Since I'm one of his main champions around here.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/03/the-day-after-week-1-2/
This one was much shorter, and no deep stats dive (because he doesn't have them for FCS teams) but there are a couple of good nuggets.
One reminder is that Enos doesn't scheme for explosive runs and counts on YAC, which means we could see more Dominique Johnson.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 03, 2023, 05:22 PMOne reminder is that Enos doesn't scheme for explosive runs and counts on YAC, which means we could see more Dominique Johnson.
I've been thinking this since his last analysis of the Enos offense and focus on on YAC.
He specifically called out that Rocket was tops by far in the SEC last year for yards before contact, but among the lowest ranking in YAC. Conversely, Johnson led the conference in YAC in 2021.
Not to take anything away from Rocket, but we could see much more Dubinion and Johnson this season.
There's also this throw-in:
QuoteMeanwhile, Briles's TCU offense had his signature 48-second three-and-out to open the game
Quote from: Feral on Sep 03, 2023, 06:37 PMThere's also this throw-in:
Lol. I listened to that game on xm, he TCU radio crew questioned the play calling several times. I laughed.
Briles may eventually grow up and stop calling an offense like he's 10 years old playing Madden. TCU is going to score a lot of points this season regardless...their defense may not stop anybody though based on their Colorado performance.
I for one was glad to see us not resort to trick plays against a fucking FCS team.
Quote from: animal on Sep 04, 2023, 06:21 AMBriles may eventually grow up and stop calling an offense like he's 10 years old playing Madden. TCU is going to score a lot of points this season regardless...their defense may not stop anybody though based on their Colorado performance.
I for one was glad to see us not resort to trick plays against a fucking FCS team.
Not a single half-back pass, or double pass of some sort. I was sure glad to see that also.
It s
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 04, 2023, 09:34 AMNot a single half-back pass, or double pass of some sort. I was sure glad to see that also.
Or a jet sweep to the TE on the goal line with Rocket in the backfield.
Did we pass 5 yards short of the sticks on 3rd/4th and 7?
Asking for a friend.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 04, 2023, 11:48 AMDid we pass 5 yards short of the sticks on 3rd/4th and 7?
Asking for a friend.
We had more than a couple third and long plays and Enos drew up "levels" plays that had someone open short, middle, and deep. I think we converted a 3rd and 8 or so with a 12 yard gain
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/06/what-to-watch-for-against-kent-state/
Every time I see that RB screenplay that went nowhere I think Rocket could have gotten a big gain if he'd just cut upfield a little faster.
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Quote from: bigpale on Sep 06, 2023, 02:12 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/06/what-to-watch-for-against-kent-state/
Every time I see that RB screenplay that went nowhere I think Rocket could have gotten a big gain if he'd just cut upfield a little faster.
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I wonder if this was post-knee injury. Maybe he didn't have it in him to cut that sharply.
That play reminds me of Enos's first tenure here. Chaney's fat ass kept telling us for two years that we couldn't run screens because his line couldn't block for them. Enos comes in and we start hitting a couple of big ones every game it seemed, with pretty much the exact same players on the OL.
Quote from: bigpale on Sep 06, 2023, 02:12 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/06/what-to-watch-for-against-kent-state/
Every time I see that RB screenplay that went nowhere I think Rocket could have gotten a big gain if he'd just cut upfield a little faster.
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That looks like a shitty block and thus rocket runs into the defender.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 06, 2023, 10:39 PMThat looks like a shitty block and thus rocket runs into the defender.
The guy was on the ground when Rocket ran over him. That was a good block. Bad patience.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 06, 2023, 10:39 PMThat looks like a shitty block and thus rocket runs into the defender.
Not the best block by Crawford but a terrible cut/read by Rocket.
He cuts inside better and it's likely a TD. The safety had peeled off to the middle of the field, and he had Broden as a lead blocker.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 07, 2023, 06:26 AMNot the best block by Crawford but a terrible cut/read by Rocket.
He cuts inside better and it's likely a TD. The safety had peeled off to the middle of the field, and he had Broden as a lead blocker.
Yes it was there with a bit better execution between the ball carrier and the blocker...those plays are so critical with the timing being just right can't be there too soon or too late or it just won't work. You also can't run right into the block with blinders on. The more I watch that play though I'd have to say the throw was on time, Sanders was where he was supposed to be and Crawford was a bit late getting there to seal it off. It was a heck of a play by the DB too. It's a lot easier for us to sit here and say the guy should go full speed and cut damn near 90 degrees...I can see where a runner like Alex would have been a bit more patient and cut that up field.
I felt like Sanders missed a few decent gaps that he would have normally hit so maybe he tweaked the knee prior to the game or maybe in the early going.
Quote from: animal on Sep 07, 2023, 06:42 AMYes it was there with a bit better execution between the ball carrier and the blocker...those plays are so critical with the timing being just right can't be there too soon or too late or it just won't work. You also can't run right into the block with blinders on. The more I watch that play though I'd have to say the throw was on time, Sanders was where he was supposed to be and Crawford was a bit late getting there to seal it off. It was a heck of a play by the DB too. It's a lot easier for us to sit here and say the guy should go full speed and cut damn near 90 degrees...I can see where a runner like Alex would have been a bit more patient and cut that up field.
I felt like Sanders missed a few decent gaps that he would have normally hit so maybe he tweaked the knee prior to the game or maybe in the early going.
The play initially looked like some Briles bullshit that never worked. On replay, you can clearly see the play was there. Rocket made a mistake, in my estimation. Now knowing that his knee was messed up, that would certainly explain his inability to hit holes and make the yards he should have.
The receiver also is wide open down the middle for at least a first down and probably 20+ yards
Quote from: bigpale on Sep 07, 2023, 08:27 AMThe receiver also is wide open down the middle for at least a first down and probably 20+ yards
It was a called screen, and Broden's job was to block.
He was supposed to cut inside to chip the WCU linebacker, but that LB ran right into Limmer and was out of the play before the ball left KJ's hand, so Broden cut upfield to block the safety who was in the middle of the field.
Underrated smart play by Broden to read that and cut upfield to find someone else, because if Rocket makes the right cut there and avoids going down it's likely a TD because the safety in the middle of the field was the only potential tackler and Broden would've had him dead to rights.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 07, 2023, 10:26 AMIt was a called screen, and Broden's job was to block.
He was supposed to cut inside to chip the WCU linebacker, but that LB ran right into Limmer and was out of the play before the ball left KJ's hand, so Broden cut upfield to block the safety who was in the middle of the field.
Underrated smart play by Broden to read that and cut upfield to find someone else, because if Rocket makes the right cut there and avoids going down it's likely a TD because the safety in the middle of the field was the only potential tackler and Broden would've had him dead to rights.
Ahh gotcha.
Well then, it looks like a perfectly designed screen play, which we haven't run here since the last time Dan Enos was calling plays.
Interesting.
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1701054805173514525?s=46&t=Md_cCWg90hmofgoXnU1fug
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1701054809187516587?s=46&t=Md_cCWg90hmofgoXnU1fug
Quote from: Pig Benis on Sep 10, 2023, 09:10 PMInteresting.
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1701054805173514525?s=46&t=Md_cCWg90hmofgoXnU1fug
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1701054809187516587?s=46&t=Md_cCWg90hmofgoXnU1fug
So that talk that our running was better than it looked probably wasn't accurate. It was as bad as it looked.
Quote from: bigpale on Sep 10, 2023, 10:04 PMSo that talk that our running was better than it looked probably wasn't accurate. It was as bad as it looked.
I feel bad for the guy. He ran the data he had from the UA and framed his post (and tweets) based on that.
Then it turns out the data was fucked up and thus undermines his entire findings. Apparently they did it for the Western Carolina game, too.
Dumbasses in our program can't even record stats right.
Quote from: bigpale on Sep 10, 2023, 10:04 PMSo that talk that our running was better than it looked probably wasn't accurate. It was as bad as it looked.
That would make a fella a bit upset having to scrape that egg off his face. Other than the negative losses in the running game...we didn't do so bad though. :stache:
Rick Shaeffer or Karine Jean-Pierre must be the official stat keeper.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Sep 11, 2023, 08:28 AMRick Shaeffer or Karine Jean-Pierre must be the official stat keeper.
Yards Lost and Yards Gained is old and MAGA.
Yards We Planned on Making is the new BBB metric.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/11/box-score-breakdown-arkansas-28-kent-state-6/
I love this:
QuoteArkansas has gotten a first down inside the opponent 40 on 10 drives this season. All 10 have ended in touchdowns. That's quite a break from what we saw last year.
And this:
QuoteArkansas also has zero turnovers and is averaging 47 net yards per punt. Opponents have only started two drives this year past their own 35, which is amazing.
People can say "iT wAs A g5 aNd mAc TeAm" all they want, but turnovers committed and punting efficiency are stats that are largely irrespective of level/quality of opponent.
"Not counting the final, run-out-the-clock drive against Kent State, Arkansas has gotten a first down inside the opponent 40 on 10 drives this season. All 10 have ended in touchdowns."
That's encouraging. We won't really be tested on offense until we go to Red Stick at night. That said, the last time Dan Enos coached our offense vs LSU in a night game we steamrolled them.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 11, 2023, 02:35 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/11/box-score-breakdown-arkansas-28-kent-state-6/
"Despite trailing 7-3, the Golden Flashes began the second quarter with possession and a 58% chance to win."
Well see, in reality, they had about a 5% chance to win. No knowledgeable bettor or linemaker in the country would have favored Kent at that point.
I am volunteering tutoring for the GED. Those negative numbers mess people up!
Quote from: Feral on Sep 11, 2023, 03:26 PMI love this:
And this:
People can say "iT wAs A g5 aNd mAc TeAm" all they want, but turnovers committed and punting efficiency are stats that are largely irrespective of level/quality of opponent.
Tounovers committed is directionally proportional to quality of opponent.
Quote from: FNG on Sep 11, 2023, 10:39 AMYards Lost and Yards Gained is old and MAGA.
Yards We Planned on Making is the new BBB metric.
Gotta love government bailout yardage.
Short BYU preview. Not much to it but he says the full previews will begin next week.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/15/what-to-watch-for-against-byu/
BYU postmortem from Fayette Villains just dropped. Fair warning - it isn't pretty.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/17/the-day-after-week-3-2/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/17/the-day-after-week-3-2/)
Cliff's notes:
- there are a ton of parallels to our 2015 start, and this game had a lot of similarities to Toledo
- OL is bad, we can't throw down the field because of it, and if it doesn't turn around the season is going to be a disaster
- we probably should've paid Briles
- Enos has largely been mediocre to bad in his stints as OC
- it might be time to move on from Pittman
Interesting take on Odom's UNLV....
Innovative modernized Gus offense
You could maybe sell Odom to the yokels in Arkansas but it would probably need a couple seasons of decent UNLV wins to wash off his last year here.
It's also possible dude is implying when Gus comes to save us the OC could be this dude at UNLV.
It won't get this bad but I guess it's possible they could pull the plug on Enos' play calling and give over to someone like Kenny Guiton and reintroduce some Briles stuff the remainder of the season. That only happens if the house is on fire.
This Enos offense is probably better with Jacoby under center right now...but I'm parsing
why anyone would think malzahn would coach at arkansas is puzzling. he has literally shit on the program the last two times he was 'considered'. pretty obvious to me he hates the arkansas razorbacks.
if the good old money fellas get a say again, it will be a winner and a fighter before gus.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2023, 01:34 PMwhy anyone would think malzahn would coach at arkansas is puzzling. he has literally shit on the program the last two times he was 'considered'. pretty obvious to me he hates the arkansas razorbacks.
if the good old money fellas get a say again, it will be a winner and a fighter before gus.
money, he can't make at UCF what he could make here.
Never underestimate a crazy wife.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 18, 2023, 01:47 PMmoney, he can't make at UCF what he could make here.
people said the same thing the last two times his name up.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 18, 2023, 01:54 PMNever underestimate a crazy wife.
his wife talked long shit about arkansas. but hey, i guess she was spotted looking at houses, lol.
It's such an Arkansas thing that, of all the "Arkansas coaches that got away" (Bear, Johnson, Tubberville, Butch Davis, Gus Malzahn) it's Gus that the good old boys seem fixated on rectifying. Gus, who is the least successful of the list.
The longer the Pittman era goes the less likely they'll be movers and shakers with moving and shaking abilities to make a Gus hire happen who hasn't been relevant in 10+ years. Really some of that talk is just us girls giving boogy man talk.
As has been talked about already...Arkansas hasn't had a serious football coaching hiring/search in decades. We literally go to committees, pay outside consultants that offer the same shit message board people come up with, listen to Quinn Grovy or a ex-razorback golfer chick that knows a guy who knows a guy. That's been our search and hiring process. Pittman was hired at the urging of former players who wanted their guy to get his shot.
I'm going to be talking out of my ass here but I'm betting the last coaching search came down to Kiffin as the top option, the Tulane coach as a 2nd option, and Pittman might have been a backup plan...the trial balloons were floated and nobody liked and/or was willing to pay Kiffin, never heard of Fritz.
Whenever we move on from Pittman I think NIL has shown us a roster can be flipped rapidly. I think Pittman has done a reasonably good job of bringing talent into the program so I'm not ready to necessarily throw in the towel but I think you come to a point where you are who you are and Pittman is probably going to be a max 8 or 9 win coach. This season is looking like 6 or 7 will be a stretch. You look at the roster and we look pretty damn decent everywhere but offensive line. It's maddening.
Do I like Malzahn, no. Is he a better coach than anyone we've had since Petrino, yes. Hire him if we get a chance.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2023, 02:03 PMpeople said the same thing the last two times his name up.
his wife talked long shit about arkansas. but hey, i guess she was spotted looking at houses, lol.
We never came up with enough money for anything other than to get him a raise elsewhere. Gus would take our job now that he's at a lesser program. He wasn't leaving Auburn for Arkansas or any similar job.
Hiring Gus would piss me off almost as much as if they decided to bring Nutt back. No thanks.
I think the worst thing you could do is to hire somebody staring at retirement. It's going to be interesting to see how Pittman handles the adversity he's about to see. Certainly going to be a lot of aw shucks, it's on me, I have to do better. I think there's going to be opportunity to lash out to our terrorist fans. Could see pulling a Bert and just mail it in on cold beers.
If he's serious about his job and winning, he'll fire Kennedy Sunday morning and step in to coach.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 18, 2023, 03:20 PMI think the worst thing you could do is to hire somebody staring at retirement. It's going to be interesting to see how Pittman handles the adversity he's about to see. Certainly going to be a lot of aw shucks, it's on me, I have to do better. I think there's going to be opportunity to lash out to our terrorist fans. Could see pulling a Bert and just mail it in on cold beers.
If he's serious about his job and winning, he'll fire Kennedy Sunday morning and step in to coach.
Think it depends on the coach and situation there are some of examples of older coaches doing semi well in there retirement gigs.
mack brown is a current example
Spurrier and Holtz at South Carolina were moderate successes.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 18, 2023, 03:20 PMI think the worst thing you could do is to hire somebody staring at retirement.
Especially since that's literally what we have right now.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2023, 03:27 PMThink it depends on the coach and situation there are some of examples of older coaches doing semi well in there retirement gigs.
mack brown is a current example
Spurrier and Holtz at South Carolina were moderate successes.
Spurrier was more like Bama hiring Saban (not comparing the success of the two). He still had a lot left in the tank.
Holtz is more to your point, and he deserves a ton of credit for turning South Carolina from doormat to middle of the pack, despite being as old as he was. Mack Brown is another. Good coaches (who still have the drive) are good coaches, no matter their age, but it doesn't matter how old you get, if you suck at your job, it's not going to get any better. Dale hasn't gotten any wiser over the years.
Jesus. The only people who talk about Gus are those found on Sports Boards.
Can anyone name one "mover and shaker" that would push for Gus?
The "Good Ole Boy" talk is really tiring. I don't think HY makes his moves based on some imaginary GOB network. Frank didn't, nor did Jeff Long. It is silly talk to keep bringing it up as if it is facts.
What's really interesting in message board lore is there has always been one or two coaches that are unicorns that Arkansas has never landed and never will or in some cases could have taken later in their careers but didn't. Then we have the GOBN that's absolutely real or at least it was. I don't know that I buy it now but certainly while Paw Paw was still upright and running things and then after with Jeff Long I felt like we had a number of pencil dick assistant ADs pulling down salaries and doing nothing. A few have went on to run their own schools.
During the infancy of message boards it was Jimmy Johnson. Then it was Tommy Tuberville. Then it was Butch Davis. Then it was Jon Gruden. Then it was Gus Malzahn. Then it was Cornrows which maybe doesn't count because supposedly "we" never really truly wanted him "they" would have us believe. Toss in a few other favorites like Mike Leach and I'm probably forgetting a few but those are the ones that come to mind.
Gus has left us at the alter at least twice and didn't lose a nights sleep over it. That should tell you all you need to know about that motherfucker.
Are we blowing this out of proportion? Maybe. Pittman in my estimation does have a good team...except for one fatal flaw. Can he work some magic to over come those flaws remains to be seen. I doubt we've ever had a coaching staff in recent memory that didn't have to figure things out for one particular position group. It sucks but we are always short somewhere. This season it seems hubris has stricken us where it's going to hurt the most.
There were times last season where the sky was falling. We were never winning again EVER. We were done...DONE with this shit. Etc etc...but like some of Nutt's finest seasons we managed to get to that shitty bowl and win it. How soon we forget the 2-10 years and prayed to baby jesus to give us some 6 & 6.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2023, 04:48 PMHow soon we forget the 2-10 years and prayed to baby jesus to give us some 6 & 6.
I get what you're saying but I think, after four years, a coach has to stand on his own merits. It's no longer enough to be "not Chad Morris." That was fine in year one, when we looked like an actual team of footballers in the first half vs Georgia, before getting spanked in the second half. It was fine in year two when we looked like we had finally turned the corner only to drop a game to Auburn that we had no business losing. It was no longer fine in year three losing to Liberty. It is absolutely not fine in year four losing to BYU, especially in that fashion.
Pittman is no longer "Not Chad Morris." He is now his own man, standing on his own two feet.
He's not the guy.
This is Houston Nutt's year 2000, when it was suddenly clear to a lot of the fanbase that we hired a clown who coasted off the recruits of his predecessor. He's a nicer guy than Dale, a better recruiter, and has a hundred and one additional qualities that make him preferrable to Nutt, but in terms of wins and loses, Pittman isn't the guy to get us over the hump. He's going to keep us competitive, win a couple he shouldn't, lose a few he shouldn't, and just limp us along to 5-7 wins a year, with the occasional stars aligning to get us to 8-9 wins and yet another contract extension.
I looked it up and Frank Broyles and Houston Nutt are our only 2 coaches who ever got to 10 wins in any year after not getting there in their first 4 here. Broyles was 9-2, 9-3, & 8-3 in years 2,3, & 4, so he was going good. Nutt was, well, Nutt.
Mostly nobody has ever gotten much of a chance to stay longer than 4 years without some significant winning.
I am opposite prognostication guy so get ready to celebrate our 9 or 10 win season!
There are dynamics which make it more difficult to fairly grade Pittman in his fourth year or perhaps any 2020/covid year hires.
Namely he inherited a bunch of lineman that were more or less talented enough to not run off...often times at the expense of a roster position that would have been good for development. The ugly part now is if it weren't for the two redshirt seniors Limmer and Latham (Chad era recruits) I shutter to think what this line would consist of. Well it could be argued we would be better off having moved on from at least Latham who didn't impress last season either.
Since our problems seem to be squarely on strength & conditioning and offensive line. We addressed the S&C coach in the off-season which thus far doesn't seem to have resolved the issue.
Lets look at the Pittman era lineman that are currently on the team. (this ignores anyone that's already portaled out)
Sr-Crawford (transferred from Charlotte) and has failed to earn a starting role
So-Chamblee (starter, too soon to grade)
Fr-Harris (too soon to grade but evidently has fallen down the depth chart)
So-Manuel (too soon to grade but not looking too good)
So-Kutas (starting, but I wouldn't say he's overly impressive to date)
Jr-Braun (portal guy from Florida, starting but really hasn't done anything to make anyone mistake him for legit SEC starter)
So-Wiggins (portal guy that's apparently the backup center)
Several others on the roster aren't really cracking the 2 deep
So-Wells (rated 4 star...not cracking the 2-deep)
So-Street (playing special teams)
So-Varhall (portal guy from Maryland)
Fr-Brown (freshman 4 star)
Fr-Patterson (east st. louis 4 star)
Fr-Su'a
Fr-Henderson (rated 3 star, recruited by a bunch of P5s)
Conclusion...we failed to develop any depth behind the Chad recruits, failed at bringing in starting quality replacements via the portal, and are legit paying for it now.
wells is likely out for the season with a pec injury.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2023, 02:19 PMPittman was hired at the urging of former players who wanted their guy to get his shot.
Given that former players gave us Nutt, Chad, and Pittman, I say we tell them collectively to shut the fuck up and sit this next coaching search out while the adults handle things.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 18, 2023, 07:32 PMGiven that former players gave us Nutt, Chad, and Pittman, I say we tell them collectively to shut the fuck up and sit this next coaching search out while the adults handle things.
Thank you.
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1703898183179387025?s=20
I don't know what EPA is but we suck at it.
Quote from: animal on Sep 18, 2023, 07:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/AdamFord92/status/1703898183179387025?s=20
I don't know what EPA is but we suck at it.
It's a measure of how starting field position and successive plays are expected to translate to points on a drive.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 18, 2023, 02:40 PMHiring Gus would piss me off almost as much as if they decided to bring Nutt back. No thanks.
It's the most Arkansas thing we could do, so it's going to fucking happen. Just remember, the Shiloh Mafia won't put up with any of your back sass, cause St Gustav the Hurried was anointed by the Baby Jesus himself. Figure it out, bud.
What, y'all wouldn't like a fumblerooski every now and then? A few flag football rope-a-dope offensive plays sprinkled in? Like the play where you have a receiver act like he's running off the field but stops and turns up field wide ass open.
Quote from: Guardrail on Sep 19, 2023, 06:39 AMWhat, y'all wouldn't like a fumblerooski every now and then? A few flag football rope-a-dope offensive plays sprinkled in? Like the play where you have a receiver act like he's running off the field but stops and turns up field wide ass open.
Whirly bird on 2
The problem is the head coach is the be all and end all for your success but most are interchangeable and can get you up to even in a few years if they have any idea what they are doing but the ones that can get you to a few years of 9 or 10 wins are scarce relative to how many jobs there are. We haven't really found one for 30 years except for one who cannot stay one place more than a few years. That might be the best we can aspire to.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 18, 2023, 07:05 PMwells is likely out for the season with a pec injury.
Wells there goes the fucking season.
Quote from: Green_lanternn on Sep 22, 2023, 02:12 PMWells there goes the fucking season.
That was one of our more athletic <insert fro here> offensive lineman so sure it's a loss.
LSU postmortem is up.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/24/the-day-after-week-4-2/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/24/the-day-after-week-4-2/)
Cliff notes:
- we made some adjustments from the BYU loss including moving the pocket, more of the fake draws to freeze the rush, and some personnel changes at WR and OL
- they went with Dubinion more because he's better at breaking tackles and YAC (which we saw last night)
- it takes the Enos offense a while to get going, and it looks like we might be catching a groove
- defense got torched in the last 31 minutes but Daniels is probably the best QB we'll face
- Pittman likely cost us the game with poor game management
- we should've let them score on the last drive
- SEC is down and wide open this year
- Adam Ford might be out on Pittman
The SEC being down is what makes this year more of a bummer. There's no reason why we shouldn't have back to back 10+ win years after the season is over, but in typical Arkansas fashion, we're just a little bit worse than everyone else.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 24, 2023, 10:31 AMLSU postmortem is up.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/24/the-day-after-week-4-2/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/24/the-day-after-week-4-2/)
Cliff notes:
- we made some adjustments from the BYU loss including moving the pocket, more of the fake draws to freeze the rush, and some personnel changes at WR and OL
- they went with Dubinion more because he's better at breaking tackles and YAC (which we saw last night)
- it takes the Enos offense a while to get going, and it looks like we might be catching a groove
- defense got torched in the last 31 minutes but Daniels is probably the best QB we'll face
- Pittman likely cost us the game with poor game management
- we should've let them score on the last drive
- SEC is down and wide open this year
- Adam Ford might be out on Pittman
kelly said in his presser that the rb was going to take a knee if we tried to let them score. said the pass out of the endzone was to stop the clock because they were out of time outs.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 24, 2023, 10:31 AM- we should've let them score on the last drive
I have it on good authority you don't do that in football.
Letting them score doesn't mean they would have. Hell, the QB could have just stood there. Even if we moved out of the way, they could have said a big FU and not scored.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 24, 2023, 11:24 AMLetting them score doesn't mean they would have. Hell, the QB could have just stood there. Even if we moved out of the way, they could have said a big FU and not scored.
exactly. kelly even said so. they wanted the clock to run and kick a fg because he didn't want jefferson to get the ball back.
so this guy either didn't listen to his presser before he wrote the article, or he just wanted to repeat the same shit other fans are bitching about.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 24, 2023, 10:38 AMkelly said in his presser that the rb was going to take a knee if we tried to let them score. said the pass out of the endzone was to stop the clock because they were out of time outs.
Before fellating Kelly and his game management tactics too much, let's consider the sequence.
That third down play took a whopping three seconds off the clock. It would have been much smarter to run a third down play with the clock moving and see if the last timeout is even needed. Plus, you'd have the luxury of getting the ball to the center of the field and taking the clock down as low as you want. Burning it after second down left the possibility of a botched snap on third down and no time to set up for a field goal.
And the knee tactic relies on a player with his eyes on daylight and the glory of a "winning" score remembering the plan, against a defense willing to help him forward if needed.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 24, 2023, 10:31 AM- Adam Ford might be out on Pittman
I don't necessarily get that vibe, but he's critical of Pittman's game management which hasn't improved much in his 4th year.
No way LSU doesn't score on either 1st or 2nd down if Arkansas had let them. I highly doubt they wouldn't have pounded it in on 3rd too but by then the damage was done. There was less than a minute left on the clock.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 24, 2023, 02:27 PMNo way LSU doesn't score on either 1st or 2nd down if Arkansas had let them. I highly doubt they wouldn't have pounded it in on 3rd too but by then the damage was done. There was less than a minute left on the clock.
We were having this same argument in my house in real time.
Agree, the time to try to turn them loose was when there were 2+ minutes left and they were inside our red zone. Once the clock got under a minute it was probably best to play it out and hope for a miracle given that we had blown all our timeouts.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 24, 2023, 02:29 PMWe were having this same argument in my house in real time.
Agree, the time to try to turn them loose was when there were 2+ minutes left and they were inside our red zone. Once the clock got under a minute it was probably best to play it out and hope for a miracle given that we had blown all our timeouts.
They had 1st and Goal from the 7 at 1:44. They actually got there at 2:32 but of course we couldn't stop the clock. The first play was the one to let them in, when they were least expecting it and I would heavily wager weren't told to knee it then.
I know it's unconventional, but the other team with the lead, the ball that close to the end zone, an accurate kicker, and all three timeouts means it's desperation time.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 24, 2023, 11:20 AMI have it on good authority you don't do that in football.
I don't know about me being any authority, but I can tell you that it's an almost fireable offense, and for lack of better terms, retarded.
Everyone should take comfort that on a Sunday afternoon after yet another loss we are debating whether at the end of said loss the opponent should have been allowed to score.
We must admit that this is at least a new topic after a loss. ;D
Quote from: TC on Sep 24, 2023, 02:41 PMI don't know about me being any authority, but I can tell you that it's an almost fireable offense, and for lack of better terms, retarded.
So Bill Belichick must be fired or retarded because he called for it in the Super Bowl, with his team AHEAD.
ONCE AGAIN show me where it has fucking worked. Where? When? It's never fucking worked. Plenty of fucked up snaps, kicks, interceptions, and fumbles.
I think we can all agree this team is underachieving.
Quote from: animal on Sep 24, 2023, 03:24 PMONCE AGAIN show me where it has fucking worked. Where? When? It's never fucking worked. Plenty of fucked up snaps, kicks, interceptions, and fumbles.
The Hogs lost yesterday doing it your and Pittboss's way.
Quote from: BASS on Sep 24, 2023, 03:39 PMI think we can all agree this team is underachieving.
Never expected to beat LSU. We'd all feel a lot better if we had beaten BYU. I think we'll give A&M hell but I'm afraid they've found a QB.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 24, 2023, 03:56 PMNever expected to beat LSU. We'd all feel a lot better if we had beaten BYU. I think we'll give A&M hell but I'm afraid they've found a QB.
Hm the linked article certainly was not as impressed as you are.
Conner Weigman left this game with an apparent ankle injury. Max Johnson came in and did the typical "backup doesn't overthink it", quickly leading a pair of touchdown drives that put the game out of reach. Less the hype train for Johnson get too far down the tracks, note that Johnson is very much a known entity, and he's not as good as Weigman. Johnson couldn't hold the starting job in Baton Rouge and has lost it to Weigman in College Station twice: both last November and this spring.
Don't care dude dropped some dimes after their offense looked like ass with the other guy. Don't give two shits what an article says.
Aggies open -4
Never bet against a Maximum Johnson. One second you've got things well in hand and the next there's a ball deep where you didn't want it to go.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 24, 2023, 03:56 PMNever expected to beat LSU. We'd all feel a lot better if we had beaten BYU. I think we'll give A&M hell but I'm afraid they've found a QB.
Expected to? No, but we played well enough to win by double digits and couldn't stop stepping on our own dicks in a night game in one of toughest places to play. So we were capable of a lot more than we thought.
Which means we really shit the bed against byu. Should have beaten those punks by 20.
The full write-up dropped.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/24/box-score-breakdown-lsu-34-arkansas-31/
The defense wasn't that bad when measured against the best offense it will face and the offense exceeded its expected points, which is good and bad...
Our models say that this game was not as close as a final score indicated. Noise-adjusted points turns down the impact of high-leverage, unpredictable, or otherwise chaotic plays that are unlikely to repeat. Essentially, Arkansas didn't play amazing on offense, and they were fairly lucky to get to 31 points, given that they allowed 13 negative plays and converted several third-and-longs just to stay in the game.
Unfortunately, noise-adjusted points are more predictive of future performance than actual points, so unless the Hogs fix the major issues with the offensive tackles and general lack of discipline, the offense is unlikely to be as productive as it was on Saturday.
Some of these analytics just seem like some made up Porkatarian level of shit. Sure we goofy dicked our way to 31 points but LSU LET US DO IT.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Sep 24, 2023, 05:26 PMThe full write-up dropped.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/09/24/box-score-breakdown-lsu-34-arkansas-31/
The defense wasn't that bad when measured against the best offense it will face and the offense exceeded its expected points, which is good and bad...
Our models say that this game was not as close as a final score indicated. Noise-adjusted points turns down the impact of high-leverage, unpredictable, or otherwise chaotic plays that are unlikely to repeat. Essentially, Arkansas didn't play amazing on offense, and they were fairly lucky to get to 31 points, given that they allowed 13 negative plays and converted several third-and-longs just to stay in the game.
Unfortunately, noise-adjusted points are more predictive of future performance than actual points, so unless the Hogs fix the major issues with the offensive tackles and general lack of discipline, the offense is unlikely to be as productive as it was on Saturday.
Outside of the 1st qtr, the defense was ass.
1ST POSS PLAYS YDS RESULT
13:40 LSU 14 0:51 3 6 PUNT
5:56 LSU 25 2:50 6 39 INT
2:59 LSU 31 4:35 9 29 PUNT
2ND POSS PLAYS YDS RESULT
6:33 LSU 25 2:31 8 68 FG
0:48 LSU 25 0:18 3 75 TD
3RD POSS PLAYS YDS RESULT
15:00 LSU 25 1:00 3 75 TD
5:44 LSU 25 4:04 9 75 TD
4TH POSS PLAYS YDS RESULT
14:11 LSU 25 4:28 10 75 TD
5:06 LSU 25 5:01 9 72 FG
Quote from: animal on Sep 24, 2023, 05:49 PMSome of these analytics just seem like some made up Porkatarian level of shit. Sure we goofy dicked our way to 31 points but LSU LET US DO IT.
Yeah, I get what he's trying to say about "unrepeatable plays," but I'd argue that
many plays in college football are unrepeatable.
KJ's Superman last year against A&M was the epitome of an unrepeatable play, but Rocket nearly repeated it against Missouri State when he fumbled on the goal line inches from a TD. KJ's near sack turned 40 yard completion to Knox against BYU last year is a textbook unrepeatable play, but how many times have we seen KJ get hit, stay up, and find a receiver for a first down (he'll he did it Saturday night to Dubinion).
I love FV, but the advanced stats don't take into account very real things in college football like momentum swings, youth, emotional dynamics, and other things difficult to quantify.
exactly. intangibles play a huge part in the college game.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 24, 2023, 07:18 PMYeah, I get what he's trying to say about "unrepeatable plays," but I'd argue that many plays in college football are unrepeatable.
KJ's Superman last year against A&M was the epitome of an unrepeatable play, but Rocket nearly repeated it against Missouri State when he fumbled on the goal line inches from a TD. KJ's near sack turned 40 yard completion to Knox against BYU last year is a textbook unrepeatable play, but how many times have we seen KJ get hit, stay up, and find a receiver for a first down (he'll he did it Saturday night to Dubinion).
I love FV, but the advanced stats don't take into account very real things in college football like momentum swings, youth, emotional dynamics, and other things difficult to quantify.
I would rather the objective stuff, instead of relying on the subjective stuff. The subjective leads to holding onto that rope, moral victories, and two year passes.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 24, 2023, 07:41 PMI would rather the objective stuff, instead of relying on the subjective stuff. The subjective leads to holding onto that rope, moral victories, and two year passes.
Can't no math equation account for loving the helmet.
Quote from: animal on Sep 24, 2023, 05:49 PMSome of these analytics just seem like some made up Porkatarian level of shit. Sure we goofy dicked our way to 31 points but LSU LET US DO IT.
There does seem to be a bit of editorial confirmation bias in some of his analyses.
For instance: "
they were fairly lucky to get to 31 points, given that they allowed 13 negative plays and converted several third-and-longs just to stay in the game."
Here he interprets the converting of "several third-and-longs" as "lucky" while others might attribute those multiple conversions to talent and preparation.
he preferred briles over enos. nothing wrong with that per se, but it seems he lets that enter into his analysis at times.
Yeah he definitely nerds out too much, but I like the effort and the video clips of different concepts they're trying.
I DO agree that we can't rely on converting as many third and long plays as in this one, even if it was a Poindexter way of laying it out.
At least Enos went with some plays that aren't his calling card, like the inside zone stuff with Dubinion.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 24, 2023, 08:34 PMhe preferred briles over enos. nothing wrong with that per se, but it seems he lets that enter into his analysis at times.
He seems to have been fairly bipolar on both Enos and Briles.
He derided Briles often last year for his penchant for slow starts, quick 3 and outs, and red zone issues. Similarly,
he praised the Enos hire at the time and did a piece on the 2015 offense after it was announced.
However, right before the season he put out a harsh reality piece that was a quite a bit of a tonal shift, and basically said we would struggle in Enos's system because it relies on out-talenting the opponent and is schematically different from Briles' system (and what the players were recruited for and accustomed to), and focused on YAC. In the same breath, he seemed to be praising Briles's system and explosive plays.
To give him credit, he correctly predicted we'd struggle under Enos's system early, that Rocket would struggle because he led the SEC in YBC but was among the worst in YAC, and that our explosive play rate would be significantly reduced.
Ford is light years better than anything in our state media and I follow him closely, but I think he's been sort of all over the place this season. He does, however, seem to be out on Pittman now. This tweet definitely caught my eye.
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1705772239210033181?s=46&t=297ONz0wKqA0bIkQdTGMTQ (https://x.com/adamford92/status/1705772239210033181?s=46&t=297ONz0wKqA0bIkQdTGMTQ)
knocking pittman is justified, but what the hell does his agent have to do with it.
does he think sexton is somehow unhappy with pittman? that it will hurt him when it comes time to get another of his clients paid?
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 24, 2023, 09:40 PMknocking pittman is justified, but what the hell does his agent have to do with it.
does he think sexton is somehow unhappy with pittman? that it will hurt him when it comes time to get another of his clients paid?
Sam was sold to us as this good ol' boy, loves the helmet, no need to negotiate guy with a hometown agent. As soon as he had a decent season he kicked that agent, who went a long way towards getting him the job in the first place, to the curb for a scumbag with a history of fücking over Arkansas and shitting on us to his clients at every opportunity.
I'm all for making as much money for yourself as the market will bear, but don't hold yourself out to be something different or uniquely loyal in the process.
I think the line will get better as the season goes and with that so goes the offense. The skill guys are also going to get better/more comfortable and we're going to find ways of helping protect the qb and help out the offensive line. If he wants to lean on histrionics then fine. Lines tend to get better especially young lines. Hell we may be doing that dumb shit where we intentionally came in over weight and are going to be at the right weight at the right time. These guys may not get tons better but may round into something "serviceable".
You can say our close loss was just dumb luck and we scored on freak plays and all that. That's fine it's what happened to some degree. I think if you've watched much of KJ Jefferson and Arkansas football over the last 20 years you'll note that we tend to have one or two players that do freak shit and that's how we score. That's it...that's the game plan. You can only analyze the shit out of that so much before it just doesn't make sense.
Ford's previous takes on what would become our struggles were certainly spot on but I don't necessarily agree with his assessment about having to "out talent" to win with this scheme. He acts as if we are trying to be Georgia or Bama and beat them at their own game. LOL. When have we ever had better talent than anyone in the SEC WEST? Never. Perhaps at certain position groups but as a whole team/offense nope. Not even under Petrino where our lines were largely disappointing and got no help.
I don't care what offense you run in the SEC if you don't have talent at every position group no amount of window dressing is going to make a difference. The rest is just semantics on zone blocking vs whatever and how we line up so wide, all that schematic stuff. Calling plays at mid-field all bunched up and then running a shotgun play and giving it to a dead legged running back who isn't even going half speed when he gets the ball because he's too busy trying to decide how he's going to die. Anyway yeah jimmy's and joes plus coaches with brains matters the most over anything else. I feel as though Briles got in his own way...I think we're seeing something similar with Enos but perhaps not as bad. I think to some degree maybe he's still learning who his guys are moving forward.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 24, 2023, 09:59 PMSam was sold to us as this good ol' boy, loves the helmet, no need to negotiate guy with a hometown agent. As soon as he had a decent season he kicked that agent, who went a long way towards getting him the job in the first place, to the curb for a scumbag with a history of fücking over Arkansas and shitting on us to his clients at every opportunity.
I'm all for making as much money for yourself as the market will bear, but don't hold yourself out to be something different or uniquely loyal in the process.
maybe don't put much stock in coach speak or what the university had to say to justify a risky hire?
the writers and coaches picked arkansas fifth - in the west. vegas had the win total between 5.5-6.5. yet i read how this should be a 9 or 10 win team or "but pittman said...". it still could be a good season, but nobody outside of razorback fans was expecting much out of this group. and for the record i enjoy reading his column.
Quote from: animal on Sep 24, 2023, 10:14 PM...I think if you've watched much of KJ Jefferson and Arkansas football over the last 20 years you'll note that we tend to have one or two players that do freak shit and that's how we score. That's it...that's the game plan. You can only analyze the shit out of that so much before it just doesn't make sense....
yeah, i wonder if he was around when matt jones was doing matt jones things, lol.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 24, 2023, 10:28 PMthe writers and coaches picked arkansas fifth - in the west. vegas had the win total between 5.5-6.5. yet i read how this should be a 9 or 10 win team or "but pittman said...". it still could be a good season, but nobody outside of razorback fans was expecting much out of this group. and for the record i enjoy reading his column.
This is very true.
I feel like we all talked ourselves into Arkansas having this great season because of KJ, the RB rotation, the guys we pulled out of the portal, and overhauling our defense (which literally couldn't be worse than last year). We ignored the fact that our offensive line was a huge question mark, and our defensive line has been overhyped and underwhelming for over a decade now.
When Vegas set our win total around that 6 game mark, I knew we'd probably be in for disappointment when we were throwing around 9-3 and 8-4 expectations. Sadly, it looks like Vegas might have it pegged perfectly. As my father in law often says, they don't build those fancy casinos because they lose.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 24, 2023, 10:28 PMmaybe don't put much stock in coach speak or what the university had to say to justify a risky hire?
the writers and coaches picked arkansas fifth - in the west. vegas had the win total between 5.5-6.5. yet i read how this should be a 9 or 10 win team or "but pittman said...". it still could be a good season, but nobody outside of razorback fans was expecting much out of this group. and for the record i enjoy reading his column.
yeah, i wonder if he was around when matt jones was doing matt jones things, lol.
Not sure how what you quoted applies to what I said other than maybe the first sentence, but okay I guess.
Regardless of coach speak, he did use a bunch of Arkansas connections to move his way into consideration for a job his resume didn't qualify him to have, and he has on more than one occasion professed gratitude, loyalty and all the other bullshit we heard from another mediocre coach far too often. Joke's on us for taking him literally.
It's like how Nutt and Petrino's infidelities should have been taken differently. Petrino never sold himself as anything but a football coach, so his personal life shouldn't have mattered (just talking about the act of the affair here - not getting into the weeds with the implications of who it was with). Nutt kept his job in large part because of the "fine Christian man" persona. His personal failures were fair game because they contradicted the image he cultivated in order to gain support in lieu of a good record.
The same applies with Sam versus another coach like Musselman for example. If you're using loyalty to preserve your job or make the path easier, you make yourself fair game when you do something that contradicts everything you've said. If you're standing or falling on your record alone then the act of contract machinations or using a known enemy of the program to do your bidding isn't as big of a deal.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 24, 2023, 09:59 PMSam was sold to us as this good ol' boy, loves the helmet, no need to negotiate guy with a hometown agent. As soon as he had a decent season he kicked that agent, who went a long way towards getting him the job in the first place, to the curb for a scumbag with a history of fücking over Arkansas and shitting on us to his clients at every opportunity.
I'm all for making as much money for yourself as the market will bear, but don't hold yourself out to be something different or uniquely loyal in the process.
I'll never understand how the negotiations work. Sam stopped the bleeding from Chad to get us back to Bert levels and was paid millions to do it. Why couldn't we just tell Sexton that 3-5 in the SEC isn't a reward situation? Keep the pay the same and write a check for $1 mill for a BCS bowl win. Would Sam have been pissed and bolted for Notre Dame?
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 25, 2023, 09:21 AMI'll never understand how the negotiations work. Sam stopped the bleeding from Chad to get us back to Bert levels and was paid millions to do it. Why couldn't we just tell Sexton that 3-5 in the SEC isn't a reward situation? Keep the pay the same and write a check for $1 mill for a BCS bowl win. Would Sam have been pissed and bolted for Notre Dame?
It's all part of the Sexton game. If you don't treat his clients "fairly" in his eyes, he steers the rest of them away from you the next time you have a search. He did it when we fired his least employable client at the time (Nutt) and again with his even worse client (Morris).
Some say that I'm unfair to Sexton, that he's just looking out for his clients' best interest, and that may be true in his mind. A couple of points on that...one, if you make sure we get only the dregs of your coaching stable, the prophecy of "you can't win at Arkansas" becomes self-fulfilling and easier to sell to the rest of your client group. And if working in your clients' best interest, even if well-intentioned, works to actively harm our program, you are an enemy and should be dealt with harshly if we ever get the opportunity. It is not our responsibility to make sure that the coaching market is compensated at or above market value.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 25, 2023, 09:21 AMI'll never understand how the negotiations work. Sam stopped the bleeding from Chad to get us back to Bert levels and was paid millions to do it. Why couldn't we just tell Sexton that 3-5 in the SEC isn't a reward situation? Keep the pay the same and write a check for $1 mill for a BCS bowl win. Would Sam have been pissed and bolted for Notre Dame?
Yurachek got fleeced in those negotiations, just as Long did when he gave Bert the big raise and extension after 2014.
Pittman had 1 good year, and at that point was 7-11 in conference play (Bert was 2-14). He had previously been outspoken about not wanting to be anywhere else, and no one else really wanted him. It wasn't in any way akin to the Kiffin situation where Ole Miss had to pay him as a defensive move.
The Kiffin and Mel Tucker deals prove that the economics of college football coaching contracts are broken. Basically you sign a big contract, you have one good year or someone else shows interest in you (the Sexton special), and then you sign an even bigger contract.
When is the last time an Arkansas football coach didn't get what he wanted financially so he moved on to another program? I think its time we start rewarding success rather than failure. What is the worst that happens? We go winless in the SEC? We lose to North Texas and BYU?
Sam is the 12th highest paid coach in the league. Billy Napier is making $7.4 lol. College sports are so broken.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 25, 2023, 09:38 AMWhen is the last time an Arkansas football coach didn't get what he wanted financially so he moved on to another program? I think its time we start rewarding success rather than failure. What is the worst that happens? We go winless in the SEC? We lose to North Texas and BYU?
Bowden Wyatt in 1954? Jack Mitchell right after him in 1957?
I guess you could say Hatfield, but that had nothing to do with finances.
It would be nice to be in a position where we had to worry about someone trying to steal away a successful football coach.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 25, 2023, 09:21 AMI'll never understand how the negotiations work. Sam stopped the bleeding from Chad to get us back to Bert levels and was paid millions to do it. Why couldn't we just tell Sexton that 3-5 in the SEC isn't a reward situation? Keep the pay the same and write a check for $1 mill for a BCS bowl win. Would Sam have been pissed and bolted for Notre Dame?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 25, 2023, 09:28 AMIt's all part of the Sexton game. If you don't treat his clients "fairly" in his eyes, he steers the rest of them away from you the next time you have a search. He did it when we fired his least employable client at the time (Nutt) and again with his even worse client (Morris).
Some say that I'm unfair to Sexton, that he's just looking out for his clients' best interest, and that may be true in his mind. A couple of points on that...one, if you make sure we get only the dregs of your coaching stable, the prophecy of "you can't win at Arkansas" becomes self-fulfilling and easier to sell to the rest of your client group. And if working in your clients' best interest, even if well-intentioned, works to actively harm our program, you are an enemy and should be dealt with harshly if we ever get the opportunity. It is not our responsibility to make sure that the coaching market is compensated at or above market value.
Again, we need our own agent, or someone competent that won't blink when Sexton or another coach's agent starts these games.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 09:43 AMSam is the 12th highest paid coach in the league. Billy Napier is making $7.4 lol. College sports are so broken.
and kiffin gets $9 million.
and while you may bitch about the $5 million per year sam is getting, the buyout is extremely good for the university. not only does it go down every year, but it's also dependent on his winning percentage at that time. rare for contracts today.
the market has been set and the people to blame are the folks on this board and the rest of americans who have an insane passion/obsession with sports, particularly football *vegashog raises his hand*, not agents or the coaches.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 25, 2023, 10:02 AMand kiffin gets $9 million.
and while you may bitch about the $5 million per year sam is getting, the buyout is extremely good for the university. not only does it go down every year, but it's also dependent on his winning percentage at that time. rare for contracts today.
the market has been set and the people to blame are the folks on this board and the rest of americans who have an insane passion/obsession with sports, particularly football *vegashog raises his hand*, not agents or the coaches.
I don't particularly care how much our (or anyone's) coaches are paid, or how much we pay them to go away provided the amount doesn't prevent us from paying market value to that guy's replacement. And you're absolutely right as to who is to blame.
My beef with Sexton is the way he treats us specifically in the process, namely the advice he gives to his clients when we have an opening. I have heard from his lips a version of "you can't win there", at an event held in this state, so I have little doubt that he's telling this in more blunt terms to his clients.
All agents do some shady shit to help their clients. Remember Bert's supposed offer to head coach the Denver Broncos off a 7-6 year here? As far as we know Sexton is the only one who has actively tried to steer interested clients away from our program.
I don't have an issue with Pittman's salary. You don't take advantage of a guy because you know he isn't interested (or can't) go elsewhere. We are paying him on the low side of the SEC coaching salary scale. I also think the comments on his weight are juvenile but that is a different conversation for another day.
Pitt is a weird situation for me to wrap my head around.
With Nutt, after year 5 you could see he would never get over the hump. He was a 7 or 8 win a year guy and after 10 years it was apparent it was time to move on. We waited probably 4 years too long.
Chad just sucked from the beginning. He was never going to be a good head coach.
Brett came in with some success that we could point to and be excited. I wasn't excited by the hire but I could see the appeal. Quickly you could see his approach was not going to be successful.
Petrino, every year we got better. I don't know what would have happened but no one can deny that from year 1 to year 4 we had improved greatly and were continuing to get better.
Then there is Sam. He has tried hiring good people. He lets the coordinators do coordinating things. He isn't a used car salesman. But, we are at best marginally better today than when he took over 4 years ago. We are not disciplined. We are not overly tough. Yet, I am not ready to give up on him. Maybe because he is a genuinely nice guy. I don't know.
I do know this though, he is in that danger zone of either produce and be loved forever, step aside and be appreciated forever, OR lose, hang on, and have everyone hate you.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 25, 2023, 09:46 AMBowden Wyatt in 1954? Jack Mitchell right after him in 1957?
I guess you could say Hatfield, but that had nothing to do with finances.
It would be nice to be in a position where we had to worry about someone trying to steal away a successful football coach.
No problems at all with this. But just to add...I heard from a reliable source that Hatfield and Broyles were not on good terms after Broyles demanded Hatfield fire some assistants and Hatfield, to his everlasting credit, refused. Hatfield also deeply resented Broyles interfering in his coaching decisions. Apparently after a last play loss to Texass Broyles quizzed Hatfield about LB depth immediately following the game.
When Hatfield's contract came up, Broyles kept nit-picking him with B.S. to the point Hatfield picked up the phone, called Clemson (who had just fired their National Championship-winning coach Danny Ford), inquired about the job, and was hired without an interview.
Edit: Hatfield was also miffed about Broyles signing a new 5 year contract, while at the same time fucking with his (Hatfield's).
So, I guess money wasn't the main reason Hatfield left, but was part of the problem.
Quote from: Snorts on Sep 25, 2023, 10:27 AMNo problems at all with this. But just to add...I heard from a reliable source that Hatfield and Broyles were not on good terms after Broyles demanded Hatfield fire some assistants and Hatfield, to his everlasting credit, refused. Hatfield also deeply resented Broyles interfering in his coaching decisions. Apparently after a last play loss to Texass Broyles quizzed Hatfield about LB depth immediately following the game.
When Hatfield's contract came up, Broyles kept nit-picking him with B.S. to the point Hatfield picked up the phone, called Clemson (who had just fired their National Championship-winning coach Danny Ford), inquired about the job, and was hired without an interview.
Edit: Hatfield was also miffed about Broyles signing a new 5 year contract, while at the same time fucking with his (Hatfield's).
So, I guess money wasn't the main reason Hatfield left, but was part of the problem.
Oh yeah, Hatfield left primarily because of the meddling and other micromanagement from Broyles. Ken supposedly had a contract with basically the contract terms he had requested on his desk when he left for Clemson.
Ken thought he had the Georgia job the year before that. Vince Dooley wanted to hire him, but the UGA boosters didn't like the idea of the wishbone. Our players knew about it before the Cotton Bowl, which was a big reason behind the lackluster effort against UCLA.
The saddest thing about all this is that most everyone nationally considered both Clemson and Georgia to be lateral moves from Arkansas at the time. My how we have fallen.
Let's be real. Based on what we have seen, we SHOULD be 3-1 at WORST. That isn't being a homer or going on preseason, that is going on what we have seen on the field. There is zero, and I mean zero, excuse for losing to a mediocre BYU team at home.
LSU, they weren't really better than we were. We didn't hang with them because of fluke plays. We were as good as they were and lost because of our own mistakes. It happens.
3-1 with a very good shot at 4-0 with clean, well-coached play. Instead, we are 2-2. Anyone saying we are where we should be with the players we have is simply lying. We have underachieved so far this year.
If we had beaten BYU, everyone would be feeling okay right now. Just an inexcusable loss.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 11:16 AMIf we had beaten BYU, everyone would be feeling okay right now. Just an inexcusable loss.
No doubt.
Had we won that one we were destined to be ranked at the bottom of the polls. A last-second three point loss at LSU, at night, wouldn't have dropped us out.
On the bright side, Aggy and Ole Miss look more winnable than they did in the preseason. Which means we'll probably go 0-2.
Supposedly A&M struggles to generate pass rush. I like the Moss running back for them a lot. Gonna have to shut down their run.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 11:21 AMSupposedly A&M struggles to generate pass rush. I like the Moss running back for them a lot. Gonna have to shut down their run.
We're going to shove their Johnson up their Anias sideways.
maybe we're missing a guy that was responsible for 1700+ yards and 12 touchdowns last year?
someone mentioned aj green transferring. sorry, but let him go. he has a good game once a season. danced in the hole on a stretch play and got immediately pulled. so frustrating watching him do that time and again.
Defense lost that game. 15 couldn't cover air.
go back and watch those two 49 yard td they scored. the safeties were responsible for over the top coverage and they didn't move. when you're playing man at the line of scrimmage, unless you have next level corners (we don't) that safety has to come over.
had the same problem last year.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 25, 2023, 11:42 AMgo back and watch those two 49 yard td they scored. the safeties were responsible for over the top coverage and they didn't move. when you're playing man at the line of scrimmage, unless you have next level corners (we don't) that safety has to come over.
had the same problem last year.
Looked like Clark was most to blame, but hard to tell without the full field view.
I thought Singletary would be faster.
singletary is just a freshman. sec caliber wr are going to be a problem for him. he's supposed to be fast, but obviously there's more to it than that.
I don't think McGlothern is able to go extended periods yet either. Jayden Johnson didn't get over on one of those throws I believe.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 11:51 AMI don't think McGlothern is able to go extended periods yet either. Jayden Johnson didn't get over on one of those throws I believe.
McGlothern played 52 out of 59 defensive snaps Saturday night.
I didn't notice him much outside of the pick, but I had a good buzz going by then.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 25, 2023, 11:55 AMMcGlothern played 52 out of 59 defensive snaps Saturday night.
Yeah, but could he go like 200?
Didn't think so.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 11:57 AMI didn't notice him much outside of the pick, but I had a good buzz going by then.
That's usually good when we don't notice a cornerback.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 25, 2023, 11:25 AMWe're going to shove their Johnson up their Anias sideways.
They're going to come at us hard with the double-Johnson attack.
Because of jerryworld, we now get four straight road games. This game can't end soon enough.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 11:16 AMIf we had beaten BYU, everyone would be feeling okay right now. Just an inexcusable loss.
100%. That loss still pisses me off. Never should have happened.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Sep 25, 2023, 12:07 PM100%. That loss still pisses me off. Never should have happened.
It was as bad as the Toledo loss in 2015. Probably worse, as that Toledo team was pretty good and BYU is average at best.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 25, 2023, 11:28 AMmaybe we're missing a guy that was responsible for 1700+ yards and 12 touchdowns last year?
someone mentioned aj green transferring. sorry, but let him go. he has a good game once a season. danced in the hole on a stretch play and got immediately pulled. so frustrating watching him do that time and again.
He plays like he is scared of contact and braces himself for hits instead of delivering one.
Sounded iffy at best for Sanders this week again. I bet we get very little use out of him this year.
If I was a potential NFL back and saw our line every day in practice in the pre-season...maybe some knee management might be in order.
They asked about him deleting Twitter. His response wasn't comforting.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 12:17 PMSounded iffy at best for Sanders this week again. I bet we get very little use out of him this year.
Got some serious "knee management" going on.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 12:58 PMThey asked about him deleting Twitter. His response wasn't comforting.
I missed that. What did he say?
Quote from: Cornhogio on Sep 25, 2023, 01:31 PMI missed that. What did he say?
Said he knows he's fat and has big titties doesn't need anons telling him that every day. And I guess they had several players in the dumps last week after getting attacked by fans. Talked about mental health blah blah said our recruiting staff wants him back on.
how the guy coaches is fair game, but the personal shit makes it look petty.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 01:33 PMSaid he knows he's fat and has big titties doesn't need anons telling him that every day. And I guess they had several players in the dumps last week after getting attacked by fans. Talked about mental health blah blah said our recruiting staff wants him back on.
Good for him. Swing away coach, you still better looking than Lizzo.
Yeah I mean I don't condone taking shots at someone's appearance, but Pittman just threw gasoline on the fire acknowledging why he did it and trying to justify it.
Kudos to Tom Murphy for asking the question, but he could've easily said 'I'd rather not talk about Twitter let's just focus on football.'
And if he acknowledges he's obese, why doesn't he do something about it? Could easily have lap band surgery or just go hardcore into a diet. They've got the people up there to where he could probably lose 30-40 pounds pretty quickly with minimal effort.
why the hell is it anyone's business other than his?
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1706353778922787126
Just get Ozempic and stop the kobeers.
Are Arkansas fans on social media a bunch of fucking dumbasses? Yes. Could that be said about every other fanbase? Yes. Sam and the "kids" aren't dealing with any unique problems that every other college coach and player also sees every day. If the players are spending so much time on social media that they can get down in the dumps at negativity*, then maybe everyone from the head coach on down needs to toughen the hell up and get to work.
*Negativity, after losing at home with an embarrassing effort against BYfuckingU
I like Sam and I'll support him no matter how the rest of this season goes, probably, but this whole Twitter thing is not a good look for him or the program.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Sep 25, 2023, 02:29 PMhttps://x.com/adamford92/status/1706353778922787126
He also says LSU was favored in his model by like 15 points over us and that we were lucky to keep it as close as we did.
My issue with that is, I can't recall any "lucky" plays that made the game closer than it should have been. The only one that comes close is KJ scramble where he should have been sacked a bunch that led to a big Luke Hasz reception.
I dunno. I think his model is a good starting point but it's not the end-all be-all, simply because the college game in particular is played by a bunch of overgrown unpredictable children (paid or not).
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 25, 2023, 02:27 PMwhy the hell is it anyone's business other than his?
True. He is nearing retirement age, if not already there. He doesn't have anyone to impress with his looks or anything else.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 25, 2023, 02:27 PMwhy the hell is it anyone's business other than his?
Losing amplifies the smallest things. If that gets under his skin so easily, that is not going to help going forward.
Either, ignore it and wear a cup, or exercise for health reason to get in better shape.
This just makes him look weak and open to other criticism to everyone and the media.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 25, 2023, 10:02 AMand kiffin gets $9 million.
and while you may bitch about the $5 million per year sam is getting, the buyout is extremely good for the university. not only does it go down every year, but it's also dependent on his winning percentage at that time. rare for contracts today.
the market has been set and the people to blame are the folks on this board and the rest of americans who have an insane passion/obsession with sports, particularly football *vegashog raises his hand*, not agents or the coaches.
We will get a good dose of that when ESPN goes to being primarily a streaming service at near 30 bucks a month and oh did you not want ads with that?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 24, 2023, 09:59 PMSam was sold to us as this good ol' boy, loves the helmet, no need to negotiate guy with a hometown agent. As soon as he had a decent season he kicked that agent, who went a long way towards getting him the job in the first place, to the curb for a scumbag with a history of fücking over Arkansas and shitting on us to his clients at every opportunity.
I'm all for making as much money for yourself as the market will bear, but don't hold yourself out to be something different or uniquely loyal in the process.
thank you. that move
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 24, 2023, 09:59 PMSam was sold to us as this good ol' boy, loves the helmet, no need to negotiate guy with a hometown agent. As soon as he had a decent season he kicked that agent, who went a long way towards getting him the job in the first place, to the curb for a scumbag with a history of fücking over Arkansas and shitting on us to his clients at every opportunity.
I'm all for making as much money for yourself as the market will bear, but don't hold yourself out to be something different or uniquely loyal in the process.
thank you.
after saying all that shit about how it wasn't about the money he ditched his agent and went with Sexton and started moaning about money and an extension.
fine, you want the big money then you gotta handle the shit and expectations that come with being the highest paid state employee. most arkansans won't make in a lifetime what he makes in a year.
can't be cashing those checks and continue the gomer pyle aw shucks routine.
he knew what he was getting into, maybe it's too much?
I don't want him fired but at least be the adult in the room.
I think the "aww shucks, cold beer moron" act isn't an act.
Quote from: Lurk on Sep 25, 2023, 03:53 PMI think the "aww shucks, cold beer moron" act isn't an act.
You couldn't keep his big titties out of your mouth. You were the original titboss sunshine pumper.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 04:17 PMYou couldn't keep his big titties out of your mouth. You were the original titboss sunshine pumper.
On cue, the archetype moron Razorback fan shows up. Give it up, no one above the age of 12 is impressed with your titboss moniker. No matter how many times you try it.
I don't get on twitter and rag the coach about his weight but I do worry about his health. ig people are like big dogs - they don't live as long. He is about my age so it is time to start thinking about how long he is going to live if he is about 320 like he looks. He is way wider than I was at 300.
Somebody said for him to do Ozempic. That'll work but not during the year if it does him like it did me.
I don't get comments about his weight or appearance either.
Deleting his Twitter does bother me though for reasons already said. Take a break, hand it off to a GA.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 25, 2023, 06:14 PMI don't get comments about his weight or appearance either.
Deleting his Twitter does bother me though for reasons already said. Take a break, hand it off to a GA.
Ok I'll stop. What insults would you prefer we use whenever we suck?
Quote from: animal on Sep 25, 2023, 06:29 PMOk I'll stop. What insults would you prefer we use whenever we suck?
"Boooo, you call plays like Houston Nutt's weird brother!"
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 25, 2023, 02:51 PMHe also says LSU was favored in his model by like 15 points over us and that we were lucky to keep it as close as we did.
My issue with that is, I can't recall any "lucky" plays that made the game closer than it should have been. The only one that comes close is KJ scramble where he should have been sacked a bunch that led to a big Luke Hasz reception.
I dunno. I think his model is a good starting point but it's not the end-all be-all, simply because the college game in particular is played by a bunch of overgrown unpredictable children (paid or not).
What's his model have for the BYU game?
Also, I find it weird it doesn't account for injuries, as is likely the case with Weigman.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 25, 2023, 08:06 PMWhat's his model have for the BYU game?
Also, I find it weird it doesn't account for injuries, as is likely the case with Weigman.
I dont think he had anything detailed for BYU because it was too early in the season and there weren't enough stats available
Quote from: animal on Sep 25, 2023, 06:29 PMOk I'll stop. What insults would you prefer we use whenever we suck?
Just call him Bert
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 25, 2023, 02:29 PMI like Sam and I'll support him no matter how the rest of this season goes, probably, but this whole Twitter thing is not a good look for him or the program.
To be fair to Pittman, DVH was
really outspoken down the stretch in 2022 about Twitter and the negative effect it was having on the players due to the hate they were receiving. He even went as far as to say they were glad to be playing the regional on the road in Stillwater just to get away.
I'm hardly ever on Twitter and follow like 4 people (Adam Ford is one), but these kids live their lives on social media and their identities are wrapped up in it. It's extremely unhealthy and not advisable, but it's their generational norm. I don't understand it at all.
Check out Jake Bequette's tweets about Pittman. Guy is an absolute loon.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 25, 2023, 08:30 PMCheck out Jake Bequette's tweets about Pittman. Guy is an absolute loon.
Can you post it?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 25, 2023, 08:53 PMCan you post it?
A series of posts that basically say Pittman should be like/isn't Petrino without explicitly saying Petrino's name
Of course you'll have the sycophant types on twitter defending the brand like it's their life's work, faux outrage over the mental fragility of players/staff and most importantly it's hurting recrootin yaw. I feel like I can be critical without being a total douche on social media...but I also feel like people read stuff and over react way too easily. It's social media and everyone has an opinion and they are going to give it to you. It's like nobody knows how to except criticism anymore or more to the point people cannot distinguish a critique from criticism. They are more likely to say you aren't qualified to ask that question or "why don't you become the coach since you know so much". I knew when Pittman got pissy over a few probing questions about why his offensive line was shit that we were in for a rough time.
The fact of the matter is Pittman has completely mishandled the social media shit when he went all fox hole charlie on everyone. What next...we lose another one and he just says "I told you not to be mean on Twitter". If you want to do something...get out in front and be a leader of the program.
They are paying players via NIL...it's only natural that people are going to be openly critical when they feel the need more so than ever before. That's the line that was crossed and there's no going back from it. They are still kids and I don't want to be too mean as long as they represent the school in a positive light...but that doesn't mean I won't dog cuss the fuck out of them on game day if/when they do something stupid.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Sep 25, 2023, 08:19 PMJust call him Bert
Hmm
First year won 3 games
Second year won 7
Third year won 8
Fourth year won 7
First year won 3 (Covid year but forget it I'm rolling)
Second year won 9
Third year won 7
Fourth year TBD
If Pittman wins 6 he'll match Bert's first four years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph1D5mWhNiE
Watched this earlier this morning...
1. Our tackles are getting consistently worked over like Kobe's girlfriend at Lake Tahoe especially in the 2nd half. It appeared Chamblee started the game and #51 came in for him. If our biggest issue is stamina it would seem to me we would be rotating guys in and out at tackle between the 3 semi playable guys. Surely they cross train at left and right tackles.
2. KJ has incredible ability to ignore the pressure and make pretty damn decent throws under duress or run it. That 2nd red zone drive he flat out missed a giant hole to run to daylight and possibly score. The guy that was "open" would have had to be a laser throw on the run...very difficult to make. I think that guy should have probably continued running and ran toward the middle front of the end zone KJ would have thrown it against his body but it will have created some space. I don't understand why WRs stop and just wait on the ball with two defenders waiting on either side. Run and keep running unless you are told to sit down in a zone or something.
3. KJ also has a habit of not knowing when to fold 'em and get rid of the ball or try to advance the ball up field. We're taking too many sacks putting us into 3rd and longs.
4. LSU's secondary was actually not very good...they'll get exposed by somebody later in the season. Our 2 point conversion was running against dime coverage and we still managed to have 3 people open. Excellent play design by Enos and good execution by the quarterback but LSU flat out fucked the dog on some of the coverage.
5. Dubinion wasn't helping the tackles when there was an obvious blitz/bull rush...that's either not his assignment or he's just plain stupid. On a few snaps it was clear he was waiting for a blitzer and he just wasn't finding them. Sanders will help a great deal in that regard if/when he comes back. I'm surprised Johnson isn't getting some of those reps as he's much better at pass pro. I think that says a lot about what type of player he is know after the injuries.
6. Our linebackers didn't display the greatest eye discipline...choosing the wrong holes sometimes in the wrong situations. We also had times where LSU was just absolutely in the right play to go against our defense. Denbrook called an excellent game. #3 was making us his bitch most of the night.
7. #15 was getting smoked by a couple of the best WRs we'll see. Safeties were consistently getting pressured to cover other areas leaving one on one situations for Singleton. We never adjusted.
Bequette is a piece of crap. What an embarrassment that guy has become.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 26, 2023, 07:10 AMBequette is a piece of crap. What an embarrassment that guy has become.
Yeah, for a guy who's basically made a living on being a former Razorback, he's certainly made of habit of shitting where he eats.
And instead of levying legitimate football criticism at Pittman and the team — trust me there's plenty — he's trying to turn the Twitter bullshit into an odd culture war talking point. Just a weird hill to die on.
He got into it with one of the younger Hog Twitter media guys and basically accused the guy of being transgender because he had long hair. The guy promptly tweeted back a pic of Bequette in college with long hair, to which Jake then tried to play the "I was a captain and All-SEC!" card right on cue.
And now he's out here basically saying that the Twitter/mental health stuff is a narrative being pushed by women.
Just a terrible look for a guy who's really gone off the deep end trying to play this edge lord character and comes off like a shitheel.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 25, 2023, 06:14 PMI don't get comments about his weight or appearance either.
Deleting his Twitter does bother me though for reasons already said. Take a break, hand it off to a GA.
What don't you get? We fired a strength and conditioning coach in the off-season, and hired a new one. The nutrition program budget runs in the millions per year. We work all winter, spring, and summer to stay in shape, bulk-up, add good weight, get faster, stronger....
All to be led by a semi-morbidly obese person who can't seem to be bothered watching his own caloric intake.
Its reeks of lack of discipline and a talk the talk, but not walk the walk mentality. Like it or not, that has a negative impact on the culture of the program.
Quote from: TC on Sep 26, 2023, 08:40 AMAll to be led by a semi-morbidly obese person who can't seem to be bothered watching his own caloric intake.
no semi to it
I was classified morbidly obese and I was smaller by a good bit.
Someone needs to tell the players to parse their public persona on Twitter from their real one. Nobody criticizing them knows them personally so it shouldn't matter too much. Of course, they have been "special" their entire lives based on their football skills so that is easy to say, hard to do.
yeah, i need to see how the coach's weight is having an impact on the culture of the program.
if we're 4-0 none of this is even being talked about. the only culture that's being exposed is that of the fans.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 26, 2023, 10:20 AMyeah, i need to see how the coach's weight is having an impact on the culture of the program.
if we're 4-0 none of this is even being talked about. the only culture that's being exposed is that of the fans.
Agree. We have some giant titty babies in this fanbase.
Kansas went to an orange bowl with a coach who looked like a dwarf planet.
Chad Morris maybe weighed 185lbs.
None of this matters to me.
Fanbase is no different than any other. Remember bwain bweed?
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 26, 2023, 10:20 AMyeah, i need to see how the coach's weight is having an impact on the culture of the program.
if we're 4-0 none of this is even being talked about. the only culture that's being exposed is that of the fans.
But we aren't 4-0 and maybe that is because of the culture of the program...
But we are so close guys...come on 2-2 is better than 0-4.
No seriously if it's hurting feelings we can do better. We don't have to result to personal insults. Well not yet anyway. Some people just fucking deserve it when they are clearly phoning it in and waiting for the buyout checks to start. Pittman is no doubt still doing his OJT...he's going to fuck up some things. He's going to be loyal to a fault on some of his "guys".
We went from Brad Davis as our OL coach to this Kennedy dude and anyone with a brain could see that it was a major step down. That meant people were expecting this head coach to take more of a hands on approach on the offensive line. I don't know that was are seeing that this season or last. The only thing different this season is we down Stromberg and Jones and maybe one other feller as our starters. Stromberg I guess is an NFL player but the others weren't. I understand those players were mainly replaced by youth and there is a youth movement and those things are going to happen at just about any college. With that means we'll struggle. Hopefully these guys will pull it together. Like with many things necessity is the mother of invention...it may take an injury to put some other bloat out there and see what they can do.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Sep 26, 2023, 11:24 AMBut we aren't 4-0 and maybe that is because of the culture of the program...
And maybe that has nothing to do with the weight of our coach. Enos seems to be in pretty good shape. How are we feeling about him today?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Sep 26, 2023, 11:38 AMAnd maybe that has nothing to do with the weight of our coach. Enos seems to be in pretty good shape. How are we feeling about him today?
I don't know, 31 against LSU, scoring pretty much every time in the second half. Not many complaints in his first year back with players that might not be best suited to his scheme.
Also, the 'culture' of a program isn't typically set by an offensive coordinator in his first year back...
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Sep 26, 2023, 12:11 PMI don't know, 31 against LSU, scoring pretty much every time in the second half. Not many complaints in his first year back with players that might not be best suited to his scheme.
Also, the 'culture' of a program isn't typically set by an offensive coordinator in his first year back...
Not many complaints? I think you need to read the board more. Hell, even you are drawing up plays for him. How about 4th and 1 in the shotgun?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Sep 26, 2023, 12:18 PMNot many complaints? I think you need to read the board more. Hell, even you are drawing up plays for him. How about 4th and 1 in the shotgun?
I'm not 100% sure that is the OC doing that. 2 OC's and 1 HC as the common denominator.
When you are in year 3 and 4 and you can not figure out how to beat teams like Liberty and BYU, your fans start to ponder different reasons for your failures on sports message boards. It comes with the territory and should be expected in exchange for millions in salaries, NIL, etc.
It would be so much easier to hate Pitt if he did shit like throwing "A" signs with a hooker wife or he was firing up Club Dub down in the basement.
The fact that he is a good guy and is trying to make this thing work makes it more difficult.
really needs a win in the next 3, can't remember too many "good" teams with 5 game losing streaks no matter the schedule
probably a little unfair but don't fuck up at home vs BYU
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 26, 2023, 03:09 PMIt would be so much easier to hate Pitt if he did shit like throwing "A" signs with a hooker wife or he was firing up Club Dub down in the basement.
The fact that he is a good guy and is trying to make this thing work makes it more difficult.
I think somebody said it in here earlier. He is the football Mike Anderson.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 26, 2023, 03:09 PMIt would be so much easier to hate Pitt if he did shit like throwing "A" signs with a hooker wife or he was firing up Club Dub down in the basement.
The fact that he is a good guy and is trying to make this thing work makes it more difficult.
Pfft. Not for me. He loses games he shouldn't and looks like he has no fire in him to really do the hard work to get us winning.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Sep 26, 2023, 10:40 AMAgree. We have some giant titty babies in this fanbase.
What you did there? Saw it I did.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Sep 25, 2023, 02:29 PMhttps://x.com/adamford92/status/1706353778922787126
I asked and he answered what the model had for LSU and his answer was only what the model calculates now AFTER that game. I asked a follow up that he didn't answer.
Point being, I'm losing faith in him and his overly analytical approach.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 26, 2023, 03:09 PMIt would be so much easier to hate Pitt if he did shit like throwing "A" signs with a hooker wife or he was firing up Club Dub down in the basement.
The fact that he is a good guy and is trying to make this thing work makes it more difficult.
This is very true.
https://x.com/will_whitson2/status/1706814267754733645?s=20
This is the guy Big Jake was trashing on X/twitter
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 26, 2023, 04:33 PMPfft. Not for me. He loses games he shouldn't and looks like he has no fire in him to really do the hard work to get us winning.
The only thing true in what you wrote is Sam losses games he shouldn't. The rest is a retarded take.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 26, 2023, 07:53 PMThe only thing true in what you wrote is Sam losses games he shouldn't. The rest is a retarded take.
We'll see. The more we lose, the more it looks like he can't get these players to do what they are supposed to do.
Quote from: animal on Sep 26, 2023, 07:02 PMhttps://x.com/will_whitson2/status/1706814267754733645?s=20
This is the guy Big Jake was trashing on X/twitter
That is correct.
Quote from: animal on Sep 26, 2023, 07:02 PMhttps://x.com/will_whitson2/status/1706814267754733645?s=20
This is the guy Big Jake was trashing on X/twitter
I read some of this stuff yesterday....Jake definitely sees things from a unique perspective
Quote from: Jostlyn mcCocksack on Sep 27, 2023, 09:34 AMI read some of this stuff yesterday....Jake definitely sees things from a unique perspective
He seems to be taking the Anne coulter approach that as long as people are talking about him, that's a good thing.
Regardless of whether what he's saying has any merit or makes any sense.
Here's the A&M postmortem.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/01/the-day-after-week-5-2/
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 01, 2023, 09:21 AMHere's the A&M postmortem.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/01/the-day-after-week-5-2/
He got some of that off me and other woopigers on the twitters.
Colin Cowherd has said on his show many times that there are reasons that career assistants are career assistants. Despite a couple of decent years, we see it is true. Maybe had Sam gotten a chance earlier in life, he would be better, but he has nearly a decade on me and in his position, I don't think I could muster the energy necessary to turn around this shitshow. That's not an indictment of Sam, but just a recognition of reality.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 01, 2023, 09:21 AMHere's the A&M postmortem.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/01/the-day-after-week-5-2/
His analysis about Pittman wanting a raise is spot on. I had never thought of that before. As soon as Pittman hired Sexton and demanded a raise, the "Aww Shucks" crap went out the window. You want to be paid like an elite coach, you better start acting like it.
What Adam is saying is true...the proof is in the puddin. When it comes to making the hard call we are getting it wrong far more than right and when right it's really more of a dumb luck kind of thing.
Yesterday's 4th and 1 was a very critical moment in the game if we punt to them they get the ball and march down the field and score. Then get the ball back to start the 2nd half and score again...game over. So I can see the logic. I think it was a back breaker moment though and it was a point in the game where you didn't need that back breaker. Instead we limp dick about as shitty a forth down play execution possible on the wrong side of the field and put our defense in a very shitty position.
Then come out of the half and pick them off to make it a very manageable game in which we're setup well until KJ has the push rush in his face and cannot cleanly get the ball out...also never looked off his primary so the DE is able to get a paw on it and it's ultimately picked off for an easy 6.
It's just bad offense all the way around and without Hasz it's not looking like there is many bright spots. Agree on TeSlaa isn't getting open and thus every catch is an amazing catch because it has to be. Unless we are going to start calling quick hitting stuff it's hard to blame the WRs for not getting open. We are so easy to defend against because everyone knows token pass rush is going to be enough. Nobody really has to send the house against us unless they are bored.
We need to show a pulse against Ole Miss but no way we're going to out score them. They could start 3rd stringers against us and still win by 20 the way it feels right now. We are done.
need to go back to running tempo a little more. seem way out of sync and letting the opposing defense settle in every play.
We all just need to agree that our football program is in the shitter right now and we may as well flush and move on to the next sport.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 01, 2023, 11:16 AMWe all just need to agree that our football program is in the shitter right now and we may as well flush and move on to the next sport.
In the grief cycle right now I think most of us are in the disbelief mode. Next week comes acceptance. Then comes embrace the horror. Then after that it's numb and apathy bending over without having to be asked. The cycle of depression and dismay with this program is easy to spot and hard to fight against because we always win a few games, pay these coaches big money to fail.
Better start looking at who would want to come to this program as a player. We may revert back to getting players with offers from Podunk U. and such. Players want to play for winning teams.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 11:28 AMIn the grief cycle right now I think most of us are in the disbelief mode. Next week comes acceptance. Then comes embrace the horror. Then after that it's numb and apathy bending over without having to be asked. The cycle of depression and dismay with this program is easy to spot and hard to fight against because we always win a few games, pay these coaches big money to fail.
I jumped straight to numb and apathy this time.
As weak as the SEC is this year, we should have been rolling. But, as usual, the SEC is down and we are lower. Happens every time.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 11:28 AMIn the grief cycle right now I think most of us are in the disbelief mode. Next week comes acceptance. Then comes embrace the horror. Then after that it's numb and apathy bending over without having to be asked. The cycle of depression and dismay with this program is easy to spot and hard to fight against because we always win a few games, pay these coaches big money to fail.
You're behind, Super Chief.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 01, 2023, 12:17 PMI jumped straight to numb and apathy this time.
Yeah I went from excited to worried after week one, then disbelief in week two, then angry last week, and went numb during A&M.
I'm out. Thanks Sam for not being Chad. There's the door.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 01, 2023, 01:36 PMYeah I went from excited to worried after week one, then disbelief in week two, then angry last week, and went numb during A&M.
I'm out. Thanks Sam for not being Chad. There's the door.
You're almost there. I was out after BYU and the LSU game did nothing to bring me back.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 01, 2023, 01:39 PMYou're almost there. I was out after BYU and the LSU game did nothing to bring me back.
Yeah. We didn't look good first two weeks and BYU confirmed "we're not good."
LSU is a one-game aberration that doesn't change the trend.
A&M reconfirms, we're flat out bad. As in not good.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 10:43 AMAgree on TeSlaa isn't getting open and thus every catch is an amazing catch because it has to be.
Some of us have been saying this for weeks.
Teslaa has zero speed and can't get open, and thus every catch looks like a great catch because he's blanketed.
Of course, him being a stereotypical possession receiver doesn't stop Enos from running jet sweeps with him like a dumbass, similar to how he'd try to run them with Keon Hatcher.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 11:28 AMIn the grief cycle right now I think most of us are in the disbelief mode.
I'm not sure how or why people would be in disbelief. As someone who picked 6-6/7-5 I was shocked when I saw people picking us to win 9.
Even before the season it was obvious we were taking pretty sizable steps back in terms of talent at receiver and offensive line, were breaking in a new green DC, and that Enos was a lazy, uninspiring hire for OC whose system didn't fit the personnel we did have (as Ford wrote about in his preseason piece).
Plus, after Liberty and Mizzou as well as the huge blown leads against Ole Miss and Kansas, it was obvious last year that something was very awry with Pittman's program.
When Vegas was predicting us to win 6, I knew the 8/9 win guys were ODing on Kool-Aid.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 01, 2023, 01:39 PMYou're almost there. I was out after BYU and the LSU game did nothing to bring me back.
I knew something was very wrong after the Liberty game last year.
Someone on here put it best — "Something is very wrong with a program that lost to Liberty and Mizzou and turned a Liberty Bowl blowout into a coin flip win, and I'm not bullish on a 60 year old career assistant with F-U money finding it and correcting it."
Pittman's career as an assistant was pretty lame before Georgia. Before that his best stint was at NC under Butch Davis and that was pretty mediocre. Before that he was the OL coach on mostly losing teams for one or two year stints before the whole staff was shitcanned.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 01, 2023, 02:47 PMYeah. We didn't look good first two weeks and BYU confirmed "we're not good."
LSU is a one-game aberration that doesn't change the trend.
A&M reconfirms, we're flat out bad. As in not good.
LSU isn't that much better than we are. They proved that with the loss to Ole Miss, who is also in that basket of mediocre teams with everyone in the west outside of Alabama.
It wouldn't shock me at all to see us beat Ole Miss, then turn around and lose to State, Auburn, and Missouri the rest of the way. We have enough talent to beat anyone left on our schedule. We have the coaching to lose to any and all of them.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 01, 2023, 03:38 PMLSU isn't that much better than we are. They proved that with the loss to Ole Miss, who is also in that basket of mediocre teams with everyone in the west outside of Alabama.
It wouldn't shock me at all to see us beat Ole Miss, then turn around and lose to State, Auburn, and Missouri the rest of the way. We have enough talent to beat anyone left on our schedule. We have the coaching to lose to any and all of them.
I will go with your last sentence.
Quote from: razor5396 on Oct 01, 2023, 10:12 AMHis analysis about Pittman wanting a raise is spot on. I had never thought of that before. As soon as Pittman hired Sexton and demanded a raise, the "Aww Shucks" crap went out the window. You want to be paid like an elite coach, you better start acting like it.
Posted here in the BYU thread, again woo pig is ahead of the rest.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 18, 2023, 02:41 PMwhen he ditched the agent who above and beyond to get him an interview to hire jimmy sexton so he could get rich it showed where his mind and his "fire" is.
he wanted to get paid and paid BIG.
well, he got his money and the results since speak volumes.
dude is just cashing checks and getting pissy when anyone asks him to explain something like the 4th down call Saturday night even thought he's the highest paid state employee in Arkansas and forgets who's paying for his lake house.
look at his position group of speciality - it's the poorest coached group on the team!
Ask why is he willing to allow that to happen? Sadly, it doesn't seem to bother muchness concern him.
when former players are posting on social media not to rip players, that seems to scream out that the coaches need to held responsible for putting the players in bad to awful positions to begin with!
Who is ultimately in charge of that?
what do the offensive line and special teams have in common because problems?
I could see him walking if it goes south cause he doesn't have the fire or desire to turn it around, but then you know the clown show that runs Arkansas football is (as noted before) is just going to go a courting Gus like it's 1995 all over again!
Kudos to Sam for getting us out of the hole that #Hashtag Dumbass put us in but given the talent that doofus left I guess, but maybe 1) it wasn't that hard because the talent was there and 2) yes, doofus was really that horrible of a coach.
I mean we're coming up on game 4 of the season and this ?
https://x.com/JacobScottDavis/status/1703820587670372705
Sam may have pulled us out of the gutter, but if the season ends as badly as it looks like it may, he very will could take us right back there as a job no one wants if enough talent portals.
This could have been a good to great year had he just been willing to pay Briles a little more money.
If history is any indication, the leadership at Arkansas will hire the wrong guy to replace him. Hatfield over Johnson, Nutt over Tuberville, Morris over Norvell, and Pittman over Kiffin, etc.
Throw in a big raise after one mediocre season, and we will be right back here in 4 to 5 years. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 02, 2023, 06:50 AMSam may have pulled us out of the gutter, but if the season ends as badly as it looks like it may, he very will could take us right back there as a job no one wants if enough talent portals.
This could have been a good to great year had he just been willing to pay Briles a little more money.
If history is any indication, the leadership at Arkansas will hire the wrong guy to replace him. Hatfield over Johnson, Nutt over Tuberville, Morris over Norvell, and Pittman over Kiffin, etc.
Throw in a big raise after one mediocre season, and we will be right back here in 4 to 5 years. Wash, rinse, repeat.
This was not going to be a great year under any scenario. Talent is way down.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 02, 2023, 07:03 AMThis was not going to be a great year under any scenario. Talent is way down.
Meh, that just seems like an excuse.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 02, 2023, 07:08 AMMeh, that just seems like an excuse.
Where is the talent on this team?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 02, 2023, 07:03 AMThis was not going to be a great year under any scenario. Talent is way down.
Not really. This is a bullshit excuse. Our defense is more talented than it was last year. The OL have a lot more talent than they are showing, but none of them have been developed properly, and in some cases they aren't playing the most talented ones (specifically E'Marion Harris).
We aren't as talented as Alabama or Georgia and never will be. You can add aTm to that list as well. We have as much or more talent than Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, and Missouri on our remaining schedule. We have far more than BYU...other than a couple of OL they don't have many if any who would see the field here. Our roster is as talented as it ever has been outside of the McFadden years and the Matt Jones/Shawn Andrews group, at a time when most of our division is down. This is 100% on coaching.
Defense statistically has been better. DL has no talent at all. None will see the next level. Linebackers are terrible in run fits. Midmajor talents there. Corners are okay but McAdoo done and McGlothern having to play out of position because of the toe. Safeties are the worst in the league. Worse than Vandy. No talent on OL. Not a single one has any bend. None will see the next level. Receivers are D-2 transfers and it shows.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 02, 2023, 07:56 AMDefense statistically has been better. DL has no talent at all. None will see the next level. Linebackers are terrible in run fits. Midmajor talents there. Corners are okay but McAdoo done and McGlothern having to play out of position because of the toe. Safeties are the worst in the league. Worse than Vandy. No talent on OL. Not a single one has any bend. None will see the next level. Receivers are D-2 transfers and it shows.
The defense played well enough to win the game.
The OL has talented players who have received zero coaching or development. Scheme also works against them...they have spent their entire careers in a spread with wide splits up until now. Limmer will play in the NFL, at least as a backup. They have at least as much talent as some of the lines Petrino had, and he was able to set records. The problem is 10% talent and 90% coaching, at least as it relates to competing with/beating the teams in our cohort, and showing up against better opponents.
The scheme is pitiful. I don't even know how you would try to describe our offensive philosophy. Now you've got Enos emailing students back lol.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 02, 2023, 08:26 AMNow you've got Enos emailing students back lol.
Wait...what?
I think Sam is finally seeing the dark side of coaching. It was all atta boys the first couple of years when he pulled us out of the shitter. People are getting more demanding now. I don't think he wants to go through all the darkness.
Quote from: Gambler on Oct 02, 2023, 09:34 AMI think Sam is finally seeing the dark side of coaching. It was all atta boys the first couple of years when he pulled us out of the shitter. People are getting more demanding now. I don't think he wants to go through all the darkness.
He would be a fool to want it. His best move is to get out right now. Go see HY and tell him he wants out and work out a deal. Save us some money on his buyout and let him get on with his life.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 02, 2023, 09:37 AMHe would be a fool to want it. His best move is to get out right now. Go see HY and tell him he wants out and work out a deal. Save us some money on his buyout and let him get on with his life.
I hope someone close to him encourages him to do this.
I was thinking in my gloom that he would have been incredibly "lucky" to have gotten a sickness that was not life threatening but debilitating enough to not be able to continue coaching sometime around May of this year and he could have been a state hero forever.
Quote from: Gambler on Oct 02, 2023, 09:39 AMI hope someone close to him encourages him to do this.
I really think Sam was motivated to prove he could be a head coach. And in his mind those first two seasons proved it. After that, he went on cruise control. He never wanted the long term grind. Unless he is completely checked out, the next year and a half will be the kind of experience that takes half a dozen years off of your life. I hope he is smart enough to realize that.
Quote from: Gambler on Oct 02, 2023, 09:34 AMI think Sam is finally seeing the dark side of coaching. It was all atta boys the first couple of years when he pulled us out of the shitter. People are getting more demanding now. I don't think he wants to go through all the darkness.
Never thought winning games as "Demanding," but I get your point. He thought he could skate like last year and now it is come full circle.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 02, 2023, 09:47 AMNever thought winning games as "Demanding," but I get your point. He thought he could skate like last year and now it is come full circle.
It is when you consider that your job comes down to 2 numbers, your entire peer group is going to end up even on average for their 2 numbers, you have to grab some extra share of that from that peer group to be deemed "successful", and they all work 15 hour days to take some of your share from you.
You would think you would figure out what you are getting into by watching it for 40 years as an assistant.
Quote from: egregious on Oct 02, 2023, 09:54 AMIt is when you consider that your job comes down to 2 numbers, your entire peer group is going to end up even on average for their 2 numbers, you have to grab some extra share of that from that peer group to be deemed "successful", and they all work 15 hour days to take some of your share from you.
You would think you would figure out what you are getting into by watching it for 40 years as an assistant.
He has already been "successful". He showed he could be a head coach and now he is wealthy by almost any measure. He checked out last year and it won't get any better.
KJ got fucked in this deal. Changing offenses in his senior year was a shit thing to do to him. Might as well go in raw and see if Criswell can do better in this scheme.
Did we even have a list of OC's to hire if we lost Briles, or was this a panic hire? If it was a thoughtful hire, then the thinking was dogshit.
Maybe we need a "Consultant" to "help" Sam for the rest of the year.
I wish there was a way to blacklist agents in our hiring/contracting process. Sexton has fucked us every chance he gets, and with no real consequences to him.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 02, 2023, 11:17 AMKJ got fucked in this deal. Changing offenses in his senior year was a shit thing to do to him. Might as well go in raw and see if Criswell can do better in this scheme.
I think Sam wanted Enos from the beginning and as soon as Briles left, that was his one and only call. He has become Bert, eater of worlds.
Quote from: Gambler on Oct 02, 2023, 09:39 AMI hope someone close to him encourages him to do this.
You mean someone like the attorney/agent he kicked to the curb?
You guys under estimate these coaches willingness to go down with the ship and why not when there is a huge pay day that comes with it. It's more profitable to lose than it is to win for Pittman if you consider it's likely he's done getting contract extensions here.
Legacy? Hell hes going for 20 million you guys crazy
Sam is a bit like Danny Ford. A good ole boy who knows what an SEC player looks like. Our roster is in much better shape than post Chad but our O line is made up of mediocre upperclassmen or young, inexperienced guys who are just starting to figure it out in the SEC.
He will leave us with better talent much like Ford did.
A coach can win here immediately especially with the portal and some NIL money thrown in the right spots.
We have just missed on getting experienced O line portal players time and time again. It is showing.
Danny Ford won a national championship and took us to a sec championship while beating Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
Sam Pittman has won 10 career conference games.
Quote from: Spiderham on Oct 02, 2023, 02:00 PMSam is a bit like Danny Ford. A good ole boy who knows what an SEC player looks like. Our roster is in much better shape than post Chad but our O line is made up of mediocre upperclassmen or young, inexperienced guys who are just starting to figure it out in the SEC.
He will leave us with better talent much like Ford did.
A coach can win here immediately especially with the portal and some NIL money thrown in the right spots.
We have just missed on getting experienced O line portal players time and time again. It is showing.
This isn't given in the portal era.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 02, 2023, 11:17 AMDid we even have a list of OC's to hire if we lost Briles, or was this a panic hire? If it was a thoughtful hire, then the thinking was dogshit.
I'm fairly certain Sam even publicly stated that after Briles turned down the first offer he got after the season (wasn't it South Carolina or Miami?), he got in touch with Enos as a contingency plan in case it happened again. So when the TCU offer came, we told him to go because Pittman had Enos on the hook.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 02, 2023, 03:27 PMThis isn't given in the portal era.
Yep that's pre portal/nil thinking
Any coach that's employed today or hired in the near future who has the financial backing, charisma, and all that other jazz should be able rapidly retool a roster pretty much regardless of the sport.
That may require running off kids you said you wouldn't do that too and that may be the rub with Pittman if we've got some guys that just aren't coming along. Like why are we still putting Chavis and Bishop on our 105? They are older guys that don't play...not even on special teams but dress out.
Quote from: animal on Oct 02, 2023, 03:34 PMThat may require running off kids you said you wouldn't do that too
Or the Deion way, running off kids you said you WOULD do that to.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 02, 2023, 07:03 AMThis was not going to be a great year under any scenario. Talent is way down.
It only appears that way because because of poor coaching. They have better talent than their record shows, but the current offense does not fit the talent on hand.
It will cost Sam his job. I hope it doesn't decimate the team with portal transfers during the transition to a new coaching staff.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 02, 2023, 04:03 PMI hope it doesn't decimate the team with portal transfers during the transition to a new coaching staff.
If that happens that will take my interest down another notch. Football is approaching basketball - instead of one and done it is one and somewhere else.
Roster is gonna turn over anyway. Can't let that stop you from doing anything.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 02, 2023, 04:41 PMRoster is gonna turn over anyway. Can't let that stop you from doing anything.
We'll lose some, but with the right hire we'll gain some as well.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 02, 2023, 04:43 PMWe'll lose some, but with the right hire we'll gain some as well.
Yeah, exactly. That's the game now. We have to play it. And I wS firmly against NIL and at will transfers, but it is a tremendous opportunity for a program like ours. We can turn over a roster every year. Now is not the time for 62 year old career assistants. Now is the time for young offensive gurus who excite players. That excitement is the biggest thing we lost when we lost Briles. No offensive players want to come here just so they can play for Enos.
Colorado was dead in the water with a roster full of losers when they hired Sanders.
The roster was completely turned on its head when he got there and they're now Top-25 and the talk of the town (2 recent losses aside).
Point being: It no longer matters what the team looks like. The next coach will have the luxury (and the expectation) to remake it into his image ASAP.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 02, 2023, 04:03 PMIt only appears that way because because of poor coaching. They have better talent than their record shows, but the current offense does not fit the talent on hand.
It will cost Sam his job. I hope it doesn't decimate the team with portal transfers during the transition to a new coaching staff.
I still think Yurachek doesn't pull the trigger for one more year.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 02, 2023, 05:02 PMPoint being: It no longer matters what the team looks like. The next coach will have the luxury (and the expectation) to remake it into his image ASAP.
hence my waning interest
I don't give a shit if a couple of rich guys go buy us a football team.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 02, 2023, 04:55 PMNow is the time for young offensive gurus who excite players.
I couldn't agree more. It's the only way for a program like Arkansas to compete and be successful. That and they have to have a strong NIL game. I am not sure why it is so hard for the people running the program to understand.
https://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1708889911905206353?s=20
Damn it why didn't I think of that. Hey maybe we should look at shaking things up by running less predictable plays too.
Quote from: animal on Oct 02, 2023, 05:47 PMhttps://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1708889911905206353?s=20
Damn it why didn't I think of that. Hey maybe we should look at shaking things up by running less predictable plays too.
You mean like running or throwing away from where the opposing DL is stacked? Like that?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 02, 2023, 05:53 PMYou mean like running or throwing away from where the opposing DL is stacked? Like that?
This seems to be something worth looking into. As long as it takes us to snap the ball it should give us ample opportunity to figure out if the defense is shifting to one side and then do the opposite. This whole thing where they'll never expect us to run right into their strong side isn't working out.
he can start with his o-line coach.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 02, 2023, 05:04 PMI still think Yurachek doesn't pull the trigger for one more year.
It's simply not going to happen this year even if we lose out.
Year 1: we look like an SEC team again.
Year 2: my god! 9-4! The future's so bright, we gotta wear shades. Sam toast of the town.
Year 3: Hm. 7-6. But a bowl victory. And several close losses. Could have easily been 9-4 again.
Year 4: WTF?
One WTF year does not equal a firing. Sam Pittman is going to be the 2024 Razorback football coach. He ain't quitting either. 2 bad years in a row, he'll be gone then one way or the other.
If you're Yurachek you've got to have a "what are you going to do to fix this?" conversation with Sam near season's end. If you don't like what you hear, it's time to make a move.
You want to be hiring a new coach when few other programs are, and you don't want to be going up against other programs. Florida, A&M, and even Bama could potentially come open after 2024, the latter of which would create a ripple effect if Kiffin gets that job. That was one of the many things going against us in 2019, with Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Mizzou all hiring and all in much better shape than we were in.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 02, 2023, 05:04 PMI still think Yurachek doesn't pull the trigger for one more year.
It's gonna come down to the record and I don't see better than 4-8, maybe 5 wins.
In that case the stadium is empty and Yuri pulls the trigger. Just my guess.
Quote from: TC on Oct 02, 2023, 07:17 PMIt's gonna come down to the record and I don't see better than 4-8, maybe 5 wins.
In that case the stadium is empty and Yuri pulls the trigger. Just my guess.
The emptying will start when they roll back into town on a 5 game losing skid.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 02, 2023, 06:25 PMIt's simply not going to happen this year even if we lose out.
Year 1: we look like an SEC team again.
Year 2: my god! 9-4! The future's so bright, we gotta wear shades. Sam toast of the town.
Year 3: Hm. 7-6. But a bowl victory. And several close losses. Could have easily been 9-4 again.
Year 4: WTF?
One WTF year does not equal a firing. Sam Pittman is going to be the 2024 Razorback football coach. He ain't quitting either. 2 bad years in a row, he'll be gone then one way or the other.
Pretty much. The only way it happens this year is if he decides he has enough money and doesn't need the stress. I give that a 20% chance at best. He'll want the chance to redeem himself(while cashing more checks).
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 02, 2023, 07:24 PMPretty much. The only way it happens this year is if he decides he has enough money and doesn't need the stress. I give that a 20% chance at best. He'll want the chance to redeem himself(while cashing more checks).
"2023 was just one of those years where nothing worked. Every move we made was the wrong move. And we were snakebit. You just gotta put those kinds of years in the rear view mirror and get back on the horse the next fall."
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 02, 2023, 06:05 PMhe can start with his o-line coach.
It's like the players want to get him fired.
I buy the argument that Pittman will get a fifth year. He's basically Bert 2.0 so why not.
Then again, HY had his post season talk with Mike and, after hearing no real plans to improve things, decided to let him go. So there's a precident.
I like Sam on a personal level enough to hope we turn things around. I'm also jaded enough to expect him to flounder between now and Thanksgiving and end the season with us something like 4-8 with a win over one random SEC team and nothing else to show for it. By that point fan anger and November's bad ticket sales might be enough to doom him.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 02, 2023, 07:28 PM"2023 was just one of those years where nothing worked. Every move we made was the wrong move. And we were snakebit. You just gotta put those kinds of years in the rear view mirror and get back on the horse the next fall."
Lotta teams would love to be 2-3 right now, Chuck.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 02, 2023, 08:54 PMLotta teams would love to be 2-3 right now, Chuck.
We are staring 2-5 in the face. And more to come...
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 02, 2023, 09:04 PMWe are staring 2-5 in the face. And more to come...
Its not a stretch that we could be coming back home to FIU losing 7 of the last 8.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 02, 2023, 06:35 PMIf you're Yurachek you've got to have a "what are you going to do to fix this?" conversation with Sam near season's end. If you don't like what you hear, it's time to make a move.
I would like to think that Yurachek has talked to him after the shit-show this past weekend and at least said "to make sure we're aligned, that's not what I expect from our football team."
I tend to think that he has, and that may have prompted the talk about changing up the offensive line. I don't want the AD being prescriptive on what to do, but telling him that he's not happy with how things are going, and making sure Sam's not putting it all down to bad luck is exactly what I would expect. I hope that the AD doesn't just wait until the end of the year to talk performance. We never did that in the business world, and in fact, if you didn't have performance conversations with employees, it would get leaders fired.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 02, 2023, 06:25 PMIt's simply not going to happen this year even if we lose out.
Year 1: we look like an SEC team again.
Year 2: my god! 9-4! The future's so bright, we gotta wear shades. Sam toast of the town.
Year 3: Hm. 7-6. But a bowl victory. And several close losses. Could have easily been 9-4 again.
Year 4: WTF?
One WTF year does not equal a firing. Sam Pittman is going to be the 2024 Razorback football coach. He ain't quitting either. 2 bad years in a row, he'll be gone then one way or the other.
Burt Bielema probably agrees with you.
Year 1: 3-9
Year 2: 7-6
Year 3: 8-5
Year 4: 7-6
Year 5: 4-8
I know it wasn't Yurachek who pulled the trigger, but the people who did make that call last time are still the ones who effectively sign his paychecks. Sam seems to be on the same trajectory.
I think it would take an 0-8 or maybe 1-7 SEC year to do it, but there is no way they can afford to keep Sam if we collapse completely. Simply missing a bowl wouldn't do it, although his ass would be blisteringly hot for next year at anything below 7-5.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 03, 2023, 07:31 AMI would like to think that Yurachek has talked to him after the shit-show this past weekend and at least said "to make sure we're aligned, that's not what I expect from our football team."
I tend to think that he has, and that may have prompted the talk about changing up the offensive line. I don't want the AD being prescriptive on what to do, but telling him that he's not happy with how things are going, and making sure Sam's not putting it all down to bad luck is exactly what I would expect. I hope that the AD doesn't just wait until the end of the year to talk performance. We never did that in the business world, and in fact, if you didn't have performance conversations with employees, it would get leaders fired.
I doubt HY has had much to say to the coach and doesn't have to. He's been fairly quiet on the matter which to me implies that there's not going to be any vote of confidence coming soon.
BUT if we win Saturday he'll be the first motherfucker out on the field with arms in air.
I think Sam is fully aware of the fact that the product he is putting on the field isn't good enough for him to keep his job for long. Yurachek doesn't have to say a word. Pittman has seen plenty of head coaches go out over the years. He knows what he is seeing now.
I'm sure you're both right, but I still think he ought to be telling him. Pressure needs to be high right now. I know Sam knows it's not good enough, but the boss needs to say it to him (and only him) out loud.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/05/matchup-analysis-ole-miss-3/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/05/matchup-analysis-ole-miss-3/)
I am not sure what to make of this article. He either is blaming Kennedy or Enos for the OL woes.
He says we had two years of piss poor recruiting and we can't fill in the holes with the portal. Shouldn't that fall on Pittman?
Regardless, he thinks we should give Pittmn another year. If we keep losing, won't we jeopardize the receuiting more?
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 05, 2023, 07:50 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/05/matchup-analysis-ole-miss-3/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/05/matchup-analysis-ole-miss-3/)
I am not sure what to make of this article. He either is blaming Kennedy or Enos for the OL woes.
He says we had two years of piss poor recruiting and we can't fill in the holes with the portal. Shouldn't that fall on Pittman?
Regardless, he thinks we should give Pittmn another year. If we keep losing, won't we jeopardize the receuiting more?
Boy that is a damn depressing article. There is virtually nothing right about our offense.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 05, 2023, 08:28 PMBoy that is a damn depressing article. There is virtually nothing right about our offense.
Whoever said "goat fucking" in practice this week, may be right.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 05, 2023, 07:50 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/05/matchup-analysis-ole-miss-3/ (https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/05/matchup-analysis-ole-miss-3/)
I am not sure what to make of this article. He either is blaming Kennedy or Enos for the OL woes.
He says we had two years of piss poor recruiting and we can't fill in the holes with the portal. Shouldn't that fall on Pittman?
Regardless, he thinks we should give Pittmn another year. If we keep losing, won't we jeopardize the recruiting more?
I felt like the article kinda missed the mark...I'm not looking it up but I want to say we had several scholarship lineman from the Morris era that figured to be in the till for the next 2-3 years. A couple of which got career ending type injuries after Pittman arrived...Gatlin for one. The majority of those guys played and started for Pittman up until this season, two of which are still currently starting interior lineman. He further insinuates the problems could continue next season on the inside while the outside our tackles get better with age and development. In other words we really don't or won't have juniors and seniors having waited their turn to start at guards and center roles next season. I figure Braun will be back. I'm sure we will try to hit the portal again and hopefully see more success. This season with Braun has been something marginally below the "serviceable" mark from what I'm seeing.
Essentially Pittman and his OL coach would have had the presence of mind to over sign at this particular position group in order to have the numbers we need today. All 3 from the 2020 class gone, none of which were SEC caliber apparently coming off a 1-24 SEC record will do that. The 21 class hasn't exactly lit the world on fire either and odds are good it never will. That's a large gap in recruiting at a position that needs development and maturity unless you are signing your share of Shawn Andrew's caliber kids a lot more often than we have.
Blame in this case I feel is a slippery slope...I kinda feel that by last season early on the alarm bells certainly should have been raised and an all out effort should have been placed on getting some portal guys. You have to be honest with yourself and see that some of the guys you signed aren't panning out. Kennedy may be a horrible OL coach...I have no idea but if you look just at the recruiting the guy has done better than any OL coach we've had in the role since Pittman (rankings wise) and probably better.
Enos I don't really blame because he is who we thought he is. This same exact thing happened when he came the first time and by midseason the team figured some things out, the schedule got a bit softer, and we cranked out some wins. The same thing could happen this season but thus far I'm not that optimstic because the one variable missing is an experienced offensive line. He had it then but not now...our only hope is some things start to click in or the coaches find some "gamers" that maybe haven't had their shot yet. I doubt it though.
Quote from: animal on Oct 05, 2023, 08:36 PMI felt like the article kinda missed the mark...I'm not looking it up but I want to say we had several scholarship lineman from the Morris era that figured to be in the till for the next 2-3 years. A couple of which got career ending type injuries after Pittman arrived...Gatlin for one. The majority of those guys played and started for Pittman up until this season, two of which are still currently starting interior lineman. He further insinuates the problems could continue next season on the inside while the outside our tackles get better with age and development. In other words we really don't or won't have juniors and seniors having waited their turn to start at guards and center roles next season. I figure Braun will be back. I'm sure we will try to hit the portal again and hopefully see more success. This season with Braun has been something marginally below the "serviceable" mark from what I'm seeing.
Essentially Pittman and his OL coach would have had the presence of mind to over sign at this particular position group in order to have the numbers we need today. All 3 from the 2020 class gone, none of which were SEC caliber apparently coming off a 1-24 SEC record will do that. The 21 class hasn't exactly lit the world on fire either and odds are good it never will. That's a large gap in recruiting at a position that needs development and maturity unless you are signing your share of Shawn Andrew's caliber kids a lot more often than we have.
Blame in this case I feel is a slippery slope...I kinda feel that by last season early on the alarm bells certainly should have been raised and an all out effort should have been placed on getting some portal guys. You have to be honest with yourself and see that some of the guys you signed aren't panning out. Kennedy may be a horrible OL coach...I have no idea but if you look just at the recruiting the guy has done better than any OL coach we've had in the role since Pittman (rankings wise) and probably better.
Enos I don't really blame because he is who we thought he is. This same exact thing happened when he came the first time and by midseason the team figured some things out, the schedule got a bit softer, and we cranked out some wins. The same thing could happen this season but thus far I'm not that optimstic because the one variable missing is an experienced offensive line. He had it then but not now...our only hope is some things start to click in or the coaches find some "gamers" that maybe haven't had their shot yet. I doubt it though.
KJ ain't as good as Brandon Allen was either. Brandon didn't have the physical tools KJ does, but he was far better at running an offense like Enos'.
Quote from: animal on Oct 05, 2023, 08:36 PMEnos I don't really blame because he is who we thought he is. This same exact thing happened when he came the first time and by midseason the team figured some things out, the schedule got a bit softer, and we cranked out some wins. The same thing could happen this season but thus far I'm not that optimstic because the one variable missing is an experienced offensive line. He had it then but not now...our only hope is some things start to click in or the coaches find some "gamers" that maybe haven't had their shot yet. I doubt it though.
I sort of held on to the rope after LSU thinking "well, we sucked ass at the beginning of 2015 and were one of the best offenses in the SEC by season's end." That's foolish thinking on my part.
To your point, the difference is that 2015 offensive line was special. You had two 3 year guys in Skipper and Kirkland, a future Pro Bowler in Ragnow (soph), and Tretola. This year's line would piss their pants if those guys walked up on them in the streets.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 05, 2023, 09:34 PMKJ ain't as good as Brandon Allen was either. Brandon didn't have the physical tools KJ does, but he was far better at running an offense like Enos'.
Give him a few more games to see if we turn it around, but at some point seat playing for next year. See what Criswell or the freshman
Quote from: Feral on Oct 05, 2023, 09:54 PMI sort of held on to the rope after LSU thinking "well, we sucked ass at the beginning of 2015 and were one of the best offenses in the SEC by season's end." That's foolish thinking on my part.
To your point, the difference is that 2015 offensive line was special. You had two 3 year guys in Skipper and Kirkland, a future Pro Bowler in Ragnow (soph), and Tretola. This year's line would piss their pants if those guys walked up on them in the streets.
Interesting comparison. We HAD a Henry-esque tight end this year, but not really an Alex Collins. But mostly, it's our paper doll line and COBOL processing QB in a Python era.
The thing with KJ is everyone acts like the long developing plays began this season. We were often letting our WRs run down the field for long stretches and KJ launching. Remember the "fuck it Treylon down there somewhere"...those plays weren't done in a blink of an eye.
KJ is being asked to read defenses and make his progressions while in the pocket where as in the past things were probably much more cut in dry where if the pass to the primary wasn't there you go into run mode. RPO. If Enos had a couple years to work with him then maybe he could make something out of the guy but thus far all he's done is tell pro scouts the dude isn't an NFL QB.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 05, 2023, 11:11 PMBut mostly, it's our paper doll line and COBOL processing QB in a Python era.
As someone who works in IT, hats off to you sir for this reference. I chortled.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 06, 2023, 07:23 AMAs someone who works in IT, hats off to you sir for this reference. I chortled.
Me too
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 05, 2023, 09:34 PMKJ ain't as good as Brandon Allen was either. Brandon didn't have the physical tools KJ does, but he was far better at running an offense like Enos'.
Brandon Allen also wasn't getting hit every other time he dropped back like KJ. That team gave up like only 13 sacks all year.
The OL this year gave up 11 sacks in the last two games.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Oct 06, 2023, 08:53 AMBrandon Allen also wasn't getting hit every other time he dropped back like KJ. That team gave up like only 13 sacks all year.
The OL this year gave up 11 sacks in the last two games.
don't let this get in the way.
Quote from: animal on Oct 06, 2023, 06:35 AMThe thing with KJ is everyone acts like the long developing plays began this season. We were often letting our WRs run down the field for long stretches and KJ launching. Remember the "fuck it Treylon down there somewhere"...those plays weren't done in a blink of an eye.
KJ is being asked to read defenses and make his progressions while in the pocket where as in the past things were probably much more cut in dry where if the pass to the primary wasn't there you go into run mode. RPO. If Enos had a couple years to work with him then maybe he could make something out of the guy but thus far all he's done is tell pro scouts the dude isn't an NFL QB.
That's putting together dumb and dumber. Enos working with KJ would result in exactly what you saw last Saturday.
Based on Enos stupid email responses, he will never put kj under center and never run a qb sneak on fourth and inches. Ficking idiot. On many counts.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 05, 2023, 11:11 PMInteresting comparison. We HAD a Henry-esque tight end this year, but not really an Alex Collins. But mostly, it's our paper doll line and COBOL processing QB in a Python era.
We don't need a thread about KJ's Python.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 06, 2023, 09:28 AMBased on Enos stupid email responses, he will never put kj under center and never run a qb sneak on fourth and inches. Ficking idiot. On many counts.
This.
I don't know what's worse, the fact that he was emailing students or what was in them.
Likely the latter since the dumbass thinks
NOT lining up in the shotgun on 4th and short is idiotic.
He should be fired, not for the act of emailing students, but for knowing less about situational football than someone who can't legally consume alcohol.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 06, 2023, 09:32 AMWe don't need a thread about KJ's Python.
You never watched Snakes on a Plane, did you?
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 06, 2023, 09:32 AMWe don't need a thread about KJ's Python.
I bet it's like Gary Coleman's fucking forearm.
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1713259215026880869?s=20
Some people are better at expressing their emotions than others.
The fact that no one on the field could see that obvious pressure coming...
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 14, 2023, 08:30 PMThe fact that no one on the field could see that obvious pressure coming...
I mean, KJ is a deer in the headlights young starter who will learn to pick that up.
Right? Right?
Beuller?
That play is irritatingly retarded. If the ball was placed in the center of the field all 11 on offense would have been between the hashes. That was a needlessly tight formation with exactly no hope of doing anything. With that play design it virtually assures you'll have 11 in the box against your elite run/pass blockers offering zero misdirection...just drop back and wait for the tight-end #44 to completely blow blocking the guy coming from the edge.
Quote from: animal on Oct 15, 2023, 06:37 AMThat play is irritatingly retarded. If the ball was placed in the center of the field all 11 on offense would have been between the hashes. That was a needlessly tight formation with exactly no hope of doing anything. With that play design it virtually assures you'll have 11 in the box against your elite run/pass blockers offering zero misdirection...just drop back and wait for the tight-end #44 to completely blow blocking the guy coming from the edge.
But we ran it perfectly in practice.
Quote from: animal on Oct 14, 2023, 08:28 PMhttps://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1713259215026880869?s=20
Some people are better at expressing their emotions than others.
My wife knows jack shit about football, and even she keeps asking "why are they bunching everyone in so close, wouldn't that bring more defenders close to the play?"
Maybe she should email Enos.
Enos likes his window dressing so it's possible we were to line up in that tight formation and then have guys motion out of it...maybe the play clock was running down. IDK...weird but that's the only logical thing I can think of. We might have motioned into that abysmal play design...don't see the whole thing from break of the huddle to the 9 yard sack.
11 in the box but Bama still only sends like 5 people. Looks like it was meant to go to AJ Green on a little dump pass for a gain of nothing. Bama knew EXACTLY what we were going to run.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 06, 2023, 07:23 AMAs someone who works in IT, hats off to you sir for this reference. I chortled.
As a technotard, I have no idea what any of that means.
I suspect it means KJ is a "great athlete" in old coach-speak.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/22/the-day-after-week-8-2/
Oof...
And this is where Pittman's postgame admission that "I just didn't know what to do" in that situation goes from sad to infuriating. Because Pittman invited this on himself. He thought he was a big-time coach, he fired his local agent, and he hired super-agent Jimmy Sexton and negotiated a contract that doubled his salary from $3 million to $6 million. But he's not worth $6 million. He's 9-12 (3-10 SEC) with home losses to Liberty and BYU during this contract. Oh yeah, and Mississippi State 7, Arkansas 3.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 22, 2023, 04:12 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/22/the-day-after-week-8-2/
Oof...
And this is where Pittman's postgame admission that "I just didn't know what to do" in that situation goes from sad to infuriating. Because Pittman invited this on himself. He thought he was a big-time coach, he fired his local agent, and he hired super-agent Jimmy Sexton and negotiated a contract that doubled his salary from $3 million to $6 million. But he's not worth $6 million. He's 9-12 (3-10 SEC) with home losses to Liberty and BYU during this contract. Oh yeah, and Mississippi State 7, Arkansas 3.
I'm pretty sure he missed a key point in his analysis of Sam and his buyout. Unless I'm mistaken, the covid year doesn't count towards Sam's record for buyout or extension purposes. He's 18-16 now with four games remaining. Unless we lose all four (including FIU) he'll be at .500 at the end of the year, so no buyout reduction.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 22, 2023, 06:35 PMI'm pretty sure he missed a key point in his analysis of Sam and his buyout. Unless I'm mistaken, the covid year doesn't count towards Sam's record for buyout or extension purposes. He's 18-16 now with four games remaining. Unless we lose all four (including FIU) he'll be at .500 at the end of the year, so no buyout reduction.
Had the same thought when reading FV's analysis. I thought the COVID year doesn't count towards Pittman's career win/loss when it comes to buyout language?
one bright note in their report - South Carolina may be preventing us from a couple of years of Dowell Loggains fucking up here somewhere down the road.
Quote from: egregious on Oct 22, 2023, 07:25 PMone bright note in their report - South Carolina may be preventing us from a couple of years of Dowell Loggains fucking up here somewhere down the road.
Illinois might be doing the same with Lunney.
They're ranked 81st in total offense and 111th in scoring offense. Woof.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 22, 2023, 06:35 PMI'm pretty sure he missed a key point in his analysis of Sam and his buyout. Unless I'm mistaken, the covid year doesn't count towards Sam's record for buyout or extension purposes. He's 18-16 now with four games remaining. Unless we lose all four (including FIU) he'll be at .500 at the end of the year, so no buyout reduction.
The buyout is reduced if we can him, it's just a question of how much. If his record from 2021 forward is at or above .500, it's a 25% discount. If below .500, it's a 50% discount.
As this article posits, the FIU game could potentially be worth $5mm to Fat Sam.
https://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/news/sam-pittman-buyout-detailing-potential-cost-to-fire-arkansas-head-football-coach/
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 23, 2023, 07:41 AMThe buyout is reduced if we can him, it's just a question of how much. If his record from 2021 forward is at or above .500, it's a 25% discount. If below .500, it's a 50% discount.
As this article posits, the FIU game could potentially be worth $5mm to Fat Sam.
https://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/news/sam-pittman-buyout-detailing-potential-cost-to-fire-arkansas-head-football-coach/
That's what I thought. Adam Ford's analysis was including 2020.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 23, 2023, 07:41 AMAs this article posits, the FIU game could potentially be worth $5mm to Fat Sam.
Can he do some on the spot NIL?
Split up a million, keep 9
It's short and...sour.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/23/box-score-breakdown-mississippi-state-7-arkansas-3/
This is just unfathomable:
"TWO PERCENT EXPLOSIVE PLAY RATE. Two percent. That's a 2. That's actually a round-up: it's 1.6%. That happens to be the fourth-lowest explosive play rate by an FBS team this season, in 970 games. Only Navy against Air Force, Sam Houston against Air Force, and Northern Illinois against Nebraska were worse."
And this is probably worse:
"... just two Hog drives got a first down inside the State 40, and one of them started there thanks to a pick. The other was mismanaged into a punt by Sam Pittman."
Good stuff on Read & React where Cole Cubelik breaks down why Slide Protection has become the fad blocking go-to for OL coaches and why college OL are so terrible at it.
I assume we are currently doing a lot of slide.
Our OL does more "slip" than "slide"
Quote from: animal on Oct 23, 2023, 06:57 PMI assume we are currently doing a lot of slide.
Oh yeah, the Electric Slide.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 23, 2023, 06:17 PMIt's short and...sour.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/23/box-score-breakdown-mississippi-state-7-arkansas-3/
This is just unfathomable:
"TWO PERCENT EXPLOSIVE PLAY RATE. Two percent. That's a 2. That's actually a round-up: it's 1.6%. That happens to be the fourth-lowest explosive play rate by an FBS team this season, in 970 games. Only Navy against Air Force, Sam Houston against Air Force, and Northern Illinois against Nebraska were worse."
And this is probably worse:
"... just two Hog drives got a first down inside the State 40, and one of them started there thanks to a pick. The other was mismanaged into a punt by Sam Pittman."
I'll give Ford a ton of credit.
He called it with Enos before the season and predicted we'd struggle because his style was a diametric shift from Briles and thus would be a tough transition for guys like KJ and Rocket.
He accurately predicted Rocket (and our other backs) would struggle in this scheme, and he predicted that our explosive play rate would diminish significantly.
While many of us were holding onto the rope of 2015, he also called out that Enos's offense was different now, not necessarily modern or better, and that it didn't incorporate RPOs.
Kenny Guiton played under Urban Meyer if I recall correctly at Ohio State, played behind Braxton Miller for much of his career. His OC at the time was Tom Herman who he followed to Texas as a offensive QC before returning to Houston as a WR coach. I highly doubt he's some dummy.
So anyway I figure he will reintroduce some of the same things we were doing under Briles and if he's there long enough maybe we work in some of that Urb/Herman type shit. If we were a real program we would be trying to hire Urban Meyer (HC) instead of Michigan State. At least at Arkansas he's got a better built-in excuse for losing. It's a nice free money job for a good 4 or 5 year stretch.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Oct 23, 2023, 07:06 PMOur OL does more "slip" than "slide"
Our OL is more of a bullfight "ole'" type. They move the cape out of the way as the DL is charging through.
Quote from: animal on Oct 24, 2023, 06:10 AMIf we were a real program we would be trying to hire Urban Meyer (HC) instead of Michigan State. At least at Arkansas he's got a better built-in excuse for losing. It's a nice free money job for a good 4 or 5 year stretch.
I think Urban has a mental disorder where losing makes him physically ill and have a nervous breakdown.
Our losing culture would make his heart explode.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 24, 2023, 09:17 AMI think Urban has a mental disorder where losing makes him physically ill and have a nervous breakdown.
Our losing culture would make his heart explode.
He's probably having a panic attack just from us talking about him and the Arkansas job.
Quote from: Spiderham on Oct 24, 2023, 09:21 AMHe's probably having a panic attack just from us talking about him and the Arkansas job.
:maundoed:
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/30/the-week-ahead-week-10-2/
His comments regarding the Liberty loss last year raise eyebrows now in the post-sign stealing scandal era.
Still doesn't excuse our loss, but it might possibly help explain it.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 31, 2023, 10:21 AMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/30/the-week-ahead-week-10-2/
His comments regarding the Liberty loss last year raise eyebrows now in the post-sign stealing scandal era.
Still doesn't excuse our loss, but it might possibly help explain it.
I'm still confused about why anyone ever thought KJ could go pro.
Kendal Briles told him "throw here" on most passes, but Dan Enos went for a more pro-style scheme where Jefferson had to get through progressions. I get the idea, but that's not who Jefferson is, and it was a disaster.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 31, 2023, 11:04 AMI'm still confused about why anyone ever thought KJ could go pro.
Kendal Briles told him "throw here" on most passes, but Dan Enos went for a more pro-style scheme where Jefferson had to get through progressions. I get the idea, but that's not who Jefferson is, and it was a disaster.
Obviously that was hyperbole.
KJ had more RPO under Briles and generally did well with those. If anything, that play style tends to cut down the field into fewer sections to scan/read on any given play.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 31, 2023, 11:04 AMI'm still confused about why anyone ever thought KJ could go pro.
Kendal Briles told him "throw here" on most passes, but Dan Enos went for a more pro-style scheme where Jefferson had to get through progressions. I get the idea, but that's not who Jefferson is, and it was a disaster.
Do we need to post the list of functional illiterates who made it to the NFL as QB? Some of whom were even top 1-2 draft picks?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 31, 2023, 11:31 AMDo we need to post the list of functional illiterates who made it to the NFL as QB? Some of whom were even top 1-2 draft picks?
36! That's a play!
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 31, 2023, 11:31 AMDo we need to post the list of functional illiterates who made it to the NFL as QB? Some of whom were even top 1-2 draft picks?
Made it TO the NFL or made it IN the NFL?
Plus, the example describes football intelligence, which is directly relevant.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 31, 2023, 12:57 PMMade it TO the NFL or made it IN the NFL?
Plus, the example describes football intelligence, which is directly relevant.
To. You said "go pro", not "make it as an NFL QB."
Cam Newton
JaDrankus Russell
Ryan Leaf
Johnny Dickhead
Etc. etc.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 31, 2023, 12:59 PMTo. You said "go pro", not "make it as an NFL QB."
Cam Newton
JaDrankus Russell
Ryan Leaf
Johnny Dickhead
Etc. etc.
You forgot Vince Young.
All those examples, as college QBs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
KJ. My phone doesn't hold enough greater signs.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 31, 2023, 01:04 PMAll those examples, as college QBs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
KJ. My phone doesn't hold enough greater signs.
KJ was plenty good enough under the previous OC. I get that you want to blame him for our offense being ass this year, and he deserves some of that, but he was a very good, nearly elite college QB for the two previous years.
You can disagree with that, but just understand that if you do you are indisputably wrong.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 31, 2023, 01:06 PMKJ was plenty good enough under the previous OC. I get that you want to blame him for our offense being ass this year, and he deserves some of that, but he was a very good, nearly elite college QB for the two previous years.
You can disagree with that, but just understand that if you do you are indisputably wrong.
I have never been a KJ fan and I will wear that on my sleeve.
We all have opinions and mine can be wrong but not in this case.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 31, 2023, 01:21 PMI have never been a KJ fan and I will wear that on my sleeve.
We all have opinions and mine can be wrong but not in this case.
Again, you aren't wrong about his performance this year. You are wrong about how he performed the previous years. The numbers do not lie in either case.
I don't mean to be so confrontational about this. Like anyone else here I'm wrong plenty, but usually not to the degree I was with this year's team. It's kind of freaking me out that I missed so badly.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 01, 2023, 07:50 AMAgain, you aren't wrong about his performance this year. You are wrong about how he performed the previous years. The numbers do not lie in either case.
I don't mean to be so confrontational about this. Like anyone else here I'm wrong plenty, but usually not to the degree I was with this year's team. It's kind of freaking me out that I missed so badly.
"I have never been a KJ fan" is an opinion that is neither right nor wrong. It just is. It may help to recognize that as a Steelers fan, I never liked Ben Roethlisberger. He got far too much credit for being a big QB hard to tackle, when in reality he got sacked over and over and over and over again because it was in his head that he was a big QB hard to sack. When he wasn't. KJ is the same. To get my fandom, these QBs should be practicing the important QB qualities of quick hits (such as Brady), throwaways (pretty much every QB), or elusiveness (such as Johnny Football). I just don't like the Roethlisberger/KJ quarterbacking style. Not a fan.
As far as KJ's effectiveness as a QB, obviously it's awful this year. My view of him was colored by the Mizzou game I attended in Columbia the Covid year. He was very inaccurate. I went to the recent Mississippi St. debacle. He was still very inaccurate.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 01, 2023, 08:26 AM"I have never been a KJ fan" is an opinion that is neither right nor wrong. It just is. It may help to recognize that as a Steelers fan, I never liked Ben Roethlisberger. He got far too much credit for being a big QB hard to tackle, when in reality he got sacked over and over and over and over again because it was in his head that he was a big QB hard to sack. When he wasn't. KJ is the same. To get my fandom, these QBs should be practicing the important QB qualities of quick hits (such as Brady), throwaways (pretty much every QB), or elusiveness (such as Johnny Football). I just don't like the Roethlisberger/KJ quarterbacking style. Not a fan.
As far as KJ's effectiveness as a QB, obviously it's awful this year. My view of him was colored by the Mizzou game I attended in Columbia the Covid year. He was very inaccurate. I went to the recent Mississippi St. debacle. He was still very inaccurate.
Not being a fan is an opinion. Stating he is inaccurate is a factual statement that can easily be proven wrong with statistics, at least for the 2021-2022 seasons. You can't put up the completion percentage, yards per attempt, and TD to interception numbers he did in those seasons if you're inaccurate.
My opinion is that he is in a style of offense that doesn't play to his strengths (arm strength, accuracy on deeper throws, ability to scramble) and accentuates his weaknesses (reading defenses, quick decision making). It's made worse by the fact that our offensive line couldn't create a pass pocket against the Woopig second team defensive line. Tom fucking Brady wouldn't look good behind this line, running this scheme.
I think even under Briles KJ was a bigger part of our offensive problems than we acknowledged. He has always missed open receivers and missed them to throw to receivers short of the sticks on third downs. He has never been good at throwing a receiver open and he has always taken sacks because he took too long to make a decision. It just seems that our last OC was willing to live with these shortcomings and design things to work with him and bring out his really good attributes. Enos didn't get that.
Oh well, it's mostly spilled milk now. No need to rehash it all over and over. I just want a reason to look to the future with optimism. I don't see much of one if Sam comes back.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 01, 2023, 08:35 AMNot being a fan is an opinion. Stating he is inaccurate is a factual statement that can easily be proven wrong with statistics, at least for the 2021-2022 seasons. You can't put up the completion percentage, yards per attempt, and TD to interception numbers he did in those seasons if you're inaccurate.
My opinion is that he is in a style of offense that doesn't play to his strengths (arm strength, accuracy on deeper throws, ability to scramble) and accentuates his weaknesses (reading defenses, quick decision making). It's made worse by the fact that our offensive line couldn't create a pass pocket against the Woopig second team defensive line. Tom fucking Brady wouldn't look good behind this line, running this scheme.
Agreed.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 31, 2023, 12:59 PMTo. You said "go pro", not "make it as an NFL QB."
Cam Newton
JaDrankus Russell
Ryan Leaf
Johnny Dickhead
Etc. etc.
Vince Young passed his wonderlic because he spelled his name correct.
No question KJ was a more effective QB under Briles.
No question KJ was also very likely a limiting factor these past few years because for all the good and great he is...there is also a heavy element of fail to him. He was at his best with a legit NFL WR on the roster and hasn't really been the same thereafter which certainly isn't his fault. Arguably it's the fault of the guy now calling the plays...Guiton. Our WR "room" has steadily gone down hill since Justin Stepp departed.
He's not the greatest decision maker and this season just enhanced it by a million percent. As someone on woopig has said many times...million dollar arm...ten cent head.
KJ could still take a super senior covid year if I'm not mistaken which could mean we'll see him transfer to ole say TCU next season.
Worried about the position coach of the WR's not running very precise patterns at all, now being our OC.
Success is about doing the little things very well. Not sure Guiton has proven he "gets that".
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 02, 2023, 07:28 AMWorried about the position coach of the WR's not running very precise patterns at all, now being our OC.
Success is about doing the little things very well. Not sure Guiton has proven he "gets that".
hey! they closed practice (sure it was only the 25 minutes the media gets to see them stretch then run skeletons) so they are going to be LASER focused!!! lol.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 02, 2023, 07:28 AMWorried about the position coach of the WR's not running very precise patterns at all, now being our OC.
Success is about doing the little things very well. Not sure Guiton has proven he "gets that".
Maybe he's a better playcaller than position coach. I don't believe it and our WRs run sloppy lazy routes. Maybe that was Enos philosophy and it's gone. I don't believe that either. Sams no help. He doesn't know what a "route" is.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 02, 2023, 11:57 PMSams no help. He doesn't know what a "route" is.
He knows the Route 44 Sonic drink, you better believe it
Quote from: animal on Nov 02, 2023, 06:52 AMNo question KJ was a more effective QB under Briles.
No question KJ was also very likely a limiting factor these past few years because for all the good and great he is...there is also a heavy element of fail to him. He was at his best with a legit NFL WR on the roster and hasn't really been the same thereafter which certainly isn't his fault. Arguably it's the fault of the guy now calling the plays...Guiton. Our WR "room" has steadily gone down hill since Justin Stepp departed.
He's not the greatest decision maker and this season just enhanced it by a million percent. As someone on woopig has said many times...million dollar arm...ten cent head.
KJ could still take a super senior covid year if I'm not mistaken which could mean we'll see him transfer to ole say TCU next season.
I'd say he's a typical cfb QB who is capable of winning 8 games a year in the SEC most years. He's physically gifted enough to end up XFL/CFL/Arena ball. There is enough skill with him to build around is all I'm saying.
well, we showed up in florida. why do they post this? is it not a distraction?
https://x.com/RazorbackFB/status/1720562406558924865?s=20
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/11/03/matchup-analysis-florida/
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 03, 2023, 06:20 PMwell, we showed up in florida. why do they post this? is it not a distraction?
They wanted to show something before the trip veers into the fitch, figuratively speaking.
pictures of players getting off a plane is a distraction? to who exactly?
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 03, 2023, 06:47 PMpictures of players getting off a plane is a distraction? to who exactly?
I think you missed the earlier posts.
They closed the open part of practice earlier this week. The open part was the 20 minutes of stretching they did. I think Doc was being sarcastic.
They like Guiton.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/11/06/box-score-breakdown-arkansas-39-florida-36/
Pretty remarkable feat he pulled off Saturday. I guess I have only seen Guiton's name in print. How is pronounced?
I'm still not 100% sold on KG.
We were in a lot of 3rd and longs yesterday and were bailed out usually by a great KJ run. Granted, we didn't have a lot of those earlier this year, and there were a few big throws he made to keep the chains moving.
He seems better than Enos, but that bar is subterranean. Let's see how the Auburn game goes.
This game should be treated as the 2007 LSU game. Awesome we won, but the coach still needs to go
k j has been bailing out the offense, except for this season when he was obviously told not to run, his entire career. not sure that should be a knock on anyone.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 06, 2023, 01:00 PMPretty remarkable feat he pulled off Saturday. I guess I have only seen Guiton's name in print. How is pronounced?
Guy ton
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 06, 2023, 01:00 PMPretty remarkable feat he pulled off Saturday. I guess I have only seen Guiton's name in print. How is pronounced?
Quote from: animal on Nov 06, 2023, 01:43 PMGuy ton
GUYT-uhn. Emphasis on the first syllable.
C:-)
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/12/06/cody-kennedy-may-have-been-a-scapegoat/
cliffs:
1. it wasn't all Kennedy's fault (blame Enos and recruits failing to pan out during the Covid years)
2. an elite OL coach still should have done better than what we did
3. Mateos probably isn't an upgrade, but he's not a downgrade, and the change in offensive scheme (Petrino) will matter more than the OL coach
Quote from: bigpig on Dec 08, 2023, 12:03 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/12/06/cody-kennedy-may-have-been-a-scapegoat/
cliffs:
1. it wasn't all Kennedy's fault (blame Enos and recruits failing to pan out during the Covid years)
2. an elite OL coach still should have done better than what we did
3. Mateos probably isn't an upgrade, but he's not a downgrade, and the change in offensive scheme (Petrino) will matter more than the OL coach
He seems to beat around the bush that Pittman is the problem of where we are now.
Hiring Petrino is his two year pass.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 08, 2023, 01:41 PMHe seems to beat around the bush that Pittman is the problem of where we are now.
Hiring Petrino is his two year pass.
Yes I picked up on that hint as well.
Pittman can both be the problem and the solution at the same time in some kind of quantum fuckery of deep thought. After all he did have a giant set of nuts on him to hire Bobby Petrino. That's if he was actually the one to do it and I don't believe for a minute it was his idea but he may well have been on board with it. So lets pretend it was his idea...it takes a big man to admit you got a problem and I for one feel BMFP deserves a chance to end things the right way and hopefully he's here and successful for the next several years.
If you want to dig deeper I'm sure all one needs to do is look at those covid recruiting years. Clearly we got drunk on Super Seniors which helped deodorize the otherwise horrendous recruiting or to the point we flat out weren't developing guys. Some of that you can just say it was a coaching staff still trying to find their footing. If we're still looking at class after class with giant positional gaps on the roster then I think we'll have to officially suggest that Pittman's running an of an SEC program is just another clusterfuck fail in a long line of them.
We need to be ahead of the curve on NIL not sitting on our asses crying in our beer while the other teams having their collective hands up our girlfriends snatches. You got to get your raincoat on and get to fucking just like everyone else or you'll be left behind. We need some hella legit bag men NIL experts with pro level player acquisition experience. Not as on the field coaches but as "analysts" and "recruiting coordinators" director of sound financial planning etc.
Interesting question posed by the wizard. Just looking at the stats on my phone I'm going with D.
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1733326440156803334?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 09, 2023, 06:54 AMInteresting question posed by the wizard. Just looking at the stats on my phone I'm going with D.
https://x.com/adamford92/status/1733326440156803334?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
imma guess player b is none other than KJ
Quote from: animal on Dec 09, 2023, 08:02 AMimma guess player b is none other than KJ
I'm going with C as KJ.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Dec 09, 2023, 10:25 AMI'm going with C as KJ.
KJ had a 26% Sack/Pr% (bad). The 8% guy is the Boise State QB in the portal that we are looking at suggesting he moves well in the pocket and has escape ability. Obviously against SEC defenses he aint doing 8% without getting behind the Bama/Gerogia level of holding.
I'm wondering if we are also looking at Jordan McCloud formerly of JMU (12.5% sack/pr, put up large numbers as a senior.
KJ not into the portal just yet kinda suggests he may be considering coming back IF we can fix some need positions (OL, RB, WR)...but they are apparently looking at experienced QBs nonetheless.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/12/10/evaluating-arkansas-positions-of-need-on-offense/
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 10, 2023, 10:27 AMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2023/12/10/evaluating-arkansas-positions-of-need-on-offense/
QuoteWhat many were calling the deepest and most talented running back room in school history found itself exposed in 2023
Um, who in the fuck was saying that? I mean, yea, coming into the year I would have said the RB room was deep and talented. But not Dmac, Felix, Peyton Hillis deep and talented.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Dec 10, 2023, 11:07 AMUm, who in the fuck was saying that? I mean, yea, coming into the year I would have said the RB room was deep and talented. But not Dmac, Felix, Peyton Hillis deep and talented.
You mean as good as the deepest and most talented RB room in the history of football? Yeah, I don't think anyone thought that.
Ford made the point that Dubinion could play the Ronnie Wingo role, but I don't think I see that. Augustave should be a great fit, possibly the next Knile, and we have a 4-star coming in. The room should look better with a better scheme.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Dec 10, 2023, 12:27 PMYou mean as good as the deepest and most talented RB room in the history of football? Yeah, I don't think anyone thought that.
Ford made the point that Dubinion could play the Ronnie Wingo role, but I don't think I see that. Augustave should be a great fit, possibly the next Knile, and we have a 4-star coming in. The room should look better with a better scheme.
Dubinion regressed bigly this season but may have been due to injury and the fact that the O Line was a bag of dicks. All I know is in light duty Augustive came in and ran hard and gained yards behind the same line that the other guys kept finding spots on the turf to lay down on.
God damn this is brutal
https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/01/07/box-score-breakdown-auburn-83-arkansas-51/
Quote from: razor5396 on Jan 07, 2024, 07:07 PMGod damn this is brutal
https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/01/07/box-score-breakdown-auburn-83-arkansas-51/
Unbuffable. But I will say I feel smarter after every read they put out.
Quote from: razor5396 on Jan 07, 2024, 07:07 PMGod damn this is brutal
https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/01/07/box-score-breakdown-auburn-83-arkansas-51/
Yep.
TLDR highlights:
"It took Tramon Mark – who is 6'6 – a month and a half to get his first offensive board of the year."
"The offensive rebounding and forcing turnovers part are why I think this was a serious failure of roster building, because Arkansas signed a bunch of guys who were not good at these things, so I don't know what the expectation was."
"Many of these stats – turnovers, rebounds, transition – are related to effort and will to win, which this team doesn't have."
"Arkansas just didn't get very good players in the portal."
https://www.fayvillains.com/2024/03/13/how-will-arkansas-change-its-transfer-portal-strategy-for-next-year/
Still working my way through Adam's latest and greatest. A few of things I struggle with. First, how did what by his estimates indicate a very mediocre class reconcile with the extraordinary performances against Purdue and Duke. Second, the locker room issues that have become very apparent. Third, Chandler Lawson. In both the Purdue and Duke games, he was fantastic. Otherwise, not so much.
I wanted to bring this back up top as I'm very interested in the "what do we do next year?" from his perspective and from the great knowledge we have here.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Mar 13, 2024, 04:30 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2024/03/13/how-will-arkansas-change-its-transfer-portal-strategy-for-next-year/
Still working my way through Adam's latest and greatest. A few of things I struggle with. First, how did what by his estimates indicate a very mediocre class reconcile with the extraordinary performances against Purdue and Duke. Second, the locker room issues that have become very apparent. Third, Chandler Lawson. In both the Purdue and Duke games, he was fantastic. Otherwise, not so much.
I wanted to bring this back up top as I'm very interested in the "what do we do next year?" from his perspective and from the great knowledge we have here.
Purdue you can just toss out.
It was real to us damn it is not an excuse for the fact that the players on the court damn well knew they weren't real bullets. Purdue sure looked like it gave a fuck about the game but in the end the way the game was officiated and overall it didn't count and cannot be accounted for in any form or fashion.
The Duke game...simply put Duke has lost a few of this season namely on the road to teams that in years past wouldn't have been Ls and lets face it...the new coach isn't Coach K. They aren't getting the calls and no-calls. Duke's slide has probably already begun.
In our best performances on the season we lost 3 of 4 of them and that simply cannot happen. That's a difference between maybe being a bubble team or not. If we're sitting at 19 wins right now...we're probably not in but we would be telling ourselves a couple wins in the SECT may be enough.
Were do we go from here? That's a tough one to answer. I don't recall our freshman crop last season lingering too long to make decisions on their NBA future. Ford didn't hold onto that point but he basically said most of these guys came off the portal board quickly. If we dicked around on not knowing who was coming back that could explain a few things but mostly I think it comes down to shit recruiting and/or not having the NIL money to throw down. I kinda feel like we've been making that mistake of either not retaining guys that could be developed into the program or not cutting bait quick enough and loading up soon enough. This is why evals have to be on the nuts and I mean RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
Russians don't take a dump without a plan. We'll we sure looked like the keystone cops last time in the offseason portal. We were signing guard after guard and everyone we wondering where the athletic bigs and slashers were? We're still waiting. Yes we needed point guard help but that didn't mean sign 4 point guard of which none can play the position.
Any kind of a Duke slide is highly suspect thanks to this.IMG_8502.jpeg
Quote from: Cornhogio on Mar 13, 2024, 04:30 PMhttps://www.fayvillains.com/2024/03/13/how-will-arkansas-change-its-transfer-portal-strategy-for-next-year/
Still working my way through Adam's latest and greatest. A few of things I struggle with. First, how did what by his estimates indicate a very mediocre class reconcile with the extraordinary performances against Purdue and Duke. Second, the locker room issues that have become very apparent. Third, Chandler Lawson. In both the Purdue and Duke games, he was fantastic. Otherwise, not so much.
I wanted to bring this back up top as I'm very interested in the "what do we do next year?" from his perspective and from the great knowledge we have here.
The most impressive post of this thread. You wordsmithed how, did, what and by consecutively in the same sentence. I don't believe I've ever seen that before.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Mar 13, 2024, 08:28 PMThe most impressive post of this thread. You wordsmithed how, did, what and by consecutively in the same sentence. I don't believe I've ever seen that before.
Trying to sus whether you're having a sarcasm or merely faking one.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Mar 13, 2024, 08:49 PMTrying to sus whether you're having a sarcasm or merely faking one.
Well, I clearly didn't use the tag.