Poll
Question:
WHAT WILL THE HOGS FINAL REGULAR SEASON RECORD BE (12 games)
Option 1: 12-0 (don't do that to yourself)
votes: 2
Option 2: 11-1 (really?)
votes: 2
Option 3: 10-2 (the old Bobby Petrino glass ceiling)
votes: 2
Option 4: 9-3 (the old Houston Nutt glass ceiling)
votes: 21
Option 5: 8-4 (a solid, reliable "good year")
votes: 27
Option 6: 7-5 (one more loss than 8-4's good year, but somehow is considered terrible)
votes: 19
Option 7: 6-6 (toilet bowl)
votes: 8
Option 8: 5-7 (panic)
votes: 4
Option 9: 4-8 or worse (fire everyone)
votes: 7
Let's do this
7-5. I'm not buying the hype until I see it on the field against a decent team.
9-3 I will take some hype.
Win either A&M or Ole Miss, rest goes as planned
Quote from: egregious on Aug 24, 2023, 12:40 PM9-3 I will take some hype.
Win either A&M or Ole Miss, rest goes as planned
If you had to pick one, who would you rather beat? Ole Miss has been the team we've gone back and forth with since Pittman got here. A&M is that little ankle-biter that we should beat but have stepped on our own feet too many times. We might not play them annually after this year, so I'd like to send them packing with an L.
10-2
I'm going to imagine a season with games where we don't turn the ball over and don't give up big plays and beat Alabama.
8-4
W - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina (in Little Rock)
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
L - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W - Sept. 30 — Texas A&M (in Arlington, Texas)
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
L - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
L - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
W - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
L - Sept. 23 — at LSU
L Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
L - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
L - Nov. 4 — at Florida
W - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Aug 24, 2023, 01:53 PMI'm going to imagine a season with games where we don't turn the ball over and don't give up big plays and beat Alabama.
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
Nothing to kill or die for
A brotherhood of man
About as likely.
W - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
L - Sept. 23 — at LSU
L Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
L - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
W - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
9-3 (5-3). Citrus Bowl win over an overrated B1G opponent.
We're beating A&M. If we beat Old Mrs., we're going 10-2.
W - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
W - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
W - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Highly unlikely we go undefeated so our first loss will be late in the season. I figure an injury or two will derail us somewhere late. Either to a shitty Florida or a shitty Auburn. In typical Arkansas fashion it will be Missouri. This is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 24, 2023, 05:02 PMThis is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
While that may be technically true, it's only because of how unbelievable our schedule has been in recent years. We are still a Top 10 toughest schedule in the nation this year.
Your statement is like being the tallest midget.
We ain't beating Bama AT Bama.
7-5
Quote from: Son of Spam on Aug 24, 2023, 07:08 PMWe ain't beating Bama AT Bama.
Haven't you heard? Saban ain't got it anymore. Kirby done reached down his throat and yanked out his soul. Between that and NIL, he's likely to retire mid-season. They'll be lucky to make a bowl game.
We win more than we lose.
We go to a warm bowl game.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Aug 24, 2023, 07:08 PMWe ain't beating Bama AT Bama.
Or best shot was two years ago. We played out of our minds and still couldn't get it done.
Quote from: bigpale on Aug 24, 2023, 12:55 PMIf you had to pick one, who would you rather beat? Ole Miss has been the team we've gone back and forth with since Pittman got here. A&M is that little ankle-biter that we should beat but have stepped on our own feet too many times. We might not play them annually after this year, so I'd like to send them packing with an L.
A&M. 100%
My emotions can't take watching Petrino carve up our secondary.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Aug 24, 2023, 09:46 PMA&M. 100%
My emotions can't take watching Petrino carve up our secondary.
Unless him and Jimbo are at each other's throats that's exactly what will happen
We are going to kick LSU's ass.
Outside of that...IDK.
With so many new players and coaches, it's hard for me to predict more than 8 wins until I see this team on the field.
Quote from: BASS on Aug 24, 2023, 10:30 PMUnless him and Jimbo are at each other's throats that's exactly what will happen
Petrino and Jimbo will hate each other and A&M will fall apart because of it.........but you can bet your ass it won't happen until after they play us because we are Arkansas and nothing good is ever allowed to happen to us.
7-5
I'm not going to pick specific games because Pittman has a Bert-like penchant for losing some he shouldn't and winning some he shouldn't.
I think we'll win at least one in the brutal 4 game stretch of LSU, A&M, Ole Miss and Bama, but I think we'll offset it with a dumb loss to the likes of Florida or BYU. I also think people are weirdly overlooking Mississippi State — they have Rogers back, probably the most experienced OL, and return a ton on defense. Arnett is an unknown and moving away from the Air Raid, but I think they're going to be better than people think.
At this point the A&M game is a complete write-off. Not because they're a much better team, but because we always find a way to lose that game in the dumbest fucking way possible. Same goes for the Mizzou game.
Quote from: Feral on Aug 25, 2023, 05:47 AMAt this point the A&M game is a complete write-off. Not because they're a much better team, but because we always find a way to lose that game in the dumbest fucking way possible. Same goes for the Mizzou game.
Yes. A&M and Missouri have our number. Hogs could be undefeated going into that missouri game and still have zero fire and get beat.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Aug 24, 2023, 09:46 PMA&M. 100%
My emotions can't take watching Petrino carve up our secondary again.
If A&M scores a touchdown on a very obvious 4th and 1 then I'll give up on Sam's ability to learn.
Quote from: bigpale on Aug 24, 2023, 12:55 PMIf you had to pick one, who would you rather beat? Ole Miss has been the team we've gone back and forth with since Pittman got here. A&M is that little ankle-biter that we should beat but have stepped on our own feet too many times. We might not play them annually after this year, so I'd like to send them packing with an L.
tough one - have hated Ole Miss for almost 50 years being from eastern Arkansas but recent history with A&M is like you said
I will go with beat both of those and do our annual screwup against I dunno, Florida, instead, which may happen anyway.
Quote from: Feral on Aug 25, 2023, 05:47 AM7-5
I'm not going to pick specific games because Pittman has a Bert-like penchant for losing some he shouldn't and winning some he shouldn't.
I think we'll win at least one in the brutal 4 game stretch of LSU, A&M, Ole Miss and Bama, but I think we'll offset it with a dumb loss to the likes of Florida or BYU. I also think people are weirdly overlooking Mississippi State — they have Rogers back, probably the most experienced OL, and return a ton on defense. Arnett is an unknown and moving away from the Air Raid, but I think they're going to be better than people think.
At this point the A&M game is a complete write-off. Not because they're a much better team, but because we always find a way to lose that game in the dumbest fucking way possible. Same goes for the Mizzou game.
Mississippi State returns four starters on defense. Unless those guys each weigh 500 lbs they don't return a ton.
That doesn't mean they won't beat us. But if they do it won't be because they are more talented.
9-3
W - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina (in Little Rock)
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
L - Sept. 23 — at LSU
L - Sept. 30 — Texas A&M (in Arlington, Texas)
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
L - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
W - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Quote from: Feral on Aug 25, 2023, 05:47 AM7-5
I'm not going to pick specific games because Pittman has a Bert-like penchant for losing some he shouldn't and winning some he shouldn't.
There's no possible way we'll lose to some Bible college no matter how bad we are.
Quote from: Feral on Aug 25, 2023, 05:47 AMI think we'll win at least one in the brutal 4 game stretch of LSU, A&M, Ole Miss and Bama, but I think we'll offset it with a dumb loss to the likes of Florida or BYU. I also think people are weirdly overlooking Mississippi State — they have Rogers back, probably the most experienced OL, and return a ton on defense. Arnett is an unknown and moving away from the Air Raid, but I think they're going to be better than people think.
Plus they have an off week before us and we'll be coming out of Tuscaloosa having played 8 straight weeks.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 24, 2023, 05:02 PM[Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 24, 2023, 05:02 PMW - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
W - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
W - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Highly unlikely we go undefeated so our first loss will be late in the season. I figure an injury or two will derail us somewhere late. Either to a shitty Florida or a shitty Auburn. In typical Arkansas fashion it will be Missouri. This is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
W - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
W - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Highly unlikely we go undefeated so our first loss will be late in the season. I figure an injury or two will derail us somewhere late. Either to a shitty Florida or a shitty Auburn. In typical Arkansas fashion it will be Missouri. This is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 24, 2023, 05:02 PMW - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
W - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
W - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Highly unlikely we go undefeated so our first loss will be late in the season. I figure an injury or two will derail us somewhere late. Either to a shitty Florida or a shitty Auburn. In typical Arkansas fashion it will be Missouri. This is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
Favorable? In what conceivable way?
We're gonna get beat to hell physically in that five game stretch and then be too banged up to finish strong against the weaker back end.
7-5 is as optimistic as I can get.
Damn. A quote within the same quote and then quoted again. I think that's a woopig first.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Aug 25, 2023, 10:26 AMW - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
W - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
W - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Highly unlikely we go undefeated so our first loss will be late in the season. I figure an injury or two will derail us somewhere late. Either to a shitty Florida or a shitty Auburn. In typical Arkansas fashion it will be Missouri. This is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
Favorable? In what conceivable way?
We're gonna get beat to hell physically in that five game stretch and then be too banged up to finish strong against the weaker back end.
7-5 is as optimistic as I can get.
Other teams are getting beat to hell as well.
Ole Miss plays us a week after LSU and Alabama in consecutive games.
Auburn flat out sucks. They shouldn't beat us regardless. I like their trajectory going forward with Freeze as a recruiter, but he's got a roster full of dogshit right now.
Miss State replaced a legendary coach with a very unusual system with a guy who's never been a head coach, who is changing that offensive system without the personnel to do so. They also lost 8 starters from a pretty decent defense.
If we beat all the teams who should be less talented this year, we go 9-3 at worst. We are better than Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, Florida, and Missouri. If we go 7-5 this year, with a senior all-SEC QB and one of the top RBs in the country, then we've likely seen the peak of what Pittman can accomplish, and it may be time to start planning his exit strategy.
8-4 would be a really good year.
Freeze beat us with a Liberty roster. Granted, he recruited them, but I wouldn't overlook him in year 1 at Auburn.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 25, 2023, 11:00 AMFreeze beat us with a Liberty roster. Granted, he recruited them, but I wouldn't overlook him in year 1 at Auburn.
He also lost to Burt three times with a much better roster than he'll have this year, while we had a team that was at best equally talented versus what we have now.
I don't understand the talk about talent. Sanders and KJ are good. Have some serviceable pieces doubt there's that much NFL talent on our roster. Not as much as the roster who beat Ole Miss and Freeze in OT.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 25, 2023, 11:05 AMHe also lost to Burt three times with a much better roster than he'll have this year, while we had a team that was at best equally talented versus what we have now.
Burt ain't coaching here, so what's the point of that? He beat us in his first two years there with shitty rosters full of Nutt leftovers. 2015 was that 1-point OT game and 2016 was a 4-point win at home, both games that could have gone either way. We only had one (somehow) convincing win with the 30-0 win at Arkansas, and they ended that season ranked #17 by the AP... with that hilarious Peach (?) bowl against TCU.
Overlooking the motherfucker is EXACTLY how Liberty kicked our ass, but you do you and I'll hope Sam isn't following that example.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 25, 2023, 11:12 AMBurt ain't coaching here, so what's the point of that? He beat us in his first two years there with shitty rosters full of Nutt leftovers. 2015 was that 1-point OT game and 2016 was a 4-point win at home, both games that could have gone either way. We only had one (somehow) convincing win with the 30-0 win at Arkansas, and they ended that season ranked #17 by the AP... with that hilarious Peach (?) bowl against TCU.
Overlooking the motherfucker is EXACTLY how Liberty kicked our ass, but you do you and I'll hope Sam isn't following that example.
I hope we aren't overlooking them, but those Ole Miss rosters were much better than what Auburn has. For that matter Liberty's roster last year was better than what we'll face on November 4th.
And I hope to God Sam is a better coach than Burt. He's damn sure proven it to this point.
Miss St is going to be like us in 2012 with much more tragic circumstances. Great QB and a hot mess all around him
Slightly off topic but the discussion about Freeze got me curious. There have been two coaches since World War II who have finished their Ole Miss careers with a winning record against Arkansas. I'll pay the Woopig dues through the end of the year for the first member who can name both of them.
SLIGHT HINT: there were eleven Ole Miss coaches total who faced Arkansas in that time frame.
Didn't they clean up in the portal? I thought I remember seeing something like that. But then again, I don't care enough to look into the going ons of the plainstiggereaglemens.
Vaught's gotta be one of them.
Without the interwebs I can't think of the other. Matt Luke was the coach during our Chaggie years wasn't he? He'd have the easiest odds.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 25, 2023, 11:45 AMSlightly off topic but the discussion about Freeze got me curious. There have been two coaches since World War II who have finished their Ole Miss careers with a winning record against Arkansas. I'll pay the Woopig dues through the end of the year for the first member who can name both of them.
SLIGHT HINT: there were eleven Ole Miss coaches total who faced Arkansas in that time frame.
Johnny Vaught and f'ing Matt Luke. Thanks Chad!
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Aug 25, 2023, 12:05 PMJohnny Vaught and f'ing Matt Luke. Thanks Chad!
Ding ding.
Billy Brewer, Cutcliffe, and Diana's husband all went .500. Freezu$ and Kiffin were each below .500 during one of the weakest periods in our history.
What I gather from this thread is everyone else got better and the Hogs are barely as good as they were last year.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Aug 25, 2023, 01:49 AMWith so many new players and coaches, it's hard for me to predict more than 8 wins until I see this team on the field.
Agreed...7-5 is my current limit...and I Love me some Dan Enos...after BYU we should have a good idea of the ceiling
If we have to run the flexbone, I want to see the running backs used creatively. That's where our strength is and they can all catch the ball. Run it and pass it to them until they stop us. Enos is a major upgrade over Briles, so I expect our offense to be potent.
We lost 4 games by 9 points with the worst defense in history so the defense can't help but be improved. They're talking about a big hitting freshman LB who knocked Rocket on his ass(video is out there). The transfer LBs are all upgrades on what we had. We have SEC size on the DL which will help keep the LBs clean. I'm hoping we'll have some DBs that can stay within 10 yards this year.
9-3 is the low end of what I'll be happy with.
That freshman LB will hardly see the field if at all. Enos kinda screams retread at this point but still better than Briles. 9-3 would be SEC COTY.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 25, 2023, 01:23 PMWhat I gather from this thread is everyone else got better and the Hogs are barely as good as they were last year.
We'll have a better defense, but our WR are TBD and our OL is MIA.
I guess it's good we have a QB who can make things happen when the play breaks down, because it's going to break down a lot I think.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 25, 2023, 02:18 PMEnos kinda screams retread
It took me a couple of re-readings.
We are not going to beat A&M or LSU. We all know Bobby and what he can do. Look what he almost did to us with Missouri State...he has this game circled w/ much better weapons this time. LSU may seriously win it all this year.
Heart wants to say 9-3 but head says 7-5. OL concerns being the root of the discrepancy. If OL shows up, I think Rocket has a McFadden-like year.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 25, 2023, 01:23 PMWhat I gather from this thread is everyone else got better and the Hogs are barely as good as they were last year.
We're also not going to win another game this year.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 25, 2023, 02:18 PMThat freshman LB will hardly see the field if at all. Enos kinda screams retread at this point but still better than Briles. 9-3 would be SEC COTY.
So what's your prediction Nostradumbass?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Aug 25, 2023, 03:20 PMSo what's your prediction Nostradumbass?
I said 8-4 you fat, nasty piece of shit. That's barring injuries.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 25, 2023, 10:52 AMOther teams are getting beat to hell as well.
Ole Miss plays us a week after LSU and Alabama in consecutive games.
Auburn flat out sucks. They shouldn't beat us regardless. I like their trajectory going forward with Freeze as a recruiter, but he's got a roster full of dogshit right now.
Miss State replaced a legendary coach with a very unusual system with a guy who's never been a head coach, who is changing that offensive system without the personnel to do so. They also lost 8 starters from a pretty decent defense.
If we beat all the teams who should be less talented this year, we go 9-3 at worst. We are better than Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, Florida, and Missouri. If we go 7-5 this year, with a senior all-SEC QB and one of the top RBs in the country, then we've likely seen the peak of what Pittman can accomplish, and it may be time to start planning his exit strategy.
Agree, except I recall Freeze beating us last year with Liberty talent.
Not sure Auburn is that depleated.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 25, 2023, 03:23 PMI said 8-4 you fat, nasty piece of shit. That's barring injuries.
I just wanted your bitch ass to be on record. You said it would be a great year. You didn't say it was your prediction.
Now get back to fantasizing about DJ stink holing your wife.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Aug 25, 2023, 03:30 PMI just wanted your bitch ass to be on record. You said it would be a great year. You didn't say it was your prediction.
Now get back to fantasizing about DJ stink holing your wife.
Said really good. Not great. Not that a fat, sloppy fucker like you knows anything about sports. The Woopig DC posters are all absolutely unhinged. What is with you people?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 25, 2023, 03:33 PMSaid really good. Not great. Not that a fat, sloppy fucker like you knows anything about sports. The Woopig DC posters are all absolutely unhinged. What is with you people?
Noticed your bitch ass didn't deny your fantasy.
I live in Maryland. You would think a refined person such as yourself would know the difference.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 25, 2023, 02:12 PMIf we have to run the flexbone, I want to see the running backs used creatively. That's where our strength is and they can all catch the ball. Run it and pass it to them until they stop us. Enos is a major upgrade over Briles, so I expect our offense to be potent.
We lost 4 games by 9 points with the worst defense in history so the defense can't help but be improved. They're talking about a big hitting freshman LB who knocked Rocket on his ass(video is out there). The transfer LBs are all upgrades on what we had. We have SEC size on the DL which will help keep the LBs clean. I'm hoping we'll have some DBs that can stay within 10 yards this year.
9-3 is the low end of what I'll be happy with.
Unless a similar, but opposite event happened at some other point during fall camp, that freshman LB was on the receiving end of a nasty pop by Rocket. Not the other way around.
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Aug 25, 2023, 03:42 PMUnless a similar, but opposite event happened at some other point during fall camp, that freshman LB was on the receiving end of a nasty pop by Rocket. Not the other way around.
Was the one where Rocket planted a dude this kid?
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/hogs-football/razorbacks-brad-spence-sam-pittman-linebacker-hit-rocket-sanders-sec-football-jd
Freeze "beat" us last year because we went into the game 100% uninspired, unfocused, and unconcerned. We fucked around and then found out.
Freeze didn't beat us, some combination of player apathy, position/coordinator coach apathy, or head coach apathy beat us last year.
I hope it's not a trend, but Pittman's tenure so far tends to see us play up or down to the level of our opponent. We'll learn this year if that's because he just needed some new coordinators, of if the problem is the big man himself.
Quote from: bigpale on Aug 25, 2023, 04:55 PMFreeze "beat" us last year because we went into the game 100% uninspired, unfocused, and unconcerned. We fucked around and then found out.
Freeze didn't beat us, some combination of player apathy, position/coordinator coach apathy, or head coach apathy beat us last year.
I hope it's not a trend, but Pittman's tenure so far tends to see us play up or down to the level of our opponent. We'll learn this year if that's because he just needed some new coordinators, of if the problem is the big man himsedn't
Got it. Freeze didn't beat us. We beat ourselves.
Quote from: bigpale on Aug 25, 2023, 04:55 PMFreeze "beat" us last year because we went into the game 100% uninspired, unfocused, and unconcerned. We fucked around and then found out.
Freeze didn't beat us, some combination of player apathy, position/coordinator coach apathy, or head coach apathy beat us last year.
that's exactly what happened. the sucking off of freeze by a segment of our fanbase is puzzling.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 25, 2023, 04:23 PMWas the one where Rocket planted a dude this kid?
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/hogs-football/razorbacks-brad-spence-sam-pittman-linebacker-hit-rocket-sanders-sec-football-jd
Nope, the plantee was a white kid and it was during an indoor practice. I hadn't seen that one. That dude looks the part for sure.
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Aug 25, 2023, 05:10 PMNope, the plantee was a white kid and it was during an indoor practice. I hadn't seen that one. That dude looks the part for sure.
Is the guy we want to look at 22 or the one who hit him low? It is too fast for me to tell who got the most of it.
Quote from: egregious on Aug 25, 2023, 05:51 PMIs the guy we want to look at 22 or the one who hit him low? It is too fast for me to tell who got the most of it.
Seven second mark, comes off the block from the right.
Quote from: Spiderham on Aug 25, 2023, 03:24 PMAgree, except I recall Freeze beating us last year with Liberty talent.
Not sure Auburn is that depleated.
Gus and Harsin recruited like shit the last few years. I'm too lazy to look, but they recruited something like 3 or 4 scholarship offensive linemen the last few years. Gus just stopped recruiting them altogether his last 2 years.
Harsin's recruiting was warmed over shit by Sun Belt standards, let alone SEC standards.
Freeze has been balling out in recruiting but he's got a long way to go to flip that roster. Cam Newton ain't walking through that door.
Quote from: Feral on Aug 25, 2023, 06:42 PMGus and Harsin recruited like shit the last few years. I'm too lazy to look, but they recruited something like 3 or 4 scholarship offensive linemen the last few years. Gus just stopped recruiting them altogether his last 2 years.
Harsin's recruiting was warmed over shit by Sun Belt standards, let alone SEC standards.
Freeze has been balling out in recruiting but he's got a long way to go to flip that roster. Cam Newton ain't walking through that door.
Liberty had more talent last year than Auburn will this year.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 25, 2023, 10:12 PMLiberty had more talent last year than Auburn will this year.
Yes, but in one offseason Auburn has turned everything around and will be head and shoulders better than the Hogs.
Quote from: egregious on Aug 25, 2023, 05:51 PMIs the guy we want to look at 22 or the one who hit him low? It is too fast for me to tell who got the most of it.
thanks, was too quick for me, which is great!
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 26, 2023, 08:18 AMYes, but in one offseason Auburn has turned everything around and will be head and shoulders better than the Hogs.
Gene Chizik says this is absurd. It takes time to build things the right way and an upstanding institution like Auburn does not believe in shortcuts.
Yes, I had to take a laugh break midway through that sentence.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 26, 2023, 08:29 AMGene Chizik says this is absurd. It takes time to build things the right way and an upstanding institution like Auburn does not believe in shortcuts.
Yes, I had to take a laugh break midway through that sentence.
Cecil would have had a helicopter to fly between services if sCam played under NIL
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Aug 25, 2023, 10:50 AMDamn. A quote within the same quote and then quoted again. I think that's a woopig first.
Blame Apple, not
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 25, 2023, 10:52 AMOther teams are getting beat to hell as well.
Ole Miss plays us a week after LSU and Alabama in consecutive games.
Auburn flat out sucks. They shouldn't beat us regardless. I like their trajectory going forward with Freeze as a recruiter, but he's got a roster full of dogshit right now.
Miss State replaced a legendary coach with a very unusual system with a guy who's never been a head coach, who is changing that offensive system without the personnel to do so. They also lost 8 starters from a pretty decent defense.
If we beat all the teams who should be less talented this year, we go 9-3 at worst. We are better than Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, Florida, and Missouri. If we go 7-5 this year, with a senior all-SEC QB and one of the top RBs in the country, then we've likely seen the peak of what Pittman can accomplish, and it may be time to start planning his exit strategy.
You seemed to have overlooked one simple fact. We are Arkansas. Ole Miss will lose those two games then play their best game of the year.
We should beat Auburn at home but the timing of the Mississippi State game concerns me more than anything. We could be way up and play Alabama close loss, then come out flat against the leghumpers at home.
The next time we beat Florida in the Swamp will of course be the first and there is always fuckery afoot there.
Here's a link to the helmet schedule in case you don't already have it somewhere.
https://fbschedules.com/helmets/fbs/2023-sec-helmet-schedule.pdf
That Mississippi State game will be tough, as we'll come off of that brutal stretch, while they will have played Western Michigan and had an off week coming into Fayetteville.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Aug 26, 2023, 10:47 AMHere's a link to the helmet schedule in case you don't already have it somewhere.
https://fbschedules.com/helmets/fbs/2023-sec-helmet-schedule.pdf
That Mississippi State game will be tough, as we'll come off of that brutal stretch, while they will have played Western Michigan and had an off week coming into Fayetteville.
Yeah worst scenario for them, they might be as bad as 2-4 coming into our game, needing to win four of their final six games to make a bowl, and none of those being guaranteed losses. They could be looking at us as the game to turn their season around.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Aug 26, 2023, 10:47 AMHere's a link to the helmet schedule in case you don't already have it somewhere.
https://fbschedules.com/helmets/fbs/2023-sec-helmet-schedule.pdf
That Mississippi State game will be tough, as we'll come off of that brutal stretch, while they will have played Western Michigan and had an off week coming into Fayetteville.
Quote from: bigpale on Aug 26, 2023, 11:04 AMYeah worst scenario for them, they might be as bad as 2-4 coming into our game, needing to win four of their final six games to make a bowl, and none of those being guaranteed losses. They could be looking at us as the game to turn their season around.
four tough games against good teams where we might go 1-3 at best and that fifth game, against a not good team, is also going to be really tough because 1) we just played four really tough teams and 2) they may suck and have their backs against the wall and be in a must win situation? Is that about right?
we will be lucky to be 2-4 after week 6 it seems.
6-6
I'm wrong almost as much as htl. I hope I'm wrong.
10
That 4 game stretch will doom us.
6-6 is the ceiling.
Thanks, SEC.
Ed Harris says fuck your pessimism...
I'd like to have my vote stricken from the record
Quote from: Feral on Aug 25, 2023, 05:47 AM7-5
I'm not going to pick specific games because Pittman has a Bert-like penchant for losing some he shouldn't and winning some he shouldn't.
I think we'll win at least one in the brutal 4 game stretch of LSU, A&M, Ole Miss and Bama, but I think we'll offset it with a dumb loss to the likes of Florida or BYU.
No way in hell I'm reposting mine. What a moron.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 17, 2023, 04:12 PMNo way in hell I'm reposting mine. What a moron.
To be fair, I predicted a dumb loss to BYU and yet I still feel like an huge idiot for predicting 7-5.
I'm struggling to find a path to a bowl game with how our offense is playing and our coaches are responding to situational football.
No way in hell we go 4-4 in conference play and I don't see 3-5 either. More than likely we end up 2-6 in the SEC to finish 5-7.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 04:50 PMTo be fair, I predicted a dumb loss to BYU and yet I still feel like an huge idiot for predicting 7-5.
I'm struggling to find a path to a bowl game with how our offense is playing and our coaches are responding to situational football.
No way in hell we go 4-4 in conference play and I don't see 3-5 either. More than likely we end up 2-6 in the SEC to finish 5-7.
https://youtu.be/Q0AUm-vXdkw?si=X2SnDpMipprCrppr
I voted 7-5. I had confidence in Sam to have our oline ready due to his pedigree.
And I had confidence in enos based on what he did with ba.
I was hopeful it defense would improve enough to get to mid level sec quality. Jury is still out on that until we play better competition, alright we are better than last year by a mile, that isn't saying much. But I whiffed on my first two hopes.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 17, 2023, 04:50 PMa huge idiot for predicting 7-5.
As long as I am here you are not the hugest.
not grammatically correct but captures the magnitude
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 24, 2023, 05:02 PMW - Sept. 2 — Western Carolina
W - Sept. 9 — Kent State
W - Sept. 16 — BYU
W - Sept. 23 — at LSU
W Sept. 30 — Texas A&M
W - Oct. 7 — at Ole Miss
W - Oct. 14 — at Alabama
W - Oct. 21 — Mississippi State
W - Nov. 4 — at Florida
L - Nov. 11 — Auburn
W - Nov. 18 — Florida International
W - Nov. 25 — Missouri
Highly unlikely we go undefeated so our first loss will be late in the season. I figure an injury or two will derail us somewhere late. Either to a shitty Florida or a shitty Auburn. In typical Arkansas fashion it will be Missouri. This is one of the more favorable schedules we have had in years.
The only thing I was right about is how favorable the schedule is. No bigger dumbass than me. I'm done.
I had already revised my 8-4 to 6-6.
I'd like to now resubmit at 5-7.
After the first 2 games, I told people I thought they might win 1 or 2 conference games. After the BYU game, I am not sure there is a game left on the schedule they can win.
I fully expect us to win 1 or 2 we shouldn't while getting our teeth kicked in here and there and dropping another we shouldn't.
It's the Nutt Bert Pittman way.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 18, 2023, 08:09 AMThe big questions are whether Yurachek:
1) has the balls to move on from Pittman given that he's the one who hired him and then gave him a huge raise after 1 good year.
2) has the balls to turn over coaches right as we enter another conference expansion. Both OU and Texas seem to have found their guys for now, and A&M fires guys for what we extended Pittman for.
I've never been a huge fan of Yurachek's for a couple of reasons, and I'm not bullish on him turning this thing around.
Goddamn read more post fucking less. Yurachek is the best AD we've ever had by a country mile. He won't hesitate to move on if we win 4-5 games this year.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 18, 2023, 08:11 AMGoddamn read more post fucking less. Yurachek is the best AD we've ever had by a country mile. He won't hesitate to move on if we win 4-5 games this year.
I knew we would find common ground at some point.
Quote from: Jostlyn mcCocksack on Aug 25, 2023, 02:10 PMAgreed...7-5 is my current limit...and I Love me some Dan Enos...after BYU we should have a good idea of the ceiling
And I'm saying 5-7
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 18, 2023, 06:04 AMThe only thing I was right about is how favorable the schedule is. No bigger dumbass than me. I'm done.
Except you were not at all right about the favorability.
I mean, did you even look at it?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 19, 2023, 12:35 AMExcept you were not at all right about the favorability.
I mean, did you even look at it?
So the schedule this year isn't favorable? That is what you believe?
I said 6-6, but I am leaning 3-9, maybe 4-8. Chad levels are here again.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 19, 2023, 05:33 AMSo the schedule this year isn't favorable? That is what you believe?
The stretch coming up is tough, but I agree its favorable compared to other years. Mississippi State and Auburn are both down. Alabama appears to be well below championship levels. Missouri is Missouri...anytime we've lost to them it's been more of a function of us not taking the game seriously or playing poorly than them being any good. Florida isn't as good as the other times we've played them in their stadium. Ole Miss looks to be on the upswing a bit, but we catch them after they've played Alabama and LSU in consecutive weeks.
The schedule isn't exactly favorable, but it's about as good as we're ever going to get, particularly in a year where we have a senior QB, a returning all-SEC RB, and apparently a much improved defense. If we can't capitalize now, we likely never will under Pittman.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 19, 2023, 08:14 AMThe stretch coming up is tough, but I agree its favorable compared to other years. Mississippi State and Auburn are both down. Alabama appears to be well below championship levels. Missouri is Missouri...anytime we've lost to them it's been more of a function of us not taking the game seriously or playing poorly than them being any good. Florida isn't as good as the other times we've played them in their stadium. Ole Miss looks to be on the upswing a bit, but we catch them after they've played Alabama and LSU in consecutive weeks.
The schedule isn't exactly favorable, but it's about as good as we're ever going to get, particularly in a year where we have a senior QB, a returning all-SEC RB, and apparently a much improved defense.
It's definitely an "as good as it gets" type of schedule in the modern era with the SEC looking out of sorts this season.
I said 7-5 at the beginning of the year given some of the question marks (which have objectively turned into red flags). I'm not sure that's feasible anymore since we'd have to go .500 in conference play to achieve that.
After taking another look at our schedule, there's still a
fairly clear path to 6-6. Win one of the next 4 and you only have to split the stretch run of Auburn, Florida, State, and Mizzou, 3 of which are at home.
It's all predicated on this 4 game stretch. Go 0-fer and this team likely falls apart and finishes 4-8. Win 1 we otherwise shouldn't and a bowl is still in play. Still a disappointment but not a total disaster.
Byu is capable of being 3-5 in the sec so losing to them is about like losing to Miss State or Missouri but you deal with it, tell yourself the aforementioned stuff...then on to our rape date.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 19, 2023, 08:30 AMIt's all predicated on this 4 game stretch. Go 0-fer and this team likely falls apart and finishes 4-8. Win 1 we otherwise shouldn't and a bowl is still in play. Still a disappointment but not a total disaster.
This stretch alone is enough to make it unfavorable. We could go 0-fer and/or be physically and mentally beat up and have no gas left in the tank for the "easy" part.
The latter part includes games at a place we've never won against a team we've beaten once in 10 tries, one team that has beaten us 7 of the last 10 (usually by being more physical) and another team we routinely step on our dicks against and that has beaten us 7 of the last 9.
I said 7-5 was the ceiling, and that assumed beating BYU. Now I think 6-6 would be a minor miracle.
Quote from: animal on Sep 19, 2023, 09:12 AMByu is capable of being 3-5 in the sec so losing to them is about like losing to Miss State or Missouri but you deal with it, tell yourself the aforementioned stuff...then on to our rape date.
Are they?
Does that mean Kansas would win it? Kansas is a 9.5 point favorite over BYU this weekend. Beating us at home doesn't carry any respect.
LSU = Not as good as anyone thought they would be to start the season. They are been better at times over the last 5 years.
Texas A&M = no better than they have been every other year. We always should beat them but end up losing
Ole Miss = They may be better but so far they look no different than any other year
Alabama = Clearly down and beatable.
Those are the the teams we play in this four game stretch. That is not overly tough of a stretch for a good team to navigate.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 19, 2023, 11:09 AMnot overly tough of a stretch for a good team to navigate.
Where can we find one of those?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 19, 2023, 11:20 AMWhere can we find one of those?
Someone mentioned Kansas in another thread.
Quote from: mde114 on Sep 19, 2023, 11:07 AMAre they?
Does that mean Kansas would win it? Kansas is a 9.5 point favorite over BYU this weekend. Beating us at home doesn't carry any respect.
Hey hey lets not go stroking off Ku just yet. Well traveling for road games in consecutive weeks is hard on any Mormon.
Quote from: animal on Sep 19, 2023, 01:00 PMHey hey lets not go stroking off Ku just yet. Well traveling for road games in consecutive weeks is hard on any Mormon.
Don't worry, I jinxed them right above you.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 19, 2023, 11:09 AMLSU = Not as good as anyone thought they would be to start the season. They are been better at times over the last 5 years.
Texas A&M = no better than they have been every other year. We always should beat them but end up losing
Ole Miss = They may be better but so far they look no different than any other year
Alabama = Clearly down and beatable.
Those are the the teams we play in this four game stretch. That is not overly tough of a stretch for a good team to navigate.
Before the season, none of that was expected other than aTm. And now that we see what we have, there's no reason to think those teams won't still have enough to beat us at their home fields (and JerryWorld) even if they're no different or down. We needed to step up but instead stepped down.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 19, 2023, 08:59 PMBefore the season, none of that was expected other than aTm. And now that we see what we have, there's no reason to think those teams won't still have enough to beat us at their home fields (and JerryWorld) even if they're no different or down. We needed to step up but instead stepped down.
I expected it. But then, I expected Arkansas to be good too. So, wtf do I know. We will always be slightly worse than most of the teams we play. That is what I've come to realize over the last 5 days.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 20, 2023, 05:45 AMI expected it. But then, I expected Arkansas to be good too. So, wtf do I know. We will always be slightly worse than most of the teams we play. That is what I've come to realize over the last 5 days.
Except we weren't slightly worse than BYU. We doubled them up on yards and only lost because of a few critical bone headed decisions, and one piss poor OL.
I'll accept that we're just a little outclassed when we go out there and play great football and lose by a field goal.
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 20, 2023, 07:37 AMExcept we weren't slightly worse than BYU. We doubled them up on yards and only lost because of a few critical bone headed decisions, and one piss poor OL.
I'll accept that we're just a little outclassed when we go out there and play great football and lose by a field goal.
Well, BYU beat us. So, we are slightly worse than BYU.
At some point, if you want to be considered good, you have to win. And we don't win at any rate that would indicate that we are anything better than 12-14 in the league.
Frank got shit for what he said but he was spot on correct; we are 8th or 9th (with expansion it is now 10th or 11th) in potential. 40 years fucking proves that true.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 20, 2023, 08:07 AMWell, BYU beat us. So, we are slightly worse than BYU.
At some point, if you want to be considered good, you have to win. And we don't win at any rate that would indicate that we are anything better than 12-14 in the league.
Frank got shit for what he said but he was spot on correct; we are 8th or 9th (with expansion it is now 10th or 11th) in potential. 40 years fucking proves that true.
30 but who's counting.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 20, 2023, 09:59 AM30 but who's counting.
30 years vs 40 years of true suck. I still don't think those additional 10 years really help a whole lot. Losing to Texas and the bowl games. Again, do just enough to feel like a power house without actually winning the one or two games a year that truly matter.
But I agree, lets lop those off and stick to the last 30 years.
| 1992 | 3-7-1 | 3-4-1 | 4th (West) | Jack Crowe/Joe Kines | | Stats (http://arkansasrazorbacks.com/stats/football/1992/season.pdf) |
| 1991 | 6-6 | 5-3 | T-2nd | Jack Crowe | L, Independence Bowl | Stats (http://arkansasrazorbacks.com/stats/football/1991/season.pdf) |
| 1990 | 3-8 | 1-7 | 7th | Jack Crowe | | Stats (http://arkansasrazorbacks.com/stats/football/1990/season.pdf) |
| 1989 | 10-2 | 7-1 | 1st | Ken Hatfield | L, Cotton Bowl | Stats (http://arkansasrazorbacks.com/stats/football/1989/season.pdf) |
| 1988 | 10-2 | 7-0 | 1st | Ken Hatfield | L, Cotton Bowl | |
| 1987 | 9-4 | 5-2 | T-2nd | Ken Hatfield | L, Liberty Bowl | |
| 1986 | 9-3 | 6-2 | T-2nd | Ken Hatfield | L, Orange Bowl | |
| 1985 | 10-2 | 6-2 | T-2nd | Ken Hatfield | W, Holiday Bowl | |
| 1984 | 7-4-1 | 5-3 | T-3rd | Ken Hatfield | L, Liberty Bowl | |
| 1983 | 6-5 | 4-4 | 5th | Lou Holtz |
Remember when Citadel was the one that broke the camels back? Now it is almost expected.
I just meant that 30 years in the SEC proves what we are, SEC wise.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 20, 2023, 11:33 AMI just meant that 30 years in the SEC proves what we are, SEC wise.
Ah. Got it.
I should have quit the hogs in 1969 when I was 8. The Big Shootout followed by the screwing we took in the Sugar Bowl.
Followed that up with the decline in Broyles later years.
1977 Damn, we were good. Should have been National Champions even with the 13-9 loss to Texas(as usual). Notre Dame bias screwed us. A few more good years and I think Lou got bored.
Kenny was a good coach, he just couldn't beat Texas in years that we should have and got exposed in bowl games.
I prefer to block out the Crowe/Ford years.
Damn, I hate Nutt.
We're back and should be good for a while... shit.
Back to blocking it out.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 20, 2023, 12:04 PMI should have quit the hogs in 1969 when I was 8. The Big Shootout followed by the screwing we took in the Sugar Bowl.
Followed that up with the decline in Broyles later years.
1977 Damn, we were good. Should have been National Champions even with the 13-9 loss to Texas(as usual). Notre Dame bias screwed us. A few more good years and I think Lou got bored.
Kenny was a good coach, he just couldn't beat Texas in years that we should have and got exposed in bowl games.
I prefer to block out the Crowe/Ford years.
Damn, I hate Nutt.
We're back and should be good for a while... shit.
Back to blocking it out.
I think the '77 team was slightly but not a lot better than the '88 team (except maybe defensively). I know that was the UCLA debacle but it was such a letdown to be in that position after literally letting the Miami game slip through our fingers.
Other than '69, there are six seasons with at least a puncher's chance to be standing tall at the end, but we couldn't come through in the biggest moments. 1977, 1988, 1998, 2006, 2010 and 2011.
Quote from: mde114 on Sep 19, 2023, 11:07 AMBeating us at home doesn't carry any respect.
Nor should it. We have been largely irrelevant to downright pathetic since the motorcycle wreck. Sam was hired because no one wanted this job after what Bert and Chad did to the program. Until they make better head coaching hires, the football program will continue to be bad.
I saw where if Sam goes 4-8 this year his buyout drops 5 million. Basically he gets less if his overall record is losing.
He's 21-18 now. Just something to think about with Yurachek if the wheels fall off.
I think he gets a final year at 4-8 but he probably needs to win at least 5. 3-9 or 2-10 he's gone.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 20, 2023, 08:07 AMWell, BYU beat us. So, we are slightly worse than BYU.
At some point, if you want to be considered good, you have to win. And we don't win at any rate that would indicate that we are anything better than 12-14 in the league.
Frank got shit for what he said but he was spot on correct; we are 8th or 9th (with expansion it is now 10th or 11th) in potential. 40 years fucking proves that true.
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I never understood how Hog fans can feel superior to aTm or Mizzou. At some point you have to actually show it on the field. We haven't in the last 10+ years.
Quote from: red death on Sep 22, 2023, 09:51 AMI think he gets a final year at 4-8 but he probably needs to win at least 5. 3-9 or 2-10 he's gone.
If he couldn't field a team that could beat BYU at home, I don't see much hope for 5 wins. The only conference game that seems like a possible win at this point is MSU. 4-8 seems like the best case scenario unless something drastically changes.
Quote from: mde114 on Sep 22, 2023, 02:28 PM💯
I never understood how Hog fans can feel superior to aTm or Mizzou. At some point you have to actually show it on the field. We haven't in the last 10+ years.
This.
We act like A&M and Mizzou are cakewalks when they've owned us since coming into the league (or in Mizzou's case since we started playing yearly in 2014).
Shit, Mississippi State has won 8 of the last 11 against us.
The only West opponent we've held our own against, inexplicably, is Ole Miss. Bert was 4-1 against Freeze, and Pittman is 2-1 against Kiffin, and both of those guys had 10 win seasons and trips to the Sugar Bowl.
Quote from: mde114 on Sep 22, 2023, 02:28 PM💯
I never understood how Hog fans can feel superior to aTm or Mizzou. At some point you have to actually show it on the field. We haven't in the last 10+ years.
When you're markedly better than those schools over the previous 50 years it can take a while for it to sink in that the gap has evaporated. Especially when they only things that have really changed are 1) us hiring multiple terrible coaches in a row and 2) one diabeetus laden agent getting pissed that we fired his least marketable client 16 years ago and deciding to convince all his competent clients that we are a dead end job.
What a fucking sad thread this is.
Quote from: mde114 on Aug 27, 2023, 02:47 PMThat 4 game stretch will doom us.
6-6 is the ceiling.
Thanks, SEC.
Obviously, I drank the kool-aide.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 12:02 PMObviously, I drank the kool-aide.
How we could still hit 6, but 7 is impossible. That 6-win ceiling is still within reach.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 13, 2023, 12:05 PMHow we could still hit 6, but 7 is impossible. That 6-win ceiling is still within reach.
and some posters think the woopig is too negative.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 13, 2023, 12:08 PMand some posters think the woopig is too negative.
Yep. I said 7-5 was my absolute ceiling and we're likely going to be three games worse than that.
I drowned in Koolaid.