lucky muthafucka to have John Tyson save his mid ass like this. I guess we're officially a BB school now. We'll be in the national media spotlight as long as Cal is here. One thing about Cal is that he ain't rebuilding shit, he's winning right fucking now, we'll be getting some dudes in the portal. It's honestly hard to believe this is happening and I don't care what spoiled ass Kensucky fans have to say.
cal will probably bring his entire 2024 class. jayden quaintance, 5* #2 center has apparently tweeted he's coming along with him.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 07, 2024, 11:58 PMcal will probably bring his entire 2024 class. jayden quaintance, 5* #2 center has apparently tweeted he's coming along with him.
It wouldn't surprise me if all four 5* come with him and some high-end portal guys, too.
This guy was distracted from his shootaround when he heard there's a new opening at his alma mater. It's time to bring him home...
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Talking heads this morning said Oats has an 18 million dollar buyout and is unlikely KY pony's up. They got nothing right now though...talking Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino, and one moron suggested Buzz Williams.
I don't have a clue who they turn to but you almost have to answer shots fired with violence so I half way expect them to pull a big name.
Quote from: animal on Apr 08, 2024, 06:41 AMTalking heads this morning said Oats has an 18 million dollar buyout and is unlikely KY pony's up. They got nothing right now though...talking Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino, and one moron suggested Buzz Williams.
I don't have a clue who they turn to but you almost have to answer shots fired with violence so I half way expect them to pull a big name.
They're going to learn the hard way that blue blood coaching searches don't usually go how they want them to go.
Kentucky fans won't be satisfied with anyone less than Danny Hurley.
they saved $33 million by not having to pay cal. it's still kentucky and they will spend money on basketball, i doubt they will have to go very far down their list.
Kentucky is the best basketball job in the country. I think they'll find a good coach.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 08, 2024, 07:50 AMKentucky is the best basketball job in the country. I think they'll find a good coach.
Biggest negative will be that they ran off a HOFer. Pressure cooker.
Oats has a $18 mil buyout. Hurley and Drew will get approached.
Lots of folks getting fat raises if they play it right.
All of this started with SMU hiring USC's coach, remember that.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 08, 2024, 11:51 AMAll of this started with SMU hiring USC's coach, remember that.
All true. And I fucking hate USC's current coach.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 08, 2024, 11:53 AMAll true. And I fucking hate USC's current coach.
Same, didn't appreciate at all that he was being paid incredibly well in an elite job. If Menifield's comment is true... yuck. Wish him the worst.
Why in the world would Hurley leave Connecticut? He's about to win back-to-back national championships tonight. He has a machine there. He's a Northeasterner. Money can't be the only thing, and even so Connecticut has plenty of it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 08, 2024, 11:58 AMWhy in the world would Hurley leave Connecticut? He's about to win back-to-back national championships tonight. He has a machine there. He's a Northeasterner. Money can't be the only thing, and even so Connecticut has plenty of it.
I don't think he will, but he's about to double his salary if he's making $5 mil.
UK fans think they get him.
Not sure why Drew is still at Baylor, they can't pay UK money but he may feel comfortable there. They will pay him forever in Waco.
https://twitter.com/TristanUda/status/1777210598637355430
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 08, 2024, 11:55 AMSame, didn't appreciate at all that he was being paid incredibly well in an elite job. If Menifield's comment is true... yuck. Wish him the worst.
What Menifield comment? I missed that.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Apr 08, 2024, 01:39 PMWhat Menifield comment? I missed that.
Said people were blaming the season on the players when the coaches had checked out because they were leaving.
We do have a precedent (2012 football).
I know they are kids at the end of the day but I never want to hear a mostly grown man say "coaches didn't care so why should we". How about pride and self accountability.
I do believe deep down Muss tanked the season.
Quote from: animal on Apr 08, 2024, 03:49 PMI do believe deep down Muss tanked the season.
I hope he gets a weepy skin fungus and really smelly toe jam.
What does Matt Painter's contract look like? I don't know that he really fits what Kentucky looks for but hell who knows.
Dennis Gates picked a really bad year to turn in a Cleveland steamer of shit, he was on a trajectory toward bigger and better gigs than Missouri. One bad year can really set a feller back.
Quote from: animal on Apr 08, 2024, 04:03 PMOne bad year can really set a feller back.
I dunno, sometimes it can take you from bumfuck backwater Arkinsaw to the bright lights of LA.
It must be a good feeling to have "fuck you" money and be able to change the moods of so many people.
By my count Nolan was 60 years old upon his exit because he was old and washed up, lost that fire in his belly. My how times have changed. We just hired a 65 year old who saved face by leaving Kentucky without them having to fire him and will likely be semi-retired while working at Arkansas. Must be nice for a white man to get paid that well to cruise into his golden years. :))
Quote from: animal on Apr 08, 2024, 05:21 PMBy my count Nolan was 60 years old upon his exit because he was old and washed up, lost that fire in his belly. My how times have changed. We just hired a 65 year old who saved face by leaving Kentucky without them having to fire him and will likely be semi-retired while working at Arkansas. Must be nice for a white man to get paid that well to cruise into his golden years. :))
Nolan was wedded to a system that rules changes kept from being as effective, and refused to recruit in a world that had moved on from high schools to AAU teams and handlers.
He didn't adapt.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 08, 2024, 05:30 PMNolan was wedded to a system that rules changes kept from being as effective, and refused to recruit in a world that had moved on from high schools to AAU teams and handlers.
He didn't adapt.
That's very true and he taught Mike Anderson to not adapt too. Mike probably would have been better off staying at Missouri instead of coming back and playing the part.
Quote from: animal on Apr 08, 2024, 05:38 PMThat's very true and he taught Mike Anderson to not adapt too. Mike probably would have been better off staying at Missouri instead of coming back and playing the part.
NGL, still confused about why it worked better at UAB and Missouri and didn't work here.
I don't think it was lack of effort on his part, and he had far better resources here.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 08, 2024, 11:55 AMSame, didn't appreciate at all that he was being paid incredibly well in an elite job. If Menifield's comment is true... yuck. Wish him the worst.
NM
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 08, 2024, 05:30 PMNolan was wedded to a system that rules changes kept from being as effective, and refused to recruit in a world that had moved on from high schools to AAU teams and handlers.
He didn't adapt.
So far you could say the same about Calipari and not adapting to bringing in older portal players. His system of freshmen only isn't working these days. Hopefully he can adapt here.
Oats issues a statement to stay at Bama
Quote from: Usafhawg on Apr 08, 2024, 07:32 PMSo far you could say the same about Calipari and not adapting to bringing in older portal players. His system of freshmen only isn't working these days. Hopefully he can adapt here.
Two years ago he had one of the oldest rosters in the game with several transfers. He's been adapting.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 08, 2024, 07:50 AMKentucky is the best basketball job in the country. I think they'll find a good coach.
Let's hope they find another long line of Billy Gillespies.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 08, 2024, 08:09 PMOats issues a statement to stay at Bama
He got shitty advice, or UK's first offer was too low.
For you basketball gurus...Who's UK's #1 target? Man that's gonna be a tough gig to follow.
Donovan has to be a joke. He's been out of the game too long.
Quote from: TC on Apr 08, 2024, 11:03 PMHe got shitty advice, or UK's first offer was too low.
For you basketball gurus...Who's UK's #1 target? Man that's gonna be a tough gig to follow.
Donovan has to be a joke. He's been out of the game too long.
Scott Drew
I don't think Donovan is the answer either. NIL + transfer portal = a lot more work for college coaches. NBA is a much easier job these days. Even to your point, I don't see him coming in and having immediate success.
Drew is not overwhelming. He's a decent coach but would be a step rdown from Cal in my opinion. I think KY will regret pushing Cal out.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 09, 2024, 08:22 AMI don't think Donovan is the answer either. NIL + transfer portal = a lot more work for college coaches. NBA is a much easier job these days. Even to your point, I don't see him coming in and having immediate success.
Drew is not overwhelming. He's a decent coach but would be a step rdown from Cal in my opinion. I think KY will regret pushing Cal out.
NBA is easier except for the whole 82+ games thing. He's also not exactly setting the world on fire in Chicago.
Drew makes the most sense.
Donovan would have to end his NBA job early to take that job. I don't even think he wants college ball anymore.
Jay Wright might be a possibility but I don't think he wants back into the fire.
That leaves Pearl, Beard, McDermott, maybe dude at Illinois. Oats has already turned it down.
And then you get into a slew of mid majors and underwhelming P5 coaches...
If Beard misses on this he's going to regret not taking the Arkansas gig. His name isn't even being mentioned.
Quote from: animal on Apr 09, 2024, 08:43 AMDrew makes the most sense.
Donovan would have to end his NBA job early to take that job. I don't even think he wants college ball anymore.
Jay Wright might be a possibility but I don't think he wants back into the fire.
That leaves Pearl, Beard, McDermott, maybe dude at Illinois. Oats has already turned it down.
And then you get into a slew of mid majors and underwhelming P5 coaches...
If Beard misses on this he's going to regret not taking the Arkansas gig. His name isn't even being mentioned.
If we really knew Cal was interested as soon as Muss resigned, was Beard ever really an option? Or did he just use our "interest" to get another raise and more NIL out of Ole Miss?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 08, 2024, 08:09 PMOats issues a statement to stay at Bama
Quote from: TC on Apr 08, 2024, 11:03 PMHe got shitty advice, or UK's first offer was too low.
For you basketball gurus...Who's UK's #1 target? Man that's gonna be a tough gig to follow.
I've seen several interviews with Oats. He's a great coach, but he doesn't have the personality needed for that job.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 09, 2024, 08:46 AMIf we really knew Cal was interested as soon as Muss resigned, was Beard ever really an option? Or did he just use our "interest" to get another raise and more NIL out of Ole Miss?
And I'm perfectly fine with the latter, if that was what happened. We get a coach that can get the job done (or at the very least put us in a much better position of strength than Muss left us in for when we have to do this all again in a few years) and make contracts around the league a little more expensive so that it hopefully tightens the purse strings in other sports. Win win allaround.
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Apr 09, 2024, 09:29 AMAnd I'm perfectly fine with the latter, if that was what happened. We get a coach that can get the job done (or at the very least put us in a much better position of strength than Muss left us in for when we have to do this all again in a few years) and make contracts around the league a little more expensive so that it hopefully tightens the purse strings in other sports. Win win allaround.
Plus, if it works out, maybe it convinces one of the major boosters to give it a try in football.
I think Muss was quietly pushed out the door especially when it was apparent he was halfway out the door.
They weren't going to pony up to a coach that hit his ceiling in their estimation is what it tells me. I think whatever went down didn't sit well with certain people with fuck you money but this was a disconnect that probably started as much as a couple years ago.
Another aspect of Cal is don't underestimate his ability to get big money on board...could potentially sway some Walton's to even give a fuck.
To follow up animals post without quoting it,
Cal seems like he could sell ketchup Popsicles to ladies wearing white gloves.
Quote from: BASS on Apr 09, 2024, 12:00 PMTo follow up animals post without quoting it,
Cal seems like he could sell ketchup Popsicles to ladies wearing white gloves.
Someone posted this on reddit and I thought it was pretty good...
Thoughts on Cal from a Memphis fan and Hog supporter
I'm a Memphis alum and lifelong Tiger basketball fan. However, both parents and many other relatives are Arkansas grads so I've always pulled for the Hogs.
First off, great hire! I don't think Yurachek could have done better and he deserves a lot of credit. This is a bold hire that I think will pay off.
I was in the front row for the full John Calipari experience at Memphis. Good, Bad, and everything in between. So as a PSA I'd like to give some idea of what you can expect in the coming weeks, months, and years.
Cal will win you over quickly. I have never before or since seen someone with such a gift of persuasion. He would be the top salesperson in any industry in the world. In fact, when boiled down, that's really what he is...a salesperson. He has just chosen to apply it in basketball.
Cal has no shame. He will repeat demonstrably false statements over and over until you start to question reality. He's the original gaslighter. This will grow old.
Cal will get players. Go back and take a look at his rosters for the last 20 years at Memphis and UK. It's actually quite striking that he's only won one national championship with that slew of talent. Put some of that Tyson/Walmart money behind him and watch out!
Cal will disappoint you. He will lose games that he shouldn't. He can get out coached, and his teams tend to have the same weaknesses year after year.
He's probably got another 5-6 good years left and NOBODY holds a grudge like Cal. It will end badly. It has everywhere else he's been. This will be no exception. But he may have just enough left in the tank for one more NC.
How often does a coach leaving a school end well?
Quote from: Cornhogio on Apr 09, 2024, 01:38 PMHow often does a coach leaving a school end well?
Kentucky's probably doing cartwheels I mean Cal is a washed up coach but he's our washed up coach now.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Apr 09, 2024, 01:38 PMHow often does a coach leaving a school end well?
He's likely done coaching after here anyway. We have plenty of experience handling coaches leaving on bad terms either way.
He's still a legend, there's no bigger name alive in college basketball. It's a win off the court and for the razorback basketball brand more than anything. Instant impact in legitimacy, recognition, recruiting, fund raising, you name it. Cal is good as it gets there.
That said, he probably will mirror his last 5 years at Kentucky. I do hope differently and he comes in with a fresh strategy, less one and dones and more utilizing the transfer portal. If he can model our teams to look like UConn, yeah that'd be great. Who wouldn't want that.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 09, 2024, 12:18 PMSomeone posted this on reddit and I thought it was pretty good...
Thoughts on Cal from a Memphis fan and Hog supporter
I'm a Memphis alum and lifelong Tiger basketball fan. However, both parents and many other relatives are Arkansas grads so I've always pulled for the Hogs.
First off, great hire! I don't think Yurachek could have done better and he deserves a lot of credit. This is a bold hire that I think will pay off.
I was in the front row for the full John Calipari experience at Memphis. Good, Bad, and everything in between. So as a PSA I'd like to give some idea of what you can expect in the coming weeks, months, and years.
Cal will win you over quickly. I have never before or since seen someone with such a gift of persuasion. He would be the top salesperson in any industry in the world. In fact, when boiled down, that's really what he is...a salesperson. He has just chosen to apply it in basketball.
Cal has no shame. He will repeat demonstrably false statements over and over until you start to question reality. He's the original gaslighter. This will grow old.
Cal will get players. Go back and take a look at his rosters for the last 20 years at Memphis and UK. It's actually quite striking that he's only won one national championship with that slew of talent. Put some of that Tyson/Walmart money behind him and watch out!
Cal will disappoint you. He will lose games that he shouldn't. He can get out coached, and his teams tend to have the same weaknesses year after year.
He's probably got another 5-6 good years left and NOBODY holds a grudge like Cal. It will end badly. It has everywhere else he's been. This will be no exception. But he may have just enough left in the tank for one more NC.
It's like this guy was in my head reading my thoughts on Cal.
If we get a couple final fours and a title out of it, he can burn it down on the way out the door. We'll recover.
The phenomenon of other fans thinking they need to warn us about a coach is really tired.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Apr 09, 2024, 01:38 PMHow often does a coach leaving a school end well?
Roy Williams.
The modern reality is going to hit hard when popular coaches make their exit the players will be hitting the exit too. I know of Arkansas and Louisville that got that criteria currently and probably others.
Then you'll start seeing players getting butt hurt when said former coach or new coach doesn't give them the time of day.
Quote from: The Cowboy Tiger on Apr 09, 2024, 02:07 PMThe phenomenon of other fans thinking they need to warn us about a coach is really tired.
No kidding. I was telling every Ole Miss fan I could find that they were getting a real bonafide SEC coach in Houston Nutt and that his time there would be an experience they'd never forget.
Then I walked away cackling madly.
Watch basketball salaries go through the roof. I hope Donovan turns them down just to cause churn in the college ranks. Coaching and players.
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Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 09, 2024, 12:18 PM....and his teams tend to have the same weaknesses year after year.
What are his team's same weaknesses year after year?
Quote from: Carpe DeHam on Apr 09, 2024, 03:30 PMWhat are his team's same weaknesses year after year?
They don't win natty's?
https://twitter.com/ChadHorneRTR/status/1777813147144876054?t=FcROeVUKyQ9eXAjC34bLuw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ChadHorneRTR/status/1777813147144876054?t=FcROeVUKyQ9eXAjC34bLuw&s=19)
Fuck Chad for putting his alcohol brain damaged buddy up for mockery on the internet.
Bob Huggins said he would walk to Lexington for the UK job.
Mainly because his drivers license is suspended at the moment. :D
I thought about Brad Stevens being someone the Jellycats could call. He's not coaching, just a president of basketball ops for the Celtics so no big deal. Maybe he's recharged the batteries.
Don't get me wrong I'd rather they hire an existing coach from the SEC so that continues to shake things up but I don't see them pulling Oats. Beard could be #3 or so on their list after Drew, Donovan, and whoever the fuck else. Jay Wright could be on the list too. I won't put it past them to go younger toward a Todd Golden type guy.
Gillispie and Sutton failed to win a natty as head coach at Kentucky in my lifetime. Joe B Hall, Pitino, Tubby, Calipari all won at least one. Am I missing someone? Still fairly good odds if you go to Kentucky you're winning a title.
Highly doubt Stevens leaves right before the playoffs especially when the team he built are the favorites to win the chip.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Apr 10, 2024, 07:00 AMHighly doubt Stevens leaves right before the playoffs especially when the team he built are the favorites to win the chip.
I hadn't even paid attention to the Celtics this season. Had no idea they were even any good. At his age it wouldn't surprise me to see him return to coaching but if you can win a good clip as an exec...why the fuck not.
Do we know if they've tried to call Erik Spoelstra, Greg Popovich, or Steve Kerr? Maybe that guy at Duke?
I hope they hire Christian Laettner.
Stevens has a plush executive job now. He ain't going back to coach college.
Kentucky should bring John Pelphrey home.
Did Scott Drew turn Ky down? When I went to bed last night I kept seeing that he was their target.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 10, 2024, 09:39 AMDid Scott Drew turn Ky down? When I went to bed last night I kept seeing that he was their target.
I don't know the media isn't spiking the football in celebration of him turning down the job.
This is why I hate the KY Jellycats, arrogant pricks. And this is a "media" person. Douche canoe
https://x.com/rowlandrivals/status/1778125917396541563?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Apr 11, 2024, 12:14 AMThis is why I hate the KY Jellycats, arrogant pricks. And this is a "media" person. Douche canoe
https://x.com/rowlandrivals/status/1778125917396541563?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
UK fans and media are upset because they can't pretend like we're chumps.
Kentucky already releasing hostages?
Now Texas Tech boards are in panic mode too.
https://x.com/darbyjobrown/status/1778248489278804420
Drew makes the most sense. I think he's only making like 3.5 million at Baylor. Kentucky can double or even triple his salary and would out of spite.
https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/1778436016207962443
Quote from: Pig Benis on Apr 11, 2024, 09:56 AMhttps://x.com/mattnorlander/status/1778436016207962443
hahahaha-- what's that, about the 4th person to turn them down?
if true, with the portal opening up in a little while they got to be freaking out.
Maybe the fact that a hall of fame coach who had the second highest salary in basketball would jump to a "lesser" program for lesser money says more to coaching candidates than Kentucky fans are willing to admit.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 09:58 AMhahahaha-- what's that, about the 4th person to turn them down?
Well to be fair, supposedly we were turned down 2-3 times Who really knows
Quote from: Silence Of The Hams on Apr 11, 2024, 10:01 AMWell to be fair, supposedly we were turned down 2-3 times Who really knows
HY says he never offered Beard, but it doesn't really matter. The point is those arrogant pricks in BBN act like their job is so great no one would ever turn them down.
This is good for us in terms of getting UK players and recruits to come our way.
Bad for us in terms of getting Texas/DFW basketball talent.
UK might have to go well down their list. He was the most obvious candidate that wasn't "pie in the sky".
Quote from: Pig Benis on Apr 11, 2024, 09:56 AMhttps://x.com/mattnorlander/status/1778436016207962443
Sweeet!
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 09:58 AMhahahaha-- what's that, about the 4th person to turn them down?
When a hall of fame coach takes a $2mm a year pay cut to leave you, it does tend to leave a mark.
Drew already has enough money his kids never have to worry about it. He'll likely never get fired from Baylor no matter what he does. What is his incentive to go to Kentucky and put up with all that bullshit not to mention Ashley Judd?
Inferring a lot, but it seems like in the coaching community there's a bad taste over Cal not getting treated right. Tom Izzo and others have made a few comments.
His former players have mentioned it.
Not that Drew really cares, maybe he really is just happy in Waco. But maybe you don't leave a job where they will give you raises and never fire you for one where you'd better make the Final Four or GTFO.
Enjoying seeing that UK Matt Jones guy squirm.
Why in the hell would Hurley take that job?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Apr 11, 2024, 10:14 AMWhy in the hell would Hurley take that job?
Hurley isn't taking the job. Wish I could get decent odds taking the other side of a bet on anyone that thinks UK could get him.
Donovan has turned them down before and isn't inclined to go back to college.
Those are their main 3. Guessing the other 2 already said no and Drew was 3rd.
Hahahaha! I hope they end up with Chris Jans.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 11, 2024, 10:17 AMHurley isn't taking the job. Wish I could get decent odds taking the other side of a bet on anyone that thinks UK could get him.
Donovan has turned them down before and isn't inclined to go back to college.
Those are their main 3. Guessing the other 2 already said no and Drew was 3rd.
Donovan has no experience in the new college paradigm.
Wouldn't surprise me if they end up pivoting to Beard.
Blue Tang Crew. Heard it hear first. :D
Could they get Bobby Hurley?
In light of Drew opting out (which they'll deny they ever offered just like we did with Beard)
I think the next run will be Beard, maybe Pearl. I'm laughing hard if Beard gets passed over. I want that to happen so bad.
Todd Golden could be a name to watch out for. They just extended him to 2030 at Florida for 4 million per so it would take 6 million perhaps more to move him.
Pope just doesn't move the needle. No doubt his winning percentage would go up tremendously at UK vs BYU over time but he wouldn't be a splashy hire like at all.
I got to think Kentucky has been treed and must land a P5 or NBA whale to keep up with the Tysons and Jerray (literally) to save face. I kinda doubt they go the really young route which might be the better move at this point.
I'm hoping they pass on Beard. Just so he might be more perceptive the next time we have an opening. I guess if they do get Beard, we can go back to back in relieving them of their coaches.
Actually I think Pearl would be a good fit, although I think he is slimy.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 10:46 AMActually I think Pearl would be a good fit, although I think he is slimy.
That's a feature, not a bug.
Kentucky Facebook friend post.
My 1a choice for who to coach Kentucky for the last few years has been "Not Cal". So if "Not Cal" doesn't work we will just go get another "Not Cal". No need to get worked up ... rejoice .... your nightmare of the last 4 years has permanently ended.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 11, 2024, 10:55 AMThat's a feature, not a bug.
For some reason, Pearl's name is trending on X right now.
From a Kentucky fan on Reddit:
The Kentucky job is a lot like dating a dime but she and her family is incredibly religious and intrusive. Just when you think you get a moment of peace here come her mom and dad with their dying grandma for you to get to know and she can dislike you just in time for her to make that known right before she passes away. Then her family turns on you because she hated you so much she stroked out and died .
Let's not forget grandma's incredibly racist and was never happy about anything in 88 years.
Who doesn't want that????
Pearl and Beard are good coaches, but I think a lot of people are going to question running off Cal for one of those two, both of whom have significant baggage and a mixture of successes and failures.
Getting rid of/letting go of a good coach in hopes of getting a better one doesn't usually work out.
Richt for Smart is the exception.
I've always been a Pearl fan but he's 64 years old and it wouldn't surprise me if he were to die of a heart attack on primetime TV wearing a sweat drenched sport coat.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 11, 2024, 10:55 AMThat's a feature, not a bug.
:D If I had a nickel for every time I heard that from an IT resource.
I don't think Kentucky is the "blue blood" program that they once were. NIL and the transfer portal got them just like everyone else. BBN needs to reset expectations.
Quote from: BASS on Apr 11, 2024, 11:27 AMGetting rid of/letting go of a good coach in hopes of getting a better one doesn't usually work out.
Richt for Smart is the exception.
We literally just did that.
Now over the long haul maybe Muss proves out to win a couple nattys somewhere. Who knows. Personally after seeing him get boo fooed over and over I began to question his overall ability to mind the store. It felt like once he was figured out there wasn't enough trick up the sleeve.
Kentucky will be fine. Maybe they have to swallow a suck hire but they'll be back in a few years.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Apr 11, 2024, 11:38 AM:D If I had a nickel for every time I heard that from an IT resource.
I don't think Kentucky is the "blue blood" program that they once were. NIL and the transfer portal got them just like everyone else. BBN needs to reset expectations.
It makes the coach even more important and program itself less so.
Players and recruits can leave anytime for a better shot at the NBA.
As I hope we're about to see over the next few days.
Kentucky is going to end up trading Calipari for Bruce Pearl. (not a bad coach at all but not the Hurley, Donavan, Drew choice they thought they would be making)
The meltdown and rationalization of it all will be glorious.
Another article detailed conversations between Cal and Sampson on Yurachek.
Sounds like Cal's issues with Barnhart at UK made him thoroughly vet Yurachek and he passed the test.
https://twitter.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1778292162498527328
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 11, 2024, 11:55 AMKentucky is going to end up trading Calipari for Bruce Pearl. (not a bad coach at all but not the Hurley, Donavan, Drew choice they thought they would be making)
The meltdown and rationalization of it all will be glorious.
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I'm still following UK accounts just to watch it all
Look at this dumbass on a KY page.
Quote from: aaron on Apr 11, 2024, 12:00 PMLook at this dumbass on a KY page.
Yes, do it. He was wronged. Right the wrongs. You had the wrong John all this time.
He'll be unforgettable.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 11, 2024, 11:17 AMPearl and Beard are good coaches, but I think a lot of people are going to question running off Cal for one of those two, both of whom have significant baggage and a mixture of successes and failures.
And the national media will place it all at the feet of Arkansas for having the nerve to even attempt buying themselves a position above their natural station.
Quote from: aaron on Apr 11, 2024, 12:00 PMLook at this dumbass on a KY page.
which one of you posted that? :)
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 10:59 AMFor some reason, Pearl's name is trending on X right now.
Has the feel of Billy Gillespie II.
Quote from: animal on Apr 11, 2024, 11:50 AMWe literally just did that.
Now over the long haul maybe Muss proves out to win a couple nattys somewhere. Who knows. Personally after seeing him get boo fooed over and over I began to question his overall ability to mind the store. It felt like once he was figured out there wasn't enough trick up the sleeve.
Kentucky will be fine. Maybe they have to swallow a suck hire but they'll be back in a few years.
Yeah, I hope it works out for us and we become another example of the exception.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 11, 2024, 12:26 PMHas the feel of Billy Gillespie II.
BCG collapsed under the limelight b/c he's an alcoholic shut-in. Pearl isn't a shut-in.
Pearl is a solid coach. He's not a great tourney coach. He's a very good, but not terrific, recruiter.
He's a year younger than Cal.
Right now they think they are going at Hurley with $100 mil and he'll change his mind.
If they slip to Pearl the fanbase will have pitchforks and torches at the airport when he gets there.
surely this isn't true:
https://x.com/ethnozarks/status/1778479751742595485
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 01:11 PMsurely this isn't true:
https://x.com/ethnozarks/status/1778479751742595485
No way they settle for someone like Jans this soon.
Hurley officially says no. Strike 2
Is Phil Jackson interested?
Quote from: BASS on Apr 11, 2024, 02:14 PMIs Phil Jackson interested?
Turned it down. They're down to Tito now.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 11, 2024, 02:12 PMHurley officially says no. Strike 2
They aren't counting Oates but I'd say they've already struck out 3 times and are on to #4 with Donovan.
Now they may be after Mark Pope from BYU
A live look at the Kentucky coaching search:
https://youtu.be/ItUECpFi9_s
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 11, 2024, 04:23 PMA live look at the Kentucky coaching search:
https://youtu.be/ItUECpFi9_s
I hoped for this kind of chaos, but this is turning out even better than I hoped.
Maybe they test the waters on Will Wade
Mark Pope to KY? God I hope so.
Quote from: TC on Apr 11, 2024, 02:19 PMTurned it down. They're down to Tito now.
This went under appreciated IMO.
:hair-fire:
:rofl:
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This is where you miss a Scott Padgett
If they don't hire Pelphrey, I'll be disappointed.
Larry Bird is not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old.
But Rick Pitino is walking through that door, folks. And he's gray and old.
Quote from: animal on Apr 11, 2024, 04:44 PMMaybe they test the waters on Will Wade
After Cal's introduction yesterday, you have to figure KY is going to be jealous and want to do something better.
I don't see how they can do that with Wade. If you hire him right now you just have to announce it and get to the now legal recruiting.
KY has too much pride to hire Wade.
https://twitter.com/mattnorlander/status/1778597218401796357
Quote from: animal on Apr 11, 2024, 06:08 PMThis is where you miss a Scott Padgett
Or a Gimel Martinez. Olé!!!
WOW!!! That is not gonna go over well...
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 11, 2024, 08:38 PMWOW!!! That is not gonna go over well...
BBN is going to love this hire.
Multiple national guys reporting it
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 11, 2024, 08:38 PMWOW!!! That is not gonna go over well...
The comments were savage today at the suggestion of Pope.
Kentucky fucked around and found out.
We won the coaching carousel, boys. And it wasn't even close.
The "back the truck up and make them say no" approach seems to have made several guys say no.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 11, 2024, 08:51 PMThe comments were savage today at the suggestion of Pope.
Kentucky fucked around and found out.
We won the coaching carousel, boys. And it wasn't even close.
There's no good way to spin this hire if you're BBN. Expectations in Lexington are beyond absurd. It's not always about money.
Hurley? No.
Oates? No.
Donovan? No.
Drew? No.
Pitino (probably)? No.
Looks like Pope is the guy. BBN has been put in their place.
I want nothing more than to see Cal go into Lexington next year with a roster of UK transfers and signees and skullfuck UK into oblivion with them.
I saw where Pitino recommended Pope.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 11, 2024, 09:02 PMI want nothing more than to see Cal go into Lexington next year with a roster of UK transfers and signees and skullfuck UK into oblivion with them.
Agree with every word of that.
Gotta think that hire DOES NOT help them keep their recruits.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 11, 2024, 09:07 PMGotta think that hire DOES NOT help them keep their recruits.
It's fine, they'll bring all of the talent over from BYU
Oh, wait...
https://x.com/rexchapman/status/1778604535105388593?
Well not all of the BBN is opposed.
There's no bigger help in getting UK recruits and current players to Fayetteville than what the UK fanbase is doing to their AD and new coaching hire right now.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 09:22 PMhttps://x.com/rexchapman/status/1778604535105388593?
Well not all of the BBN is opposed.
He must be pretty smart. 3rd year med student before going into coaching.
OMFG!
This can't possible get any better. WOW!
https://x.com/cbbcontent/status/1778602069785522621?
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 11, 2024, 09:38 PMOMFG!
This can't possible get any better. WOW!
https://x.com/cbbcontent/status/1778602069785522621?
Jesus this is going to end badly
With BYU name in background?
If this isn't an AI fake, it is going to be glorious to watch the pope fail.
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 11, 2024, 09:38 PMOMFG!
This can't possible get any better. WOW!
https://x.com/cbbcontent/status/1778602069785522621?
Woof. That's some dumbass Muss-level stuff there.
Quote from: Gambler on Apr 11, 2024, 09:47 PMWith BYU name in background?
He couldn't make the championship team reunion night because of coaching duties, so he sent that.
Twitter is glorious tonight.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Apr 11, 2024, 09:57 PMHe couldn't make the championship team reunion night because of coaching duties, so he sent that.
Twitter is glorious tonight.
Yeah to be fair, that video is 4 years old but. Jellcat fan is absolutely melting down over this hire. Pope's teams have never won a conference title or an NCAA tourney game.
He's a taller John Pelphrey.
If anyone is looking for some late night entertainment. They look miserable.
oof
https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1778601391768076527?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1778601391768076527%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Quote from: animal on Apr 11, 2024, 09:02 PMI saw where Pitino recommended Pope.
Have to admit, that is probably a good recommendation. Pitino could coach.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 10:14 PMHave to admit, that is probably a good recommendation. Pitino could coach.
They would've been better served hiring Petino.
Ouch
https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1778617256521392625?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
BBN = Big Blue Noogie!!!
Billy Clyde Gillispie was a helluva good coach at one time Alcohol cost him a lot. What is he doing now?
We're not the laughing stock this time.
Damn this feels amazing.
Kentucky's roster is going to look just like ours did yesterday.
Void of talent. Barren. No one there.
Can Pope Mark will restore faith to BBN? Not a chance in hell.
:D
https://x.com/rockcitytimes/status/1778511826927386743?
https://twitter.com/jra81394/status/1778609843936297210/video/1 (https://twitter.com/jra81394/status/1778609843936297210/video/1)
(https://twitter.com/jra81394/status/1778609843936297210/video/1)
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 10:14 PMHave to admit, that is probably a good recommendation. Pitino could coach.
Didn't he also recommend Pelphrey to us?
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 11, 2024, 09:22 PMhttps://x.com/rexchapman/status/1778604535105388593?
Well not all of the BBN is opposed.
What better character reference can you have than an opioid addict with multiple felony thefts on his record?
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 11, 2024, 09:38 PMOMFG!
This can't possible get any better. WOW!
https://x.com/cbbcontent/status/1778602069785522621?
We are in a dream right? This can't be real.
https://x.com/TheBenSwain/status/1778603232815710518
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 12, 2024, 07:51 AMDidn't he also recommend Pelphrey to us?
I don't remember that. Could've happened. I just don't remember.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 12, 2024, 08:07 AMI don't remember that. Could've happened. I just don't remember.
I could see why he would recommend someone better to the school where he coached versus one that he played against often.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 12, 2024, 08:03 AMhttps://x.com/TheBenSwain/status/1778603232815710518
God clearly has decided he hates Kentucky basketball. :D
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 12, 2024, 08:11 AMGod clearly has decided he hates Kentucky basketball. :D
All part of the plan to convert the state of Kentucky to Latter Day Saints.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 12, 2024, 08:03 AMhttps://x.com/TheBenSwain/status/1778603232815710518
God is Baptist, not Mormon. Everybody knows this.
Pope will probably do well there.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Apr 12, 2024, 08:22 AMPope will probably do well there.
He'll have a rough time for a year or two though. I'm not sure Kentucky has patience for a rebuild. Smug assed Mitch Barnhart getting reamed is funny.
They've got big money lined up for NIL too. He'll run a nice offense.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Apr 12, 2024, 08:37 AMThey've got big money lined up for NIL too. He'll run a nice offense.
This is going to explode player salaries.
How much are they paying Pope?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Apr 12, 2024, 08:37 AMThey've got big money lined up for NIL too. He'll run a nice offense.
Why wasn't it there for Cal?
Quote from: Gambler on Apr 12, 2024, 09:26 AMWhy wasn't it there for Cal?
Probably for a similar reason as why there is a lot more lined up here for Calipari than there would have been for year five under Musselman.
Quote from: olive_branch_hog on Apr 12, 2024, 09:01 AMHow much are they paying Pope?
The last number I saw was $5.5 mil a year for 5 years. That is Pittman salary level stupid.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Apr 12, 2024, 10:08 AMThe last number I saw was $5.5 mil a year for 5 years. That is Pittman salary level stupid.
#6 overall
For a guy that wasn't in the top 6 in salary in the Big XII alone
I know this: Cal isn't going to be scared to take the Razorbacks to Rupp Arena next season.
They actually did it. They hired the guy.
They wanted a tier I coach but he's anything but. Zero tournament wins in 8 years.
Quote from: piglosopher on Apr 12, 2024, 10:56 AMThey actually did it. They hired the guy.
They wanted a tier I coach but he's anything but. Zero tournament wins in 8 years.
Roy Williams, K, Izzo, Jay Wright. Prior tournament success is pretty meaningless.
Quote from: piglosopher on Apr 12, 2024, 10:56 AMThey actually did it. They hired the guy.
They wanted a tier I coach but he's anything but. Zero tournament wins in 8 years.
They might have been better off actually hiring Pelphrey.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Apr 12, 2024, 08:37 AMThey've got big money lined up for NIL too. He'll run a nice offense.
you know this pisses them off, lol
https://x.com/On3NIL/status/1778788291644403723
https://x.com/On3NIL/status/1778774082600763573
Jaxson Robinson will hit a 3 at the buzzer to beat us in Rupp next year.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Apr 12, 2024, 12:54 PMJaxson Robinson will hit a 3 at the buzzer to beat us in Rupp next year.
You really are insufferable.
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 12, 2024, 01:01 PMYou really are insufferable.
How much of a manic depressive pussy do you have to be for that to be your reaction to a joke on a sports message board.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Apr 12, 2024, 12:53 PMyou know this pisses them off, lol
https://x.com/On3NIL/status/1778788291644403723
https://x.com/On3NIL/status/1778774082600763573
Pope will spent $1 million of that on magic underwear. 😳
Pope looks like my neighbor from across the road that's all serious about fitness and shit. It's disgusting.
For you closet KY fans wondering if your coach looks a little too Mormon.
where-does-taylor-rooks-rank-all-time-v0-bj5ls5s7l3uc1.webp
Didn't take long at all for the UK fans go from anger to acceptance and justification.
Because he's one of their own Pope will get more time and patience, but they have no idea if he can recruit and he's never won a tourney game. Having to follow Cal and the sky high expectations that brings...
Their posts are the kind of cope our fanbase knows all too well.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Apr 12, 2024, 07:42 PMDidn't take long at all for the UK fans go from anger to acceptance and justification.
Because he's one of their own Pope will get more time and patience, but they have no idea if he can recruit and he's never won a tourney game. Having to follow Cal and the sky high expectations that brings...
Their posts are the kind of cope our fanbase knows all too well.
Even with nil money, kids still want to be prepared for the NBA. Pope doesn't have that credibility. I can't believe they hired him.
I heard someone talking today about Cal saying 75% of my players went to the NBA, and some other high amount got second contracts.
If your goal is to make as much as you can in college through NIL because that's your ceiling, sure. If your goal is to make millions through a career in the NBA, I'm your guy.
My Kentucky friend finally gave me his thoughts, but only when prompted. And it quickly turned into a rant against Cal. Warning: he's a machine gun texter.
Me: "So what do you think of the new pope? I mean, coach?"
Him:
" He's awesome/ Championship player/ knows the program- knows what on the jersey- BBN sold out the arena for the event on announcement- Cal was great for our program but lost focus after lifetime contract- BBN is behind this coach."
" Cal always said it's not banners it's the players going to NBA- worked well first half of coaching- not the second half- sorry results say everything- last 6 years we're below expectations for our program- hope he redefines self at AR."
" 1and done not a recipe for success as been proven with NCAA."
" We have amazing players in NBA after the fact/ but doesn't get you past round 2 in NCAA Tournament."
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Apr 18, 2024, 07:57 PMMy Kentucky friend finally gave me his thoughts, but only when prompted. And it quickly turned into a rant against Cal. Warning: he's a machine gun texter.
Me: "So what do you think of the new pope? I mean, coach?"
Him:
" He's awesome/ Championship player/ knows the program- knows what on the jersey- BBN sold out the arena for the event on announcement- Cal was great for our program but lost focus after lifetime contract- BBN is behind this coach."
" Cal always said it's not banners it's the players going to NBA- worked well first half of coaching- not the second half- sorry results say everything- last 6 years we're below expectations for our program- hope he redefines self at AR."
" 1and done not a recipe for success as been proven with NCAA."
" We have amazing players in NBA after the fact/ but doesn't get you past round 2 in NCAA Tournament."
Well ok then. Shit I didn't know that. Fuck.
Quote from: animal on Apr 18, 2024, 08:21 PMWell ok then. Shit I didn't know that. Fuck.
I don't think we even want Cal after reading that.
I feel a little better we just hired Cal's lead assistant from 2010-2020.
He may not have been a great head coach at Louisville, but UK was better when he was there.
Anyone who uses BBN or Big Blue Nation in casual conversation is an embarrassing human being.
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 19, 2024, 09:22 AMAnyone who uses BBN or Big Blue Nation in casual conversation is an embarrassing human being.
Same as THE Ohio State University
Quote from: bigpig on Apr 19, 2024, 09:22 AMAnyone who uses BBN or Big Blue Nation in casual conversation is an embarrassing human being.
Yep they sound like a SI AI article.
Blue-balls nation
Probably a closeted BBC lover.
Blake Anderson placed on "administrative leave" at Utah State and is not expected to return as head coach.
Developing...
Quote from: RPL on Jul 02, 2024, 11:46 AMBlake Anderson placed on "administrative leave" at Utah State and is not expected to return as head coach.
Developing...
Ugh it developed more
https://x.com/cfbrep/status/1808198848747065573?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Jul 02, 2024, 01:04 PMUgh it developed more
https://x.com/cfbrep/status/1808198848747065573?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
XTwitter is saying he was waving his junk at a coed?! WTF?!
Quote from: RPL on Jul 02, 2024, 01:22 PMXTwitter is saying he was waving his junk at a coed?! WTF?!
He's had a really rough several years losing his wife to cancer and then a son to suicide. Maybe he finally went off the deep end.
The guy's wife was barely in the ground by the time he started dating the biggest whore in Jonesboogie. He's had nonstop controversy since he got out there.
Tom Mars is now representing Anderson in the matter. It's about to get ugly.
Quote from: RPL on Jul 02, 2024, 01:22 PMXTwitter is saying he was waving his junk at a coed?! WTF?!
Sounds like he has acquired one of those accidental children.
Viagra is keeping old men in the game now. They can still let it ruin their lives way longer than it used to be.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jul 02, 2024, 07:31 PMSounds like he has acquired one of those accidental children.
Maybe. He married someone described online as "the 'ho in Jonesboro." They are in Utah now so it could just be polygamy.
I guess a coach just can't show his dick off anymore. Sad times indeed.
Then why even be one?
Quote from: animal on Jul 03, 2024, 06:11 PMI guess a coach just can't show his dick off anymore. Sad times indeed.
Guess that's why Brett Favre never got into coaching.
Quote from: animal on Jul 03, 2024, 06:11 PMI guess a coach just can't show his dick off anymore. Sad times indeed.
This is no longer the sport I loved.
Quote from: bigpig on Jul 03, 2024, 10:01 PMThis is no longer the sport I loved.
Dick showing is a sport?
Larry Eustachy ain't walking through that door...
Quote from: Zoso on Jul 04, 2024, 12:40 PMLarry Eustachy ain't walking through that door...
He ain't got it rollin like Mike Price though.
Quote from: Gambler on Jul 04, 2024, 10:11 AMDick showing is a sport?
I don't see why not.
We had a decade of Dale showing his ass every week.
Quote from: bigpig on Jul 04, 2024, 03:13 PMI don't see why not.
We had a decade of Dale showing his ass every week.
And now we see tits every week.
Well the fact remains a nearly 60 year old man can't let a young lady know he's interested anymore without being hit with law suits and getting terminated from employment. He isn't allow to speak his truth and that is really sad for America.
I know nothing about the Clemson fanbase, but Dabo should be in trouble.
He's getting hammered on X.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 31, 2024, 04:15 PMI know nothing about the Clemson fanbase, but Dabo should be in trouble.
They are piiiiissed. If he's going to refuse to use the portal and then turn in last season and this start he's not going to last much longer.
Maybe Dabo is short for doubling down because he's killing the program for his ego at this point.
Napier is showing why he is #1 on the hot seat lists as he gets punked at home by the guy at #3.
Does he make it through September?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 31, 2024, 05:02 PMNapier is showing why he is #1 on the hot seat lists as he gets punked at home by the guy at #3.
Does he make it through September?
Sam will last longer than Sun Belt Billy.
Turning on CBS on Saturday afternoon and seeing Ohio State vs Akron is just wrong.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 31, 2024, 05:02 PMNapier is showing why he is #1 on the hot seat lists as he gets punked at home by the guy at #3.
Does he make it through September?
Heck, it's still August.
They may leave Napier at the airport.
They will fire Napier and hire Meyer.
You heard it here first.
Sam was thinking he could lay off the dirt since Elko's blubber far exceeds Sam's mantis.
Quote from: The Cowboy Tiger on Sep 01, 2024, 05:31 PMThey will fire Napier and hire Meyer.
You heard it here first.
I know coaches are insane but I see no way Urban leaves a cushy network job to go back to a place where he won 2 national titles. He'd have pressure and expectations he could never meet
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 01, 2024, 08:07 PMI know coaches are insane but I see no way Urban leaves a coushy network job to go back to a place where he won 2 national titles. He'd have pressure and expectations he could never meet
Agreed. They're more likely to hire Chad Morris.
Oh wait. They already did.
florida fans say it will be kiffin. and if they can come up with the money to buyout napier, i'd agree with them.
kiffin's buyout is only $4 million.
Seems like a no-brainer even if it's going to cost them $10 mil per year
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 01, 2024, 08:07 PMI know coaches are insane but I see no way Urban leaves a cushy network job to go back to a place where he won 2 national titles. He'd have pressure and expectations he could never meet
Especially since he has heart issues.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 01, 2024, 08:24 PMflorida fans say it will be kiffin. and if they can come up with the money to buyout napier, i'd agree with them.
kiffin's buyout is only $4 million.
Hmmm. Interesting, maybe not a lock to go.....
https://footballscoop.com/news/lane-kiffins-daughter-talked-him-out-of-leaving-ole-miss-for-auburn
florida is a better job than auburn. with the right coach it's been shown they can consistently be in the nc race.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 01, 2024, 09:30 PMflorida is a better job than auburn. with the right coach it's been shown they can consistently be in the nc race.
Ole Miss is a better job than Auburn.
Perfect match
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1830644469072359647?t=GV9IJCJoEQhzmEiM59B6Aw&s=19 (https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1830644469072359647?t=GV9IJCJoEQhzmEiM59B6Aw&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Sep 02, 2024, 01:13 PMPerfect match
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1830644469072359647?t=GV9IJCJoEQhzmEiM59B6Aw&s=19 (https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1830644469072359647?t=GV9IJCJoEQhzmEiM59B6Aw&s=19)
I can't imagine him being offered another big paying job. Think he has one more big buyout in him? I'd love to see Jimbo drive them into permanent irrelevance.
Misery loves company.
Will Norvell be the FSU coach tomorrow?
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 02, 2024, 07:31 PMWill Norvell be the FSU coach tomorrow?
Honeymoon officially over.
DJ Uliwhatever tries too much of that sidearm shit.
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 02, 2024, 07:31 PMWill Norvell be the FSU coach tomorrow?
Better give Sam a raise after we beat OSU, if we don't want to lose him.
Quote from: TC on Sep 01, 2024, 10:36 PMOle Miss is a better job than Auburn.
No. Not at all.
I knew it was a fuckup as soon as Norvell brought him on.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 24, 2024, 02:29 PMDJU is a loser QB who turns programs into losers. Norvell is an idiot for thinking he's anything different.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 02, 2024, 09:00 PMNo. Not at all.
Kiffin is getting 9/yr vs Freeze's 6.5.
The AU program and its fans still think they're a 10 win program but pays even less than Kentucky pays Stoops.
Quote from: TC on Sep 01, 2024, 10:36 PMOle Miss is a better job than Auburn.
I hope someone hacked your woopig account.
Quote from: TC on Sep 01, 2024, 10:36 PMOle Miss is a better job than Auburn.
IMG_0396.jpegWhat?
Quote from: TC on Sep 02, 2024, 10:35 PMKiffin is getting 9/yr vs Freeze's 6.5.
The AU program and its fans still think they're a 10 win program but pays even less than Kentucky pays Stoops.
Auburn is paying Freeze that amount because that's what it took to get him, and he hasn't done anything yet to justify a raise.
It's a novel concept for us Hog fans.
Auburn has a dysfunctional alumni base but also has plenty of money and a better recruiting base than Ole Miss. If both programs are maxing out their potential Auburn is a national champ, while Ole Miss is 10-2.
I can tell you that Petrino will be our next coach. Why? Because he will do it for 4.5 to 6 million or less. That's all it will take to convince any remaining naysayers with influence. Arkansas will always go cheap.
I'd say Ole Miss is likely very under valued in perception, but no question Auburn historically is the better gig. Mississippi is a state loaded with talent and their only instate competition is Miss State which isn't much account. Auburn sits near the Atlanta market in very talent rich areas...high risk of high competition but high reward as well.
Ever notice how back in the day the only thing really holding back Mississippi talent was that you couldn't get a lot of those kids academically eligible? Yeah that's not really a thing now.
How did college athletics go from a time where you signed a bunch of kids knowing a lot of them were probably gonna end up in JUCO to now when you sign a kid almost none of them go JUCO at least not right away. Right now we've got a kid Mbake in JUCO so he must be really dumb.
Did academic standards get quietly lowered when they say out loud that they are getting better? I figure the high schools are cooking the books.
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 02, 2024, 07:31 PMWill Norvell be the FSU coach tomorrow?
They stupidly extended him last year. Thru fucking 2031. His current salary is $9.87mil and escalates each year. They gave him that to keep him from going to Bama.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 03, 2024, 08:19 AMThey stupidly extended him last year. Thru fucking 2031. His current salary is $9.87mil and escalates each year. They gave him that to keep him from going to Bama.
I had forgotten that. Those extensions will get ya'.
Norvell is one of those coaches I want to like but he's kind turning into a real stinker. Good on him to get paid the way he has but Jesus he really hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.
I guess for him the nice thing is FSU just about has to ride it out a while and throw more money at the problem I'm thinking. I guess if Deion does blow up at Colorado they'll be people wanting to "bring him home".
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 03, 2024, 07:07 AMAuburn is paying Freeze that amount because that's what it took to get him, and he hasn't done anything yet to justify a raise.
It's a novel concept for us Hog fans.
Auburn has a dysfunctional alumni base but also has plenty of money and a better recruiting base than Ole Miss. If both programs are maxing out their potential Auburn is a national champ, while Ole Miss is 10-2.
Auburn is also a program that's not winning now and hasn't in the last 10 years. Auburn is 85-57 and 2-8 in Bowls over the last decade, and OM is 81-55 and 4-3 in Bowls over that same period. For Kiffin it would be a lateral move at best. Sure, one with significant upside and "potential," but also with great risk. Average 8-9 wins/yr at OM, with the occasional 10 win season, and they'll name streets after him. Do that at Auburn and they'll get restless real quick.
Quote from: Spiderham on Sep 03, 2024, 05:27 AMIMG_0396.jpegWhat?
So, because Tuberville left OM for Auburn 25 years ago, that proves what today?
Quote from: TC on Sep 03, 2024, 10:36 AMAuburn is also a program that's not winning now and hasn't in the last 10 years. Auburn is 85-57 and 2-8 in Bowls over the last decade, and OM is 81-55 and 4-3 in Bowls over that same period. For Kiffin it would be a lateral move at best. Sure, one with significant upside and "potential," but also with great risk. Average 8-9 wins/yr at OM, with the occasional 10 win season, and they'll name streets after him. Do that at Auburn and they'll get restless real quick.
The last part of that is true for Kiffin since he's already at Ole Miss, but doesn't mean it's a better job overall.
If both jobs were open at the same time and there were no extenuating circumstances like pending probation, completely empty roster, etc...Auburn would attract more and better candidates.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 03, 2024, 11:24 AMThe last part of that is true for Kiffin since he's already at Ole Miss, but doesn't mean it's a better job overall.
If both jobs were open at the same time and there were no extenuating circumstances like pending probation, completely empty roster, etc...Auburn would attract more and better candidates.
I guess that's one way of looking at it..in a historical sense. But that's not as practical as asking the question, "Which is the better job right now?"
It's Ole Miss, and the trend has been that way for the last few years, and appears that will continue for at least several more.
Quote from: TC on Sep 03, 2024, 11:56 AMI guess that's one way of looking at it..in a historical sense. But that's not as practical as asking the question, "Which is the better job right now?"
It's Ole Miss, and the trend has been that way for the last few years, and appears that will continue for at least several more.
Wait.
Auburn, which is "not winning now," and STILL has a better record over that 10-year span than Ole Miss, is the inferior program?
You sure that's the point you want to press?
Quote from: TC on Sep 03, 2024, 11:56 AMI guess that's one way of looking at it..in a historical sense. But that's not as practical as asking the question, "Which is the better job right now?"
It's Ole Miss, and the trend has been that way for the last few years, and appears that will continue for at least several more.
In my mind the flaw in your assumption is that it's the program causing the success rather than the guy in charge of it.
Jeff Long made the same mistake in April 2012.
People are conflating "better" job with "prestigious" job. If I can make better money in a less stressful situation, why would I want the other one.
Auburn is prestigious, but it's not a dream job. Kiffin is holding out for Bama, and he'll crawl to Tuscaloosa when the man who followed The Man flames out.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Sep 03, 2024, 12:39 PMPeople are conflating "better" job with "prestigious" job. If I can make better money in a less stressful situation, why would I want the other one.
Auburn is prestigious, but it's not a dream job. Kiffin is holding out for Bama, and he'll crawl to Tuscaloosa when the man who followed The Man flames out.
I thought he would go to Alabama this time, and still think he would have if offered.
Saban does not like Kiffin for some reason. I think the only way Kiffin gets that job is after Saban is dead and gone.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 03, 2024, 12:25 PMWait.
Auburn, which is "not winning now," and STILL has a better record over that 10-year span than Ole Miss, is the inferior program?
You sure that's the point you want to press?
4 more wins over the last decade and it's the better program...Is that the point you want to press?
Okay, if you want to look at it over the last 5 years then it's Ole Miss with 38 wins vs Auburn with 32.
It's not that big of a deal. I agree that historically Auburn is the better program, and with more prestige than OM, but I think Ole Miss is trending up and right now is a better job than Auburn. If you disagree, that's okay too.
It's already week 2, might as well start the carousel
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1831104135304790397
I guess I'm with TC. Auburn is more prestigious, but not necessarily a better job than Ole Miss.
Auburn's delusional fanbase sandwiched between 2 of the sport's dynasties this century is a certain kind of pressure cooker and politicking I can do without. Plus look how they treated Harsin, (who was a bad hire admittedly).
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 03, 2024, 06:32 PMIt's already week 2, might as well start the carousel
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1831104135304790397
If it's enough of a distraction to keep OM out of the playoffs, I'm all for it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Sep 03, 2024, 07:24 PMIf it's enough of a distraction to keep OM out of the playoffs, I'm all for it.
I'm not old enough to remember but have talked to older men who hated Ole Miss as bad Texas. The consensus that was stressed is that they were some cheating m-fuckers. They influenced me keep the hate alive. I hope they spend themselves out this year, don't make the playoffs and then Lane bolts.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 03, 2024, 08:08 PMI'm not old enough to remember but have talked to older men who hated Ole Miss as bad Texas. The consensus that was stressed is that they were some cheating m-fuckers. They influenced me keep the hate alive. I hope they spend themselves out this year, don't make the playoffs and then Lane bolts.
Ole Miss fans are extremely pretentious. They could win 8 games and think they're world beaters and LET you know it. When they hired Nutt, they thought they were on top of the world. LOL. Lane will leave, there's no doubt. I do think they have improved their brand as of late though. Kiffen was a better hire than I thought.
Until a kiffin coached team shows it can beat a top 10 team instead of pissing down its leg, which will be a first, it doesn't matter what job is better does it?
Quote from: TC on Sep 03, 2024, 01:06 PM4 more wins over the last decade and it's the better program...Is that the point you want to press?
Okay, if you want to look at it over the last 5 years then it's Ole Miss with 38 wins vs Auburn with 32.
It's not that big of a deal. I agree that historically Auburn is the better program, and with more prestige than OM, but I think Ole Miss is trending up and right now is a better job than Auburn. If you disagree, that's okay too.
Yes, we can agree to disagree.
Could be soon
https://x.com/walterkfriedman/status/1835338535945064591?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Kinda find it hard to believe since I haven't seen anything about them firing Napier other that these posts at 10 something this morning.
Da Gatah will probably beat inept MisStake next week, then get a week off before what could very well be Florachaggie fighting for his job against Saint Gus the week after that.
If they don't beat Cowbell Aggie, then the bye week would be the time to make the move.
It's inevitable, just a question of how much embarrassment they'll let him cause.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 15, 2024, 10:23 PMDa Gatah will probably beat inept MisStake next week, then get a week off before what could very well be Florachaggie fighting for his job against Saint Gus the week after that.
If they don't beat Cowbell Aggie, then the bye week would be the time to make the move.
It's inevitable, just a question of how much embarrassment they'll let him cause.
Florida needs to throw the bank at Stoops and give him a big Nil budget. The problem for Florida is they have the Auburn disease. Expecting top of the pack results when paying middle of the pack salary. Napier is at somewhere around 7.5, and Stoops is at almost 9.
Yes, Kentucky is paying their football coach around $1.5-2mm more per year than both Florida and Auburn. "But it's the better job" is antiquated thinking unless you're ready to go for broke, because your half-life just resulted in a natty, or fired in 2.5 years.
This years coaching search is gonna be interesting.
Florida has Lane Kiffen written all over it
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 16, 2024, 08:23 AMFlorida has Lane Kiffen written all over it
This is my hope. Not for Florida's sake, but for ours.
Kiffin is more likely to take a championship ready made situation over having to rebuild. Though anymore you can flip a roster in one off season if you wanted to.
Florida tends to hire up and comers even Meyer was. Weird there really isn't much out of that tree that made much account as a head coach off the top of my head. Mullens? Oh yeah been done.
We dodged a bullet with Napier...he interviewed when we hired Chad. Fritz I believe ended up being possibly the better choice and he was the one floated that everyone poo pooed.
Arkansas has to wait for a time when half the SEC isn't looking for head coaches and strike. Otherwise there is a bidding war and coaches are going elsewhere...hence Kiffin to Ole Miss. Drinkwitz to Mizzou.
This off season could be that right time to pull the trigger.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 16, 2024, 08:23 AMFlorida has Lane Kiffen written all over it
I see Drinkwitz being their guy. He's kicked their asses and taunted them after. Spurrier attitude in a librarian's body.
Getting him out of Missouri would help us as well. Would love for them to hire someone for whom Arkansas isn't the coach's personal Super Bowl every year.
Quote from: animal on Sep 16, 2024, 08:33 AMFritz I believe ended up being possibly the better choice and he was the one floated that everyone poo pooed.
This sentence put bad visions in my head.
Going to be interesting with Drink already being a $9 million coach at Mizzou. Florida think bumping him to $11 mil is the answer?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 16, 2024, 08:53 AMGoing to be interesting with Drink already being a $9 million coach at Mizzou. Florida think bumping him to $11 mil is the answer?
Don't think it would just be about money. He'll have access to higher quality athletes in far greater numbers at UF. Plus all those guys who wear visors have fantasies of being the next Head Ball Coach. The thought of having the office once occupied by Spurrier would make Drink's little pee pee tingle.
I think a lot of the same names will be up again this season for jobs barring contracts they can't get out of easily.
Chris Klieman
Joey McGuire
Barry Odom
Jeff Traylor
Lance Leipold
Jason Candle
Names to watch on the rise
G. J. Kinne
Jake Dickert
Jamey Chadwell
A couple of these guys like Traylor and Liepold don't have as good of teams this season so their stock may fall. Dickert I believe has a decent team at Wash State and may be in line for a big job at the end of the season.
Not listed but Dillingham at Arizona State could be another interesting name to look for. Especially if FSU opens as that offense seems to have went to shit since he's left. Hammock at North Illinois has some good pub but I don't necessarily see him leaving his alma mater but if he wants to get into the elites he's not going to do it there.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 16, 2024, 08:56 AMDon't think it would just be about money. He'll have access to higher quality athletes in far greater numbers at UF. Plus all those guys who wear visors have fantasies of being the next Head Ball Coach. The thought of having the office once occupied by Spurrier would make Drink's little pee pee tingle.
Your arguments for Drink could apply to Kiffen as well, except cheaper and Joey Freshwater gets to look at hotter Coeds.
Both have the douchebag visor thing going on though.
Either hire helps us.
Drink is insufferable and Kiffen...was, but slightly more likeable now. Both have their teams in the top 10. We had the opportunity to hire either...but we hired Sam.
Florida isn't going to go after Sam
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 16, 2024, 10:20 AMYour arguments for Drink could apply to Kiffen as well, except cheaper and Joey Freshwater gets to look at hotter Coeds.
Both have the douchebag visor thing going on though.
Either hire helps us.
I just think Kiffin is in a better situation at Ole Miss than Drink at Missouri. If I had the choice I'd definitely take Lane.
g j kinnes is currently 10-6 at texas st., the redwolves hung 77 on them last year. i just don't get the hype.
Coaching hires are so much more complicated now vs olden times. One, even assistants are making huge money and wives like setting roots and keeping kids in the same school a bit instead of moving around every year. They are like other younger folks and also look at quality of life, pressure, stress, windshield time, etc.
Next, with NIL, the portal, media, the "brand" of legacy schools isn't as important. A savvy coach can recruit and pay and move quickly to get a lesser program moving.
Sam doesn't fit any checkbox one needs in a football coach, whether OG or new school. JFB would have run his ass off. Who were his OL coaches? Folks like Joe Gibbs. Jimmy Johnson. Wonder who prime JFB would hire?
JFB would probably hire Ken Hatfield and pass on Switzer and Johnson. He would then follow that up by hiring Crowe and Nutt.
Frank wasn't exactly great with his coaching hire decisions.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 16, 2024, 11:10 AMg j kinnes is currently 10-6 at texas st., the redwolves hung 77 on them last year. i just don't get the hype.
Perhaps the body of work isn't good but a good season this year puts him in the conversation I believe. Texas State was competitive against Arizona State for what it's worth, beat UTSA which has been a good program the last few years. We'll see how it shakes out. They may be on the move up.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 16, 2024, 08:56 AMDon't think it would just be about money. He'll have access to higher quality athletes in far greater numbers at UF. Plus all those guys who wear visors have fantasies of being the next Head Ball Coach. The thought of having the office once occupied by Spurrier would make Drink's little pee pee tingle.
So he moves for the same amount with WAY more pressure?
Florida is gonna have to get serious about the money just like Auburn
Quote from: TC on Sep 16, 2024, 12:28 PMSo he moves for the same amount with WAY more pressure?
Florida is gonna have to get serious about the money just like Auburn
I think Florida and Auburn are both plenty serious financially. You seem to think the current coaches' salaries are a direct, predictive indicator of success. It's not like paying Napier or Freeze more would add wins to their resumes. Salaries are more indicative of the coaches market value at the time they're hired. Auburn was willing to pay Kiffin at least as much as Ole Miss. Lane just chose to stay because he liked the team he had and didn't see it as a big enough upgrade. They're paying Freeze what they are because he's damaged goods who hasn't proven himself there yet. Apparently they didn't see anyone besides Kiffin who would justify nearly $10MM per year.
Florida does bring more pressure than Missouri. It also brings the potential for more money, much easier recruiting, and a better place to live. It's proven that you can win a national title at Florida. At Missouri that's still in the theoretical stage, with well over 100 years of evidence showing that it can't be done.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 16, 2024, 12:39 PMa better place to live.
I spent a lot of time in Columbia, and have visited Gainesville. I'm going to have to take issue with this one. It's 100% personal opinion though.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 16, 2024, 12:43 PMI spent a lot of time in Columbia, and have visited Gainesville. I'm going to have to take issue with this one. It's 100% personal opinion though.
Gainesville has better weather and far fewer Missourians (alumni, not state residents who had the good sense to be educated elsewhere).
yeah, florida has had the 7th and 12th ranked recruiting classes the last two cycles. they got the #1 qb for 2024. they suck not because of talent, but because they hired a coach who is in way over his head and the players see it.
there's plenty of money and talent available for florida football and i bet they learned their lesson on going with what was then seen as an up and comer.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 16, 2024, 12:44 PMGainesville has better weather
This is specifically one of the things I was taking issue with. Nine months of swamp ass high humidity and 90+ temps is not my idea of better weather.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 16, 2024, 12:57 PMThis is specifically one of the things I was taking issue with. Nine months of swamp ass high humidity and 90+ temps is not my idea of better weather.
I'll bet there are no snow plows in the state of Florida.
That wins out for me. Even with the occasional hurricane.
If Florida ends up taking this ride first though does kind of take the pressure off Arkansas on the optics if/when they have to pull the plug on Pittman during the season. I do kinda figure he (Pittman) gets the entire season barring a total meltdown. It's not like the media will give us a pass anyway because how dare we believe we can do better...Florida will do whatever they want and nothing will get said.
I think Florida's situation clearly they aren't going anywhere with him and he needs to go, but I do think you need to hold your horses for a few games. I never heard anything official on this. Sounds like Fieldman blew it on the scoop which he's been known to do. He was right but things changed.
Hot seats in the SEC as of now are...
Florida guy
Arkansas guy
South Carolina we'll see
A wildcard might be Oklahoma if Venerables kind of flounders as an SEC coach.
If Freeze can't make progress at Auburn I could see them giving him a quick hook.
Quote from: animal on Sep 16, 2024, 01:06 PMIf Florida ends up taking this ride first though does kind of take the pressure off Arkansas on the optics if/when they have to pull the plug on Pittman during the season. I do kinda figure he (Pittman) gets the entire season barring a total meltdown. It's not like the media will give us a pass anyway because how dare we believe we can do better...Florida will do whatever they want and nothing will get said.
I think Florida's situation clearly they aren't going anywhere with him and he needs to go, but I do think you need to hold your horses for a few games. I never heard anything official on this. Sounds like Fieldman blew it on the scoop which he's been known to do. He was right but things changed.
Hot seats in the SEC as of now are...
Florida guy
Arkansas guy
South Carolina we'll see
A wildcard might be Oklahoma if Venerables kind of flounders as an SEC coach.
If Freeze can't make progress at Auburn I could see them giving him a quick hook.
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Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 16, 2024, 12:39 PMI think Florida and Auburn are both plenty serious financially. You seem to think the current coaches' salaries are a direct, predictive indicator of success. It's not like paying Napier or Freeze more would add wins to their resumes. Salaries are more indicative of the coaches market value at the time they're hired. Auburn was willing to pay Kiffin at least as much as Ole Miss. Lane just chose to stay because he liked the team he had and didn't see it as a big enough upgrade. They're paying Freeze what they are because he's damaged goods who hasn't proven himself there yet. Apparently they didn't see anyone besides Kiffin who would justify nearly $10MM per year.
Florida does bring more pressure than Missouri. It also brings the potential for more money, much easier recruiting, and a better place to live. It's proven that you can win a national title at Florida. At Missouri that's still in the theoretical stage, with well over 100 years of evidence showing that it can't be done.
Right...so Florida's ready to pay 10.5-11 per year? If not then there's not a chance they get Lane, imo.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 16, 2024, 12:57 PMThis is specifically one of the things I was taking issue with. Nine months of swamp ass high humidity and 90+ temps is not my idea of better weather.
I guess I get the appeal of constant warm weather. I turkey hunted close to Gainesville last March. It was mid to upper 90's, humid, snakey, gatory, and skeetery. I hunted the Sierra Madre's in Mexico in April where it was 20 degrees every morning. I hunted four western states close to the Canadian border in May that were similarly cool. I'm going back this spring to all of those places except Florida. I'll never hunt there again.
Quote from: TC on Sep 16, 2024, 01:25 PMRight...so Florida's ready to pay 10.5-11 per year? If not then there's not a chance they get Lane, imo.
I don't think they get Lane. I think they'll hire Drinkwitz.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 16, 2024, 01:35 PMI guess I get the appeal of constant warm weather. I turkey hunted close to Gainesville last March. It was mid to upper 90's, humid, snakey, gatory, and skeetery. I hunted the Sierra Madre's in Mexico in April where it was 20 degrees every morning. I hunted four western states close to the Canadian border in May that was similarly cool. I'm going back this spring to all of those places except Florida. I'll never hunt there again.
You hunt a lot more than I do. I'd prefer to live somewhere warm and travel to hunt rather than live somewhere cooler and travel to swim, bike, dive, golf, etc. But I do understand the reasoning...a warmer lifestyle just fits me better than the alternative.
I imagine the only thing Drinkwitz does outside is coach football.
Right now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 16, 2024, 10:37 PMRight now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.
Thank you!
The Auburn and Florida glory years are behind us as the rationale that, "It's a better job!"
Okay, maybe. But what can't Kiffin, or Dork, accomplish at their schools, that will take longer at FL or AU, with the higher risk for failure. For what, another 1.5-2mm more per year?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 16, 2024, 10:37 PMRight now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.
I don't agree with that. I don't know what Florida's NIL is compared to MU, but it's much easier to recruit at a high level tban MU.
Is it possible that a lot of us are applying outdated thinking to what our perceived notions of what good situations look like? Location location location? Nope. It's a lot more about a cash economy and where that cash is directed. When you look at Florida for instance...this state traditionally churns out a shit ton of talent each year and no doubt still does. BUT is it becoming a bit more like Texas talent that comes out of high school more like a finished product maxed out with little or no room to grow? Isn't that what we were told during the Mack Brown days? Well lets table that for now and refocus more on NIL.
I think we all agree quarterback is a super critical position and it seems to be something that both Napier and Cornrows have struggled with in the NIL era. I don't think either coach suddenly went retarded. They made bad decisions on their QB investments and their programs are tanked because of it. Very likely both lose their jobs over it. Who out there is really developing their own QBs anymore? Well let me help you...Texas. They have two or three QBs on their roster that would not only start but probably be stars anywhere in college football right now today. I'm sure there are others but Texas is the example I could come up with but the trend is to outsource that critical position to hired guns.
There seems to be so much emphasis in college football NIL is on the QB for good reason but those evaluations need to be good fits. I'd much rather put that money toward OL and DL and take my chances on development at the QB position over the longer term taking a "earn it" type of stance.
Your situation is only ever gonna be as good as the evaluations thru the NIL as far as I'm concerned and there's going to be programs that are good at taking advantage of this and there's gonna be programs that make excuses and blame their fans for not shitting out a $100 per month.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 16, 2024, 10:37 PMRight now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.
Missouri is not, never has been, and never will be a better job than Florida. That's just crazy talk.
The list of people who have "won" at Missouri is:
Don Faurot
Gary Pinkel.
Neither of them won at anywhere near the level of Spurrier or Meyer.
The landscape may have changed, but it didn't move recruits out of the state of Florida and into Missouri.
Quote from: animal on Sep 17, 2024, 07:03 AMIs it possible that a lot of us are applying outdated thinking to what our perceived notions of what good situations look like? Location location location? Nope. It's a lot more about a cash economy and where that cash is directed. When you look at Florida for instance...this state traditionally churns out a shit ton of talent each year and no doubt still does. BUT is it becoming a bit more like Texas talent that comes out of high school more like a finished product maxed out with little or no room to grow? Isn't that what we were told during the Mack Brown days? Well lets table that for now and refocus more on NIL.
I think we all agree quarterback is a super critical position and it seems to be something that both Napier and Cornrows have struggled with in the NIL era. I don't think either coach suddenly went retarded. They made bad decisions on their QB investments and their programs are tanked because of it. Very likely both lose their jobs over it. Who out there is really developing their own QBs anymore? Well let me help you...Texas. They have two or three QBs on their roster that would not only start but probably be stars anywhere in college football right now today. I'm sure there are others but Texas is the example I could come up with but the trend is to outsource that critical position to hired guns.
There seems to be so much emphasis in college football NIL is on the QB for good reason but those evaluations need to be good fits. I'd much rather put that money toward OL and DL and take my chances on development at the QB position over the longer term taking a "earn it" type of stance.
Your situation is only ever gonna be as good as the evaluations thru the NIL as far as I'm concerned and there's going to be programs that are good at taking advantage of this and there's gonna be programs that make excuses and blame their fans for not shitting out a $100 per month.
This right here. And Sarkisian is doing what he learned from Saban on recruiting and player development in the lines and skill positions on both sides of the ball. He runs hard practices and lots of film work. With the added element that he has managed nil and portal well.
The idea that you just buy pieces with nil is not winning football. Takes culture, development, game coaching and team execution. Wait these all all things Sam Pittman cannot do or has no clue about. Silly Putty for a brain will not get er done.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 17, 2024, 08:21 AMThis right here. And Sarkisian is doing what he learned from Saban on recruiting and player development in the lines and skill positions on both sides of the ball. He runs hard practices and lots of film work. With the added element that he has managed nil and portal well.
The idea that you just buy pieces with nil is not winning football. Takes culture, development, game coaching and team execution. Wait these all all things Sam Pittman cannot do or has no clue about. Silly Putty for a brain will not get er done.
The best use of NIL and the portal is as a supplement to your roster. You shouldn't have to bring in 8-10 guys to be starters or key contributors every year. It's supposed to be a band aid, not an ongoing treatment for chronic illness.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 17, 2024, 07:52 AMThe list of people who have "won" at Missouri is:
Don Faurot
Gary Pinkel
Star Wars nerd?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 17, 2024, 08:34 AMStar Wars nerd?
He's had one winning season out of four. I'm pumping the brakes on calling him a winner just yet.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 17, 2024, 08:21 AMThis right here. And Sarkisian is doing what he learned from Saban on recruiting and player development in the lines and skill positions on both sides of the ball. He runs hard practices and lots of film work.
The difference between being a great assistant coach and a great head coach is the difference between being a great employee and a great boss. Not everybody wants to own their own business, or is cut out for it. Being in charge is a whole different deal, personality wise.
There's plenty of great employees who worked for a great boss but didn't turn out to be great bosses themselves. (Stan Heath, John Pelphrey, Sean Sutton, sort of Bielema). Of course, sometimes someone can be both. (Kirby Smart, the JFB tree). But it's more rare.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 17, 2024, 07:52 AMMissouri is not, never has been, and never will be a better job than Florida. That's just crazy talk.
The list of people who have "won" at Missouri is:
Don Faurot
Gary Pinkel.
Neither of them won at anywhere near the level of Spurrier or Meyer.
The landscape may have changed, but it didn't move recruits out of the state of Florida and into Missouri.
Right now it is, should it be - no, never but right now at this moment in timeit is.
Why is Florida not better? Why is Florida State a dumpster fire?
And Miami is one loss away from being atire fire too.
Crazy times we live in.
Watch Florida bring Meyer back.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 17, 2024, 09:00 AMRight now it is, should it be - no, never but right now at this moment in timeit is.
Why is Florida not better? Why is Florida State a dumpster fire?
And Miami is one loss away from being atire fire too.
Crazy times we live in.
Watch Florida bring Meyer back.
It's only better because Florida has made poor coaching hires. Just like Missouri and Ole Miss are only better jobs than Arkansas today because of the disparity in the quality of coaches. The inherent factors that make Florida (and Arkansas to a lesser degree) better than OM or Missouri have not changed.
Arkansas wasn't a better job than Alabama from 1998-2006, even though we were the better team on the field most of that time. Nor was Arkansas a better job than Georgia or Tennessee in 2009-2011 in spite of the fact that we were more successful in the short term. Those three always had a higher upside and more to offer the right coach...they just had a hard time finding the right leader.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Sep 17, 2024, 02:03 AMI don't agree with that. I don't know what Florida's NIL is compared to MU, but it's much easier to recruit at a high level tban MU.
I don't know about Mizzou but Chris Doering was on the radio yesterday saying that the Grove Collective is far better than Florida's. He even said that he sees no reason for Lane to leave Ole Miss for FL at this point in time and doesn't think he would.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 17, 2024, 09:08 AMIt's only better because Florida has made poor coaching hires. Just like Missouri and Ole Miss are only better jobs than Arkansas today because of the disparity in the quality of coaches. The inherent factors that make Florida (and Arkansas to a lesser degree) better than OM or Missouri have not changed.
Arkansas wasn't a better job than Alabama from 1998-2006, even though we were the better team on the field most of that time. Nor was Arkansas a better job than Georgia or Tennessee in 2009-2011 in spite of the fact that we were more successful in the short term. Those three always had a higher upside and more to offer the right coach...they just had a hard time finding the right leader.
agreed, it has been all about the coach in college but that's changing, maybe
Bama has not had to have great NIL because kids wanted to be coached by Saban.
Ole Miss and Mizzou have better NIL than florida because they have to to get players where as Florida thinks well we're surrounded by talent we'll just cherry pick but it doesn't work that way with every school now coming into the state.
If NIL was the answer then explain why aTm can't win. Teasip has been wandering the desert for years until now - crazy how Sark is the guy to win there. So many the coach is still a factor. Wait, Ole Miss is just gonna be the new aTm until a Lane coached team actually beats a top 10 opponent.
I did find it interesting that Hunter sounded the alarm on collectives then later said we had a football collective, we do?
Also it's telling that football is having NIL issues while the national media keep harping on the perception that Arkansas Basketball is leaps and bounds above everyone nationally in NIL.
Say the NIL money comes in trucks tomorrow and the players roll in -- is Sam Pittman the guy you trust to be your head coach with that talent? Even with NIL there is still no guarantee we are going to be competitive with top 6 SEC schools and now we're surrounded on all sides of the state by SEC Schools.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 17, 2024, 04:16 PMWait, Ole Miss is just gonna be the new aTm until a Lane coached team actually beats a top 10 opponent.
kiffin is going to ny6 bowls while we go to memphis or stay at home, and nil is playing a huge part of it.
who has the better shot at making the 12 team playoff this year? arkansas fans would give their left nut to be in that position, top 10 wins or not.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 17, 2024, 04:16 PMagreed, it has been all about the coach in college but that's changing, maybe
Bama has not had to have great NIL because kids wanted to be coached by Saban.
Ole Miss and Mizzou have better NIL than florida because they have to to get players where as Florida thinks well we're surrounded by talent we'll just cherry pick but it doesn't work that way with every school now coming into the state.
NIL can boost your ceiling, but coaching sets the floor.
If NIL was the answer then explain why aTm can't win. Teasip has been wandering the desert for years until now - crazy how Sark is the guy to win there. So many the coach is still a factor. Wait, Ole Miss is just gonna be the new aTm until a Lane coached team actually beats a top 10 opponent.
I did find it interesting that Hunter sounded the alarm on collectives then later said we had a football collective, we do?
Also it's telling that football is having NIL issues while the national media keep harping on the perception that Arkansas Basketball is leaps and bounds above everyone nationally in NIL.
Say the NIL money comes in trucks tomorrow and the players roll in -- is Sam Pittman the guy you trust to be your head coach with that talent? Even with NIL there is still no guarantee we are going to be competitive with top 6 SEC schools and now we're surrounded on all sides of the state by SEC Schools.
I can answer the aTm part. It's because they're fucking weirdos.
To get a young urban kid with options to go there, you have to pay them. When you overpay you get issues like we had last year...players get content. And aTm can't afford to be disciplinarians because kids on their team are just looking for an excuse to leave that shithole and get away from those goat fuckers.
Does anyone know how these NIL payments are disbursed? Because it sure looked like mofos didn't get paid last week. :stache:
gruden tells cbs sports he's interested in coaching a college team. just sayin'.
nobville will have 100 page thread about this.
What color tie was he wearing when he said it? I remember back when I was a student at UA and those nobville idiots were jizzing all over each other that Gruden was meeting the PTB at Powerhouse late at night to negotiate terms. Got bored and drove by there - lights out not a car to be seen. The mods told me I must have just missed the meeting.
Oh, shit, never mind. Lane to Florida and Gruden to Ole Miss confirmed.
https://x.com/bmarcello/status/1836414291118805287
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2024, 10:57 AMgruden tells cbs sports he's interested in coaching a college team. just sayin'.
nobville will have 100 page thread about this.
Gruden has surely healed from all those racist thoughts racing thru his head and onto an email by now. But getting hired at Arkansas would make heads explode at ESPN. Cherry on top if he keeps Petrino on staff.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2024, 11:05 AMCherry on top if he keeps Petrino on staff.
The pussy brothers of the Ozark mountains.
i thought the emails were about him calling a bunch of people gay, including goodell. and he didn't like female refs.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2024, 11:13 AMi thought the emails were about him calling a bunch of people gay, including goodell. and he didn't like female refs.
I guess I can forget about an NFL career.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2024, 11:13 AMi thought the emails were about him calling a bunch of people gay, including goodell. and he didn't like female refs.
Might have been I can't remember
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2024, 11:13 AMi thought the emails were about him calling a bunch of people gay, including goodell. and he didn't like female refs.
That's my memory also.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2024, 10:57 AMgruden tells cbs sports he's interested in coaching a college team. just sayin'.
nobville will have 100 page thread about this.
He's buddies with John Daly!
He spoke at the touchdown club!
Gruden confirmed.
He's interested in college because he's blacklisted in the NFL. Zero chance Goodell is going to allow him back. Neither's ego would allow it.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 18, 2024, 11:02 AMOh, shit, never mind. Lane to Florida and Gruden to Ole Miss confirmed.
I realize this is sarcasm but Gruden straight to, and staying in, Florida makes much more sense.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Sep 18, 2024, 01:52 PMI realize this is sarcasm but Gruden straight to, and staying in, Florida makes much more sense.
Very possible. There aren't a ton of "home run hires" out there to be had. At least not any that seem overly plausible as it stands right now.
This sport has really had a lot of names from college and pro that have left the chat. A few may end up coming back but we'll just have to see. I think a guy like Pete Carroll as old as he is would be a good college coach still if he wanted to be.
I'm not convinced gruden will be a good college coach. Always wondered why everyone assumed he would be way back to our search and his red tie.
Grud Times!
Talkin' 'bout a touchdown,
Grud Times,
Keepin' rivals on the ground,
Grud Times,
Defense rockin' all night,
Grud Times,
Every game's a dogfight!
Hangin' in the red zone,
Watchin' them Gators groan,
Saturdays at the stadium,
Grud Times, we ain't fadin' 'em!
Ain't we lucky, playin' in the SEC,
Grud Times!
Field goal stress is just divine,
Grud Times,
Chasin' Bama every time,
Grud Times,
Takin' down those Tiger squads,
Grud Times,
Throwin' Hail Marys to the gods!
Down South, we know the way,
Tailgate starts at break of day,
Rivalries hotter than July,
Grud Times under southern skies!
Ain't we lucky, it's all about the SEC,
Grud Times!
Quote from: BASS on Sep 18, 2024, 04:34 PMI'm not convinced gruden will be a good college coach. Always wondered why everyone assumed he would be way back to our search and his red tie.
I'm with you.
His return to the NFL seemed lackluster, always was overrated IMO.
It would be a splash hire with ripples dissipating before long.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2024, 02:38 PMVery possible. There aren't a ton of "home run hires" out there to be had. At least not any that seem overly plausible as it stands right now.
This sport has really had a lot of names from college and pro that have left the chat. A few may end up coming back but we'll just have to see. I think a guy like Pete Carroll as old as he is would be a good college coach still if he wanted to be.
That's an interesting angle I hadnt considered. With NIL in college now it looks more like pro ball, and coaches dont have dance the NCAA dance like they used to. Imagine Pete Carrol with a budget in SoCal back in the day. Oh, wait...bad example.
Gruden to Florida, with a giant NiL and staff budget would be fun to watch though.
Quote from: BASS on Sep 18, 2024, 04:34 PMI'm not convinced gruden will be a good college coach. Always wondered why everyone assumed he would be way back to our search and his red tie.
Agreed, his terminology and system is too wordy for college athletes and the limited work week will be an issue too.
https://x.com/nfllegacy/status/1288613547400818688?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 18, 2024, 10:35 PMAgreed, his terminology and system is too wordy for college athletes and the limited work week will be an issue too.
That's the 2003 Super Bowl Champion, Tampa Bay Bucs offensive line he's coaching there. Given the chance to coach college, I doubt he'd throw those same formation cadences at some 20 year olds.
He about skeeted himself when Ryan Mallett broke out a play call for him.
He'd probably leave the set and go murder Kendall Briles if he ever had to interview one of his QB's.
Gruden: "Tell me one of your favorite play calls and let's break it down."
QB: <stays silent and starts gesturing frantically>
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 19, 2024, 08:04 AMHe about skeeted himself when Ryan Mallett broke out a play call for him.
He'd probably leave the set and go murder Kendall Briles if he ever had to interview one of his QB's.
Gruden: "Tell me one of your favorite play calls and let's break it down."
QB: <stays silent and starts gesturing frantically>
Can you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
Gruden: KJ, look at this defense, and tell me what the middle linebacker is going to do if you move the X receiver in motion from left to right in a third and medium.
KJ (wearing candy stripe three piece suit): I haz Corvette.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 08:08 AMCan you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
Might somehow be worse than "26!"
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 08:08 AMCan you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
It would go about like the one he had with Cam Newton, I'm guessing.
Gruden:"What kind of verbiage did you use at Auburn when calling plays?"
Cam: "36"
If the Hogs hire Gruden does that mean we all have to unsee Mrs. Duckman's tits?
Well that doesn't matter. I regret none of my actions regarding those.
There is nothing saying he wouldn't be a good head coach at the college level. I think he was a bit washed as a pro head coach but his 2nd stint in Oakland was cut short.
I doubt he would make college kids learn his complex nomenclature the way he would a pro team. Gruden's offense is hardly dynamic by today's standards it's the method of communicating it that's hard.
I think he would probably be a better version of Mark Richt at the college level.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 19, 2024, 08:04 AMHe about skeeted himself when Ryan Mallett broke out a play call for him.
I pulled that video up and watched it again. Man, we lost a good one when we lost Ryan.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 19, 2024, 08:12 AMWell that doesn't matter. I regret none of my actions regarding those.
Bingo. I'd look at em again, too.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 08:08 AMCan you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
Gruden: KJ, look at this defense, and tell me what the middle linebacker is going to do if you move the X receiver in motion from left to right in a third and medium.
KJ (wearing candy stripe three piece suit): I haz Corvette.
:maundoed:
Thank you for that.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 19, 2024, 08:12 AMWell that doesn't matter. I regret none of my actions regarding those.
Can't unspill that seed.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 09:11 AMCan't unspill that seed.
Just remember, young man, it says in the Bible, it's better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 08:08 AMCan you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
Gruden: KJ, look at this defense, and tell me what the middle linebacker is going to do if you move the X receiver in motion from left to right in a third and medium.
Main thang is ... fuck it Treylon down there somewhere.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 08:08 AMCan you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
Gruden: KJ, look at this defense, and tell me what the middle linebacker is going to do if you move the X receiver in motion from left to right in a third and medium.
KJ (wearing candy stripe three piece suit): I haz Corvette.
That shit right there is hilarious. :D
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2024, 08:08 AMCan you imagine Gruden doing one of those interviews with KJ?
Gruden: KJ, look at this defense, and tell me what the middle linebacker is going to do if you move the X receiver in motion from left to right in a third and medium.
KJ (wearing candy stripe three piece suit): I haz Corvette. I like Skittles.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 19, 2024, 10:30 AMMain thang is ... fuck it Treylon down there somewhere.
That was basically our offense.
Quote from: Zoso on Sep 20, 2024, 11:59 AMThat was basically our offense.
It's early. Eventually the offense will just be "Fuck it".
A couple of wheels are falling off the Gus Bus.
https://x.com/ucfknightnews/status/1850309384359883208?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
making it hard to use arkansas for leverage in the next contract.
Some how somewhere Gus went full retarded with his QB choices and development.
Also that offense is a bit out of date now apparently. There are variations of it ran by others that are better.
Quote from: animal on Oct 27, 2024, 04:26 PMSome how somewhere Gus went full retarded with his QB choices and development.
Also that offense is a bit out of date now apparently. There are variations of it ran by others that are better.
He's never developed a QB. Never been a case of a marked improvement from year one to year two for a QB under Gus Malzahn.
All successful ones were inherited, transfered, or freak of an athlete.
This coming season hiring season we could see Oklahoma and Auburn hiring as neither coach is very convincing that they'll impress. I have no idea what Florida's situation is but maybe them too. Point is like usual we'll have waited until other programs are also looking for new marriage arrangements knocking us down the list.
We've got other programs like Missouri and Ole Miss that seem like they are established with their coaches but we're at that 5 or 6 year itch and if neither guy is moving those programs further up the ladder they'll be pressure. Also coaches like those guys tend to lift their skirt after so long.
Kiffin was smart to not go to Alabama following Saban and it's going to be very difficult for them to cut bait. Kiffin would have them over a barrel in the near future...he'll command something like 12 mil per. Bama really fucked the dog on that hire of their current coach and then giving that guy that contract was horrendously stupid. They could have hired me and got the same results. This isn't a ringing endorsement of Kiffin. I think he's a decent coach with an entertaining brand that might be downright dangerous with the type of talent he'd get at Alabama. But he's basically getting that kind of talent already so who knows. Bama was probably headed on a downward path anyway and that's why Saban was smart enough to not overstay. His time had come to move on.
Quote from: animal on Sep 04, 2025, 07:27 AMThis coming season hiring season we could see Oklahoma and Auburn hiring as neither coach is very convincing that they'll impress. I have no idea what Florida's situation is but maybe them too. Point is like usual we'll have waited until other programs are also looking for new marriage arrangements knocking us down the list.
We've got other programs like Missouri and Ole Miss that seem like they are established with their coaches but we're at that 5 or 6 year itch and if neither guy is moving those programs further up the ladder they'll be pressure. Also coaches like those guys tend to lift their skirt after so long.
Kiffin was smart to not go to Alabama following Saban and it's going to be very difficult for them to cut bait. Kiffin would have them over a barrel in the near future...he'll command something like 12 mil per. Bama really fucked the dog on that hire of their current coach and then giving that guy that contract was horrendously stupid. They could have hired me and got the same results. This isn't a ringing endorsement of Kiffin. I think he's a decent coach with an entertaining brand that might be downright dangerous with the type of talent he'd get at Alabama. But he's basically getting that kind of talent already so who knows. Bama was probably headed on a downward path anyway and that's why Saban was smart enough to not overstay. His time had come to move on.
Kiffin isn't getting anywhere near the type of talent at Ole Miss that he would at Alabama.
They probably should have hired him when Saban left, but like you said Lane may have been wise to wait out the first failure.
bama never even considered kiffin according to their ad. deboer was hired less than 48 hours after saban retired so the deal had to have been struck some time prior to nick hanging it up.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 04, 2025, 09:11 AMbama never even considered kiffin according to their ad. deboer was hired less than 48 hours after saban retired so the deal had to have been struck some time prior to nick hanging it up.
Rumor is that Saban nixed Kiffin as an option.
Shortsighted on his part if true.
I'd prefer to see Kiffin at Alabama. We're used to losing to them/being below them in the standings. We need Ole Miss to regress back to their normal spot at the bottom of the middle tier/top of the bottom tier.
I bet they throw an entire bank at Dabo before they give Lane a call. The AD needs to just resign because he's in a can't-win position. Alabama fans think the Saban era is the norm for them, like LSU fans who forgot what life was like before he was there. It's a National Championship ever 3-4 years, minimum, or it'll be time for another new coach.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 04, 2025, 09:13 AMRumor is that Saban nixed Kiffin as an option.
Shortsighted on his part if true.
I'd prefer to see Kiffin at Alabama. We're used to losing to them/being below them in the standings. We need Ole Miss to regress back to their normal spot at the bottom of the middle tier/top of the bottom tier.
there's no love lost between the two as far as saban is concerned. when and if the time comes, i bet saban will pretty much be allowed to make the call himself.
i agree dabo could be the guy, two championships, doesn't talk shit on twitter, just wins.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 04, 2025, 09:14 AMI bet they throw an entire bank at Dabo before they give Lane a call. The AD needs to just resign because he's in a can't-win position. Alabama fans think the Saban era is the norm for them, like LSU fans who forgot what life was like before he was there. It's a National Championship ever 3-4 years, minimum, or it'll be time for another new coach.
I don't see why Dabo would leave, or why Clemson would let him. Unlike Alabama, they do seem to remember what happened to their program between Danny Ford's forced departure and Dabo's first good team.
I'm just not real high on Dabo and not convinced he would "fix" Bama. From what I understand about Dabo is he's kind of rejected this NIL/Portal shit more so than other schools. He's still focusing on high school talent etc. This doesn't seem like a winning strategy and only would be if he's able to retain those kids for a big run into the future. Clemson had something going on for a while but maybe the clock has struck midnight.
From an outsider perspective it seems completely weird that Bama has gone off the rails like this soon, but we're also in a new NIL/Portal era so shit can change quickly. And by "gone off the rails" I'm not suggesting that Bama is going to go 6-6 or some shit...they'll still probably win 10 games this season at min.
Saban was the Coach K of college football essentially. He saw the writing on the wall and got off the buss. K did the same but really both were retirement age so it's entirely possible that both would have stay longer had they been younger. Arguably neither coach would have enjoyed the same successes that they had prior to the NIL/portal era.
Bama's coach may average 10 wins and still be a huge disappointment. That's why following Saban was going to be difficult for anyone. He'll always be remembered like that too unless he can win a natty. He may not be a terrible coach at all but I'm getting the vibe that maybe that program was too big for him and we're seeing it unfold like that. It wasn't too big for Kiffin who has that experience of prime jobs in which he basically failed at but that prior failures led him to become a more stable option.
For us I still think Traylor at UTSA may be a very viable option. It'll likely just whelm everyone but I think the guy could be a good under the radar coaching hire. If he jumps up and wins at a decent clip this season he's probably going to be in some conversations at other big jobs. I really wouldn't be mad at either the Ku or K-State coaches getting hired here either.
I think Venables, Freeze, and Napier are on the hottest seats. Florida's schedule is brutal, and I don't think OU is as good as their ranking. The loser of the Iron Bowl will probably get fired Bert-style walking off the field.
I imagine Kiffin and Drinkwitz will try to levarage a good year this year to a "better" job for next year.
Regarding Alabama, I saw where one of their former quarterbacks stated he knew for a fact their (Alabama's) NIL was much lower than some of the other conference schools. I have a difficult time believing that statement, but if it is true, they might be trying to hire a great value Mike DuBose in December.
Alabama has ALWAYS cheated to get where they are. Now that everyone can pay, they'll have a harder time getting back. You hate to see it.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 04, 2025, 11:03 AMAlabama has ALWAYS cheated to get where they are. Now that everyone can pay, they'll have a harder time getting back. You hate to see it.
Same can be said for Auburn.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 04, 2025, 11:03 AMAlabama has ALWAYS cheated to get where they are. Now that everyone can pay, they'll have a harder time getting back. You hate to see it.
My guess is those programs have to completely overhaul their funding efforts and maybe it's not overly advantageous anymore for some of those that were providing the funding from before to continue into the future thru legitimate means. e.g. it was dirty money
And some would argue that Nick Saban is to be taken at his word that they weren't cheating at all. I don't believe it but when you have the kind of credibility he carried that can have a huge impact.
Quote from: animal on Sep 04, 2025, 11:28 AMMy guess is those programs have to completely overhaul their funding efforts and maybe it's not overly advantageous anymore for some of those that were providing the funding from before to continue into the future thru legitimate means. e.g. it was dirty money
And some would argue that Nick Saban is to be taken at his word that they weren't cheating at all. I don't believe it but when you have the kind of credibility he carried that can have a huge impact.
I loved when Shane Gillis called Saban out for cheating.
Quote from: animal on Sep 04, 2025, 11:28 AMMy guess is those programs have to completely overhaul their funding efforts and maybe it's not overly advantageous anymore for some of those that were providing the funding from before to continue into the future thru legitimate means. e.g. it was dirty money
And some would argue that Nick Saban is to be taken at his word that they weren't cheating at all. I don't believe it but when you have the kind of credibility he carried that can have a huge impact.
I can believe that by the end of Saban's run Alabama was cheating less than they had in the past. They didn't have to cheat as blatantly to recruit well when they had the best coach in the game. But they absolutely built their program on rampant cheating. That includes Saban's rise to prominence there.
after reading a couple of bama boards i think what mccarron was trying to say is that they don't have a yellawood or tyson or a small group of big dicks who give beucoup bucks. they rely on some mid level guys and a lot of ordinary fans to make the nil pot.
they'll give after winning the sec and/or playing for national championships. after going 8-4, not so much.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 04, 2025, 12:17 PMafter reading a couple of bama boards i think what mccarron was trying to say is that they don't have a yellawood or tyson or a small group of big dicks who give beucoup bucks. they rely on some mid level guys and a lot of ordinary fans to make the nil pot.
they'll give after winning the sec and/or playing for national championships. after going 8-4, not so much.
It's the same reason why Ole Miss has had their recent run of relative success.
They can't rely on billionaires and corporations to fund their program because they don't have any (or very few if any). Instead of hitting up the CEO or heirs of the founders of Fortune 500 companies, they go to the personal injury lawyer in Greenville, the tractor dealer in Itta Bena, or the guy who owns twelve liquor stores in greater Jackson. Those types are much better fits for the NIL era, as they don't have to justify the cost to shareholders.
We have those types too, but Hunter is either too stupid or too lazy to cultivate them. And honestly I can understand if it's the latter. Having all that money concentrated within twenty miles of campus for years made fund raising easier for Arkansas than it should have been in a state like ours.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 04, 2025, 12:17 PMafter reading a couple of bama boards i think what mccarron was trying to say is that they don't have a yellawood or tyson or a small group of big dicks who give beucoup bucks. they rely on some mid level guys and a lot of ordinary fans to make the nil pot.
they'll give after winning the sec and/or playing for national championships. after going 8-4, not so much.
Correct. They're stuck with him. No one outside of about 5 schools can afford to pay their buyouts now that revenue sharing kicked in on top of NIL spending. They'll start the FOIA phone record requests soon if they haven't already and/or give him the Harsin treatment.
Kiffin probably has better nil at ole miss than Alabama, which benefited from guys wanting to play for Saban then nfl in lieu of nil.
With schools having to use $20 mill for players, I don't think we will see a lot of buyouts paid. Add to that the new staff cost, it is too much for a vast majority of schools who are probably paying down some debts as well I.e. north end zone.
Will be interesting to see moving forward if head coach and AD salaries and buyouts stay as high as they are now
Good football is a boon to a university. Ole Miss is raking in out-of-state tuition now with kids from all over going there for the lifestyle. I know half a dozen kids over there when a few years ago it wasn't even on the radar for kids around here. It's the hot school right now affluent white kids looking to have a good time.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 04, 2025, 11:03 AMAlabama has ALWAYS cheated to get where they are. Now that everyone can pay, they'll have a harder time getting back. You hate to see it.
So, we should have an easier time to get where we ain't?
Yay! We're going to a Natty!
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Sep 05, 2025, 07:41 AMGood football is a boon to a university. Ole Miss is raking in out-of-state tuition now with kids from all over going there for the lifestyle. I know half a dozen kids over there when a few years ago it wasn't even on the radar for kids around here. It's the hot school right now affluent white kids looking to have a good time.
You sure Ole Miss is charging out-of-state tuition for those kids? Probably waived it like at UA.
Quote from: mde114 on Sep 05, 2025, 08:57 AMYou sure Ole Miss is charging out-of-state tuition for those kids? Probably waived it like at UA.
For a lot of them they are. They waive some with the grades and the scores but not all.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Sep 05, 2025, 07:41 AMGood football is a boon to a university. Ole Miss is raking in out-of-state tuition now with kids from all over going there for the lifestyle. I know half a dozen kids over there when a few years ago it wasn't even on the radar for kids around here. It's the hot school right now affluent white kids looking to have a good time.
Not saying it's not a boon, but it appears Arkansas keeps seeing the "boon" as well and there's hasn't been much football to be excited about.
Quote from: Borenutz on Sep 05, 2025, 12:34 PMNot saying it's not a boon, but it appears Arkansas keeps seeing the "boon" as well and there's hasn't been much football to be excited about.
Thank the sororities and Rush-tok for that. Arkansas finished first in this year's Rush-tok rankings. Our sorority bid day is becoming legendary.
NIL has shifted the dynamic from seeking the best option to go to the NFL (Alabama) to the best option for NIL (not Alabama).
Programs willing to spend on both will dominate. Programs like Arkansas will masturbate.
Quote from: obijuana on Sep 05, 2025, 04:04 PMNIL has shifted the dynamic from seeking the best option to go to the NFL (Alabama) to the best option for NIL (not Alabama).
Programs willing to spend on both will dominate. Programs like Arkansas will masturbate.
true
amazing we struggle to recruit football players in the two states the majority of enrolled students are from.
Still a long ass way from home to Fayetteville for everyone, not just players.
Quote from: obijuana on Sep 05, 2025, 04:04 PMNIL has shifted the dynamic from seeking the best option to go to the NFL (Alabama) to the best option for NIL (not Alabama).
Programs willing to spend on both will dominate. Programs like Arkansas will masturbate.
💯
For students in north Texas, it's faster to Fayetteville, and cheaper than driving to Lubbock. Or south. It's why UA one Oklahoma schools get a lot of Texas kids.
Virginia Tech will be the first opening.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 07, 2025, 09:36 AMVirginia Tech will be the first opening.
Shane Beamer may be the next one to get the gig but the question may be is Va Tech even a better job than South Carolina. Arguably it isn't.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 07, 2025, 09:36 AMVirginia Tech will be the first opening.
I dunno; they gave Fuente 6 years and he went 24-23 overall and 0-1 in bowls his last 4 years.
Quote from: animal on Sep 07, 2025, 09:51 AMShane Beamer may be the next one to get the gig but the question may be is Va Tech even a better job than South Carolina. Arguably it isn't.
I don't think VT is a better job. I suppose some might disagree.
family history might be enough to get him to go but not a lot of coaches leave the sec voluntarily.
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 07, 2025, 11:01 AMI don't think VT is a better job. I suppose some might disagree.
Upon further review
If wiki is to be believed Beamer is making over 8 per at SC right fuckin now...VT is paying their guy 4 per. I imagine they aren't going to pony up to that next level to pull away an SEC coach. If Beamer has a good season it's very possible they'll be options if any bigger time gigs open such as a Florida that's interested in not sucking...
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 07, 2025, 11:01 AMI don't think VT is a better job. I suppose some might disagree.
I don't understand the national exposure VT gets. Michael Vick hasn't walked through that door in a many a year.
And I don't care what anyone says, their entrance (Enter Sandman) is as lame and overrated as their program.
Quote from: obijuana on Sep 08, 2025, 10:58 PMI don't understand the national exposure VT gets. Michael Vick hasn't walked through that door in a many a year.
And I don't care what anyone says, their entrance (Enter Sandman) is as lame and overrated as their program.
mic drop
Quote from: obijuana on Sep 08, 2025, 10:58 PMI don't understand the national exposure VT gets. Michael Vick hasn't walked through that door in a many a year.
And I don't care what anyone says, their entrance (Enter Sandman) is as lame and overrated as their program.
ESPN built VaTech way before Vick. I remember when it seemed like the early game on ESPN was always a VaTech game. They were not in a conference and I guess they were cheap for ESPN to air. They were always on.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Sep 09, 2025, 12:01 PMESPN built VaTech way before Vick. I remember when it seemed like the early game on ESPN was always a VaTech game. They were not in a conference and I guess they were cheap for ESPN to air. They were always on.
I want to say a few of those Big East football programs ended up getting heavily pimped by ESPN back in the late 90s early 2000s. The Big 10 also had a lot of early early ESPN games back then too.
I kinda remember waking up in the 90s and ESPN would very often air Va Tech in the early game...they were the Louisville (Petrino Part 1) of their time and once they got a bit big for their breaches ESPN started shifting over to others like Louisville who I believe may have played in the same league with Memphis and some others that would eventually go CUSA. I don't think Louisville was ever in CUSA but maybe they were. Might have been Great Midwest Conference or something like that.
Anyway during Vick and after ESPN pretty much started showing Va Tech in later time slots and I think by the "Enter Sandman" was some big shit. I can't remember if Drunkenmiller was before or after Vick but they had a decent run of QBs for a good while.
seems like they got a lot of thursday games if i remember right.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 09, 2025, 01:02 PMseems like they got a lot of thursday games if i remember right.
VA Tech and Rutgers were ESPN darlings of the Big East.
At least VT had great special teams and then Vick but that's about it.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 09, 2025, 05:55 PMVA Tech and Rutgers were ESPN darlings of the Big East.
At least VT had great special teams and then Vick but that's about it.
They were looking for dc and new York eyeballs and influence.
I bet ESPN has bought a lot of bureaucrats at the fcc over the years.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 09, 2025, 01:02 PMseems like they got a lot of thursday games if i remember right.
Exactly what I was thinking. Don't think I ever saw VT except on Thursdays for several years.
Of course being a Hog fan, I can only run my mouth so far.....
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Quote from: obijuana on Sep 09, 2025, 07:50 PMOf course being a Hog fan, I can only run my mouth so far.....
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Those dang 4th quarters come at you so fast
Quote from: animal on Sep 09, 2025, 07:56 PMThose dang 4th quarters come at you so fast
The whole fucking second half was VT. The Bert express ran out of steam this game and the Misery game.
That's the one one of our dumbass players stolt some shit, right?
Quote from: PorkyPig on Sep 10, 2025, 07:03 AMThat's the one one of our dumbass players stolt some shit, right?
Yes
I think it was one of our TEs at the time. Can't remember his name off hand.
and did Drew Morgan spit on somebody in the same game? I think maybe so.
Quote from: PorkyPig on Sep 10, 2025, 07:03 AMThat's the one one of our dumbass players stolt some shit, right?
Sprinkle
Quote from: PorkyPig on Sep 10, 2025, 07:03 AMThat's the one one of our dumbass players stolt some shit, right?
Jeremy Sprinkle...wasn't it from somewhere like Belk?
Really having high aspirations there.
Dude had NFL potential if I remember right.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 10, 2025, 08:44 AMJeremy Sprinkle...wasn't it from somewhere like Belk?
Really having high aspirations there.
Dude had NFL potential if I remember right.
It was from Belk, when they were already on an outing spending gift cards given to them by the bowl.
The Belk Bowl, sponsored by Belk, who gave them all gift cards for a shopping spree to get free stuff at Belk, and that retard got caught stealing shit anyway.
Should have thrown him off the team on the spot and made him find his own ride home.
fith round pick. played five seasons in the nfl.
four with washington and his last with dallas.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 09, 2025, 08:54 PMThe whole fucking second half was VT. The Bert express ran out of steam this game and the Misery game.
It's amazing to think that Bert was 2
historically terrible second halves away from being 9-4 in 2016, and likely our coach in 2018 regardless of what happened that next season.
We were up 24-7 at half on Mizzou, and 24-0 at half on VT. We scored ZERO in the second half of both games and shit our pants in both.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 10, 2025, 09:55 AMIt's amazing to think that Bert was 2 historically terrible second halves away from being 9-4 in 2016, and likely our coach in 2018 regardless of what happened that next season.
We were up 24-7 at half on Mizzou, and 24-0 at half on VT. We scored ZERO in the second half of both games and shit our pants in both.
$15 million whether you give a shit or not changes the way you coach.
To completely implode like that when we were in full control of the game is worse than getting blown out from the start. Soul crushing.
It's a rug pull that us fans are still traumatized about.
Nothing was worse than chad from a metrics standpoint but we at least had the solace knowing no way he'll be here for much longer, if not complete apathy at that point
Quote from: Feral on Sep 10, 2025, 09:55 AMIt's amazing to think that Bert was 2 historically terrible second halves away from being 9-4 in 2016, and likely our coach in 2018 regardless of what happened that next season.
We were up 24-7 at half on Mizzou, and 24-0 at half on VT. We scored ZERO in the second half of both games and shit our pants in both.
And yet, Bert did whatever it took not to win nine games.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 10, 2025, 09:55 AMIt's amazing to think that Bert was 2 historically terrible second halves away from being 9-4 in 2016, and likely our coach in 2018 regardless of what happened that next season.
We were up 24-7 at half on Mizzou, and 24-0 at half on VT. We scored ZERO in the second half of both games and shit our pants in both.
The Tito's was in full control by that point.
I actually saw some talking head pimping Illinois as a playoff team.
Bert, DeBoer, and Brian Kelly epitomize the notion that southern football is a completely different animal. Coach-program fit matters.
Bert severely underestimated the difficulty of the SEC, plain and simple. He treated it like an 8-5 whereas maniacs like Saban, Smart, and even Malzahn were working 18-20 hour days trying to get an edge.
In the Big Ten, you can get up and down for games throughout the season when you play OSU one week and then follow it up with Indiana, Northwestern, and Purdue the next 3. He'll be fine at Illinois and probably retire there having won little of significance.
DeBoer is eerily similar to Bert in that he had no clue what he was getting into culturally, having spent the better part of his life in the Dakotas and on the West Coast.
I still think Saban knew when to take his bow and get the fuck out. This was a margin call for him...he could see the peaks and valleys getting deeper. It shows his vanity.
The competition gap had closed greatly because of NIL/Portal is essentially going to create a competition level far more similar to the NFL than anything we've seen previously. The parity in the SEC is going to be at an all time high probably as soon as this season. It'll be even more apparent in basketball but certainly it'll apply to football as well.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 11, 2025, 05:42 AMBert severely underestimated the difficulty of the SEC, plain and simple. He treated it like an 8-5 whereas maniacs like Saban, Smart, and even Malzahn were working 18-20 hour days trying to get an edge.
Was Spurrier just an anomaly with working 40 hours a week instead of the "normal" 100 hours that most major college football coaches put in?
Quote from: arreferee on Sep 11, 2025, 09:25 AMWas Spurrier just an anomaly with working 40 hours a week instead of the "normal" 100 hours that most major college football coaches put in?
Probably so, though Bob Stoops (who coached under Spurrier at Florida) reportedly followed a similar approach at OU.
Quote from: animal on Sep 11, 2025, 06:24 AMI still think Saban knew when to take his bow and get the fuck out. This was a margin call for him...he could see the peaks and valleys getting deeper. It shows his vanity.
The competition gap had closed greatly because of NIL/Portal is essentially going to create a competition level far more similar to the NFL than anything we've seen previously. The parity in the SEC is going to be at an all time high probably as soon as this season. It'll be even more apparent in basketball but certainly it'll apply to football as well.
I don't think Saban left because of fear of competition. He was not liking coaching pro players who could say fuck off and hit the portal if he yelled at them or slept in film room. Plus he's a multimillionaire in his 70's. We'd all say fuck it too.
ucla and va tech fire their coaches.
Nico is the new DJU lol. Can't wait to see who he ruins next year.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 11, 2025, 02:00 PMProbably so, though Bob Stoops (who coached under Spurrier at Florida) reportedly followed a similar approach at OU.
Spurrier always had the best talent from the major pool of Florida. Miami closed ranks on their local kids but he had the northern part of the state. FSU had some moments of course but they were able to pull more kids out of Georgia and Eastern Alabama.
Stoops may have had to scrap harder for players but they always raided Texas hard.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 14, 2025, 12:31 PMNico is the new DJU lol. Can't wait to see who he ruins next year.
UCLA talking about going to FCS or D2 ball from what I heard the other day. So DJU redux will probably indeed go elsewhere.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 12, 2025, 09:03 PMI don't think Saban left because of fear of competition. He was not liking coaching pro players who could say fuck off and hit the portal if he yelled at them or slept in film room. Plus he's a multimillionaire in his 70's. We'd all say fuck it too.
In an article from March 6, 2024: Ex-Alabama coach Nick Saban sheds light on why he retired (https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/former-alabama-hc-nick-saban-cites-nil-for-retirement)
"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?," Saban told ESPN in an interview published on Wednesday morning.
"Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field.
"So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, that the goals and aspirations are just different and that it's all about how much money can I make as a college player?' I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying that's never been what we were all about, and it's not why we had success through the years."
Paying players is exactly why they've had success through the years.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 15, 2025, 11:26 AMPaying players is exactly why they've had success through the years.
He just wasn't comfortable with everyone being able to pay players.
Let's go ahead and bump this one back to the top.
Can we add Athletic Directors to the title as well?
Quote from: Papa Pigeritus on Sep 21, 2025, 06:15 AMCan we add Athletic Directors to the title as well?
Yes please
Flush 'em all like a bad case of the shits.
The hot seat finally caught up with Mike Gundy today.
He gone.
Quote from: RPL on Sep 23, 2025, 12:21 PMThe hot seat finally caught up with Mike Gundy today.
He gone.
Sounds like a candidate for the next head hog.
Quote from: dhog on Sep 23, 2025, 12:25 PMSounds like a candidate for the next head hog.
With a stupid buyout.
Quote from: RPL on Sep 23, 2025, 12:21 PMThe hot seat finally caught up with Mike Gundy today.
He gone.
Surprised he survived last season after their record and his comments about the complaining fans are the ones that can't pay their bills. He's probably done for a hot minute at least.
Quote from: Gambler on Sep 23, 2025, 12:33 PMWith a stupid buyout.
But someone might take him from us
We are Gundy's last power 4 win.
I bet we hire Gundy.
The headline I saw was: "Gundy out at OK St after fan outrage."
If only it was that simple for us.
Dabo having a melt down is pretty funny...with NIL & the Portal we're seeing a lot more parity. The schools like Clemson and Bama are not nearly as deep as once were. And like with all things Arkansas we still can't take any kind of advantage when literally half the schools in college football P5s have increased their competitiveness because of the recent changes. You might say our leadership and structuring is questionable at best. If I'm HY and I think it's really a matter of getting some laws updated, removed, rewritten whatever then why not be loud about it?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 23, 2025, 01:44 PMI bet we hire Gundy.
That would be a great hire. In 2013.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 23, 2025, 04:06 PMThat would be a great hire. In 2013.
Yes this program has progressed well beyond that. We're likely up to 2015 standards by now.
He'd still be light years better than Pittman. Low hurdle to clear.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 23, 2025, 01:44 PMI bet we hire Gundy.
The relocation package wouldn't need much at all.
Yuri could grab a U-Haul and have it done in a weekend.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Sep 23, 2025, 04:29 PMHe'd still be light years better than Pittman. Low hurdle to clear.
He went 0-12 in the Puss 12 last year, that's Chad Morris level.
Quote from: CardHog on Sep 23, 2025, 05:17 PMHe went 0-12 in the Puss 12 last year, that's Chad Morris level.
If it hadn't been for Pittman's team of losers he would have only had like 2 wins all season.
Quote from: CardHog on Sep 23, 2025, 05:17 PMHe went 0-12 in the Puss 12 last year, that's Chad Morris level.
Yet still beat Sam. That was my point.
Quote from: Papa Pigeritus on Sep 23, 2025, 05:09 PMThe relocation package wouldn't need much at all.
Yuri could grab a U-Haul and have it done in a weekend.
You know that mullet-head has packed a U haul a few times.
OSU rumors are offering BMFP the HC gig.
If he is just offered the interim gig here he'll have to consider jumping if they'll give him a 4-5 year package.
OSU hiring Petrino resolves HY's current BP issue.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 23, 2025, 07:51 PMOSU rumors are offering BMFP the HC gig.
If he is just offered the interim gig here he'll have to consider jumping if they'll give him a 4-5 year package.
Of course they are. :suicide:
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 23, 2025, 07:59 PMOf course they are. :suicide:
So, typically Arkansas. And that makes sense as to why OSU would fire Gundy now. They want to beat us to the punch.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 23, 2025, 07:56 PMOSU hiring Petrino resolves HY's current BP issue.
Nope, whether hiring Bobby is a good idea or not, him going to OSU would be the final nail for Hunter.
Like pouring gas on the dumpster fire.
Losing BP and keeping Sam would see the stadium burned down by the fans.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 23, 2025, 07:51 PMOSU rumors are offering BMFP the HC gig.
If he is just offered the interim gig here he'll have to consider jumping if they'll give him a 4-5 year package.
Do we march on Fayetteville with torches and pitchforks now or do we wait to see if the rumors are true first? It'll take me awhile to march all the way from Jonesboro but I can go ahead and get started.
I wouldn't blame him for leaving the shit show honestly.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 23, 2025, 07:56 PMOSU hiring Petrino resolves HY's current BP issue.
Or puts HY's feet to the fire and forces him to offer Petrino the gig with X years attached.
Half the fan base might be the retarded cousins fighting over Nutt and Gus still, but I think there's a WHOLE LOT of us who want Petrino.
Said it in another thread, but OSU is targeting Zac Robinson, OC of the Atlanta Falcons. He's a former QB. Heard this from a few OSU alumni in Tulsa over the weekend, before Gundy was even officially out.
Just a thought...the BP to OSU rumors might be getting leaked intentionally to try to force Hunter's hand like TC said above. A loss to ND Saturday combined with talk of BP moving a couple of hours westward could push Hunter (or the BoT) to make the move.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Sep 23, 2025, 08:01 PMSo, typically Arkansas. And that makes sense as to why OSU would fire Gundy now. They want to beat us to the punch.
While I believe this would be bad, I really think Yuri and Sam are about to create a total gotterdamerung for the program. We are the WagonQueen Family Truckster of football. We are about to see a tsunami of embarrassing shit that will make merely "fucked up" will be an oasis, beyond the scope of our imaginations. I'm thinking the mayor of Chicago will be out next coach.
Sark is asking for it:
https://x.com/davideckert98/status/1975244754079437174
this tweet, now deleted, quoted Sark as making a comment to the effect that all the other football coaches should have to go to OSU and the Swamp "to see how they would do. " He was immediately reminded that South Florida beat Florida at the Swamp.
https://x.com/jrs_rankings/status/1974582965859709255
Damn they are deleting all the texts about Sark. This one compared his record to James Franklin's record.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 06, 2025, 01:18 PMSark is asking for it:
https://x.com/davideckert98/status/1975244754079437174
this tweet, now deleted, quoted Sark as making a comment to the effect that all the other football coaches should have to go to OSU and the Swamp "to see how they would do. " He was immediately reminded that South Florida beat Florida at the Swamp.
Must have fallen off the wagon.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 06, 2025, 02:22 PMMust have fallen off the wagon.
Not sure if he's bragging that going 0-2 is easy or hard or wtf he is talking about.
There was also another tweet by Sark-- actually an exchange of tweets between Sark and the AD which definitely had and edge on it. Can't find it now.
But if OU shuts them down this weekend, there will be a bunch of pissed off T-sips .
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 06, 2025, 02:52 PMThere was also another tweet by Sark-- actually an exchange of tweets between Sark and the AD which definitely had and edge on it. Can't find it now.
But if OU shuts them down this weekend, there will be a bunch of pissed off T-sips .
You hate it for them.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 06, 2025, 02:52 PMThere was also another tweet by Sark-- actually an exchange of tweets between Sark and the AD which definitely had and edge on it. Can't find it now.
But if OU shuts them down this weekend, there will be a bunch of pissed off T-sips .
OU's gonna kill them.
Preseason number one for the first time ever with Heisman leading QB to 3-3. I'm going to love every minute of it.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 06, 2025, 03:37 PMPreseason number one for the first time ever with Heisman leading QB to 3-3. I'm going to love every minute of it.
And 2026 preseason Top 10!
Quote from: TC on Oct 06, 2025, 03:07 PMOU's gonna kill them.
Doubt it. OU isn't good either.
They may need to beat Texass to be bowl eligible this year. And yes I know they're 5-0.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 06, 2025, 04:50 PMDoubt it. OU isn't good either.
They may need to beat Texass to be bowl eligible this year. And yes I know they're 5-0.
I don't think OU is very good either, but the times I've watched they've look much better than Texas.
Probably a game of who wants to derp it away the worst.
Quote from: TC on Oct 06, 2025, 05:24 PMI don't think OU is very good either, but the times I've watched they've look much better than Texas.
Probably a game of who wants to derp it away the worst.
If Mateer plays for OU and Arch starts for Texas, it could definitely change my opinion.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 06, 2025, 04:50 PMDoubt it. OU isn't good either.
They may need to beat Texass to be bowl eligible this year. And yes I know they're 5-0.
Yeah I whiffed on that one.
Good call
Quote from: TC on Oct 11, 2025, 07:22 PMYeah I whiffed on that one.
Good call
At the beginning of the year I saw OU starting 5-0 and possibly ending up 5-7.
I think they win 1-2 more now, so 6-6 or 7-5. We probably need them to do better so we aren't competing with them in the coaching market.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 11, 2025, 07:24 PMAt the beginning of the year I saw OU starting 5-0 and possibly ending up 5-7.
I think they win 1-2 more now, so 6-6 or 7-5. We probably need them to do better so we aren't competing with them in the coaching market.
This. I'm rooting for all the fringe firing schools to win just enough. I think we have the upper hand on most with Golesh and BP, but there's crazy money out there these days and I'd rather keep the competition low.
Penn state likely to have an opening
their fans are so done with franklin.
then again they are probably having a hard time realizing that they have been severely overated.
I love the collapse of pedo. Fuck those pederasts. Fuck you joe pa.
That IU coach could do nicely at Pedo and at his age if he takes another gig he's going to want to go somewhere that is fully committed to winning largely. I know I would. Hell IU may be able to bank roll a football team legit if they wanted to and maybe that's what they are doing.
Quote from: animal on Oct 12, 2025, 06:45 AMThat IU coach could do nicely at Pedo and at his age if he takes another gig he's going to want to go somewhere that is fully committed to winning largely. I know I would. Hell IU may be able to bank roll a football team legit if they wanted to and maybe that's what they are doing.
They blew the doors off IL and just knocked off Oregon in Eugene. I think IU is committed to winning largely.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 11, 2025, 11:52 PMI love the collapse of pedo. Fuck those pederasts. Fuck you joe pa.
Careful. You're going to get him hard.
oregon st fires their coach.
What about Kennesaw st coach Jerry Mack? He's 45. Someone will hire him.
Franklin lost back to back games as a 20+ point favorite.
A list of all the other coaches who have done that:
1.
$56 million buyout. insane.
I don't see how they keep him despite the buyout. Fickell's is $28MM and he's probably gone too.
Unless something crazy happens I think Freeze and Napier are toast. I doubt Kentucky will pay Stoopid's buyout so Sumrall probably ends up at one or the other.
We're about to get knocked way down the pecking order.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1977433450673258678?t=0U_yOi_-tzMzGoZqtGUJng&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1977433450673258678?t=0U_yOi_-tzMzGoZqtGUJng&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 12, 2025, 01:04 PMhttps://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1977433450673258678?t=0U_yOi_-tzMzGoZqtGUJng&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1977433450673258678?t=0U_yOi_-tzMzGoZqtGUJng&s=19)
Dan Mullen is from Penn and somewhere in the back of my mind Penn State was interested in him in 2011.
I don't want Franklin but I think he'll do a good job for somebody.
More and more openings that happen, more likelihood Petrino will be the guy.
Wisconsin is on the clock......
https://x.com/jimrutledge/status/1977187132310524287?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 12, 2025, 01:04 PMhttps://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1977433450673258678?t=0U_yOi_-tzMzGoZqtGUJng&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1977433450673258678?t=0U_yOi_-tzMzGoZqtGUJng&s=19)
The year after being in the playoffs & winning two playoff games?
He's had a tough two weeks but that would shock me. He needs Dabo's PR and agent who is having a similar year.
Franklin just got a helluva payday. $50 million buyout is what I saw.
Gonna be a wild coaching off-season
This is the new reality of college athletics...when you are flipping rosters every single season it's bound to happen that you are going to turn in a turd.
Quote from: animal on Oct 12, 2025, 01:32 PMDan Mullen is from Penn and somewhere in the back of my mind Penn State was interested in him in 2011.
If memory serves, he pursued it hard while still at Miss St, but didnt get it.
Quote from: animal on Oct 12, 2025, 02:13 PMThis is the new reality of college athletics...when you are flipping rosters every single season it's bound to happen that you are going to turn in a turd.
Gonna be much harder to sustain success.
They probably believe the Drew Allar hype is still real
There's plenty of good coaches. What is franklins issue to force this instead of riding it out? Shitty play in NIL? Drunkenness? Fucking little boys? That's a huge hit and the price will be higher on a new dude.
Some of these openings will go to retreads or one hit wonders that flop. Most of these old coaches aren't hip to nil the portal and new approaches to highly paid teenagers. If bmfp doesn't like his chances in Fayetteville he could jump.
The hot ticket this year will be Cignetti if things continue as they are. He has a long contract and likely an ugly buyout. Auburn will go after him I believe.
In olden times new coaches got five years to succeed with their players and staff. Portal and nil make that antiquated. I would go short term. 3 years, bigger salary and lesser buyout.
These dumbass AD's giving ridiculous buyouts is what is nuts. I realize they have to be competitive to get good coaches, but $50M and Jimbo's $75M or whatever it was, is ridiculous.
Use to be, these ridiculous contracts are to say "you'll get your 5 years if you come here" and tells recruits you'll be committing to a guy for your whole college career.
But NIL and transfer portal changes all that. You can flip (or flop) a roster in an off season. Schools are firing their "commitment" coaches anyway and eating the buyout.
I don't know what point I'm trying to make , just reiterating the obvious craziness and shifting paradigms that is college football.
The current system does not benefit anyone.
looks like their biggest donor, who owns the bills and sabers, dropped the check.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 12, 2025, 02:37 PMThe current system does not benefit anyone.
Benefited Franklin's agent, accountant, and financial adviser
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 12, 2025, 02:37 PMThe current system does not benefit anyone.
I assume the players would disagree.
guess who his agent is, lol.
But this is what they wanted, right?
I figured there would be a change at Pedo State at the end of the season, not now. Not sure what firing him now could do.
We did that, but we had a head coach on the sideline waiting...
I'm going to assume losing to UCLA and Northwestern doesn't bode well for the remainder of their Big 10 schedule.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 12, 2025, 02:52 PMBut this is what they wanted, right?
I don't think anyone envisioned what we have today. Considering the radio silence from the NCAA, etc , I'm not sure it's fixable.
I googled "How big is NCAA football from a revenue perspective."
The answer: "From a revenue perspective, college football is a multi-billion dollar business, comparable to major professional sports leagues like the NBA and MLB. The top athletic conferences and individual schools generate massive revenues, primarily driven by lucrative media rights deals and football ticket sales."
Tell me why again the average fan and businesses needs to donate to NIL? the entire thing is fucked up.
Penn State collapsed because the players stopped buying in.
Same thing happened here, and at UCLA, etc.
It's part of the new era. You buy players, but you can't buy heart and grit. They play for money, not pride, and if they perceive the season is going down, they won't hustle or put their body on the line. They'll loaf, they'll be distracted, they'll give up on a play, etc. That's how close losses to good schools become blowouts to good schools or close losses to bad schools.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 12, 2025, 02:10 PMThe year after being in the playoffs & winning two playoff games?
He's had a tough two weeks but that would shock me. He needs Dabo's PR and agent who is having a similar year.
Dabo put a ring on it.
Franklin just let them feel him up in the shower.
Just like the NFL, it's harder to build unity, but still possible. The motivation is financial but so is creating value for yourself. Winning solves all problems.
Start allowing incentives to the players beyond the free agency acquisition and of course the outstanding education they are getting...then I think you might see some "buy in" and less quit.
uab fires trent dilfer.
the in season firing of coaches has become a thing.
Getting our firing in early looks like we are first to get in the back of the line.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 12, 2025, 05:17 PMuab fires trent dilfer.
the in season firing of coaches has become a thing.
Familiar interim coach
https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1977499278181573078?t=kNdEEM0SoKjCiQ9Xicc2WQ&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1977499278181573078?t=kNdEEM0SoKjCiQ9Xicc2WQ&s=19)
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 12, 2025, 05:28 PMGetting our firing in early looks like we are first to get in the back of the line.
We had a big jump on Ole Miss last time and still lost out on Kiffin.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 12, 2025, 05:40 PMFamiliar interim coach
https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1977499278181573078?t=kNdEEM0SoKjCiQ9Xicc2WQ&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteNakos_/status/1977499278181573078?t=kNdEEM0SoKjCiQ9Xicc2WQ&s=19)
Love the dude. Hope he does well
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 12, 2025, 05:42 PMWe had a big jump on Ole Miss last time and still lost out on Kiffin.
That was kind of the point of my....nm
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 12, 2025, 03:19 PMPenn State collapsed because the players stopped buying in.
Same thing happened here, and at UCLA, etc.
It's part of the new era. You buy players, but you can't buy heart and grit. They play for money, not pride, and if they perceive the season is going down, they won't hustle or put their body on the line. They'll loaf, they'll be distracted, they'll give up on a play, etc. That's how close losses to good schools become blowouts to good schools or close losses to bad schools.
This right here. It's the law of unintended consequences in action. We all knew the money game was going to make players less loyal and soft. I'm not sure anyone foresaw the tertiary effects. Kids quit, coaches get fired, interim comes in and kids play for a bit just to get their next bag... rinse and repeat.
...but much like Marxism, eventually they're going to run out of other people's money to spend. Pretty easy to rack up hundreds of millions of debt in a very short time.
My lulz for the day.
https://x.com/bunkieperkins/status/1977443217911197837?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
There's lots of lions and tigers, but there's only 1...(checks notes)...Nittany Lion!
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 12, 2025, 03:13 PMI googled "How big is NCAA football from a revenue perspective."
The answer: "From a revenue perspective, college football is a multi-billion dollar business, comparable to major professional sports leagues like the NBA and MLB. The top athletic conferences and individual schools generate massive revenues, primarily driven by lucrative media rights deals and football ticket sales."
Tell me why again the average fan and businesses needs to donate to NIL? the entire thing is fucked up.
Google is not entirely correct in this. There is great disparity among the various colleges involved with respect to the money available.
That disparity creates an uneven playing field. Your attitude is why "small" schools like Arkansas stay small.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 12, 2025, 10:37 PMGoogle is not entirely correct in this. There is great disparity among the various colleges involved with respect to the money available.
That disparity creates an uneven playing field. Your attitude is why "small" schools like Arkansas stay small.
It's a multi billion dollar industry. There is more than enough money to go around without fans and businesses needing to donate to professional athletes.
College football, like all other professional sports, can figure out how to share the wealth they are already generating.
People complain the system is broke but I'm the one with the attitude problem. I don't get that at all.
One last thing; college players and the WNBA players have one thing in common. They scream "pay me what I'm worth." But it appears there really isn't this big pool of money they have been denied.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 13, 2025, 04:31 AMIt's a multi billion dollar industry. There is more than enough money to go around without fans and businesses needing to donate to professional athletes.
College football, like all other professional sports, can figure out how to share the wealth they are already generating.
People complain the system is broke but I'm the one with the attitude problem. I don't get that at all.
One last thing; college players and the WNBA players have one thing in common. They scream "pay me what I'm worth." But it appears there really isn't this big pool of money they have been denied.
You are right in an ideal world. That world does not exist and likely never will.
As long as there is one person willing to work outside the norms (with the ability to do so), there will be another, then another trying to outdo those two, and so on.
Until they stop keeping score and awarding championship, someone is always going to be willing to do a little bit extra to gain or extend a competitive advantage.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 13, 2025, 07:59 AMYou are right in an ideal world. That world does not exist and likely never will.
As long as there is one person willing to work outside the norms (with the ability to do so), there will be another, then another trying to outdo those two, and so on.
Until they stop keeping score and awarding championship, someone is always going to be willing to do a little bit extra to gain or extend a competitive advantage.
This is why the closed, semi-monopolistic
professional sports model -- revenue sharing, salary caps, trade (transfer) restrictions, communistic access to talent (draft in reverse order), contracts, tampering rules -- is the only way to maintain competition in a
professional sports league.
College football and basketball are a bastard child in between amateurism and professional management right now. It's untenable and who knows how long it will take to get there.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 13, 2025, 07:59 AMYou are right in an ideal world. That world does not exist and likely never will.
As long as there is one person willing to work outside the norms (with the ability to do so), there will be another, then another trying to outdo those two, and so on.
Until they stop keeping score and awarding championship, someone is always going to be willing to do a little bit extra to gain or extend a competitive advantage.
Of course you are 100% right. I'm simply a crotchety old man saying "GET OFF MY LAWN" with this entire thing. I don't think I'll ever be able to change with the times on where college athletics is going.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 13, 2025, 08:21 AMOf course you are 100% right. I'm simply a crotchety old man saying "GET OFF MY LAWN" with this entire thing. I don't think I'll ever be able to change with the times on where college athletics is going.
I get it, and feel the same way. Don't like where the sport has gone at all. The newest model, with revenue sharing AND NIL is even worse. Advocates for players being paid always used the argument that doing so would end cheating. That's completely antithetical to economic reality. Someone is always going to work outside the framework to get an edge. The market will still direct players to the highest bidder, legal (within the rules) or otherwise.
If we go back a few seasons, it looked like nil was going to be linemen getting a free chopped beef sandwich and a drink at wrights bbq every week. Paying players was to give them a small slice of the fortunes amassed by the schools.
Instead the mess we got created competition from schools, the collectives, and the foundations. All with their handouts. With a portal chaser that enables players to move at will. I'd like to see the sec produce a standard contract that goes with the letter. That dictates term of service.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 13, 2025, 08:58 AMIf we go back a few seasons, it looked like nil was going to be linemen getting a free chopped beef sandwich and a drink at wrights bbq every week. Paying players was to give them a small slice of the fortunes amassed by the schools.
Instead the mess we got created competition from schools, the collectives, and the foundations. All with their handouts. With a portal chaser that enables players to move at will. I'd like to see the sec produce a standard contract that goes with the letter. That dictates term of service.
Some standardization in the SEC would be a start, but of course then the players could just jump to another conference. Until they come up with some way to actually make the players abide by the rules across all of college football, we will have turmoil. The way they do it in the NFL is through the collective bargaining agreement with the player's union. Something similar might work in the major college world.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 13, 2025, 09:47 AMSome standardization in the SEC would be a start, but of course then the players could just jump to another conference. Until they come up with some way to actually make the players abide by the rules across all of college football, we will have turmoil. The way they do it in the NFL is through the collective bargaining agreement with the player's union. Something similar might work in the major college world.
Collective bargaining would certainly help, as would significant punishment for violators.
The one thing in the "can't pay players" era that was never really tried, the thing that could have shut down illegal payments faster than anything, would have been to put it all on the head coaches instead of insulating them by punishing assistants. Make the head coaches responsible for any rules violations at their schools, with a ten year ban on working in the sport and no buyout payments allowed.
Does anyone really believe that Nick Saban didn't control every aspect of what his underlings were doing? If he had an assistant paying players you can damn well know that Nick knew about it. And by the same token you know he would have gotten a handle on boosters paying players if it meant he was about to lose his job and the ability to earn millions doing it - not just at Alabama but anywhere in CFB - if someone representing his school got caught breaking rules. I'm just using Saban as an example...use any major coach you like in his place.
Entirely foreseeable. In fact, it happened before in the 1920s and was why the NCAA came into being and was so draconian in its interpretation of the rules. They knew that once the dam broke on paying players and amateur status it was Katy bar the door and we would be where we are in short order.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 13, 2025, 08:16 AMThis is why the closed, semi-monopolistic professional sports model -- revenue sharing, salary caps, trade (transfer) restrictions, communistic access to talent (draft in reverse order), contracts, tampering rules -- is the only way to maintain competition in a professional sports league.
College football and basketball are a bastard child in between amateurism and professional management right now. It's untenable and who knows how long it will take to get there.
Exactly right. The question is who's first and what does it look like? Some school is going to get caught in a cascade of: stadium expansion, coach buyouts, our team sucks and no ticket sales, economic slowdown. The next step is they can't make a payment. It's going to happen.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 13, 2025, 12:28 PMExactly right. The question is who's first and what does it look like? Some school is going to get caught in a cascade of: stadium expansion, coach buyouts, our team sucks and no ticket sales, economic slowdown. The next step is they can't make a payment. It's going to happen.
Great - a bailout to pay Sexton & Co.
Titans fired Brian Callahan
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 13, 2025, 02:06 PMGreat - a bailout to pay Sexton & Co.
And he (and all of the lawyers) still make money after the bailout because they get to do it all over again. The fix is in on all of this. The only way to stay competitive is to pay college football players exorbitant amounts of money and the only way to make that work is to have enough senior citizens willing to pledge $10 a month.
Quote from: pigtacular on Oct 13, 2025, 02:10 PMTitans fired Brian Callahan
He is a chip off the old block. I guess maybe the Bengals can take him back and fix Joe Burrow next off season
Titans are about as trash as the Jets.
Quote from: animal on Oct 13, 2025, 02:28 PMHe is a chip off the old block. I guess maybe the Bengals can take him back and fix Joe Burrow next off season
Titans are about as trash as the Jets.
Speaking of the Jets, what did they see in Justin Fields that made them say, "he's our QB". Dude can't pull the trigger on a pass under 5 seconds to save his life. Of course yesterday he was on his ass most of the time in about 3 seconds.
Quote from: dhog on Oct 13, 2025, 03:08 PMSpeaking of the Jets, what did they see in Justin Fields that made them say, "he's our QB". Dude can't pull the trigger on a pass under 5 seconds to save his life. Of course yesterday he was on his ass most of the time in about 3 seconds.
He did ok ish with the Steelers
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 13, 2025, 10:13 AMCollective bargaining would certainly help, as would significant punishment for violators.
The one thing in the "can't pay players" era that was never really tried, the thing that could have shut down illegal payments faster than anything, would have been to put it all on the head coaches instead of insulating them by punishing assistants. Make the head coaches responsible for any rules violations at their schools, with a ten year ban on working in the sport and no buyout payments allowed.
Does anyone really believe that Nick Saban didn't control every aspect of what his underlings were doing? If he had an assistant paying players you can damn well know that Nick knew about it. And by the same token you know he would have gotten a handle on boosters paying players if it meant he was about to lose his job and the ability to earn millions doing it - not just at Alabama but anywhere in CFB - if someone representing his school got caught breaking rules. I'm just using Saban as an example...use any major coach you like in his place.
How do you have collective bargaining when they aren't employees of anyone? To do that it's time to just do away with the ruse of "student athletes" and make them 1099 contracted employees. Let them go to class or give them vouchers for after football. They can have a union. A salary cap. Strict penalties for stupid boosters. Let them play from 18 til whenever the coach cuts them.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 13, 2025, 10:22 PMHow do you have collective bargaining when they aren't employees of anyone? To do that it's time to just do away with the ruse of "student athletes" and make them 1099 contracted employees. Let them go to class or give them vouchers for after football. They can have a union. A salary cap. Strict penalties for stupid boosters. Let them play from 18 til whenever the coach cuts them.
From the federal definition it could be argued that they are indeed employees
They don't provide their own equipment
They are told when and where to be
They are expected to uphold some measure of representation in a positive light their school
They are paid
At best they are contract workers. How do you force collective barganing on contract workers?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 14, 2025, 06:44 AMAt best they are contract workers. How do you force collective barganing on contract workers?
Ask the electricians, plumbers, etc.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 14, 2025, 06:59 AMAsk the electricians, plumbers, etc.
A quick google said the following (which is gospel I'm sure):
Question - "Are contract workers subject to collective bargaining agreement in private industry"
Answer - "No, generally contract workers are not subject to a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) because most are classified as independent contractors who lack the right to bargain collectively under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA). However, some contract workers on government projects may be covered by a specific labor agreement that dictates their pay and benefits, such as the Service Contract Act. "
"Independent contractor status: The NLRA, which governs collective bargaining in the private sector, explicitly excludes independent contractors from its protections. Since contract workers are considered their own bosses rather than traditional employees, they do not have collective bargaining rights."
"Exclusion from federal law: The NLRA excludes a broad category of workers, including independent contractors, agricultural workers, and domestic workers, from the right to organize and bargain."
"Service Contract Act (SCA): For service contracts with the federal government, the SCA requires that service employees be paid at least the prevailing wage and fringe benefits. If the predecessor contractor had a CBA, the successor contractor must pay the contract workers at least the rate established in that agreement for the first year, even if the new contractor's employees were not previously employed by the predecessor."
"Project Labor Agreements (PLAs): The federal government can also require a PLA on specific construction projects, which can cover contract workers on that particular job."
After futher googling I think the players are employees and should be able to bargain collectively. Seems the NLRB agrees - at least they did back in 2021 when they issued an opion stating as much.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 14, 2025, 07:35 AMAfter futher googling I think the players are employees and should be able to bargain collectively. Seems the NLRB agrees - at least they did back in 2021 when they issued an opion stating as much.
They meet the definition of employees that the rest of us have to follow.
The powers that be in college athletics have been pushing for an antitrust exemption. I think part of that is to prevent players from being classified as employees.
Can you imagine the workmen's comp premiums that universities would have to pay on football players?
Didn't even think about the insurance side of that equation. Wow.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 14, 2025, 07:49 AMDidn't even think about the insurance side of that equation. Wow.
Imagine the EMR on a program that has workplace injuries every single day.
And of course there is state and federal unemployment.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 14, 2025, 07:35 AMAfter futher googling I think the players are employees and should be able to bargain collectively. Seems the NLRB agrees - at least they did back in 2021 when they issued an opion stating as much.
the nlrb under the current administration rescinded that opinion earlier this year, and in effect sided with the ncaa. there's not much momentum at the federal level in getting things decided one way or another.
on another note, let's say a way opens up for it to happen. there's about 1600 nfl players on rosters and practice squads. there's about 7100 players just in the p4 conferences alone. how easy is it going to be to get 7100 17-23 year olds to agree on anything?
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 14, 2025, 09:20 AMthe nlrb under the current administration rescinded that opinion earlier this year, and in effect sided with the ncaa. there's not much momentum at the federal level in getting things decided one way or another.
on another note, let's say a way opens up for it to happen. there's about 1600 nfl players on rosters and practice squads. there's about 7100 players just in the p4 conferences alone. how easy is it going to be to get 7100 17-23 year olds to agree on anything?
Isn't it just majority vote? You don't get 5 people to agree on anything, much less 1600 or 7100.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 14, 2025, 09:31 AMIsn't it just majority vote? You don't get 5 people to agree on anything, much less 1600 or 7100.
Probably why you have representatives for player unions to negotiate CBAs and such.
so, a majority of 7100 17-23 years old kids. doesn't make it any easier to decide on who are the representatives or what exactly is it they want.
You're eventually going to see about 65 teams come out and form their own thing and then that league will have a CBA. Congress isn't going to act on this because the Dems won't go along with anything that seems to limit what a young black player can make. It just isn't going to happen.
We all got into the wrong profession when we finally grew up and decided what we wanted to do. We all should have gone into coaching. Get hired, have a winning season, get and new contract and a huge buyout, then shit the bed, and retire with a ton of money for doing nothing. Seems to be the norm now.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 14, 2025, 09:20 AMthe nlrb under the current administration rescinded that opinion earlier this year, and in effect sided with the ncaa. there's not much momentum at the federal level in getting things decided one way or another.
on another note, let's say a way opens up for it to happen. there's about 1600 nfl players on rosters and practice squads. there's about 7100 players just in the p4 conferences alone. how easy is it going to be to get 7100 17-23 year olds to agree on anything?
:thumb_up:
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 14, 2025, 10:18 AMWe all got into the wrong profession when we finally grew up and decided what we wanted to do. We all should have gone into coaching. Get hired, have a winning season, get and new contract and a huge buyout, then shit the bed, and retire with a ton of money for doing nothing. Seems to be the norm now.
this is the way. do just enough to get that big contract, then off to retirement with more money than i'll make in my lifetime.
This why you don't hire someone like Franklin. The guy is 53 and he just got handed $56 million dollars. He would be an exceptional human being if he didn't lapse into DGAF mode pretty damn quick. He ain't gonna go somewhere like Arkansas and work as hard as it will take to succeed.
A guy like Franklin needs to be out of coaching for a few years and start feeling the itch again, but even then it is a risk. He now has "fuck you" money and if he decides he does not give a fuck, there is nothing you can do to make him feel differently.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 14, 2025, 12:01 PMThis why you don't hire someone like Franklin. The guy is 53 and he just got handed $56 million dollars. He would be an exceptional human being if he didn't lapse into DGAF mode pretty damn quick. He ain't gonna go somewhere like Arkansas and work as hard as it will take to succeed.
A guy like Franklin needs to be out of coaching for a few years and start feeling the itch again, but even then it is a risk. He now has "fuck you" money and if he decides he does not give a fuck, there is nothing you can do to make him feel differently.
Agreed. The time to hire him is after his expensive divorce.
doubt there's any interest between franklin and arkansas at all.
message boards, twitterx, discord, they don't have a clue what's going on other than wishful thinking at this point. everyone on here should know that by now.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 14, 2025, 11:26 AMthis is the way. do just enough to get that big contract, then off to retirement with more money than i'll make in my lifetime.
There's a lot of things that have to fall into place for it to happen, and only a few will ever get that taste. What you can't do, if you are a big time program, is give somebody that taste simply because it was his turn. You have to at least coach at Boise State for a year.
I don't begrudge the salaries these coaches make, but if you are getting paid, you better earn it or get the fuck out. That's really more of an athletic director problem than a coaches problem. The AD's are playing with other people's money. How many times have you seen contract negotiations break down and the coach walk?
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 14, 2025, 01:40 PMI don't begrudge the salaries these coaches make
Agree.
My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.
Someone will grab Franklin. Highly doubt he will go jobless. Especially with the jobs open. Unless he wants to.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Oct 14, 2025, 02:19 PMAgree.
My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.
Good luck hiring someone somebody else actually wants. I mean, I agree with you but it is what it is.
It would be inaccurate to call some of these deals "buyouts". It is simply guaranteed money paid out in yearly installments. That's the way Jimbo's was. He got $75 million dollars. Didn't matter whether he was coaching or not.
I saw or heard something earlier today that Franklin has to actively look for work in either coaching or broadcasting (which he would be good on TV). Whatever he makes there deducts that much from his buyout amount from PSU, which surely they set it up as an annual payout.
Quote from: Hognrock on Oct 14, 2025, 02:46 PMI saw or heard something earlier today that Franklin has to actively look for work in either coaching or broadcasting (which he would be good on TV). Whatever he makes there deducts that much from his buyout amount from PSU, which surely they set it up as an annual payout.
Correct. I believe he gets $8MM per year through 2031 and there is a mitigation clause.
We're going to be about the 8th best job available by the end of the season, and that may be generous. Josh Pate has been saying for a couple of weeks that there will be a couple of major openings that no one currently suspects. I would assume that means retirements or someone like Dabo agrees to take less money to move on.
We may be begging Petrino to stay.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Oct 14, 2025, 02:19 PMAgree.
My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.
I think there should be an"underperformance"buyout for the school and a separate 3rd party buyout for someone to hire said coach, generally higher than the school buyout. Maybe there already is some of that though.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Oct 14, 2025, 02:19 PMMy problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.
It's actually the exact opposite. If you take a look at most buyouts, the schools get a fraction of what the coach would get if the coach chose to leave early.
If we are to believe Petrino has a legit shot, there is no need to do much more than seeing who's interested until December.
Arkansas, Kentucky, Auburn, and Florida seem almost certain to have openings this year. OU and South Carolina wouldnt surprise me either, depending on how the back half of the season shakes out.
Vandy and Mizzou may as well if their coaches get poached.
Half the conference may be looking for a head coach in December.
It's gonna be interesting to see if coaches have a shorter leash with the current state of the game. It's gonna be harder to sustain success and results are gonna be expected quicker.
I think Auburn and Kentucky for sure. I'm not sold on Florida pulling the trigger unless the guy just completely bombs the rest of the season.
OU turned in a real turd against a meh Texas team so that doesn't bode well for whoever the fuck is coaching that team...I think the Miss State HC was their OC for a bit so I just wonder if they'll try to go hard for him.
South Carolina...Beamer is so up and down. They are like a better version of us every season but playing a bit weaker competition (Mizzou of the East). I kinda like Beamer but I think he's been there long enough to know what you are going to get and he's never going to get a better gig than South Carolina unless Va Tech is stupid enough to hire him and I'm not so sure that's a better job now.
One thing about it is there just aren't a fuck ton of "hot names" that schools are going to be drooling over. The names we're talking about don't exactly inspire anyone to think of a young Bowling Green....Urban Meyer. There's not really a Cornrows in the bunch to get excited about. That may change as the season unfolds but nobody is getting excited over a ginger from SMU.
Beamer is terrible. Weren't they preseason top 10?
not sure it's a case of having a short leash.
franklin got 12 years, gundy 21, pittman was in his 6th, freeze is in his 4th season as is napier. ucla and oregon st are just morris situations where those guys just didn't have a clue.
the trend seems to be if you want to can the guy just do it so you can get an early search going and not wait until the end of the season.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Nov 30, 2024, 10:31 PMI think if there is no better plan in the works (spoiler alert: we are Arkansas, and there is not) you have to get rid of Sam and promote Bobby to HC. Assuming he wants it and that it can be legally done. There's been so much nonsense about that I don't know who to believe, but if they want to, I'm sure there is a way to work around it.
Bobby will bring discipline if he is in charge. If a player keeps fumbling, their ass will be on the bench. If Green is not better than Singleton or KJ Jackson during spring ball and fall camp, fuck Fletcher's money, Bobby won't play favorites. Players will finally fear the head coach again and that is what we need right now.
He is not washed yet. Hell, we are 4th in the fucking nation in total YPG among P4 schools. With THIS offensive line and THESE players. If you don't see the players we have running wide open and still just completely miss it because of an R-word quarterback, I can't help you. And who knows where we'd be without missing those big plays...much less leading the fucking nation in fumbles?
Rhetorical, I guess...9-3 or better.
Yes, he was blessed with an incredible class coming out of Arkansas high schools in 2008. That's not happening this year. But he always had a gift here for finding rare gems in 3-star talent elsewhere due to a lot of things (measurables, comparing players vs the level of talent they were playing in HS, some other shit, things of that nature) he would explain during those old "Signing Day in the Rock" deals they held. And the portal is a whole new world for him finding those types of guys among G5 schools and maybe a couple of other kids like Drew Sanders or Sorey that are good and just want to get playing time. That wasn't a thing when he was back at Louisville.
Spend the majority of NIL money on the line on both sides of the ball and let BP find us some skill positions.
Next year is going to be tough for anyone. Saban or Urban Meyer could show up tomorrow and we would still struggle to get bowl eligible with next year's schedule.
ANY consistency (as much or as little as that means in the current landscape of CFB) would go a Long way. Hiring Odom and him keeping Bobby on would help some with that, but I'm not sure that excites anyone or increases NIL or enhances recruiting/portaling.
It was a play by the PTB to band-aid the apathy that was there last year by hiring Bobby as OC. I am unsure that there is a better move on the table right now than for them to do the same by making him HC this year.
I hope there is but this is all I gots. Next year's coaching carousel is going to be brutal, and we'll be nobody's darling after our 2025 schedule.
Somebody pretty much predicted y'all's current sentiments in last year's Mizzou postgame discussion. We would be at least 3-3 right now, and more than likely 4-2. There's no way we would have lost more than we did in the portal last December anyway, and it would have immediately brought in more NIL to potentially increase talent across the board. In true Arkansas fashion, we had no foresight from the leadership and wasted a whole offseason and waited 10 months too long and 5/12ths of a season to do the inevitable.
Since the transfer portal + NIL it seems like the leash is shorter.
Three weeks ago Penn St. was coming off a national semifinal appearance, and were sitting at #3 in the country. Now they have fired their HC. That is unprecedented.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 14, 2025, 06:02 PMSince the transfer portal + NIL it seems like the leash is shorter.
Three weeks ago Penn St. was coming off a national semifinal appearance, and were sitting at #3 in the country. Now they have fired their HC. That is unprecedented.
I tend to agree but schools are going to have to realize that everyone, and I do mean everyone, is going to have a turd of a season here and there with the current transfer rules. There's no way you're going to kill it in the portal every single year. We'll see how the Bamas of the world handle that.
Quote from: animal on Oct 14, 2025, 05:33 PMI think Auburn and Kentucky for sure. I'm not sold on Florida pulling the trigger unless the guy just completely bombs the rest of the season.
OU turned in a real turd against a meh Texas team so that doesn't bode well for whoever the fuck is coaching that team...I think the Miss State HC was their OC for a bit so I just wonder if they'll try to go hard for him.
South Carolina...Beamer is so up and down. They are like a better version of us every season but playing a bit weaker competition (Mizzou of the East). I kinda like Beamer but I think he's been there long enough to know what you are going to get and he's never going to get a better gig than South Carolina unless Va Tech is stupid enough to hire him and I'm not so sure that's a better job now.
One thing about it is there just aren't a fuck ton of "hot names" that schools are going to be drooling over. The names we're talking about don't exactly inspire anyone to think of a young Bowling Green....Urban Meyer. There's not really a Cornrows in the bunch to get excited about. That may change as the season unfolds but nobody is getting excited over a ginger from SMU.
I think FL is the most likely to open up next, maybe as soon as next week. I'm sure Kentucky would love to can Stoops but his buyout is over $40MM and I just don't think they care that much. They doubled everyone else's rev share allocation for basketball so I can't see them blowing $40MM on the football coach. Freeze may be able to salvage it but it's highly doubtful. Hopefully we're the ones who give him his last loss. I could see Lashlee or Sumrall ending up there. I think Venables is safe barring a total collapse.
I agree about Beamer but could see VT taking him. He reminds me a lot of Hootie.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 14, 2025, 07:01 PMI think FL is the most likely to open up next, maybe as soon as next week. I'm sure Kentucky would love to can Stoops but his buyout is over $40MM and I just don't think they care that much. They doubled everyone else's rev share allocation for basketball so I can't see them blowing $40MM on the football coach. Freeze may be able to salvage it but it's highly doubtful. Hopefully we're the ones who give him his last loss. I could see Lashlee or Sumrall ending up there. I think Venables is safe barring a total collapse.
I agree about Beamer but could see VT taking him. He reminds me a lot of Hootie.
Beamer is a more polished, less goofy Nutt. Great comparison. Does well when people overlook him, shits the bed at the first hint of expectations.
rather confusing article saying napier is done but the hope is he finishes out the season? why would he stay if that's the case.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/10/15/florida-football-inevitable-firing-of-billy-napier-could-happen-this-weekend-boosters-buyout-sec/86705228007/
Yeah he's done. I won't be the least bit surprised if MSU beats them.
I'm hoping Auburn beats Mizzou this weekend for multiple reasons.
Indiana threw their cock down on the table. Gave Cignetti an 8-year $11.6 million contract.
If by some miracle we had landed Cignetti, we probably would be in the running for oldest trio of head coaches with him, Calipari, and Van Horn. Putting the AR in AARP.
Quote from: flash23 on Oct 16, 2025, 06:58 PMIf by some miracle we had landed Cignetti, we probably would be in the running for oldest trio of head coaches with him, Calipari, and Van Horn. Putting the AR in AARP.
Well, we are where coaches go to retire rich.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 16, 2025, 03:20 PMIndiana threw their cock down on the table. Gave Cignetti an 8-year $11.6 million contract.
You mean 11.6 PER year? Otherwise, that's coordinator money.
college football has just gotten stupid
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 16, 2025, 09:00 PMYou mean 11.6 PER year? Otherwise, that's coordinator money.
Insane money. Maybe it works out but very likely he does not sustain the level of success that commands that amount of money.but if you're Indiana and have never sniffed this kind of success, I guess you have to try something to keep that guy. Just wow though.
indiana plays oregon, no osu or michigan this year. the reverse next season.
he can probably win 10 games a year and it's totally worth it for them. it's mark cuban's money anyway.
So stupid. $8 years. $92 million. Why does one negotiate such a stupid 8 year deal in the era of nil and the portal with a 64 year old coach. WTF will college ball even look like in five years?
No doubt he's going to shit the bed in a couple years and they'll want him fired, but will IU have $45 mil for a buyout. Stupid.
The problem is EVERYBODY expects to be able to win 7-8 a year (even us) but the effects of games on records is always going to be 50-50. Couple that with "you are making millions so you should do better NOW" and you will get the constant churn forever.
How interesting that James Franklin gets fired and lots of speculation where that shitbag is going. But not one peep about our fired shitbag Sam sniffing another job.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 17, 2025, 07:28 AMHow interesting that James Franklin gets fired and lots of speculation where that shitbag is going. But not one peep about our fired shitbag Sam sniffing another job.
Why is that interesting? They are not the same level of coach. Did you need that to happen, to know that? Or do you still feel the need to troll Sam even after he's gone?
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 17, 2025, 07:28 AMHow interesting that James Franklin gets fired and lots of speculation where that shitbag is going. But not one peep about our fired shitbag Sam sniffing another job.
Because Pittman has said that this job would be his last and then he'd retire. That's why.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Oct 17, 2025, 08:41 AMBecause Pittman has said that this job would be his last and then he'd retire. That's why.
No one would hire him as a head coach again even if he wasn't retiring.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 17, 2025, 01:46 PMNo one would hire him as a head coach again even if he wasn't retiring.
I don't know about that. I'm told Bigleow is is struggling this year at 2-4
I would laugh
https://x.com/B1OBEY0ND/status/1979187393543487894
Penn State is crazy. Dude just won two playoff games.
Somehow I don't think Alabama will mind
Heard today that a majority of the board is behind BMFP...that the number of wins needed is lower than we thought. Think 2.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 17, 2025, 07:50 PMHeard today that a majority of the board is behind BMFP...that the number of wins needed is lower than we thought. Think 2.
I don't give a fuck if he doesn't win any. If they show fight and toughness and continue to put up big offensive numbers he should be the man.
I don't remember who it was that said it on the .net but they pretty much predicted that Petrino would return.
Quote from: Zoso on Oct 17, 2025, 08:15 PMI don't give a fuck if he doesn't win any. If they show fight and toughness and continue to put up big offensive numbers he should be the man.
I don't remember who it was that said it on the .net but they pretty much predicted that Petrino would return.
That was part of what I heard. First number was 2 wins, then equivocated to "as long as we show improvement."
We damn near pulled it off against a good Tennessee team in Knoxville. That's improvement enough for me.
Quote from: Zoso on Oct 17, 2025, 08:15 PMI don't give a fuck if he doesn't win any. If they show fight and toughness and continue to put up big offensive numbers he should be the man.
I don't remember who it was that said it on the .net but they pretty much predicted that Petrino would return.
Barring a complete collapse for the rest of the season the job is his, imo.
That won't stop the blue hairs and other idiots from stomping their feet about him after every loss this year though.
I want Bobby to get the gig becuase he never should have lost it.
As a bonus, I want HTL to be mad about it.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 17, 2025, 09:29 PMI want Bobby to get the gig becuase he never should have lost it.
But think of all the potential lawsuits!
I want BP to earn the gig back by winning some games to finish the season. Otherwise agree he should have never been run oft to begin with or at least not for an affair with a lady friend who happened to be working closely under him.
Quote from: animal on Oct 18, 2025, 06:23 AMI want BP to earn the gig back by winning some games to finish the season. Otherwise agree he should have never been run oft to begin with or at least not for an affair with a lady friend who happened to be working closely under him.
And sometimes over him.
I don't think Brian Kelly is at LSU next year - either he gets fired or bolts
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 17, 2025, 07:53 AMWhy is that interesting? They are not the same level of coach. Did you need that to happen, to know that? Or do you still feel the need to troll Sam even after he's gone?
Even though the sec media mourned Sam being gone, especially the sec nation mopes like fucking Tebow saying he couldn't imagine college football without Sam Pittman in it and Bobby Petrino returned. Like he was fucking Dana X Bible. Of course no one is throwing him into and openings because the world truly knows he's a moron. And why isn't he working? Because fucking yuri rolled on mitigation on the buyout. I wanted Sam having to coach o line at Texas Southern.
What's the most coaches fired in the sec in one season?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 18, 2025, 10:47 AMI don't think Brian Kelly is at LSU next year - either he gets fired or bolts
He's looked average at LSU. I'd be surprised if Penn State even picks up the phone for him, but he'd fit in there better than he does in the SEC.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 18, 2025, 11:37 AMHe's looked average at LSU. I'd be surprised if Penn State even picks up the phone for him, but he'd fit in there better than he does in the SEC.
He has "next UNLV Head coach" written all over him.
Supposedly Penn State is looking hard at Fran Brown (Syracuse) but he's 3-3 so not sure he's gonna be a slam dunk hire...won 10 last season.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 18, 2025, 10:47 AMI don't think Brian Kelly is at LSU next year - either he gets fired or bolts
I believe he and deboer want that pedo job. Both are just not able to connect with their fans it seems. Kelly has dropped some of his gayness of velvet loafers and sailor outfits but still.
I'm saying this without knowledge of their buyouts.
I think that bodes well for bmfp if he keeps the team playing hard and steals a couple. Bring in a hard ass d staff, new hardass s/c coach, and raise so money and he'll have us in high cotton quick.
My take:
If Bobby wins 1-2 it's still a long shot he gets the job.
If he wins 3 it's 50/50 he gets it
If he wins 4 he's already got it.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 17, 2025, 10:12 PMBut think of all the potential lawsuits!
We're only about 12th in the SEC in potential.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 18, 2025, 01:20 PMWe're only about 12th in the SEC in potential.
Shit we would give a left nut to be 12th in potential
Why is Clark Lea not a top choice here?
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 18, 2025, 02:14 PMWhy is Clark Lea not a top choice here?
He's not going to take a step down
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 18, 2025, 02:14 PMWhy is Clark Lea not a top choice here?
He's a Vandy alum, he's not going anywhere
if beamer the younger sees a call from va tech, he better answer it.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 18, 2025, 02:53 PMif beamer the younger sees a call from va tech, he better answer it.
I think that's what's going to happen. Va. Tech will be his exit strategy, and I'm not sure they can hire any better than him.
They started the season in the top 10 and are currently 3-4 and staring down the barrel of a 4-8 season.
They still have to play Bama, Ole Miss, A&M, and Clemson.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 18, 2025, 02:14 PMWhy is Clark Lea not a top choice here?
Because his record without Pavia is terrible and it wasn't great with him last year.
Petrino is the easy, obvious, and only choice. Now that teams can't hoard talent and there is a playoff, he can win the whole thing at Arkansas.
No way Freeze survives. It's the first time in school history that Auburn has started 0-4 in conference play in 3 straight seasons.
14-18 under Freeze, and that includes a 1-12 record against top 25 teams. 5-15 against the SEC, 2-8 SEC home games.
We could provide the kill shot next week.
https://x.com/JFergusonAU/status/1979756733749932333
Cornrows on the hot seat this year or will they give him one more?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 19, 2025, 04:28 AMCornrows on the hot seat this year or will they give him one more?
Brutal loss last night. I can't imagine them keeping him another year.
https://x.com/fsh733/status/1979795252560203997?t=cuUQzDnWHVGIQBrzl71VHA&s=19 (https://x.com/fsh733/status/1979795252560203997?t=cuUQzDnWHVGIQBrzl71VHA&s=19)
Yeah....to Stanford? That cancels out beating Alabama. You are back to Square Zero.
Incidentally the pass interference in the end zone on the second play in that sequence was complete bullshit. The receiver grabbed onto the defender and started dancing with him in a desperate and obvious attempt to get a call. Amazingly he got it.
The other side of this is I don't think you're going to see a lot of coaches succeeding move on to take another job. If I'm doing well at a P4 school and I have the support and NIL that I need, why take one of these jobs?
Crazy to think that Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, and South Carolina could all be open this year, and that's on top of Penn State, Virginia Tech, and (potentially) Florida State and Wisconsin.
This is not a year to be coach shopping, and another reason we need to give Petrino the job and let him cook.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 17, 2025, 01:46 PMNo one would hire him as a head coach again even if he wasn't retiring.
I'm aware.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 19, 2025, 09:02 AMWas thinking the same.
The doomsday scenario we've been dreading since 2012 is that we don't hire Petrino and Auburn ends up hiring him.
Ultimately, I think they hire Lashlee if we don't.
Agreed, Auburn goes after Lashlee or Sumrall. I think there would be a revolt if it's Franklin. He's something like 4-22 against top 25 teams while at Penn State.
if auburn fans are any indication, they want nothing to do with anyone who is connected with mahlzan. they genuinely hate the guy.
Quote from: TC on Oct 19, 2025, 10:43 AMAgreed, Auburn goes after Lashlee or Sumrall. I think there would be a revolt if it's Franklin. He's something like 4-22 against top 25 teams while at Penn State.
I think Kentucky has the inside track on Sumrall if they're somehow able to get out from under the Stoops contract.
FSU discussing Norvell's future. Hard to believe that one guy refusing to eat the dog shit cause the whole program to crash out so hard.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 19, 2025, 11:49 AMFSU discussing Norvell's future. Hard to believe that one guy refusing to eat the dog shit cause the whole program to crash out so hard.
How much is his buyout now?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 19, 2025, 11:49 AMFSU discussing Norvell's future. Hard to believe that one guy refusing to eat the dog shit cause the whole program to crash out so hard.
With Gus as interim, that could produce some high comedy.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 19, 2025, 12:15 PMHow much is his buyout now?
around $55 million.
being reported that the players have been informed napier is out.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 19, 2025, 12:21 PMaround $55 million.
being reported that the players have been informed napier is out.
Wow. I'm sure they want him gone yesterday but they don't have the coin.
USA Today reported that Napier was toast last week. I guess they were just waiting for the bye.
https://x.com/GatorsNetwork/status/1979960143627386897?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Unlike Penn State, Florida may actually improve at the HC position.
LSU fans asking Florida to give Brian Kelly a call
This mid-season coaches arms race is wild. I do wonder if one of these AD's is gonna take a chance on Gruden.
Quote from: TC on Oct 19, 2025, 10:43 AMAgreed, Auburn goes after Lashlee or Sumrall. I think there would be a revolt if it's Franklin. He's something like 4-22 against top 25 teams while at Penn State.
Who's the AD at Tulane? Hired Willie Fritz, then sumrall. For a program like that it's good to be a coach factory for the next level.
Quote from: TC on Oct 19, 2025, 01:24 PMThis mid-season coaches arms race is wild. I do wonder if one of these AD's is gonna take a chance on Gruden.
His schtick got old at Tampa Bay and he ducked in Oakland. He's just another Hootie, and old guy with an ability to get folks to keep talking about him. Has never coached college. I would like Florida to hire him as they'll have another buyout problem in two years.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 19, 2025, 01:30 PMWho's the AD at Tulane? Hired Willie Fritz, then sumrall. For a program like that it's good to be a coach factory for the next level.
Fritz was there for a while before their current AD.
Texas fans hoping one of these schools calls for Sark. I think he's on the Bert drinking man's diet again.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 19, 2025, 01:35 PMHis schtick got old at Tampa Bay and he ducked in Oakland. He's just another Hootie, and old guy with an ability to get folks to keep talking about him. Has never coached college. I would like Florida to hire him as they'll have another buyout problem in two years.
I honestly have no read on it one way or the other. I was pretty sure the Dion experiment wouldn't end too well after the initial hype and his boys graduated. But give Gruden the NiL money and it might work. The guy knows ball and isn't just a hype man, but who knows. Maybe the failed Belichick experiment will give AD's some pause.
I bet Florida wins the Franklin sweepstakes.
Norvell fired. Wow.
Jay Norvell at Colorado State.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 19, 2025, 12:47 PMUnlike Penn State, Florida may actually improve at the HC position.
Napier really did do a terrible job in Gainesville and, like Morris, seemed in way over his head.
Their games were littered with terrible playcalling, stupid penalties, lack of discipline, egregious substitution penalties, delay of game after timeouts, bad clock management, etc.
Just one of those things that might not get you at the G5 level but gets express and amplified in a conference like the SEC.
As an AD I'm not totally sure how you filter that type of stuff with the up-and-coming types unless you just dig deep in the interview process and/or have some of your people grind a bunch of game film.
Florida is about as bad as Arkansas at hiring football coaches. For every Meyer there's 3 or 4 Ron Zooks.
According to this, still the 3rd best job out there.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6662286/2025/10/19/college-football-open-coaching-jobs-rankings/
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Oct 19, 2025, 03:15 PMAccording to this, still the 3rd best job out there.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6662286/2025/10/19/college-football-open-coaching-jobs-rankings/
We're #3! Suck it bitches!
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 19, 2025, 02:03 PMI bet Florida wins the Franklin sweepstakes.
Not unless Kiffin turns them down.
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1979907551480197493
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 19, 2025, 03:26 PMNot unless Kiffin turns them down.
Kiffin is a name I've seen the Auburn boards throwing around as well.
It's gonna be interesting to see if Kiffen moves on from OM. I'm not sold he would.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 19, 2025, 03:54 PMIt's gonna be interesting to see if Kiffen moves on from OM. I'm not sold he would.
Weirdly, he seems to be a cultural fit in Oxford. Not so much in Opelika.
sexton will definitely get him a raise and he has no problem getting talent with the collective behind him. still has a great shot at the playoffs.
Don't see Kiffin leaving for Auburn. It's not 1999 anymore.
Other than Bama/Texas on the high end, and Uk/Vandy/Miss St on the low end, every SEC job feels like a lateral move.
One rumor I heard from The Plains is that the AD is leaning toward giving Freeze another year, saying they're "close." It may be in response of all the openings now. Maybe he doesn't think they're the swinging dick they used to pretend they are.
I wouldn't be surprised if they go the route of forcing him to have a legit OC and playcaller.
But it sounds like it still might change depending what happens next week.
interested in seeing how the buyouts go with this round of hirings.
the fans are constantly told that their school can't fire a shitty coach because of them, but at the end of the day those tens of millions are no problem. seems like a scam.
National media gonna be in shambles if Lane says no to Florida
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 19, 2025, 03:54 PMIt's gonna be interesting to see if Kiffen moves on from OM. I'm not sold he would.
I agree -- I'm not sure he will leave either. But I think he will be Florida's first choice. Maybe Auburn too.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 19, 2025, 06:33 PMI agree -- I'm not sure he will leave either. But I think he will be Florida's first choice. Maybe Auburn too.
Something is off with Florida. I don't think Lane would take that one either. Same with Auburn...they aren't the prize they think they are. Oddly I could see Lane in Baton Rouge if Kelly were to jump to someplace like Penn State. He is never going to get the same caliber of talent consistently at OM that he would at LSU or Alabama. They might be able to buy him a roster one year but they'll have to go into hock to do it, and he will have to pay the piper at that time.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 19, 2025, 06:33 PMI agree -- I'm not sure he will leave either. But I think he will be Florida's first choice. Maybe Auburn too.
Growing up in Eastern Arkansas I have several friends that are Ole Miss fans. They claim that Kiffin has bought into the "culture" there and he's very comfortable with the OM administration and the fan base. They think (and they are probably right) that he is their best shot at the playoffs and a natty and that the boosters feel the same.
I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's learned his lesson after the Tennessee and USC debacles.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 19, 2025, 07:40 PMSomething is off with Florida. I don't think Lane would take that one either. Same with Auburn...they aren't the prize they think they are. Oddly I could see Lane in Baton Rouge if Kelly were to jump to someplace like Penn State. He is never going to get the same caliber of talent consistently at OM that he would at LSU or Alabama. They might be able to buy him a roster one year but they'll have to go into hock to do it, and he will have to pay the piper at that time.
Kiffin can get talent at LSU that he can't get at Ole Miss. His daughter seems to think so as well.
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 19, 2025, 08:15 PMKiffin can get talent at LSU that he can't get at Ole Miss. His daughter seems to think so as well.
:maundoed: :this_is_woopig:
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 19, 2025, 08:15 PMKiffin can get talent at LSU that he can't get at Ole Miss. His daughter seems to think so as well.
She thought so to the extent that Weeks missed their game Saturday.
Quote from: Zoso on Oct 19, 2025, 08:14 PMGrowing up in Eastern Arkansas I have several friends that are Ole Miss fans. They claim that Kiffin has bought into the "culture" there and he's very comfortable with the OM administration and the fan base. They think (and they are probably right) that he is their best shot at the playoffs and a natty and that the boosters feel the same.
I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's learned his lesson after the Tennessee and USC debacles.
He's getting $9/yr and a potential $2.5 for incentives. If he wins 9-10 every year at Ole Miss they'll build him a statue. Miss the playoffs 2 years in a row at Florida/LSU/Auburn, and they're ready to negotiate your buyout.
He'd be crazy to leave. My guess is he stays put, but gets a raise that puts him in the top 10 at least in cfb salaries, because right now he isn't.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 19, 2025, 07:40 PMSomething is off with Florida. I don't think Lane would take that one either. Same with Auburn...they aren't the prize they think they are. Oddly I could see Lane in Baton Rouge if Kelly were to jump to someplace like Penn State. He is never going to get the same caliber of talent consistently at OM that he would at LSU or Alabama. They might be able to buy him a roster one year but they'll have to go into hock to do it, and he will have to pay the piper at that time.
Quote from: Zoso on Oct 19, 2025, 08:14 PMGrowing up in Eastern Arkansas I have several friends that are Ole Miss fans. They claim that Kiffin has bought into the "culture" there and he's very comfortable with the OM administration and the fan base. They think (and they are probably right) that he is their best shot at the playoffs and a natty and that the boosters feel the same.
I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's learned his lesson after the Tennessee and USC debacles.
I could buy in with either of these theories.
Florida offering Lane $13.5 per year
Edit: that's millions dollars
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 23, 2025, 09:05 PMFlorida offering Lane $13.5 per year
Edit: that's millions dollars
Is that official or a rumor?
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 23, 2025, 09:54 PMRumor is it's official.
OG's know it's official until things change
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 23, 2025, 10:08 PMOG's know it's official until things change
Noted. I thought that was only for Gruden.
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 23, 2025, 09:54 PMRumor is it's official.
I heard it was officially a rumor.
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 23, 2025, 10:51 PMNoted. I thought that was only for Gruden.
You live in your little bubble away from hogville. Florida is going to hire Kiffin, top secret insiders say Ole Miss is planning to offer Petrino a huge package since we're busy fucking around trying to hire Lashlee, and then once the fanbase starts to revolt over Petrino leaving for an SEC rival-ish program Hunter is going to open the checkbook and get Gruden to make everyone happy again. The offer has already been presented to his camp just in case but keep this here though, because the agents are still talking.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 24, 2025, 08:56 AMYou live in your little bubble away from hogville. Florida is going to hire Kiffin, top secret insiders say Ole Miss is planning to offer Petrino a huge package since we're busy fucking around trying to hire Lashlee, and then once the fanbase starts to revolt over Petrino leaving for an SEC rival-ish program Hunter is going to open the checkbook and get Gruden to make everyone happy again. The offer has already been presented to his camp just in case but keep this here though, because the agents are still talking.
That's some high tit betting information right there.
Guess I better make a Tinder profile that says "Made a bet on Woopig, need a pic of a lovely pair of tits just in case I'm wrong."
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 24, 2025, 09:03 AMGuess I better make a Tinder profile that says "Made a bet on Woopig, need a pic of a lovely pair of tits just in case I'm wrong."
Just post it on Twitter. I am sure you will get a response and a few followings.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 24, 2025, 09:06 AMJust post it on Twitter. I am sure you will get a response and a few followings.
At the risk of Rick sending a close up of his own... worth it?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 24, 2025, 09:21 AMAt the risk of Rick sending a close up of his own... worth it?
That's the chance we all take when we light the beacons to call for help.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 24, 2025, 10:00 AMThat's the chance we all take when we light the beacons to call for help.
Dark funbags theory
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 23, 2025, 10:08 PMOG's know it's official until things change
Are you saying the situation is fluid?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 23, 2025, 09:05 PMFlorida offering Lane $13.5 per year
Edit: that's millions dollars
I don't think that means much without hearing what the proposed buy-out will be. Ole Miss will get within $2-3 of that salary, but give him way more leash than Florida ever would. And with the extended playoffs, OM is just as likely to make it as Florida.
It's the buyout that Ole Miss can't get close to Florida on. That's multi-generational money that can change minds.
I think FL has a much better NIL setup than Ole Miss. That might end up being the difference maker there
Sark may be looking to the NFL?
getting ahead of the hot seat next year. it would cost $6 million on his end to bail.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 25, 2025, 09:36 AMgetting ahead of the hot seat next year. it would cost $6 million on his end to bail.
Good: The Titans will pay it
Bad: They might also draft Arch and trap Sark in his personal hell
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 25, 2025, 09:17 AMSark may be looking to the NFL?
Too bad none of them are looking at him
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 25, 2025, 12:12 AMI think FL has a much better NIL setup than Ole Miss. That might end up being the difference maker there
Not sure about that, fla has lot of issues behind the scenes. Ole miss, hate them, but they have their act together and united.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 25, 2025, 09:17 AMSark may be looking to the NFL?
Why would he take a pay cut to go pro? Plus if he gets fired it's a $60 mil payday. Don't have that kind of thing in the nfl.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 25, 2025, 11:56 AMWhy would he take a pay cut to go pro? Plus if he gets fired it's a $60 mil payday. Don't have that kind of thing in the nfl.
he's looking according the that nfl chick, texxas isn't looking to fire him. at least this season.
They just put up a statement from all people, Jimmy Sexton, saying Sark isn't interested in the NFL. HA! Of all people making that statement. Must be trying to get Sark a raise.
If an NFL team hires sark, the fans should demand the owner be forced to sell the team.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 25, 2025, 04:04 PMIf an NFL team hires sark, the fans should demand the owner be forced to sell the team.
Please let this be the Dolphins.
Please let this be the Dolphins.
Please let this be the Dolphins.
Our number one problem is the same as the Cowboys.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 25, 2025, 11:22 AMNot sure about that, fla has lot of issues behind the scenes. Ole miss, hate them, but they have their act together and united.
This. Ole Miss doesn't have the billionaires who want to big-dick each other over who gets hired. They have some minor millionaires and a lot of upper-middle class people who really want their team to win.
We have an imbalance and every real coaching search becomes a dick-measuring competition between our billionaire families.
Quote from: wmr on Oct 25, 2025, 04:33 PMThis. Ole Miss doesn't have the billionaires who want to big-dick each other over who gets hired. They have some minor millionaires and a lot of upper-middle class people who really want their team to win.
We have an imbalance and every real coaching search becomes a dick-measuring competition between our billionaire families.
💯 this. Along with a department inept to let the half-wits decide on coaches and spending has been a recipe for disaster.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 25, 2025, 11:22 AMNot sure about that, fla has lot of issues behind the scenes. Ole miss, hate them, but they have their act together and united.
Yep. I'd be surprised if Kiffen took the FL job.
Could it happen tonight?
https://x.com/rabalaisadv/status/1982292414418071665?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 25, 2025, 10:56 PMCould it happen tonight?
https://x.com/rabalaisadv/status/1982292414418071665?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
I've said I dont see Kiffin leaving Ole Miss for Florida, but LSU is different story. The Saban story 2.0, "unfinished business."
Quote from: TC on Oct 25, 2025, 11:03 PMI've said I dont see Kiffin leaving Ole Miss for Florida, but LSU is different story. The Saban story 2.0, "unfinished business."
I thought LSU was broke. Weren't they human trafficking Make-a-Wish kids or converting the University Hospital into a brothel or something a couple years ago to raise money?
lsu would owe kelley $9 million a year thru 2031. he's going to get to throw a coordinator or two under the bus before they can him.
freezus has kentucky and mercer at home. if he gets to a bowl, he's safe another year. auburn fans say their administration loves the guy - fine christian man and all that. the ad and hugh were hugging each other at midfield after the game.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 26, 2025, 09:41 AMlsu would owe kelley $9 million a year thru 2031. he's going to get to throw a coordinator or two under the bus before they can him.
freezus has kentucky and mercer at home. if he gets to a bowl, he's safe another year. auburn fans say their administration loves the guy - fine christian man and all that. the ad and hugh were hugging each other at midfield after the game.
Yes, everything I've heard is that Freeze is sticking around. Maybe a different answer if he lost yesterday and another unexpected one.
He may get the Nutt treatment with a forced OC / playcaller.
looks like they are about to give kelley his $54 million (per ross dellinger). apparently he and the ad met to discuss staff changes and things went sideways.
speaking of his ad, this guy hired jimbo fisher and a&m paid the largest buyout in history. he gets 'stolen' by lsu and now they get to pay kelley all that money. makes yuracheks fuck ups seem bush league.
The most Arkansas thing is about to happen. Bobby is going to go to LSU and win a Natty.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 26, 2025, 07:16 PMlooks like they are about to give kelley his $54 million (per ross dellinger). apparently he and the ad met to discuss staff changes and things went sideways.
speaking of his ad, this guy hired jimbo fisher and a&m paid the largest buyout in history. he gets 'stolen' by lsu and now they get to pay kelley all that money. makes yuracheks fuck ups seem bush league.
I'm getting a vision of that movie Casino with Joe Pesci getting deaded out in a corn field coming to a AD near LSU.
I think there is a realistic shot Kiffen would go to LSU. More so than FL.
Quote from: GeoHogsGeo on Oct 26, 2025, 07:23 PMThe most Arkansas thing is about to happen. Bobby is going to go to LSU and win a Natty.
They've already asked. Here was his reply:
Quote from: animal on Oct 26, 2025, 07:30 PMI'm getting a vision of that movie Casino with Joe Pesci getting deaded out in a corn field coming to a AD near LSU.
Definitely going to end up in a bayou or canal somewhere in South Louisiana.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 26, 2025, 07:33 PMI think there is a realistic shot Kiffen would go to LSU. More so than FL.
He can go see his daughter again
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 26, 2025, 07:35 PMHe can go see his daughter again
He'll have to pull Weeks out of her first.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 26, 2025, 07:36 PMHe'll have to pull Weeks out of her first.
At least then he could bench him and make him run suicides.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 26, 2025, 07:37 PMAt least then he could bench him and make him run suicides.
"Totally worth it." - Weeks, in the near future
From the Rant, "Being reported they negotiated a 40% buyout in a one time lump payment. Who knows if that's actually true though"
Why didn't we ever think of that
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 26, 2025, 07:16 PMlooks like they are about to give kelley his $54 million (per ross dellinger). apparently he and the ad met to discuss staff changes and things went sideways.
speaking of his ad, this guy hired jimbo fisher and a&m paid the largest buyout in history. he gets 'stolen' by lsu and now they get to pay kelley all that money. makes yuracheks fuck ups seem bush league.
This is why I think giving a coach an enormous buyout is BS. What incentive does he have to even win? He is getting paid regardless.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 26, 2025, 07:33 PMI think there is a realistic shot Kiffen would go to LSU. More so than FL.
Quote from: TC on Oct 25, 2025, 11:03 PMI've said I dont see Kiffin leaving Ole Miss for Florida, but LSU is different story. The Saban story 2.0, "unfinished business."
if they actually fired kelley, why in the world would he take a 60% cut in the buyout? i'm calling bullshit on that.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 26, 2025, 07:35 PMHe can go see his daughter again
I know her boyfriend is at LSU, but I thought she was still in school at Ole Miss.
BTW, the pictures I have seen of her confirm the fact she is a hottie.
It makes more sense. LSU > FL
Good thing is it would be a head shot to the OM contingent.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 26, 2025, 07:45 PMif they actually fired kelley, why in the world would he take a 60% cut in the buyout? i'm calling bullshit on that.
No chance that the guy who killed a student on a scissor lift would have skeletons in his closet that an employer could exploit?
This just means who we get will be another notch lower. After the big jobs get filled, we'll get crumbs.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 26, 2025, 07:33 PMI think there is a realistic shot Kiffen would go to LSU. More so than FL.
That would be a nightmare.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 26, 2025, 07:57 PMThat would be a nightmare.
He'd kill it there.
Texas may be looking soon and they want him, too.
Leaving Knoxville for USC was a crushing mistake, have to wonder if he's learned the grass isn't greener.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 26, 2025, 07:57 PMThat would be a nightmare.
any more of a nightmare than what he's doing at ole miss as far as arkansas is concerned?
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 26, 2025, 08:00 PMany more of a nightmare than what he's doing at ole miss as far as arkansas is concerned?
Yeah, I think it's a win for us if he left. LSU will always be tough. OM could take a step back.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 26, 2025, 08:00 PMany more of a nightmare than what he's doing at ole miss as far as arkansas is concerned?
I rarely include Arkansas in any football discussion. :)
A nightmare for everybody. You get a coach that can keep the homegrown talent home and a retard can win a championship(see Orgeron). He won't be having to buy linemen every year at LSU like he will continue to have to do at Mississippi.
https://x.com/NickyPerkss/status/1982565531405480123
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 26, 2025, 07:41 PMThis is why I think giving a coach an enormous buyout is BS. What incentive does he have to even win? He is getting paid regardless.
Kelley came before nil and portal. Still that long contract is stupid. Indiana is gonna regret that 10 year deal with Cignetti.
If you're having trouble keeping up
Arkansas
Florida
LSU
Penn State
Stanford
UCLA
Virginia Tech
We're not done as there are more firings, and coaches will get pulled to fill. Bmfp will get an offer by or two if we don't hire him if the offense produces like it has.
Auburn is on clock. Sark and deboer could leave. I think lanetrain could go to corndog u.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 26, 2025, 07:33 PMI think there is a realistic shot Kiffen would go to LSU. More so than FL.
Absolutely. I think that's where he goes now.
Ok State is lurking out there too...
Yes it's no cinch that Petrino stays at Arkansas even if offered the job. Wouldn't blame him a bit for taking a better situation and at the end of the day he may not want the smoke of being head coach at his age. He can probably make a couple mil doing OC work for an IS'er program.
I think we're going to see a lot of these fired coaches take their money and go to the house as opposed to getting another gig. It's damn hard to build a program in what amounts to a G-league concept scaled up for football. G-league sucks for a reason.
They've got to slow down this portal shit and maybe removing the spring portal will help. Fans are losing interest..even in a season like this in the past you would at least be able to look forward to the future by watching some young guys "grow up" but who the fuck are we even developing?
Quote from: animal on Oct 27, 2025, 06:23 AMOk State is lurking out there too...
Yes it's no cinch that Petrino stays at Arkansas even if offered the job. Wouldn't blame him a bit for taking a better situation and at the end of the day he may not want the smoke of being head coach at his age. He can probably make a couple mil doing OC work for an IS'er program.
I think we're going to see a lot of these fired coaches take their money and go to the house as opposed to getting another gig. It's damn hard to build a program in what amounts to a G-league concept scaled up for football. G-league sucks for a reason.
They've got to slow down this portal shit and maybe removing the spring portal will help. Fans are losing interest..even in a season like this in the past you would at least be able to look forward to the future by watching some young guys "grow up" but who the fuck are we even developing?
There are many negatives for Petrino but I truly believe he desperately wants the job and would give it his all, and that it might work out better here than say, Louisville, because it's ultimately where he wants to retire.
On the flip side the many extra things he did in the pre-NIL era in terms of discipline, etc may not be as effective now, he was harsh and might drive players off in the revolving door era.
The best coaches a decade ago aren't necessarily that great now. One thing that concerns me about Franklin as well. Some just haven't adjusted to the modern era while guys like Kiffen have.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 27, 2025, 06:50 AMThere are many negatives for Petrino but I truly believe he desperately wants the job and would give it his all, and that it might work out better here than say, Louisville, because it's ultimately where he wants to retire.
On the flip side the many extra things he did in the pre-NIL era in terms of discipline, etc may not be as effective now, he was harsh and might drive players off in the revolving door era.
The best coaches a decade ago aren't necessarily that great now. One thing that concerns me about Franklin as well. Some just haven't adjusted to the modern era while guys like Kiffen have.
I see it a little differently with Petrino. Money can buy compliance. I don't believe that this generation of kids needs or wants discipline any less than previous ones. Sure you'll lose a few pussies, but those are the types you likely aren't winning with anyway.
My biggest concerns with Petrino are which coaches would work with/for him, and the fact that he just lost to the second worst team in the SEC at home in a game where he had a nice lead in the second half.
We lost the lead because we had 4 turnovers in the second half. I'm guessing Petrino gets the blame for those? If Nick Saban had coached the second half we still would've had 4 turnovers.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 08:26 AMWe lost the lead because we had 4 turnovers in the second half. I'm guessing Petrino gets the blame for those? If Nick Saban had coached the second half we still would've had 4 turnovers.
It's his handpicked QB so yes he gets a ton of blame.
A few more big jobs open up this cycle (pun intended) and the decision on Petrino will be made for us. He'll be the best option available for Arkansas.
I would hope we get a charitable discount on his contract.
TG is capable of winning games with his legs but he is equally capable of losing them with his arm and (even more so) with his infectious lack of confidence.
Fozzy Bear, or whoever the analyst guy in the booth was, said that TG's teammates all commented on how his demeanor never changes. That's great...if you are a PGA Tour pro but it sucks if you are the guy in the huddle that everyone is looking to for inspiration to go score when it's do or die.
If BP gets word before season's end that he is The Guy, I would imagine we will see a lot more of KJ Jackson.
Quote from: HTL on Oct 27, 2025, 08:29 AMIt's his handpicked QB so yes he gets a ton of blame.
If we're using stupid logic, I guess if you had ponied some of your cash pile we could've had a better QB that didn't turn it over. So maybe you're to blame.
Quote from: FNG on Oct 27, 2025, 08:43 AMIf BP gets word before season's end that he is The Guy, I would imagine we will see a lot more of KJ Jackson.
This right here. I know we lose a lot of the huge runs (KJ isn't a slouch), but man he sees stuff a lot quicker than TG. I'm all for it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 08:54 AMIf we're using stupid logic, I guess if you had ponied some of your cash pile we could've had a better QB that didn't turn it over. So maybe you're to blame.
It's always easy to spend others money. So, coaches are never to blame when players habitually make the same mistakes for multiple years.
These kids are getting paid good money to perform. When they don't, they can accept blame (and should).
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 26, 2025, 08:02 PMYeah, I think it's a win for us if he left. LSU will always be tough. OM could take a step back.
I agree with this.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 08:26 AMWe lost the lead because we had 4 turnovers in the second half. I'm guessing Petrino gets the blame for those? If Nick Saban had coached the second half we still would've had 4 turnovers.
According to the WooPigs, turnovers are a direct reflection of the head coach.
turnovers have off and on plagued this program since about oh...2012.
In more recent times when you are soft fucking team with a head coach that literally used the excuse that we didn't get enough "hot days" during fall camp as to why we lost to a Memphis program that has about 1/8th the budget.
We didn't get enough "good players" to go around he means.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Oct 27, 2025, 10:08 AMAccording to the WooPigs, turnovers are a direct reflection of the head coach.
I'm going to be consistent. I blamed Pittman for the fumbles before (mainly due to the culture and lack of accountability), so Petrino has to at least shoulder some blame.
What could Petrino have done to keep Green from throwing those 3 picks?
If Petrino has any positive characteristics, it's his attention to detail.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 10:40 AMWhat could Petrino have done to keep Green from throwing those 3 picks?
Duh, call the smoke draw, no need to pass.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 10:40 AMWhat could Petrino have done to keep Green from throwing those 3 picks?
If Petrino has any positive characteristics, it's his attention to detail.
I'm gonna guess Green was confused with the coverage because he made the same mistake at least twice. Durkin may have known how to camouflage just right but also undoubtedly knew Petrino loves those deep outcuts and crossing routes.
Green's biggest issue isn't accuracy. It's pocket presence and anticipating quicker where the ball needs to go and or reading the field and understanding situational football. If he hasn't learned it by now he's not going to. There was one particular play I think it was in the first half where we had a crossing route and he eventually threw to Blake and he threw it so late the defense was there but had he hit it sooner that play was going for decent yardage. That's shit he's got to see.
In saying that...we know Green isn't protected like at all on the right side. Harris has went to shit over there. I think he was better last season. And where are the "young OL that's gonna be hard to keep off the field" we kept hearing about in August?
Also repeatedly Green just couldn't understand he was being spied. I think better QBs find ways of taking advantage of that...if there is a spy that means that's one less guy in coverage.
If you can contain Green's legs, he is pretty easy to defend because he will ALMOST never actually pull the trigger on the deep ball. He did the other day, once and it worked great but even the commentators mentioned guys slipping behind defenders and Green taking the short route.
So, Auburn knew they could gamble on the short stuff because Green won't pull the trigger on the deep stuff. Petrino's best offenses go downfield and take the top off. This one doesn't. It's not a complete offense, the plays have been there. If Green makes the pass on 4th down against A&M, and it was there, we score and win. Green is a thinker and not in a good way.
If I'm channeling Nutt, I would say this team is "so close" but, that doesn't count. So here we are.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 10:40 AMWhat could Petrino have done to keep Green from throwing those 3 picks?
Play Jackson.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 27, 2025, 10:40 AMWhat could Petrino have done to keep Green from throwing those 3 picks?
If Petrino has any positive characteristics, it's his attention to detail.
More of a macro level than micro. Maybe bring in a QB with better ability to learn to read defenses?
I'm just trying to be consistent more than anything. I blamed (and still blame) Sam for the team being soft leading to excessive fumbles. Trying to be fair even though I like this coach better.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Oct 27, 2025, 10:08 AMAccording to the WooPigs, turnovers are a direct reflection of the head coach.
"According to Woopigs, The play of the team is the direct reflection of the head coach."
Real galaxy brain stuff here.
Quote from: FNG on Oct 27, 2025, 08:43 AMIf BP gets word before season's end that he is The Guy, I would imagine we will see a lot more of KJ Jackson.
I said this a week or so ago. If Bobby has certainty of being here next season I think he goes ahead and starts getting KJ the reps instead of hoping Taylen Green can scramble his way into a win. Again, inaction or lack of planning by HY is hurting us.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Oct 27, 2025, 08:58 AMThis right here. I know we lose a lot of the huge runs (KJ isn't a slouch), but man he sees stuff a lot quicker than TG. I'm all for it.
I hoped he would make the change as soon as he got the job. KJ is way more likely to find a wide open secondary receiver if the primary is covered, tight end/receiver/back when the pocket breaks down.
Green has decided to run two options before that. He completes a lot of passes to receivers that have to turn and face him or stop their route to wait on the ball. If KJ can properly lead the receivers we've got, we might find out our TEs and WRs are pretty good. We also might be able to keep our defense off the field longer.
There's no reason to keep playing Green now. He's not the reason we're losing, but he's not winning either.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AMI hoped he would make the change as soon as he got the job. KJ is way more likely to find a wide open secondary receiver if the primary is covered, tight end/receiver/back when the pocket breaks down.
Green has decided to run two options before that. He completes a lot of passes to receivers that have to turn and face him or stop their route to wait on the ball. If KJ can properly lead the receivers we've got, we might find out our TEs and WRs are pretty good. We also might be able to keep our defense off the field longer.
There's no reason to keep playing Green now. He's not the reason we're losing, but he's not winning either.
While I disagree that KJ is more likely to check down (simply because we don't know...he might, but we haven't seen it yet), the only thing I'd really add is that Green is also probably still hurt. Notice how little we ran him Saturday? I think his leg is still jacked up from when he had to come out for a play against aTm. If the threat of the run isn't there he becomes pretty much unplayable as a pocket passer.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 27, 2025, 11:46 AMWhile I disagree that KJ is more likely to check down (simply because we don't know...he might, but we haven't seen it yet), the only thing I'd really add is that Green is also probably still hurt. Notice how little we ran him Saturday? I think his leg is still jacked up from when he had to come out for a play against aTm. If the threat of the run isn't there he becomes pretty much unplayable as a pocket passer.
We know Green looks for his primary and then looks to run. That is and has been our offense this year. Try something different.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 27, 2025, 11:17 AMIf you can contain Green's legs, he is pretty easy to defend because he will ALMOST never actually pull the trigger on the deep ball.
Yep.
It's his Achilles heel. He doesn't have the confidence or field vision to throw the deep ball, so he constantly opts for the underneath throws (especially the drag routes) regardless of how well they're covered or down and distance.
The book is out on how to stop Green, and it's why defenses have been so successful adjusting after halftime.
As someone said, you take away his legs and he's a completely neutralized threat as a pocket passer.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 27, 2025, 11:54 AMWe know Green looks for his primary and then looks to run. That is and has been our offense this year. Try something different.
If he had tried to (or been able to) run more and earlier Saturday we might have won.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 27, 2025, 11:59 AMIf he had tried to (or been able to) run more and earlier Saturday we might have won.
If Green is hurt, all the more reason he should have tried Jackson.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 27, 2025, 12:16 PMIf Green is hurt, all the more reason he should have tried Jackson.
Absolutely. Petrino could have moved to kj on the bye. Why not? Season is dead, bench green and figure out if kj is the guy for 26. Bench other seniors or shitbags and put the chips in. He hasn't. Green has no brain for this offense or sec defenses. Bmfp picked his poison and it's going to cost him his shot. The turnovers are mental errors, and we blamed the Sam Pittman not their fault culture, but ball security has been a big issue in most of the losses. No reason to stay loyal to players like green. Move on.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 27, 2025, 12:16 PMIf Green is hurt, all the more reason he should have tried Jackson.
In the post game BP said Green was healthy.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 27, 2025, 03:11 PMIn the post game BP said Green was healthy.
I heard that but I just wrote it off to BP not wanting to announce to the rest of the schedule that his starting QB has a shaky wheel.
Quote from: FNG on Oct 27, 2025, 03:21 PMI heard that but I just wrote it off to BP not wanting to announce to the rest of the schedule that his starting QB has a shaky wheel.
I heard it different. I heard frustration. He all but said green sucked and couldn't make reads and missed receivers and it wasn't because he was injured. I don't think there is anything wrong with greens legs. I think he is tired of greens inconsistency in play.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 27, 2025, 04:17 PMI think he is tired of greens inconsistency in play.
Agree completely but I still don't think Green's leg is 100 percent.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 27, 2025, 04:17 PMI heard it different. I heard frustration. He all but said green sucked and couldn't make reads and missed receivers and it wasn't because he was injured. I don't think there is anything wrong with greens legs. I think he is tired of greens inconsistency in play.
yet, if all that's true, he keeps him starting him. what's your answer to that?
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 27, 2025, 04:31 PMyet, if all that's true, he keeps him starting him. what's your answer to that?
He is still the best we have. That's the answer.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 27, 2025, 04:35 PMHe is still the best we have. That's the answer.
exactly.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 27, 2025, 04:35 PMHe is still the best we have. That's the answer.
Reminds me of one of my favorite coaches stories. Had a basketball coach that said as a young a dumb assistant he told the head coach, "we have to get #14 out of there he is killing us."
Head coach looked at him and said, "ok, find someone better on the bench."
He looked down the bench and said, "nevermind I'll shut up now sir."
There has to be something done about these huge buyouts. Like I said earlier, where is the incentive to win? Napier, Kelly, and Franklin total near 100 million dollars together. Why coach again at all? Ima sure they are heartbroken over being fired....all the way to the bank.
The picture that makes every AD shudder:
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This is Jimmy Sexton talking to Clark Lea. Pulled photo off Facebook.
Wonder why we aren't hearing about schools trying to get Lea?
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 27, 2025, 06:05 PMThe picture that makes every AD shudder:
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This is Jimmy Sexton talking to Clark Lea. Pulled photo off Facebook.
Wonder why we aren't hearing about schools trying to get Lea?
I don't know. I think once Pavia is gone, Vandy will revert back to normal.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 27, 2025, 04:31 PMyet, if all that's true, he keeps him starting him. what's your answer to that?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 27, 2025, 04:35 PMHe is still the best we have. That's the answer.
Yes
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 27, 2025, 06:10 PMI don't know. I think once Pavia is gone, Vandy will revert back to normal.
Agree. QB is still the biggest must have for any program.
I hope someone poaches drinkshits just so I can watch those slapdicks melt down.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 27, 2025, 06:37 PMAgree. QB is still the biggest must have for any program.
followed closely by DL that can scare the living shit out of 325lb grown mens and OL that tell you to better go help that bear.
Quote from: animal on Oct 27, 2025, 06:52 PMfollowed closely by DL that can scare the living shit out of 325lb grown mens and OL that tell you to better go help that bear.
Agree. I almost made this same comment in addition to the QB.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 27, 2025, 04:35 PMHe is still the best we have. That's the answer.
He is going to put a spike in whatever chances he had for getting the job. He needed a win and Green's going to do his best to have Bobby replacing Odom at unlv.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 27, 2025, 08:50 PMHe is going to put a spike in whatever chances he had for getting the job. He needed a win and Green's going to do his best to have Bobby replacing Odom at unlv.
He's been the hnic for 4 weeks! He took over an absolute dog-shit-show made up of very little talent, ZERO depth, and arguably one of the worst defenses we've ever seen. Notre Dame was Chad level quit. Thanks to Sam who got his "big" buyout and house on the lake, then proceeded to phone it in from his golf cart ever since.
And after all of that, Bobby still managed to only-God-knows-how, come within 3 of #12 and #4 in his 2nd and 3rd weeks as the HC.
Pulled off the Facebooks.
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Quote from: animal on Oct 27, 2025, 06:52 PMfollowed closely by DL that can scare the living shit out of 325lb grown mens and OL that tell you to better go help that bear.
This. All day everyday. If you cannot get to the QB it does not matter how good your lbs and dbs are.
lol.
https://x.com/TomMarsLaw/status/1983223748196003996?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1983223748196003996%7Ctwgr%5E824ffbc0deea2b095110c250d3d6b0eb2ad24e3c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secrant.com%2Frant%2Fsec-football%2Fkellys-buyout%2F120954806%2F
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 28, 2025, 03:39 PMlol.
https://x.com/TomMarsLaw/status/1983223748196003996?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1983223748196003996%7Ctwgr%5E824ffbc0deea2b095110c250d3d6b0eb2ad24e3c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secrant.com%2Frant%2Fsec-football%2Fkellys-buyout%2F120954806%2F
That would be the funniest thing if LSU derps themselves into irrelevance because they forget to read their own fine print.
Quote from: razor5396 on Oct 28, 2025, 03:49 PMThat would be the funniest thing if LSU derps themselves into irrelevance because they forget to read their own fine print.
almost as bad as a lawyer copying and pasting language from another contract and forgetting to update it to the proper language for the current contract he's working on.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 28, 2025, 03:53 PMalmost as bad as a lawyer copying and pasting language from another contract and forgetting to update it to the proper language for the current contract he's working on.
I'm glad that would never happen at Arkansas
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 28, 2025, 05:03 PMI'm glad that would never happen at Arkansas
The cocktail napkins aren't big enough.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 28, 2025, 03:53 PMalmost as bad as a lawyer copying and pasting language from another contract and forgetting to update it to the proper language for the current contract he's working on.
If it did, I'm sure the culprit would be dealt with instead of being made head of the very organization his mistake had cost $11 million or so.
Looks like Tom Mars is a junkyard dog. I respect that.
Quote from: PorkyPig on Oct 28, 2025, 08:09 PMLooks like Tom Mars is a junkyard dog. I respect that.
I don't know Mars, but he is obviously very smart. I sure don't blame coaches and players for hiring him. At least on paper or through the net, he does seem a little arrogant though. Would like to meet him, though.
isn't he the one that represented bert?
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 28, 2025, 08:40 PMisn't he the one that represented bert?
He represented Scrote.
Lol Gov. Landry just ruined LSU's search
https://x.com/TreyWallace_/status/1983626737604076028
and went after agents, sexton by name. that's going to get kiffin to lsu.
The price for a new coach that Sexton makes LSU pay just went way way up.
Good. Maybe it will get Jabba pissed off at someone other than us.
also said the taxpayers are footing the buyout? and there was no reduction in the amount of money kelley gets. $53 million, that's $800k a month.
Louisiana is a very dumb and broke state.
I hope they get stuck with a Dinardo 2.0.
The LSU search is going to be glorious
https://x.com/wbrz/status/1983670257563676758?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Looks like a LSU booster said that they will fund the buyout if you fire Kelly.
Only Coach O would go back to this crooked mess.
The governor has created a mess.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 29, 2025, 09:23 PMThe LSU search is going to be glorious
You know that guy went and called the rest of the board like, "Y'all know WE'RE supposed to hire the next coach!?"
Nick Saban:
"Lane is the first name up for Florida and the first name up for LSU, but I think you can have a long debate on whether either one of those jobs is actually better than the job he has now because he has some guys over there at Ole Miss that give him pretty much whatever he wants from a roster standpoint." (continues talking about LSU and Florida): "Yeah, maybe you've got facilities. Maybe you've got money. Maybe you've got alumni who are passionate about football, but are they willing to invest what you have to invest now to win? Because a lot of people don't believe in this (stuff)."
I assume he said "shit" instead of stuff. Either way, what is "this stuff"? Paying players? Buying rosters? Yeah, people like Dabo Swinney and Hunter Yurachek. I don't believe in it either. But the ship has sailed out of the open barn door.
Show-Me's own dark horse nomination for LSU: Urban Meyer. For obvious reasons, he won't be going to Florida.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 30, 2025, 03:21 PMNick Saban:
"Lane is the first name up for Florida and the first name up for LSU, but I think you can have a long debate on whether either one of those jobs is actually better than the job he has now because he has some guys over there at Ole Miss that give him pretty much whatever he wants from a roster standpoint." (continues talking about LSU and Florida): "Yeah, maybe you've got facilities. Maybe you've got money. Maybe you've got alumni who are passionate about football, but are they willing to invest what you have to invest now to win? Because a lot of people don't believe in this (stuff)."
I assume he said "shit" instead of stuff. Either way, what is "this stuff"? Paying players? Buying rosters? Yeah, people like Dabo Swinney and Hunter Yurachek. I don't believe in it either. But the ship has sailed out of the open barn door.
Show-Me's own dark horse nomination for LSU: Urban Meyer. For obvious reasons, he won't be going to Florida.
Sumrall is the betting favorite but would they really stoop to hiring the Tulane coach? Not to mention there will be competition for him. If they pass on him and UK doesn't pony up to fire Stoops, I wonder if the Hogs could get him. I'm beginning to think Drinkwitz ends up at FL and Lane probably stays put with a massive raise.
Watch them still hire the next coach before we do.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 30, 2025, 03:21 PMNick Saban:
"Lane is the first name up for Florida and the first name up for LSU, but I think you can have a long debate on whether either one of those jobs is actually better than the job he has now because he has some guys over there at Ole Miss that give him pretty much whatever he wants from a roster standpoint." (continues talking about LSU and Florida): "Yeah, maybe you've got facilities. Maybe you've got money. Maybe you've got alumni who are passionate about football, but are they willing to invest what you have to invest now to win? Because a lot of people don't believe in this (stuff)."
I assume he said "shit" instead of stuff. Either way, what is "this stuff"? Paying players? Buying rosters? Yeah, people like Dabo Swinney and Hunter Yurachek. I don't believe in it either. But the ship has sailed out of the open barn door.
Show-Me's own dark horse nomination for LSU: Urban Meyer. For obvious reasons, he won't be going to Florida.
I wouldn't be shocked if Urban does end up back at Florida.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 30, 2025, 03:41 PMWatch them still hire the next coach before we do.
It's like you don't even believe in the pecking order.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 30, 2025, 03:55 PMIt's like you don't even believe in the pecking order.
I'm just perpetually optimistic. Like an Arkansas fan saying "next year is our year to get back to the
Cotton Liberty Bowl!" Or an Arkansas fan saying "next year is the year we get back to the Final Four!" Or an Arkansas fan saying "next year is the year we win the CWS!"
Maybe this year is the year we hire a coach before we're relegated to the rest of the conference's leftovers, especially since we got a head start.
the guvnor fires woodward. they don't have a coach, an ad, or a school president. just let him coach the corndogs.
woodward is owed $6.8 million.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 30, 2025, 07:52 PMthe guvnor fires woodward. they don't have a coach, an ad, or a school president. just let him coach the corndogs.
woodward is owed $6.8 million.
6.8 after the Jimbo deal is just laughable. But it couldn't happen to a better fan base
Sumrall getting stinkholed by Traylor
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 30, 2025, 08:01 PMSumrall getting stinkholed by Traylor
Great. Get ready to welcome Coach Sumrall to the Hill.
Sports world gonna be shocked at our $13 million/year offer.
We may end up just drawing a name out of a hat.
I'm hoping none of these coaches let their schools off easy from their buyouts. I'm sure the agents won't have it though because they are probably double dipping into the buyout and new contract somehow.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 30, 2025, 09:27 PMSports world gonna be shocked at our $13 million/year offer.
And who are we offering that to?
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 30, 2025, 07:52 PMthe guvnor fires woodward. they don't have a coach, an ad, or a school president. just let him coach the corndogs.
woodward is owed $6.8 million.
And yet they will still hire a better coach most likely
Quote from: BASS on Oct 30, 2025, 10:38 PMAnd who are we offering that to?
whoever it is...we won't be competing with anyone else for him. You can bet on that.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 30, 2025, 10:38 PMAnd who are we offering that to?
McDaniel after the Dolphins fire him.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 30, 2025, 09:49 PMWe may end up just drawing a name out of a hat.
And draw 6 & 7/8s. Our luck.
Now, hear me out fellas; this is out-of-the-box thinking. What if, I say what if, we had the right pieces to the puzzle all along but...they were in the wrong place!?!
We bring Sam back and place him at DC where he's a natural. We'll have to throw tons of cash at him but we need to bring John L Smith back as OC at any cost. There can be no other ST coordinator than Chad. The cherry on the top is the HC we've always known we needed...the incomparable Danny Nutt!
As the pièce de résistance, we can HY and bring back the One, the Only, Houston Dale Nutt. We'll be bringing home natty within two years!
Am I right or am I right? You. Are. Welcome.
Quote from: FNG on Oct 31, 2025, 10:24 AMNow, hear me out fellas; this is out-of-the-box thinking. What if, I say what if, we had the right pieces to the puzzle all along but...they were in the wrong place!?!
We bring Sam back and place him at DC where he's a natural. We'll have to throw tons of cash at him but we need to bring John L Smith back as OC at any cost. There can be no other ST coordinator than Chad. The cherry on the top is the HC we've always known we needed...the incomparable Danny Nutt!
As the pièce de résistance, we can HY and bring back the One, the Only, Houston Dale Nutt. We'll be bringing home natty within two years!
Am I right or am I right? You. Are. Welcome.
Put the crack pipe down and step away.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 31, 2025, 10:48 AMPut the crack pipe down and step away.
Coleridge had his opium, Poe his absinthe; every poet needs his muse. ;D
Quote from: FNG on Oct 31, 2025, 11:04 AMColeridge had his opium, Poe his absinthe; every poet needs his muse. ;D
:maundoed:
So the LSU Interim AD has authority to hire the next coach once the selection committee finds him.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46792198/lsu-interim-ad-verge-ausberry-hire-next-football-coach (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46792198/lsu-interim-ad-verge-ausberry-hire-next-football-coach)
hold this pen until we tell you sign. some authority.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 31, 2025, 08:04 PMhold this pen until we tell you sign. some authority.
What could go wrong? >:D
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 31, 2025, 08:04 PMhold this pen until we tell you sign. some authority.
Chad Morris come on down (there)
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 31, 2025, 08:48 PMChad Morris come on down (there)
Won't happen. God wouldn't give me the pleasure of watching Chad burn down LSU football.
This LSU mess is beautiful because this time it isn't us...
They are in a real pickle between not having the funds in place and having Landry interfering
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 01, 2025, 10:33 AMThis LSU mess is beautiful because this time it isn't us...
They are in a real pickle between not having the funds in place and having Landry interfering
Don't knock schadenfreude. It has gotten me through a lot.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 01, 2025, 10:33 AMThis LSU mess is beautiful because this time it isn't us...
They are in a real pickle between not having the funds in place and having Landry interfering
It's a pretty fucked up state politically. They'll pass a law that diverts taxpayer dollars to bail out the LSU athletic program if they have to.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 01, 2025, 11:46 AMIt's pretty fucked up state politically. They'll pass a law that diverts taxpayer dollars to bail out the LSU athletic program if they have to.
And the people will be for it.
Louisiana has the kind of obsessive, insane, united support for LSU (despite plenty of other college programs in the state) that Arkansas likes to pretend to have.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 01, 2025, 12:06 PMAnd the people will be for it.
Louisiana has the kind of obsessive, insane, united support for LSU (despite plenty of other college programs in the state) that Arkansas likes to pretend to have.
Can confirm.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 01, 2025, 12:06 PMAnd the people will be for it.
Louisiana has the kind of obsessive, insane, united support for LSU (despite plenty of other college programs in the state) that Arkansas likes to pretend to have.
💯
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 01, 2025, 10:33 AMThis LSU mess is beautiful because this time it isn't us...
They may have a beautiful mess but ours is beyond a mess.
Quote from: RPL on Nov 01, 2025, 08:53 PMThey may have a beautiful mess but ours is beyond a mess.
We're so bad people forgot we're looking for a coach.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 31, 2025, 08:28 AMAnd draw 6 & 7/8s. Our luck.
Maybe we need to find a redhead.
And recite the anti-hex chant.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 02, 2025, 08:52 AMMaybe we need to find a redhead.
And recite the anti-hex chant.
We could also try a rider wearing all black riding a white horse going east to west...
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 02, 2025, 09:29 AMWe could also try a rider wearing all black riding a white horse going east to west...
Andy should have boned Charlene.
Quote from: PorkyPig on Nov 02, 2025, 10:51 AMAndy should have boned Charlene.
True. Brisco wasn't going to let him hit it and quit it though.
It's going to be coming out soon.
Auburn is about to be unfrozen.
Durkin to interim HC.
Freeze out.
Wonder if there is any chance Durkin gets the job. His defense has been as good as anyone's.
Our luck he gets hired and brings in Petrino as OC. Very well could happen.
At least we aren't the only moronic fan base.
https://x.com/RGW_News/status/1985038732706173076?t=CUgQLzCM28BDb0p51L4fdA&s=19 (https://x.com/RGW_News/status/1985038732706173076?t=CUgQLzCM28BDb0p51L4fdA&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 02, 2025, 12:43 PMWonder if there is any chance Durkin gets the job. His defense has been as good as anyone's.
Our luck he gets hired and brings in Petrino as OC. Very well could happen.
I was hoping BP would get out job and he'd hire DJ as our DC. What an idiot I am!
I'm definitely not opposed to that. You'd have two of the best coordinators in the country teaching the game. Both are detail oriented.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 02, 2025, 12:43 PMWonder if there is any chance Durkin gets the job. His defense has been as good as anyone's.
Our luck he gets hired and brings in Petrino as OC. Very well could happen.
I don't think so. The talk is that he doesn't want a HC job.
There is no way Tenn fires Heupel and if they did I'd hire him in a heartbeat.
I'm kind of surprised Freeze didn't work out. He was always successful as a coach before this, it was always his moral compass that was in question.
That era of HUNH coaching "geniuses" seems to have largely ended with a whimper, Gus included.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 02, 2025, 01:09 PMThere is no way Tenn fires Heupel and if they did I'd hire him in a heartbeat.
I'm kind of surprised Freeze didn't work out. He was always successful as a coach before this, it was always his moral compass that was in question.
That era of HUNH coaching "geniuses" seems to have largely ended with a whimper, Gus included.
Exactly. There is zero innovation and almost no hurry up that he runs.
It's so predictable, run, run, pass, punt. They don't even mix in much third down smoke draw.
Their coaches didn't even come to the team building after the game last night. They knew. He had a tee time booked for this afternoon.
That tweet was rage bait, nothing more.
I could see Auburn as a landing spot for James Franklin.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 02, 2025, 01:02 PMAt least we aren't the only moronic fan base.
https://x.com/RGW_News/status/1985038732706173076?t=CUgQLzCM28BDb0p51L4fdA&s=19 (https://x.com/RGW_News/status/1985038732706173076?t=CUgQLzCM28BDb0p51L4fdA&s=19)
That's a parody/troll account.
Auburn rumor mill doesn't waste time
https://x.com/AAC_FB/status/1985063307699478827
Arkansas runs on integrity. HY does the right thing and waits for the season to end before approaching coaches. You need to remember there are kids involved.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 02, 2025, 07:22 PMArkansas runs on integrity. HY does the right thing and waits for the season to end before approaching coaches. You need to remember there are kids involved.
"We had a handshake agreement, dammit!"
- Yurachek, probably
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2025, 07:24 PM"We had a handshake agreement, dammit!"
- Yurachek, probably
100% that this happens with at least one coach we don't get.
Kiffin or Dillingham at LSU? Lol I am cheering for this particular search to go terribly wrong.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1985353803101859918
it's impressive how those guys find these kinds of posts on so many message boards. and the fact that so many respond to an obvious troll job is hilarious.
sources close to the situation = a post on the rant.
Now James Carville might sue the governor for libel against the AD. LSU is definitely the MVP of this years carousel.
LSU is such a dumpster fire, but they'll no doubt dick around and luck into a good hire because of the innate advantages of that program.
They royally screwed up the carousel after they fired Miles, had to settle for Orgeron, and won a natty anyway.
The epitome of falling into a sewer and coming up with a gold watch.
we'll see. the governor in louisiana has much more control over the athletics program than anywhere else.
if he gets out of the way, yeah, they should be ok but he's stepped into it big time and said some things that's going to give some of those coaches pause.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 03, 2025, 03:26 PMNow James Carville might sue the governor for libel against the AD. LSU is definitely the MVP of this years carousel.
Carville is going to sue a governor for what he said about somebody else?
Perhaps James should up "standing."
Quote from: Feral on Nov 03, 2025, 03:32 PMLSU is such a dumpster fire, but they'll no doubt dick around and luck into a good hire because of the innate advantages of that program.
They royally screwed up the carousel after they fired Miles, had to settle for Orgeron, and won a natty anyway.
The epitome of falling into a sewer and coming up with a gold watch.
Supposedly they are broke, don't have the money for the buyout and that's hindering the coaching search.
The hope getting ripped away from them will be magnificent
https://x.com/boardgeniuses/status/1985876168969470328?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
MBG has to be making up some of this stuff. It's over the top.
Announce it on GameDay!!
Lol, that's some cringy Hogville-level shit right there.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 05, 2025, 05:03 PMMBG has to be making up some of this stuff. It's over the top.
What's the old saying about something sounding too good?
I thought that board was basically posting bullshit from other boards and then laughing at it hysterically kinda like we would
Quote from: animal on Nov 05, 2025, 06:10 PMI thought that board was basically posting bullshit from other boards and then laughing at it hysterically kinda like we would
that's exactly what it is. the only thing they write is the 'headline'.
the post is from the rant. they've had a few from nobville also.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 05, 2025, 06:24 PMthat's exactly what it is. the only thing they write is the 'headline'.
the post is from the rant. they've had a few from nobville also.
And my point was that one seems like they wrote more than the headline.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 05, 2025, 05:03 PMMBG has to be making up some of this stuff. It's over the top.
No, I don't think so. There are plenty of crazies out there to provide them material. Some people actually believe that shit.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46868954/pat-fitzgerald-vindicated-settlement-seeking-next-job
Looks like Northwestern jumped the gun in firing him. We could do a lot worse.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-fitzgerald-return-college-football-coaching-carousel-penn-state-arkansas-stanford-ucla/
We could do a lot worse than Pat Fitzgerald?
He is a perenial seven win coach. That isn't an exaggeration.
His last season they went 1-11. He went 3-9 in two of the three previous years.
In 17 years he has won 10 games three times and 9 games twice. He has never won more than 10 in a season.
Just hire Bobby and be done.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Nov 06, 2025, 09:27 AMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46868954/pat-fitzgerald-vindicated-settlement-seeking-next-job
Looks like Northwestern jumped the gun in firing him. We could do a lot worse.
I thought of him the other day and wondered if he's ever doing a redemption tour
Quote from: TC on Nov 05, 2025, 05:07 PMAnnounce it on GameDay!!
Lol, that's some cringy Hogville-level shit right there.
Do it like he school kids with a bunch of hats.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 06, 2025, 01:38 PMWe could do a lot worse than Pat Fitzgerald?
He is a perenial seven win coach. That isn't an exaggeration.
His last season they went 1-11. He went 3-9 in two of the three previous years.
In 17 years he has won 10 games three times and 9 games twice. He has never won more than 10 in a season.
Just hire Bobby and be done.
I don't want him BUT...
That's +5-6 wins a year from where they were before him, they haven't been relevant in my lifetime let alone competing for Rose Bowls, playoffs, etc.
That doesn't mean he would be a good fit here
Why are we giving Bobby a pass on his last 2 head coaching jobs?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 06, 2025, 07:23 PMI don't want him BUT...
That's +5-6 wins a year from where they were before him, they haven't been relevant in my lifetime let alone competing for Rose Bowls, playoffs, etc.
That doesn't mean he would be a good fit here
Why are we giving Bobby a pass on his last 2 head coaching jobs?
Using that narrative, Bobby is the only coach with a winning record at Missouri state in the last 30 years.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 06, 2025, 07:36 PMUsing that narrative, Bobby is the only coach with a winning record at Missouri state in the last 30 years.
Current guy's doing just as well
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 06, 2025, 07:40 PMCurrent guy's doing just as well
Yeah, one couch argue Bobby kinda laid that foundation as well and that could drop below winning level by seasons end.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 06, 2025, 07:45 PMYeah, one couch argue Bobby kinda laid that foundation as well and that could drop below winning level by seasons end.
Just like Johnelle
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 06, 2025, 07:48 PMJust like Johnelle
He left some living DNA up there. The DNA he left here expired and that was the result.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 06, 2025, 01:38 PMWe could do a lot worse than Pat Fitzgerald?
He is a perenial seven win coach. That isn't an exaggeration.
His last season they went 1-11. He went 3-9 in two of the three previous years.
In 17 years he has won 10 games three times and 9 games twice. He has never won more than 10 in a season.
Just hire Bobby and be done.
Winning at Northwestern is like winning at Vandy. That said, he wouldn't be high on my list.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 06, 2025, 01:38 PMIn 17 years he has won 10 games three times and 9 games twice. He has never won more than 10 in a season.
So outside of 1 year better than us in the last 17 years?
Of course, it is easier to do with one coach for the entire time rather than the 5 or so we have had.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 06, 2025, 07:23 PMI don't want him BUT...
That's +5-6 wins a year from where they were before him, they haven't been relevant in my lifetime let alone competing for Rose Bowls, playoffs, etc.
That doesn't mean he would be a good fit here
Why are we giving Bobby a pass on his last 2 head coaching jobs?
My point was if Pat Fitzgerald is on the list then just give it to Bobby. BP is just as good if Pat is anywhere on your list of acceptable hires.
Fitzgerald is only 50, though.
He was hired at Northwestern as a head coach at... 31.
Crazy
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 06, 2025, 09:25 PMMy point was if Pat Fitzgerald is on the list then just give it to Bobby. BP is just as good if Pat is anywhere on your list of acceptable hires.
This right here. If it isn't a Cignetti type, I say give it to Bobby, give him the incentives and NIL money and see what he can do for maybe 3 years. Pull us out of the ditch, if he wins, great. If he loses, it ends the whole 2011 hangover we've had, and maybe there are some better candidates we can get.
I see no reason to gamble on the coaches I've seen listed, and against the current competition, which results in worse options or contracts for us. The risk pool is pretty damned high right now. Unless there are some serious money backers putting up the cash for a coach and NIL, in which case we have to go with that.
Biddy says they are going to make Franklin say no.
I hope he does.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 07, 2025, 09:03 AMBiddy says they are going to make Franklin say no.
I hope he does.
Me too. He does not excite at all.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 07, 2025, 09:03 AMBiddy says they are going to make Franklin say no.
I hope he does.
He sounds like the kind of candidate they hope to be a Cal 2.0.
Except Cal was a proven national championship winner and regular contender. On the other hand, I don't think there's a single person with any power or sway on the hill that is looking to win a national title in football (like they think we can in basketball and baseball). I think they just want us competitive and not embarrassing. As long as we're good enough to sell season tickets that's all anyone cares about.
The only way Biddy knows anything at all is if Hunter isn't running the search.
I don't see how hiring Franklin could be anything other than the best we can do. He's a very good football coach. Will he win a natty here? Prob not. But no one will.
Having said all that, I think it's highly improbable that we pull that off
Quote from: bogeyfree on Nov 07, 2025, 10:15 AMI don't see how hiring Franklin could be anything other than the best we can do. He's a very good football coach. Will he win a natty here? Prob not. But no one will.
Having said all that, I think it's highly improbable that we pull that off
The On3 board (formerly Rivals) has basically the same intel...Franklin or bust with a big salary and NIL war chest. I'll believe it when I see it.
Franklin is a damned good coach. Normally I'm quick to rule out anyone who got fired from another job, but Penn State's trigger was awfully quick for a guy who had won eleven or more games in over half his seasons there, including thirteen and a semifinal appearance last season.
He's a good recruiter, familiar with the SEC from his time at Vanderbilt, and could likely bring some dudes from Penn State via the portal. His floor is probably similar to Bobby's with a higher ceiling. But the biggest asset would be the message hiring JF would send to the sport...that we're not going to settle for being subordinate to schools like Ole Miss and Missouri which have always been beneath us until the last few years. We can spend as much as anyone (more than those two) if we choose to do so and a couple of billionaires are motivated, which Franklin's hire would indicate to be the case.
We all know appearances can be deceiving (particularly in a midseason coaching search), but it would appear that the $MONEY$ is pushing in all its chips on Franklin. He's a good-but not elite-coach, he has the name and pedigree, he has a history of bringing some respect to a perennial bottom-dwelling SEC program in the past and he's black, which doesn't hurt.
Is it realistic to think Franklin will come to Arkansas? Not likely; he has too many more attractive options. But, if he does, he's probably the best name in the hat for the Hogs.
Having said that, I agree with Passed and others that if (and it's a big if) the $MONEY$ will get behind BP, we would be foolish to gamble at this point on another potential "up and comer".
I have it on good authority that Troy Aikman will be in town next week. Someone go tell tardville and see what they do with it.
We're going to try to spend Ryan Day-level money on Franklin, and it's going to bite us in the ass if he says yes.
Still... massive improvement of the literally massive disappointment that Sam was.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 07, 2025, 11:37 AMWe're going to try to spend Ryan Day-level money on Franklin, and it's going to bite us in the ass if he says yes.
Still... massive improvement of the literally massive disappointment that Sam was.
I am so ready for us to announce a 5 year 55 million dollar contract with a ludicrous buyout attached to it.
Only for us to go 6-6 in year one,
then 9-3 in year two (at which point he gets a three year extension, a 3 million/year raise, and an even MORE ludicrous buyout),
then 6-6 in year three,
and 5-7 in year four, etc.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 07, 2025, 10:59 AMThe On3 board (formerly Rivals) has basically the same intel...Franklin or bust with a big salary and NIL war chest. I'll believe it when I see it.
Franklin is a damned good coach. Normally I'm quick to rule out anyone who got fired from another job, but Penn State's trigger was awfully quick for a guy who had won eleven or more games in over half his seasons there, including thirteen and a semifinal appearance last season.
He's a good recruiter, familiar with the SEC from his time at Vanderbilt, and could likely bring some dudes from Penn State via the portal. His floor is probably similar to Bobby's with a higher ceiling. But the biggest asset would be the message hiring JF would send to the sport...that we're not going to settle for being subordinate to schools like Ole Miss and Missouri which have always been beneath us until the last few years. We can spend as much as anyone (more than those two) if we choose to do so and a couple of billionaires are motivated, which Franklin's hire would indicate to be the case.
he was 3 points away from the championship game last year.
the nil and portal have changed a fundamental part of sports - chemistry. i think its possible for a good coach and a good staff to get good players that just don't play well together.
muss has that problem every year, so it can certainly be a feature and not just a bug. maybe franklin just got snake bit. maybe he created it...he doesn't have a great record in big games.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 07, 2025, 09:43 AMThe only way Biddy knows anything at all is if Hunter isn't running the search.
If we can't trust the AD to make the Head Coaching hire, why is he the AD? That's the most important job he should have. If he can't hire him, can he fire him?
Quote from: BASS on Nov 07, 2025, 12:01 PMhe was 3 points away from the championship game last year.
the nil and portal have changed a fundamental part of sports - chemistry. i think its possible for a good coach and a good staff to get good players that just don't play well together.
muss has that problem every year, so it can certainly be a feature and not just a bug. maybe franklin just got snake bit. maybe he created it...he doesn't have a great record in big games.
I seem to remember him having a poor record against ranked opponents. Well, here that's all he's going to be playing except a couple of games a year.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 07, 2025, 11:44 AMI am so ready for us to announce a 5 year 55 million dollar contract with a ludicrous buyout attached to it.
Only for us to go 6-6 in year one,
then 9-3 in year two (at which point he gets a three year extension, a 3 million/year raise, and an even MORE ludicrous buyout),
then 6-6 in year three,
and 5-7 in year four, etc.
This is what we'll do. Thus my thinking Bobby is the best bet for now. Unless there's big NIL money behind some other coach.
Can we merge the two threads?
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 07, 2025, 12:06 PMIf we can't trust the AD to make the Head Coaching hire, why is he the AD? That's the most important job he should have. If he can't hire him, can he fire him?
1) do you trust him to make this hire given the football program's record over his tenure?
2) he is also a member of the CFP committee which is going to have an increased workload over the next 4-5 weeks - is that good or bad?
3) what is the plan to improve the program? if it's the rumored $40 million over 4 years which would include salary, does $10 million a year really move the needle if $5m or so is going to coaching salaries for a program that is dead last in the $EC?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 07, 2025, 01:08 PMCan we merge the two threads?
It's inevitable that some Arkansas coach talk will end up here, but the point of this thread is to talk about all the other jobs that are open and, hopefully, laugh at the other fanbases as they search for a new coach.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 07, 2025, 10:59 AMThe On3 board (formerly Rivals) has basically the same intel...Franklin or bust with a big salary and NIL war chest. I'll believe it when I see it.
Franklin is a damned good coach. Normally I'm quick to rule out anyone who got fired from another job, but Penn State's trigger was awfully quick for a guy who had won eleven or more games in over half his seasons there, including thirteen and a semifinal appearance last season.
He's a good recruiter, familiar with the SEC from his time at Vanderbilt, and could likely bring some dudes from Penn State via the portal. His floor is probably similar to Bobby's with a higher ceiling. But the biggest asset would be the message hiring JF would send to the sport...that we're not going to settle for being subordinate to schools like Ole Miss and Missouri which have always been beneath us until the last few years. We can spend as much as anyone (more than those two) if we choose to do so and a couple of billionaires are motivated, which Franklin's hire would indicate to be the case.
Completely agree. It sends a message that we're not fucking around. I want change what we're doing and try something different.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 07, 2025, 01:39 PM1) do you trust him to make this hire given the football program's record over his tenure?
2) he is also a member of the CFP committee which is going to have an increased workload over the next 4-5 weeks - is that good or bad?
3) what is the plan to improve the program? if it's the rumored $40 million over 4 years which would include salary, does $10 million a year really move the needle if $5m or so is going to coaching salaries for a program that is dead last in the $EC?
If the answer to #1 is no, then he shouldn't be the AD. On #2 if the program isn't doing well, him accepting that role only elevates him, so he's only looking out for himself, so fuck him. On #3, there should be a plan and mission statement on the Athletic Department's website. If there isn't, then he should go.
Jedd Fisch wants out of Washington
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 07, 2025, 05:15 PMJedd Fisch wants out of Washington
That's your next Florida coach.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 07, 2025, 05:31 PMThat's your next Florida coach.
That is about as far out of Washington as he could get, except for maybe Hawaii.
Quote from: passed on Nov 07, 2025, 12:46 PMI seem to remember him having a poor record against ranked opponents. Well, here that's all he's going to be playing except a couple of games a year.
I don't remember the quote exactly, but it was something along the lines of the UCLA interim coach tying him in top 10 wins when UCLA beat them.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 07, 2025, 05:51 PMThat is about as far out of Washington as he could get, except for maybe Hawaii.
He is a Florida alum. I imagine that's his end goal.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 07, 2025, 10:59 AMThe On3 board (formerly Rivals) has basically the same intel...Franklin or bust with a big salary and NIL war chest. I'll believe it when I see it.
Franklin is a damned good coach. Normally I'm quick to rule out anyone who got fired from another job, but Penn State's trigger was awfully quick for a guy who had won eleven or more games in over half his seasons there, including thirteen and a semifinal appearance last season.
He's a good recruiter, familiar with the SEC from his time at Vanderbilt, and could likely bring some dudes from Penn State via the portal. His floor is probably similar to Bobby's with a higher ceiling. But the biggest asset would be the message hiring JF would send to the sport...that we're not going to settle for being subordinate to schools like Ole Miss and Missouri which have always been beneath us until the last few years. We can spend as much as anyone (more than those two) if we choose to do so and a couple of billionaires are motivated, which Franklin's hire would indicate to be the case.
Agree.
Also hope Penn State gets the USC-style reality check.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 07, 2025, 05:54 PMI don't remember the quote exactly, but it was something along the lines of the UCLA interim coach tying him in top 10 wins when UCLA beat them.
This is from an ESPN article a few weeks ago:
The Nittany Lions fell at home in double overtime to Oregon, dropping Franklin to 4-21 at Penn State against AP top-10 opponents, including 1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams in conference games. Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research. Penn State has not defeated a Big Ten top 10 opponent since knocking off Ohio State in 2016.
Quote from: arreferee on Nov 10, 2025, 10:05 AMThis is from an ESPN article a few weeks ago:
The Nittany Lions fell at home in double overtime to Oregon, dropping Franklin to 4-21 at Penn State against AP top-10 opponents, including 1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams in conference games. Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research. Penn State has not defeated a Big Ten top 10 opponent since knocking off Ohio State in 2016.
To be fair it's not like Penn State had a whole lot of top ten opponents prior to joining the Big Ten. Many of the ones they did face were either in bowls or likely other similarly overrated opponents from their region.
Franklin's record was significantly better than Joe Pedo's was after joining the B1G.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 10, 2025, 10:24 AMTo be fair it's not like Penn State had a whole lot of top ten opponents prior to joining the Big Ten. Many of the ones they did face were either in bowls or likely other similarly overrated opponents from their region.
Franklin's record was significantly better than Joe Pedo's was after joining the B1G.
Are you trying to say his record isn't as bad as it looks? The article wasn't comparing him to other PSU coaches, it was comparing him to other NCAA coaches.
"Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research. Penn State has not defeated a Big Ten top 10 opponent since knocking off Ohio State in 2016."
Quote from: arreferee on Nov 10, 2025, 10:59 AMAre you trying to say his record isn't as bad as it looks? The article wasn't comparing him to other PSU coaches, it was comparing him to other NCAA coaches.
"Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research. Penn State has not defeated a Big Ten top 10 opponent since knocking off Ohio State in 2016."
Not really, although I tend to give more weight to his overall record than his percentage against top ten teams. The teams he's faced are almost exclusively Ohio State during one of their most successful periods in history and Michigan who has a title and another playoff spot while he's been there. The only reason we're talking about Franklin as a fired coach is that Penn State's admin panicked. They let the old pedo enabler survive through multiple losing seasons, yet fired Franklin after one slow start a year removed from 13 wins and the national semis, which happened a year after 10-3 and a NY6 bowl and two years after 11-2 and a Rose Bowl.
I don't really mind if he loses most of the time when we play Alabama and Georgia. We need to get back to where we can beat Ole Miss (I know they're top ten now, but they won't be forever), Miss State, and the like regularly first. If we're sitting here in five years with multiple ten win years and bitching about how he can't beat Alabama or Texas, I can live with that.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 10, 2025, 11:18 AMNot really, although I tend to give more weight to his overall record than his percentage against top ten teams. The teams he's faced are almost exclusively Ohio State during one of their most successful periods in history and Michigan who has a title and another playoff spot while he's been there. The only reason we're talking about Franklin as a fired coach is that Penn State's admin panicked. They let the old pedo enabler survive through multiple losing seasons, yet fired Franklin after one slow start a year removed from 13 wins and the national semis, which happened a year after 10-3 and a NY6 bowl and two years after 11-2 and a Rose Bowl.
I don't really mind if he loses most of the time when we play Alabama and Georgia. We need to get back to where we can beat Ole Miss (I know they're top ten now, but they won't be forever), Miss State, and the like regularly first. If we're sitting here in five years with multiple ten win years and bitching about how he can't beat Alabama or Texas, I can live with that.
Gotcha. I think I sorta misread your first post.
Quote from: arreferee on Nov 10, 2025, 11:19 AMGotcha. I think I sorta misread your first post.
No I think I argued against something you didn't say, like my hero John White. My bad.
The record should be concerning for a team in Penn State's spot. I just don't think we're to the point where that is relevant to us yet.
https://x.com/TomMarsLaw/status/1987644542632312979
just what you want in the middle of a coaching search.
Greatest. Coaching Search. Evar.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 10, 2025, 12:46 PMGreatest. Coaching Search. Evar.
i assume this also impacts their NIL money
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 10, 2025, 01:14 PMi assume this also impacts their NIL money
unless they get a handout from the state government, they'll have to get some boosters to foot the bill, so yeah, it will affect their nil when it comes to soliciting the same boosters for money.
it may or may not. don't think that's the worst part of this for lsu.
kelley went into a meeting to discuss staff changes and gets fired by the ad. the governor steps in, fires that ad and says a bunch of ridiculous shit about the ncaa investigating an agent that represents their so called favorite candidate.
now they expect kelley, who was not fired for cause, to somehow agree to millions less in buyout money....just because. i'm sure kiffin and sexton are looking at all this and saying fuck that.
Doesn't orgeron want the job and will go for cheap?
BMFP to Auburn?
As OC. He's not mentioned, but completely parsing based on this analysis.
Hearing that Sumrall is a top name for Auburn, Matt Barrie also gave his own thumbs-up on the potential pairing between the current Tulane coach and the Auburn Tigers: I agree. I think Sumrall is a home run at Auburn. He's from Alabama. He grew up in the state."
He's also well-versed in SEC culture and SEC football, having once played at Kentucky while previously serving as the Kentucky linebackers coach under Mark Stoops before he earned his first head coaching gig with Troy.
"He's going to have to bring an offense with him," Barrie added. "A defensive-minded head coach, a former linebacker at Kentucky. So that's just his side of the ball. So they're going to have to do something to keep the fans engaged in the offense."
In reading the mess about Brian Kelly, I noticed that none other than Julie Cromer is the deputy AD at LSU.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 10, 2025, 02:04 PMBMFP to Auburn?
As OC. He's not mentioned, but completely parsing based on this analysis.
Hearing that Sumrall is a top name for Auburn, Matt Barrie also gave his own thumbs-up on the potential pairing between the current Tulane coach and the Auburn Tigers: I agree. I think Sumrall is a home run at Auburn. He's from Alabama. He grew up in the state."
He's also well-versed in SEC culture and SEC football, having once played at Kentucky while previously serving as the Kentucky linebackers coach under Mark Stoops before he earned his first head coaching gig with Troy.
"He's going to have to bring an offense with him," Barrie added. "A defensive-minded head coach, a former linebacker at Kentucky. So that's just his side of the ball. So they're going to have to do something to keep the fans engaged in the offense."
The OC they have now is not at all a bad option. No one got to see what he could do until this past weekend, and look what happened.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Nov 10, 2025, 04:45 PMIn reading the mess about Brian Kelly, I noticed that none other than Julie Cromer is the deputy AD at LSU.
Yup.
Supposedly woodward offered Kelly $25m and no mitigation.
Woodward got offed amd Cramer offered $30m
Why the hell they think Kelly and his agent, Trace Armstrong, are going to settle for anything less than what is in the contract is crazy and foolish.
What a circus. Sounds like they don't have the money and Woodward went rouge and he had a $6m+ buyout.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 10, 2025, 11:49 AMhttps://x.com/TomMarsLaw/status/1987644542632312979
just what you want in the middle of a coaching search.
Not exactly a mind-blowing take by me, but this is absolutely a
terrible look for them in the middle of an active coaching search.
The optics of lowballing your former coach instead of paying him the contractually obligated amount (and then getting sued by him) couldn't be worse.
LSU is an attractive job and all, but it really feels like they're in for a redux of 2016 where they thought they were getting Tom Herman or Jimbo and had to settle for Orgeron.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 10, 2025, 10:41 PMYup.
Supposedly woodward offered Kelly $25m and no mitigation.
Woodward got offed amd Cramer offered $30m
Why the hell they think Kelly and his agent, Trace Armstrong, are going to settle for anything less than what is in the contract is crazy and foolish.
What a circus. Sounds like they don't have the money and Woodward went rouge and he had a $6m+ buyout.
Woodward's a tranny?
Somehow the media will still portray Ark as the clown show and LSU as pissing excellence
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1988106743503552651?
LSU is trying their best to get out of that buyout.
it's getting comical at this point. this is how you take a top program into a coaching search and just fuck the whole thing up.
what's funny is corndog fans said when he got canned that a single booster (the raising canes guy) was paying the entire buyout and it was no big deal.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 11, 2025, 10:08 AMit's getting comical at this point. this is how you take a top program into a coaching search and just fuck the whole thing up.
what's funny is corndog fans said when he got canned that a single booster (the raising canes guy) was paying the entire buyout and it was no big deal.
At least it is not us.....yet.
Quote from: animal on Nov 11, 2025, 08:06 AMSomehow the media will still portray Ark as the clown show and LSU as pissing excellence
Well, we do have a history of clowniness.
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 11, 2025, 11:53 AMWell, we do have a history of clowniness.
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Their next move in this game of 1-D chess will be to say "He never worked here"
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 11, 2025, 11:57 AM[url="https://www.woopig.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=11495;type=preview;file"]clown.jpeg[/url]
Need to throw a copyright Spiderham on that bad boy. 😄Thanks to AI, that's some of my best work.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 11, 2025, 01:10 PMNeed to throw a copyright Spiderham on that bad boy. 😄Thanks to AI, that's some of my best work.
Your AI creation was a lot better than mine, so I accidentally gained a new picture. :stache:
I'll give you credit on any future use. Please don't sue me.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 11, 2025, 01:58 PMYour AI creation was a lot better than mine, so I accidentally gained a new picture. :stache:
I'll give you credit on any future use. Please don't sue me.
I'm holding out for Woopig royalty payments.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 11, 2025, 12:27 PMTheir next move in this game of 1-D chess will be to say "He never worked here"
"He was late to work last week"
LSU is driving their car right over the cliff. Arkansas' car is still sitting in the driveway with a flat tire.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 11, 2025, 06:09 PMLSU is driving their car right over the cliff. Arkansas' car is still sitting in the driveway with a flat tire.
:maundoed: :rofl:
I'm enjoying the dumpster fire of the LSU/Kelly battle. So the LSU media mouthpieces down here are saying he wasn't officially fired, but that LSU had cause to fire him, and both sides agreed to negotiate a buyout because they all wanted to keep whatever "cause" they had from becoming public knowledge. LSU offered 25 million, and then 30 million. Kelly wanted 43 million, LSU says see you in court. The talking heads on the radio are saying they have him on a breach of a morality clause, and that they know what it is but won't spill the beans yet.
they can't retroactively claim a morality clause. i saw that part of the contract on the rant and it states the university would have to give prior written notice and a statement on the grounds of the firing within seven days.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 11, 2025, 12:27 PMTheir next move in this game of 1-D chess will be to say "He never worked here"
:beer:
He put ketchup in his etoufee. That's for cause for sure
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 11, 2025, 02:35 PMI'm holding out for Woopig royalty payments.
I think royalty payments come with the annual dues invoice.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 11, 2025, 12:27 PMTheir next move in this game of 1-D chess will be to say "He never worked here"
That's what makes this so hard.
Neuheisel says he's heard UCLA wants Chesney
https://x.com/CBSSportsCFB/status/1989792915015537151?s=20
With all the better teams looking, you know we will get the leftovers. Or the shit other teams threw in the trash can.
who knows, but i don't see that guy at ucla at all.
they can't raise money for shit. dude would need a huge commitment, like money in the bank, before taking on that job.
UCLA is not a better job in the current situation
Hogs will choose between Gus, Ed O, and Barry Odum.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 16, 2025, 05:58 PMUCLA is not a better job in the current situation
not at all.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2025, 06:01 PMHogs will choose between Gus, Ed O, and Barry Odum.
That might be enough to make me walk away. Orgeron's name being discussed is embarrassing.
why don't we just hire Neuheisel?
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 16, 2025, 06:17 PMThat might be enough to make me walk away. Orgeron's name being discussed is embarrassing.
Sad part is we'll take the one that couldn't land the Okie State or VaTech gig.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 16, 2025, 06:41 PMwhy don't we just hire Neuheisel?
I'd take him before Gus or MarbleMouth.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 16, 2025, 06:41 PMwhy don't we just hire Neuheisel?
He could Go Choctaw for his gambling needs.
Ole Miss gives Lane an Egg Bowl day deadline of Nov 28.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 17, 2025, 04:55 PMOle Miss gives Lane an Egg Bowl day deadline of Nov 28.
What makes Ole Miss think they're in any kind of position to make demands?
HAHA, I'm sure if Lane told them I'm waiting until Nov. 30th, Ole Miss would of course wait. They are at his mercy, not the other way around.
CBS reported that LSU sent a private jet for the Kiffin family to tour Baton Rouge.
his buyout is $36.5 million. what are they going to do, fire him just before the playoffs?
Ole Miss may follow a previous hire they made. If Kiffin goes to LSU will HDN Pittman go to Ole Miss?
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 17, 2025, 05:06 PMhis buyout is $36.5 million. what are they going to do, fire him just before the playoffs?
Start to actively target/interview potential replacements so they're not stuck without a chair when the music stops. They're not going to fire him but I'd give him some sort of deadline if his family was being taken on recruiting trips to visit competitors during the bye week. Pate floated this same scenario last night in the video I posted this morning.
Quote from: Bogey7 on Nov 17, 2025, 05:24 PMOle Miss may follow a previous hire they made. If Kiffin goes to LSU will HDN Pittman go to Ole Miss?
and somehow it all started with our failure to hire Tommy T back in the day.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Nov 17, 2025, 05:04 PMHAHA, I'm sure if Lane told them I'm waiting until Nov. 30th, Ole Miss would of course wait. They are at his mercy, not the other way around.
CBS reported that LSU sent a private jet for the Kiffin family to tour Baton Rouge.
I know they are kind of back together or whatever, but isn't he divorced? I'm sure his daughter is getting her own "tour" of Baton Rouge. What "family" did they send a private jet for?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Nov 17, 2025, 05:58 PMI know they are kind of back together or whatever, but isn't he divorced? I'm sure his daughter is getting her own "tour" of Baton Rouge. What "family" did they send a private jet for?
It was his Ex-wife, Layla. They are back together now. Supposedly, she visited Gainesville last week and Baton Rouge this week. She is from Gainesville and apparently her mother still lives there. I'd say he is going to Florida or this is Jimmy Sexton trying to squeeze every last cent out of ole miss.
Quote from: Olhickoryhog on Nov 17, 2025, 06:25 PMIt was his Ex-wife, Layla. They are back together now. Supposedly, she visited Gainesville last week and Baton Rouge this week. She is from Gainesville and apparently her mother still lives there. I'd say he is going to Florida or this is Jimmy Sexton trying to squeeze every last cent out of ole miss.
Probably. But if that thing is rocky and they split again, he's stuck in Gainesville with his ex and her mother. A playa has to consider those things.
Quote from: Zoso on Nov 13, 2025, 08:15 AMThat's what makes this so hard.
Underrated effort. 👍
I guess I have to do all the heavy lifting around here. IMG_3505.jpeg
Pussy involved?
https://x.com/LonghornsWire/status/1990600918568460350?s=20
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 17, 2025, 08:38 PMPussy involved?
https://x.com/LonghornsWire/status/1990600918568460350?s=20
"Desmond Howard thinks", that can't be real as those three word are never combined in that order.
I asked grok what the total buyout number was for the last three years.
385,000,000 for coaches not to coach.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 17, 2025, 08:45 PM"Desmond Howard thinks", that can't be real as those three word are never combined in that order.
Well, remember when Harsin was rumored to be banging that Clessi chick or whatever her name was? I don't think that was ever proven.
Rumor in Austin is that Sark may have caught some jungle fever with an athletic department employee.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 17, 2025, 09:00 PMWell, remember when Harsin was rumored to be banging that Clessi chick or whatever her name was? I don't think that was ever proven.
Rumor in Austin is that Sark may have caught some jungle fever with an athletic department employee.
Interesting. Pretty sure his wife is black. Remember seeing something about them being separated and got back together during the season.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 17, 2025, 08:45 PM"Desmond Howard thinks", that can't be real as those three word are never combined in that order.
The smartest thing that boy ever did was pose for the Heisman.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 17, 2025, 09:00 PMWell, remember when Harsin was rumored to be banging that Clessi chick or whatever her name was? I don't think that was ever proven.
Rumor in Austin is that Sark may have caught some jungle fever with an athletic department employee.
Oh shit, that'll get you fired in some places. Especially if she's a pretty blonde girl.
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 18, 2025, 07:06 AMOh shit, that'll get you fired in some places. Especially if she's a pretty blonde girl.
Or a horse face one too.
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 18, 2025, 07:06 AMOh shit, that'll get you fired in some places. Especially if she's a pretty blonde girl.
Texass will have to spend all their NIL money on the lawsoots.
Texas must want Sark gone. Otherwise I'm sure they know how to handle a coach having an affair without it becoming a big deal.
It's not like they're us.
Add Sark and it bumps the current buyout money being paid to just shy of a half billion.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Nov 18, 2025, 08:35 AMTexas must want Sark gone.
They will Saturday after the Hogs win.
Quote from: RPL on Nov 18, 2025, 01:24 PMThey will Saturday after the Hogs almost win and then they lose to Texas A&M.
More accurate.
Quote from: Guardrail on Nov 18, 2025, 07:06 AMOh shit, that'll get you fired in some places. Especially if she's a pretty blonde girl.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Nov 18, 2025, 08:35 AMTexas must want Sark gone. Otherwise I'm sure they know how to handle a coach having an affair without it becoming a big deal.
It's not like they're us.
They have survived worse - like the special team coach's stripper girlfriend's monkey biting a kid.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-football/article-13669405/Texas-football-coach-stripper-girlfriend-married.html
It just means more
sCam Newton is lobbying for Auburn to hire Drink. The carousel could really show us again where we stand in the college football world compared to Ole Miss and Missouri.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 19, 2025, 11:09 AMsCam Newton is lobbying for Auburn to hire Drink. The carousel could really show us again where we stand in the college football world compared to Ole Miss and Missouri.
There is nothing that makes the job attractive right now unless you are a coach looking to get fired early to supplement your retirement, or if you are Petrino looking for once last chance to prove yourself.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Nov 19, 2025, 12:06 PMThere is nothing that makes the job attractive right now unless you are a coach looking to get fired early to supplement your retirement, or if you are Petrino looking for once last chance to prove yourself.
Truth!
Quote from: Piggielicious on Nov 19, 2025, 12:06 PMThere is nothing that makes the job attractive right now unless you are a coach looking to get fired early to supplement your retirement, or if you are Petrino looking for once last chance to prove yourself.
money makes everything attractive
Quote from: BASS on Nov 19, 2025, 01:48 PMmoney makes everything attractive
She's worth $30-60 million dollars. Does that work for you?
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Quote from: BASS on Nov 19, 2025, 01:48 PMmoney makes everything attractive
And we apparently didn't have enough to beat out VA Tech for James Franklin if the rumors are true.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Nov 19, 2025, 02:09 PMShe's worth $30-60 million dollars. Does that work for you?
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Not enough money in the world....
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 19, 2025, 02:45 PMNot enough money in the world....
exactly what I was thinking
Quote from: Piggielicious on Nov 19, 2025, 02:30 PMAnd we apparently didn't have enough to beat out VA Tech for James Franklin if the rumors are true.
Not true.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Nov 19, 2025, 03:59 PMNot true.
You seem to bring some inside knowledge to the board occasionally. Any idea when we're naming Kane Wommack head coach?
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Nov 19, 2025, 02:09 PMShe's worth $30-60 million dollars. Does that work for you?
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Quote from: Piggielicious on Nov 19, 2025, 12:06 PMThere is nothing that makes the job attractive right now unless you are a coach looking to get fired early to supplement your retirement, or if you are Petrino looking for once last chance to prove yourself.
So, Gruden it is.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Nov 19, 2025, 02:09 PMShe's worth $30-60 million dollars. Does that work for you?
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Everytime my wife sees Whoopi or Ted Danson or Mary Steenburgen, she makes a comment. "Poor Mary Steenburgen. I bet she hates that he was fucking nastyass Whoopi for years!" "No dick that went into fucking Whoopi would ever go in my mouth!" "I bet that nasty whoopi cooter rotted Ted's dick off!" "I bet poor Mary makes Ted wear a rubber. That shit don't go away!"
When we lived in Jackson MS wife and I went to a Jackson Generals game. She and Ted were there as she was filming something. She is 10x more repulsive in person than on TV. I'm surprised they didn't put it on the scoreboard. "Can you believe Ted Danson is fucking that?!"
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 19, 2025, 04:02 PMYou seem to bring some inside knowledge to the board occasionally. Any idea when we're naming Kane Wommack head coach?
I have no idea who the coach will be. The few people I know that give me info sometimes said they don't even know.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Nov 20, 2025, 01:18 PMI have no idea who the coach will be. The few people I know that give me info sometimes said they don't even know.
Damn slacker ;D
Penn State beat reporter says Penn State wants DeBoer
https://tdalabamamag.com/2025/11/20/kalen-deboer-named-a-top-target-for-big-ten-job-opening/
There is a big rumor that Sark is out for cause at Texas due to him and his wife being swingers, which turned into revenge fucking while they were split and causing issues when they got back together. His wife is named L'Oreal like the shampoo.
The primary issue seems to be her favorite partners have been tsip players. And his have been a woman in the athletic dept, and some player/ ex player sisters and moms. And that he started drinking again during their separation.
A Bama buddy says the DeBoer to pedo is a real thing and he is hoping it's real. If tide and horns enter the coaching search it's going to get really nuts.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 21, 2025, 08:05 AMThere is a big rumor that Sark is out for cause at Texas due to him and his wife being swingers, which turned into revenge fucking while they were split and causing issues when they got back together. His wife is named L'Oreal like the shampoo.
The primary issue seems to be her favorite partners have been tsip players. And his have been a woman in the athletic dept, and some player/ ex player sisters and moms. And that he started drinking again during their separation.
A Bama buddy says the DeBoer to pedo is a real thing and he is hoping it's real. If tide and horns enter the coaching search it's going to get really nuts.
How many times is Texas gonna get away with the domestic reason to get rid of a coach?
Gotta think Kiffen to Bama if that happens.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 21, 2025, 08:05 AMThere is a big rumor that Sark is out for cause at Texas due to him and his wife being swingers, which turned into revenge fucking while they were split and causing issues when they got back together. His wife is named L'Oreal like the shampoo.
The primary issue seems to be her favorite partners have been tsip players. And his have been a woman in the athletic dept, and some player/ ex player sisters and moms. And that he started drinking again during their separation.
A Bama buddy says the DeBoer to pedo is a real thing and he is hoping it's real. If tide and horns enter the coaching search it's going to get really nuts.
There is a lot of talk...
Sark had to address it.
Where there's smoke... (https://talksport.com/nfl/3752276/college-football-lane-kiffin-steve-sarkisian-ole-miss-longhorns/)
There's also the bit where Sark's wife's kid ain't his kid. Allegedly, as if anyone would know.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 21, 2025, 08:34 AMThere's also the bit where Sark's wife's kid ain't his kid. Allegedly, as if anyone would know.
An ostrich was involved?
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 21, 2025, 08:05 AMA Bama buddy says the DeBoer to pedo is a real thing and he is hoping it's real. If tide and horns enter the coaching search it's going to get really nuts.
DeBoer's agent (Sexton)reached out to Penn St. Either a raise is on the way, or DeBoer really wants out of Bama.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 21, 2025, 08:45 AMAn ostrich was involved?
The Ginger approves
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the coaching search forum on the rant is fun.
ole miss said a decision will be made after the egg bowl. corndog fans were convinced they were getting an announcement today that kiffin would be their coach. lots of mental gymnastics going on.
Is deboar out at bama? Seeing things...also would that be the reason lane kiffin would leave ole miss. Where else would he really go? Is lsu more money? Or Florida?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 21, 2025, 08:18 AMGotta think Kiffen to Bama if that happens.
My first thought as well. Doesn't have to be the one to immediately succeed Nick. Perfect situation and you know they want him.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 21, 2025, 06:11 PMIs deboar out at bama? Seeing things...also would that be the reason lane kiffin would leave ole miss. Where else would he really go? Is lsu more money? Or Florida?
There's a greater-than-zero chance that Texas and Bama could both wind up playing on this year's carousel.
Tech got Franklin for $8.2 mil/year with a $7 million increase in the staff salary pool (up to $15.5 million).
I'll be surprised if he's not ACC champ within two years.
i'm surprised he signed for less than $10 per with the number of openings out there. he had the leverage for sure, maybe he conceeded some for assistant pool.
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1992064482949124449?s=61&t=jBF4ycjE1_hZ59GSXn-HZg
Boom goes the Dynamite
If that's the offer there's no way Ole Miss matches. If I'm Florida I don't even try.
One of our 3 "permanent" opponents. How do we always get so lucky?
I'm no Ole Miss fan but a part of me feels bad for them.
The other 99% of me thinks it's funny as hell.
I thought I read here on the woopig that LSU was broke.
WTF?
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 22, 2025, 06:50 AMI thought I read here on the woopig that LSU was broke.
WTF?
Tariffs on corndogs has made the coonasses flush with cash.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 22, 2025, 06:50 AMI thought I read here on the woopig that LSU was broke.
WTF?
Schools that give a shit find a way.
Rumblings that Ole Miss and Florida are both prepared to shell out $13 million. And we couldn't find $9 mil for Franklin.
LSU is the real weirdo when they hired Brain Kelly who had repeatedly shown on the big stage to be a bit of a flop. It was one of those "on paper" it looks good kind of hires but they literally just won a natty with a fucking cajun retard. They didn't need to spend hella money on a coach. They needed competency and continued progression toward NIL etc. They could have hired any number of young hungry coaches and probably gotten better results. These older veteran coaches who feel they have nothing to prove seem to come into these situations and fizzle out quickly.
Nobody really knows what's going to happen when Kiffin goes to LSU but if he does it should weaken Ole Miss...I doubt Ole Miss strikes it rich twice on coaching hires. Kiffin for all his faults as a younger coach has certainly shown he's got the chops. Sure his teams have done their share of flaking out in the big games and they may continue at LSU. The talent won't be that much better maybe marginally. The resources and the facilities I'd think will be far better. Kiffin's upward trend seems to suggest he's going to take somebody to a natty...and with better mgmt Arkansas probably could have had him.
What exactly has King Kiffin won that makes him the next Air Saban?
let these schools pay a guy who's never played for a sec championship $14 million per.
hope they guarantee it.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 21, 2025, 06:11 PMIs deboar out at bama? Seeing things...also would that be the reason lane kiffin would leave ole miss. Where else would he really go? Is lsu more money? Or Florida?
DeBoer was an idiot to take the job. You dont want to be the guy to replace Bear Bryant, err Nick Saban. You want to be the guy that replaces him. Penn State seems to be a calmer place for him.
The place that Kiffin is supposedly talking to is Texas. Sark is not endearing himself to the fan base or BTB, they hate his player fucking wife like she's yoko ono or Hillary. They have more money than anybody and a qb that needs better coaching.
The interesting thing is how many CFP teams will be missing their hc.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 22, 2025, 06:50 AMI thought I read here on the woopig that LSU was broke.
WTF?
Lots of places were reporting that LSU was broke. I wondered the same thing. What changed that?
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 22, 2025, 12:10 PMLots of places were reporting that LSU was broke. I wondered the same thing. What changed that?
They managed to muddy the waters on his deal and it's going to be tied up in a lawsuit. Maybe they aren't worried.
They're still claiming Kelly was fired for cause. LSU/Louisiana is really trying to go into court with the "he was never actually fired, but we had to let him go because he stopped showing up for work," approach.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 22, 2025, 11:58 AMDeBoer was an idiot to take the job. You dont want to be the guy to replace Bear Bryant, err Nick Saban. You want to be the guy that replaces him. Penn State seems to be a calmer place for him.
The place that Kiffin is supposedly talking to is Texas. Sark is not endearing himself to the fan base or BTB, they hate his player fucking wife like she's yoko ono or Hillary. They have more money than anybody and a qb that needs better coaching.
The interesting thing is how many CFP teams will be missing their hc.
What's the player fucking story?
https://x.com/tommarslaw/status/1992265424730571134?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
i was wondering about that. the settlement money the school can pay out is capped at $20.5 and that's for the entire athletic program.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 22, 2025, 11:58 AMSark is not endearing himself to the fan base or BTB, they hate his player fucking wife like she's yoko ono or Hillary.
I know UT is a place that would adore Hillary and the more I think about it maybe Yoko, too.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 22, 2025, 01:20 PMi was wondering about that. the settlement money the school can pay out is capped at $20.5 and that's for the entire athletic program.
I have been wondering about that. I know that is the cap the school can pay out, but that doesn't prevent individual donors from paying more if they want, does it?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 22, 2025, 08:03 AMWhat exactly has King Kiffin won that makes him the next Air Saban?
Ole Miss is in the top 10 and consistently top 20
That program and university have many disadvantages vs ours. If UA has a coach that has us in the playoff and consistently top 20, look out because people are coming after him
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 21, 2025, 06:11 PMIs deboar out at bama? Seeing things...also would that be the reason lane kiffin would leave ole miss. Where else would he really go? Is lsu more money? Or Florida?
Deboar should be de hog coach.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 22, 2025, 01:49 PMI have been wondering about that. I know that is the cap the school can pay out, but that doesn't prevent individual donors from paying more if they want, does it?
no, but 3rd party deals certainly can't be in a school's contract. i think that's what mars was talking about. and how do you hold a booster to that legally if it's voluntary?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 22, 2025, 01:52 PMOle Miss is in the top 10 and consistently top 20
That program and university have many disadvantages vs ours. If UA has a coach that has us in the playoff and consistently top 20, look out because people are coming after him
Nice problem to have for once
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 22, 2025, 02:07 PMNice problem to have for once
Definitely would be
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 22, 2025, 02:00 PMno, but 3rd party deals certainly can't be in a school's contract. i think that's what mars was talking about. and how do you hold a booster to that legally if it's voluntary?
A booster could sign a separate deal, couldn't he?
Cal fires Wilcox
Norvell returning to FSU
fsu wasn't going to eat that buyout and get into the coaching cycle this late in the game. not with all the other openings.
tell us how you really feel coach
https://x.com/max_olson/status/1992420376681365530?s=46
Dude makes $5.3m a year.
All he really needs to say is "If they go ahead and pay me my money, they can take my job tomorrow."
Stop with the whiny poor is me shit.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 23, 2025, 11:48 AMNorvell returning to FSU
Smart to avoid this year's crazy carousel. Two years ago FSU was one career-ending injury away from making noise in the CFP. I think Cornrows is a dead man walking there unless they make the CFP next season, but I doubt he has what it takes to make that kind of a turnaround.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 23, 2025, 12:23 PMtell us how you really feel coach
https://x.com/max_olson/status/1992420376681365530?s=46
Collin Klein is gonna a head coach soon and there is a push to get him back home before he becomes a hot name with better opportunities especially after what has been disappointing season for the wildcats.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 22, 2025, 01:30 PMI know UT is a place that would adore Hillary and the more I think about it maybe Yoko, too.
Texas is no different than other sec schools other than Vandy: most of the fans aren't alumni and have never been to a game
It's also not a comment on politics but the fact yoko blew up the Beatles and Hillary brought negativity to bill in most of their time.
I am not sold on Kiffin leaving OM yet. He has it made there, plenty of NIL and support, so why leave? The only reason I can see is that there are some job openings that look more attractive, but may not be. If he waits until next year, will there be any good job openings available? More money? Why, when he makes a lot now. Of course, money talks. So I guess we will see.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 24, 2025, 11:55 AMI am not sold on Kiffin leaving OM yet. He has it made there, plenty of NIL and support, so why leave? The only reason I can see is that there are some job openings that look more attractive, but may not be. If he waits until next year, will there be any good job openings available? More money? Why, when he makes a lot now. Of course, money talks. So I guess we will see.
It's Ole Miss. He can get to the playoffs there obviously, but he can't win a title. Needs to be at someplace like LSU or Florida with more access to athletes.
5-6 years ago, he's gone. It's not a given today. Just another way NIL and the transfer portal have changed college athletics.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 24, 2025, 12:35 PM5-6 years ago, he's gone. It's not a given today. Just another way NIL and the transfer portal have changed college athletics.
But Ole Miss has to be at their limit. Florida and even LSU have far more money available for NIL if they choose to spend it. And there are a significant number of quality players who flat out won't go to Ole Miss (or Arkansas, Missouri, etc) because of the name on the jersey. I think we've run into that in basketball with a couple of these high profile recruits.
Possibly, but expectations are more achievable at OM.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 24, 2025, 12:49 PMPossibly, but expectations are more achievable at OM.
If he leaves it's because he wants to be the last man standing in January. He can't win a championship at Ole Miss.
I hate to give the fat retarded Miss State turd on Barstool any credit, but he may be right about this. He says all of it is a marketing ploy by Ole Miss. They're setting up all the drama and the fake interest from Lane to make their program look better once he decides to stay.
barring a miracle this friday, he's going to the playoffs and getting bye. i don't think it can be said that he definitely can't win a nc.
i also think it's a big troll job and he stays at ole miss. he loves fucking with other teams.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 24, 2025, 01:11 PMbarring a miracle this friday, he's going to the playoffs and getting bye. i don't think it can be said that he definitely can't win a nc.
i also think it's a big troll job and he stays at ole miss. he loves fucking with other teams.
They're going to run up against someone that will overwhelm them with talent. Wouldn't shock me to see them win a game. Doubt they can win three in a row against that kind of competition.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 24, 2025, 12:35 PM5-6 years ago, he's gone. It's not a given today. Just another way NIL and the transfer portal have changed college athletics.
And the expanded playoffs too
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 24, 2025, 08:51 AMTexas is no different than other sec schools other than Vandy: most of the fans aren't alumni and have never been to a game
It's also not a comment on politics but the fact yoko blew up the Beatles and Hillary brought negativity to bill in most of their time.
I wasn't really commenting on politics either, more that UT is the type of place that has a lot of people who would like loathsome people like Hillary and Yoko. Politics is only a subset of their all-around loathsomeness.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 24, 2025, 11:55 AMI am not sold on Kiffin leaving OM yet. He has it made there, plenty of NIL and support, so why leave? The only reason I can see is that there are some job openings that look more attractive, but may not be. If he waits until next year, will there be any good job openings available? More money? Why, when he makes a lot now. Of course, money talks. So I guess we will see.
He could get a statue built of himself at Ole Miss. I think he stays.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 24, 2025, 08:51 AMTexas is no different than other sec schools other than Vandy: most of the fans aren't alumni and have never been to a game
It's also not a comment on politics but the fact yoko blew up the Beatles and Hillary brought negativity to bill in most of their time.
As much as I dislike UT they are a MASSIVE university with a huge and affluent alumni base. It's not about what the Aggies like to call "T-shirt fans", it's the Joe Jamails, etc that pay the big ticket bills.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 24, 2025, 05:00 PMHe could get a statue built of himself at Ole Miss. I think he stays.
IF he stays it's because he learned something from the UT to USC move.
If he leaves he clearly didn't.
Kiffin is a nomad, think about it as he bounced around growing up - look at his dad's resume. that's the life he knows and he can't help it, it's who he is and why he is who he is - the troll who has never put down roots anywhere and it's just a foreign concept to him. 6 years is the longest he's stayed one place and dont' forget he was halfway out the door to Auburn 2 years ago.
he's like muss as we saw firsthand.
I think he goes to LSU and it will the same way it's going to in Oxford - not well as he burns the bridges on his way out of town.
Maybe he's waiting to see if DeBoer bounces to Happy Valley ?
The Egg Bowl is gonna be must watch TV and it's a shame it's not a night game - the ratings would be insane.
Are the LSU fans slobbering over him starting immediately nest week some of the same people who looked down on Petrino bailing midseason.
Petrino wasn't really leaving anything worth a shit.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 24, 2025, 06:42 PMKiffin is a nomad, think about it as he bounced around growing up - look at his dad's resume. that's the life he knows and he can't help it, it's who he is and why he is who he is - the troll who has never put down roots anywhere and it's just a foreign concept to him. 6 years is the longest he's stayed one place and dont' forget he was halfway out the door to Auburn 2 years ago.
he's like muss as we saw firsthand.
Wasn't the same thing said about Petrino?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Nov 24, 2025, 08:28 PMWasn't the same thing said about Petrino?
100% same thought when I read that.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 24, 2025, 06:27 PMIF he stays it's because he learned something from the UT to USC move.
If he leaves he clearly didn't.
Wut? Leaving UT for USC is NOTHING like leaving Ole Miss for LSU. Not when there's reports of $90 million in play, if that's accurate.
Quote from: TC on Nov 24, 2025, 10:49 PMWut? Leaving UT for USC is NOTHING like leaving Ole Miss for LSU. Not when there's reports of $90 million in play, if that's accurate.
Do we really know what $90 million of LSU money IS compared to schools that honor their contracts? If I'm Kiffen, LSU sounds like a dumpster fire. Like they really weren't even shit before Saban stepped on campus there. USC has a much deeper history of success.
BK was a horrible fit there, but probably not a terrible coach if we're being honest. LSU is probably exactly what USC thought they were 15 years ago when they hired Kiffen.
Quote from: TC on Nov 24, 2025, 10:49 PMWut? Leaving UT for USC is NOTHING like leaving Ole Miss for LSU. Not when there's reports of $90 million in play, if that's accurate.
He was winning and happy at UT. USC was his dream job, he left and underperformed expectations (despite not having enough scholies) and was fired on the damn runway.
Had to start over as an asst with Saban and work his way up through Florida Atlantic after that, he's said in interviews it was a mistake he regretted repeatedly. He should've stayed at UT.
He's king at OM, they'll give him everything he wants. If he leaves for LSU and is good but not great...
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 24, 2025, 11:43 PMHe was winning and happy at UT. USC was his dream job, he left and underperformed expectations (despite not having enough scholies) and was fired on the damn runway.
Had to start over as an asst with Saban and work his way up through Florida Atlantic after that, he's said in interviews it was a mistake he regretted repeatedly. He should've stayed at UT.
He's king at OM, they'll give him everything he wants. If he leaves for LSU and is good but not great...
Leaving for USC was his dream job, agreed. But leaving for LSU is nothing like that now. Not with the price tags being thrown around, if those numbers are to be believed.
I do agree that his best play is staying at Ole Miss.
Art Briles hired by Eastern New Mexico.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 24, 2025, 11:43 PMHe was winning and happy at UT.
He was 7-6 in his one year at UT. Then USC wanted him.
They fucking loved Kiffin and almost burned down the campus when he left
They thought he'd win a NC within a few years, he had Orgeron and they were killing everyone recruiting
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 25, 2025, 07:26 PMThey fucking loved Kiffin and almost burned down the campus when he left
They thought he'd win a NC within a few years, he had Orgeron and they were killing everyone recruiting
That was a very weird deal. He talked mad smack there in a very short period of time. I guess they were yearning for something exciting after fat Phil cashed it in but I kinda felt a little bad for them. They got mired in a long string of bad coaches, similar to us after petrino. Hopefully it's our time to break the curse.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 25, 2025, 07:26 PMThey fucking loved Kiffin and almost burned down the campus when he left
They thought he'd win a NC within a few years, he had Orgeron and they were killing everyone recruiting
WILD BOYZ!
Considering USC had Kiffen and Riley as HC, yet still couldn't win is fascinating. Definitely would've thought they would have done much better.
Quote from: HogglyWoggly on Nov 25, 2025, 09:00 PMWILD BOYZ!
If you told me then Orgeron would be head coach of LSU and win a NC, then get shitcanned almost immediately...
WILD BOYZ indeed
Missouri is fighting to keep drink
https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1993518017888838010?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
He'd be a fool to sign that.
Florida will make him a top priority when Lane passes on them.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 25, 2025, 11:02 PMHe'd be a fool to sign that.
Florida will make him a top priority when Lane passes on them.
Will pedo go after him too? He's their kind of guy.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 26, 2025, 05:41 AMWill pedo go after him too? He's their kind of guy.
He would be perfect at Pedo...considering the guy already looks like a convict pedo now anyways.
I don't get Kiffin leaving a playoff team to go to a place where they shirk out on paying buyouts and have shown to have a quick hook.
I'm sure mostly this is to leverage more money out of Ole Miss.
It's sad that we're somebodies backup plan (as opposed to Ole Miss) and that if you believe some we go passed on my the fucking North Texas coach. Probably more likely he got told he's 2nd or 3rd on the wish list.
Quote from: animal on Nov 26, 2025, 04:15 PMI don't get Kiffin leaving a playoff team to go to a place where they shirk out on paying buyouts and have shown to have a quick hook.
I'm sure mostly this is to leverage more money out of Ole Miss.
It's sad that we're somebodies backup plan (as opposed to Ole Miss) and that if you believe some we go passed on my the fucking North Texas coach. Probably more likely he got told he's 2nd or 3rd on the wish list.
If Kiffin decides to stay at OM, everyone's world will come to an end. That would be the "shit hits the fan" decision for a lot of coaches licking their lips to go a better program.
he would have no problem fucking with lsu and leaving them scrambling.
Maybe I missed the secret insider information here, but I just saw that Dilly Dilly is likely going to Florida.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 26, 2025, 04:51 PMhe would have no problem fucking with lsu and leaving them scrambling.
I hope he stretches it out as long as possible and then stays put. The more chaos, the better.
Still think that's gonna happen.
I could definitely see Lane (and Sexton) working Ole Miss for a better deal then just delaying LSU's search to troll them.
Ole Miss and LSU have been pretty good rivals over the years.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 26, 2025, 05:05 PMI hope he stretches it out as long as possible and then stays put. The more chaos, the better.
Exactly.
If for sure staying at ole miss, then it's absolutely in his interest to screw over anyone that would be on the schedule. And this is exactly how kiffen thinks.
If I'm a Ole Miss fan I'm pissed my ball coach is playing with his vag and not worrying about his current team.
I couldn't imagine what it would feel like if the Hogs finally had a real chance at a NC but we couldn't even enjoy it b/c our coach was flirting w/ other jobs all season. Almost makes me feel sorry for the poor bastards.
almost
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 26, 2025, 05:05 PMI hope he stretches it out as long as possible and then stays put. The more chaos, the better.
I hope we get Golesh, Kiffin goes to LSU, and Ole Miss has to scramble like we did to get Sam and gets a similar result. I think they stumbled into Kiffin with a lot of help from Sexton, and could end up back down in the lower middle of the pack if Kiffin leaves.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 27, 2025, 08:05 AMI hope we get Golesh, Kiffin goes to LSU, and Ole Miss has to scramble like we did to get Sam and gets a similar result. I think they stumbled into Kiffin with a lot of help from Sexton, and could end up back down in the lower middle of the pack if Kiffin leaves.
Ole Miss has a good athletic director. Keith Carter, the Arkansas guy who Nolan didn't recruit who went to play basketball at Ole Miss instead.
He's one of the seemingly long line of former Arkansas people who take pride in fucking us whenever they can.
Drink signed a new contract. $10.7 million average.
Florida and Auburn on the clock now. You know, the "real" SEC teams.
Little surprised he didn't jump on one of these openings. Hope we kick his ass tomorrow.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 27, 2025, 10:14 AMLittle surprised he didn't jump on one of these openings. Hope we kick his ass tomorrow.
It would be ironic to get the shitty trophy.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 27, 2025, 10:19 AMIt would be ironic to get the shitty trophy.
Don't you be dissing THE BATTLE LINE TROPHY!
Call it by its name!
The winner gets to flip-flop the "Battle Line" color.
I know it's been so long since we won it that I really didn't remember it and had to look it up to see if I imagined it.
:stache:
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 27, 2025, 10:14 AMLittle surprised he didn't jump on one of these openings. Hope we kick his ass tomorrow.
maybe he wasn't a real candidate for any of them. heaven forbid his agent put his name out there to get the guy a raise.
losing four out of the last six hasn't helped even if someone had been considering the guy.
Possibly. If Kiffen stays put, there aren't many great candidates out there for FL and LSU. Imagine if Deboar leaves Bama for PSU. I would've thought Drink would be in play somewhere.
It may be a situation similar to Kiffen at OM where he believes with the support he has he can easily meet expectations there.
Ole Miss has a lot of fans who are pissed.
They are Ole Miss though, and they know deep down that Kiffin is the best they'll ever get.
They'll try to convince themselves that Ole Miss is an elite program blah blah blah. "We'll be fine."
Ole Miss is running an athletic budget in the red. They got lucky with Kiffin. I can't wait until til they get put back in their place.
They can all go fuck off with their rag tag stadium. Their biggest crowd ever is 68k.
I love it's happening to them, I'm glad their miserable, they deserve it believe me.
Dillingham to Florida is gaining more traction.
I think Kiffin will stay so LSU could be the odd man out and reach for a coordinator like Klein or maybe pluck an uninspiring Big 12 coach.
Thing about OM is they have at least showed a commitment to compete with NIL. That will be attractive if the job becomes available.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 27, 2025, 10:49 AMDon't you be dissing THE BATTLE LINE TROPHY!
Call it by its name!
The winner gets to flip-flop the "Battle Line" color.
I know it's been so long since we won it that I really didn't remember it and had to look it up to see if I imagined it.
:stache:
This rivalry is steeped in tradition, going all the way back to recently... like, 10 years ago... when David Bazzel invented it.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 27, 2025, 12:32 PMThing about OM is they have at least showed a commitment to compete with NIL. That will be attractive if the job becomes available.
lane created it tho. to his credit he was the one who went out into the public and sold it hard to the fans and the players. i think it remains to be seen if some g5 coach (if he leaves) will draw that kind of enthusiasm.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 27, 2025, 01:04 PMlane created it tho. to his credit he was the one who went out into the public and sold it hard to the fans and the players. i think it remains to be seen if some g5 coach (if he leaves) will draw that kind of enthusiasm.
Agree, but you have to think it will sustain a few years to see if the new hire wins. If not, money will most likely be pulled back. Which then puts pressure on the administration to make another coaching change. It's a vicious circle.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 27, 2025, 01:11 PMIf not, money will most likely be pulled back. Which then puts pressure on the administration to make another coaching change. It's a vicious circle.
best case scenario.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 27, 2025, 12:42 PMThis rivalry is steeped in tradition, going all the way back to recently... like, 10 years ago... when David Bazzel invented it.
Didn't he say that Long ask him to make it. If so, another great decision by Mr. Integrity.
Quote from: red death on Nov 27, 2025, 11:43 AMThey can all go fuck off with their rag tag stadium. Their biggest crowd ever is 68k.
They have never put 68k in their shitty football stadium.
These are the same folks who have a baseball grandstand that seats 6100 and claim they've had crowds of 15,000 plus. With their terraced outfield, I don't see any way they've ever had a crowd over 10k there. They are so full of shit, always selling Ole Miss and Oxfurd as if it's the best place in the world. I've never met an Ole Miss person who wasn't like this. Very "pick me" group of folks. Definition of try-hard.
Still, their AD is way better than ours.
vandy coach gets a six year extension and a 'significant' salary increase.
It will be interesting to see if Vandy maintains success post Pavia.
Memphis fans are pissed at Silverfield. Let's hire him.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 28, 2025, 10:42 AMMemphis fans are pissed at Silverfield. Let's hire him.
id prefer to set our sights higher. They were 8-1 and ended 8-4.
Sounds like Florida has finally moved on from Lane
sumrall to make his decision sunday. seems to be between the gators and auburn.
auburn pay board says if he chooses florida, durkin being promoted is not out of the question.
Mizzou overpaid for Drink and he was smart to stay, this is all he's capable of and it wouldn't be good enough for the "step up" jobs
Morris has balls, after the run Gundy had at OSU and one bad year and a slow start, it didn't take much to let him go. B12 is WEAK but expectations are probably set a little too high in Stillwater.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2025, 01:05 PMsumrall to make his decision sunday. seems to be between the gators and auburn.
auburn pay board says if he chooses florida, durkin being promoted is not out of the question.
Sounds like the perfect storm for us to have Bobby go to Auburn as oc and get bufooed by them for the next 5 years.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 28, 2025, 01:30 PMSounds like the perfect storm for us to have Bobby go to Auburn as oc and get bufooed by them for the next 5 years.
Bingo. And magically he would have some incredible second half offenses
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 28, 2025, 01:14 PMMizzou overpaid for Drink and he was smart to stay, this is all he's capable of and it wouldn't be good enough for the "step up" jobs
Morris has balls, after the run Gundy had at OSU and one bad year and a slow start, it didn't take much to let him go. B12 is WEAK but expectations are probably set a little too high in Stillwater.
Wonder if Florida tried to low ball him since they are now offering $10m to sumrall. They shou,d go get Fisch since he is an alum but I guess the $10m buyout to Washington is an issue.
Lea was also said to be in the mix ant Florida and he is staying at vandy
Florida is in panic mode.
Right now which is a better job - auburn or Florida?
$10m a year is gonna be the norm now in the SEC, bad news for us.
https://x.com/TreyWallace_/status/1994511148184735811?t=jkuE_zTk7fzC8S-4Iljj3w&s=19 (https://x.com/TreyWallace_/status/1994511148184735811?t=jkuE_zTk7fzC8S-4Iljj3w&s=19)
He wasn't calling Lane a ho. He was talking about some dude named Joey Freshwater.
Stanford filled
https://x.com/petethamel/status/1994527220854133106?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Video referencing Lane's comments. These young idiotic so called media guys are as much the problem.
https://x.com/BrennonChapman/status/1994520536819667017?t=gB45kPUzKtX4tN2zAS7Kxw&s=19 (https://x.com/BrennonChapman/status/1994520536819667017?t=gB45kPUzKtX4tN2zAS7Kxw&s=19)
More from Lane. The funniest thing would be if the OM media runs him out of Oxford. The fanbase will go after these guys if he leaves now.
https://x.com/twosuh/status/1994520551365513401?t=ZY2PcJpoAhLxJJW34ACYdA&s=19 (https://x.com/twosuh/status/1994520551365513401?t=ZY2PcJpoAhLxJJW34ACYdA&s=19)
Quote from: wmr on Nov 27, 2025, 10:14 PMThey have never put 68k in their shitty football stadium.
These are the same folks who have a baseball grandstand that seats 6100 and claim they've had crowds of 15,000 plus. With their terraced outfield, I don't see any way they've ever had a crowd over 10k there. They are so full of shit, always selling Ole Miss and Oxfurd as if it's the best place in the world. I've never met an Ole Miss person who wasn't like this. Very "pick me" group of folks. Definition of try-hard.
Still, their AD is way better than ours.
Drunken delusion like their demigod hack William Faulkner. My 11th grade English teacher was one of these ole miss worshippers of Faulkner, no doubt a gay blade back when we really didn't think we'd ever seen a real homo. Affected southern accepts and weird pronunciations. Always sucking Oxford dick. Probably wore red pants.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2025, 04:33 PMMore from Lane. The funniest thing would be if the OM media runs him out of Oxford. The fanbase will go after these guys if he leaves now.
https://x.com/twosuh/status/1994520551365513401?t=ZY2PcJpoAhLxJJW34ACYdA&s=19 (https://x.com/twosuh/status/1994520551365513401?t=ZY2PcJpoAhLxJJW34ACYdA&s=19)
I think it is a fair question.
I seem to recall Arkansas media and fans losing their shit with all the flirting HDN did each off season.
Now we act like it's bush league.
The last guy talking makes the right point. It's about commitment. Lane has yet to provide clarity and he could put this all to bed by just being honest.
Personally, I don't give a shit what Kiffin does. I think he is showing his dick again with all the delaying and shit showing his decision. His true personality is coming out again. You know he is either trolling all the teams mentioned as his possible landing place, or playing OM like a fiddle. Either way, fuck him. (unless he chooses to coach here)
Lost in the charades is the poster child of an OM fan is quoting Three 6 Mafia lyrics.
ole miss pay board mod says he's been told kiffin will take the corndog job. will announce it sometime tomorrow.
they will go hard after sumrall as he's been the backup all along. golesh hasn't even been mentioned.
Going from Kiffen calling plays to Joe Craddock is a move.
Golesh will go to ole miss if kiffen leaves. I think Florida hires the bills OC. Gus will save us. And Sumrall will go to aubbie.
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Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2025, 08:43 PMGoing from Kiffen calling plays to Joe Craddock is a move.
that's what mccready says anyway. he's been ole miss's guy for quite a while.
So is Chesney staying out or going to PSU?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 28, 2025, 08:54 PMSo is Chesney staying out or going to PSU?
You need to subscribe for that kind of information. That's a different conference. Just send over your Zelle information.
Just surprised his name hasn't been mentioned more.
kinda coaching related but i could never figure out how anyone actually got paid with this outfit.
https://x.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1994039650877628546?s=20
How is Sumrall going to coach Ole Miss, Auburn, and Florida all at the same time? Dude's going to be exhausted by week 1.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 28, 2025, 09:18 PMHow is Sumrall going to coach Ole Miss, Auburn, and Florida all at the same time? Dude's going to be exhausted by week 1.
And we weren't interested
Or shall I say weren't willing to compete
You know, DeBoer hasn't said no to Penn State yet.
THAT'S the chaos this carousel needs.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 29, 2025, 07:31 AMYou know, DeBoer hasn't said no to Penn State yet.
THAT'S the chaos this carousel needs.
I don't see this happening unless it happens after Bama concludes their season. If Bama flames out early then maybe but otherwise idk maybe Penn State is waiting on a NFL coordinator or something. That seems a bit more likely.
I assume he'd have a huge buyout but I'd also assume there won't be any tears if he wants to ship himself elsewhere.
If DeBoer is really not happy at Bama, there's never gonna be an ideal time to leave. This year or others.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 29, 2025, 07:31 AMYou know, DeBoer hasn't said no to Penn State yet.
THAT'S the chaos this carousel needs.
If he loses tonight, it may not be fully his decision to make.
"Multiple sources" say Sumrall has taken his name out of the Auburn search.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 29, 2025, 12:02 PM"Multiple sources" say Sumrall has taken his name out of the Auburn search.
Wow. Gradulate da Gatah.
That puts another circle around Golesh.
Call me crazy but I don't think Auburn is a better destination for a coach than Arkansas. Better potential? Marginally so. Even crazier booster climate? Definitely so. More likely to get fired for some random shit that isn't your fault? 100 percent.
https://x.com/jtalty/status/1994824723054956715?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Golesh or Wommack it seems.
Did we even reach out to Chesney?
The most kiffin thing would be to pull an cremins, Altman, and attended the pc at LSU then back out 24 hours later and go back to ole miss.
So...
Florida gave up a G5 coach from a Louisiana school for a *checks notes* G5 coach from a Louisiana school.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 29, 2025, 12:24 PMSo...
Florida gave up a G5 coach from a Louisiana school for a *checks notes* G5 coach from a Louisiana school.
After they fired Dan Mullen
Thinking about the Lane situation, I'd definitely stay put at OM for now. LSU will likely not land a big time hire if it isn't him. Good possibility the LSU or Bama job may be available some point soon. Same goes for FL. It's not really a now or never situation. Especially with the team he has at OM right now.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 29, 2025, 12:43 PMThinking about the Lane situation, I'd definitely stay put at OM for now. LSU will likely not land a big time hire if it isn't him. Good possibility the LSU or Bama job may be available some point soon. Same goes for FL. It's not really a now or never situation. Especially with the team he has at OM right now.
Yep. He will be a hot commodity whenever it is.
i bet he needs to pray about it until after the bama. just to make sure god's on the up and up.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 29, 2025, 12:43 PMThinking about the Lane situation, I'd definitely stay put at OM for now. LSU will likely not land a big time hire if it isn't him. Good possibility the LSU or Bama job may be available some point soon. Same goes for FL. It's not really a now or never situation. Especially with the team he has at OM right now.
I agree generally. The only potential downside would be the chance of a bad year on the field. But one probably wouldn't hurt him.
He's had a good enough run to show he can win big. It would take more than 1 bad year to change that.
Side note, all the chatter about keeping an eye on Riley has died down. I'd probably take a chance on him over guys from G5.
And Lane just turned 50. He's got a lot of years left, enough to stay at Ole Miss longer AND go somewhere else for another run.
From the Rant and X, Sumrall is already on the hot seat and doesn't even have the job yet.
So is anyone talking about the Russian guy except us?
Quote from: TheOtherWhiteMeat on Nov 29, 2025, 02:02 PMSo is anyone talking about the Russian guy except us?
FL and AU. Possibly OM if Kiffen leaves. It's fluid...
Lol. This has been my favorite coaching carousel so far.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1994829706273984935?s=20
Kiffin working for that raise
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 29, 2025, 12:12 PMCall me crazy but I don't think Auburn is a better destination for a coach than Arkansas. Better potential? Marginally so. Even crazier booster climate? Definitely so. More likely to get fired for some random shit that isn't your fault? 100 percent.
At Auburn you're not just measured by how Auburn is doing but how Bama is doing as well.
Win 8 and Bama wins 9 and beats you, and that's an awful season to them.
Doesn't work that way for Arkansas. Win 8 and we're generally happy.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 29, 2025, 02:59 PMAt Auburn you're not just measured by how Auburn is doing but how Bama is doing as well.
Win 8 and Bama wins 9 and beats you, and that's an awful season to them.
Doesn't work that way for Arkansas. Win 8 and we're generally happy.
Win 8? How many seasons will THAT take?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 29, 2025, 03:00 PMWin 8? How many seasons will THAT take?
Combined? 3-4 depending.
Man I really gotta work on my material.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 29, 2025, 03:12 PMMan I really gotta work on my material.
It's all about delivery.
Quote from: animal on Nov 29, 2025, 02:35 PMKiffin working for that raise
He's waving his dick in everybodies face at the moment.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 29, 2025, 03:00 PMWin 8? How many seasons will THAT take?
Hell even Pittman won 9 in his 2nd season
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 29, 2025, 04:14 PMHell even Pittman won 9 in his 2nd season
That's awesome! Better lock that guy down with an extension and a buyout so other schools don't come after him!
Quote from: TC on Nov 29, 2025, 04:19 PMThat's awesome! Better lock that guy down with an extension and a buyout so other schools don't come after him!
There was an echo in here when we did this...
"WTF? Who was hiring Pittman?"
That run is our season.
This is how it should go down.
https://x.com/MCE0045/status/1994824105078788444?t=-ird5F-5EvHGKb3cxCnMNw&s=19 (https://x.com/MCE0045/status/1994824105078788444?t=-ird5F-5EvHGKb3cxCnMNw&s=19)
Lol. It's gonna be a wild 24 hours. Someone is going to get shot in Baton Rouge.
Also we'll figure out where Lane is going to be next year.
https://x.com/ScottHughesCBB/status/1994931684392014011?s=20
kiffin better win a nc wherever he ends up because he's come across as a huge prima donna and teams are going to think twice down the road.
now if he stays and fucks the corndogs over, then i'll forgive him.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 29, 2025, 08:19 PMkiffin better win a nc wherever he ends up because he's come across as a huge prima donna and teams are going to think twice down the road.
now if he stays and fucks the corndogs over, then i'll forgive him.
I'm gonna play the other side. He shouldn't be forced to make a decision before he is ready. This is kinda an unprecedented scenario with how the timing has worked out. It made no sense for him to make a decision till this weekend completed. Still a lot to play for and the outcome of these games matter into the decision.
Also, he should fuck over as many SEC teams as aa possible.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 29, 2025, 08:19 PMkiffin better win a nc wherever he ends up because he's come across as a huge prima donna and teams are going to think twice down the road.
now if he stays and fucks the corndogs over, then i'll forgive him.
Best troll job in a long time.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 29, 2025, 08:26 PMI'm gonna play the other side. He shouldn't be forced to make a decision before he is ready. This is kinda an unprecedented scenario with how the timing has worked out. It made no sense for him to make a decision till this weekend completed. Still a lot to play for and the outcome of these games matter into the decision.
Also, he should fuck over as many SEC teams as aa possible.
He probably made up his mind a long time ago. The rest is him trying to figure out a way to take the LSU job and still coach OM in the playoffs.
Marty Smith looked like he's reading a ransom letter.
This guys agrees
https://x.com/MichaelLKatz/status/1994921971885432834?t=G9lNvcEosu3Q61QTFDUrhg&s=19 (https://x.com/MichaelLKatz/status/1994921971885432834?t=G9lNvcEosu3Q61QTFDUrhg&s=19)
Sounds like he is leaving
https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1994956418890494348?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/andystaples/status/1994958295480639645?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Ole Miss reaching out to agents for Sumrall and Golesh just in case? Or is it because they know. He'd be crazy to leave for Baton Rouge in my opinion, but that's a big opportunity to say no to. You don't hear Ole Miss fans chanting "Suck that Rebel dick, bitch."
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 29, 2025, 09:08 PMOle Miss reaching out to agents for Sumrall and Golesh just in case? Or is it because they know. He'd be crazy to leave for Baton Rouge in my opinion, but that's a big opportunity to say no to. You don't hear Ole Miss fans chanting "Suck that Rebel dick, bitch."
If I were Kiffin, I'd stay at OM. LSU is a meat grinder with not much more upside than what he has at OM, unless he knows the money is going to run out at OM...
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 29, 2025, 11:28 AMIf he loses tonight, it may not be fully his decision to make.
We're close
https://x.com/boardgeniuses/status/1994964443894370381?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Imagine if Bama fired DeBoer if they lose.
If anyone believes a guy named Ross, there is this.
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1994975798995071424?t=8rQ6w7KgKncUDI-BGZr63w&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1994975798995071424?t=8rQ6w7KgKncUDI-BGZr63w&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 29, 2025, 09:54 PMIf anyone believes a guy named Ross, there is this.
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1994975798995071424?t=8rQ6w7KgKncUDI-BGZr63w&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1994975798995071424?t=8rQ6w7KgKncUDI-BGZr63w&s=19)
He is dialed in to LSU, now to the airport!
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 29, 2025, 09:54 PMIf anyone believes a guy named Ross, there is this.
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1994975798995071424?t=8rQ6w7KgKncUDI-BGZr63w&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1994975798995071424?t=8rQ6w7KgKncUDI-BGZr63w&s=19)
Lane just needs to make it to the roof of William Faulkner's house where he can barely make it onto the last copter out of Oxford.
Didn't think of that. OM might riot more than UT did. How good are they at throwing mustard bottles?
I can't imagine giving up on a team you assembled that will make the playoffs to go start the recruiting season for a team that is playing in a weed eater bowl.
I guess money trumps a potential national championship.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 29, 2025, 10:07 PMI can't imagine giving up on a team you assembled that will make the playoffs to go start the recruiting season for a team that is playing in a weed eater bowl.
I guess money trumps a potential national championship.
I think he's legit struggling with this decision and a lot probably has to do with wanting to see this team through. He probably wants to do both. A lot of the drama here was moreso media driven/created vs Lane creating it. I'll fall short of saying g I feel bad for him, other than losing his Dad last year.
I think Lane is waiting to see if Bama wins or not. If they lose, he stays and plays for the SECC. If they win, he leaves.
Agree. It's more the media pressure
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Nov 29, 2025, 10:13 PMI think Lane is waiting to see if Bama wins or not. If they lose, he stays and plays for the SECC. If they win, he leaves.
Why? He is in the playoffs either way. What does the SEC championship game do for him or Ole Miss?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 29, 2025, 10:24 PMWhy? He is in the playoffs either way. What does the SEC championship game do for him or Ole Miss?
Been saying the same. I wouldn't want to play in the SEC championship gsme.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 29, 2025, 10:12 PMI think he's legit struggling with this decision and a lot probably has to do with wanting to see this team through. He probably wants to do both. A lot of the drama here was moreso media driven/created vs Lane creating it. I'll fall short of saying g I feel bad for him, other than losing his Dad last year.
It doesn't make sense to me. He is the head coach of a team that is going to the playoffs. They have a legit shot at playing for a national Championship.
On the field LSU doesn't offer any more than that. Maybe 5 years ago but not today.
It has to be purely about the money.
Yet he's said it's not about money for him but rather about NIL commitment.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 29, 2025, 10:27 PMIt doesn't make sense to me. He is the head coach of a team that is going to the playoffs. They have a legit shot at playing for a national Championship.
On the field LSU doesn't offer any more than that. Maybe 5 years ago but not today.
It has to be purely about the money.
LSU doesn't have to compete with SEC in-state rivals or other teams poaching players from the state. Still have to pay the players, but a better recruiting ground than Mississippi.
Let the circus begin...
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 29, 2025, 10:29 PMYet he's said it's not about money for him but rather about NIL commitment.
Which is crazy considering Ole Miss has put together enough NIL to literally make The playoffs this year. What more do they need to do?
Again, on the field LSU doesn't offer anything more than where Ole Miss finds themselves today.
Bizarre world of you ask me.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 29, 2025, 10:30 PMLSU doesn't have to compete with SEC in-state rivals or other teams poaching players from the state. Still have to pay the players, but a better recruiting ground than Mississippi.
Ole Miss is in the playoffs. LSU isn't. Seems Lane and the program are doing just fine.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 29, 2025, 10:27 PMIt doesn't make sense to me. He is the head coach of a team that is going to the playoffs. They have a legit shot at playing for a national Championship.
On the field LSU doesn't offer any more than that. Maybe 5 years ago but not today.
It has to be purely about the money.
I don't disagree. Doesn't make sense to me either. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but Lane has plenty of money and he's getting paid very well at ole miss and getting good talent. He can do just as well at ole miss as he could at lsu. I just don't buy him having a better chance to win one at lsu than he does at ole miss. He'll, he's the one that built it there. Id want to exhaust those efforts but we've seen him jump around. May be something that's in his DNA and why there's so much media speculation anyway.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 29, 2025, 10:32 PMOle Miss is in the playoffs. LSU isn't. Seems Lane and the program are doing just fine.
Ole Miss is in becuase Lane is their coach. LSU isn't because Lane isn't their coach.
That's the logic, I guess.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 29, 2025, 10:38 PMOle Miss is in becuase Lane is their coach. LSU isn't because Lane isn't their coach.
That's the logic, I guess.
i get it from a LSU perspective. Not so much from a Lane perspective.
Oh well, could be worse. LSU could be faced with hiring Constable Bob as their only option.
https://www.rippeewrites.org/p/what-is-lane-kiffin-chasing
After the 2021 season, the Florida and LSU jobs opened. Kiffin wasn't considered a serious candidate for either vacancy — mostly due to that aforementioned grating personality and checkered past, the very same traits that Ole Miss was willing to deal with — but that doesn't mean Kiffin wasn't interested. He would've crawled across glass for either job, mostly because Kiffin has always viewed himself as better than Ole Miss, despite the Rebels giving him the opportunity and resources to revive his image and career — and yes, I know Arkansas was a suitor for Kiffin in 2021, but look at their administration (Hunter Yurachek, yikes), how it has handled NIL and its schedules over the last six years and tell me with a straight face that Twitter-Man Kiffin would've had the same level of prosperity.
As someone on X said, this is gonna make one helluva 30 for 30.
Kiffin to hold a team meeting tomorrow morning at 9per ESPN.
Lane's announcement set for 9am tomorrow. Jeebus
Imagine someone telling you this story when Kiffen was calling plays for Saban. Unbelievable
He gone
https://x.com/martysmithespn/status/1995001181882536075?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 29, 2025, 10:24 PMWhy? He is in the playoffs either way. What does the SEC championship game do for him or Ole Miss?
OM has never been to the SECCG, without Lane they never will.
Ole Miss can't let him coach in the post season. He would be in charge if two competing SEC teams at the same time.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 29, 2025, 11:44 PMHe gone
https://x.com/martysmithespn/status/1995001181882536075?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
As funny as it would be if he did this just to announce he is staying, it will cost him in the long run. If he wants the bama job, which he does and can't get if he goes to LSU, they will not put up with this.
The good news her may be we can get in on the Charlie Weis Jr sweepstakes once he's shown he is a ball knower as interim.
There's gotta be something seriously wrong with Kiffin mentally.
Auburn going with Durkin?
https://x.com/bmarcello/status/1995114452891361379?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Seems like they could tell the team via group text or something if that was the plan. After last night it might be worth the try.
HY: "Bobby how do you think you'd like working under Durkin"
Bobby: "Oh that would be wonderful"
2 weeks later: "Bobby P introduced as OC at Auburn
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2025, 07:42 AMHY: "Bobby how do you think you'd like working under Durkin"
Bobby: "Oh that would be wonderful"
2 weeks later: "Bobby P introduced as OC at Auburn
Is that supposed to scare anyone at this point? We scored 10 points offensively yesterday and 7 was due to a short field. I hope he ends up there.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Nov 30, 2025, 05:28 AMOM has never been to the SECCG, without Lane they never will.
They are in the playoffs. The SEC championship game is not relevant. For fucks sake.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2025, 07:56 AMThey are in the playoffs. The SEC championship game is not relevant. For fucks sake.
Hell it's preferable to not play in it.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 07:24 AMThere's gotta be something seriously wrong with Kiffin mentally.
I agree.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 07:57 AMHell it's preferable to not play in it.
Exactly.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2025, 07:56 AMThey are in the playoffs. The SEC championship game is not relevant. For fucks sake.
Agreed but it's a small point of pride to some of us that they (and aTm) have never made it to Atlanta.
The better path is obviously to lose once and skip the SECCG to preserve seeding. It's a useless event now since it just takes the top two records as opposed to matching division winners. The game only exists now to provide TV revenue and inventory for the league.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 07:50 AMIs that supposed to scare anyone at this point? We scored 10 points offensively yesterday and 7 was due to a short field. I hope he ends up there.
As long as we score enough in the first half we can be really dangerous
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2025, 08:04 AMAs long as we score enough in the first half we can be really dangerous
Run that second half ball control and rely on your offensive line to control the clock, and your defense to lock down the opposing team.
All we were missing was a strong offensive line and a decent defense.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2025, 08:00 AMAgreed but it's a small point of pride to some of us that they (and aTm) have never made it to Atlanta.
The better path is obviously to lose once and skip the SECCG to preserve seeding. It's a useless event now since it just takes the top two records as opposed to matching division winners. The game only exists now to provide TV revenue and inventory for the league.
agree. My only point is this talk about how Lane can win championships at LSU and not at Ole Miss is retarded. Ole Miss is literally in the playoffs and is just as likely as anyone in the field to make the NC game while LSU is playing in a meaningless bowl.
Now the argument has shifted to Ole Miss will never play for an SEC championship.
Bizarre world.
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2025, 07:42 AMHY: "Bobby how do you think you'd like working under Durkin"
Bobby: "Oh that would be wonderful"
2 weeks later: "Bobby P introduced as OC at Auburn
Would fit nicely with BP's theme of having a phase 2 at many of his former schools.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2025, 08:07 AMagree. My only point is this talk about how Lane can win championships at LSU and not at Ole Miss is retarded. Ole Miss is literally in the playoffs and is just as likely as anyone in the field to make the NC game while LSU is playing in a meaningless bowl.
Now the argument has shifted to Ole Miss will never play for an SEC championship.
Bizarre world.
I'm not sure about Ole Miss being a for sure playoff team right now. The 12-team format might save them but the committee DID leave Florida State out back when they were good because the starting QB was out. What will they do if Ole Miss loses its head coach and the starting QB opts out to stay healthy for the portal window? They definitely deserved their spot, but the committee is pretty much dumb enough to do THE thing.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 08:11 AMI'm not sure about Ole Miss being a for sure playoff team right now. The 12-team format might save them but the committee DID leave Florida State out back when they were good because the starting QB was out. What will they do if Ole Miss loses its head coach and the starting QB opts out to stay healthy for the portal window? They definitely deserved their spot, but the committee is pretty much dumb enough to do THE thing.
Ole Miss with Kiffin as the HC is going to the playoffs.
Kiffin leaving today and Ole Miss being left in the cold by the committee doesn't change that fact.
In every poll Ole Miss is rankled inside the top 8. Hard to fathom they would be left out with Kiffin and the QB still on the team.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 08:11 AMI'm not sure about Ole Miss being a for sure playoff team right now. The 12-team format might save them but the committee DID leave Florida State out back when they were good because the starting QB was out. What will they do if Ole Miss loses its head coach and the starting QB opts out to stay healthy for the portal window? They definitely deserved their spot, but the committee is pretty much dumb enough to do THE thing.
This has been one of the weirder years in the SEC.
I don't mean 2007 weird where everyone is beating everyone else and chaos ensues, but rather that the conference is so lopsided in terms of records and standings.
You have 6 teams at 10+ regular season wins, and 4 of them only have 1 conference loss.
Conversely, you have 6 teams who aren't bowl eligible, which has to be the highest ever. Four of those teams (us, Auburn, State, and SC) have 1 or fewer SEC wins.
Just seems like both the top and bottom of the conference are bloated while there are very few teams in the middle of the pack.
The committee were proven correct leaving FSU out that one year. Georgia gave them a buttfucking they'd never forget and they haven't walked normally since.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 30, 2025, 08:22 AMThe committee were proven correct leaving FSU out that one year. Georgia gave them a buttfucking they'd never forget and they haven't walked normally since.
If Ole Miss loses Kiffen and Chambliss then they should get left out. They are no longer the same team that made it to a top 8 finish in all the major polls.
Leaving OM out of the playoffs at 11-1 is one thing that would get HY fired. He would get crucified.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2025, 08:24 AMIf Ole Miss loses Kiffen and Chambliss then they should get left out. They are no longer the same team that made it to a top 8 finish in all the major polls.
Yet OM fans everywhere are telling Lane to get out. They'll be fine. Delusional bunch.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 30, 2025, 08:22 AMThe committee were proven correct leaving FSU out that one year. Georgia gave them a buttfucking they'd never forget and they haven't walked normally since.
Meh. They were 13-0 and ACC champions for whatever that last part is still worth. They only got left out because of Jordan Travis' career-ending injury, and only after Herbstreit openly lobbied for Alabama to get the 4 spot instead. The rest of the team played all season and earned the right to get buttfucked in the Playoff instead of the Orange Bowl.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 30, 2025, 08:07 AMagree. My only point is this talk about how Lane can win championships at LSU and not at Ole Miss is retarded. Ole Miss is literally in the playoffs and is just as likely as anyone in the field to make the NC game while LSU is playing in a meaningless bowl.
Now the argument has shifted to Ole Miss will never play for an SEC championship.
Bizarre world.
It's not though. He can assemble a roster of portal mercenaries and compete like this year, but his continued success and chance for a championship will always hinge on things like a relatively poor donor base continuing to contribute beyond their means and the group of transfers gelling as a group. Just getting into the playoff offers a team a numeric chance but not necessarily an actual one. Think of it like Mike Anderson's Hog teams getting into March Madness. They technically had a chance, but there was zero realistic shot that they could win six in a row against the best teams in the country over a three week period.
At LSU he can recruit a top five class without ever getting on a plane to go visit a recruit or driving more than two hours from his office. This would be the case if their NIL was practically non-existent due to LSU's status and location. On top of that he can take the NIL they give him and supplement to fill holes or add stars rather than to actually build an offensive or defensive line. Remember that two guys whose mental deficiencies would have qualified them for SSI disability checks have one titles there in the last 18 years, while no one has come close at Ole Miss since black athletes were allowed to play.
Like I said last night, it's not a now or never move. Sure there is some risk staying but negligible. If these coaches don't win big initially there isn't gonna be a long row like there used to be. Good joba will more frequently be open.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1995139557596295218?t=zuKuf179icMDs5GRzjgMJQ&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1995139557596295218?t=zuKuf179icMDs5GRzjgMJQ&s=19)
This is insane. Just make a goddamn decision already, good grief.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 08:41 AMLike I said last night, it's not a now or never move. Sure there is some risk staying but negligible. If these coaches don't win big initially there isn't gonna be a long row like there used to be. Good joba will more frequently be open.
There will always be opportunities as long as Lane keeps winning at unprecedented levels at OM. The only school I think would be a slam dunk for him to leave for is Alabama.
The only risk is if the things I mentioned above materialize. He brings in a portal class the football equivalent of Muss's last team here. The alleged 12,000 fans giving $100 per year realize they can't afford it, and OM reaches the limit of their line of credit for borrowing against future success. Even with that he's probably done enough to have an exit to a better program available to him.
I think he's had consistent enough success that it will sustain a few more years minimum. He has a team capable of winning it this year. He's been a coach at several good schools and this is the closest he's ever come by far. I can't imagine walking away from that. Even at LSU, it may never happen again.
Can you imagine if we hired Kiffin and he was pulling this bs here? Some crazy fucker would try to damage the LSU plane when it arrived.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 09:04 AMCan you imagine if we hired Kiffin and he was pulling this bs here? Some crazy fucker would try to damage the LSU plane when it arrived.
I'm sure we'd realize that we're just a stepping stone program now, and that we'd be mature enough to wish him well...
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 09:04 AMCan you imagine if we hired Kiffin and he was pulling this bs here? Some crazy fucker would try to damage the LSU plane when it arrived.
I know a helluva a lot of people that use to bleed Razorback red that couldn't give a flying fuck about the program now. So no I don't think anyone cares enough to cause harm. I'm basically just here to watch the derailment over and over and over.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 30, 2025, 08:54 AMThis is insane. Just make a goddamn decision already, good grief.
Given Kiffin's personality and antics, I actually think he's staying at Ole Miss and this is just one big troll at this point.
God I hate what college sports is turning into.
https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1995008793105584203
total DB
I'm a fan of the guy but he's got to have some kind of 'tism going on. Maybe a couple of them.
Shit, I'm desperate. Appreciate his time and wish him luck, but I'm letting him coach this team through the playoffs.
One, if he wins a title its great for the program. If he loses, or the interim coach loses, it looks the same. It would also infuriate LSU.
Ole Miss fans are scrambling to acquire a surface to air missile on the black market at this point.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2025, 09:15 AMhttps://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1995008793105584203
total DB
If that is true then they should fire him for cause and move on. Fuck him.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2025, 09:15 AMhttps://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1995008793105584203
total DB
With early signing period beginning next week, I think this Kiffin mess makes Ole Miss a less attractive job. You roster will be decimated and the turmoil may make it harder for you to replace it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC doesn't step in and have a word on this. You can't have one man essentially in charge of two programs at the same time.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2025, 09:24 AMI wouldn't be surprised if the SEC doesn't step in and have a word on this. You can't have on man essentially in charge of two programs at the same time.
Mars says this will lead to permanent contract changes going forward to prevent this nonsense.
I'd let him coach if he wants to...he's your best shot at finishing the season strong and you are still free to go out and hire whoever wants the job. It'll probably attract some good choices. Ole Miss has shown they will get their wallet out...and it sits in a hot bed of talent.
The LSU job is no doubt better but it's also a situation that's not going to put up with bullshit losses like he's had in the past. Same goes for Auburn...anyone that takes that job is going to be held to a high standard. They could go 0-12 and the next season demand pissing of excellence.
It flies all over me the teams that have had "horrible seasons" like OU that's like 10-2...man we sure are a long ways away from disappointment.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2025, 09:22 AMWith early signing period beginning next week, I think this Kiffin mess makes Ole Miss a less attractive job. You roster will be decimated and the turmoil may make it harder for you to replace it.
Still coming off an 11+ win season with plenty of NIL. It's arguably the 3rd best job alongside AU (hard to believe). If Golesh picked us over OM (if open), I'd question his decision making before he ever put on a hat.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2025, 09:24 AMI wouldn't be surprised if the SEC doesn't step in and have a word on this. You can't have one man essentially in charge of two programs at the same time.
He has college football by the balls. It's amazing.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 09:25 AMMars says this will lead to permanent contract changes going forward to prevent this nonsense.
No coach who has the stroke Kiffin has now would sign such an agreement.
I agree with TWB that the Birmingham crime syndicate may step in here.
Those of you who think OM should let Kiffin coach them in the playoffs while working for LSU have no idea of the hatred OM people have for LSU. They see themselves Egg Bowl as a fun rivalry with a lesser school. Most OM fans would be only mildly offended if Iran dropped a nuke over Baton Rouge.
Yeah but OM fans are delusional idiots. Gotta account for that.
In addition to Arkansas taking a mulligan on football as a whole, this is precisely why I have really started to hate college football and have gravitated more to the NFL the last few years.
There's zero governance over player and coach contracts. It's absolute lawlessness and chaos.
For all its faults in terms of administration, the NFL at least has the concept of enforceable contracts, compensation and tampering rules, and a collective agreements.
Brian Schottenheimer can't simply go to Jerry Jones and say "I exceeded expectations this year so give me more money or I'm going to the Falcons." Pickens can't opt out of the last few games to rest up for his next contract. A coach or coordinator can't dynamite a playoff run because of the coaching circuit.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 09:34 AMYeah but OM fans are delusional idiots. Gotta account for that.
It's very similar to our "rivalry" with Texas.
There's no way that if I'm OM or even LSU I want to let him stay and finish at OM. There's just too much risk for something to go wrong for me.
What a thin skinned little bitch
https://x.com/SpiritBen/status/1995138704206340356
Well, I fully expect one helluva SEC Shorts this week. Bar is gonna be high.
Well, since my team sucks, I'm taking great delight in all this mess.
They're gonna lock the doors and tell Lane to GTFO
https://x.com/NealMcCready/status/1995150211916956032
Be careful what you believe from McCready.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 09:58 AMBe careful what you believe from McCready.
Ah, thanks.
Who the hell will OM or LSU hire?? The loser for Kiffen has to be shitting bricks.
yeah, it looks like ole miss is fucked.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 10:28 AMWho the hell will OM or LSU hire?? The loser for Kiffen has to be shitting bricks.
Wait for it... Bobby Petrino. To complete the most Arkansas thing ever.
Watch them hire Mullen O0
so i guess that 10:00am deadline wasn't a dead line.
Moved to 1pm
https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1994998272222793746?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
lol
Kiffin may not be at the Ole Miss team meeting.
he's threatening to put players and staff on the plane with him if he's not allowed to coach the playoffs per mcmurphy. ole miss looking at taking legal action.
like i said, he better win a nc at lsu because teams are going to stay the fuck away from the guy moving forward.
This is why I think he may have some kind of 'tism going on. Why can't he just let himself be celebrated for taking Ole Miss to the CFP? Instead he's got to try burning down the program he built on his way out the door.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 11:56 AMThis is why I think he may have some kind of 'tism going on. Why can't he just let himself be celebrated for taking Ole Miss to the CFP? Instead he's got to try burning down the program he built on his way out the door.
Why can't he just stay where he is?
Maybe he is drinking again. No one can be this much of an attention whore, can they?
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1995177866170896808
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 30, 2025, 11:57 AMWhy can't he just stay where he is?
Maybe he is drinking again. No one can be this much of an attention whore, can they?
I mean, he has done a great job building Ole Miss into what it is but that probably took a lot of effort just to make them a CFP team. LSU is seen, at least by him, as a place where he could get to the CFP with a lot less work and with a lot better chance of having the roster on both sides of the ball to actually compete against the likes of Georgia and Ohio State in the late rounds.
Right now there are Tennessee fans screaming "I told you so!" and Ole Miss fans saying "We apologize for not listening."
Don't take the good things you have for granted. You're not guaranteed another chance. This feels like a karma situation.
LSU is absolutely embracing it's villain arc. College football fans everywhere are collectively hoping and waiting for the crash and burn.
All he had to do was quietly get on a plane this morning and leave, then have his introductory presser this evening. But nope, he's managed to bumble fuck this up in the worst way possible.
He's still the best thing that has ever happed to Ole Miss. I see Keith Carter and his stupid knee high socks fucking this up. Lane was under contract. He should be able to make his decision whenever he wants. He was forced into this my a butt hurt Ole Miss. coaches get fired all the time, he should not be chastised for wanting to just finish the season and playoffs then announce his decision to leave. They have now guaranteed a poor playoff showing. Congrats. Fuck ole miss. Fuck LSU too in general.
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but he's not making his decision at the end of the season. he's already made it and wants it both ways.
I don't see any fault with the ad.
Quote from: aaron on Nov 30, 2025, 12:09 PMHe's still the best thing that has ever happed to Ole Miss. I see Keith Carter and his stupid knee high socks fucking this up. Lane was under contract. He should be able to make his decision whenever he wants. He was forced into this my a butt hurt Ole Miss. coaches get fired all the time, he should not be chastised for wanting to just finish the season and playoffs then announce his decision to leave. They have now guaranteed a poor playoff showing. Congrats. Fuck ole miss. Fuck LSU too in general.
No. You don't let a guy who is leaving for a conference foe stick around after he's made his intentions to leave, known. Thanks for the wins, now GTFO so we can start the process of hiring a new coach. Early singing period opens Wednesday.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 12:15 PMEarly singing period opens Wednesday.
and we have the Silverfield presser scheduled for Thurs?
I think Lane has let this attention and power go to his head. I hope he goes to LSU and shits the bed for the next 2 years.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 30, 2025, 12:22 PMand we have the Silverfield presser scheduled for Thurs?
Correct. Meanwhile everyone else is making their formal announcements today or tomorrow.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 12:26 PMCorrect. Meanwhile everyone else is making their formal announcements today or tomorrow.
We aren't expecting to sign anyone. We will take the table scraps and like it!
lsu will have a presser tomorrow to announce kiffin. golding will be the coach in the playoffs.
They expanded the playoffs and there are still going to be teams bitching and left out.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2025, 12:28 PMWe aren't expecting to sign anyone. We will take the table scraps and like it!
We're the leftover catfish filets of the SEC.
All this Kiffin theatrics bullshit reminds me of the Conan-Leno situation with the Tonight Show, and Letterman saying "this is vintage Jay, this is who he's always been."
This is who Lane Kiffin is and always has been.
He'll 100% jerk LSU around when DeBoer inevitably leaves Bama and their job comes open.
Nobody taking about Penn State or Chesney. Does he end up there?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 30, 2025, 12:26 PMI think Lane has let this attention and power go to his head. I hope he goes to LSU and shits the bed for the next 2 years.
i hope he goes and his staff says fuck you and quits him. Giving them that sorta short notice and to decide what their careers will be in a day is retarded
Quote from: BASS on Nov 30, 2025, 12:49 PMNobody taking about Penn State or Chesney. Does he end up there?
The general consensus is he's going to UCLA. So I question his judgment skills too.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 30, 2025, 12:53 PMThe general consensus is he's going to UCLA. So I question his judgment skills too.
What a weird fit.
The guy is from PA and has coached his entire life in the Northeast and the Beltway, and suddenly he's going to LA?
Quote from: HTL on Nov 30, 2025, 07:57 AMHell it's preferable to not play in it.
We're doing a fine job of not playing in it lately.
Heupel to Penn State? Lol what a show that would be.
that kiffin deadline is moving more than a stripper's ass. it's become some farcical tragedy.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2025, 01:01 PMWhat a weird fit.
The guy is from PA and has coached his entire life in the Northeast and the Beltway, and suddenly he's going to LA?
maybe he wants to go to a place where he can watch the world burn
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 12:15 PMNo. You don't let a guy who is leaving for a conference foe stick around after he's made his intentions to leave, known. Thanks for the wins, now GTFO so we can start the process of hiring a new coach. Early singing period opens Wednesday.
Keith Carter forced it. Lane was just doing his job and keeping his mouth shut. Ole miss forced a new contract being signed, or announce for LSU. Lane didn't want to make anything known until after the playoffs.
Quote from: aaron on Nov 30, 2025, 01:24 PMKeith Carter forced it. Lane was just doing his job and keeping his mouth shut. Ole miss forced a new contract being signed, or announce for LSU. Lane didn't want to make anything known until after the playoffs.
Well, what is Carter's job if not to protect the program and be in position to hire someone else?
the kiffin stuff started as soon as kelley was fired. there was zero chance that his possibly going to lsu would have just been kept quiet.
This guy hosts an Ole Miss podcast, no idea if he is legit. The people in the comments aren't flaming him so maybe he's close to the situation.
https://x.com/michaelborkey/status/1995155379517534564?s=46&t=kisRHQ-BH2YlHJQ0hr0_Kg
Leadership council?
Quote from: aaron on Nov 30, 2025, 01:24 PMKeith Carter forced it. Lane was just doing his job and keeping his mouth shut. Ole miss forced a new contract being signed, or announce for LSU. Lane didn't want to make anything known until after the playoffs.
On what planet is that acceptable?
Coaching searches done AFTER the bowl season traditionally... not so good
Lane's already left OM behind the 8 ball
The early signing period and portal entry has compounded the issue.
Quote from: aaron on Nov 30, 2025, 01:24 PMKeith Carter forced it. Lane was just doing his job and keeping his mouth shut. Ole miss forced a new contract being signed, or announce for LSU. Lane didn't want to make anything known until after the playoffs.
Of course he forced it, and rightly so. Once the AD realized he's going to LSU, a conference rival, it's time to turn in the keys and GTFO.
There's no swan song, say your goodbyes, and coach the last few games. The school now needs to focus on moving forward without him NOW, with early signing in 3 days, not in a couple of weeks when Kiffin decides on his terms when it's time to go.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 01:33 PMOn what planet is that acceptable?
Coaching searches done AFTER the bowl season traditionally... not so good
Lane's already left OM behind the 8 ball
Any chance they had at a title is now gone. The players and staff will completely turn over. How is letting him coach his team a risk? Again, lane had no obligation to tell anyone anything. Carter forced this. For what? To save some face? Good luck preparing for the playoffs and winning a game now.
Guy in the comments nailed it..
When you started dating the hot but noticeably crazy chic back 5 years ago, you knew there'd be an ugly break up one day...but man, it was fun...til it wasn't.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 01:45 PMGuy in the comments nailed it..
When you started dating the hot but noticeably crazy chic back 5 years ago, you knew there'd be an ugly break up one day...but man, it was fun...til it wasn't.
Yup, and we all knew 5 years ago that if we got Kiffin it would be a lot of fun until it wasn't, and it wouldn't end well.
Quote from: aaron on Nov 30, 2025, 01:40 PMAny chance they had at a title is now gone. The players and staff will completely turn over. How is letting him coach his team a risk? Again, lane had no obligation to tell anyone anything. Carter forced this. For what? To save some face? Good luck preparing for the playoffs and winning a game now.
You think they win a title with everyone thinking their coach is leaving as soon as they lose?
Team, staff, etc were going to fall apart. Come on now...
Quote from: aaron on Nov 30, 2025, 01:40 PMAny chance they had at a title is now gone. The players and staff will completely turn over. How is letting him coach his team a risk? Again, lane had no obligation to tell anyone anything. Carter forced this. For what? To save some face? Good luck preparing for the playoffs and winning a game now.
I'm with you.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 01:47 PMYou think they win a title with everyone thinking their coach is leaving as soon as they lose?
Team, staff, etc were going to fall apart. Come on now...
Maybe, maybe not, but I'd like my chances with Kiffen coaching that team over anyone else.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 01:46 PMYup, and we all knew 5 years ago that if we got Kiffin it would be a lot of fun until it wasn't, and it wouldn't end well.
Even given that, everyone of us would still trade places with them in a heartbeat.
-Captain Obvious
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 01:50 PMEven given that, everyone of us would still trade places with them in a heartbeat.
Wouldn't blink twice.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 01:49 PMMaybe, maybe not, but I'd like my chances with Kiffen coaching that team over anyone else.
Maybe. But if he's leaving are you going to trade a better chance for a win or two now for missing the opportunity to replace him and costing you 4-5 years moving forward?
After the playoffs most coaching targets have either moved to a new school or have signed extensions and are for all intents and purposes off the market.
I don't know, I think Lane is the one that looks bad here.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 01:49 PMMaybe, maybe not, but I'd like my chances with Kiffen coaching that team over anyone else.
And it's not a given that you win a single game in the playoffs, while you missed any jump on early signing, and watching next year's class fall apart over the coming weeks, AND probably losing a good deal of any goodwill you had as AD with the fanbase for letting that shit show continue.
Carter played the best hand he could from the cards Kiffin dealt him, and Kiffin is the one making this WAY messier than it had to be.
Mich State fires their coach and looking hard at Pat Fitzgerald
I think this would be a solid hire for them
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 01:53 PMMaybe. But if he's leaving are you going to trade a better chance for a win or two now for missing the opportunity to replace him and costing you 4-5 years moving forward?
After the playoffs most coaching targets have either moved to a new school or have signed extensions and are for all intents and purposes off the market.
I don't know, I think Lane is the one that looks bad here.
You can still hire a coach if he coaches the season through. Just like when coaches would be fired and coached through a bowl game back in the day.
What's the harm if he coached and lost? Program is still 11-1 and in the playoff. But what if he coaches and they win it all. That is a huge benefit for the coach coming in.
To me reward > risk.
Kiffin has a total lack of empathy. He's not a narcissist. It is almost like he's on the spectrum and...oh, shiny new object...must play with.
LSU will learn this when the Bama job comes open in a couple of years. Heck, they may learn it in the next couple of weeks.
It would be so Kiffin to ditch LSU if DeBoer bounces to Pedo State.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 01:56 PMAnd it's not a given that you win a single game in the playoffs, while you missed any jump on early signing, and watching next year's class fall apart over the coming weeks, AND probably losing a good deal of any goodwill you had as AD with the fanbase for letting that shit show continue.
Carter played the best hand he could from the cards Kiffin dealt him, and Kiffin is the one making this WAY messier than it had to be.
100%.
They weren't winning a title and Carter knows it. No sense in letting the head coach of the school you hate the most have access to all your recruits and current players to try to take them with you.
https://x.com/MartySmithESPN/status/1995212621830824213?t=gl4-wLurtqOSOy3JvCv1PQ&s=19 (https://x.com/MartySmithESPN/status/1995212621830824213?t=gl4-wLurtqOSOy3JvCv1PQ&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 01:58 PMYou can still hire a coach if he coaches the season through. Just like when coaches would be fired and coached through a bowl game back in the day.
What's the harm if he coached and lost? Program is still 11-1 and in the playoff. But what if he coaches and they win it all. That is a huge benefit for the coach coming in.
To me reward > risk.
If this was the way to play it, Kiffin needed to tell LSU up front that he was the Ole Miss coach through the end of the year and that if they wanted to talk to them he'd be available after their last game. He could have coached, kept both programs in limbo, and still ended up with the job he wanted with minimal fallout.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 02:03 PMhttps://x.com/MartySmithESPN/status/1995212621830824213?t=gl4-wLurtqOSOy3JvCv1PQ&s=19 (https://x.com/MartySmithESPN/status/1995212621830824213?t=gl4-wLurtqOSOy3JvCv1PQ&s=19)
ole miss could be beginning their slide back to irrelevance.
Amazed at how much the UF job seems to have declined as I would've viewed it as better than LSU or at least equivalent for quite some time.
Not sure that I'm convinced UF made a better hire than we did
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1995218726048948474?t=_2MlYsb_bUsZeHTuPDxgTQ&s=19 (https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1995218726048948474?t=_2MlYsb_bUsZeHTuPDxgTQ&s=19)
WOW... not sure about that
Quote from: RPL on Nov 30, 2025, 01:58 PMKiffin has a total lack of empathy. He's not a narcissist. It is almost like he's on the spectrum and...oh, shiny new object...must play with.
LSU will learn this when the Bama job comes open in a couple of years. Heck, they may learn it in the next couple of weeks.
It would be so Kiffin to ditch LSU if DeBoer bounces to Pedo State.
Said this exact same thing earlier today.
Kiffin will 100% jerk LSU around when the Bama job comes open, be it in a few weeks or years.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 02:08 PMWOW... not sure about that
who else is left realistically?
sure dude
https://x.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1995222184814391772
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 02:07 PMAmazed at how much the UF job seems to have declined as I would've viewed it as better than LSU or at least equivalent for quite some time.
Not sure that I'm convinced UF made a better hire than we did
Agreed.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2025, 02:10 PMwho else is left realistically?
Valid, it's getting to be slim pickings.
He was DC at Bama for a few years. No HC experience.
Is he a good DC?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2025, 02:04 PMIf this was the way to play it, Kiffin needed to tell LSU up front that he was the Ole Miss coach through the end of the year and that if they wanted to talk to them he'd be available after their last game. He could have coached, kept both programs in limbo, and still ended up with the job he wanted with minimal fallout.
Yep, it's not realistic to expect LSU to wait without at least some assurance.
And it's not realistic for Ole Miss to not be able to move on.
It's back to what Saban said initially, the calendar needs to be changed. He said it should match the school calendar, but with the season now extended to 15-16 games, how does that happen?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 30, 2025, 02:20 PMValid, it's getting to be slim pickings.
He was DC at Bama for a few years. No HC experience.
Is he a good DC?
Bama fans hated the shit out of him and celebrated in the streets when he left for Ole Miss.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2025, 02:15 PMsure dude
https://x.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1995222184814391772
Lane kiffen and burning bridges on his way out.
More things change, more they stay the same.
Is that Mary Kate Cornett?
https://x.com/rebs_lover/status/1995204965267292318?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2025, 02:04 PMIf this was the way to play it, Kiffin needed to tell LSU up front that he was the Ole Miss coach through the end of the year and that if they wanted to talk to them he'd be available after their last game. He could have coached, kept both programs in limbo, and still ended up with the job he wanted with minimal fallout.
I obviously have no insider knowledge, but I believe that was exactly the plan. It was said 2 weeks ago that Keith Carter was giving the ultimatum to sign an extension, or leave after the egg bowl. That's it. I get that Keith has a duty to the school. I think Lane was done dirty and it's easy for everyone to attack him due to his rep. We all knew this would end ugly and I hope it ends ugly in LsU too. Fuck all of em.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2025, 02:15 PMsure dude
https://x.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/1995222184814391772
he must be incredibly stupid if he thought ole miss would just let him keep coaching despite holding out till the last minute to let them know he's running to LSU. Sorry
I said in another thread that he seemed to have a little retard in him. Watch his interviews after a game with the sideline reporter. His can't quit moving his right hand. He uses it for emphasis after nearly every sentence. And he just talks weird to me.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 30, 2025, 02:25 PMLane kiffen and burning bridges on his way out.
More things change, more they stay the same.
"Finally they hate someone more than me!"
-Tommy Tubberville probably
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 30, 2025, 02:25 PMLane kiffen and burning bridges on his way out.
More things change, more they stay the same.
This is who he is.
Twitter theatrics, immature bullshit, and textbook narcissism.
Al Davis held a press conference to tell everyone what a piece of shit Kiffin was. Leaves Tennessee in the middle of the night. Hated at USC and fired on the tarmac. Fired by Saban on the eve of a National Championship game for being completely disinterested and focused on FAU.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 01:17 PMHeupel to Penn State? Lol what a show that would be.
I heard this as well. Double edge sword, Heup may be thinking he needs a new start, I'm ok with him staying but some big changes need to happen starting with the DC. He got TN out of the 20 year ditch, which 👏for that. We had a chance at beating GA but the other 3 L's weren't close.
Meanwhile: https://x.com/on3sports/status/1995177866170896808?s=42
Quote from: mr.zorak on Nov 30, 2025, 02:43 PMI heard this as well. Double edge sword, Heup may be thinking he needs a new start, I'm ok with him staying but some big changes need to happen starting with the DC. He got TN out of the 20 year ditch, which 👏for that. We had a chance at beating GA but the other 3 L's weren't close.
Meanwhile: https://x.com/on3sports/status/1995177866170896808?s=42
Being reported on OM boards that Kiffins brother is the only one who got on the plane with him.
yep, supposedly the offensive staff got a huge raise for staying.
LSU is gonna give $13 million a year to guy whose biggest career win is a road win this year over the same team their interim coach almost and should have beat yesterday.
Brilliant!
Kiffin is just a younger and social media savvy version of Brian Kelly.
🐯 Brian Kelly at LSU Tigers
• As head coach at LSU, Kelly's record vs ranked (Top-25) opponents: 5–10. �
• That includes a notably poor performance in key games including multiple losses to ranked teams. �
So roughly 33% win rate vs top-25 under Kelly at LSU.
⸻
🐍 Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss Rebels
• According to a recent breakdown, Kiffin's career head-coaching record vs ranked teams (across all his jobs, including Ole Miss) is 13–25. �
• The overall win rate there is about 34%.
Because the 13-25 record covers all his stops (not only Ole Miss), it doesn't exactly represent just his record at Ole Miss against top-25 teams — but most of those 13–25 games come from his time with the Rebels.
They had to choose between being known as Lane Kiffin's offensive staff or being known as good play callers etc on their own.
Why didn't kiffin just stay put? Looks like he's fucked now and do they even have money leftover for NIL? Who's gonna come now and help him?
lol
https://x.com/weigelsstores/status/1994822633918226686?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/weigelsstores/status/1995205001711702238?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 02:46 PMBeing reported on OM boards that Kiffins brother is the only one who got on the plane with him.
Let's poach the OM coaches.
:maundoed:
https://x.com/PortalHouseDoor/status/1995162592034300327?t=YsGNjvKOAqWx6Ome4-LX6Q&s=19 (https://x.com/PortalHouseDoor/status/1995162592034300327?t=YsGNjvKOAqWx6Ome4-LX6Q&s=19)
Michigan state has hired pat fitzgerald
Golding replaces Kiffin in Oxford.
Hires made in hours.
https://x.com/espnmcgee/status/1995178568465158218
:D
Baz sounding off on how this went down. Can't really argue with him here.
https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19 (https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19)
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2025, 03:29 PMMichigan state has hired pat fitzgerald
Golding replaces Kiffin in Oxford.
Hires made in hours.
Really good hire by MSU.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 03:35 PMBaz sounding off on how this went down. Can't really argue with him here.
https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19 (https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19)
that's really embarrassing
https://www.instagram.com/p/DRsN1BvD2C8/?igsh=MW81d3BmMzYzdGpyaA==
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 03:35 PMBaz sounding off on how this went down. Can't really argue with him here.
https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19 (https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19)
Well at least he has the pigeon toed walk of an athlete. Not sure that that translates into any wins in Fayetteville.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 03:35 PMBaz sounding off on how this went down. Can't really argue with him here.
https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19 (https://x.com/DavidBazzel/status/1995236114089857454?t=BcsZDKODNSoLiTSAGlEG1w&s=19)
Because he wasn't plan A, b, or c so HY is scrambling
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2025, 03:39 PMWell at least he has the pigeon toed walk of an athlete. Not sure that that translates into any wins in Fayetteville.
He is probably just glad to have he and his family out of Memphis.
Baz seems to be on an anti-HY path of late.
Now UK is looking to potentially move on from Stoops? If so, they fucked up by not moving more quickly in order to land Sumrall.
https://x.com/andystaples/status/1995216699709424023?s=46 (https://x.com/andystaples/status/1995216699709424023?s=46)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 03:42 PMBaz seems to be on an anti-HY path of late.
Baz's honesty and candor is actually pretty refreshing.
He definitely is assuming the mantle of former player from a better/bygone era pissed off at the state of the program and those who've run it into the ground.
I gained a lot of respect for him after he grilled Yurachek at the LRTD earlier this season.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRn4CCYDXsN/?igsh=dzNsamJ4eGppODhy
Late to post but interesting
I'm trying to feel bad for Ole Piss but....nah...fuck all that. Laney a hoe and hoes do hoe shit. Enjoy yo hoe, corndawgs.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 30, 2025, 03:50 PMNow UK is looking to potentially move on from Stoops? If so, they fucked up by not moving more quickly in order to land Sumrall.
https://x.com/andystaples/status/1995216699709424023?s=46 (https://x.com/andystaples/status/1995216699709424023?s=46)
Why would you walk away from 37 million?
ESPN grades coaching hires thus far. Spoiler alert, we got a B.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47002863/grading-2025-college-football-head-coaching-hires (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47002863/grading-2025-college-football-head-coaching-hires)
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Nov 30, 2025, 04:09 PMI'm trying to feel bad for Ole Piss but....nah...fuck all that. Laney a hoe and hoes do hoe shit. Enjoy yo hoe, corndawgs.
Wut? I'll take the hoe that gets us 3 out of 5 years of 10+ wins, and leaves a hundy on the nightstand all day long.
Meanwhile we're supposed to be a SEC program who just hired a guy who lost every game in November.
Quote from: TC on Nov 30, 2025, 04:14 PMWut? I'll take the hoe that gets us 3 out of 5 years of 10+ wins, and leaves a hundy on the nightstand all day long.
Meanwhile we're supposed to be a SEC program who just hired a guy who lost every game in November.
Until he leaves for Bama or tries the NFL again. He's a Freebird.
This absolute chaos in college football is awesome.
I 100% believe this. Golesh has no idea what he's getting into...
https://x.com/mikegittens/status/1995195704277680606?s=46 (https://x.com/mikegittens/status/1995195704277680606?s=46)
The only silver lining today is that no one in the SEC who was coach shopping seems overjoyed.
Even LSU, who seemingly won the sweepstakes, is exhausted with Kiffin and he hasn't even started.
Florida and Auburn hired up-and-comers that have holes in their resumes. Ole Miss panicked and promoted a DC that fans at both Ole Miss and Bama were annoyed (or worse) with.
It just sucks that we hired the worst of a pretty subpar bunch of available coaches.
how does anyone know we got the worst of the bunch? statistically it's not true. silverfied had four p4 wins in his time at memphis, golesh 2, morris 1, sumrall 0.
he also has 50 wins in the last 3 years vs sumrall's 41 (4 years, troy and tulane), golesh's 23, morris 22.
https://x.com/jtalty/status/1995248379140403352?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 30, 2025, 05:21 PMhttps://x.com/jtalty/status/1995248379140403352?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
Yikes.
Ole Miss fans are not handling this well. It's one thing to start airing rumors of lane banging sorority chicks but they've brought his daughter into it now. Sadly no one has produced the tape they claim exists.
The SEC. Where fans will drive to the airport just to tell a departing coach to go fuck himself.
Has he ever had an IQ test? I don't think he's on the spectrum, I think he's just dumb.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 05:39 PMOle Miss fans are not handling this well. It's one thing to start airing rumors of lane banging sorority chicks but they've brought his daughter into it now. Sadly no one has produced the tape they claim exists.
wait I missed this. What's the rumor
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 30, 2025, 05:02 PMThe only silver lining today is that no one in the SEC who was coach shopping seems overjoyed.
Even LSU, who seemingly won the sweepstakes, is exhausted with Kiffin and he hasn't even started.
Florida and Auburn hired up-and-comers that have holes in their resumes. Ole Miss panicked and promoted a DC that fans at both Ole Miss and Bama were annoyed (or worse) with.
It just sucks that we hired the worst of a pretty subpar bunch of available coaches.
Some LSU fans probably realize that somehow, sometime, Lane will burn them as he has everywhere.
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 30, 2025, 05:42 PMThe SEC. Where fans will drive to the airport just to tell a departing coach to go fuck himself.
:maundoed:
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 30, 2025, 05:57 PMwait I missed this. What's the rumor
Saw one pic of his daughter sitting on the lap of an OM player. Rumor was that was the reason the kid never saw the field. I expect OM to hold nothing back. They're idiots.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 06:19 PMSaw one pic of his daughter sitting on the lap of an OM player. Rumor was that was the reason the kid never saw the field. I expect OM to hold nothing back. They're idiots.
There have been rumors that she made a sex tape with that guy and Lane found out, and benched the player. Rumors about her getting knocked up by the LSU guy and having another (yes, it's not the first one rumored) abortion. I'm not a fan of bringing the kids into it, even if she is a college student now. Then again, Lane hasn't done anything to exactly protect her.
The ones about Lane, though... this guy is just one posting alleged receipts. Apparently he went after Mary Kate Cornett after she cucked her own boyfriend with her boyfriend's dad, or however that went down.
https://x.com/pigshitsonballs/status/1995270856281595927?s=20
Kentucky really looked around and decided they wanted to try to find a new coach right now?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 06:49 PMKentucky really looked around and decided they wanted to try to find a new coach right now?
Yeah, this would be an insane move by Kentucky.
I get they're fed up with Stoops, but this is not the coaching cycle you want to be jumping into.
just save the money, fire him after a couple of games next season and get the jump on everyone else. oh wait.
At this point, everyone in the SEC that hired a new coach is uncomfortable. Maybe we will be the only one that derped its way to a decent one. One of them has to work out.
Florida ain't what it used to to be
Auburn has gone full schizo the last decade
If KIffin detonates at LSU, they will be stuck with another massive buyout
Arkansas is stupid.
Ole Miss is staring down irrelevance again
Kentucky Basketball has started so who cares about football?
Who will win this coaching cycle?
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 30, 2025, 05:42 PMThe SEC. Where fans will drive to the airport just to tell a departing coach to go fuck himself.
And people say WE are the crazy fanbase. The whole SEC is a rabid, ridiculous fanbase.
Franklin was the best available option by a landslide and it's not a slam dunk he will do well at VT. From there it's a crapshoot.
I think a lot of us feel the same way.
Silverfield being hired isn't the real issue. Fans can feel that nothing is changing. We're not stupid (well some of us aren't stupid)...we see that there's a problem. You see that there's a problem. We all see the problem (LEADERSHIP AND VISION) hell many outsiders have even put together a fairly comprehensive reasons why. The leadership continues to cling to the old doctrine offering nothing new...completely tone deaf. They are bringing a knife to a space laser fight at this point. We might as well have a bunch of Paw Paw people still in charge.
Quote from: RPL on Nov 30, 2025, 01:58 PMKiffin has a total lack of empathy. He's not a narcissist. It is almost like he's on the spectrum and...oh, shiny new object...must play with.
LSU will learn this when the Bama job comes open in a couple of years. Heck, they may learn it in the next couple of weeks.
It would be so Kiffin to ditch LSU if DeBoer bounces to Pedo State.
He is absolutely on the spectrum. My Ole Miss buddy,(whom you've met) who has a psych masters and is close to folks in that program, has told me this a number of times.
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 30, 2025, 05:42 PMThe SEC. Where fans will drive to the airport just to tell a departing coach to go fuck himself.
It just means more!
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1995325672990908504
wonder what sumrall is thinking. will stein is one of the names that are being mentioned along with brian hartline.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 30, 2025, 06:23 PMThere have been rumors that she made a sex tape with that guy and Lane found out, and benched the player. Rumors about her getting knocked up by the LSU guy and having another (yes, it's not the first one rumored) abortion. I'm not a fan of bringing the kids into it, even if she is a college student now. Then again, Lane hasn't done anything to exactly protect her.
The ones about Lane, though... this guy is just one posting alleged receipts. Apparently he went after Mary Kate Cornett after she cucked her own boyfriend with her boyfriend's dad, or however that went down.
https://x.com/pigshitsonballs/status/1995270856281595927?s=20
Yeah, that's folks making up shit. Not knocking you, you're just filling everyone in on the rumors.
Good friends of ours, their daughter cheers at OM and is roommates with Kiffin's daughter. I was over at that house for the Hogs game there in September.
I jokingly texted her dad a little while ago asking if Lane evicted her on his way out of town.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2025, 09:06 PMhttps://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1995325672990908504
wonder what sumrall is thinking. will stein is one of the names that are being mentioned along with brian hartline.
UK
really fucked up by not doing this yesterday. They could have had Sumrall.
KY Jelly is gonna shitcan Stoops and go hire Oregon's OC.
https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1995329451022745801?s=20
Quote from: animal on Nov 30, 2025, 08:39 PMI think a lot of us feel the same way.
Silverfield being hired isn't the real issue. Fans can feel that nothing is changing. We're not stupid (well some of us aren't stupid)...we see that there's a problem. You see that there's a problem. We all see the problem (LEADERSHIP AND VISION) hell many outsiders have even put together a fairly comprehensive reasons why. The leadership continues to cling to the old doctrine offering nothing new...completely tone deaf. They are bringing a knife to a space laser fight at this point. We might as well have a bunch of Paw Paw people still in charge.
Pretty much this right here.
I'm not impressed by the hire, but I think he's probably better (for Arkansas) than Golesh based on the styles of offense(s) and resume. But then, I wasn't impressed with basically any of the mentioned names. I was warming to Chesney a bit. I stand by the thought that keeping Petrino for a couple of years and then going for a new coach would yield better long term results. That said, I'm in wait and see mode with Silverfield. I'll wait and see what kind of staff he brings in before I throw in with the dark siders. IF I can even summon enough fucks to manage even that.
a couple of thoughts.
the sec as a whole could be really down next year with all these g5 guys getting their feet wet in the conference.
the "keeds" get bagged on so much for getting paid, i wonder how much they have gotten since 2022 when nil found it's stride compared to how much failed coaches have been paid to sit at home.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2025, 07:28 PMFranklin was the best available option by a landslide and it's not a slam dunk he will do well at VT. From there it's a crapshoot.
I don't get the Franklin love. He failed in a place he had every advantage. It was clear he wanted nothing to do with the SEC. Pussy. He stayed where he had some recruiting traction. But he's old school, hates the current biz of the game.
I would like to see a list of all the agents of the old coaches and new ones. Supposedly Golesh and Sumrall have the same agent; so he moved one away from Auburn to load in another. I don't think it's sexton.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 30, 2025, 09:26 PMI would like to see a list of all the agents of the old coaches and new ones. Supposedly Golesh and Sumrall have the same agent; so he moved one away from Auburn to load in another. I don't think it's sexton.
I believe Clint Dowdle reps both.
Hard to believe Fortnite was first to break the Lane to LSU news
https://x.com/boardgeniuses/status/1993413401612275904?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
What went wrong with Stoops at KY? He was generally considered one of the top coaches in the SEC just a few years ago. Is it all NIL related?
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 30, 2025, 09:16 PMa couple of thoughts.
the sec as a whole could be really down next year with all these g5 guys getting their feet wet in the conference.
the "keeds" get bagged on so much for getting paid, i wonder how much they have gotten since 2022 when nil found it's stride compared to how much failed coaches have been paid to sit at home.
Will definitely be interesting to watch these guys break in.
Our schedule is a murderers row (because of course it is) while Auburn's and Florida's set up nicely for a decent years by Golesh and Sumrall.
Damn
https://x.com/daily_hoosier/status/1995161962368606529?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
I was wondering why Riley's name isn't in the mix more with some of these big openings.
Turns out he's scaring the heck out of 11.5 per year. No one in the SEC is gonna touch that right now unless you're LSU.
The winner today is Ole Miss. Hire from within when your idiot savant foosball coach decides to get on that plane, and just keep rolling. They shocked everyone by naming the interim the permanent immediately. Great move!
That's what Hunter shouldve done when he saw the Penn St, Florida, Auburn, and LSU jobs all opening at the same time.
Instead he had 2 months and hired the Memphis coach, who btw won the same amount of games in November as Petrino.
Quote from: TC on Dec 01, 2025, 01:08 AMThe winner today is Ole Miss. Hire from within when your idiot savant foosball coach decides to get on that plane, and just keep rolling. They shocked everyone by naming the interim the permanent immediately. Great move!
That's what Hunter shouldve done when he saw the Penn St, Florida, Auburn, and LSU jobs all opening at the same time.
Instead he had 2 months and hired the Memphis coach, who btw won the same amount of games in November as Petrino.
That's certainly a take.
Quote from: TC on Dec 01, 2025, 01:08 AMThe winner today is Ole Miss. Hire from within when your idiot savant foosball coach decides to get on that plane, and just keep rolling. They shocked everyone by naming the interim the permanent immediately. Great move!
That's what Hunter shouldve done when he saw the Penn St, Florida, Auburn, and LSU jobs all opening at the same time.
Instead he had 2 months and hired the Memphis coach, who btw won the same amount of games in November as Petrino.
Meh, I'd argue Ole Miss's AD made an extremely reactionary hire that several ADs probably wouldn't have.
Ole Miss is an infinitely more attractive job now than it was 6+ years ago. They could have probably still made a good hire but ultimately gave Golding the job with zero HC experience, and his side of the ball isn't exactly what Ole Miss was known for in the Kiffin era.
They knew Kiffin was leaving. The only hangup was coaching in the CFP. They should have been working the channels with coaching candidates at least a week ago.
This hire is more akin to State giving the permanent job to Zach Arnett after Leach died than anything else.
Chortle
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Quote from: Feral on Dec 01, 2025, 05:25 AMMeh, I'd argue Ole Miss's AD made an extremely reactionary hire that several ADs probably wouldn't have.
Ole Miss is an infinitely more attractive job now than it was 6+ years ago. They could have probably still made a good hire but ultimately gave Golding the job with zero HC experience, and his side of the ball isn't exactly what Ole Miss was known for in the Kiffin era.
They knew Kiffin was leaving. The only hangup was coaching in the CFP. They should have been working the channels with coaching candidates at least a week ago.
This hire is more akin to State giving the permanent job to Zach Arnett after Leach died than anything else.
I disagree. I think in this case he made the right move. They may only keep Golding for a year, and then go searching. They'd have been joining the party late with a not so great list of potential coaches, and competing against every body and their brother for those coaches. While I agree, it's an attractive opening... I think trying to keep the staff intact going into the CFP, and waiting to be the hottest gal at the ball next year or so is the right move in their case.
It sounds to me that Keith Carter is going to do whatever it takes to keep that staff right the fuck there at Ole Miss. It's a gamble that others in the building are good at their shit and it's not all Kiffin. If it doesn't work out oh well kick the can a couple years and then go get a better coach. I like Keith Carter...he sounds like someone that gives a fuck, knows what his sugar shaker is, and all together seems to have a plan. Must be nice. If only we had people like that from Arkansas. Oh wait.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 30, 2025, 11:33 PMDamn
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Two years ago...the year we should have fired Pittman.
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2025, 06:24 AMIt sounds to me that Keith Carter is going to do whatever it takes to keep that staff right the fuck there at Ole Miss. It's a gamble that others in the building are good at their shit and it's not all Kiffin. If it doesn't work out oh well kick the can a couple years and then go get a better coach. I like Keith Carter...he sounds like someone that gives a fuck, knows what his sugar shaker is, and all together seems to have a plan. Must be nice. If only we had people like that from Arkansas. Oh wait.
Doesn't he have AR ties? Why not go poach the dude so we can have some actual damned leadership?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Indiana in terms of football isn't overly considered a talent rich state. Certainly not compared to Penn, Michigan, and Ohio next door. From what I understand IU has placed a significant amount of emphasis on pumping dollas into NIL and got out in front of this shit when other schools were still rubbing on their wieners.
Quote from: passed on Dec 01, 2025, 06:48 AMDoesn't he have AR ties? Why not go poach the dude so we can have some actual damned leadership?
Oh he has Arkansas ties alright. Arkansas kid not recruited by Nolan who then went to Ole Miss and tore up our asses for about 20 points every single time we played them. He is a certified Arkansas hater. He would probably sell insurance before taking our job.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2025, 07:01 AMOh he has Arkansas ties alright. Arkansas kid not recruited by Nolan who then went to Ole Miss and tore up our asses for about 20 points every single time we played them. He is a certified Arkansas hater. He would probably sell insurance before taking our job.
Oh... So another on the long list of local talent we spurn that goes on to simply own us. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Dec 01, 2025, 03:52 AMThat's certainly a take.
I mean, it's no "watch me shock the world and make the brave move to hire the 0'fer November Memfis coach," but, yeah...
Think of all the people that got butthurt thru the years by Arkansas and went on to have success to spite everyone in this state. It's a long list. Conversely the ones that we wanted that got out mostly never amounted to much.
If OM goes out and lays an egg in the first playoff game, it will be pandemonium. :popcorn:
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2025, 06:24 AMIt sounds to me that Keith Carter is going to do whatever it takes to keep that staff right the fuck there at Ole Miss. It's a gamble that others in the building are good at their shit and it's not all Kiffin. If it doesn't work out oh well kick the can a couple years and then go get a better coach. I like Keith Carter...he sounds like someone that gives a fuck, knows what his sugar shaker is, and all together seems to have a plan. Must be nice. If only we had people like that from Arkansas. Oh wait.
Here in Arkansas we call that play the Wish in One Hand, Shit in the Other. Mastered by Jeff Long in April, 2012.
Their success was 99.999999% Lane Kiffin and the rest a bunch of nouveau riche boosters maxing out their lines of credit to buy a roster for him. They are about to learn a hard lesson about the relative value of a coach to the success of a mid to low tier SEC program...just like we did.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2025, 08:08 AMIf OM goes out and lays an egg in the first playoff game, it will be pandemonium. :popcorn:
With the OC, co-OC, and WR coach headed to LSU that seems to be a possibility.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2025, 08:43 AMHere in Arkansas we call that play the Wish in One Hand, Shit in the Other. Mastered by Jeff Long in April, 2012.
Their success was 99.999999% Lane Kiffin and the rest a bunch of nouveau riche boosters maxing out their lines of credit to buy a roster for him. They are about to learn a hard lesson about the relative value of a coach to the success of a mid to low tier SEC program...just like we did.
Here in Arkansas we call that move the "Pull Jack Crowe off the plane and offer him the job" move.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 01, 2025, 08:58 AMHere in Arkansas we call that move the "Pull Jack Crowe off the plane and offer him the job" move.
Also a good comparison as Hatfield's departure was beyond our control.
Deep down I don't think Frank believed we would just keep rolling on the way Long believed we would without Petrino.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 01, 2025, 09:08 AMAlso a good comparison as Hatfield's departure was beyond our control.
Deep down I don't think Frank believed we would just keep rolling on the way Long believed we would without Petrino.
Frank believed that because he was drunk on power and arrogance.
Long believed that because he was a moron with a vindicative spirit against the best coach the program was ever going to have at the time.
Did get a chuckle out of this. Especially with the Louisiana angle.
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Sounds like Kentucky may be interviewing Hartline.
As bad as Mark Stoops is relatively speaking to expectations I'd still take him over the guy we just hired. Way to go Mr. Panic AD.
kiffin gets $91 million for seven years. no mitigation clause.
chesney to ucla and will let him coach at jmu if he makes the playoffs. that's going to be a bit of culture shock for the guy. thought he could have done better.
Quote from: animal on Dec 01, 2025, 12:15 PMAs bad as Mark Stoops is relatively speaking to expectations I'd still take him over the guy we just hired. Way to go Mr. Panic AD.
I don't understand that at all. Stoops has obviously maxxed out; Silverfield at least has a chance.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 01, 2025, 12:55 PMI don't understand that at all. Stoops has obviously maxxed out; Silverfield at least has a chance.
he stopped giving a shit. we fired a coach for that a few months ago.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2025, 08:08 AMIf OM goes out and lays an egg in the first playoff game, it will be pandemonium. :popcorn:
You know Kiffin would laugh his ass off.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 01, 2025, 12:58 PMhe stopped giving a shit. we fired a coach for that a few months ago.
Which is the more "Arkansas" move?
A. Hire a guy with SEC experience who just got fired from an SEC team?
2. Hire a G5 coach and hope he figures it out?
Another dominoes explanation, from Paul Finebaum.
He claims Auburn really wanted Sumrall and thought they had him, but Sumrall chose Florida in the end. That caused Auburn to pivot to Golesh.
Finebaum didn't add the next step but it's easy enough to deduce: this caused Golesh to choose Auburn over Arkansas and the Hogs pivoted to Silverfield.
animal has said it already, right now it's all a crapshoot and we won't know which of these coaches have "worked out" for a couple of years at least.
Kiffin is set and he knows it for the playoffs. IF they win a game or two he can say, "That is my team, right there. Imagine if I was there with them. We could have won it all." IF they lose immediately, he says, "See, they cheated you boys out of your chance by not letting me be there. We could have won if they had let me be with you." Either way he can play victim and not lose a playoff game, so he doesn't suffer any real or imagined blemishes.
Quote from: jethro on Dec 01, 2025, 02:19 PMKiffin is set and he knows it for the playoffs. IF they win a game or two he can say, "That is my team, right there. Imagine if I was there with them. We could have won it all." IF they lose immediately, he says, "See, they cheated you boys out of your chance by not letting me be there. We could have won if they had let me be with you." Either way he can play victim and not lose a playoff game, so he doesn't suffer any real or imagined blemishes.
and lsu agreed to pay him whatever bonuses he would have gotten for each game ole miss wins.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 01, 2025, 02:21 PMand lsu agreed to pay him whatever bonuses he would have gotten for each game ole miss wins.
If there was ever a dysfunctional program and head-case-coach with daddy issues meant for one another, it's those two.
Holy shit the fall is going to be epic.
Quote from: TC on Dec 01, 2025, 02:49 PMIf there was ever a dysfunctional program and head-case-coach with daddy issues meant for one another, it's those two.
Holy shit the fall is going to be epic.
I'm waiting for Whit Weeks to hit the transfer portal
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They're handling this with such grace and class
https://x.com/GratefulKeg/status/1995504531816452290?s=20
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 01, 2025, 12:38 PMkiffin gets $91 million for seven years. no mitigation clause.
With as much of a hound as Kiffin is, it won't be hard for them to dig up enough dirt to fire him for cause in a few years if/when he starts losing.
Don't forget he's in voodoo country now. He starts hoeing around down there and they'll put a curse on him that would make SS blush.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 01, 2025, 01:08 PMAnother dominoes explanation, from Paul Finebaum.
He claims Auburn really wanted Sumrall and thought they had him, but Sumrall chose Florida in the end. That caused Auburn to pivot to Golesh.
Finebaum didn't add the next step but it's easy enough to deduce: this caused Golesh to choose Auburn over Arkansas and the Hogs pivoted to Silverfield.
animal has said it already, right now it's all a crapshoot and we won't know which of these coaches have "worked out" for a couple of years at least.
I 100% believe Sumrall was Auburn's #1 target.
It's been reported elsewhere he was deep in talks with them until he soured on their job because of intel he got on their booster meddling and dysfunction, and ended up taking Florida's offer instead despite Auburn's having a more lucrative incentive structure.
Also, given how quickly Silverfield has flipped 3 in state kids, I'm not sure I believe the Golesh angle. It's being reported some folks knew about RS for a while.
Closing thoughts on Kiffin...
Lane's record against SEC competition:
Georgia 1-2
Alabama 0-4
LSU - 3-3
Tennessee 1-0
Texas A&M 3-0
Florida 1-2
Oklahoma 2-0
Auburn 2-2
South Carolina 3-0
Kentucky 3-1
Vanderbilt 4-0
Mississippi State 5-1
Arkansas 4-2
He clearly dominates the historcialy worst teams in the SEC while batting .500 against the middle and having his shit pushed in by the top.
While at Ole Miss he is 5-6 against top 10 ranked teams. He has won 3 of the last 4.
It looks like he is 13-25 against AP Top 25 teams at all his stops.
He is 1-10 against top 5 opponents, excluding this year. The loss to Georgia would be 1-11.
He is 5-4 in bowls (0-1 @ TN, 0-2 @ USC, 1-0 @ FAU, 3-2 @ Ole Miss.)
He never won the conference while head coach of USC, Tennessee, or Ole Miss. He did win two while at FAU.
I asked a few weeks ago what exactly he has won that makes him a great hire. When you couple his actual results with how he burns a program down, is he really worth it?
Edit: before I get attacked, I recognize that he was building Ole Miss into something just like BP was doing at Arkansas before the wreck. I'm only presenting this in the "he is burn your house down crazy" and is it worth it?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 01, 2025, 04:22 PMClosing thoughts on Kiffin...
Lane's record against SEC competition:
Georgia 1-2
Alabama 0-4
LSU - 3-3
Tennessee 1-0
Texas A&M 3-0
Florida 1-2
Oklahoma 2-0
Auburn 2-2
South Carolina 3-0
Kentucky 3-1
Vanderbilt 4-0
Mississippi State 5-1
Arkansas 4-2
He clearly dominates the historcialy worst teams in the SEC while batting .500 against the middle and having his shit pushed in by the top.
While at Ole Miss he is 5-6 against top 10 ranked teams. He has won 3 of the last 4.
It looks like he is 13-25 against AP Top 25 teams at all his stops.
He is 1-10 against top 5 opponents, excluding this year. The loss to Georgia would be 1-11.
He is 5-4 in bowls (0-1 @ TN, 0-2 @ USC, 1-0 @ FAU, 3-2 @ Ole Miss.)
He never won the conference while head coach of USC, Tennessee, or Ole Miss. He did win two while at FAU.
I asked a few weeks ago what exactly he has won that makes him a great hire. When you couple his actual results with how he burns a program down, is he really worth it?
Edit: before I get attacked, I recognize that he was building Ole Miss into something just like BP was doing at Arkansas before the wreck. I'm only presenting this in the "he is burn your house down crazy" and is it worth it?
That is the point for me. He is a basket case waiting to explode. Confront a student reporter because he insinuated you were a hoe? Why? Something is definitely wrong with him, mentally.
You hire this guy and you're probably going to win. Maybe win big. But it will flame out in spectacular fashion.
Wonder if this is real.
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Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 01, 2025, 04:22 PMArkansas 4-2
Even crazier is that he was 2 plays away from being 2-4 against Sam Pittman.
He very well may flame out but everyone on this board would take him in a heartbeat. Hell, we've been complaining the last few years that we should have hired him last time.
I may have to buy a ticket to the LSU/OM game next year.
https://x.com/ByPatForde/status/1995622844990890298?t=ukTqLDoKQcWmmz0_ERTXVg&s=19 (https://x.com/ByPatForde/status/1995622844990890298?t=ukTqLDoKQcWmmz0_ERTXVg&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2025, 06:11 PMI may have to buy a ticket to the LSU/OM game next year.
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after all this shit was he so naive or arrogant to think people would let him leave in peace? Fuck him
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how the fuck do they have any money to do anything else much less NIL
I wouldn't have thought LSU would have that kind of money. It's crazy.
we wave a chicken man, they have a chicken finger man.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 01, 2025, 06:53 PMhow the fuck do they have any money to do anything else much less NIL
Bitcoin
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 01, 2025, 04:26 PMThat is the point for me. He is a basket case waiting to explode. Confront a student reporter because he insinuated you were a hoe? Why? Something is definitely wrong with him, mentally.
He's on the Spectrum. So is Jim Harbaugh.
I'll be glad when this guy is no longer part of college athletics.
https://x.com/zach_seyko/status/1995647501622231177?t=7-uxensQaGz7VDSuZP9QHQ&s=19 (https://x.com/zach_seyko/status/1995647501622231177?t=7-uxensQaGz7VDSuZP9QHQ&s=19)
Quote from: Feral on Dec 01, 2025, 03:18 PMI 100% believe Sumrall was Auburn's #1 target.
It's been reported elsewhere he was deep in talks with them until he soured on their job because of intel he got on their booster meddling and dysfunction, and ended up taking Florida's offer instead despite Auburn's having a more lucrative incentive structure.
Also, given how quickly Silverfield has flipped 3 in state kids, I'm not sure I believe the Golesh angle. It's being reported some folks knew about RS for a while.
The rumor I heard was that Cohen (the AD) had a commitment to Durkin that whoever interviewed for HC would be required to interview Durkin to keep him as DC. Sumrall balked at that, which I think is stupid because who wouldn't want Durkin?
Also I guess that means they never seriously considered Durkin to be HC, absent an Iron Bowl win.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2025, 08:39 PMThe rumor I heard was that Cohen (the AD) had a commitment to Durkin that whoever interviewed for HC would be required to interview Durkin to keep him as DC. Sumrall balked at that, which I think is stupid because who wouldn't want Durkin?
Also I guess that means they never seriously considered Durkin to be HC, absent an Iron Bowl win.
If nothing else it would seem like there's a staff member more loyal to the AD than me. In that cesspool, that's a major red flag. And yes I think Durkin is a stud DC.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2025, 08:39 PMThe rumor I heard was that Cohen (the AD) had a commitment to Durkin that whoever interviewed for HC would be required to interview Durkin to keep him as DC. Sumrall balked at that, which I think is stupid because who wouldn't want Durkin?
Also I guess that means they never seriously considered Durkin to be HC, absent an Iron Bowl win.
If we somehow got durkin, our fans would all get behind d this hire.
Kiffin is one strange dude.
Who has a fake dog that is cared for in a kennel and Kiffin trash posts on the dog's X account.
https://x.com/volgov53/status/1995592170481570265?s=46
Mars has now crossed state lines. He cannot be stopped.
https://x.com/TomMarsLaw/status/1995686650551398554?t=GgGbDbGL6Szmf5qT7bs1oQ&s=19 (https://x.com/TomMarsLaw/status/1995686650551398554?t=GgGbDbGL6Szmf5qT7bs1oQ&s=19)
Best part about that whole exchange is Lane proving the guy right
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2025, 07:31 PMI'll be glad when this guy is no longer part of college athletics.
https://x.com/zach_seyko/status/1995647501622231177?t=7-uxensQaGz7VDSuZP9QHQ&s=19 (https://x.com/zach_seyko/status/1995647501622231177?t=7-uxensQaGz7VDSuZP9QHQ&s=19)
I was told reliably that Sexton would never carry out a vendetta against a school for firing one of his clients, and would never steer clients away from that school unless those clients asked him to do so.
https://x.com/stinkfacejerm/status/1995542263246557640?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
I asked Google AI for sociopath:
Sociopaths exhibit a lack of empathy, remorse, and guilt, often displaying manipulative, impulsive, and aggressive behaviors with a disregard for others' feelings or rights. Other key symptoms include a history of legal problems, unstable relationships, and a tendency to lie or charm others for personal gain. It is important to note that sociopathy is often considered a symptom of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD).
Behavioral symptoms
Lack of empathy and remorse: A disregard for the feelings and rights of others, and an inability to feel guilty for their actions.
Manipulation and deceit: A tendency to lie, cheat, or use charm and wit to manipulate others for personal gain or pleasure.
Impulsivity: Acting on sudden urges without thinking about the consequences, such as quitting jobs or ending relationships suddenly.
Irritability and aggression: Frequent hostility, aggression, or irritability, which can escalate to physical assault or violence.
Irresponsibility: A failure to follow through on commitments, such as work obligations or financial responsibilities.
Social and legal symptoms
Unstable relationships: Having difficulty maintaining stable and healthy relationships with others.
Disregard for rules: Repeatedly breaking laws or rules, which can include criminal behavior like theft, property destruction, or vandalism.
Risk-taking: Engaging in dangerous and reckless behaviors without concern for their own safety or the safety of others.
Other traits
Charming and grandiose: May appear charming or charismatic, but can have an inflated sense of self-importance.
Pathological lying: A chronic habit of lying, even when it is not necessary.
Lack of conscience: A weak or absent conscience, or a feeling that rules and morals do not apply to them.
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Banging 3 chicks while tooted to the rafters is more impressive than taking Ole Miss to the playoff.
Speculation out that Memphis may have Freezus on the short list. 😁
Nothing more concrete than a couple of opinion pieces.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 01, 2025, 06:53 PMhow the fuck do they have any money to do anything else much less NIL
They get it the old fashioned way - one $12 beer at a time
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2025, 10:18 PMSpeculation out that Memphis may have Freezus on the short list. 😁
Nothing more concrete than a couple of opinion pieces.
That would be an insane hire for Memphis.
Freeze is washed as a HC and got his retirement windfall. They've typically done well going the coordinator or in-house promotion route.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 01, 2025, 10:18 PMSpeculation out that Memphis may have Freezus on the short list. 😁
Nothing more concrete than a couple of opinion pieces.
They all thought they were getting Dan Mullen the other day
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Dec 01, 2025, 10:19 PMThey get it the old fashioned way - one $12 beer corn dog at a time
Kentucky expected to land Oregon OC Will Stien.
https://x.com/chrisvannini/status/1995578748427796584?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Cookie war ! Insomnia vs Crumbl
https://x.com/redditcfb/status/1995642825107800092?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Freezus going back to Memphis to complete the full circle. That's interesting.
Will Sandra Bullock make an appearance?
She'll play the escort.
Watching the Lane presser, he has clearly studied Saban speaking. Lots of emulation. But... lot's of Lane bullshit loke not knowing what his contract numbers were.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 01, 2025, 10:31 PMFreezus going back to Memphis to complete the full circle. That's interesting.
Gus to Arkansas State? LoL
Quote from: WaywardMemphian on Dec 02, 2025, 04:20 AMGus to Arkansas State? LoL
I wouldn't put that out of the realm of possibility. I'm shocked the moron up there now still has his job. If I'm A-State I'm sprinting to Bobby P or Gus right about now.
ABC News did a special segment on lane today. They made him look sympathetic saying he feared for his life as he went to the airport due to angry fans. Oh go fuck yourself fucker
Fuck Lane Kiffin. I am glad he is not our problem.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 02, 2025, 08:27 AMABC News did a special segment on lane today. They made him look sympathetic saying he feared for his life as he went to the airport due to angry fans. Oh go fuck yourself fucker
The coats straight from 1974 are a bit much. He's too cool for school
Quote from: WaywardMemphian on Dec 02, 2025, 08:47 AMThe coats straight from 1974 are a bit much. He's too cool for school
hopefully he goes to LSU, the discover they are bankrupt, he knocks up a few chicks, gets caught with the devils dandruff and his career goes to shit. Fuck lane
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 02, 2025, 09:28 AMhopefully he goes to LSU, the discover they are bankrupt, he knocks up a few chicks, gets caught with the devils dandruff and his career goes to shit. Fuck lane
You act like any of this shit is news? Everyone has known forever what kind of character he is and the shit he pulls. He wins, so they sweep it under the rug. No one really cares or is going to fire him over this shit.
I've always found it interesting that one coach (Petrino) is the devil walking and another coach (Kiffin) is just a fun loving guy. Despite what is continually seen in public.
The media picks their darlings and has their punching bags.
Just because Petrino likes telling people that they are cock suckers doesn't make him a bad guy.
Amen on Petrino. The guy ain't perfect but he got a lot more wrath than he deserved.
Remember, Coach O survived down there doing hookers and blow till he started losing. There probably isn't another school on the planet that will turn the cheek more than LSU.
Is LSU retarded? They're paying him a bonus for winning a title at ole Miss that he's not even coaching. Where exactly are they getting this money from? There's a chance in 2029 LSU will be paying 22 million dollars in one year to coaches who are no longer employees. Meanwhile I hear the Louisiana children's hospital is in shambles.
They obviously have a better salesman than us.
Quote from: animal on Dec 02, 2025, 09:44 AMI've always found it interesting that one coach (Petrino) is the devil walking and another coach (Kiffin) is just a fun loving guy. Despite what is continually seen in public.
The media picks their darlings and has their punching bags.
Just because Petrino likes telling people that they are cock suckers doesn't make him a bad guy.
If Petrino had done the same shit he did here while coaching LSU he'd be prepping for the playoffs now trying to win his fifth national championship with the Tigers.
Sounds like Penn State is striking out on Sitake
Mormon > Amish
Pedo St has no coach the day before signing day. They have ZERO commits. Unreal
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2025, 04:04 PMMormon > Amish
Pedo St has no coach the day before signing day. They have ZERO commits. Unreal
Well at least we aren't the only clown in the circus.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2025, 04:04 PMMormon > Amish
Pedo St has no coach the day before signing day. They have ZERO commits. Unreal
I completely forgot they hadn't hired anyone.
Evidently, so have they.
And they'll start out in the top 10 next year.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2025, 04:04 PMMormon > Amish
Pedo St has no coach the day before signing day. They have ZERO commits. Unreal
Couldn't happen to a better bunch.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 02, 2025, 03:54 PMSounds like Penn State is striking out on Sitake
They screwed up bigly by firing Franklin.
In the age where continuity and stability are practically nonexistent and coaches are jumping from job to job chasing insane contracts, they cut loose a coach who won 10+ games a year who was never going to leave.
I was today years old when I learned Tosh Lupoi is actually Italian.
Quote from: HTL on Dec 02, 2025, 05:34 PMI was today years old when I learned Tosh Lupoi is actually Italian.
I was 30 seconds ago when I first heard of him.
Quote from: Lurk on Dec 02, 2025, 05:41 PMI was 30 seconds ago when I first heard of him.
football has really changed him from his Tosh 2.0 days.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 02, 2025, 04:04 PMMormon > Amish
Pedo St has no coach the day before signing day. They have ZERO commits. Unreal
Polygamy >>>> pedophilia
Quote from: Feral on Dec 02, 2025, 04:38 PMThey screwed up bigly by firing Franklin.
In the age where continuity and stability are practically nonexistent and coaches are jumping from job to job chasing insane contracts, they cut loose a coach who won 10+ games a year who was never going to leave.
Should've at least went after Chesney
What's with the hate for Lane Kiffin? His leaving for LSU will help LOL Miss fall back to their historical place in the SEC pecking order. This is good for the hogs.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Dec 02, 2025, 07:16 PMWhat's with the hate for Lane Kiffin? His leaving for LSU will help LOL Miss fall back to their historical place in the SEC pecking order. This is good for the hogs.
It's moreso because he threw back the curtain on the fact that he's still the same drama-addicted piece of shit he's always been, and that the redemption stories were all bullshit.
I agree with your overall point, though. He brought Ole Miss to levels they haven't seen since pre-integration, which made Hog fans understandably angry and envious as we simultaneously bottomed out for the second time in a decade.
They're unequivocally a better football program than we are, plain and simple. Mississippi is a talent rich state, and they got the jump on NIL and showed they were willing to pony up. They beat prime Saban twice and have five 10 win seasons in the last 11 years. Meanwhile our best record in that stretch is 9-4, and in that span of time we've managed three 10 loss seasons.
They did say people in Mississippi hadn't been that mad since the emancipation proclamation.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Dec 02, 2025, 07:16 PMWhat's with the hate for Lane Kiffin? His leaving for LSU will help LOL Miss fall back to their historical place in the SEC pecking order. This is good for the hogs.
LSU is a permanent opponent. Ole Miss no longer is.
Hartline to USF. Penn State AD probably just updating his resume at this point.
Kleiman may be stepping down this week too, with Collin Klein expected to take his place.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 03, 2025, 09:12 AMHartline to USF. Penn State AD probably just updating his resume at this point.
Kleiman may be stepping down this week too, with Collin Klein expected to take his place.
Damn, USF may have upgraded coaches.
Hartline has been a hot name in the coordinator ranks for years.
I'm not sure Hartline isn't a better hire than RS. :-\
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 03, 2025, 11:09 AMI'm not sure Hartline isn't a better hire than RS. :-\
I'm always skeptical of OCs who either have a plethora of 5 star talent because they're at a top 5 program, or if they're the OC for a HC who is himself a great OC.
Hartline is both. He might be great, but he could just as easily be a bust.
he was co oc in 2023 but day actually called the plays. in 2024 he was co oc with chip kelley. this season is the first one where he had full oc duties.
the fanbase would have completely lost their shit after canning pittman and passing on petrino if he was hired.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 03, 2025, 12:18 PMhe was co oc in 2023 but day actually called the plays. in 2024 he was co oc with chip kelley. this season is the first one where he had full oc duties.
the fanbase would have completely lost their shit after canning pittman and passing on petrino if he was hired.
Rightfully so.
Seeing Aggy and Gator fans on X wanting Bob to be their OC.
Rumors tat KY is looking at Charlie Strong as DC.
https://x.com/ByPatForde/status/1996303465639727398?s=20
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 03, 2025, 04:41 PMRumors tat KY is looking at Charlie Strong as DC.
That's a name I haven't heard in ages.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 03, 2025, 04:53 PMhttps://x.com/ByPatForde/status/1996303465639727398?s=20
Think that guy still drives a decades old civic or something
Not the type to dangle something flashy on front of
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 03, 2025, 05:39 PMThat's a name I haven't heard in ages.
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Penn State must have run out of butt pirate candidates to give the job to. What a shame
Quote from: animal on Dec 03, 2025, 05:52 PMPenn State must have run out of butt pirate candidates to give the job to. What a shame
Why are butt pirates, butt pirates?
They just arrrrrrrrr
Maybe Hootie's available. People heppin' is his game.
It's sorta hilarious Penn state still doesn't have a coach. Who else is left and who are they now rumored to be talking to?
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 03, 2025, 07:21 PMIt's sorta hilarious Penn state still doesn't have a coach. Who else is left and who are they now rumored to be talking to?
Bud Kilmer is set to interview tomorrow.
Herman Boone declined their overtures.
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Quote from: Feral on Dec 03, 2025, 07:54 PM(https://i.imgflip.com/adyhoq.jpg)
An old meme but it checks out
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 03, 2025, 07:21 PMIt's sorta hilarious Penn state still doesn't have a coach. Who else is left and who are they now rumored to be talking to?
Petrino.
Half their fan base would think the old skeleton has been dug up.
Good luck Nick
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I reckon we didn't get turned down by Morris
https://x.com/okstmart/status/1996367201864237133?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
damn, i didn't know a power 4 coach could be hired for so little these days.
I said no to Penn State this morning
So is it pretty much a given that Sexton is fucking over Penn State? And does that mean he probably likely did the same thing with us and that's why just about every one of our major targets over the last few coaches searches got big raises at their current school instead? That fat ass needs to keel over already.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 03, 2025, 10:42 PMI reckon we didn't get turned down by Morris
https://x.com/okstmart/status/1996367201864237133?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
If that's accurate then he was clearly considered the weakest candidate of the AAC coaches. He's making just over half what the others got.
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 04, 2025, 09:24 AMSo is it pretty much a given that Sexton is fucking over Penn State? And does that mean he probably likely did the same thing with us and that's why just about every one of our major targets over the last few coaches searches got big raises at their current school instead? That fat ass needs to keel over already.
That's exactly what it means.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 04, 2025, 09:31 AMIf that's accurate then he was clearly considered the weakest candidate of the AAC coaches. He's making just over half what the others got.
it's correct. it tops out at $4.3 million without incentives. i don't think the guy wanted anything to do with the sec.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 03, 2025, 10:42 PMI reckon we didn't get turned down by Morris
https://x.com/okstmart/status/1996367201864237133?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Nope. He was never offered anyway.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Dec 04, 2025, 10:01 AMNope. He was never offered anyway.
I actually kind of get the feeling that Silverfield was the guy all along. I'm not so sure that we really went after Golesh the way it was reported. I'm sure we talked to him, maybe even floated some kind of offer out to him in the event that RS rejected or decided to back out. Just seems like so many recruits and such were lined up (yes he recruited some while at Memphis) before he showed up... We also know how close kept HY has been with coach searches. Yet, somehow there is a ton of back end stuff lined up at the drop of the hat? Film been studied, recruits talked to, etc. Like RS knew way ahead of time kind of thing.
If silverfield didn't go 0 for November or had a wtf loss to UAB, the initial reaction to his hire would have been more positive.
But if he was in discussions if not already agreed to be the next guy, it would make sense he'd shift his focus. Or well I cope so.
Where is duckman these days and his bs of oh it's golesh. That bitch got slapped hard by Mars.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 04, 2025, 11:32 AMWhere is duckman these days and his bs of oh it's golesh. That bitch got slapped hard by Mars.
Mars son'd Duckman hard on Twitter.
Called him out and used the words "incurable liar."
Wrecked.
Quote from: passed on Dec 04, 2025, 11:21 AMI actually kind of get the feeling that Silverfield was the guy all along. I'm not so sure that we really went after Golesh the way it was reported. I'm sure we talked to him, maybe even floated some kind of offer out to him in the event that RS rejected or decided to back out. Just seems like so many recruits and such were lined up (yes he recruited some while at Memphis) before he showed up... We also know how close kept HY has been with coach searches. Yet, somehow there is a ton of back end stuff lined up at the drop of the hat? Film been studied, recruits talked to, etc. Like RS knew way ahead of time kind of thing.
Could be some booster got wind of Silverfield and didn't back it so he leaked the Golesh rumor. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I'd love to know who Shaap's sources are.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2025, 11:51 AMCould be some booster got wind of Silverfield and didn't back it so he leaked the Golesh rumor. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I'd love to know who Shaap's sources are.
let's be honest...Duckman doesn't know shit or probably any real insiders
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 04, 2025, 11:51 AMCould be some booster got wind of Silverfield and didn't back it so he leaked the Golesh rumor. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I'd love to know who Shaap's sources are.
That wouldn't surprise me in the least either. I think we DID put something out there to Golesh... and that got leaked to Schaap. But I'm also leaning to Golesh being a backup, and RS was the guy all along.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 04, 2025, 12:00 PMlet's be honest...Duckman doesn't know shit or probably any real insiders
Duckman isn't who we're talking about. That mouth breathing retard was all up on the Gruden junk and had no real sources. He said nothing about Golesh. Schaap said we put an offer sheet in front of Golesh and that he had agreed to it.
Quote from: passed on Dec 04, 2025, 12:34 PMThat wouldn't surprise me in the least either. I think we DID put something out there to Golesh... and that got leaked to Schaap. But I'm also leaning to Golesh being a backup, and RS was the guy all along.
Duckman isn't who we're talking about. That mouth breathing retard was all up on the Gruden junk and had no real sources. He said nothing about Golesh. Schaap said we put an offer sheet in front of Golesh and that he had agreed to it.
Schapp shouldn't mind telling us now since his source lied to him and they sabotaged the hire with the leak.
Quote from: passed on Dec 04, 2025, 12:34 PMThat wouldn't surprise me in the least either. I think we DID put something out there to Golesh... and that got leaked to Schaap. But I'm also leaning to Golesh being a backup, and RS was the guy all along.
Duckman isn't who we're talking about. That mouth breathing retard was all up on the Gruden junk and had no real sources. He said nothing about Golesh. Schaap said we put an offer sheet in front of Golesh and that he had agreed to it.
sorry I meant gruden when discussing duckman
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 04, 2025, 09:24 AMSo is it pretty much a given that Sexton is fucking over Penn State? And does that mean he probably likely did the same thing with us and that's why just about every one of our major targets over the last few coaches searches got big raises at their current school instead? That fat ass needs to keel over already.
I was thinking about this yesterday. I think we just got an explanation as to why HY gave Sam a raise but inexplicably gave him a big buyout when no one wanted him. He switched agents right before that and I'd bet a lot that Sexton pursued him as a client.
Sam's buyout was our tax for getting off of Sexton's shit list and/or a response to a specific threat from him as to future coaching searches. If we had played hardball with Sam, we could have fired him earlier but we might have had to hire a high school coach to replace him.
What did the administration do to get on his shit list? Was it all about not wanting to get into a bidding war with Ole Miss for Kiffin? I feel like we kept swinging and missing during the search when Bielema was fired. But the lack of AD probably had more to do with that.
Maybe he's mad that we refuse to build Nolan a statue. It's worth asking.
Quote from: flash23 on Dec 04, 2025, 01:42 PMWhat did the administration do to get on his shit list? Was it all about not wanting to get into a bidding war with Ole Miss for Kiffin? I feel like we kept swinging and missing during the search when Bielema was fired. But the lack of AD probably had more to do with that.
He was pissed all the way back to Nutt. He was pissed about the way we did Nutt. And I think we probably fucked him out of some money by the way we structured Nutt's golden handcuffs.
He actually said disparaging things about us publicly back during the Nutt saga. That's when we made his shit list.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 04, 2025, 01:45 PMHe was pissed all the way back to Nutt. He was pissed about the way we did Nutt. And I think we probably fucked him out of some money by the way we structured Nutt's golden handcuffs.
He actually said disparaging things about us publicly back during the Nutt saga. That's when we made his shit list.
gee, thanks jeff. just one more reason to hate that motherfucker.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 04, 2025, 01:48 PMgee, thanks jeff. just one more reason to hate that motherfucker.
No, that was Frank. And Sexton was more pissed at the fans and the state than the administration. You have to remember he is from Memphis and was an MSU guy before he became a super agent. As such there was always a little animosity and little brother resentment there.
Memphis has always been, and used to be even more so, a school that was in our shadow and felt like it was better than it is. It's a little like Oklahoma State used to be. They thought they should be as good as us and always resented the fact we looked down on them.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 04, 2025, 01:53 PMNo, that was Frank. And Sexton was more pissed at the fans and the state than the administration. You have to remember he is from Memphis and was an MSU guy before he became a super agent. As such there was always a little animosity and little brother resentment there.
Sexton went to Tennessee.
Being dorm mates with Reggie White (leading to him subsequently being his agent) is what got him started so young.
Quote from: Feral on Dec 04, 2025, 02:23 PMSexton went to Tennessee.
Being dorm mates with Reggie White (leading to him subsequently being his agent) is what got him started so young.
But is from Memphis and nobody from Memphis thinks much of Arkansas.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 04, 2025, 02:24 PMBut is from Memphis and nobody from Memphis thinks much of Arkansas.
Just correcting the point about him being an MSU grad.
looks like napier will get the james madison spot.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 04, 2025, 04:17 PMlooks like napier will get the james madison spot.
That's a downgrade
Buster Faulkner to Florida as OC
You would think Brian Kelly would be getting Penn State interest but I guess when your previous buyout was written in boilerplate language on a napkin you can pretty much just tell everyone to suck on dez nuts and not do a god damn thing.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 04, 2025, 01:53 PMNo, that was Frank. And Sexton was more pissed at the fans and the state than the administration. You have to remember he is from Memphis and was an MSU guy before he became a super agent. As such there was always a little animosity and little brother resentment there.
Memphis has always been, and used to be even more so, a school that was in our shadow and felt like it was better than it is. It's a little like Oklahoma State used to be. They thought they should be as good as us and always resented the fact we looked down on them.
Think about it. We fired the two guys who were probably the least employable in his stable in Nutt and Morris. They are the definition of marginal revenue for an agent...every dollar they bring in is one that you won't get if they lose their current job. Yeah, I know he was able to con OM into taking Nutt, but that was just dumb luck.
I guess now with Pittman you could make it his three most undesirable clients. Maybe the buyout did buy our way off his shit list.
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1996738600117866794?t=TYQivNRxvOJdqc0YG1ZECA&s=19 (https://x.com/On3sports/status/1996738600117866794?t=TYQivNRxvOJdqc0YG1ZECA&s=19)
He is not a Sexton client.
UAB hires Alex Mortensen full time. :thumb_up:
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/uab-reportedly-expected-to-hire-interim-alex-mortensen-son-of-late-hall-of-fame-reporter-as-full-time-coach-004027195.html
Good for Alex!
Oh good so maybe he'll be on the short list in 5 years when we're doing this again.
Campbell was so far down Penn State's list. Did we even make a run at him?
Kalen Deboer has denied interest in the Penn St. job, which means he's the guy. Just waiting to get rolled by Georgia this weekend.
Quote from: HTL on Dec 04, 2025, 08:03 PMCampbell was so far down Penn State's list. Did we even make a run at him?
supposedly we did and he wanted way more than what we were willing to pay him.
if he goes to pedo st, we'll see what his salary will be. they caught a break with franklin settling for $9 million.
Quote from: obijuana on Dec 04, 2025, 08:09 PMKalen Deboer has denied interest in the Penn St. job, which means he's the guy. Just waiting to get rolled by Georgia this weekend.
Wouldn't it be great if this happens, then Lane gets in a jet to Alabama?
https://x.com/274sport/status/1996612706967695408?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
Is ole Miss really suing lane? I sure hope so
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 04, 2025, 08:12 PMsupposedly we did and he wanted way more than what we were willing to pay him.
if he goes to pedo st, we'll see what his salary will be. they caught a break with franklin settling for $9 million.
Us not doing what it takes to hire the right guy. Sounds familiar.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 05, 2025, 08:31 AMhttps://x.com/274sport/status/1996612706967695408?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
Is ole Miss really suing lane? I sure hope so
They got you again.
Some hints for how to avoid this.
It's 247 Sports, not 274.
It's On3, not No3.
The actual reporter who covers this stuff is Pete Nakos, not Pete Nokos.
Most of them actually have "parody" in their X bio if you click it.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 05, 2025, 08:37 AMThey got you again.
Some hints for how to avoid this.
It's 247 Sports, not 274.
It's On3, not No3.
The actual reporter who covers this stuff is Pete Nakos, not Pete Nokos.
Most of them actually have "parody" in their X bio if you click it.
This is like watching my mom falling for those old AOL scams that if she forwarded an email Bill Gates was gonna send her a check for $10,000
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 05, 2025, 08:37 AMThey got you again.
Some hints for how to avoid this.
It's 247 Sports, not 274.
It's On3, not No3.
The actual reporter who covers this stuff is Pete Nakos, not Pete Nokos.
Most of them actually have "parody" in their X bio if you click it.
I stand by my "you need a hobby" comment I said to her.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 05, 2025, 08:48 AMI stand by my "you need a hobby" comment I said to her.
She clearly already has a hobby. Mining X for us, both sports and politics.
You're welcome
I guess it's Campbell to Penn State
https://x.com/sleepercfb/status/1997000381256376639?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Yeah, but Cambell did it at the worst D1 football school to ever exist. Remember?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Dec 05, 2025, 03:20 PMYeah, but Cambell did it at the worst D1 football school to ever exist. Remember?
Hmmmm. Is I State the worst? Or is Indiana the worst?
Quote from: passed on Dec 05, 2025, 03:49 PMHmmmm. Is I State the worst? Or is Indiana the worst?
They were both bad. Iowa State was worse.
Context matters.
Took Iowa State about 9 minutes to hire Campbell's replacement.
Say what you want about Campbell's record at ISU. I think it was a damn good hire by PSU. Campbell was competing in deep waters at ISU; he did a very respectable job. Obviously, he will be competing in much deeper waters at PSU, but with far superior resources.
I remember one of the talking heads on the radio several years ago-- don't remember exactly who, but it was a big name- who said that we should always watch Penn St, because if they ever got the right coach, they could recruit with anyone, including Ohio State. I think that is probably right.
so they are going to pay him $5 million per before incentives, but committed to $17 million for staff and $30 million in nil? have to see if it's correct because that's a shitload for staff.
https://x.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/1997102540479959534?s=20
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 05, 2025, 10:22 PMI remember one of the talking heads on the radio several years ago-- don't remember exactly who, but it was a big name- who said that we should always watch Penn St, because if they ever got the right coach, they could recruit with anyone, including Ohio State. I think that is probably right.
Sounds like Aggies of the big 10 and constantly hyped up as such. Throughout their history, they've always lived in the shadow of Ohio state and Michigan.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 05, 2025, 10:30 PMso they are going to pay him $5 million per before incentives, but committed to $17 million for staff and $30 million in nil? have to see if it's correct because that's a shitload for staff.
https://x.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/1997102540479959534?s=20
The money thrown around today in college sports is mind boggling. It's not sustainable and won't end well. Sad thing is no one seems to care enough to do anything.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2025, 07:56 AMThe money thrown around today in college sports is mind boggling. It's not sustainable and won't end well. Sad thing is no one seems to care enough to do anything.
The bubble will burst once the TV money dries up. Of course I've been saying that for probably ten years and it hasn't happened yet.
Sad reality - the most powerful group in college football besides ESPN and fox is the cfp committee.
Is it a wonder the sport is a wild shitshow?
The sec and big 10 will never get on the same page but the rise of conference power ruined the sport.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 06, 2025, 10:59 AMThe bubble will burst once the TV money dries up. Of course I've been saying that for probably ten years and it hasn't happened yet.
The next 10-20 years are gonna be very interesting. I don't think the newer generation has the passion for sports like we do. Add in this new era of transfers and NIL which is driving folks away. Gonna make for a fascinating story some day.
beamer going to hire kendall briles.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 05, 2025, 10:30 PMso they are going to pay him $5 million per before incentives, but committed to $17 million for staff and $30 million in nil? have to see if it's correct because that's a shitload for staff.
It probably includes their summer camp legal defense fees.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2025, 02:47 PMbeamer going to hire kendall briles.
Did as mediocre a job at TCU as he did at Arkansas
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Dec 07, 2025, 06:52 PMDid as mediocre a job at TCU as he did at Arkansas
Well he can go ahead and finish off the Beamer era in South Carolina by mid-season next year.
Quote from: animal on Dec 07, 2025, 06:54 PMWell he can go ahead and finish off the Beamer era in South Carolina by mid-season next year.
GT needs an OC and somebody floated him as a possibility on their board. :puke:
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 06, 2025, 02:47 PMbeamer going to hire kendall briles.
Briles is good at going west to east.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 08, 2025, 03:58 PMBriles is good at going west to east.
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I haven't found an SC fan yet that's happy about it
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 08, 2025, 09:28 PMI haven't found an SC fan yet that's happy about it
They wanted their HC fired, so there's not much he can do this offseason to satisfy them.
Quote from: bigpig on Dec 09, 2025, 10:02 AMThey wanted their HC fired, so there's not much he can do this offseason to satisfy them.
We don't know what THAT feels like
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 08, 2025, 09:28 PMI haven't found an SC fan yet that's happy about it
I'd think they would love 700 yards from scrimmage and still only manage to score 17 points. Hell it's not a bad strategy if you can manage to keep the ball away from the opponent. One of Petrino's major failings this season was lack of committing to the run in the games we were competitive with in the 1st half. If we had run clock and be a bit slow run run run...that might have given our defense a chance to fuck up less.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 08, 2025, 03:58 PMBriles is good at going west to east.
too bad they don't play all their games at AT&T Stadium...
If sellers returns I could see them having more success than they did this year, Loggins to Shula was a massive drop off, but then we know what those sub minute drives will do to their defense.
Who else wants to go work on the titanic? I would guess he was told to find work elsewhere to save face
We ain't done. Michigan fired Sherone Moore for cause.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 03:50 PMWe ain't done. Michigan fired Sherone Moore for cause.
This should be interesting. I guess a $12 million QB with nothing to show is not good for your career.
Rumor that he knocked up a staffer
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 03:50 PMWe ain't done. Michigan fired Sherone Moore for cause.
Gonna be interesting to hear what the "cause" is. I'm guessing losing to OSU constitutes cause in Michigan.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 03:54 PMRumor that he knocked up a staffer
HTL just said he pulled a Petrino on the other football thread. Sounds like he did worse.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 03:54 PMRumor that he knocked up a staffer
Was that wrong
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2025, 04:06 PMWas that wrong
Shows a lack of integrity from what hear. And we all know integrity goes a Long way.
Wonder if Bielema has his stationary out already.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 10, 2025, 03:55 PMHTL just said he pulled a Petrino on the other football thread. Sounds like he did worse.
Sounds like he didn't pull at all.
100 times out of 100 he's still employed if they beat Ohio State this year
Paid for the abortion too? At least he was gentleman enough to do that.
Brian Kelly, Kalen DeBoer, I heard someone say Lincoln Riley but I don't see that happening... who else? Michigan seems like one of those places that should attract just about any coach they want.
Apparently she got a 55% raise recently
https://x.com/darkostatenews/status/1998880793075319106?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
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Lot of chatter about DeBoer. That would be hilarious if it happened
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 10, 2025, 06:15 PMLot of chatter about DeBoer. That would be hilarious if it happened
Kiffin to Bama would be even funnier
https://x.com/Bryan_Aguada/status/1998891210577174895?s=20
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 06:18 PMKiffin to Bama would be even funnier
That would be awesome.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 06:18 PMKiffin to Bama would be even funnier
https://x.com/Bryan_Aguada/status/1998891210577174895?s=20
I don't know that he could take the job even if he wanted it. Of course, if he had stayed put at OM he could've likely coached in the playoffs and then taken the Bama job (if it opens). Gonna be interesting...
Quote from: PorkyPig on Dec 10, 2025, 06:20 PMThat would be awesome.
Please God let this happen.
This goes deeper (phrasing) than an affair.
Rumors involve threatening to his wife that he would kill himself, and then going to the home of the staffer that he was banging and trying to break in threatening to kill her and/or himself. 39 years old, had it made, and his coaching career is done.
https://x.com/DanWetzel/status/1998911000255541626?s=20
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 05:58 PMApparently she got a 55% raise recently
https://x.com/darkostatenews/status/1998880793075319106?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
That sick bastard
Quote from: animal on Dec 10, 2025, 07:03 PMThat sick bastard
Harsin did it better (allegedly)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 10, 2025, 06:15 PMLot of chatter about DeBoer. That would be hilarious if it happened
Please let this happen. The more chaos, the better.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 05:58 PMApparently she got a 55% raise recently
https://x.com/darkostatenews/status/1998880793075319106?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Black man's cryptonite.
Pussy. It's unrelenting and undefeated. It's killed more careers than all other reasons combined.
The record of pussy has now been updated to elevendy zatrillion-0.
https://x.com/scotthughescbb/status/1998923446148018248?s=46IMG_1248.jpeg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 10, 2025, 05:58 PMApparently she got a 55% raise recently
https://x.com/darkostatenews/status/1998880793075319106?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
I'd give the man an extension. Besides the one he obviously had.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 10, 2025, 08:13 PMhttps://x.com/scotthughescbb/status/1998923446148018248?s=46IMG_1248.jpeg
Well that escalated quickly.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 10, 2025, 08:29 PMWell that escalated quickly.
Is this what winters in Michigan look like? Talk about cabin fever.
https://x.com/nocontextcfb/status/1998978363424387417?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Yikes I guess Michigan now joins the coaching carousel. That guy is done for good and will never coach again. Hope it was worth it. I guess his wife and kids will be set up nicely
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Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 10, 2025, 08:13 PMhttps://x.com/scotthughescbb/status/1998923446148018248?s=46IMG_1248.jpeg
I saw this morning that he pleaded insanity, because he's crazy about that shit.
Once you go snowbunny, you never go back.
There is a rhyme in there somewhere I am sure.
big butt white girl? That is just unfair to the guy.
and Chip Kelly is sniffing around Georgia Tech to be the OC
Quote from: Cornhogio on Dec 11, 2025, 07:44 AMI saw this morning that he pleaded insanity, because he's crazy about that shit.
pussy has driven many a man crazy
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 11, 2025, 09:02 AMpussy has driven many a man crazy
we're all born with all the crazy that will ever exist. some of us just don't tap into it.
https://x.com/i/status/1999139029346828779 (https://x.com/i/status/1999139029346828779)
Quote from: BASS on Dec 11, 2025, 11:33 AMwe're all born with all the crazy that will ever exist. some of us just don't tap into it.
He apparently "tapped" into it
Quote from: BASS on Dec 11, 2025, 11:33 AMwe're all born with all the crazy that will ever exist. some of us just don't tap into it.
Some of
US don't tap into it? When you say us, that implies you're included too. I don't think you fit into that category
https://nypost.com/2025/12/11/sports/fired-michigan-coach-sherrone-moore-slid-into-my-dms-curvy-onlyfans-model-says/
Jesus. Look at the pic of this chick in the article. She(?) should be pitching the Arby's Big Montana.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Dec 11, 2025, 07:44 AMI saw this morning that he pleaded insanity, because he's crazy about that shit.
Nice Cheech & Chong reference!
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Dec 11, 2025, 02:33 PMNice Cheech & Chong reference!
Thank you! First time I heard it was on an 8 track tape. :)
https://x.com/brianbatescomic/status/1998917243271524612?
Sam Pittman is impressed.
Are we sure Moore didn't grope that staffer too?
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 11, 2025, 05:08 PMAre we sure Moore didn't grope that staffer too?
Motorboatin'!
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Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 11, 2025, 03:19 AMYikes I guess Michigan now joins the coaching carousel. That guy is done for good and will never coach again. Hope it was worth it. I guess his wife and kids will be set up nicely
A $30 plus million piece of ass. Plus he's going to likely be going to state pen for a while for attacking the girlfriend with a knife. I hope he serves serious time.
That girl's box must have gripped tighter than a gorilla hanging on to the last banana
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 11, 2025, 07:46 PMThat girl's box must have gripped tighter than a gorilla hanging on to the last banana
The first time, maybe. By now that thang's sporting more cubic inches than a '69 Barracuda.
Quote from: Spiderham on Dec 11, 2025, 04:21 PMhttps://x.com/brianbatescomic/status/1998917243271524612?
His name was Robert Paulson.
Listening to Andy and Ari (on3) today - it seems there were rumors about Moore back in the summer and apparently a lot of suspicions in Ann Arbor about this.
Now the questions are did the AD know and when did he know and when did the investigation begin?
If the AD gets canned who is hiring the next coach and what next coach is going to take the job not knowing who the AD is gonna be?
Of course it is Michigan (a destination job)and they have a ton of money so that may not matter anyway.
Since they fired him for cause at no cost instead of $15-18 million it will be cheaper to pay the new coach's current buyout while upgrading to a potentially better coach.
It will cost $10m to get Jed Fisch from Washington ( former um oc).
Clark Lea or PJ Fleck? Drink?
Timing is everything. One week earlier they probably get matt Campbell.
Interesting how a lot of the national media where all bend out of shape when Sam was canned but not one time did any of them ever mention his name as possible candidate for any job.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 11, 2025, 10:22 PMInteresting how a lot of the national media where all bend out of shape when Sam was canned
Were they? I remember the predominant reaction being silence/ignoring, with a little bit of "sounds right" thrown in.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 11, 2025, 10:50 PMWere they? I remember the predominant reaction being silence/ignoring, with a little bit of "sounds right" thrown in.
This. What national media was bent out of shape?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 12, 2025, 06:34 AMThis. What national media was bent out of shape?
The folks on SECN were vocal about supporting Sam as he circled the drain. Finebaum was not but their other analysts were upset he was fired, especially fucking Marty and McGee, especially the bmfp part. Ryan McGee is as dumb as booger McFarland. He was crying he hated imagining an SEC without Sam Pittman. Not a fucking one of them ever mentioned him again with all these openings though.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 11, 2025, 10:22 PMListening to Andy and Ari (on3) today - it seems there were rumors about Moore back in the summer and apparently a lot of suspicions in Ann Arbor about this.
Now the questions are did the AD know and when did he know and when did the investigation begin?
If the AD gets canned who is hiring the next coach and what next coach is going to take the job not knowing who the AD is gonna be?
Of course it is Michigan (a destination job)and they have a ton of money so that may not matter anyway.
Since they fired him for cause at no cost instead of $15-18 million it will be cheaper to pay the new coach's current buyout while upgrading to a potentially better coach.
It will cost $10m to get Jed Fisch from Washington ( former um oc).
Clark Lea or PJ Fleck? Drink?
Timing is everything. One week earlier they probably get matt Campbell.
Interesting how a lot of the national media where all bend out of shape when Sam was canned but not one time did any of them ever mention his name as possible candidate for any job.
Please, 8 pound 6 ounce baby Jesus lying in a manger, let Michigan go after DoBoer and Alabama go after Kiffen. This would be such a good thing to do.
Amen.
Quote from: RPL on Dec 12, 2025, 02:56 PMPlease, 8 pound 6 ounce baby Jesus lying in a manger, let Michigan go after DoBoer and Alabama go after Kiffen. This would be such a good thing to do.
Amen.
it would be glorious
kyle whittingham stepping down after their bowl game.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 12, 2025, 03:27 PMkyle whittingham stepping down after their bowl game.
He's scared of the Hogs!
How long will the Whittingham run?!
Quote from: RPL on Dec 12, 2025, 03:28 PMHe's scared of the Hogs!
How long will the Whittingham run?!
Let's hope they hire Chad, at least till we're done playing them
I see Ryan Beard is headed to Coastal Carolina.
Any chance he brings in his FIL BP to coach up the Chanticleers offense?
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Dec 12, 2025, 07:43 PMI see Ryan Beard is headed to Coastal Carolina.
Any chance he brings in his FIL BP to coach up the Chanticleers offense?
no way, man SWMo (or MoSt) will see the restoration of BMFP as head coach. It's his thing. Louisville, Arkansas, and now SWMo!
Quote from: RPL on Dec 13, 2025, 09:01 AMno way, man SWMo (or MoSt) will see the restoration of BMFP as head coach. It's his thing. Louisville, Arkansas, and now SWMo!
He wouldn't be there long unless he wanted to be. Remember when people thought we were a good team and he almost beat us? Teams were like "He still knows offenses" and wanted to hire him as their OC immediately.
She got quite a... whole camel
https://x.com/nypost/status/1999869894255337595?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 13, 2025, 06:01 PMShe got quite a... whole camel
https://x.com/nypost/status/1999869894255337595?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
That's more like a Clydesdale
Quote from: animal on Dec 13, 2025, 06:35 PMThat's more like a Clydesdale
She may be packing captain winkie.
Quote from: Borenutz on Dec 13, 2025, 07:26 PMShe may be packing captain winkie.
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Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 13, 2025, 06:01 PMShe got quite a... whole camel
https://x.com/nypost/status/1999869894255337595?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
She must be having some kind of allergic reaction. She needs to get that checked out.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 13, 2025, 06:01 PMShe got quite a... whole camel
https://x.com/nypost/status/1999869894255337595?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Man, the stink at Michigan just gets worse. However, I still say we probably wouldn't have heard any of this if they had beaten OSU this year.
aggie hires t-will as lb coach.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 16, 2025, 08:39 AMaggie hires t-will as lb coach.
Excellent!
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Bobby to North Carolina may be picking up steam
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 22, 2025, 09:00 AMBobby to North Carolina may be picking up steam
Bill better hope Jordon doesn't dig Harleys.
https://x.com/On3sports/status/2003116932837388447?s=20
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 22, 2025, 09:13 AMhttps://x.com/On3sports/status/2003116932837388447?s=20
I hope it works out for him.
that's going to end spectacularly, one way or another.
Will be out of work again next year.
Quote from: HTL on Dec 22, 2025, 09:35 AMWill be out of work again next year.
And yet he just keeps on stacking cash.
That reminds me of that movie where James Garner and the other 3 guys plated old astronauts.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 22, 2025, 11:23 AMThat reminds me of that movie where James Garner and the other 3 guys plated old astronauts.
Space Cowboys - that was a good movie.
Brown's fans seem to think Belichick might be their next coach.
https://x.com/i/status/2003119387096838322 (https://x.com/i/status/2003119387096838322)
Quote from: HTL on Dec 22, 2025, 09:35 AMWill be out of work again next year.
I read somewhere on the woopig that Petrino would never coach again.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 22, 2025, 01:45 PMI read somewhere on the woopig that Petrino would never coach again.
I know that has been said about Sam. And Nutt. You sure you're thinking of Petrino?
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 22, 2025, 01:45 PMI read somewhere on the woopig that Petrino would never coach again.
No one said that. He's clearly never getting a big time head gig again.
I just remembered Petrinos whole family just moved to Coastal Carolina. Still within driving distance of his grands.
apparently someone at on3 might have jumped the gun.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/2003198082826084782
https://x.com/CSOonX/status/2003140135987339380?s=20
Early reactions on the Rant are happy he'll be in a different conference
https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/bobby-petrino-finds-a-new-job/121980314/
I don't know if there has even been a coach that's had a more varying opinion about him. The media hates him. He coaches your team and the fanbase love him. Opponent fanbases respect/fear him.
The media hates Art Briles and Jerry Sandusky less than they do Bobby Petrino.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 23, 2025, 08:28 AMEarly reactions on the Rant are happy he'll be in a different conference
https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/bobby-petrino-finds-a-new-job/121980314/
That'll be 139 years of life arguing about play calling during the game.
Official
https://x.com/greatdaytarheel/status/2003117949192970406?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
michigan expected to hire kyle whittingham. deal could be done today.
talk about falling up on a coaching search at the last minute.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 26, 2025, 11:46 AMmichigan expected to hire kyle whittingham. deal could be done today.
talk about falling up on a coaching search at the last minute.
Always makes you wonder who was trying to drop panties for that money in our search that was going to "blow us away"
Quote from: animal on Dec 26, 2025, 12:07 PMAlways makes you wonder who was trying to drop panties for that money in our search that was going to "blow us away"
"They" lie a lot about the prestige of Arkansas football. No big name coach was ever coming here.
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 27, 2025, 08:39 PM"They" lie a lot about the prestige of Arkansas football. No big name coach was ever coming here.
You people can enjoy the darkness of your attitudes, I guess. I prefer to embrace the possibilities of success in the future.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 28, 2025, 12:17 AMYou people can enjoy the darkness of your attitudes, I guess. I prefer to embrace the possibilities of success in the future.
That's cool
Sometimes clover valley is better than great value
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 28, 2025, 12:17 AMYou people can enjoy the darkness of your attitudes, I guess. I prefer to embrace the possibilities of success in the future.
I agree with you. If all someone is going to do is expect the worst all the time, why even follow the team? Life's too short to put that much energy into being negative. There will be plenty of time for that after the results are known.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 28, 2025, 02:40 PMI agree with you. If all someone is going to do is expect the worst all the time, why even follow the team? Life's too short to put that much energy into being negative. There will be plenty of time for that after the results are known.
It's like you're not even aware of the Nolan Statue Curse.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 28, 2025, 03:59 PMIt's like you're not even aware of the Nolan Statue Curse.
Even Sully was posting about building a statue for Nolan on X the other day. It's mind boggling that our athletic administration is this stupid.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 28, 2025, 04:08 PMEven Sully was posting about building a statue for Nolan on X the other day. It's mind boggling that our athletic administration is this stupid.
We're not conspiracists; we're just ahead of the times. We were aware of the Curse before Bobby Bones, but he decided to forget all about it.
I am in a wait and see mode. How many wins would any of you consider success? Right now, I don't even know who we will have on the team. However, I think the only chance we had at a NC was when we had McFadden, Jones, and Hollis, and Nutt was too stupid to win it.
That's where I am at. Until I see a roster and see how other schools end up, making a projection right now is nonsense.
Can't say I'm overly impressed with any hires as of yet. Let's see how we look when the portal closes.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 28, 2025, 03:59 PMIt's like you're not even aware of the Nolan Statue Curse.
Since we know the curse exists, why get pissed about the results ahead of time? It's bigger than this team or any coach.
if success is going to be judged by what other teams get in the portal before a game is even played, then why bother.
arkansas won't and hasn't been outbidding most of the schools in the sec for the roster full of stars everyone wants. if the guy can coach, then it will be better than what we've seen on the sidelines the last six years.
Mike is not on board.
https://x.com/i/status/2005379555671048300 (https://x.com/i/status/2005379555671048300)
SEC Mike is not the brightest bulb in the tree.
True, but he does a great Podcast. O0
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 28, 2025, 04:44 PMSince we know the curse exists, why get pissed about the results ahead of time? It's bigger than this team or any coach.
Because it wouldn't be a hard curse to break. It's not like we have to go find the bones of Hitler, reanimate the corpse, and stab it through the heart with a dreidel.
Dabo needs a new OC - the garret riley experience is over. Does he bring the Chad back?
I predict Clemson's offense looks no different next year.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 29, 2025, 09:05 PMDabo needs a new OC - the garret riley experience is over. Does he bring the Chad back?
Funny you should mention that.
https://x.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/2005797528198111427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2005797528198111427%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Clemson is probably the only program in America that doesn't have Chad on a shoot on sight list at the door of their football complex.
It must be nice to fail at Arkansas, when the national media will just assume that we're the problem instead of the coach.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 30, 2025, 08:06 AMIt must be nice to fail at Arkansas, when the national media will just assume that we're the problem instead of the coach.
Well and you have Bert semi winning at Illinois helping reinforce that notion. If you call barely making bowls "winning" but to them that's great. At Arkansas we expect to go to the Liberty or Texas bowl every year. Maybe a Cotton or Citrus once every 5 years.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 30, 2025, 08:02 AMClemson is probably the only program in America that doesn't have Chad on a shoot on sight list at the door of their football complex.
sounds like Dabo wants a buyout
I liked Clemson as a team to watch when Arkansas isn't on. Fuck that now.
https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article314059549.html
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 03, 2026, 03:22 PMI liked Clemson as a team to watch when Arkansas isn't on. Fuck that now.
https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article314059549.html
What is going on with this teeth? Or is that gum?
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I bet that motherfucker spent the last year teaching Somalis how to run daycares. I hope he gets mauled by that janky ass tigers mascot Clemson has
That's the kind of hire you make when you really just want the pension plan to kick in sometime in the late autumn circa 2026.
Quote from: animal on Jan 03, 2026, 09:25 PMThat's the kind of hire you make when you really just want the pension plan to kick in sometime in the late autumn circa 2026.
That's what I told my father in law when he texted me about it. Dabo is basically trying to get fired at this point.
Is motherfucking Chad moving his wife to shutdown?
I only hope that chads return is the catalyst that topples Dabo and the entire program. I hatee that fucker
And in Arkansas football fashion, Dabo gets fired. They promote Chad to interim. He keeps the gig year two and wins a natty. National pundits talk about his redemption from Arkansas.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jan 04, 2026, 12:39 PMIs motherfucking Chad moving his wife to shutdown?
I only hope that chads return is the catalyst that topples Dabo and the entire program. I hatee that fucker
I hope it's the worst decision ever and they suck
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Jan 04, 2026, 01:58 PMAnd in Arkansas football fashion, Dabo gets fired. They promote Chad to interim. He keeps the gig year two and wins a natty. National pundits talk about his redemption from Arkansas.
While that seems like our luck, it will never happen. No way in hell Chad could win a natty.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Jan 04, 2026, 01:58 PMAnd in Arkansas football fashion, Dabo gets fired. They promote Chad to interim. He keeps the gig year two and wins a natty. National pundits talk about his redemption from Arkansas.
he would have to beat a power 4 team, something he never did during his 5 years as a head coach.
it would be a bigger surprise than what Cignetti has done at Indiana.
Not sure Dabo has even equity for the #hammerdown offense to get installed, but we all know the offensive (or rather lack thereof) is gonna get him fired.
Kirby Smart to the Falcons? Wonder who Georgia would go after at this stage.
Wasn't this guy at A-State? I guess Providence is a better situation than Jonesbongle
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2036538327722074591?s=20
https://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/2036293825107284158?s=20
Interesting. UNC is an odd bunch. They often hire a lot of former players. I think they'll go outside this time. I wonder if a guy like Mark Few would be interested. Seems like he has hit his ceiling with the Zags. Guys like Painter and Underwood may be interested as well.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Mar 24, 2026, 04:45 PMInteresting. UNC is an odd bunch. They often hire a lot of former players. I think they'll go outside this time. I wonder if a guy like Mark Few would be interested. Seems like he has hit his ceiling with the Zags. Guys like Painter and Underwood may be interested as well.
Just tossing a few names out here. Not really seeing a lot of names that just get me all excited but then again I wasn't overwhelmed by Cal but god damn he was a home run. There just isn't many of those guys floating around. Not sure who's out there in the NBA but maybe Carolina goes for a NBA guy. Will be interesting to see what happens when there are few "new hotness" head coaches in the hiring pool when so few mid-majors are making noise in March.
A few names that maybe could be moving...
Bryce Drew
T. J. Otzelberger (Iowa State, wiki reports he's making 4 mil per) I think he can do better
Mark Byington
As loaded as the SEC is I won't be shocked to see someone (big name) bolt to either Kansas or UNC but you know Oats has Alabama in the national title hunt so it's not like it's really hurting him that he's in a stacked SEC.
Also and oh by the way not that I'm complaining but how the fuck is the LSU coach not already fired? We dodged a bullet with that one he was on my short list and probably several others here. He's basically the corn rows of basketball at this point. Is LSU still under a penalty? Maybe that's why.
Quote from: animal on Mar 24, 2026, 04:22 PMhttps://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/2036293825107284158?s=20
That account is a serious troll. He is full of 💩
I forget who it was and what it was over but he got exposed during the college football season.
lsu invests more in their women's program than their mens (so does south carolina, not a coincidence the two worst teams in the conference), and mcmahon has the lowest salary in the sec by almost a million.
they pretty much don't seem to give a fuck about men's basketball anymore. and with kiffin sucking up all the nil money, it probably won't get any better soon.
Quote from: animal on Mar 24, 2026, 05:42 PMJust tossing a few names out here. Not really seeing a lot of names that just get me all excited but then again I wasn't overwhelmed by Cal but god damn he was a home run. There just isn't many of those guys floating around. Not sure who's out there in the NBA but maybe Carolina goes for a NBA guy. Will be interesting to see what happens when there are few "new hotness" head coaches in the hiring pool when so few mid-majors are making noise in March.
A few names that maybe could be moving...
Bryce Drew
T. J. Otzelberger (Iowa State, wiki reports he's making 4 mil per) I think he can do better
Mark Byington
As loaded as the SEC is I won't be shocked to see someone (big name) bolt to either Kansas or UNC but you know Oats has Alabama in the national title hunt so it's not like it's really hurting him that he's in a stacked SEC.
Also and oh by the way not that I'm complaining but how the fuck is the LSU coach not already fired? We dodged a bullet with that one he was on my short list and probably several others here. He's basically the corn rows of basketball at this point. Is LSU still under a penalty? Maybe that's why.
Not sure LSU gives a damn about basketball currently, they're still in their honeymoon phase with Kiffin. Suspect the bulk of the revshare/NIL funds are going to Football, Baseball, and WBB. They have their own version of Petrino drama with Will Wade. The AD who fired him is gone, a lot of fans want him back, the guy who hired him at McNeese State is named Wade, and is now the president of LSU. He's only been at NC St for a season, suspect he wouldn't go back to LSU unless he had assurances about their NIL commitment.
I've lived here almost 30 years, and I know a bunch of football and baseball season ticket holders, never met any with basketball tickets.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Mar 24, 2026, 04:45 PMInteresting. UNC is an odd bunch. They often hire a lot of former players. I think they'll go outside this time. I wonder if a guy like Mark Few would be interested. Seems like he has hit his ceiling with the Zags. Guys like Painter and Underwood may be interested as well.
I've heard Kenny Smith floated around. Which is nuts in my mind, guy has never coached anything ever. They'll hire whomever MJ throws his money behind.
Must be nice to have a former athlete that is a billionaire that wants to donate to your athletic program.
Given that MJ has been horrendous with being a owner/gm in the NBA...I'm not scared of him goosing up UNC basketball.
actually jordan has been called out for not giving enough in nil along with some of their other wealthy basketball alums. he given a lot to other parts of the university.
It is official.
https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/2036607904678113323?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/2036618068760109132?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
media guys saying they will go outside of 'unc family' for the hire.
portal opens in two weeks so the hire should be made fairly quickly.
The UNC AD should publicly offer Krzyzewski $20M per year just to mess with Duke.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 24, 2026, 06:43 PMactually jordan has been called out for not giving enough in nil along with some of their other wealthy basketball alums. he given a lot to other parts of the university.
I've wondered why they didn't have more NIL money with him being from there. We've all heard the stories of how cheap he can be.
Bill Self might be retiring
Quote from: buff2.0 on Mar 25, 2026, 08:07 AMBill Self might be retiring
That might help us get the Stokes kid.
haven't been on stokes for a while according to the recruiting guys. any chatter about the kid has been based on months old articles or a recent fake rothstein tweet.
Well, that sucks. Saw it on the SEC rant last night.
with smith signing, stokes was going to be a little too rich even for chicken man. gotta have some cash for a couple of bigs.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 25, 2026, 09:08 AMhaven't been on stokes for a while according to the recruiting guys. any chatter about the kid has been based on months old articles or a recent fake rothstein tweet.
Then this is probably bullshit, but we can dream can't we?
https://www.sportscasting.com/news/tyran-stokes-recruiting-arkansas-picking-up-momentum-for-no-1-recruit-in-2026/ (https://www.sportscasting.com/news/tyran-stokes-recruiting-arkansas-picking-up-momentum-for-no-1-recruit-in-2026/)
the tipton, and 247 quotes are from 2-3 months ago. someone on here might have a rivals account. as recently as yesterday the arkansas 247 guy said they haven't been pursuing him for a while and that's why cal signed toure and andrews.
who knows if something is still going on. i certainly won't complain if it comes true.
I think Ewin will be back. We need a couple more bigs, and a couple of shooters.
Quote from: Gambler on Mar 25, 2026, 11:12 AMI think Ewin will be back. We need a couple more bigs, and a couple of shooters.
Bigs, please. Is it a forgone conclusion that Thomas is gone?
isn't the juco injunction still in place? if so i bet the odds are great ewin returns.
as far as thomas it seems cal encourages his players to go pro if there's a deal out there for them. i think at worst thomas can get an early 2nd guaranteed deal like jwill got a few years ago. get into the contract. he said yesterday on mcafee's podcast that eight players will get nil. that could be a factor depending who else might come back.
Would like Richmond, Wagner, Knox, Ewing, and Thomas back out of the realistic possibilities. Am I wrong in saying that Thomas is basically on the level maybe a cut above Malik Monk? He's not exactly SGA or Rose so I'm just wonder where he fits in the lexicon of great Cal guards.
Quote from: animal on Mar 25, 2026, 03:06 PMWould like Richmond, Wagner, Knox, Ewing, and Thomas back out of the realistic possibilities. Am I wrong in saying that Thomas is basically on the level maybe a cut above Malik Monk? He's not exactly SGA or Rose so I'm just wonder where he fits in the lexicon of great Cal guards.
Not a Cal guard, but Reggie Miller is who he reminds me of.
Quote from: Lurk on Mar 25, 2026, 03:29 PMNot a Cal guard, but Reggie Miller is who he reminds me of.
100% and now that you have written it I'll not be able to unsee it when I watch a game. His shot movement is very close to Reggie's.
LSU looking at Will Wade again is hilarious
not looking, rothstein says they will fire mcmahon today and wade will be the next coach.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/2037162170987770081
personally i don't get the hype for the guy. his record didn't scream elite his first go round there.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 26, 2026, 09:25 AMnot looking, rothstein says they will fire mcmahon today and wade will be the next coach.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/2037162170987770081
personally i don't get the hype for the guy. his record didn't scream elite his first go round there.
His first stint was also before every program was openly spending millions on their rosters. I don't think he's a shitty coach but the advantage he had back then is gone.
Quote from: animal on Mar 25, 2026, 03:06 PMWould like Richmond, Wagner, Knox, Ewing, and Thomas back out of the realistic possibilities. Am I wrong in saying that Thomas is basically on the level maybe a cut above Malik Monk? He's not exactly SGA or Rose so I'm just wonder where he fits in the lexicon of great Cal guards.
If Billy returns then I think Knox moves on. It will be one or the other but not both. I would love nothing more than for Thomas to come back but that's probably a pipe dream. Holy shit we would be good if he does though. I think Wagner returns along with Ewin if Ewin can get the extra year back.
Thomas has had a great year, and his shooting might get him a 2nd round pick. Put in one more year this good and he's a sure 1st rounder. We need bigs if we expect to get to the championship game, but I'm already more optimistic for next season than I was for this one if Thomas and BR3 come back for one more run. After next season though we could lose an entire starting roster to the NBA.
As long as Cal keeps bringing in players that I can say "I got to see him live", I'm good with a total rebuild year every now and then.
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https://x.com/tuffycentral/status/2037206952787259494?s=20
So LSU hired Heath Schroyer as Deputy Director of Athletics. He was the AD at McNeese St who hired Wade after he was fired by LSU. Schroyer was very effective at fund raising. Suspect his main job will be getting MBB's NIL ramped up.
Wow - where is LSU getting all this money?
https://x.com/dontrellchillis/status/2037185469369250297?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/tuffycentral/status/2037206952787259494?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/mikebeauvais/status/2037186666792669534?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
https://x.com/petethamel/status/2037227015569358863?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
I guess its a good thing rape, sa, and murder is still not OK or Art Briles would have a job.
Nope. Nevermind. It's gotta be BS.
I actually thought this was fake. No.
https://x.com/lsubasketball/status/2037894578418683939?s=46
Quote from: Spiderham on Mar 28, 2026, 08:22 PMI actually thought this was fake. No.
https://x.com/lsubasketball/status/2037894578418683939?s=46
LSU is fully embracing the villain role.
NC State may be suing Wade for breach of contract.
Could Cal go to UNC?
Just wondering, obviously I have no inside information.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 28, 2026, 10:13 PMCould Cal go to UNC?
Just wondering, obviously I have no inside information.
And hop back into the pressure cooker? Why would he do that? It's just as bad there if not worse than what he left at Lexington.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 28, 2026, 10:13 PMCould Cal go to UNC?
Just wondering, obviously I have no inside information.
I thought about that too. Maybe if he thinks it's his best shot at another natty, but he's stayed at his job stops for quite a while and I doubt he'd pull that on chicken man.
I think UNC goes younger anyway.
Smoke around Donovan to UNC
Quote from: Barton Fink on Mar 29, 2026, 01:24 PMSmoke around Donovan to UNC
Kentucky fan is going to lose their mind as they hold on to Pope and fire him next year to hire the Nebraska coach who can't count to 5.
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