The Otherwhitemeat aint coming around is he? We'll just go ugly early and start this thread.
So who do you got for head coach moving forward. :><:
Clear criteria
1. Gotta love that helmet
2. Can you call them hogs?
3. Did you grow up on a pig farm by chance?
4. Any spread elements in your game?
5. Is a big QB really just another TE?
Mike Elko, Duke HC
Sean Lewis, Colorado OC
Mike Stoops, Kentucky HC?
Elko is who Id target first
Todd Monken?
Maybe this will be the time Gus says yes.
I hope not, but I never get my way regarding these things.
Quote from: bigpig on Sep 30, 2023, 03:43 PMMike Elko, Duke HC
Mike Stoops, Kentucky HC?
:rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 30, 2023, 03:45 PMMaybe this will be the time Gus says yes.
I hope not, but I never get my way regarding these things.
IF we hire Gus, my apathy will turn to hatred. I will actively cheer for the Hogs to lose. That fuck nut is not going to come here and use us for one last big pay day before he rides into the sunset all while the PTB back slap each other for finally bringing the Razorbacks out of the darkness only to lead us towards another decade of irrelevance.
Lance Liepold (KU coach)
Mike Locksley (Maryland, former Bama assistant)
Mike Elko (Duke)
Willie Fritz (Tulane)
Chris Klieman (K-State)
Jamey Chadwell (Liberty)
Kane Wommack (Southern Alabama)
Bobby Petrino (the only correct answer but it won't happen because our football program isn't serious)
Bobby, and its not even close.
He's going to get a HC gig somewhere. Might as well be here.
I'd like someone like Elko, but it will be Gus because we are Arkansad.
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 04:03 PMBobby, and its not even close.
He's going to get a HC gig somewhere. Might as well be here.
Good lord he has less than zero chance to get a decent P5 gig.
We should hire Mizzo's corch.
Just shut the football program down. We are never going to be competitive again, not in this league. And just wait until Texass and Oklahoma come in. Until we get some big black guys, we are screwed. Maybe Nolan was right. There isn't anything for black guys to do in Fayetteville. Not being racist, just stating fact. We need some mens.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Sep 30, 2023, 04:21 PMGood lord he has less than zero chance to get a decent P5 gig.
Sounds like a perfect fit for us then.
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 04:03 PMBobby, and its not even close.
He's going to get a HC gig somewhere. Might as well be here.
Is he? Did you forget what happened when he went back to Louisville?
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Sep 30, 2023, 04:34 PMIs he? Did you forget what happened when he went back to Louisville?
I'm sure he doesn't even watch college football. Left two programs in the gulag and can't recruit. Plus, he's an old man. What a hire!
I think, as far as Bobby goes right now, he would be a hell of an OC. I think being a head coach is a little late.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Sep 30, 2023, 04:34 PMIs he? Did you forget what happened when he went back to Louisville?
I'm willing to put money on it, or a 12 pack of diet Dr pepper if you prefer.
Especially if A&M lucks into a 9 win season after going 5-7.
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 04:41 PMI'm willing to put money on it, or a 12 pack of diet Dr pepper if you prefer.
Especially if A&M lucks into a 9 win season after going 5-7.
A 62 year old coach who peaked over a decade ago and has a sub .500 record his last 4 years as a HC? Yeah I'll pass.
I'd at least give Dan Lanning a call.
At any rate if you were looking around trying to figure out who the next SEC coaching opening was going to be from...I think you can look no further. Perhaps if we beat Alabama Saban will go out in the parking lot and light himself on fire.
Edit but the Florida coach is trying his best to be their Chad Morris
Quote from: Hizog on Sep 30, 2023, 04:47 PMI'd at least give Dan Lanning a call.
Texted a buddy group that today. A defensive guy would be a nice change.
Quote from: animal on Sep 30, 2023, 04:48 PMAt any rate if you were looking around trying to figure out who the next SEC coaching opening was going to be from...I think you can look no further. Perhaps if we beat Alabama Saban will go out in the parking lot and light himself on fire.
Edit but the Florida coach is trying his best to be their Chad Morris
Saban on fire in the parking lot would coach us better while on fire, while intubated in the ICU undergoing a skin peel, and while hopped up on pain pills in rehab than the current bunch.
Another elephant is, who are we going to have playing for us next year. The portal works both ways.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 30, 2023, 04:55 PMAnother elephant is, who are we going to have playing for us next year. The portal works both ways.
How many guys on this team do you really want to keep?
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Sep 30, 2023, 04:56 PMHow many guys on this team do you really want to keep?
Hasz, TeSlaa right off the top of my head. Not many others.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Sep 30, 2023, 04:45 PMA 62 year old coach who peaked over a decade ago and has a sub .500 record his last 4 years as a HC? Yeah I'll pass.
Then take the bet.
Meanwhile he'd be the best hire we've made since Bret, or arguably since we hired him.
Is there any doubt he would've carved A&M up today had he been on our sideline? I mean its pretty bad when a guy in the booth on the other team is better than the HC on your own.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 30, 2023, 04:55 PMAnother elephant is, who are we going to have playing for us next year. The portal works both ways.
Certainly and likewise. You can bet any incoming football coach is going to be unafraid of cleaning house after what Deion did.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 30, 2023, 04:40 PMI think, as far as Bobby goes right now, he would be a hell of an OC. I think being a head coach is a little late.
And obviously Bobby is fine with working under a dipshit.
dan lanning? - current with a perennially top 15 program that sits on literal a mountain of nil cash. yeah, right.
mike elko - a career position coach in his 2nd season. sure, why not try that again.
petrino - lulz. never going to happen as long as yurachek is ad.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 30, 2023, 05:03 PMdan lanning? - current with a perennially top 15 program that sits on literal a mountain of nil cash. yeah, right.
mike elko - a career position coach in his 2nd season. sure, why not try that again.
petrino - lulz. never going to happen as long as yurachek is ad.
Gotdammit you guys are a buncha naysayers.
For sure though, if it ever went south with Petrino, which it could, as the AD who hired him you're gone too.
Somebody will take the shot though.
For sake of argument, Petrino is an impossibility because of (current) University policy to not rehire a once fired employee.
Bobby nearly beat us with FCS talent last year...he can still coach when he wants to. I'm not convinced he wants to be a head coach of a D1 anymore though. He's much better not having to worry about recruiting and can just focus on carving you up. And while we are waxing philosophic over this...his offense turned it over twice and had a few other flubs that any other competently ran team would have taken advantage of.
He was all packed for UNLV after the season and someone made Jimbo hire his ass that's how far the star had fallen. We'll see what happens the rest of the way. Johnson is going to be turnover prone and their talent didn't really wow me. We tend to make everyone look super good.
That all being said...you bet I'd love to have him back despite the misgivings of the last Louisville stint. I would take my chances especially with the portal being a thing...all it's gonna take is some believers in the program and the wallets will come out.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 30, 2023, 04:58 PMHasz, TeSlaa right off the top of my head. Not many others.
I'd take Armstrong over Teslaa. Teslaa has not gotten open one time this season.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Sep 30, 2023, 05:08 PMI'd take Armstrong over Teslaa. Teslaa has not gotten open one time this season.
Can either of those guys come back next season? I was thinking one or both were grad transfers but maybe not.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 30, 2023, 05:07 PMFor sake of argument, Petrino is an impossibility because of (current) University policy to not rehire a once fired employee.
this has been brought before and completely ignored by some.
and it's not just fired, but fired for cause which he was.
Quote from: animal on Sep 30, 2023, 05:10 PMCan either of those guys come back next season? I was thinking one or both were grad transfers but maybe not.
Armstrong is a junior, not sure on Teslaa. I'm with Son of Spam though, Hasz would be at the top of my list. I'd take Sategna too because that kid is a big play waiting to happen we just aren't using him enough.
Give me Fritz.
It was incredibly ballsy to come into the season with two transfer wide outs from D2 as your "go to" guys and surprisingly neither is the "problem" with the team. The one from FBS hasn't really shown up much (Broden) and of course we lost Mbake to injury who might have gotten on the field. Sategna I think is a play maker but he's also really fucking small. Bryce Stephens and that Wilson dude have completely fallen out of favor. Dozier will be ahead of them before the season is over.
I haven't been impressed with Teslaa since we hit SEC play. Armstrong has been solid. That Dozier kid is gonna be a good WR too.
Petrino showed what the program is capable of, and he did it at a time when it was possible to be both #3 in the SEC-West and #3 in the nation simultaneously. If Joe Adams doesn't catch a bad case of the skillet hands we might have a 1-0 record in BCS games.
The Petrion ain't coming back, but anyone we interview should be forced to watch videos from those years to understand where the bar currently sits. Sam came in when no one else wanted to risk trying to resurrect us from the Chad stank. He did that and he did it during a difficult covid year. Thank him, move on, and tell the next guy the standard is the BMFP years.
Pat Fitzgerald?
Quote from: Hizog on Sep 30, 2023, 04:47 PMI'd at least give Dan Lanning a call.
That would be great, but I doubt he'd pick up the phone. If he did, it would probably be to shake some more money out of Oregon. I wonder what Tom Herman is up to. He's a complete prick but these softies could use some toughing up.
Next Season has it been decided if they are doing away with divisions? This could be very key. If we still stuck in a loaded SEC WEST then it's going to be very difficult to hire a head coach worth a damn. Take away divisions and let us play a Vandy every now and then and lets see what happens. :stache:
I know Mizzou is playing Vandy but they've got one of the best WRs in the country, ranked and will be playing for a good bowl by the time we play them. About to be 5-0 and haven't played anybody. Must be nice.
saban was all for no divisions until it was hinted who his permanent rivals were going to be. divisions for at least one more year.
I think Yurachek knows if his next football hire fails, we'll be hiring a new AD to make the next-next football hire.
He hit a grandslam with Muss, but it's not as easy to hire a homerun football coach.
Quote from: razor5396 on Sep 30, 2023, 03:56 PMIF we hire Gus, my apathy will turn to hatred. I will actively cheer for the Hogs to lose. That fuck nut is not going to come here and use us for one last big pay day before he rides into the sunset all while the PTB back slap each other for finally bringing the Razorbacks out of the darkness only to lead us towards another decade of irrelevance.
This is the Razorback way.
Did it with Ford, Bert, Chad (and who solely used our job to get rich), and Sam.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Sep 30, 2023, 04:25 PMJust shut the football program down. We are never going to be competitive again, not in this league. And just wait until Texass and Oklahoma come in. Until we get some big black guys, we are screwed. Maybe Nolan was right. There isn't anything for black guys to do in Fayetteville. Not being racist, just stating fact. We need some mens.
Have you ever been to Bryan/College Station? 1/4 of the students wear military uniforms; the "yell leaders"
are all dudes who wear white jumpsuits. It's not exactly a cultural mecca.
Let Sam ride off into the sunset in his pontoon boat at the end of this year.
Go get GJ Kinne at Texas St for cheap.
Texas roots, Coaches son, NFL experience, offensive guy who has had a high powered offense everywhere he has been.
Give him 4 years and tell him you better get better every year.
what does "for cheap" matter? for cheap got us the 12th (maybe 13th since vandy coach got a raise at the end of last year) highest paid coach in the sec, and it shows.
Unless Gus shows some fire in his belly we don't need any over paid retirement gigs.
UCF is gonna end up with a losing record, so thats gonna be a hard sell to the fanbase, most of whom I dont think would want him anyway.
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 07:00 PMUCF is gonna end up with a losing record, so thats gonna be a hard sell to the fanbase, most of whom I dont think would want him anyway.
Gus is Mayberry RFD.
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 07:00 PMUCF is gonna end up with a losing record, so thats gonna be a hard sell to the fanbase, most of whom I dont think would want him anyway.
Don't overestimate this fan base. The powers that be sold Chad who had a losing record and I bet most would think Gus is the second coming of Bear Bryant. It would be the most Arkansas thing ever to offer Gus after using us for 2-3 raises at Auburn and recommending Morris to follow Bert.
Quote from: snoots on Sep 30, 2023, 07:16 PMDon't overestimate this fan base. The powers that be sold Chad who had a losing record and I bet most would think Gus is the second coming of Bear Bryant. It would be the most Arkansas thing ever to offer Gus after using us for 2-3 raises at Auburn and recommending Morris to follow Bert.
They don't even try to sell anything to the fan base any more.
Quote from: snoots on Sep 30, 2023, 07:16 PMDon't overestimate this fan base. The powers that be sold Chad who had a losing record and I bet most would think Gus is the second coming of Bear Bryant. It would be the most Arkansas thing ever to offer Gus after using us for 2-3 raises at Auburn and recommending Morris to follow Bert.
Well like I posted earlier, my hope is Yuri is smart enough than to feel any pressure to pacify that crazy portion of Hogville fans who still want Gus.
Is Jimmy from Grapevine or Forrest City Joe busy??
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 04:03 PMBobby, and its not even close.
He's going to get a HC gig somewhere. Might as well be here.
He was fired for cause. No place on earth will rehire someone they fired.
Quote from: vegashog on Sep 30, 2023, 06:51 PMwhat does "for cheap" matter? for cheap got us the 12th (maybe 13th since vandy coach got a raise at the end of last year) highest paid coach in the sec, and it shows.
He will not cost much is what I mean as opposed to paying some aging retread who is just looking for a last payday.
I'd rather have a young and hungry coach looking to make a name for himself than a recycled coach who didn't work out at his last job.
Quote from: snoots on Sep 30, 2023, 07:16 PMDon't overestimate this fan base. The powers that be sold Chad who had a losing record and I bet most would think Gus is the second coming of Bear Bryant. It would be the most Arkansas thing ever to offer Gus after using us for 2-3 raises at Auburn and recommending Morris to follow Bert.
You guys know that the fan base has jackshit to do with the hiring of coaches right? No coach has been hired based on what fans think.
Quote from: Spiderham on Sep 30, 2023, 06:37 PMand tell him you better get better every year.
This has been the point that I've never understood how it evades the Petrino haters. And there were and still are many.
Every year we got better. Every...single...year.
No coach we have ever had can say the same thing.
Yet, Petrino haters said and continue to say that we were going to start declining had Petrino stayed.
Fuck the PTB that fired the greatest coach we have ever had.
Why do you hate #Integrity? It goes a Long ways.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 30, 2023, 08:09 PMThis has been the point that I've never understood how it evades the Petrino haters. And there were and still are many.
Every year we got better. Every...single...year.
No coach we have ever had can say the same thing.
Yet, Petrino haters said and continue to say that we were going to start declining had Petrino stayed.
Fuck the PTB that fired the greatest coach we have ever had.
This. The people saying it was going to implode in 2012 are basing that completely on what happened with 'SMILE' at the helm. Would we have won the NC, likely not, but there is no doubt we end that year ranked probably in the top 10-15 at worst if coaches that team. Put that with 2010 and 2011 and maybe, just maybe, it changes the whole trajectory of the program.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 30, 2023, 08:09 PMThis has been the point that I've never understood how it evades the Petrino haters. And there were and still are many.
Every year we got better. Every...single...year.
No coach we have ever had can say the same thing.
Yet, Petrino haters said and continue to say that we were going to start declining had Petrino stayed.
Fuck the PTB that fired the greatest coach we have ever had.
I love how the Petrino haters said we would have been just 8-4 in 2012.
Those fucks will not admit that it was wrong to fire him.
Petrino's offense was what was getting the defensive studs to come here for Bert. "It was exciting."
Fucking hate our normie fan base.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 30, 2023, 08:21 PMI love how the Petrino haters said we would have been just 8-4 in 2012.
Those fucks will not admit that it was wrong to fire him.
Petrino's offense was what was getting the defensive studs to come here for Bert. "It was exciting."
Fucking hate our normie fan base.
A lot of the fan base just listened to the sports media that hated him in the first place. They still loved Nutt. I know some that still love Bret.
Jesus Christ the Petrino knob lickers are as bad as the Gus suckers. Yes exactly what we need; another old white guy coach. A decent coach and staff would have beat Petrino and Jimbo today. They will lose some games. Or better example, a better coach and staff at A&M would have beat us by 40 points today.
We need a dynamic coach who can recruit and hire top drawer coaching talent. A younger guy. A proven track record coaching winners at lesser programs. Who holds players accountable.
We don't need retreads, soon to retire old men. Dudes who have no social media game. We need the best football version of Muss we can find and pay him and his staff what it takes.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 30, 2023, 09:07 PMJesus Christ the Petrino knob lickers are as bad as the Gus suckers. Yes exactly what we need; another old white guy coach. A decent coach and staff would have beat Petrino and Jimbo today. They will lose some games. Or better example, a better coach and staff at A&M would have beat us by 40 points today.
We need a dynamic coach who can recruit and hire top drawer coaching talent. A younger guy. A proven track record coaching winners at lesser programs. Who holds players accountable.
We don't need retreads, soon to retire old men. Dudes who have no social media game. We need the best football version of Muss we can find and pay him and his staff what it takes.
Barry Lunney Jr!!!
-Arkansas' typical fanbase
Everyone's offense looks better than ours.
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 30, 2023, 09:07 PMJesus Christ the Petrino knob lickers are as bad as the Gus suckers. Yes exactly what we need; another old white guy coach. A decent coach and staff would have beat Petrino and Jimbo today. They will lose some games. Or better example, a better coach and staff at A&M would have beat us by 40 points today.
We need a dynamic coach who can recruit and hire top drawer coaching talent. A younger guy. A proven track record coaching winners at lesser programs. Who holds players accountable.
We don't need retreads, soon to retire old men. Dudes who have no social media game. We need the best football version of Muss we can find and pay him and his staff what it takes.
Dowell Loggains is just waiting on our call! He loves that helmet!
Quote from: Texzilla on Sep 30, 2023, 09:07 PMJesus Christ the Petrino knob lickers are as bad as the Gus suckers. Yes exactly what we need; another old white guy coach. A decent coach and staff would have beat Petrino and Jimbo today. They will lose some games. Or better example, a better coach and staff at A&M would have beat us by 40 points today.
We need a dynamic coach who can recruit and hire top drawer coaching talent. A younger guy. A proven track record coaching winners at lesser programs. Who holds players accountable.
We don't need retreads, soon to retire old men. Dudes who have no social media game. We need the best football version of Muss we can find and pay him and his staff what it takes.
Muss is damned near as old as Petrino.
I'm not saying he should be our top choice, but he would absolutely be an upgrade.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 30, 2023, 08:21 PMI love how the Petrino haters said we would have been just 8-4 in 2012.
Those fucks will not admit that it was wrong to fire him.
Petrino's offense was what was getting the defensive studs to come here for Bert. "It was exciting."
Fucking hate our normie fan base.
We might have only gone 8-4 that year. I suspect 9-3, but it damn sure wouldn't have been any worse than 8-4.
The next year we might have even dipped as far as 7-5. But in 2014 and 2015 you'd be hard pressed to find two losses in either season. BP left more stud defensive linemen for Bert than we've had before or since. And Brandon Allen would have reached his potential well before the last half of his last year.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 30, 2023, 08:06 PMYou guys know that the fan base has jackshit to do with the hiring of coaches right? No coach has been hired based on what fans think.
You're right. Just former players and coaches can influence the hiring at Arkansas, it seems.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 30, 2023, 09:34 PMMuss is damned near as old as Petrino.
I'm not saying he should be our top choice, but he would absolutely be an upgrade.
We might have only gone 8-4 that year. I suspect 9-3, but it damn sure wouldn't have been any worse than 8-4.
The next year we might have even dipped as far as 7-5. But in 2014 and 2015 you'd be hard pressed to find two losses in either season. BP left more stud defensive linemen for Bert than we've had before or since. And Brandon Allen would have reached his potential well before the last half of his last year.
This. We have beaten this horse all the way to China and back.
Texzilla is right, though. We need someone young, fired up, and willing to put in the work.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 30, 2023, 09:53 PMThis. We have beaten this horse all the way to China and back.
Texzilla is right, though. We need someone young, fired up, and willing to put in the work.
What about that dude who used to corch at Memphis State? He fits the bill, and He had them rolling.
Quote from: TC on Sep 30, 2023, 09:57 PMWhat about that dude who used to corch at Memphis State? He fits the bill, and He had them rolling.
Justin Fuente is probably already building a house in NWA
Quote from: animal on Sep 30, 2023, 09:59 PMJustin Fuente is probably already building a house in NWA
Too bad powerhouse closed down.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Sep 30, 2023, 09:53 PMTexzilla is right, though. We need someone young, fired up, and willing to put in the work.
This.
Don't hire a guy on the wrong side of 50.
Hire someone young and full of piss and vinegar who lives to work 18-20 hour days during football season.
Preferably an offensive specialist.
Saint Gustav led 35-7 in the third quarter and ended up losing 36-35 to a godawful Baylor team with zero offense.
Biggest comeback in Baylor history.
Perhaps the Springdale cultists will take a seat for at least a week? Maybe?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 30, 2023, 09:34 PMMuss is damned near as old as Petrino.
I'm not saying he should be our top choice, but he would absolutely be an upgrade.
Yeah he'd be an upgrade, but do you think Muss can coach both basketball and football?
Quote from: Feral on Sep 30, 2023, 10:11 PMPerhaps the Springdale cultists will take a seat for at least a week? Maybe?
Never. It's a biblical thing. You wouldn't understand, heathen. Bless your heart.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 30, 2023, 09:34 PMMuss is damned near as old as Petrino.
I'm not saying he should be our top choice, but he would absolutely be an upgrade.
We might have only gone 8-4 that year. I suspect 9-3, but it damn sure wouldn't have been any worse than 8-4.
The next year we might have even dipped as far as 7-5. But in 2014 and 2015 you'd be hard pressed to find two losses in either season. BP left more stud defensive linemen for Bert than we've had before or since. And Brandon Allen would have reached his potential well before the last half of his last year.
Damn. Wouldn't have guessed Muss to be 58.
From what I seen on this team...yeah, this is Pittman's last year. Unless we win out sans the Bama game.
No reason to gloat or be happy about it. None of us wanted this. I like the guy and he made our program respectable again. Think we all agree there. He has my gratitude and appreciation so much for that because it was a legitimate question if we were drifting in SMU death penalty waters. He was the right guy to stop the bleeding and bring pride back to the program, and the job now is much more attractive thanks to him.
But this is the SEC. It's not a nice guy league. The feel good story of the an assistant coming home and getting his dream job is over.
Need a guy that has a killer instinct like so many of our rivals and competitors. That wants to make the other team regret for ever stepping on the field. It's what it takes to survive
The Mike Anderson analogy is perfect, minus the prior head coaching experience.
They both took the programs when they were a laughingstock and made them respectable. They just both have a ceiling, for different reasons, that mean they will never get to where we want to get. we can appreciate what they did and i always will, but I can also see that we can and should do better.
Sam behaving like a little bitch about the internet and then having the team come out and lay and egg sure didn't make me like him more though.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Sep 30, 2023, 11:34 PMThe Mike Anderson analogy is perfect, minus the prior head coaching experience.
They both took the programs when they were a laughingstock and made them respectable. They just both have a ceiling, for different reasons, that mean they will never get to where we want to get. we can appreciate what they did and i always will, but I can also see that we can and should do better.
Sam behaving like a little bitch about the internet and then having the team come out and lay and egg sure didn't make me like him more though.
That entire squad is shellshocked after they put in all that work (the wrong kind apparently), and it fell apart so suddenly. I'd expect him to go into protection mode to "protect the guys." I know I would. That's what the "we've got some good keeds" is about. Deleting his twitter acct was a bitch move for sure. He should've just stopped reading it instead of going passive aggressive wife mode.
My hope is that it ends amicably, because we're the king of ugly break ups. I think Yuri has the chops to figure out an out for Sam and make the separation as painless as possible. Hopefully.
Now if he somehow pulls a rabbit out of his ass and beats Bama, and the next game has How Do You Like Me Now blasting thru the speakers during pregame, he can fuck right off forever.
Was Pitt hired because no one wanted the job, or because he was cheap? Either way it's a big problem.
Unless the PTB pony up and offer more than a "competitive" wage, we'll end up with another unproven project.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 30, 2023, 08:09 PMThis has been the point that I've never understood how it evades the Petrino haters. And there were and still are many.
Every year we got better. Every...single...year.
No coach we have ever had can say the same thing.
Yet, Petrino haters said and continue to say that we were going to start declining had Petrino stayed.
Fuck the PTB that fired the greatest coach we have ever had.
The 2010 team was better than 2011. The recruiting was just horrific plus inability to hire quality assistants. It would have ended like his last stay at Louisville. Look at his last couple recruiting classes here. The next hire will be critical. League is in flux and the right guy can turn it around quickly with NIL/portal. Amazing how fast things changed here with Sam. Everyone thought we were a tough, gritty bunch his first two years. Now we're the softest team I've ever seen.
We're about one loss away from Sam coming out of the tunnel arm in arm with his players. That's always how you know a coach is donezo
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 01, 2023, 07:34 AMWe're about one loss away from Sam coming out of the tunnel arm in arm with his players. That's always how you know a coach is donezo
He'll be calling us all slaps before too long. "They're drinking that haterade, men!! You gotta play for me!"
Alright which one of you is this??
https://x.com/noahdarling_/status/1708231373645860995?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Someone needs to knock over those fucking pig statues.
I tend to agree Petrino's 2011 team wouldn't have been the raving success everyone thought it would be. That being said it's impossible to quantify what that means exactly. That team was full of fucking quit and they had good reason to. Would you want to play hard for a university that wrongly fired the best fucking thing that's happened to it in decades? Not only that but they replaced him with his grandpa mentor that literally told everyone he was there to collect a check, wave his hat, and not do a damn thing else. We would have been better off with Taver Johnson or Paul Haynes or whatever his name was as the interim all season but that's ancient history now and Bobby is only coming back to kick our asses and be that reminder of how we Arkansucked the shit out of that deal.
Moving forward this thing is a case where these coaches continue to make egregious errors replacing OG staffers. The OG staff's of most of these hires are generally not bad at all. When those coaches move on and are replaced with budget friendly coaches things start to fall apart in a hurry...that's why we are replacing head coaches on an average of every 4 years. When replacing both coordinators in the same off-season you are playing with fire and now we are getting burned.
You take our line coach when Sam was hired. Brad Davis is widely regarded as one of the best. This Kennedy dude...nobody has heard of and in any case neither guy pissed a drop in recruiting here. This Kennedy guy might as well be that slug Bert hired out of Michigan. Actually I'm not so sure he wasn't better. We are recruiting guys that other programs wanted but they aren't being developed unless you count getting put on your back as being "developed".
Watching that Notre Dame line with their tackles tossing DEs aside like they were rag dolls last night...holy shit how far down the rung are we.
Players from the 2012 team have admitted they took it easy and there were virtually no volunteer practices after Petrino's firing. Their practices were night and day with John L Smith.
That's mainly why that team lost.
I don't know why we have to constantly rehash the Petrino shit over a decade later. It's like Godwin's law, it's only a matter of time before we start arguing about Petrino around here after a bad loss in football.
Quote from: RazorB on Oct 01, 2023, 07:47 AMPlayers from the 2012 team have admitted they took it easy and there were virtually no volunteer practices after Petrino's firing. Their practices were night and day with John L Smith.
That's mainly why that team lost.
And the fact the OL was awful. Both starting LB's were done early. That team was gonna be a mess.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Sep 30, 2023, 11:34 PMThe Mike Anderson analogy is perfect, minus the prior head coaching experience.
They both took the programs when they were a laughingstock and made them respectable. They just both have a ceiling, for different reasons, that mean they will never get to where we want to get. we can appreciate what they did and i always will, but I can also see that we can and should do better.
Sam behaving like a little bitch about the internet and then having the team come out and lay and egg sure didn't make me like him more though.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 01, 2023, 07:49 AMI don't know why we have to constantly rehash the Petrino shit over a decade later. It's like Godwin's law, it's only a matter of time before we start arguing about Petrino around here after a bad loss in football.
Because all we do is have bad fucking losses. The program has sucked ass for 10 years.
Quote from: piglosopher on Sep 30, 2023, 11:12 PMFrom what I seen on this team...yeah, this is Pittman's last year. Unless we win out sans the Bama game.
No reason to gloat or be happy about it. None of us wanted this. I like the guy and he made our program respectable again. Think we all agree there. He has my gratitude and appreciation so much for that because it was a legitimate question if we were drifting in SMU death penalty waters. He was the right guy to stop the bleeding and bring pride back to the program, and the job now is much more attractive thanks to him.
But this is the SEC. It's not a nice guy league. The feel good story of the an assistant coming home and getting his dream job is over.
Need a guy that has a killer instinct like so many of our rivals and competitors. That wants to make the other team regret for ever stepping on the field. It's what it takes to survive
This is 100% my mindset.
I don't harbor the bitterness for Pittman that I do/did for Nutt, Bert, and Chad.
I think of him as a more likable Danny Ford. He pulled us from our deathbed and got us to respectability and didn't act like a shithead doing it.
Hopefully Yurachek is figuring out how to negotiate Pittman into a graceful exit into retirement. Instead of an ugly breakup, for once it'd be nice to have the former coach actually help recruit the new coach.
The revisionist copium about Petrino has always been cute, as if there's any other explanation besides us just not being a serious football program anymore. Saying he was going to drop off as if the league hadn't been rigging entire games starting in 2009 to keep his teams from winning even more. I was curious, so here's how many times since he was fired that we've beaten his 5-7 (4-4) 2008 record.
2015, Bielema's 3rd year out of 5. We finished 8-5 (5-3), won a Liberty Bowl, and then fell apart over the next two seasons.
2021, Sam's 2nd year. Went 9-4 (4-4) and won an Outback Bowl. Didn't do as well the next season and it's safe to say we're not hitting that mark this year either.
Funny, in 2008 we finished 5th in the SECW. In 2009 we only went 3-5 in the SEC and finished 4th in the West. And fuck the SEC for straight up rigging two games against us that season. Anyway, he ain't coming back, but the next coach needs to understand that he is the standard.
Oddly enough, it was Jack Crowe who perfectly assessed Arkansas football in the summer of 1993.
Orville has a snippet about it in his book, but basically a writer for the Dem-Gazette ran into Crowe as both were picking their sons up from summer camp somewhere in Arkansas before Danny Ford's first season, and the writer asked Crowe what he thought about how Ford would do. Crowe's response was essentially that Ford would have his work cut out for him, and that Arkansas is never going to out-talent anyone and has always excelled by way of great coaching, scheming, and overachieving players.
He basically described the Petrino era 15 years before it happened, as well as the blueprint for finding a head coach.
I think this is a unique situation. Pittman was preparing for retirement when we hired him. He wants to retire in Arkansas and he obviously cares what people think about him. I don't think he's gonna string this along. He wants to go out on the lake and be the popular man everywhere he goes more than he wants to milk every last penny he can from the university. I think he exits gracefully after this season.
Petrino did walk in to the best in state recruiting class in program history the season he got here. The guy can coach his ass off but he couldn't recruit for shit. He did fine with Strong's players when he went back to Louisville but he had a Chad Morris level season his final year there.
I hope Sam rides off with his money. I don't want to hate him. But if he tries to stick around another year, I will and I won't be the only one. He has plenty of money for him and his wife. He has no kids or grandkids. If I were his age and in his position financially, I might not even show up tomorrow. It can't be fun. There is no shame in stepping out of the rat race when by all objective financial measures, you've already won it.
I'm thinking maybe we should be looking at playing some other/younger interior lineman but I'm sure they aren't doing that because if you think it's bad now just wait. This is the thing though you can't keep doing the same thing hoping the hell it gets better. You have to try something different. I know the center position has become this very critical role on the team but I'd love to move Limmer over to guard and maybe play Wiggins or someone else at center. Surely we have a backup center. Move Latham to a utility backup role. Chamblee should be working at guard because he sucks as a tackle. Harris should be getting on the fucking field. This repeated excuse that we are beat up just isn't flying with me. If you are trotting kids out there that are so beat up that they literally cannot be competitive then that says a lot about your program's readiness and overall development.
The line isn't the only issue I'm seeing but certainly the greatest area of concern. Everything about this offense enhances the suck on our line play and I suspect the opposite was true for the Briles offense that created a lot of space. In the first go around with Enos it took the line several weeks into the season to get things figured out so the same could be true in this case but right now I'm not optimistic.
I'm also seeing the same guys namely Dubinion completely miss blocking assignments, our tight ends are once again terrible. How can we possibly recruit this badly to this postion? Hasz was a godsend and short lived. Behind him we look undersized/weak at the position. Yesterday the defense knew exactly what we were going to run, would make their shift. We wouldn't do hardly any adjustments and would literally run the play right into the strong side. Every single fucking time.
So lets also review something else here. DJ Durkin is the A&M DC that was previously the head coach at Maryland before killing a kid in practice. You don't reckon he still has some friends in the area that shared the Enos playbook do you? Or maybe we just that fucking obvious.
Our jukebox has run out of batteries!
I'm not so sure that the running backs refusing to even attempt to chip an edge rusher isn't more a feature of Enos' offense than a bug. Austin Allen will probably die ten years sooner than he would have otherwise because of the beatings he took that one year. I seem to remember the running backs looking clueless about blocking back then too.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 01, 2023, 08:39 AMPetrino did walk in to the best in state recruiting class in program history the season he got here. The guy can coach his ass off but he couldn't recruit for shit. He did fine with Strong's players when he went back to Louisville but he had a Chad Morris level season his final year there.
Lol.
Petrino built Louisville into a power house. But he can't recruit?
His second stint, while not as good as the first, wasn't terrible. They were a competitive program with a Heisman winner. But he can't recruit.
He took over a Hogs program that was perineal 7 win program and every single year the team got better. He had a QB that was another Heisman candidate. But he can't recruit.
I love the reasonings on why he wasn't as good as he was. Built in State talent takes the cake.
If anyone wants to know why Arkansas is a perineal shit program, this take is why.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 01, 2023, 08:24 AMArkansas is never going to out-talent anyone and has always excelled by way of great coaching, scheming, and overachieving players.
This but no one wants to admit it. We have to have to out develop and x and o teams with more talent. Everyone has nil (and facilities) today so not sure why so many think we're special there and can separate from the pack when we have not come close to doing so in football. We are not winning which makes it a harder sell as well.
Lord help us the next coach who beats Texas is gonna get a stupid new deal that will hamstring the program for 4 years.
Time to yurachek to back up his statements about firing a coach for cause and makes contract's incentive based.
I fear the back room power players are gonna make it a circus again, they always do cause it is still the 1960s in their minds. 22 straight!
As noted, Bobby was fired, he can't be rehired per UofA regulations so let's move past that.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 01, 2023, 09:32 AMLol.
Petrino built Louisville into a power house. But he can't recruit?
His second stint, while not as good as the first, wasn't terrible. They were a competitive program with a Heisman winner. But he can't recruit.
He took over a Hogs program that was perineal 7 win program and every single year the team got better. He had a QB that was another Heisman candidate. But he can't recruit.
I love the reasonings on why he wasn't as good as he was. Built in State talent takes the cake.
If anyone wants to know why Arkansas is a perineal shit program, this take is why.
What happened in his final season as a Louisville coach when he didn't have Charlie Strong's players anymore? I guess losing every conference game was a result of his badass recruiting classes? People don't think he would have dropped off here when that's exactly what happened when he went back to Louisville? Okay.
That team quit on him as bad as Chad's team did here.
Can't reason with stupid or crazy.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 01, 2023, 09:43 AMWhat happened in his final season as a Louisville coach when he didn't have Charlie Strong's players anymore? I guess losing every conference game was a result of his badass recruiting classes? People don't think he would have dropped off here when that's exactly what happened when he went back to Louisville? Okay.
I get it, you don't like Petrino. All you really had to write is how you have no interest in seeing Arkansas have a winning football program.
He lost 13 games in 3 years at Louisville with Lamar. Lamar masked all the other deficiencies there but were still woefully average. He left Louisville's program in shambles twice. His 2010 class was 47th nationally coming off our best year in forever. That's just not even trying to recruit. Thankfully he walked into Wright, Adams, Gragg, DJ, Childs, Mallett, Wilson etc
Hey, let's keep doing it your way. Its worked so well the last 35-40 years.
We're going to have to get serious here. Maybe Alabama is out of reach but I think most would agree that we can and should be on the level of Ole Miss. Well, Ole Miss is paying Kiffin $9 million a year.
We're going to have to pay someone $10 million a year to get the kind of coach we want. Anything less gets us someone like Sam or a real up and comer who may or may not work out.
Pay the big bucks up front but also demand performance up front. There aren't any excuses anymore. A roster can be completely turned over in a year. Real progress can occur in a year. Find someone who understands and embraces the new landscape and how to use it for success. If they fail, pay them and move on. Nothing is permanent now. Change can happen overnight. Don't settle.
I'd take another sugar bowl appearance and being "left in shambles" over 15 fucking years of incompetence.
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Oct 01, 2023, 10:44 AMI'd take another sugar bowl appearance and being "left in shambles" over 15 fucking years of incompetence.
Being "left in shambles" is far preferable to simply "being in a shambles" because you are too frightened as a program to demand better.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 01, 2023, 10:23 AMI get it, you don't like Petrino. All you really had to write is how you have no interest in seeing Arkansas have a winning football program.
Wow you made a great retort to my points. What happened in his last year at Louisville? Why the major dropoff? I loved Petrino when he was here. That's by far my favorite time period as an Arkansas fan. He was far from perfect though. You're right though we would probably go right back to winning 10 games even though he never did that at Louisville when he went back with a future NFL MVP under center. Dumbfuck.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 10:48 AMBeing "left in shambles" is far preferable to simply "being in a shambles" because you are too frightened as a program to demand better.
I don't know that anybody can sit here and say this guy or that guy would be our next Petrino. Kliff Kingsbury for example. He didn't exactly light the world on fire at Texas Tech...maybe he's better as a 2nd time D1 head coach in any case he was a under .500 coach at Tech and also in the NFL. Doesn't mean he can't win but don't know that we are going to rush to hire that guy. BUT you look at the Texas coach who did a stint under Saban and now he's looking like the guy to turn around Texas after a mediocre stint at USC and Washington. Dudes can learn from their mistakes and get better as coaches.
That's why you have to wonder if we as fans just have too quick of a hook. We are prisoners of the moment that can't look past our past and see that it's not necessarily indicative of the future. It's for this reason why I would respect a guy like Pittman a lot more if he would have just been honest with everyone from the start and say this offensive line is going to be a work in progress. In stead they claimed the defensive line was basically the People People Eaters. Even after a couple games and some reporters beginning to ask a few lightly sprinkled questions about the line instead of being honest he gets defensive and vindictive. EXACTLY LIKE NUTT DID.
I don't care who you are in this business you have to have thick skin and you tell your kids the cowboy the fuck up and play better if you don't want to hear that shit.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 01, 2023, 08:04 AMAnd the fact the OL was awful. Both starting LB's were done early. That team was gonna be a mess.
A mess that would have been no worse than 8-4. Would have gone 4-0 in non-conference, and would have beaten LSU, Ole Miss, probably Miss State and/or South Carolina in addition to Auburn and Kentucky.
Hell, the OL was ass in 2010 and 2011. A good coach doesn't just throw up his hands at that...he finds ways to minimize the damage a weak position group can do.
Petrino left a hell of a lot more talent for JLS and Burt than was left for him. Go back and count all the quality DL that Petrino left behind, then how many we have had since.
jesus, some of you need to let it the fuck go. 12 years since that man walked the sidelines.
that's a problem with seemingly large part of the fan base. someone already mentioned, beating texass gets a coach at arkansas an extension and a raise. how true. looking at the past instead of the future.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 10:58 AMI don't know that anybody can sit here and say this guy or that guy would be our next Petrino. Kliff Kingsbury for example. He didn't exactly light the world on fire at Texas Tech...maybe he's better as a 2nd time D1 head coach in any case he was a under .500 coach at Tech and also in the NFL. Doesn't mean he can't win but don't know that we are going to rush to hire that guy. BUT you look at the Texas coach who did a stint under Saban and now he's looking like the guy to turn around Texas after a mediocre stint at USC and Washington. Dudes can learn from their mistakes and get better as coaches.
That's why you have to wonder if we as fans just have too quick of a hook. We are prisoners of the moment that can't look past our past and see that it's not necessarily indicative of the future. It's for this reason why I would respect a guy like Pittman a lot more if he would have just been honest with everyone from the start and say this offensive line is going to be a work in progress. In stead they claimed the defensive line was basically the People People Eaters. Even after a couple games and some reporters beginning to ask a few lightly sprinkled questions about the line instead of being honest he gets defensive and vindictive. EXACTLY LIKE NUTT DID.
I don't care who you are in this business you have to have thick skin and you tell your kids the cowboy the fuck up and play better if you don't want to hear that shit.
Finding the right guy is why AD's get paid a lot too. But it's easier to give a guy who is younger and with more experience a chance than a guy in his early 60s who has never done it before.
Arkansas' two most successful coaches since Broyles were Holtz and Petrino. They were both NFL retreads.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 11:08 AMFinding the right guy is why AD's get paid a lot too. But it's easier to give a guy who is younger and with more experience a chance than a guy in his early 60s who has never done it before.
Arkansas' two most successful coaches since Broyles were Holtz and Petrino. They were both NFL retreads.
Sure...NFL retreads can certainly work you just have to step over the Adam Gase's of the world.
Sark is mostly a college guy as was Holtz and arguably Petrino too but they had that experience in the NFL. Likewise our former TE coach has loads of NFL experience and I don't know anyone that dreams of Dowell Loggains cruising the sidelines in charge of the Razorbacks. I'd rather take my chances with Lunney Jr or Rhett Lashlee.
In order to really sale this turd we may end up having to take a page out of A&M's book and keep the head coach and force him to hire some real fucking assistants. I mean throw some seriously fuck you money at some of the better coordinators and assistants. This never works but it just might in A&Ms case. Only I don't think there is another Petrino lurking about...maybe a former Oregon coach that's kinda disappeared. Oh he didn't disappear he's just in Chicago coaching Justin Fields which is kinda the same thing. Mark Helfrich is more or less in the same profile as Bobby P.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 11:23 AMSure...NFL retreads can certainly work you just have to step over the Adam Gase's of the world.
Sark is mostly a college guy as was Holtz and arguably Petrino too but they had that experience in the NFL. Likewise our former TE coach has loads of NFL experience and I don't know anyone that dreams of Dowell Loggains cruising the sidelines in charge of the Razorbacks. I'd rather take my chances with Lunney Jr or Rhett Lashlee.
In order to really sale this turd we may end up having to take out of A&M's book and keep the head coach and force him to hire some real fucking assistants. This never works but it just might in A&Ms case. Only I don't think there is another Petrino lurking about...maybe a former Oregon coach that's kinda disappeared. Oh he didn't disappear he's just in Chicago coaching Justin Fields which is kinda the same thing. Mark Helfrich is more or less in the same profile as Bobby P.
Nobody is going to force Sam to do anything. He is too old, and now too rich. He'll just go home and dare you to fire him. He just doesn't care enough to do what is necessary if, and it is a fairly big if, he is even capable.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 11:26 AMNobody is going to force Sam to do anything. He is too old, and now too rich. He'll just go home and dare you to fire him. He just doesn't care enough to do what is necessary if, and it is a fairly big if, he is even capable.
if he's under .500 overall at the end of the year (he's currently 20-20), he has no real leverage in daring anyone to fire him. he only gets 50% of his buyout.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 01, 2023, 08:24 AMOddly enough, it was Jack Crowe who perfectly assessed Arkansas football in the summer of 1993.
Orville has a snippet about it in his book, but basically a writer for the Dem-Gazette ran into Crowe as both were picking their sons up from summer camp somewhere in Arkansas before Danny Ford's first season, and the writer asked Crowe what he thought about how Ford would do. Crowe's response was essentially that Ford would have his work cut out for him, and that Arkansas is never going to out-talent anyone and has always excelled by way of great coaching, scheming, and overachieving players.
He basically described the Petrino era 15 years before it happened, as well as the blueprint for finding a head coach.
This was the Wilson Matthews formula that was perfected by Frank Broyles. Back when it was hard to get to Fayetteville. Build a whole state program that gets its pick of all the best high school talent and go get the out of staters you need...Alworth, Montgomery, Ferguson, Calcagni...and pull from Texas. Be in better shape than the opponent; stamina in the 4th quarter is where games are won. Speed over power. Speed to the ball and speed to the hole. Brains over brawn. Smart players make smart plays and execute more complex tactics. Team football. Solid line play. No mistakes with penalties and turnovers. If an RB got fumbleitis they spent a week with a Burnett brother. If it continued they didn't get the rock. Excellence in the kicking game.
That formula will always be the only way Arkansas competes. It still holds now but with adjustments for nil and portal.
Hire Art Briles as an offensive consultant tomorrow. Have him in place and ready to go as the new HC after the annual ass kicking from Mizzou.
I don't care what the media or anyone else thinks about our integrity. I want to win.
Send that up there.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 11:08 AMFinding the right guy is why AD's get paid a lot too. But it's easier to give a guy who is younger and with more experience a chance than a guy in his early 60s who has never done it before.
Arkansas' two most successful coaches since Broyles were Holtz and Petrino. They were both NFL retreads.
Both were failures in the nfl. Holtz had a single season as hc with the Jets. Petrino had three seasons as QB/OC in Jacksonville 99-01 and then his disastrous 07 in Atlanta.
Petrino ain't coming back nor should he. He's not what this program needs. He likes drawing plays. We need a hc that can manage all the recruiting of high school, the portal, and nil. You have to get the players in big league footbal before anything.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 01, 2023, 11:44 AMif he's under .500 overall at the end of the year (he's currently 20-20), he has no real leverage in daring anyone to fire him. he only gets 50% of his buyout.
He has all the leverage in the world. He doesn't care. That's plenty of leverage.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 01, 2023, 12:15 PMHire Art Briles as an offensive consultant tomorrow. Have him in place and ready to go as the new HC after the annual ass kicking from Mizzou.
I don't care what the media or anyone else thinks about our integrity. I want to win.
Send that up there.
Yeah Art Briles. Quit smoking fentanyl. Go back to crack.
Briles can't even keep a job in Texas high schools. He's back in Italy coaching I-tail and showing his players the finer points of how to rape women.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 01, 2023, 11:04 AMjesus, some of you need to let it the fuck go. 12 years since that man walked the sidelines.
that's a problem with seemingly large part of the fan base. someone already mentioned, beating texass gets a coach at arkansas an extension and a raise. how true. looking at the past instead of the future.
We just shat the bed massively against a team whose offensive coordinator was that coach we wrongly fired twelve years ago. It's going to be a topic whether any of us like it or not.
If the present was slightly less shitty we might have less incentive to rehash the grievances of the past.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 12:22 PMHe has all the leverage in the world. He doesn't care. That's plenty of leverage.
He's only getting half is the point. Probably would have to negotiate even lower if he actually wants to retire or he'll have to go find more work.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 12:22 PMHe has all the leverage in the world. He doesn't care. That's plenty of leverage.
he's either going to get fired and get 50% of his buyout or he will retire and settle for about the same.
there is nothing in the guy's actions or personality that screams "i'm going to be the biggest asshole i can be" or that he doesn't care.
edit: htl beat me to it.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 01, 2023, 12:30 PMhe's either going to get fired and get 50% of his buyout or he will retire and settle for about the same.
there is nothing in the guy's actions or personality that screams "i'm going to be the biggest asshole i can be" or that he doesn't care.
edit: htl beat me to it.
He doesn't care enough to actually do the work required. I think he'll probably retire, but my original post on him not caring was in response to someone posting that we would have to force him to hire good coordinators. Sam doesn't care enough to be forced into something. He is set for life no matter what happens.
He cared enough to overhaul the coaching staff. It hasn't worked. Time to move on.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 01, 2023, 12:37 PMHe cared enough to overhaul the coaching staff. It hasn't worked. Time to move on.
No, he didn't. One guy left for a better job, he got butthurt and let the other one leave and made a lazy hire to replace him.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 12:40 PMNo, he didn't. One guy left for a better job, he got butthurt and let the other one leave and made a lazy hire to replace him.
Odom is making less money at UNLV.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 01, 2023, 12:40 PMOdom is making less money at UNLV.
Head coach is still head coach.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 12:46 PMHead coach is still head coach.
Plus, maybe he saw what a shitshow this season was going to be and decided to get out while he could.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 12:22 PMHe has all the leverage in the world. He doesn't care. That's plenty of leverage.
I can promise you that ain't how it works. It ain't a motherfucker walking got less fucks to give than me, and I got no leverage.
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Oct 01, 2023, 01:10 PMI can promise you that ain't how it works. It ain't a motherfucker walking got less fucks to give than me, and I got no leverage.
You ain't gonna get $10 million or so whatever you do either.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 01:14 PMYou ain't gonna get $10 million or so whatever you do either.
Make no mistake, I will(unless I completely and wholeheartedly shit the bed in the next three years) Not from the UpfA, but it's coming.
May be why I don't give a fuck.
I still have no leverage...and I'm ok with that.
That kind of money can buy a lot of peace of mind.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 11:26 AMNobody is going to force Sam to do anything. He is too old, and now too rich. He'll just go home and dare you to fire him. He just doesn't care enough to do what is necessary if, and it is a fairly big if, he is even capable.
He's not capable. I can't tell if he cares...enough. He cares about being thought of as rescuing the program. He doesn't care for even the tiniest hint of criticism.
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Oct 01, 2023, 01:18 PMMake no mistake, I will(unless I completely and wholeheartedly shit the bed in the next three years) Not from the UpfA, but it's coming.
May be why I don't give a fuck.
I still have no leverage...and I'm ok with that.
That kind of money can buy a lot of peace of mind.
Unless you shit the bed. Sam has already shitten his bed and he will still get it, no matter what.
I don't think there was any way Odom was going to be retained so the point is fairly moot. I don't think you need to be an insider to figure out Pittman allowed him to save face by taking a gig elsewhere.
Briles: I had no problem with replacing him. I liked the offense for the most part, but his play calling was maddening sometimes. In fairness he also came up with some real zingers from time to time and clearly the current team is better suited to that offense than whatever the fuck we are current attempting. Our lack of QB development was also a huge red flag and that's something I still feel a bit better about with Enos. The offensive line may not get fixed this season but next year with Criswell under center and hopefully a vastly improved line...we'll see some progress.
I want people to bare in mind that with the Briles offense and the Enos offense the common denominator for better or worse is KJ Jefferson's QB play which can be brilliant at times and stupefied in stupid at other times. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't KJ calling those weird trick plays all the time while Briles was here that rarely worked. KJ has his faults and it's looking like this Enos offense isn't correcting them it's making them look worse. Holding on to the ball too long, making him find the check downs and all that sort of stuff is not his wheelhouse. He's much better doing legit RPOs. Our two man game between him and Rocket aren't working because nobody is afraid of anything we do.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 01, 2023, 11:44 AMif he's under .500 overall at the end of the year (he's currently 20-20), he has no real leverage in daring anyone to fire him. he only gets 50% of his buyout.
Per contract, the Covid year doesn't count.
Quote from: CardHog on Oct 01, 2023, 01:56 PMPer contract, the Covid year doesn't count.
So he's 18-13 without the Covid year.
@ Ole Miss
@ Bama
Miss St.
@ Florida
Auburn
FIU
Mizzou
An FIU win and 0-fer the rest of the way in the SEC just gets him to .500
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Oct 01, 2023, 02:44 PMSo he's 18-13 without the Covid year.
@ Ole Miss
@ Bama
Miss St.
@ Florida
Auburn
FIU
Mizzou
An FIU win and 0-fer the rest of the way in the SEC just gets him to .500
Just to go 4-3 the rest of the way would be some fucking coach of the year brilliance that just isn't within Bert Pittman
Quote from: CardHog on Oct 01, 2023, 01:56 PMPer contract, the Covid year doesn't count.
Lol. Of course.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 01, 2023, 02:52 PMLol. Of course.
I think the reasoning here is that it was an SEC only schedule and no cupcakes.
No cupcakes is an understatement. That schedule was brutal.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 01, 2023, 03:47 PMNo cupcakes is an understatement. That schedule was brutal.
I halfway expect to start next season @Texas @Oklahoma and then home against Georgia or something like that. Because of the remix and all.
Once Pittman's coaching days are over, he would be a terrific color commentator. He'd have to get back on Twitter though.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 03:49 PMI halfway expect to start next season @Texas @Oklahoma and then home against Georgia or something like that. Because of the remix and all.
Clemson and Florida State will join and become our cross-division rivals after the SEC office decides to make those a thing again so they can keep fucking with us.
we get texas at home, don't play ou. actually the schedule looks pretty decent.
https://www.secsports.com/article/37854660/sec-reveals-2024-football-opponents-locations
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 12:33 PMHe doesn't care enough to actually do the work required. I think he'll probably retire, but my original post on him not caring was in response to someone posting that we would have to force him to hire good coordinators. Sam doesn't care enough to be forced into something. He is set for life no matter what happens.
I disagree that he doesn't care. He strikes me as someone who cares a lot, which is the same reason most of us all like him as a person. He's a good dude by all accounts. The problem is he doesn't have the ability.
Let's not confuse his inability with apathy.
Quote from: TC on Oct 01, 2023, 05:36 PMI disagree that he doesn't care. He strikes me as someone who cares a lot, which is the same reason most of us all like him as a person. He's a good dude by all accounts. The problem is he doesn't have the ability.
Let's not confuse his inability with apathy.
Does Pittman strike you as the kind who cares enough to be up there at 1:00 a.m. in the summer watching film and texting recruits? No, me either. And like it or not, thats the bar set by other coaches in this league. Now, I agree that it probably wouldn't matter if he did. He probably wouldn't get Saban results even if he worked that hard, but if he isn't working that hard, we lose to the likes of Liberty and BYU.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 05:40 PMDoes Pittman strike you as the kind who cares enough to be up there at 1:00 a.m. in the summer watching film and texting recruits? No, me either. And like it or not, thats the bar set by other coaches in this league. Now, I agree that it probably wouldn't matter if he did. He probably wouldn't get Saban results even if he worked that hard, but if he isn't working that hard, we lose to the likes of Liberty and BYU.
The problem isn't that he isn't working those hours. He doesn't have expectations his assistant coaches will work the hours required of their jobs.
Quote from: CardHog on Oct 01, 2023, 01:56 PMPer contract, the Covid year doesn't count.
COVID year record doesn't count, but the salary he made that year sure does.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 02:46 PMJust to go 4-3 the rest of the way would be some fucking coach of the year brilliance that just isn't within Bert Pittman
I rather like the name Pitt Bertman
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 01, 2023, 04:09 PMwe get texas at home, don't play ou. actually the schedule looks pretty decent.
https://www.secsports.com/article/37854660/sec-reveals-2024-football-opponents-locations
Ugh we have to keep playing the Aggies.
It never ends
Looking over it, it seems like South Carolina got the biggest shaft. No rival games were retained
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 01, 2023, 06:30 PMThe problem isn't that he isn't working those hours. He doesn't have expectations his assistant coaches will work the hours required of their jobs.
The only way a leader gets that type effort is if he sets the example and does it himself.
I don't think Pittman is going anywhere for another year, but for shits and giggles who is it that we think is actually worth a shit and wants the job? Anyone who isn't already in the Big 10 or SEC?
Leipold?
Matt Campbell now that he's lost some shine and probably wants SEC money?
Elko will most likely have several jobs to choose from this year.
I think we'd end up taking a flyer on one of the better coaches in the Sunbelt- which may not be a bad thing.
As far back as I can remember when it comes to coaching searches and everyone wanting this coach or that coach...it's never ever those coaches that get hired.
So it matters not if you mention Matt Campbell because now that he's in this thread he won't be hired by the UA.
I do agree though that baring a total meltdown Sam Pittman will be making bad judgement calls for the Hogs this time next season.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 01, 2023, 07:22 PMUgh we have to keep playing the Aggies.
It never ends
And Missouri, the other daddy.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 01, 2023, 07:46 PMAnd Missouri, the other daddy.
Someone needs to make a meme of Mizzou and A&M as a "My Two Dads" type thing.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 07:51 PMSomeone needs to make a meme of Mizzou and A&M as a "My Two Dads" type thing.
Fuck it. Make Aggy the daddy and Mizzou the first-time babysitter. We're getting violated either way.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2023, 01:21 PMUnless you shit the bed. Sam has already shitten his bed and he will still get it, no matter what.
Good point.
I also don't really care if anybody likes me. I'm a real asshole in real life, not like the fun loving happy go lucky genus everyone here thinks I am.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2023, 07:45 PMI do agree though that baring a total meltdown Sam Pittman will be making bad judgement calls for the Hogs this time next season.
People were saying the same thing about Bert throughout the 2017 season until Long got canned.
but yurachek ain't getting canned.
I just don't see Sam at his age, with his money, wanting to stick around and put in the work, particularly if he wants to retire in Arkansas. If he he leaves after this year, he'll still be popular down on Lake Hamilton. He will still be able to drive the old Tritoon up to the dock at Sam's Pizza and sit out and drink a cold beer. But if he tries to hang on too long, not only is he going to be miserable, he is going to damage his retirement plans.
How strong are the different donor factions these days? Seems like since before Nutt (and moreso after) the PTB factions chose their guy, and refused to support if their guy didn't get the gig.
Maybe I am imagining this. Don't we have big dick money donors who don't want to see us hire Gus, and just as big factions who want to hire him?
I wish the Waltons cared about sports these days. They could give us the best team money can buy, and a coach to go with it. There are three of the 2nd generation living in NWA full time now, with a combined net worth over $200 Billion.
We don't need a Billion, Alice, Rob, Jim....we just need about 30 million per year. In other words, about 1/10th of what you each make on investments per quarter. Just one of you stepping up could change us for decades.
I thought the Aggie game was done in Jerry World? When will we stop playing there?
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Oct 02, 2023, 08:38 AMI thought the Aggie game was done in Jerry World? When will we stop playing there?
2024 is the last game there
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 02, 2023, 08:42 AM2024 is the last game there
After that, they can start abusing us in our own stadium.
Quote from: wmr on Oct 01, 2023, 10:00 PMWe don't need a Billion, Alice, Rob, Jim....we just need about 30 million per year. In other words, about 1/10th of what you each make on investments per quarter. Just one of you stepping up could change us for decades.
Would it be worth it if we were the wokest athletic department in the country because that is what it would take to get any of that money. That is all they care about. I think that is even ahead of making money for them at this point, gotta virtue signal their way into Heaven.
Quote from: egregious on Oct 02, 2023, 09:57 AMWould it be worth it if we were the wokest athletic department in the country because that is what it would take to get any of that money. That is all they care about. I think that is even ahead of making money for them at this point, gotta virtue signal their way into Heaven.
There is the chance they will pay us for the naming rights to Razorback Stadium. Of course, we will change our colors to blue and yellow, and instead of calling the Hogs, we say, "Welcome to Wal-Mart.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 01, 2023, 08:44 PMPeople were saying the same thing about Bert throughout the 2017 season until Long got canned.
Long wouldn't have gotten canned if he would have agreed to fire Burt.
The boosters and BoT got that one right at least, even though they shat all over themselves with the football hire that they (not Julie Cromer Peoples) made.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 02, 2023, 10:37 AMLong wouldn't have gotten canned if he would have agreed to fire Burt.
The boosters and BoT got that one right at least, even though they shat all over themselves with the football hire that they (not Julie Cromer Peoples) made.
True.
I still simultaneously laugh and insta-rage whenever I see the dumbasses in our media (usually the elf) talk about how Julie Cromer-Peoples hired Chad Morris. She had as much to do with hiring Morris as I did.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 02, 2023, 10:45 AMTrue.
I still simultaneously laugh and insta-rage whenever I see the dumbasses in our media (usually the elf) talk about how Julie Cromer-Peoples hired Chad Morris. She had as much to do with hiring Morris as I did.
Ferret Top has been doubling down on that all weekend, and I've been calling him on it every time he does. He even dug Wally Hall out of the crypt to vouch for his shit take on the subject.
They all fell for the CYA messaging from the board after Morris flopped. "No way we would have hired that dumb bastard. It was that stupid skirt pretending to know about sports. She shoulda stayed in the kitchen. We had Gus and Mike Norvell lined up and she overruled us."
Either they were dumb enough to hire Chad Morris, or they were dumb enough to sit back let an interim AD with no determined future at the university hire him.
Irwin can suck all the asshole he wants, that doesn't change the fact that no one involved knew wtf they were doing.
Quote from: egregious on Oct 02, 2023, 09:57 AMWould it be worth it if we were the wokest athletic department in the country because that is what it would take to get any of that money. That is all they care about. I think that is even ahead of making money for them at this point, gotta virtue signal their way into Heaven.
Yep. They'd require a Dylan Mulvaney type person be a position coach or even head coach. Then they'd have to have a DEI manager on staff and provide safe spaces for those that feel like the coach was being a poo poo head to them when things got tough.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 02, 2023, 12:07 PMHe even dug Wally Hall out of the crypt to vouch for his shit take on the subject.
For some reason I was in an email exchange with Wally in 2019. It's been long enough now.
Me:
I take issue with one thing from your column -- absolutely no Razorback fan believes that a female interim AD made the Chad Morris hire or "recommended" it.
Wally:
She made the announcement. I know there is politics but how much I don't know.
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If by "politics" he means other people made the decision, he's right. A lot hidden in that word.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 02, 2023, 12:45 PMFor some reason I was in an email exchange with Wally in 2019. It's been long enough now.
Me:
I take issue with one thing from your column -- absolutely no Razorback fan believes that a female interim AD made the Chad Morris hire or "recommended" it.
Wally:
She made the announcement. I know there is politics but how much I don't know.
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If by "politics" he means other people made the decision, he's right. A lot hidden in that word.
Irwin regurgitated that line too.
Of course they were going to have her make the announcement. On the contract line where it says "Athletic Director" I'm sure her name and signature are there as well. Mike is trying to preserve his relationship with his sources by pushing their story. No one with an IQ above room temp in a walk-in cooler believes him.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 02, 2023, 12:48 PMIrwin regurgitated that line too.
Of course they were going to have her make the announcement. On the contract line where it says "Athletic Director" I'm sure her name and signature are there as well. Mike is trying to preserve his relationship with his sources by pushing their story. No one with an IQ above room temp in a walk-in cooler believes him.
I always assumed there were a lot of people trying to protect Jerry on this as he always seemed clearly the person behind it.
As for the rest, I hope we can give Pittman a gracious exit and find an up and comer like Stoops was when UK hired him. He'd be a fool to leave there.
I don't know why people don't think we could pry away Epps.
I have confidence in Yurachek, his hires in general have been great across the spectrum but nobody wanted the football job when it was last open and Pittman was likely as good as anyone interested, and he left us stronger than he took over.
Irwin is a dickhead.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 02, 2023, 12:07 PMFerret Top has been doubling down on that all weekend, and I've been calling him on it every time he does. He even dug Wally Hall out of the crypt to vouch for his shit take on the subject.
They all fell for the CYA messaging from the board after Morris flopped. "No way we would have hired that dumb bastard. It was that stupid skirt pretending to know about sports. She shoulda stayed in the kitchen. We had Gus and Mike Norvell lined up and she overruled us."
What was his point in even doing that? Our media has definitely gotten their orders to protect whoever made that hire and shit on Sam. Not that he doesn't deserve criticism but when our media starts questioning you, that's generally the sign that your time here as coach is up.
Regarding the coaching search, I have no faith that we will hire the right person. Outside of Petrino, our history in the SEC is filled with constant whiffs, and I just don't see that changing anytime soon. We're likely looking at coach #5 since Petrino got fired, and we haven't been close to where he had us.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 02, 2023, 01:44 PMI always assumed there were a lot of people trying to protect Jerry on this as he always seemed clearly the person behind it.
As for the rest, I hope we can give Pittman a gracious exit and find an up and comer like Stoops was when UK hired him. He'd be a fool to leave there.
I don't know why people don't think we could pry away Epps.
I have confidence in Yurachek, his hires in general have been great across the spectrum but nobody wanted the football job when it was last open and Pittman was likely as good as anyone interested, and he left us stronger than he took over.
Irwin is a dickhead.
Who is Epps?
I think Pittman being a bit snippy here a while back is what got that started with the press taking the gloves off. He basically all but told those beat writers they didnt know what the fuck they were talking about or implying. Anyone could see this line was utter trash.
The press has pretty well nursed Pittman along with him being completely out of his element in public speaking upon his arrival. Now it's tossed into their face with some kind of righteous indignity...how dare we question him. As long as you are stroking his ego and playing along with the hee haw stuff you're fine.
So yeah Im not entirely shocked that the press is turned on him even Ferret Top or Trey Biddy.
I do want to have some kind of guard up here though because we fans are often too quick to make people the villain to satisfy and reconcile why things arent going the way we dreamed it up. At the end of the day the moment these coaches lose support it's over for them and that's not always fair to them. That's why in the best way possible the coach has to be able to set expectations and communicate what he's actually seeing.
If all Pittman saw in fall camp was that our defense line was loaded with all Americans that should have been his clue...
Quote from: animal on Oct 02, 2023, 03:52 PMI think Pittman being a bit snippy here a while back is what got that started with the press taking the gloves off. He basically all but told those beat writers they didnt know what the fuck they were talking about or implying. Anyone could see this line was utter trash.
The press has pretty well nursed Pittman along with him being completely out of his element in public speaking upon his arrival. Now it's tossed into their face with some kind of righteous indignity...how dare we question him. As long as you are stroking his ego and playing along with the hee haw stuff you're fine.
So yeah Im not entirely shocked that the press is turned on him even Ferret Top or Trey Biddy.
I do want to have some kind of guard up here though because we fans are often too quick to make people the villain to satisfy and reconcile why things arent going the way we dreamed it up. At the end of the day the moment these coaches lose support it's over for them and that's not always fair to them. That's why in the best way possible the coach has to be able to set expectations and communicate what he's actually seeing.
If all Pittman saw in fall camp was that our defense line was loaded with all Americans that should have been his clue...
Ferret Top can get fucked. He sucks and has sucked forever. He has zero journalistic integrity and makes performative statements without really saying anything, and hedges the shit out everything he says.
I'm not a huge Biddy fan but he's by far the best of the bunch who regularly cover the football program and attend press conferences. He asked a legitimate question about why we were rotating offensive linemen after the Kent State game and whether we knew who our starters were and Pittman got unnecessarily shitty with him. Biddy was right, it's uncharacteristic of a P5 team to be rotating linemen as much as we were 2 games into the season, as you'd have ironed out your starting 5 by then. So I can understand a guy like him being out on Pittman after that pissy exchange and being proven right.
God knows I'm no white knight for the media, but Sam can't have it both ways. You can't yuck it up with absolute fools like Bob fucking Holt asking the tough ones like "talk about how great a kid Rocket is" but then get pissy and cold the minute someone actually asks a legitimate question pertaining to depth, scheme, approach, preparation, etc.
I don't remember what Petrino's pressers were like (save for the one with a neck brace), but I can't imagine he suffered fools like Bob Holt.
I'm not suggesting this is going to happen BUT if this does go turd up and Barry Odom shows a pulse at UNLV (4-1) with an exciting young OC...it's going to be interesting to see how that shakes out. They won't be there long.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 02, 2023, 01:54 PMWho is Epps?
It's dipshit for Elko. Didn't mean to post it in my native tongue.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 02, 2023, 05:21 PMIt's dipshit for Elko. Didn't mean to post it in my native tongue.
I thought you were advocating for someone to come in and stir up a fake "insurrection".
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 02, 2023, 05:21 PMIt's dipshit for Elko. Didn't mean to post it in my native tongue.
Lmao I assumed he was a coordinator I hadn't heard of. I figure Elko will be in the B1G or SEC before long along with every other good coach in the Big 12/ACC.
Wazzu's coach Jake Dickert is one to watch.
He took over a shitty situation in the middle of the 2021 season when their coach got fired for refusing the COVID vaccine, and held them together and pulled them to a bowl game. He went 7-6 last year and is currently 4-0 and #13 in the country.
Not to mention he's on a sinking ship in in the Pac-2 and staring down the prospect of being in the Mountain West.
Well we had a Nutt, why not have a Dickert too.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 02, 2023, 05:56 PMWazzu's coach Jake Dickert is one to watch.
He took over a shitty situation in the middle of the 2021 season when their coach got fired for refusing the COVID vaccine, and held them together and pulled them to a bowl game. He went 7-6 last year and is currently 4-0 and #13 in the country.
Not to mention he's on a sinking ship in in the Pac-2 and staring down the prospect of being in the Mountain West.
What ties to Texas does he have?
Quote from: animal on Oct 02, 2023, 06:10 PMWhat ties to Texas does he have?
With Texas joining the SEC, not sure it matters much any more.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 02, 2023, 06:39 PMWith Texas joining the SEC, not sure it matters much any more.
it was a joke
Quote from: egregious on Oct 02, 2023, 09:57 AMWould it be worth it if we were the wokest athletic department in the country because that is what it would take to get any of that money. That is all they care about. I think that is even ahead of making money for them at this point, gotta virtue signal their way into Heaven.
On the bright side, we'd get heliotrope back as a school color. Along with a few others.
Throw money at Norvell until he can't say no.
It would take $10 mil just for Mike Norvell to stop laughing at us
Norvell is not coming here. We fucked that up.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 02, 2023, 08:56 PMThrow money at Norvell until he can't say no.
I'm not sure we want the Colorado State coach but keep trying. We'll come up with somebody
We saw what happened the last time a SEC school took FSU's coach
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 02, 2023, 09:28 PMWe saw what happened the last time a SEC school took FSU's coach
They beat us last saturday?
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Oct 02, 2023, 09:53 PMThey beat us last saturday?
And pretty much no one else on a consistent basis.
yeah, if the measure of a coaches' success is beating arkansas then the league is full of vince lombardi's.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 02, 2023, 08:56 PMThrow money at Norvell until he can't say no.
Norvell probably hates us worse than Gus, Drinkwitz, Tuberville, Jimmy Johnson, etc ever did.
It's one thing for us to pass on a guy, but we Harsin'd that guy.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 03, 2023, 10:08 AMNorvell probably hates us worse than Gus, Drinkwitz, Tuberville, Jimmy Johnson, etc ever did.
It's one thing for us to pass on a guy, but we Harsin'd that guy.
I wanted Norvell. Of course I stayed quiet about it until he started having good success at FSU.
Quote from: wmr on Oct 03, 2023, 10:17 AMI wanted Norvell. Of course I stayed quiet about it until he started having good success at FSU.
Yeah, as someone said (maybe in this thread), it really sucks seeing Deion, Norvell, Kiffin, and even Drinkwitz all having success this year, and we passed or whiffed on all of them.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 03, 2023, 10:22 AMYeah, as someone said (maybe in this thread), it really sucks seeing Deion, Norvell, Kiffin, and even Drinkwitz all having success this year, and we passed or whiffed on all of them.
Not being HERE might be a key part of their success.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 02, 2023, 08:56 PMThrow money at Norvell until he can't say no.
I thought he immediately said no when we ended up settling for Pittman?
Quote from: Feral on Oct 03, 2023, 10:08 AMNorvell probably hates us worse than Gus, Drinkwitz, Tuberville, Jimmy Johnson, etc ever did.
It's one thing for us to pass on a guy, but we Harsin'd that guy.
All the more reason for him to rub their noses in dog shit, and get paid generational wealth while doing it.
The fact that he's young, dynamic and smart enough to build a program and has familiarity with the state makes me think he'd come back... and we're back to throwing enough money at him.
Edited to add: He would succeed too if the Arkansas sports curse would let us take the ball gag out of our mouths and decide some other team wouldn't be so loose and sloppy.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 03, 2023, 10:22 AMYeah, as someone said (maybe in this thread), it really sucks seeing Deion, Norvell, Kiffin, and even Drinkwitz all having success this year, and we passed or whiffed on all of them.
All would be Bert, Chad, Sam as it would play out. Don Shula, Tom Landry, Belichik would be fucking Chad Morris coaching at Arkansas. Just accept it.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 03, 2023, 11:59 AMAll the more reason for him to rub their noses in dog shit, and get paid generational wealth while doing it.
The fact that he's young, dynamic and smart enough to build a program and has familiarity with the state makes me think he'd come back... and we're back to throwing enough money at him.
This kind of reminds me of back Holtz was fired, and folks like Wally and Orville were printing their candidate lists with names like Tom Osborne and Barry Switzer as realistic choices. No one is leaving Florida State to come here, even if we paid him $20MM per year. No one would love to see it happen more than me, but not only has that ship sailed, it's permanently docked elsewhere and never returning to this port.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 03, 2023, 12:03 PMAll would be Bert, Chad, Sam as it would play out. Don Shula, Tom Landry, Belichik would be fucking Chad Morris coaching at Arkansas. Just accept it.
Yeah, because when we've had elite coaches we've done so poorly.
100% of Arkansas' problems historically have come from poor coaching hires. The one time in the SEC era that we got it right we were competing with everyone and a top 5-10 program. ESPN, Jimmy Sexton, and the like have successfully perpetuated the notion that Arkansas makes good coaches bad, when the reality is that shitty coaches make Arkansas bad.
The Gus PTB connections are the goons who sabotaged Norvell for us in favor of Chad Clownshoes. Everyone associated with that hire should be banished from the state.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 03, 2023, 12:05 PMThis kind of reminds me of back Holtz was fired, and folks like Wally and Orville were printing their candidate lists with names like Tom Osborne and Barry Switzer as realistic choices. No one is leaving Florida State to come here, even if we paid him $20MM per year. No one would love to see it happen more than me, but not only has that ship sailed, it's permanently docked elsewhere and never returning to this port.
I would say "No one is leaving Florida State, WHILE THEY ARE WINNING BIG, to come here..." There is always the chance of hiring someone that washes out and they land here...that is the Arkansas way.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Oct 03, 2023, 01:08 PMI would say "No one is leaving Florida State, WHILE THEY ARE WINNING BIG, to come here..." There is always the chance of hiring someone that washes out and they land here...that is the Arkansas way.
Yep this is about as dumb as people on Reddit suggesting that Sam just stay on as the OL coach and let somebody do the head coaching. I know a deal of our fans are not bright people but holee fuk
Quote from: animal on Oct 03, 2023, 01:38 PMYep this is about as dumb as people on Reddit suggesting that Sam just stay on as the OL coach and let somebody do the head coaching. I know a deal of our fans are not bright people but holee fuk
r/Razorbacks makes Hogville look like a Mensa meeting.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 03, 2023, 12:07 PMYeah, because when we've had elite coaches we've done so poorly.
100% of Arkansas' problems historically have come from poor coaching hires. The one time in the SEC era that we got it right we were competing with everyone and a top 5-10 program. ESPN, Jimmy Sexton, and the like have successfully perpetuated the notion that Arkansas makes good coaches bad, when the reality is that shitty coaches make Arkansas bad.
I was being facetious. The best recruiting we have for the program is Yuri, Muss and his wife, DVH, and the success in the minor sports. It's a great place to live and raise a family. Sam was hired as he was affordable when we were paying off two buyouts (3? Were we paying Anderson too?) and based on what he did when he came I think he was a home run. Choosing to come here and play with the garbage he was left with was a great story and the fact he wasn't a younger guy looking to win and leave helped as well.
If Sam leaves at the end of the season he can retire and be a local hero at the lake. Yuri likely has a nice list already just from fears Sam falls over dead on the sideline. He is connected and I believe will be able to hire the right guy to come here and coach.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 03, 2023, 02:45 PMI was being facetious. The best recruiting we have for the program is Yuri, Muss and his wife, DVH, and the success in the minor sports. It's a great place to live and raise a family. Sam was hired as he was affordable when we were paying off two buyouts (3? Were we paying Anderson too?) and based on what he did when he came I think he was a home run. Choosing to come here and play with the garbage he was left with was a great story and the fact he wasn't a younger guy looking to win and leave helped as well.
If Sam leaves at the end of the season he can retire and be a local hero at the lake. Yuri likely has a nice list already just from fears Sam falls over dead on the sideline. He is connected and I believe will be able to hire the right guy to come here and coach.
If Sam doesn't fuck it up. And by that, I mean do so badly that people see it as a program limitation instead of coaching.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 03, 2023, 02:45 PMIf Sam leaves at the end of the season he can retire and be a local hero at the lake. Yuri likely has a nice list already just from fears Sam falls over dead on the sideline. He is connected and I believe will be able to hire the right guy to come here and coach.
Let's just hope he doesn't shit the bed again like he did with Kiffin. I hate Jimmy Sexton with the fire of a thousand suns, but you still have to play his game when your nuts are in a vice.
I get that we were paying multiple buyouts at the time, but it's telling that that 2019 hire was
existential for the football program and we ended up cutting pennies and thus wound up with a career OL coach.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Oct 03, 2023, 01:08 PMI would say "No one is leaving Florida State, WHILE THEY ARE WINNING BIG, to come here..." There is always the chance of hiring someone that washes out and they land here...that is the Arkansas way.
True.
If this were posted elsewhere someone would say "but Jimbo left FSU a couple of years after winning it all!" Jimbo was one average to bad season, which was inevitable given the pile of shit roster he left behind in Tallahassee, from being unemployed. Leave it to the Aggies to win a bidding war when their only competition is the unemployment line.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 03, 2023, 02:55 PMLet's just hope he doesn't shit the bed again like he did with Kiffin. I hate Jimmy Sexton with the fire of a thousand suns, but you still have to play his game when your nuts are in a vice.
I get that we were paying multiple buyouts at the time, but it's telling that that 2019 hire was existential for the football program and we ended up cutting pennies and thus wound up with a career OL coach.
Posted this on another board earlier in response to something similar.
I don't think we were getting Kiffin regardless of whether or not we matched Ole Miss's offer. Sean Tuohy and Jimmy Sexton decided over a full cow and four fried chickens for dinner one night that they were going to steal Lane away from us no matter what it took to make it happen. Scumbag was going to make sure OM got the last look at our final offer no matter how many times we countered.
I know most woopiggers do not give two fucks about what others think about Arkansas football.
However, when it comes to making coaching firing and hiring decisions, I think Hunter and the administration have to think about that. Anyone we would want to hire, by definition comes from outside Arkansas football.
To the college football world that doesn't live and breathe Razorbacks, who is Sam Pittman? Even RIGHT NOW?? He's the success story of an aw shucks good ole boy offensive lineman coach who got his chance and turned around the Razorback program as a head coach. That's who he is. He's not a failure. He's not doing a bad job. He's a tremendous success. This is how he is seen in the eyes of the college football world. The stink of last year and this year has not yet made it to the outside world, I guarandamntee you.
Does Hunter fire that guy?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 03, 2023, 05:20 PMI know most woopiggers do not give two fucks about what others think about Arkansas football.
However, when it comes to making coaching firing and hiring decisions, I think Hunter and the administration have to think about that. Anyone we would want to hire, by definition comes from outside Arkansas football.
To the college football world that doesn't live and breathe Razorbacks, who is Sam Pittman? Even RIGHT NOW?? He's the success story of an aw shucks good ole boy offensive lineman coach who got his chance and turned around the Razorback program as a head coach. That's who he is. He's not a failure. He's not doing a bad job. He's a tremendous success. This is how he is seen in the eyes of the college football world. The stink of last year and this year has not yet made it to the outside world, I guarandamntee you.
Does Hunter fire that guy?
Everything to me is conditional on what's happening with the team. Such as despite all the woes on the line I would still tend to think this is a 5 win team (somehow) and that's probably enough to give him a pass. Especially when you consider how young we really are on the offensive line depth. This is the new pitch by Adam ford and he's not wrong. We have two guys from the 2019 class, none from the 2020 class, barely anyone plays from the 2021 class. That leaves you with freshman and sophomores filling out your "depth" along with some transfers that haven't really panned out.
Quote from: animal on Oct 03, 2023, 05:24 PMEverything to me is conditional on what's happening with the team. Such as despite all the woes on the line I would still tend to think this is a 5 win team (somehow) and that's probably enough to give him a pass. Especially when you consider how young we really are on the offensive line depth. This is the new pitch by Adam ford and he's not wrong. We have two guys from the 2019 class, none from the 2020 class, barely anyone plays from the 2021 class. That leaves you with freshman and sophomores filling out your "depth" along with some transfers that haven't really panned out.
I don't think youth is much excuse since you really can't count on your young guys being there next year.
I wanted Norvell and there is not much of a chance we could get him now. But we need to find someone like him. Somebody with HEAD coaching experience with a track record of winning, like going 38-15 at Memphis sort of winning. Somebody who is young, has an insane work ethic and is hungry to prove he can win in the SEC.
We don't need to hire somebody because it's his turn. Don't tout what limb of the coaching tree he fell off of. Don't give somebody in his late 50's an opportunity to fund a retirement. Find someone who is willing to do the work to win now. I never want to hear about trusting a process or building depth. That's fucking loser Bert talk.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 03, 2023, 05:31 PMI don't think youth is much excuse since you really can't count on your young guys being there next year.
As a program you still have to operate on the assumption that you can retain enough guys at each position group. As others have said and maybe I've made light of it but you can't simply expect SEC/FBS caliber lineman to fall in your lap out of the portal each year. Lineman are a premium so especially for O line you really need to raise them boys up and develop the shit out of them. For many of these guys it's too early in their careers to simply declare them busts. The guys that should be playing right now flopped or transferred away. St. John, Henderson, and Curry. They would be the older guys to go a long with Limmer and Latham. Doesn't mean they were good enough but that's why you have to have the numbers.
Remember when Bert had 17 tight ends on the roster? I mean yeah I'm being somewhat sarcastic but damn we had a bunch and none of them were worth a damn beyond Derby and Henry. I know that's history now but it just goes to show you that decisions made 5 to 6 years in the past could impact the current day even with the portal being a thing now. Mostly I think we shit the bed in some areas and that falls on this staff.
Enhancing a bit further
19/20 season
Dylan Rathcke (retired medically after a couple seasons)
*Limmer still playing
*Latham still playing
Stromberg (NFL)
Austin Nix (played a couple seasons, not sure what happened after)
with covid years I think we could still mathematically have had a shot at
Luke Jones (transferred in from Notre Dame)
Noah Gatlin
Wagner?
20/21
Marcus Henderson (now at Memphis)
Jalen St. John (UNLV)
Ray Curry Jr. (alabama state)
21/22
Cole Carson
*Devon Manuel
Ty'Kieast Crawford (transferred in from Charlotte)
Terry Wells
22/23
Eli Henderson
*Andrew Chamblee
*Patrick Kutas
E'Marion Harris
23/24
Joey Su'a
Amaury Wiggins (JUCO)
Paris Patterson
Luke Brown
*Joshua Braun (transferred in from Florida)
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 03, 2023, 05:20 PMI know most woopiggers do not give two fucks about what others think about Arkansas football.
However, when it comes to making coaching firing and hiring decisions, I think Hunter and the administration have to think about that. Anyone we would want to hire, by definition comes from outside Arkansas football.
To the college football world that doesn't live and breathe Razorbacks, who is Sam Pittman? Even RIGHT NOW?? He's the success story of an aw shucks good ole boy offensive lineman coach who got his chance and turned around the Razorback program as a head coach. That's who he is. He's not a failure. He's not doing a bad job. He's a tremendous success. This is how he is seen in the eyes of the college football world. The stink of last year and this year has not yet made it to the outside world, I guarandamntee you.
Does Hunter fire that guy?
Most outsiders see only the win-loss record. Most of the positive recognition was two years ago when there was all the hype going into the Georgia curbstomping.
Those from afar will realize shortly, probably when they get to the bottom of the SEC standings in late November, he was probably just another flash in the pan who coined a funny slogan.
Looks like Sam is being paid about right to slightly overpaid. 10th highest in the SEC
Also, I didn't realize Mel Tucker just lost a $10 million-a-year gig. WOW!
Highest paid public school coach salaries in 2023 via
@USAToday (https://twitter.com/USAToday)
in millions
1 Nick Saban, Bama $11.407
2 Dabo Swinney, Clemson $10.884
3 Kirby Smart, Georgia $10.705
4 Ryan Day, Ohio St $10.271
5 Mel Tucker, Mich St $10.015
6 Brian Kelly, LSU $9.975
7 Jimbo Fisher, A&M $9.150
8 Mark Stoops, Kentucky $9.013
9 Josh Huepel, Tennessee $9.000
(Tie) Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss $9.000
11 James Franklin, Penn St $8.500
12 Jim Harbaugh, Michigan $8.254
13 Luke Fickell, Wisconsin $7.625
(Tie) Mike Gundy, Okla St $7.625
15 Mike Norvell, Florida St $7.300
16 Billy Napier, Florida $7.270
17 Brent Venables, OU $7.100
18 Kirk Ferentz, Iowa $7.000
19 Dan Lanning, Oregon $6.624
20 Hugh Freeze, Auburn $6,500
(Tie) Bret Bielema, Illinois $6.500
22 Sam Pittman, Arkansas $6.357
23 Kyle Whittingham, Utah $6,325
24 Shane Beamer, South Carolina $6.125
25 Eliah Drinkwitz, Missouri $6.000
(Tie) P.J. Fleck, Minnesota $6.000
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 03, 2023, 06:56 PMI wanted Norvell and there is not much of a chance we could get him now. But we need to find someone like him. Somebody with HEAD coaching experience with a track record of winning, like going 38-15 at Memphis sort of winning. Somebody who is young, has an insane work ethic and is hungry to prove he can win in the SEC.
We don't need to hire somebody because it's his turn. Don't tout what limb of the coaching tree he fell off of. Don't give somebody in his late 50's an opportunity to fund a retirement. Find someone who is willing to do the work to win now. I never want to hear about trusting a process or building depth. That's fucking loser Bert talk.
Norvell's biggest selling point to me wasn't his record. At the time when we were able to get him, he was 18-8, which was good for Memphis but not elite (and a hell of a lot better than the doofus we ended up hiring, in the same league, at a lesser program, with ass stompings head to head, but I digress). And the pro-dipshit faction liked to point out that he was following another successful coach there and still using a lot of that guy's players.
What was obvious about him to me was his attention to detail. WRs ran crisp routes. Plays got in on time and correctly. There were few stupid penalties...false starts, procedure, delay of game, etc. And his special teams unit were as good as some of the Frank Beamer Va Tech squads. Being detail oriented is the number one skill in a successful head coach, not recruiting, not strategy, not a cool cowboy hat and sunglasses (although Deion is supposedly a stickler for the little stuff as well). We have had exactly one head coach who was good at making sure the small details were drilled into the players' heads so that they could execute without thinking. Norvell would have made two, and likely would have had similar success to the other guy by now.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 04, 2023, 07:50 AM(and a hell of a lot better than the doofus we ended up hiring, in the same league, at a lesser program, with ass stompings head to head, but I digress).
51-7 and 66-45 wins over Chad. Of course, being Arkansas, we look at those two and hire the wrong one.
Starting with Ford we hired a known name who came with a decent amount of credibility at the time, then followed up with a folk hero yokel genius, then followed with another coach that was a name with loads of credibility, then Smile if you want to count him, then another name with credibility that brought us fat dough boys, then we were sold a fucking lemon and everyone pretended for a little bit that it was cherry pie, then we're back on yokel folk legend who has brought back fat dough boys.
Is no one going to talk about the alleged student/Enos email exchange after Saturday's game? I read an an article elaborately debunking and claiming it must be false, but the university has declined to comment on it and deny it. So,that tells me it is probably real.
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/hogs-football/razorbacks-pittman-enos-twitter-sec-texas-aggies-student-email-1
Most of the things the article mentions like lack of e-sig and all that could be answered by the fact that if it was actually Enos, he was probably using his phone instead of a work computer to respond. My e-sig won't show up if I reply with my phone and using my phone means my emails sometimes are more informal and use some of the shorthand I use in texts.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 04, 2023, 10:47 AMIs no one going to talk about the alleged student/Enos email exchange after Saturday's game? I read an an article elaborately debunking and claiming it must be false, but the university has declined to comment on it and deny it. So,that tells me it is probably real.
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/hogs-football/razorbacks-pittman-enos-twitter-sec-texas-aggies-student-email-1
Most of the things the article mentions like lack of e-sig and all that could be answered by the fact that if it was actually Enos, he was probably using his phone instead of a work computer to respond. My e-sig won't show up if I reply with my phone and using my phone means my emails sometimes are more informal and use some of the shorthand I use in texts.
Even if he did, that was about as mild a response as you could possibly have. Why is this even a story? I hate social media
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 04, 2023, 10:47 AMIs no one going to talk about the alleged student/Enos email exchange after Saturday's game? I read an an article elaborately debunking and claiming it must be false, but the university has declined to comment on it and deny it. So,that tells me it is probably real.
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/hogs-football/razorbacks-pittman-enos-twitter-sec-texas-aggies-student-email-1
Most of the things the article mentions like lack of e-sig and all that could be answered by the fact that if it was actually Enos, he was probably using his phone instead of a work computer to respond. My e-sig won't show up if I reply with my phone and using my phone means my emails sometimes are more informal and use some of the shorthand I use in texts.
Shirley you don't believe it's real.
"Sorry, Coach Pittman. I can't make the team plane flight. I've got some emails I've GOT to get answered."
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 04, 2023, 11:42 AMShirley you don't believe it's real.
"Sorry, Coach Pittman. I can't make the team plane flight. I've got some emails I've GOT to get answered."
"Someone on the internet is mad about our shotgun 4th down plays. I MUST answer this right now!"
Quote from: animal on Oct 04, 2023, 09:27 AMStarting with Ford we hired a known name who came with a decent amount of credibility at the time, then followed up with a folk hero yokel genius, then followed with another coach that was a name with loads of credibility, then Smile if you want to count him, then another name with credibility that brought us fat dough boys, then we were sold a fucking lemon and everyone pretended for a little bit that it was cherry pie, then we're back on yokel folk legend who has brought back fat dough boys.
So, we are due for someone with good credentials.
If he was answering emails from his phone he might use short hand.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 04, 2023, 07:50 AMNorvell's biggest selling point to me wasn't his record. At the time when we were able to get him, he was 18-8, which was good for Memphis but not elite (and a hell of a lot better than the doofus we ended up hiring, in the same league, at a lesser program, with ass stompings head to head, but I digress). And the pro-dipshit faction liked to point out that he was following another successful coach there and still using a lot of that guy's players.
What was obvious about him to me was his attention to detail. WRs ran crisp routes. Plays got in on time and correctly. There were few stupid penalties...false starts, procedure, delay of game, etc. And his special teams unit were as good as some of the Frank Beamer Va Tech squads. Being detail oriented is the number one skill in a successful head coach, not recruiting, not strategy, not a cool cowboy hat and sunglasses (although Deion is supposedly a stickler for the little stuff as well). We have had exactly one head coach who was good at making sure the small details were drilled into the players' heads so that they could execute without thinking. Norvell would have made two, and likely would have had similar success to the other guy by now.
To have a record like that at Memphis, you have to win your close games. You have to be detail oriented to win close games.
Somehow it's now taboo to talk about Petrino and one should move on, but he is the only modern measuring stick that we have for great teams. His details helped us win close games. When we lost games it seemed like we were just outmanned.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 04, 2023, 01:30 PMTo have a record like that at Memphis, you have to win your close games. You have to be detail oriented to win close games.
Somehow it's now taboo to talk about Pertino and one should move on, but he is the only modern measuring stick that we have for great teams. His dentals helped us win close games. When we lost games it seemed like we were just outmanned.
Sorry, but that typo/correction is just funny coming from you.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 04, 2023, 11:50 AMSo, we are due for someone with good credentials.
Are there any NFL head coaches who were great in college that we might poach?
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 04, 2023, 03:11 PMAre there any NFL head coaches who were great in college that we might poach?
Pete Carroll? Arkansas ties! Too old, though.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 04, 2023, 03:32 PMPete Carroll? Arkansas ties! Too old, though.
Gruden. You know he almost came here one time before?
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 04, 2023, 03:37 PMGruden. You know he almost came here one time before?
The tie color said it all. Alas. What could have been.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 03, 2023, 05:20 PMI know most woopiggers do not give two fucks about what others think about Arkansas football.
However, when it comes to making coaching firing and hiring decisions, I think Hunter and the administration have to think about that. Anyone we would want to hire, by definition comes from outside Arkansas football.
To the college football world that doesn't live and breathe Razorbacks, who is Sam Pittman? Even RIGHT NOW?? He's the success story of an aw shucks good ole boy offensive lineman coach who got his chance and turned around the Razorback program as a head coach. That's who he is. He's not a failure. He's not doing a bad job. He's a tremendous success. This is how he is seen in the eyes of the college football world. The stink of last year and this year has not yet made it to the outside world, I guarandamntee you.
Does Hunter fire that guy?
I've been wanting to post something similar, but have been 2 pages behind in this thread for the last week. I get wanting a change, but I hate how our fanbase goes about it. Bringing the man's physical appearance into the conversation, roasting him on social media, and calling out the strength coach's wife (and yes, I get that she put herself into the mix there and opened herself up to everything that comes with it). We never seem to have clean breaks.
Like any other rabid fanbase, we make ourselves look stupid, but it's worse with Sam. He's beloved in the eyes of the national media (that same media that doesn't really pay attention to what Arkansas does until we step out of line and forget our place). I can hear it now if he is fired or even retires at the end of the season. "See? Look what these loons did to a good coach and even better man. Who do they think they are, Alabama? Good luck to the next guy who has to follow Pittman and doesn't win immediately. They are unrealistic and should just be happy with being allowed to roll out a football on Saturdays."
To bad Lance Leipold is nearly 60. He is willing to change his offense based on the players ability. And he wins.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2022/9/16/23355155/kansas-football-is-fun-again-and-heres-why
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Oct 04, 2023, 03:44 PMI've been wanting to post something similar, but have been 2 pages behind in this thread for the last week. I get wanting a change, but I hate how our fanbase goes about it. Bringing the man's physical appearance into the conversation, roasting him on social media, and calling out the strength coach's wife (and yes, I get that she put herself into the mix there and opened herself up to everything that comes with it). We never seem to have clean breaks.
Like any other rabid fanbase, we make ourselves look stupid, but it's worse with Sam. He's beloved in the eyes of the national media (that same media that doesn't really pay attention to what Arkansas does until we step out of line and forget our place). I can hear it now if he is fired or even retires at the end of the season. "See? Look what these loons did to a good coach and even better man. Who do they think they are, Alabama? Good luck to the next guy who has to follow Pittman and doesn't win immediately. They are unrealistic and should just be happy with being allowed to roll out a football on Saturdays."
This is pretty much true, I am afraid. I don't think Sam's going anywhere this year.
But when he does, someone needs to take a serious look at Jeff Traylor.
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Oct 04, 2023, 03:44 PMI've been wanting to post something similar, but have been 2 pages behind in this thread for the last week. I get wanting a change, but I hate how our fanbase goes about it. Bringing the man's physical appearance into the conversation, roasting him on social media, and calling out the strength coach's wife (and yes, I get that she put herself into the mix there and opened herself up to everything that comes with it). We never seem to have clean breaks.
Like any other rabid fanbase, we make ourselves look stupid, but it's worse with Sam. He's beloved in the eyes of the national media (that same media that doesn't really pay attention to what Arkansas does until we step out of line and forget our place). I can hear it now if he is fired or even retires at the end of the season. "See? Look what these loons did to a good coach and even better man. Who do they think they are, Alabama? Good luck to the next guy who has to follow Pittman and doesn't win immediately. They are unrealistic and should just be happy with being allowed to roll out a football on Saturdays."
Fuck those fans and fuck the media. They said the same thing about Nutt and to an extent Bret.
We are going to be ridiculed no matter what we say or do. Better to do it this year than wait and go to Chad Morris levels again.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 04, 2023, 03:54 PMFuck those fans and fuck the media. They said the same thing about Nutt and to an extent Bret.
We are going to be ridiculed no matter what we say or do. Better to do it this year than wait and go to Chad Morris levels again.
Yep. Some of those same people said we didn't give Morris enough time. None of them had our program's best interest in mind.
I wish our fans weren't a big collection of retards
Quote from: BASS on Oct 04, 2023, 04:05 PMI wish our fans weren't a big collection of retards
At least that group has their own message board to drool on
Quote from: Spiderham on Oct 04, 2023, 11:47 AM"Someone on the internet is mad about our shotgun 4th down plays. I MUST answer this right now!"
In all fairness, anyone who thinks the shotgun 4D plays are ok MIGHT actually respond just like that...😳
The reality is if you want good coaching get better players. We need a coach that can recruit in every facet: high school, portal, Jc, grad transfers and attract better players.
I thought Sam would make us a destination for nfl worthy linemen. A great o line makes a team great.
We need a coach that's dynamic in recruiting and program visibility. Who will be the next Deion? That's what we need.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 04, 2023, 09:01 PMThe reality is if you want good coaching get better players. We need a coach that can recruit in every facet: high school, portal, Jc, grad transfers and attract better players.
I thought Sam would make us a destination for nfl worthy linemen. A great o line makes a team great.
We need a coach that's dynamic in recruiting and program visibility. Who will be the next Deion? That's what we need.
We have never and will never be able to compete in this league on talent. That is why we need a coach like Petrino was here, an elite developer of mid-tier talent with the ability to outscheme the other teams fairly regularly. That limits our upside, but it's the best we can hope for barring a massive inflow of quality DL and LB into the Arkansas high school ranks.
Even in the SWC under Broyles, Holtz and Hatfield we were usually outmanned against the bigger Texas schools. That is a big reason why our bowl record was so shabby.
Believe it or not, we have more 4 star olineman on the roster than many SEC schools. I read that somewhere.
They're just young, undeveloped, poorly coached, and in a new offense that everyone is apparently struggling with.
If your players are struggling with your brainiac offense in October you should have either figured out a scheme your players can execute or be fired. Enos it's time to pack your fucking bags.
https://x.com/choatemason/status/1710044210299043922?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Believe it
Clown shoes
I'll take Who Gives A Fuck for $1000 Alex.
a fucking foia, seriously? so the same people who bitched about pittman not responding to criticism, are now try to raise shit because the oc did.
this is how you end up with another bert or morris.
I don't understand why anyone would think emailing a coach is a good idea.
I also don't understand why a coach would even respond and not just trash or spam it without looking at it.
That was really stupid. Really really stupid.
I don't care that he got into a back and forth with an emailer.
I care that he made such a damn stupid statement, "what would you call?"
A FUCKING QB SNEAK UNDER CENTER WITH A TUSH PUSH, YA MORE-ON
I don't really care except that this staff is so soft and so worried about social media and what people are saying. He was checking his emails and responding before they were even on the bus ti the airport.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 05, 2023, 07:45 PMI don't understand why anyone would think emailing a coach is a good idea.
I also don't understand why a coach would even respond and not just trash or spam it without looking at it.
They're dumb college kids.
So Hawgbeat.com (good Lord) is trying to get something to go viral so they can hopefully monetize their site.
In 2023. We have dipshits trying to run traffic to their shitty sports websites.
If that's actually Enos responding, he's a fucking idiot, and dumber than everybody thought.
Lane Kiffin does that sort of shit but he is funny. Enos could have been funny at least.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 05, 2023, 08:53 PMLane Kiffin does that sort of shit but he is funny. Enos could have been funny at least.
I'd bet the same kids creating this story are the ones who emailed him in the first place. Or they are connected in some way.
Clout-chasing little shitheads. But yeah, Enos is a stupidmotherfucker. This proves that.
I hate that we have fans like these little trash-trolls. At least I just get drunk and cuss them on Woopig. I would never reach out directly to staff via email like these little fuckwits and various lesbian Nutt-allies.
I think we would get our shit packed no matter what they tried to do. I watched a number of NFL teams run 4th and short plays out of the shot gun last weekend and they all snapped the ball quickly and the running back got going quickly...didn't fuck around.
Quote from: wmr on Oct 05, 2023, 09:00 PMI'd bet the same kids creating this story are the ones who emailed him in the first place. Or they are connected in some way.
Clout-chasing little shitheads. But yeah, Enos is a stupidmotherfucker. This proves that.
I hate that we have fans like these little trash-trolls. At least I just get drunk and cuss them on Woopig. I would never reach out directly to staff via email like these little fuckwits and various lesbian Nutt-allies.
Meh...it's the modern world. Don't respond or be likable and funny if you do. Instead it was more of that passive aggressive douchbaggery Sam has already shown about social media. Just coach and quit having rabbit ears about whatever people might be saying somewhere on social media.
Quote from: animal on Oct 05, 2023, 09:03 PMI think we would get our shit packed no matter what they tried to do. I watched a number of NFL teams run 4th and short plays out of the shot gun last weekend and they all snapped the ball quickly and the running back got going quickly...didn't fuck around.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing. Enos seems incapable of calling a running play that doesn't take five seconds to develop.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 05, 2023, 09:05 PMYeah, that's the biggest thing. Enos seems incapable of calling a running play that doesn't take five seconds to develop.
And yet he gets paid a shitload of money. How the fuck did so few smart people become college football coaches? I want a time machine. I'd quit doing what I'm doing right now to coach something at UCA and be happy.
Quote from: animal on Oct 05, 2023, 07:25 PMI'll take Who Gives A Fuck for $1000 Alex.
Its just more evidence that this staff is imploding. Pittman shutting down his Twitter, the S&C coaches wife spatting with fans, and now Enos emailing fans back too.
It's the same shit Nutt did when he tried to use the 'us against the world' locker room speeches, convincing the players that even us fans were also part of the enemy. Next, they'll start turning on each other as the losses add up, and he loses the locker room too.
I hope I'm wrong and Sam gets the ship turned around quickly, because we don't need another ugly divorce.
Tardville wants to get UAPD after the student. lol
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 06, 2023, 05:29 AMTardville wants to get UAPD after the student. lol
While emailing a coach is stupid it's not a crime. We live in a world run by retards.
Quote from: TC on Oct 05, 2023, 11:21 PMIts just more evidence that this staff is imploding. Pittman shutting down his Twitter, the S&C coaches wife spatting with fans, and now Enos emailing fans back too.
It's the same shit Nutt did when he tried to use the 'us against the world' locker room speeches, convincing the players that even us fans were also part of the enemy. Next, they'll start turning on each other as the losses add up, and he loses the locker room too.
I hope I'm wrong and Sam gets the ship turned around quickly, because we don't need another ugly divorce.
Yeah I think you nailed it here. It's not really a big deal but it does show that this staff is closer to the Murray State Mafia than BMFP. It's clown show shit for a grown man to argue with 18, 19, 20 year old kids hours after getting your ass beat.
And for those who say "so the media was mad at Sam for deleting his twitter and now they're mad at Enos for doing the opposite" We all would have thought Sam was crazy if he started fighting with fans on twitter. The move there was to just stay off of twitter and don't read the comments. Then it never would have been a story in the first place.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 06, 2023, 05:29 AMTardville wants to get UAPD after the student. lol
To be fair there are probably more U of A degrees in this thread than there are on the entire Nobville member list. They probably don't understand these fancy concepts like e-mails and such.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 06, 2023, 05:29 AMTardville wants to get UAPD after the student. lol
how long until Lanny runs for governor?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 06, 2023, 07:48 AMhow long until Lanny runs for governor?
With Douglas as his press secretary.
https://x.com/nwahutch/status/1710279241777004551?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Our sports media members really are the worst.
that they feel this is 'news' is beyond me.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 06, 2023, 12:46 PMhttps://x.com/nwahutch/status/1710279241777004551?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Our sports media members really are the worst.
Someone is going to get sued, I bet.
Enos should have ignored it but he's only guilty of being snarky
What a nothingburger to prop up a crappy media site.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 06, 2023, 07:48 AMhow long until Lanny runs for governor?
Does he actually make money off that site? I venture over there occasionally to read about baseball but that board is truly awful.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 06, 2023, 01:06 PMEnos should have ignored it but he's only guilty of being snarky
What a nothingburger to prop up a crappy media site.
Basically. I mean, it was pretty tame.
trying to figure out who was dumber for getting into a Rinky Dink media story - Enos or the governor
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 06, 2023, 12:46 PMOur sports media members really are the worst.
Evar.
Anything to take the focus off how bad things are they'll have made this guy an example win or lose this next week.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 06, 2023, 12:46 PMhttps://x.com/nwahutch/status/1710279241777004551?s=46&t=lD8yygcF-k5I6Qnx3SfeHw
Our sports media members really are the worst.
Looks like the moneyshot missed his chin.
I assume this is the (potential) Hog head coaching search thread. Fayvillians has a list of potential coaches to watch this weekend:
Coach Watch
If you've given up on the current Arkansas regime, it's hard to blame you. But hope springs eternal, so you'd probably rather watch potential Razorback coaching candidates in action. After all, no one wants to get into Flight Tracking Season and realize they don't actually know anything about the top candidates. Here are some options for you, as several of them have very big games this week.
Liberty at Jacksonville State (Tuesday, 6:30 pm, ESPNU). You may remember Jamey Chadwell, who was the interim coach at Coastal Carolina in 2017 when the Chanticleers came to Fayetteville and nearly beat the Hogs, who were saved in what can only be called The TJ Hammonds Game. Chadwell eventually got the full-time gig and had a pair of 11-win seasons for Coastal, and now has Liberty 5-0 in his first season. The Gamecocks of Jacksonville State are 5-1 in their first FBS season, so this should be a good matchup.
Tulane at Memphis (Friday, 6 pm, ESPN). Willie Fritz was widely thought of as a candidate for the job back in 2020, and for good reason. Since that time, he's added a New Year's Six bowl to his resume (the Green Wave took down USC in the Cotton Bowl last year). He's 63, but he's been a winner at every stop: two FCS title game appearances at Sam Houston, an 8-0 Sun Belt record in Georgia Southern's second season in the FBS, and now 16-3 in the last two seasons at Tulane. The winner of this game is probably the American favorite.
Indiana at Michigan (Saturday, 11 am, FOX). Watch Michigan to check out their defense, which ranks #1 in our model. Defensive coordinator Jesse Minter was in fact born in Little Rock, though his connections to the Natural State are minimal, as he did not grow up here (he grew up in Indiana). His father Rick was a GA for Lou Holtz at Arkansas in 1978. Anyway, Minter spent four years on John Harbaugh's Ravens staff and has coordinated the Wolverine defense since 2022. Would be actually be a candidate? No idea, but I like watching good football, and Michigan plays good football.
Kansas at Oklahoma State (Saturday, 2:30 pm, FS1). The obvious first call for the Hogs should there be a coaching search would be Lance Leipold, a guy who just wins. He went 109-6 as the head coach of Division III Wisconsin-Whitewater, winning six national titles in eight seasons. Buffalo gave him a chance at the FBS level, and he delivered MAC East titles in his fourth and sixth seasons at the helm. Now at Kansas, he took over the Power 5's most moribund program and quickly went from 2-10 to 6-7 to 5-1 this year. A win over Oklahoma State would ensure the Jayhawks bowl eligibility for the second straight year.
UNLV at Nevada (Saturday, 4 pm). I doubt Barry Odom would be a serious candidate unless top options all said no, but the work he's doing in Las Vegas is impressive. The Rebels are 4-1 after more than a decade of bad football (UNLV hasn't been good since they beat Arkansas in 2000 Las Vegas Bowl). Odom's defense is massively improved, but all eyes are on his innovative offensive coordinator, Brennan Marion, whose "GoGo offense" has been really influential in coaching circles in the last few years. Marion, just 36, is almost certainly going to get a Power 5 offensive coordinator job this offseason. I tend to think that Marion's scheme is exactly what Arkansas needs to succeed, so I've been following the Rebels closely all year. A retained Sam Pittman could look to Marion to replace Dan Enos, or Odom, if hired, could try to lure him to Fayetteville.
UL Monroe at Texas State (Saturday, 6 pm, ESPN+). Deion Sanders' total rebuild at Colorado is getting all the attention, but new head coach GJ Kinne did the same thing at Texas State, bringing in an army of transfers to transform a program. Kinne, a former Tulsa quarterback under Gus Malzahn, is just 34 years old, but his rebuilt Bobcat squad stunned Baylor in his first game as coach and are off to a 4-2 start. Kinne spent the 2018 season as an offensive analyst on Chad Morris's staff at Arkansas and was Malzahn's offensive coordinator at UCF in 2021. In his only season as Incarnate Word's coach (2022), he took the Cardinals to the FCS Semifinals. The obvious downside to Kinne is that he's been a head coach for all of two seasons, and just one at the FBS level, but his teams are fun to watch.
NC State at Duke (Saturday, 7 pm, ACC Network). If the lack of connections to great programs from Leipold, Fritz, and Chadwell are a concern for you, consider Mike Elko, who has coordinated defenses for powerhouse programs (Notre Dame in 2018 and Texas A&M in 2019-2021), is a Power 5 head coach (Duke), and has proven he can win at a historically-disadvantaged program (13-5 in two seasons). The Blue Devils are 4-1 and have a win over Clemson and a close loss to Notre Dame.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/10/the-week-ahead-week-7-2/
Elko, with someone like Brennan Marion as OC would be very intriguing.
Coach watch is waaay early. The UofA SOP is to wallow in squalor for at least a couple seasons before trying to replace anybody. Unlike some place like, say, Auburn who fired a national champion coach a couple years removed from a natty for having one bad season who was 33-19 in 4 seasons.
Quote from: Guardrail on Oct 13, 2023, 10:04 AMCoach watch is waaay early. The UofA SOP is to wallow in squalor for at least a couple seasons before trying to replace anybody. Unlike some place like, say, Auburn who fired a national champion coach a couple years removed from a natty for having one bad season who was 33-19 in 4 seasons.
Too early yet to make an announcement, but I guarantee you HY has a list he's looking at.
If we scratch and claw somehow to 6-6, nothing changes. If we miss a bowl, but only barely, like 5-7, I think Pittman will be given the chance to make changes to OL and/or OC. If he refuses, or if we slip to 4-8 or worse, I think a change will have to be made.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 13, 2023, 11:29 AMToo early yet to make an announcement, but I guarantee you HY has a list he's looking at.
If we scratch and claw somehow to 6-6, nothing changes. If we miss a bowl, but only barely, like 5-7, I think Pittman will be given the chance to make changes to OL and/or OC. If he refuses, or if we slip to 4-8 or worse, I think a change will have to be made.
This makes sense. You can't let a coach survive 1-7 or 0-8 in his fourth year or later. In fact you should have an 0-8 clause written into every coach's contract where you have the option to fire for cause with no buyout if that happens even in year one. We've had exactly two coaches who have gone 0-8 at Arkansas, and hindsight tells us we would have been better off firing both of them as soon as they did it the first time.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/illinois-woes-begin-and-end-with-bret-bielema/ar-AA1i89V4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6123ce8bc0604cdb8bd53695b07381d4&ei=27
just a little day lightener for this dreary thread
It can always be worse.
He needs to add wazzu's and Oregon states coaches to the list.
Those places are not easy to recruit to or win at.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 13, 2023, 08:49 AMTulane at Memphis (Friday, 6 pm, ESPN). Willie Fritz was widely thought of as a candidate for the job back in 2020, and for good reason. Since that time, he's added a New Year's Six bowl to his resume (the Green Wave took down USC in the Cotton Bowl last year). He's 63, but he's been a winner at every stop: two FCS title game appearances at Sam Houston, an 8-0 Sun Belt record in Georgia Southern's second season in the FBS, and now 16-3 in the last two seasons at Tulane. The winner of this game is probably the American favorite.
Why do people keep mentioning Fritz?
Not only is he older than Sam, he's been at Tulane for nearly a decade and has had ONE good year.
Here's his year by year record at Tulane:
4-8
5-7
7-6
7-6
6-6
2-10
12-2
Quote from: egregious on Oct 13, 2023, 11:34 AMhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/illinois-woes-begin-and-end-with-bret-bielema/ar-AA1i89V4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6123ce8bc0604cdb8bd53695b07381d4&ei=27
just a little day lightener for this dreary thread
It can always be worse.
Thank you. It's always nice to see that some things never change.
I bet Bert has a big old buyout clause too. Edit: Nope, only 3mm.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 13, 2023, 01:24 PMThank you. It's always nice to see that some things never change.
I bet Bert has a big old buyout clause too. Edit: Nope, only 3mm.
That's a lot of all you can eat buffets.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 13, 2023, 08:49 AMI assume this is the (potential) Hog head coaching search thread. Fayvillians has a list of potential coaches to watch this weekend:
Coach Watch
If you've given up on the current Arkansas regime, it's hard to blame you. But hope springs eternal, so you'd probably rather watch potential Razorback coaching candidates in action. After all, no one wants to get into Flight Tracking Season and realize they don't actually know anything about the top candidates. Here are some options for you, as several of them have very big games this week.
Liberty at Jacksonville State (Tuesday, 6:30 pm, ESPNU). You may remember Jamey Chadwell, who was the interim coach at Coastal Carolina in 2017 when the Chanticleers came to Fayetteville and nearly beat the Hogs, who were saved in what can only be called The TJ Hammonds Game. Chadwell eventually got the full-time gig and had a pair of 11-win seasons for Coastal, and now has Liberty 5-0 in his first season. The Gamecocks of Jacksonville State are 5-1 in their first FBS season, so this should be a good matchup.
Tulane at Memphis (Friday, 6 pm, ESPN). Willie Fritz was widely thought of as a candidate for the job back in 2020, and for good reason. Since that time, he's added a New Year's Six bowl to his resume (the Green Wave took down USC in the Cotton Bowl last year). He's 63, but he's been a winner at every stop: two FCS title game appearances at Sam Houston, an 8-0 Sun Belt record in Georgia Southern's second season in the FBS, and now 16-3 in the last two seasons at Tulane. The winner of this game is probably the American favorite.
Indiana at Michigan (Saturday, 11 am, FOX). Watch Michigan to check out their defense, which ranks #1 in our model. Defensive coordinator Jesse Minter was in fact born in Little Rock, though his connections to the Natural State are minimal, as he did not grow up here (he grew up in Indiana). His father Rick was a GA for Lou Holtz at Arkansas in 1978. Anyway, Minter spent four years on John Harbaugh's Ravens staff and has coordinated the Wolverine defense since 2022. Would be actually be a candidate? No idea, but I like watching good football, and Michigan plays good football.
Kansas at Oklahoma State (Saturday, 2:30 pm, FS1). The obvious first call for the Hogs should there be a coaching search would be Lance Leipold, a guy who just wins. He went 109-6 as the head coach of Division III Wisconsin-Whitewater, winning six national titles in eight seasons. Buffalo gave him a chance at the FBS level, and he delivered MAC East titles in his fourth and sixth seasons at the helm. Now at Kansas, he took over the Power 5's most moribund program and quickly went from 2-10 to 6-7 to 5-1 this year. A win over Oklahoma State would ensure the Jayhawks bowl eligibility for the second straight year.
UNLV at Nevada (Saturday, 4 pm). I doubt Barry Odom would be a serious candidate unless top options all said no, but the work he's doing in Las Vegas is impressive. The Rebels are 4-1 after more than a decade of bad football (UNLV hasn't been good since they beat Arkansas in 2000 Las Vegas Bowl). Odom's defense is massively improved, but all eyes are on his innovative offensive coordinator, Brennan Marion, whose "GoGo offense" has been really influential in coaching circles in the last few years. Marion, just 36, is almost certainly going to get a Power 5 offensive coordinator job this offseason. I tend to think that Marion's scheme is exactly what Arkansas needs to succeed, so I've been following the Rebels closely all year. A retained Sam Pittman could look to Marion to replace Dan Enos, or Odom, if hired, could try to lure him to Fayetteville.
UL Monroe at Texas State (Saturday, 6 pm, ESPN+). Deion Sanders' total rebuild at Colorado is getting all the attention, but new head coach GJ Kinne did the same thing at Texas State, bringing in an army of transfers to transform a program. Kinne, a former Tulsa quarterback under Gus Malzahn, is just 34 years old, but his rebuilt Bobcat squad stunned Baylor in his first game as coach and are off to a 4-2 start. Kinne spent the 2018 season as an offensive analyst on Chad Morris's staff at Arkansas and was Malzahn's offensive coordinator at UCF in 2021. In his only season as Incarnate Word's coach (2022), he took the Cardinals to the FCS Semifinals. The obvious downside to Kinne is that he's been a head coach for all of two seasons, and just one at the FBS level, but his teams are fun to watch.
NC State at Duke (Saturday, 7 pm, ACC Network). If the lack of connections to great programs from Leipold, Fritz, and Chadwell are a concern for you, consider Mike Elko, who has coordinated defenses for powerhouse programs (Notre Dame in 2018 and Texas A&M in 2019-2021), is a Power 5 head coach (Duke), and has proven he can win at a historically-disadvantaged program (13-5 in two seasons). The Blue Devils are 4-1 and have a win over Clemson and a close loss to Notre Dame.
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/10/10/the-week-ahead-week-7-2/
Elko, with someone like Brennan Marion as OC would be very intriguing.
Can't believe no one is mentioning Jeff Traylor. He's doing a great job at UTSA. Knows Arkansas, is beloved in East Texas, one of our biggest recruiting areas.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 13, 2023, 12:58 PMWhy do people keep mentioning Fritz?
Not only is he older than Sam, he's been at Tulane for nearly a decade and has had ONE good year.
Here's his year by year record at Tulane:
4-8
5-7
7-6
7-6
6-6
2-10
12-2
Other than the 12-2 he sounds perfect :))
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 13, 2023, 03:52 PMCan't believe no one is mentioning Jeff Traylor. He's doing a great job at UTSA. Knows Arkansas, is beloved in East Texas, one of our biggest recruiting areas.
Agree but he was here with Chad and that's a tough stench to overcome.
Quote from: egregious on Oct 13, 2023, 11:34 AMhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/illinois-woes-begin-and-end-with-bret-bielema/ar-AA1i89V4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6123ce8bc0604cdb8bd53695b07381d4&ei=27
just a little day lightener for this dreary thread
It can always be worse.
"Several red zone mistakes, including one poorly-timed interception, misconstrued Illinois' (2-4, 0-3 Big Ten) offensive attack."
I just love when people use big words incorrectly.
This is an example of using it right...
"Dan Enos misconstrued how to build a successful game plan against SEC defenses, which led to his eventual demise."
and that is a guy who makes at least part of his living from,..., wait for it,..., writing
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 13, 2023, 10:26 PM"Several red zone mistakes, including one poorly-timed interception, misconstrued Illinois' (2-4, 0-3 Big Ten) offensive attack."
I'm going to give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume his transcriptionist misconstrued "miserably screwed".
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 13, 2023, 11:31 AMThis makes sense. You can't let a coach survive 1-7 or 0-8 in his fourth year or later. In fact you should have an 0-8 clause written into every coach's contract where you have the option to fire for cause with no buyout if that happens even in year one. We've had exactly two coaches who have gone 0-8 at Arkansas, and hindsight tells us we would have been better off firing both of them as soon as they did it the first time.
Besides the 0-8/1-7 clause I would include loss to any noncon pattycake would require coach to go to midfield and commit seppuku while the band played Hey Jude.
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bump
Hopefully Sam will just fall on his sword.
Pittman is looking 0-8 in SEC straight in the face.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 02:44 PMPittman is looking 0-8 in SEC straight in the face.
Indeed. Really sucks considering he ran his mouth pretty big going into the season.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 21, 2023, 02:46 PMIndeed. Really sucks considering he ran his mouth pretty big going into the season.
It is amazing what money does to coaches. I guess I can understand. If I made that kind of money and didn't really have to do shit to earn it, I guess I would suck (if I was close to retirement age), too.
Hopefully Pittman hiring Sexton turned his friendship with Yurachek into a business relationship, and now Hunter can make the easy business decision.
Why keep Sam another year when he knows he will probably be fired after next year. Looking at that, I don't even see him trying. Cut bait now and start over....again.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 21, 2023, 03:39 PMWhy keep Sam another year when he knows he will probably be fired after next year. Looking at that, I don't even see him trying. Cut bait now and start over....again.
No reason to hold on to him and have a lame duck coach situation like we had in 2017 with Bert where he'd given up.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 21, 2023, 03:39 PMWhy keep Sam another year when he knows he will probably be fired after next year. Looking at that, I don't even see him trying. Cut bait now and start over....again.
Really in my mind there are only two things that can happen before the first of the year...
1. We clean house including firing Sam, though it would be nice to keep this DC/staff
OR
2. We send Enos packing and go find us a god damn fucking OC that knows they'll probably be the HC in a couple years. Let that OC bring his own people. It's unlikely anyone worth a damn is going to come coach for a lame duck head coach though so it wont work. You'd literally have to get someone like Kendall Briles back and give him the dreaded coach in waiting tag.
Under Chad I felt like our talent was way down...we were snake bit many times and his teams quit early and often. Pittman's players aren't quitting, we just don't play overly smart and I feel like to the trained eye there is talent here and decisions were made that ultimately led to this horrific season. Every coach that comes here is going to be faced with recruiting misses and actual fuck ups from prior staffs...the portal thing helps speed that cycle up to over come it but in this past case the fuck ups were made in 2020 and 2021 and weren't recognized until fall of 2023. The same shit could happen to the next staff and the next one after that and so on. We have to have a coaching staff that thinks like a pro staff much like Muss goes about things.
Hunter hired Sam then gave him a stupid extension for winning 9 games with 6th year Covid seniors who came back while everyone else's went pro and no one was trying to hire him.
Hunter is as guilty as Sam regarding the state of the football program and is about to find out why he gets that $1 million plus salary. Did he say no to a briles raise?
But hey we have big bar at the top of the south end zone!
Hiring a different OC won't fix the real problem, which is the HC in year 4 still making the same mistakes in crunch time.
He can't think fast under pressure.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 21, 2023, 04:15 PMHunter hired Sam then gave him a stupid extension for winning 9 games with 6th year Covid seniors who came back while everyone else's went pro and no one was trying to hire him.
Hunter is as guilty as Sam regarding the state of the football program and is about to find out why he gets that $1 million plus salary. Did he say no to a briles raise?
But hey we have big bar at the top of the south end zone!
Thank you.
I've been saying this in light of all the Yurachek fanboys for the last year.
The guy didn't do or say shit during nearly 2 years of the Morris era. Just pulled a Homer Simpson fading into the bushes, and occasionally tweeted some bullshit about "real fans" (remember that?) and spewing bullshit in a Touchdown Club meeting about how he'd fire a coach "for cause" for losing (which is empty pandering).
Then he fucked up the coaching search, got cheap, and got cowed by a bunch of former players into hiring a career OL coach who had one foot in retirement.
After being MIA for the Morris era, he's suddenly in the locker room and in every video after a win. To your point, he got absolutely played in Pittman's extension when no one was interested in him.
Of course, right on cue, we're losing and he's MIA again despite our football program coming apart at the seams and Pittman putting on a weekly clinic on terrible coaching.
I'm not bullish at all on Yurachek making the right decision or a good hire.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 21, 2023, 04:27 PMThank you.
I've been saying this in light of all the Yurachek fanboys for the last year.
The guy didn't do or say shit during nearly 2 years of the Morris era. Just pulled a Homer Simpson fading into the bushes, and occasionally tweeted some bullshit about "real fans" (remember that?) and spewing bullshit in a Touchdown Club meeting about how he'd fire a coach "for cause" for losing (which is empty pandering).
Then he fucked up the coaching search, got cheap, and got cowed by a bunch of former players into hiring a career OL coach who had one foot in retirement.
After being MIA for the Morris era, he's suddenly in the locker room and in every video after a win. To your point, he got absolutely played in Pittman's extension when no one was interested in him.
Of course, right on cue, we're losing and he's MIA again despite our football program coming apart at the seams and Pittman putting on a weekly clinic on terrible coaching.
I'm not bullish at all on Yurachek making the right decision or a good hire.
this all horseshit.
he fired morris before the end of his second season. he canned him when he should have, anytime sooner would not have done a fucking thing.
he was not going to fire pittman prior to this game so all this little girl hair on fire shit is just that.
he didn't go cheap or fucked up the search, that has been covered ad nauseum on here. again you cherry pick what you want and ignore the other players involved in the whole hiring process.
the raise was everyone in the athletic department's 'fault'. and once more, unless you and the others on here that bitch about a coach's salary are on the foundation's speed dial, what the hell does it matter. they are all overpaid.
if all that makes me a 'fanboy', then so be it.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 21, 2023, 04:51 PMthis all horseshit.
he fired morris before the end of his second season. he canned him when he should have, anytime sooner would not have done a fucking thing.
he was not going to fire pittman prior to this game so all this little girl hair on fire shit is just that.
he didn't go cheap or fucked up the search, that has been covered ad nauseum on here. again you cherry pick what you want and ignore the other players involved in the whole hiring process.
the raise was everyone in the athletic department's 'fault'. and once more, unless you and the others on here that bitch about a coach's salary are on the foundation's speed dial, what the hell does it matter. they are all overpaid.
if all that makes me a 'fanboy', then so be it.
All this is on the right side of true. Yurachek ain't the problem.
Sam is getting 2024 no matter what. If you think that makes Yurachek the problem, then you can hold that opinion.
pittman is in over his head. on that, everyone can agree. i personally just don't get bring up salary or the making anyone other than the coach himself responsible for that.
the guy waved the white flag today at his presser. two weeks is a long time given the current situation and who knows what will happen. maybe nothing, maybe a agreed upon graceful bow out. burning the whole program down by shitcanning the entire staff like i've seen on the interweb boards is the worst thing to do, imo.
I bet Sam retires at the end of the season. Any coach who professes to love Arkansas, the fans, state, etc and wants to stay in the state in retirement can't have another year like this.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 04:53 PMAll this is on the right side of true. Yurachek ain't the problem.
Sam is getting 2024 no matter what. If you think that makes Yurachek the problem, then you can hold that opinion.
Yuri gave us Muss. I'll count on him to get us an equivalent football coach too until he proves me wrong.
That was a pretty full stadium today for a team with this record and 11 am.
I mean, that was about as limpdick an offense as I've seen.
The only thing to do here is probably replace Enos immediately and get Sam to retire at the end of the year, no matter the cost. Seriously, no matter the cost.
The apathy that will hit with another Pittman year is going to be something normally unseen around an SEC program.... but then we also had Chad Morris for like 3 years.
This is my alma mater and I love NWA but I'm at the age where I don't even care anymore.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 21, 2023, 05:02 PMYuri gave us Muss. I'll count on him to get us an equivalent football coach too until he proves me wrong.
The bar is really fucking low for the football coach and none of these fucking coaches can do it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 04:53 PMAll this is on the right side of true. Yurachek ain't the problem.
Sam is getting 2024 no matter what. If you think that makes Yurachek the problem, then you can hold that opinion.
I'm sure you're partially telling yourself this as a coping mechanism to avoid being disappointed. But there is no way Sam keeps the job here with an 0-8 SEC record, and probably not at 1-7 given the loss to BYU. If Hunter keeps Sam with that record he is putting his own job in jeopardy unnecessarily.
I think Enos is let go before Monday.
Maybe Kennedy, too.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 21, 2023, 05:12 PMI think Enos is let go before Monday.
I would do this if I was Pittman.
I would force it if I was Yurachek.
This move would at least indicate something is being tried.
If you can't come in as a coordinator and adjust your offense or defense to your talent, you shouldn't be here or anywhere else. Fuck your style. Use your talent to the best of their abilities.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 05:19 PMI would do this if I was Pittman.
I would force it if I was Yurachek.
This move would at least indicate something is being tried.
If I were Sam I would go to Hunter and ask him point blank what I needed to do to keep my job beyond this year. I would preemptively offer up Kennedy and Enos as immediate sacrifices as a show of intent to fix the issues.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 21, 2023, 05:26 PMIf I were Sam I would go to Hunter and ask him point blank what I needed to do to keep my job beyond this year. I would preemptively offer up Kennedy and Enos as immediate sacrifices as a show of intent to fix the issues.
Is firing coordinators something HC Pittman can do unilaterally? Or does he need HY approval due to salary and contract issues?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 05:29 PMIs firing coordinators something HC Pittman can do unilaterally? Or does he need HY approval due to salary and contract issues?
If Pittman has to ask permission, then we have bigger issues.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 05:29 PMIs firing coordinators something HC Pittman can do unilaterally? Or does he need HY approval due to salary and contract issues?
I guess technically he wouldn't have to fire those guys. He could change their assignment to advance scouting of 2024 opponents.
The pecking order here is Muss. If he likes HY he's going to get HY as his boss. By all means leave it up to the "brass" to drive away another TOP 10 coach. Arkansas has a long time legacy of doing exactly this. Hunter may be a Jerry Jones poser type dude on the sidelines and all that jazz but I'll give him credit in how he's hired for the other sports and let things play out. Again low bar...I think most fans would be happy with 7-5, 8-4, and 9-3 where as there are other programs in our league that if they are dipping down to those numbers they are looking for new coaches.
I don't know how you sell Steely Sam Tittman going forward, he all but admitted he's in over his head today. You have to wonder how much of that was hidden by Odom and maybe even Briles before. The one thing I'll say about Sam is I think he realized how bad we were probably after the 2nd or 3rd game of the season and that's when he got real defensive about the line of questioning. I felt like he lashed out because he knew what was going to happen this season. He knew it and by then couldn't do a damn thing about it.
The bottom line is that we are fucked for the foreseeable future. We will a lot of teams bitches for a while.
What a god damned miserable shit assed clusterfuck this is. Holy shit. This sucks.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 21, 2023, 05:41 PMThe bottom line is that we are fucked for the foreseeable future. We will a lot of teams bitches for a while.
Nothing new.
The most intriguing storyline about Arkansas football is how many good/great coaches the past 50 years we have let slip away, and wound up with the shitty ones. We have a long history of reaching into a sackfull of titties and pulling out a big greasy cock.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 04:53 PMAll this is on the right side of true. Yurachek ain't the problem.
Sam is getting 2024 no matter what. If you think that makes Yurachek the problem, then you can hold that opinion.
If Pittman goes 1-7 or 0-8 in the SEC and is back next year to fuck the dog again in a ghost town of a stadium against an expansion SEC schedule, then that's
absolutely on Yurachek.
The curse strikes every year. We lose someone we can't afford to lose. I'd have never thought in a million years it would be Kindle Briles. I think Odom covered a lot of Sam's shortcomings also.
Sam must either be really dumb or really lazy. Well, I guess he could be both. But anyway, the key is to plan for and prepare for these situations BEFORE the game. It's like he just rolls out every Saturday like he has never done it before.
The issue with firing Enos now is who calls plays? I honestly don't know who the next guy up would be and it could be worse than what we have now sadly.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 21, 2023, 07:25 PMThe issue with firing Enos now is who calls plays? I honestly don't know who the next guy up would be and it could be worse than what we have now sadly.
Not meaning to be hyperbolic, but honestly -- how could it get worse than today?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 21, 2023, 07:25 PMit could be worse than what we have now sadly.
No fucking way.
Just use AI. Does the UofA have a computer department?
Honestly an algorithm would be way better.
https://x.com/iluminatibot/status/1715866584429023365?s=20
Maybe Canada has the right idea...we could just offer the football program a medically assisted death.
We are worse than the Mississippi schools. Yikes!
It's sad watching all these other competitive football contests and knowing we can't piss a drop.
Quote from: animal on Oct 21, 2023, 08:20 PMIt's sad watching all these other competitive football contests and knowing we can't piss a drop.
was thinking the same thing. :(
https://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/news/sam-pittman-buyout-detailing-potential-cost-to-fire-arkansas-head-football-coach/
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 21, 2023, 09:20 PMhttps://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/news/sam-pittman-buyout-detailing-potential-cost-to-fire-arkansas-head-football-coach/
No way he retires with that cheddar. Golden handcuffs time.
he can lose himself out of a lot of it tho.
I don't know, why does Sam Pittman need to squeeze a nickel? He has more money than he can spend. He doesn't have kids to leave his money to. If he gets tired of it and the writing is on the wall, I think a negotiated buyout is possible. It might be that the worst thing HY could do to him is to make him come back next year and coach.
Quitting after this year would be admission that he failed.
I think y'all are delusional if you think Sam is going to take that path.
Going down in flames is better than bailing out with a parachute. He'll have the bank account either way.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 09:37 PMQuitting after this year would be admission that he failed.
I think y'all are delusional if you think Sam is going to take that path.
Going down in flames is better than bailing out with a parachute. He'll have the bank account either way.
Well hell, he's already quit.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 09:37 PMQuitting after this year would be admission that he failed.
I think y'all are delusional if you think Sam is going to take that path.
Going down in flames is better than bailing out with a parachute. He'll have the bank account either way.
Not admitting you've failed is a lot of work. I need a cold beer.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 21, 2023, 09:20 PMhttps://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/news/sam-pittman-buyout-detailing-potential-cost-to-fire-arkansas-head-football-coach/
I should be shocked that the Arkansas Foundation and Athletic Department would sign off on a such a huge buyout again.
I guess writing in the half off if Tits Lasso goes below .500 is some sort of consolation, but still $11 million!!!
HY doesn't look like a good AD right now. He gave a proven contract to an unproven coach.
If we lose out they can fire him at $11m. A bargain. Hy has to fire him after this season to avoid the triggering of more years.
I think Hy will say you want to retire and get paid $11m or get fired and get paid $11m? A retirement would make recruitment of his replacement better.
With the bye now's the time to make changes. Fire Enos and Kennedy in the am, have a meeting with the new restructured staff, and meet with the players in the evening letting them know that opportunities are coming for 2nd stringers, and that underperforming seniors are benched.
I'm not a fan of putting in Criswell for a series or two. A qb needs reps, almost all of them. If we lose the 7th game in two weeks it's time to see what he can do and bench KJ and give starting reps to Criswell.
Tits McGee has to be fired or retired because we've been on downward spiral since the fAggy game, last year. This offense has no energy, direction or compete level. It's all slow developing short passing bullshit with Olinemen not athletic enough to sustain their blocks. There are few shots downfield and no creativity at all. KJ is just not suited for this type of offense. This is the type of bullshit that got Enos fired by Miami.
The defense is competing and there is energy and aggression, but how much longer will that last as the losses pile up? Samwise Titsgee just doesn't have the leadership skills and organizational skills to turn this around. There is no point in giving him another year because the transfer portal means these kids don't have to go down with this sinking ship.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 21, 2023, 09:20 PMQuote from: vegashog (https://www.woopig.org/index.php?msg=45690)
https://www.on3.com/college/arkansas-razorbacks/news/sam-pittman-buyout-detailing-potential-cost-to-fire-arkansas-head-football-coach/
"In fact, winning games could be to his disadvantage."
I can't figure out how this quote is true.
I think the SEC media sees the writing on the wall at least and ferret top has been out on this coach most of the season. This thing has been green lit I feel.
It's going to be hard to not fire Sam at this point. I think he is gonna need to show a pulse these last four games. Maybe doesn't have to win them all but probably needs 4 or 5 wins all total and I don't see where our SEC win is coming from unless we catch someone coming out flat. If we can somehow win a couple in a row and maybe get those juices flowing for a bowl game...maybe we do something but I don't think this team even wants a bowl game. You think KJ wants to get the shit kicked out of him in the Harry's Shaving Nuts Texas Bowl? Probably not. Still to avoid some measure of embarrassment it would be nice to get to six wins somehow...
The "That's on me" stuff is fine....but just remember that when a well rounded lady comes to take your keys.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Barry Odom back here with that OC and maybe keep the current defensive staff. We'll still be a 6-6 team but we'll feel better about it for about 3 or 4 years.
Florida's record is inflated (just like Missouri's) by an anemic schedule and Auburn's offense is still weak so both of those are winnable. But clearly we showed yesterday we can out-flat anyone.
We are conceivably staring at our fourth 0-8 conference record in the last eleven seasons.
And without doing a shred of research, I would hazard a guess that we may be the only school in history to have three consecutive coaches accomplish that feat.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 22, 2023, 08:39 AMFlorida's record is inflated (just like Missouri's) by an anemic schedule and Auburn's offense is still weak so both of those are winnable. But clearly we showed yesterday we can out-flat anyone.
We are conceivably staring at our fourth 0-8 conference record in the last eleven seasons.
Was thinking this same thing yesterday afternoon.
It's a stark revelation of just how bad of shape our football program is in. Worse yet, the SEC is way down this year, so it's not like the murderer's row of years past.
As has been said on here several times this year, when the SEC is down we somehow find a way to be further down.
My kid sent this to me last night asking if it was new or one of the ones from the Aggy game. Apparently it's making the rounds among the students. IMG_0069.jpeg
Hopefully that's fake.
If it's not, just cancel the program.
That's a guy who is getting fired, knows it, and no longer gives a fuck. It also seems like a guy with a fair amount of anger over the whole situation. I can only imagine that things are toxic with the staff and the team now.
It's pretty obviously fake, a takeoff and extension of the earlier one.
I still would have had Dan's shit boxed up this morning. Just on performance.
*Unfortunately, while coordinators and assistants have been fired mid-season before, it's my sense that happens when there is poor performance AND a personality conflict. Not only does this guy suck, but we argue all the time and I can't stand him. Of course, I'm not in the locker room or the coaches meetings, but my sense is that Sam and Dan are friends, so that would probably make it impossible for him to fire Dan no matter the performance side.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 22, 2023, 09:12 AMIt's pretty obviously fake, a takeoff and extension of the earlier one.
I still would have had Dan's shit boxed up this morning. Just on performance.
*Unfortunately, while coordinators and assistants have been fired mid-season before, it's my sense that happens when there is poor performance AND a personality conflict. Not only does this guy suck, but we argue all the time and I can't stand him. Of course, I'm not in the locker room or the coaches meetings, but my sense is that Sam and Dan are friends, so that would probably make it impossible for him to fire Dan no matter the performance side.
I don't know why you would say it's obviously fake. The last time was real. It might be fake, but as we've seen, it could very definitely be real.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 09:25 AMI don't know why you would say it's obviously fake. The last time was real. It might be fake, but as we've seen, it could very definitely be real.
The largest tell is that no matter how stupid he is, Enos wouldn't curse in writing at a student. Just wouldn't happen.
Second tell, especially after his previous email was in the news.
It's obviously an exaggerated lampoon of the earlier one.
I'm pretty good at smelling these things online.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 22, 2023, 09:33 AMThe largest tell is that no matter how stupid he is, Enos wouldn't curse in writing at a student. Just wouldn't happen.
Second tell, especially after his previous email was in the news.
It's obviously an exaggerated lampoon of the earlier one.
I'm pretty good at smelling these things online.
Equally likely that after yesterday he just doesn't care. He's frustrated and knows he is gone anyway.
Pittman is just getting gutted on national tv and everyone's YouTube/podcast/take. I've not ever seen anything like it but no polishing the turd from yesterday.
No way you can keep him.
Quote from: RazorB on Oct 22, 2023, 09:59 AMPittman is just getting gutted on national tv and everyone's YouTube/podcast/take. I've not ever seen anything like it but no polishing the turd from yesterday.
No way you can keep him.
Some national links/examples would be interesting.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 22, 2023, 08:39 AMFlorida's record is inflated (just like Missouri's) by an anemic schedule and Auburn's offense is still weak so both of those are winnable. But clearly we showed yesterday we can out-flat anyone.
We are conceivably staring at our fourth 0-8 conference record in the last eleven seasons.
And without doing a shred of research, I would hazard a guess that we may be the only school in history to have three consecutive coaches accomplish that feat.
Auburn can run the ball; we can't. Auburn may not be able to pass, but they can pass protect; we can't do either one. Just watching them they LOOK quick; we look slow.
We will not not win unless it becomes a FG kicking contest.
Vickery is killing it.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Oct 22, 2023, 10:05 AMAuburn can run the ball; we can't. Auburn may not be able to pass, but they can pass protect; we can't do either one. Just watching them they LOOK quick; we look slow.
We will not not win unless it becomes a FG kicking contest.
We ain't beating Florida or Auburn. We have totally given up as a team. FIU will be a toss up.
I don't get the give Pittman a nice settlement, he will do the right thing, he is loyal to the to UofA, etc bullshit.
Dude whined about his contract/salary, fires the agent who busted her ass to get him a chance at this job then hired Jimmy Sexton. Someone explain the loyalty there please.
We don't owe him a damn thing not in the new contract (which is a different argument).
He has mailed it in since he got his new deal - it has shown on the field and then he confirmed it with his post game press conference which was a Chad Morris level admission of having no clue.
The 9 win season was a fluke and again a win over a overhyped Teasip team was the only win over a ranked team that year. When will we learn (all of us) that while beating teasip is fun it doesn't mean anything?
It is a wonder college football has not bankrupted a university yet with all the stupid contracts and extensions given to football coaches.
Can we please hire a proven head coach who has won meaningful games?
I can only imagine the Gus talk will heat up then that crowd will start pimping Rhett Laslee, just watch.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 22, 2023, 10:24 AMI can only imagine the Gus talk will heat up then that crowd will start pimping Rhett Laslee, just watch.
Only if he gets Gus's endorsement.
Quote from: Zoso on Oct 22, 2023, 10:16 AMVickery is killing it.
Oh heck I forgot to listen to Bill. He's always good for a much needed laugh or cry depending on your state of mind.
Yeah, hate i missed Vickery today as well.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 22, 2023, 12:25 PMYeah, hate i missed Vickery today as well.
They go up here in a few days.
https://podcasts.apple.com/ee/podcast/the-sunday-buzz/id1604429742
Quote from: Spiderham on Oct 22, 2023, 12:27 PMThey go up here in a few days.
https://podcasts.apple.com/ee/podcast/the-sunday-buzz/id1604429742
:beer:
Sunday Buzz is up now on their ap.
Post on Tardville saying that Enos is out Monday and the tight ends coach will call plays and be the interim OC.
Who knows, but it is the first rumor post.
Were any tit bets involved?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 22, 2023, 10:24 AMI don't get the give Pittman a nice settlement, he will do the right thing, he is loyal to the to UofA, etc bullshit.
Dude whined about his contract/salary, fires the agent who busted her ass to get him a chance at this job then hired Jimmy Sexton. Someone explain the loyalty there please.
We don't owe him a damn thing not in the new contract (which is a different argument).
He has mailed it in since he got his new deal - it has shown on the field and then he confirmed it with his post game press conference which was a Chad Morris level admission of having no clue.
The 9 win season was a fluke and again a win over a overhyped Teasip team was the only win over a ranked team that year. When will we learn (all of us) that while beating teasip is fun it doesn't mean anything?
It is a wonder college football has not bankrupted a university yet with all the stupid contracts and extensions given to football coaches.
Can we please hire a proven head coach who has won meaningful games?
I can only imagine the Gus talk will heat up then that crowd will start pimping Rhett Laslee, just watch.
when did he whine about his salary, i'd honestly like to see or hear it. no matter how misguided, he asked for a raise and got it.
and his changing agents is his business. dislike sexton all you want but if you were in that profession, you hire the best, not to do so makes you an idiot. loyalty has nothing to do with it when money is involved.
I want a coach who comes in, evaluates the talent we have, and uses it as it should be used. Don't change the offense or defense if you don't have the personnel to run it. It isn't going to change as the season goes on. Win with who you have, then get the players to run your system later. We are trying to run a new offense that we can't learn fast enough. Enos is a dipshit for trying. We have talent, it just isn't being developed or used the way it should be. Enos...if your system isn't working, find one that does. We are going to suck again next year. Probably worse. I look for a lot of our guys who are worth a shit to say fuck this and portal out.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 01:24 PMwhen did he whine about his salary, i'd honestly like to see or hear it. no matter how misguided, he asked for a raise and got it.
and his changing agents is his business. dislike sexton all you want but if you were in that profession, you hire the best, not to do so makes you an idiot. loyalty has nothing to do with it when money is involved.
I don't disagree with that at all but it changed the dynamic from when we originally hired him and now it's just "business is business".
Allegedly, and this comes from interviews both Enos and Pittman gave before the season, not super secret sources, Enos wanted to come in and modify his approach to the players we had on hand. Pittman felt like we had a big enough turnover with all the new players on offense to make it worthwhile to go ahead and install the new offense.
If that is what happened, then this is squarely on Pittman and I imagine Enos is is pretty damned butthurt to be getting the blame for something he didn't want to do in the first place.
When this is all said and done, I imagine in true Arkansas media fashion they will tell us that Pittman was a big meddler with both Briles and Enos.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 22, 2023, 01:37 PMI don't disagree with that at all but it changed the dynamic from when we originally hired him and now it's just "business is business".
three others on his staff, including both the coordinators, had sexton as an agent and not a peep was heard, even after they got raises.
fwiw, pittman said that the reason he went with sexton was to streamline the process because it was the same agent.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 01:37 PMAllegedly, and this comes from interviews both Enos and Pittman gave before the season, not super secret sources, Enos wanted to come in and modify his approach to the players we had on hand. Pittman felt like we had a big enough turnover with all the new players on offense to make it worthwhile to go ahead and install the new offense.
If that is what happened, then this is squarely on Pittman and I imagine Enos is is pretty damned butthurt to be getting the blame for something he didn't want to do in the first place.
When this is all said and done, I imagine in true Arkansas media fashion they will tell us that Pittman was a big meddler with both Briles and Enos.
Shit, I don't think he meddles enough.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 22, 2023, 01:46 PMShit, I don't think he meddles enough.
Kind of depends. He ain't Petrino who could do any coordinator's or assistant's job better than the coordinator or the assistant.
If we're comparing bosses meddling with subordinates, I'd say Pittman is closer to the Michael Scott model than the Saban or Petrino model.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 09:35 AMEqually likely that after yesterday he just doesn't care. He's frustrated and knows he is gone anyway.
That's the kind of thing that follows him forever. Despite how we think of Enos now, he's not that dumb.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 01:37 PMAllegedly, and this comes from interviews both Enos and Pittman gave before the season, not super secret sources, Enos wanted to come in and modify his approach to the players we had on hand. Pittman felt like we had a big enough turnover with all the new players on offense to make it worthwhile to go ahead and install the new offense.
If that is what happened, then this is squarely on Pittman and I imagine Enos is is pretty damned butthurt to be getting the blame for something he didn't want to do in the first place.
When this is all said and done, I imagine in true Arkansas media fashion they will tell us that Pittman was a big meddler with both Briles and Enos.
And now Enos has been fired. If that is all true then yeah Pittman goofed pretty good
https://twitter.com/mzenitz/status/1716167212632027192
now who calls the plays, lol.
and he better be dragging that fat ass o-line coach out with him.
It's a start.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 02:07 PMnow who calls the plays, lol.
and he better be dragging that fat ass o-line coach out with him.
This is what gets me. The line coach has trotted this shit out for 2 years yet Sam keeps talking about what a good coach the guy is. The dude has got to go too. Sam's CEO approach should give him plenty of time to coach the line himself.
Quote from: flash23 on Oct 22, 2023, 02:11 PMThis is what gets me. The line coach has trotted this shit out for 2 years yet Sam keeps talking about what a good coach the guy is. The dude has got to go too. Sam's CEO approach should give him plenty of time to coach the line himself.
Enos was just one part of the many problems with the team.
This is just to keep the normies in line to support Tits Lasso and stir the pot that he just needs another year to turn it around.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 01:43 PMthree others on his staff, including both the coordinators, had sexton as an agent and not a peep was heard, even after they got raises.
fwiw, pittman said that the reason he went with sexton was to streamline the process because it was the same agent.
I don't really care about Sexton. Just pointing out that the "feel good story" narrative about Sam taking the job without asking the salary went out the window when he got a new contract(and yes, hired Sexton to do it. I don't blame Sam for doing it but that fully turned this right back into the cut throat business that it is. He doesn't get any goodwill now.
I really like the guy and would love to split a case of beer with him on the lake, unlike most of our previous asshole loser coaches. But he's just not a good head coach.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2023, 05:19 PMI would do this if I was Pittman.
I would force it if I was Yurachek.
This move would at least indicate something is being tried.
I wonder which of these it was.
Throwing my marker out right now. I have no sources. I'm making this prediction based on my perception that Sam is not too smart, lazy, and a creature of habit. Jim Chaney is an offensive analyst at A&M. I'll be he is a consultant/analyst here before the year is out.
Some of you guys have very short memories. Briles used KJ in shotgun on inches plays. Remember when Arkansas would be running the ball down defenders throats and then we'd screw up our momentum by running a poorly coached and executed trick play? Briles called slow developing plays too. The team has just gotten worse and worse.
Starts at the top. People need to get over having to fire a guy in year four. That's more than enough time.
Pittman should still be fired, if only because he has admitted he has no idea what he's doing in-game.
Hiring Enos was a signal that we were bringing BertBall back. Swapping out a lazy drunk for a lazy bumpkin is apples to apples.
Well Enos is fired, now for Cletus.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 02:43 PMThrowing my marker out right now. I have no sources. I'm making this prediction based on my perception that Sam is not too smart, lazy, and a creature of habit. Jim Chaney is an offensive analyst at A&M. I'll be he is a consultant/analyst here before the year is out.
I haven't bought an Arkansas shirt in 5 years. If that happens I will take the ones I have and donate them to Goodwill.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 02:43 PMThrowing my marker out right now. I have no sources. I'm making this prediction based on my perception that Sam is not too smart, lazy, and a creature of habit. Jim Chaney is an offensive analyst at A&M. I'll be he is a consultant/analyst here before the year is out.
He had an opportunity to hire Chaney several times before and still hasn't.
And if he was an analyst...all those guys really do is scout team . Guess better thought of as scout assistant coach or something.
So he watches game film and gives his 2 cents for a check.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 22, 2023, 03:09 PMHe had an opportunity to hire Chaney several times before and still hasn't.
And if he was an analyst...all those guys really do is scout team . Guess better thought of as scout assistant coach or something.
So he watches game film and gives his 2 cents for a check.
Oh, I don't know. I'm old enough to remember when in the depths of a miserable season we hired a consultant/analyst to be the actual head coach. In the end, a consultant/analyst can be anything you want him to be.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2023, 02:43 PMThrowing my marker out right now. I have no sources. I'm making this prediction based on my perception that Sam is not too smart, lazy, and a creature of habit. Jim Chaney is an offensive analyst at A&M. I'll be he is a consultant/analyst here before the year is out.
Sam knows if he hires Jim Chaney, he is toast. He won't be hired.
Hiring Chaney is the same as saying "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!"
Buyout money that is.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Oct 22, 2023, 03:14 PMSam knows if he hires Jim Chaney, he is toast. He won't be hired.
Exactly he will hire some offensive genius...like Adam Gase
I almost want to see it happen just for the hilarity that would ensue.
Dowell Loggains would probably come back. lol
The elephant took a shit
What decent OC wants to come here knowing Sam is on borrowed time?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 22, 2023, 03:18 PMWhat decent OC wants to come here knowing Sam is on borrowed time?
That's why Sam can't be allowed to return in 2024.
That and him admitting publicly that he has no idea what the fuck he's doing.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 22, 2023, 03:18 PMWhat decent OC wants to come here knowing Sam is on borrowed time?
I can think of a former NFL coordinator who will be here tomorrow if called.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 22, 2023, 03:18 PMWhat decent OC wants to come here knowing Sam is on borrowed time?
If you're a good OC on a bad team you can survive the HC getting fired. Someone will hire you. Hiring a mid-level OC who is lighting it up (like the UNLV guy) isn't a challenge.
Pittman could have hired a good OC after losing Briles. He settled for the lazy choice, as per usual.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 22, 2023, 03:20 PMThat's why Sam can't be allowed to return in 2024.
That and him admitting publicly that he has no idea what the fuck he's doing.
nobody before the end of the season and nobody then without a winkwink HC-in-waiting promise
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 02:07 PMnow who calls the plays, lol.
and he better be dragging that fat ass o-line coach out with him.
This!
Another consideration is that recruiting is getting better and better under Pittman. That's not a small thing, blue chip guys are still the main key to success. To build trust, foundation, and relationships with those guys start young and take time. But we're still doing well with the portal, inconsistent but more hits than misses.
He made an outstanding hire with T Will and the defensive changes there.
He'll have to make another hire on the offensive side now.
All this tells me is Sam will be back next year. He is making staff changes, hopefully correcting the problem, and he will be given next year to show that its "them, not me".
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 22, 2023, 02:41 PMI wonder which of these it was.
I think it's all Pittman. He said we needed to make some decisions, so he wanted to show he could make one.
Yurachek hasn't appeared to be that much of a meddler. But Shirley he's sitting back and watching, and not giving this any more weight than it deserves. The last four games still should dictate Sam's future.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 22, 2023, 03:58 PMAnother consideration is that recruiting is getting better and better under Pittman. That's not a small thing, blue chip guys are still the main key to success. To build trust, foundation, and relationships with those guys start young and take time. But we're still doing well with the portal, inconsistent but more hits than misses.
He made an outstanding hire with T Will and the defensive changes there.
He'll have to make another hire on the offensive side now.
Our recruiting is still somewhere around the bottom third of the conference. That is NOT our key to success. We will always have to win with scheme.
whether it was pittman's decision alone or not, the net result will probably be the same. he gets another year.
supposedly kennedy has been told he hits the bricks after the missouri game.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 22, 2023, 04:01 PMAll this tells me is Sam will be back next year. He is making staff changes, hopefully correcting the problem, and he will be given next year to show that its "them, not me".
It tells me he was told to figure it the fuck out and do it sooner rather than later.
Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2023, 05:29 PMIt tells me he was told to figure it the fuck out and do it sooner rather than later.
Exactly
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 04:16 PMwhether it was pittman's decision alone or not, the net result will probably be the same. he gets another year.
supposedly kennedy has been told he hits the bricks after the missouri game.
Probably an economic decision to let Pittman have next season, let that buyout shrink up.
Surely no one believes he can effectively coach this team.
From the nob...
QuotePittman thought the roster turnover would bring in enough new guys to make it worth installing Enos' full offense. He completely discounted the value of continuity for key guys like KJ, the RB room, and the OL. Pittman also whiffed on thinking his position coaches would be fully bought into the offense and more importantly be able to coach the offense into the position groups such that the offense would be a cohesive unit.
QuotePiggybacking off of this, the information came from Dan Enos and Sam Pittman interviews on HOGS+.
Hogs+ was a nifty idea but I cancelled it last season.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 01:43 PMthree others on his staff, including both the coordinators, had sexton as an agent and not a peep was heard, even after they got raises.
fwiw, pittman said that the reason he went with sexton was to streamline the process because it was the same agent.
If you play the "I love this place" and "muh loyaltee" card to get and keep the job, when you hire the biggest shark in the agent pool who also has a documented history of working against our school to the benefit of rival programs, you don't get to play the same card as other coaches who are just trying to get market value.
Yurachek would have almost certainly given Sam a similar raise if he'd kept Judy Henry, if he'd hired Petrino's agent Russ Campbell, or probably if the two of them had sat down with an old col'beer and hashed it out themselves. Hiring an enemy of the program to do his negotiating was completely unnecessary and showed bad faith after Hunter and others had stuck out their necks for a guy who wasn't even qualified to get an interview for a SEC head coaching position without familiarity.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2023, 04:16 PMwhether it was pittman's decision alone or not, the net result will probably be the same. he gets another year.
supposedly kennedy has been told he hits the bricks after the missouri game.
Hopefully this is the case. Kennedy deserved to be fired at the end of last year, and certainly should have been shown the door along with Enos. But maybe they don't have a GA that could handle the day-to-day duties without a warm body in the position. This is a start at least.
I don't think you can bring Sam back at 0-8, and almost certainly not at 1-7, but getting the guy most responsible for the shitty offense is a good start.
We're going bowling now!
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 22, 2023, 05:58 PMFrom the nob...
Hogs+ was a nifty idea but I cancelled it last season.
I keep it for basketball and baseball behind the scenes stuff.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 22, 2023, 06:24 PMWe're going bowling now!
I assume somewhere in NWA there is a bowling alley.
Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2023, 07:22 PMI assume somewhere in NWA there is a bowling alley.
Is "Larry" coming? :suicide:
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 22, 2023, 04:09 PMOur recruiting is still somewhere around the bottom third of the conference. That is NOT our key to success. We will always have to win with scheme.
It's still the best we've ever done. We got 2026 guys that arguably nationwide recruits that could go any where.
Yes we'll always need to win with scheme. Evidently not Enos's.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 22, 2023, 07:44 PMIt's still the best we've ever done. We got 2026 guys that arguably nationwide recruits that could go any where.
Yes we'll always need to win with scheme. Evidently not Enos's.
People don't want to hear it, but short of a decade or so of 2010-2011 success we are always going to recruit in the 15-30 range nationally which will put us somewhere between 6th and 10th in the SEC.
The fellers over on reddit have developed a short list so all is well
Dan Mullen
Rhett Lashlee
anyone with Texas ties and knowing HY is a plus
Gus
Michigan DC that came out of his momma's vag in a hospital in Arkansas.
Call me crazy but Odom and his innovative OC don't look half bad right now. Fayvillains had a good paragraph on them several weeks back.
A previously dogshit UNLV has no business being 6-1.
Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2023, 07:52 PMThe fellers over on reddit have developed a short list so all is well
Dan Mullen
Rhett Lashlee
anyone with Texas ties and knowing HY is a plus
Gus
Michigan DC that came out of his momma's vag in a hospital in Arkansas.
We're boned.
Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2023, 07:52 PMThe fellers over on reddit have developed a short list so all is well
Dan Mullen
Rhett Lashlee
anyone with Texas ties and knowing HY is a plus
Gus
Michigan DC that came out of his momma's vag in a hospital in Arkansas.
:suicide:
Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2023, 07:22 PMI assume somewhere in NWA there is a bowling alley.
There was in the early 90's. The intramural bowling league was allsome. I usually bowled the current temperature. Celsius.
Dan Mullen is a decent, serviceable coach. He's probably looking for the right opportunity to showcase his check cashing skills.
Its time
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I don't know who we have a legitimate shot at and who we don't, but Yurachek's hires have been out of this world in virtually every sport.
Given the train wreck of a program we had after Morris, Pittman likely was the best option he had and he left it much better than he found it, there's talent on campus for the right winner of a coach.
I just don't see why you would keep Pittman another year. Ideally a graceful "retirement" would be the best approach.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 22, 2023, 08:06 PMCall me crazy but Odom and his innovative OC don't look half bad right now. Fayvillains had a good paragraph on them several weeks back.
A previously dogshit UNLV has no business being 6-1.
I'd bet he's high up on HY's list.
Odum would get us to the Weedeater Bowl most years, Liberty Bowl would be his ceiling.
That would be peak-Arkansas. "You were previously fired from your last SEC head coaching job? The guy they replaced you with is only marginally better? How does $7 million/year sound?"
I'm out on Odom.
Fired at Mizzou and wasn't great here.
Plus, we're currently in the process of firing a head coach who was himself an assistant on the staff of a previous failed head coach here.
Burn the Bielema/Pittman tree and salt the earth where it was.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 23, 2023, 08:02 AMI'm out on Odom.
Fired at Mizzou and wasn't great here.
Plus, we're currently in the process of firing a head coach who was himself an assistant on the staff of a previous failed head coach here.
Burn the Bielema/Pittman tree and salt the earth where it was.
Odom seems to have figured out that he needs a bad ass OC to run things. His Missouri teams were good when they had Heupel, and ass when he replaced him with Derek fucking Dooley.
Brennan Marion has kicked ass there, but we also need to remember that Odom originally hired BMFP for that spot before the sheep fuckers poached him away.
Barry would be a decent, high floor/low ceiling hire if we strike out on a lot of others, but that's about it.
I want Sam fired, but if they let him come back, it needs to be on the condition that the entire offensive staff is fired. Hire a new OC and let him bring his people. And don't give the guy a stupid buyout, but if it takes $2 million a year to get someone decent to come, pay them and consider it money well spent. And don't leave it strictly up to Sam. Sam needs help to do well, that's clear by now.
One could wonder why you keep a coach if you have to hold his hand, and that is valid. I agree. But if they are going to keep him, they need to get the stink of this offense out of the program and the next OC is more important than just Sam Pittman's tenure.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 23, 2023, 08:31 AMI want Sam fired, but if they let him come back, it needs to be on the condition that the entire offensive staff is fired. Hire a new OC and let him bring his people. And don't give the guy a stupid buyout, but if it takes $2 million a year to get someone decent to come, pay them and consider it money well spent. And don't leave it strictly up to Sam. Sam needs help to do well, that's clear by now.
One could wonder why you keep a coach if you have to hold his hand, and that is valid. I agree. But if they are going to keep him, they need to get the stink of this offense out of the program and the next OC is more important than just Sam Pittman's tenure.
If we could find a potential "HC in waiting" type candidate, I'd say yeah, bring him in, and give him the freedom to run the offense.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 23, 2023, 09:23 AMIf we could find a potential "HC in waiting" type candidate, I'd say yeah, bring him in, and give him the freedom to run the offense.
Has the "head coach in waiting" ever worked out for a school?
We special. We'll make it work.
:P
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 23, 2023, 08:11 AMOdom seems to have figured out that he needs a bad ass OC to run things. His Missouri teams were good when they had Heupel, and ass when he replaced him with Derek fucking Dooley.
Brennan Marion has kicked ass there, but we also need to remember that Odom originally hired BMFP for that spot before the sheep fuckers poached him away.
Barry would be a decent, high floor/low ceiling hire if we strike out on a lot of others, but that's about it.
Sheep fuckers? Aggies are goat fuckers. You're disrespecting sheep.
I'd want to keep Jimmy Smith and Morgan
Guiton maybe
Offensive issues aren't their fault.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 23, 2023, 08:11 AMOdom seems to have figured out that he needs a bad ass OC to run things. His Missouri teams were good when they had Heupel, and ass when he replaced him with Derek fucking Dooley.
Brennan Marion has kicked ass there, but we also need to remember that Odom originally hired BMFP for that spot before the sheep fuckers poached him away.
Barry would be a decent, high floor/low ceiling hire if we strike out on a lot of others, but that's about it.
This.
It's not a home run but it is solid.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 23, 2023, 09:47 AMWe special. We'll make it work.
:P
Without a doubt. Just look at our sparkling hiring history.
Who wants to come on basically a one year contract? If the guy is good enough for the HC gig/HC in waiting, what incentive does he have to work wonders with the offense if it prolongs his ability to become head coach? I get that firing Enos likely buys Pittman another year unless we show absolutely no improvement our final four games. I just don't know if we'll actually be in a better place. The most likely scenario I see is giving Guiton the permanent job if he can somehow manage 2 wins to end the year.
The best scenario for a fan is for us to lose out badly and to be left with no choice but to fire Sam. Anything else will see the program set further back.
I remember when Sam was hired the consensus was, even from people in the know, that he was a five year hire even if he was successful. So now in year four people want to give him more time? What, for just another year or two even if he turns it around a little? What is the upside verses the downside?
If we are serious about making a change, offer him his lower below .500 buyout and a nice press conference and sendoff with him announcing his retirement. If he doesn't want that, tell him at the end of the year that he is (likely to be the case) at .500 exactly and that he will be fired ignominiously in the middle of the season the instant his overall record drops below .500.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 23, 2023, 10:53 AMThe best scenario for a fan is for us to lose out badly and to be left with no choice but to fire Sam. Anything else will see the program set further back.
Agreed.
He's likely a lame duck coach next year regardless, so why do we want to delay the inevitable?
The math doesn't add up on keeping him. If you bring him back you still have to pay him another $6M in salary, plus the (inevitable) buyout once next season goes to shit, plus you have to factor in the lost revenue from tickets, concessions, and donations now that apathy has set in hard.
I'm neither a donor nor a mathematician, but it seems to me that the math itself would ultimately favor firing him.
Quote from: Feral on Oct 23, 2023, 11:13 AMAgreed.
He's likely a lame duck coach next year regardless, so why do we want to delay the inevitable?
The math doesn't add up on keeping him. If you bring him back you still have to pay him another $6M in salary, plus the (inevitable) buyout once next season goes to shit, plus you have to factor in the lost revenue from tickets, concessions, and donations now that apathy has set in hard.
I'm neither a donor nor a mathematician, but it seems to me that the math itself would ultimately favor firing him.
Cheap bad coaches cost more than expensive good ones. Just once I would like to see Arkansas spend whatever it takes to get the best coach we can and see what happens then.
Look at what it cost the university by not giving Briles another minor raise:
- Millions to pay Enos
- Millions to hire a new OC on a guaranteed contract (if Sam is retained)
- Millions in lost ticket sales and merchandise from a bad season (that otherwise would have been pretty good)
- Further damage to the reputation of the football program
That's a bad ROI. They have no choice but to move on. Go find someone young, hungry (for wins), and innovative.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 23, 2023, 11:21 AMLook at what it cost the university by not giving Briles another minor raise:
- Millions to pay Enos
- Millions to hire a new OC on a guaranteed contract (if Sam is retained)
- Millions in lost ticket sales and merchandise from a bad season (that otherwise would have been pretty good)
- Further damage to the reputation of the football program
That's a bad ROI. They have no choice but to move on. Go find someone young, hungry (for wins), and innovative.
That guy was coaching at Memphis 6 years ago when we had an opening, and he wanted our job.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 23, 2023, 11:29 AMThat guy was coaching at Memphis 6 years ago when we had an opening, and he wanted our job.
Yes, that is who I wanted them to hire, but that ship has sailed.
I just want someone who demands accountability. There is a guy over in Tardville who claims to know someone who is in the program but not on staff. He has been saying since the first of the season that our defensive staff is very organized, accountable, and results oriented. The offensive staff is grabass, lazy, and unorganized. And the culprit is Sam. He stays out of the defense but is buddy buddy with some of the offensive staff and they are always in his ear about this or that. They aren't on the same page and he doesn't demand they get on it. Thus, it is the worst of all worlds. We have a coach who undercuts the authority of the offensive coordinator without being detail oriented enough to provide it himself. These observations seem to match what is on the field.
That isn't going to get better unless a strong OC is hired and Sam is told to keep his hands off. But, you know, why bother trying to save a coach from himself? Hire someone else.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 23, 2023, 11:21 AMLook at what it cost the university by not giving Briles another minor raise:
- Millions to pay Enos
- Millions to hire a new OC on a guaranteed contract (if Sam is retained)
- Millions in lost ticket sales and merchandise from a bad season (that otherwise would have been pretty good)
- Further damage to the reputation of the football program
That's a bad ROI. They have no choice but to move on. Go find someone young, hungry (for wins), and innovative.
the boosters paid enos's buyout, it didn't cost the university a dime.
briles didn't leave because of money. pittman allowed a te coach input in the offense, who given an inch, wanted the proverbial mile. there was in effect three people involved in the play calling.
This board wanted Briles gone. The fan base wanted Briles gone. I wanted Briles gone. It's revisionist history, or at least hindsight, to say "man we should have paid Briles his money."
We got divorced from a B- to try to marry an A. Just because an F was the next bitch to move in doesn't mean we should have kept the B-. Like life, you just try again.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 23, 2023, 09:57 AMThis.
It's not a home run but it is solid.
I'm old enough and beaten down enough to be willing to accept a coach that wins 6-9 games a year, and occasionally when the stars align, is able to pull off something like 10-11 wins. Basically a more competent Nutt and what Petrino possibly would have settled into had he not been canned prematurely.
I don't think that's asking too much, and I don't think it's too defeatist, either.
What do you guys think about Kane Wommack at South Alabama? He's been pretty successful down there and I think he would qualify as an up-and-comer. He's got ties to Arkansas since his dad coached here and he went to Fayetteville High. He seems like a good one to, at least, take a look at.
anyone who's good at their job should be considered.
our recruiting has been focusing more in alabama and georgia, taking the ones those two schools don't want. that's the way to go.
there's 40 players from arkansas on the roster. we don't need 'arkansas connections', we get the instate kids anyways.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 23, 2023, 11:54 AMThis board wanted Briles gone. The fan base wanted Briles gone. I wanted Briles gone. It's revisionist history, or at least hindsight, to say "man we should have paid Briles his money."
We got divorced from a B- to try to marry an A. Just because an F was the next bitch to move in doesn't mean we should have kept the B-. Like life, you just try again.
The fanbase didn't want him gone and I told you that we would likely get someone worse.
You don't get rid of a B- when you're going to have a D- trying to make the next hire.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Oct 23, 2023, 12:06 PMWhat do you guys think about Kane Wommack at South Alabama? He's been pretty successful down there and I think he would qualify as an up-and-comer. He's got ties to Arkansas since his dad coached here and he went to Fayetteville High. He seems like a good one to, at least, take a look at.
When it comes to the up and comer types I think we can do better. I think Kane is probably going to have to get a lower rung FBS gig prior to getting a real P4/P5 gig.
I think it is clear to everyone now that changing OCs and by extension your offense wasn't the smartest decision with a senior qb returning who was very good in that offense.
It torpedoed the season and should end Pittman's time here as head coach.
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 23, 2023, 11:21 AMLook at what it cost the university by not giving Briles another minor raise:
- Millions to pay Enos
- Millions to hire a new OC on a guaranteed contract (if Sam is retained)
- Millions in lost ticket sales and merchandise from a bad season (that otherwise would have been pretty good)
- Further damage to the reputation of the football program
That's a bad ROI. They have no choice but to move on. Go find someone young, hungry (for wins), and innovative.
The U of A makes a habit out of stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 23, 2023, 06:54 AMI'd bet he's high up on HY's list.
Odum would get us to the Weedeater Bowl most years, Liberty Bowl would be his ceiling.
Totally agree. We should not hire Odom. Terrible recruiter, below average coach.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 23, 2023, 11:54 AMThis board wanted Briles gone. The fan base wanted Briles gone. I wanted Briles gone. It's revisionist history, or at least hindsight, to say "man we should have paid Briles his money."
We got divorced from a B- to try to marry an A. Just because an F was the next bitch to move in doesn't mean we should have kept the B-. Like life, you just try again.
I never wanted Briles gone.
I thought you and everyone else calling for his head were idiots, and this year has proven that.
Quote from: Gambler on Oct 23, 2023, 10:20 AMWithout a doubt. Just look at our sparkling hiring history.
I'm certain you picked up on me faking a sarcasm....
Quote from: Cornhogio on Oct 23, 2023, 01:05 PMI'm certain you picked up on me faking a sarcasm....
It was noted.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Oct 23, 2023, 01:04 PMI never wanted Briles gone.
I thought you and everyone else calling for his head were idiots, and this year has proven that.
You do know that TCU scored 3 points on Saturday too.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 23, 2023, 11:54 AMThis board wanted Briles gone. The fan base wanted Briles gone. I wanted Briles gone. It's revisionist history, or at least hindsight, to say "man we should have paid Briles his money."
We got divorced from a B- to try to marry an A. Just because an F was the next bitch to move in doesn't mean we should have kept the B-. Like life, you just try again.
I'm with you on that. It's like saying the big money boosters should have provided a secret hideout with a motorcycle course and blonde volleyball players.
The inherent fuckup by Pittman was:
1) not trying to maintain some semblance of continuity and instead opting to turn over both coordinators
2) unnecessarily forcing a complete scheme change
Our defense in 2022 was historically bad. If one coordinator had to go it was Odom. Either way, Pittman's decision to completely change our offense schematically from was absurd and what led us to this point.
Enos had to go, but Pittman has to go for forcing that shift.
Quote from: abnormal hog on Oct 23, 2023, 01:18 PMYou do know that TCU scored 3 points on Saturday too.
I sure do. I also know that their offense is much better than ours by a long shot this year.
I also know under Briles last year our offense was:
217 rushing yards per game
268 passing yards per game
Well Briles lifted his skirt one too many times and Pittman / HY decided to quit playing games.
Plenty of revisionist history here, the board was irate with Briles at times.
Enos forced too much of his offense, too soon. It failed. Unfortunately we got Miami Enos and not 2015-2016 Enos.
He's not here anymore.
keeping Briles wasn't the right move
hiring someone who ran a Briles-like offense was the right move
hiring Enos was the wrong move.
As for no OC wanting to come work for a coach who likely has one year remaining, I wonder if that isn't part of Yurachek's plan.
Have Pittman fire Enos now and give him time to find an acceptable replacement. By December if Pittman isn't able to attract someone that Yurachek approves of due to the dead man walking stigma, then go ahead and make the move to find a new Head coach.
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 23, 2023, 03:23 PMAs for no OC wanting to come work for a coach who likely has one year remaining, I wonder if that isn't part of Yurachek's plan.
Have Pittman fire Enos now and give him time to find an acceptable replacement. By December if Pittman isn't able to attract someone that Yurachek approves of due to the dead man walking stigma, then go ahead and make the move to find a new Head coach.
I would figure any decision on whether to keep Pittman would involve his plan for replacing Enos and moving forward. Kind of like his meeting with Anderson...if HY did that feel like there was a solid plan going forward, go ahead and make the move.
Quote from: animal on Oct 23, 2023, 12:23 PMWhen it comes to the up and comer types I think we can do better. I think Kane is probably going to have to get a lower rung FBS gig prior to getting a real P4/P5 gig.
Do you mean a lower rung Power5 gig? He's at a lower rung FBS school now in South Alabama (SunBelt conference).
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Oct 23, 2023, 04:10 PMDo you mean a lower rung Power5 gig?
5th to 7th in a 7 team division for almost yearly for a decade sounds lower rung
Quote from: egregious on Oct 23, 2023, 04:18 PM5th to 7th in a 7 team division for almost yearly for a decade sounds lower rung
True, but he's only been there for 3 years. Last year they won 10 games and are on pace to win at least 8-9 this year.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Oct 23, 2023, 04:22 PMTrue, but he's only been there for 3 years. Last year they won 10 games and are on pace to win at least 8-9 this year.
I was talking about us being "lower rung G5".
Quote from: egregious on Oct 23, 2023, 04:24 PMI was talking about us being "lower rung G5".
OK...I misinterpreted that.
A lot of coaches would come here. We are easy money for very little work.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Oct 23, 2023, 04:10 PMDo you mean a lower rung Power5 gig? He's at a lower rung FBS school now in South Alabama (SunBelt conference).
I mean something higher grade than a Sun Belt gig but not necessarily an elite mover and shaker program like Arkansas.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 23, 2023, 05:05 PMA lot of coaches would come here. We are easy money for very little work.
And low expectations.
Sam said today that Enos would call a game differently than they practiced. I wonder if having been Pittman's boss, Enos felt like he knew a lot more than Sam about offense and figured he would do whatever the hell he wanted.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 23, 2023, 07:08 PMSam said today that Enos would call a game differently than they practiced. I wonder if having been Pittman's boss, Enos felt like he knew a lot more than Sam about offense and figured he would do whatever the hell he wanted.
No one fears or respects Sam. Players and coaches. He has to go.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Oct 23, 2023, 07:13 PMNo one fears or respects Sam. Players and coaches. He has to go.
This. Even if the players didn't get up and want to play for Enos, they still would have done it if they'd respected Pittman.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 23, 2023, 07:08 PMSam said today that Enos would call a game differently than they practiced. I wonder if having been Pittman's boss, Enos felt like he knew a lot more than Sam about offense and figured he would do whatever the hell he wanted.
I just read an article about that, couldn't stand to watch.
Talking about Guiton and his offense, he used phrases like "in my opinion" and the like.
Sam's the damn (to use his favorite word) boss. You think Saban kowtows to his OC?
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 23, 2023, 07:15 PMI just read an article about that, couldn't stand to watch.
Talking about Guiton and his offense, he used phrases like "in my opinion" and the like.
Sam's the damn (to use his favorite word) boss. You think Saban kowtows to his OC?
Yeah, that's very troubling. Add in other things we've heard in recent days, like he didn't know what to do during the game, and that his team's spirit is broken.
Does any of that sound like the alpha dog? Does any of that sound like a Type A HC personality in the midst of a monumental losing streak, where he'd rather die than lose another game?
Oh fuck.
If they are planning on bringing Sam back next year, somebody needs to tell him to STFU. He makes it worse with every press conference.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 23, 2023, 07:41 PMIf they are planning on bringing Sam back next year, somebody needs to tell him to STFU. He makes it worse with every press conference.
That's part of the charm of Pittman as he's too dumb to know you can't tell the truth all the time.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 23, 2023, 07:41 PMIf they are planning on bringing Sam back next year, somebody needs to tell him to STFU. He makes it worse with every press conference.
this and stop reference to his team as " the kids". sounds like he is about to hand out orange slices.
he is sounding more and more like a rerun of the final series of Chad Morris press conferences.
I'm watching Swamp Kings right now. I don't care if we have to go down to junior high to find a coach who fits the bill...I want a coach who would rather cut off his dick than lose a game.
Justin Fuente
I think I may have brought his name up for OC in the 45 minutes of the job hunt for the OC when Enos was hired. I know his star has fallen but he did build Memphis along with help from Cornrows and Odom. He's 47 years old, currently an analyst for Indiana. Has a background having been coached by John Blake (black santa) and Pittman knows all them guys from those days. Probably has a relationship with Fuente.
He fucking flamed out big time at Va Tech so I wouldn't want him as Head Coach...but as an OC maybe there's something there. I don't know. Maybe a Gary Patterson/Fuente marriage in Arkansas...
I'm guessing Sam is just going to give Guiton a list of plays he has permission to run. We need to fuck the fear turkey and find out what lies beyond the Pittman era.
A coach that I haven't seen mentioned that would be a realistic homerun hire would be Klieman from K State. He's produced everywhere he's been and is the only coach to have success in Manhattan Kansas outside of Snyder. We need someone who can overcome similar challenges here.
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 25, 2023, 08:40 AMA coach that I haven't seen mentioned that would be a realistic homerun hire would be Klieman from K State. He's produced everywhere he's been and is the only coach to have success in Manhattan Kansas outside of Snyder. We need someone who can overcome similar challenges here.
Agreed. People seem to be focused more on the other Kansas coach Leipold.
Many fans (and in the past, decision makers) have focused on getting recruiters. That's trying to win a battle that is unwinnable. No matter who we hire, we aren't out-recruiting at least half the teams we play. We have to find someone who can take three stars and either develop them into four and five stars, or who can outscheme the coaches who rely on superior talent. The Jimmies and Joes simpletons won't like this, but it's fact that has been borne out over our program's history.
The elf's word salad today is the talking point that Enos was the whole problem and went rouge and Sam would have fired him sooner but Odom left for UNLV and wasn't here to tell him to fire him. Seriously?
Judas. He hired Enos (despite Sam touting all his coaching connections and thus multiple options) which really makes one wonder who will he be able to hire this time especially when Sam says firing Enos does NOT "solve all our problems, we have line issues, back issues, running route issues, tight end issues. Dan took the blunt of it be we all haven't been coaching as well." Plus there is no idea who QB1 is next year.
Who the hell worth a damn is going to want to work for that dead man walking?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 25, 2023, 08:45 AMAgreed. People seem to be focused more on the other Kansas coach Leipold.
Many fans (and in the past, decision makers) have focused on getting recruiters. That's trying to win a battle that is unwinnable. No matter who we hire, we aren't out-recruiting at least half the teams we play. We have to find someone who can take three stars and either develop them into four and five stars, or who can outscheme the coaches who rely on superior talent. The Jimmies and Joes simpletons won't like this, but it's fact that has been borne out over our program's history.
exactly
You have 85 scholarships. With the portal you don't have to develop everybody 2 years before they can play.
If you have 50 guys who can play including specialists and you are a smarter strategist you ought to be able to beat anybody, at least more often that every 17 years plus. That gives you 35 slots for some portal misses and local want-to-be-here guys and OLs to develop. You probably have enough slack for 10-15 misses on your roster at any time.
Of the teams that play Bama does anybody else have a longer losing streak among them of those who play them regularly?
That answers the question of who we are. Close doesn't count with them because they know they can dick around and still beat us and we are layer in the year so they don't need to make an impression by them.
The other thing is someone absolutely cold-blooded about trimming the scrap. That should be easy for anybody getting money who is not getting on the field.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 25, 2023, 09:14 AMThe elf's word salad today is the talking point that Enos was the whole problem and went rouge and Sam would have fired him sooner but Odom left for UNLV and wasn't here to tell him to fire him. Seriously?
Judas. He hired Enos (despite Sam touting all his coaching connections and thus multiple options) which really makes one wonder who will he be able to hire this time especially when Sam says firing Enos does NOT "solve all our problems, we have line issues, back issues, running route issues, tight end issues. Dan took the blunt of it be we all haven't been coaching as well." Plus there is no idea who QB1 is next year.
Who the hell worth a damn is going to want to work for that dead man walking?
I didn't click on the Facebook link when it came up, but found it laughable that he was on queue to say it was a bad hire. Just like when we fire Nutt, Bret, and Chad, He waits till it is safe to criticize hiring "fill in the blank."
I expect another one, when we fire Lasso Tits.
Some idiot thinks we can't afford to fire Pittman and giving him another year will motivate him to do better to get the a better buyout than the $11 million, if he loses out this year.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 25, 2023, 09:14 AMThe elf's word salad today is the talking point that Enos was the whole problem and went rouge and Sam would have fired him sooner but Odom left for UNLV and wasn't here to tell him to fire him. Seriously?
Judas. He hired Enos (despite Sam touting all his coaching connections and thus multiple options) which really makes one wonder who will he be able to hire this time especially when Sam says firing Enos does NOT "solve all our problems, we have line issues, back issues, running route issues, tight end issues. Dan took the blunt of it be we all haven't been coaching as well." Plus there is no idea who QB1 is next year.
Who the hell worth a damn is going to want to work for that dead man walking?
Hey, it's 2023. A man can go rouge if he wants. NTTAWWT.
But seriously, that's believable that he couldn't make a decision quickly enough. Heck, he probably burned all his phone minutes for the month trying to fire Enos by repeatedly dialing Dan's number and hanging up before he answered.
Sam sounded like a guy wanting to clean up the kitchen and serve a good last meal before closing shop. I don't think he's planning on being here by his choice, regardless of what HY might do. He can live real good on what he's got and he'll get a going away bonus.
Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 25, 2023, 01:50 PMSam sounded like a guy wanting to clean up the kitchen and serve a good last meal before closing shop. I don't think he's planning on being here by his choice, regardless of what HY might do. He can live real good on what he's got and he'll get a going away bonus.
He's been around football long enough he knows that bar winning out, he's done.
He is an idiot if at his age and with his money he wants to come back. I don't think he does.
I do think it would be important for him to go out as a winner snd setting aside that first year, if he can win one more he can go out at .500. If he can somehow win a couple, he can go out as a winner. I'll bet that is important to him.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 25, 2023, 02:27 PMHe is an idiot if at his age and with his money he wants to come back. I don't think he does.
I do think it would be important for him to go out as a winner snd setting aside that first year, if he can win one more he can go out at .500. If he can somehow win a couple, he can go out as a winner. I'll bet that is important to him.
$5 million more important reasons.
We should not be looking for any coach that we wanted...check's notes...TWENTY YEARS AGO.
Ship has sailed. Let's look for the next hot young up and coming coach that we will want but which the powers-that-be will snub so that he will harbor a grudge against us as a rival coach that beats us almost every year.
THAT's the Arkansas way.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 25, 2023, 02:57 PM$5 million more important reasons.
Nah, he is going out on his own and he'll accept a reduced buyout to get it done. The one thing he DOES NOT want is to have to come back and coach next year.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Oct 25, 2023, 02:57 PM$5 million more important reasons.
No shit. I don't think he's going anywhere.
We just need to embrace that our program is going to have to eek out an existence on the margins of the SEC and we need to gamble on potential offensive innovation. I don't even care, Slow-mesh, option, Pistol- whatever is fine as long as we have a coherent long-term strategy.
Having a talent discrepancy like we do is a hard pill to swallow, but it's worse when even though the stars align and we manage to have a returning senior QB we just end up being dogshit because we didn't actually have a coherent offensive philosophy to begin with.
As far as Sam goes, we are paying the price for not having a HC with either OC or DC abilities. We will continue to have instability in the program because too much of the philosophy will be contributed by coordinators who also call the plays. Best case scenario for him is so unlikely, he'd have to absolutely nail hires over and over again. This does not seem likely.
Give me the biggest nerd in the room and I want to hear his plan.
Quote from: Hizog on Oct 25, 2023, 08:40 AMA coach that I haven't seen mentioned that would be a realistic homerun hire would be Klieman from K State. He's produced everywhere he's been and is the only coach to have success in Manhattan Kansas outside of Snyder. We need someone who can overcome similar challenges here.
I have mentioned him many times
with texass and ou leaving the b12 at the end of the season, it's going to be hard to ask a successful coach from that conference to come to a middle to lower end sec program.
klieman won the b12 last year and the path will be that much easier with those two teams gone.
Quote from: SnowManSlayer on Oct 25, 2023, 03:54 PMwe manage to have a returning senior QB we just end up being dogshit because we didn't actually have a coherent offensive philosophy to begin with.
As far as Sam goes, we are paying the price for not having a HC with either OC or DC abilities. We will continue to have instability in the program because too much of the philosophy will be contributed by coordinators who also call the plays.
Realized this is essentially the John L. year in terms of the gap between expectation and reality.
Except Smile actually won 2 SEC games. I was personally there for a beatdown of Kentucky. I am pretty sure that was his year; with the other win being Auburn.
If Enos is truly the bad guy in all of this(I mean, his play calling sometimes looked like he was sabotaging the team), all the more reason to force Sam out. He should have reassigned him to a basement broom closet scouting Arkansas 3A football for recruits) the second time he defied him. It makes Sam look pathetic.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 25, 2023, 05:27 PMIf Enos is truly the bad guy in all of this(I mean, his play calling sometimes looked like he was sabotaging the team), all the more reason to force Sam out. He should have reassigned him to a basement broom closet scouting Arkansas 3A football for recruits) the second time he defied him. It makes Sam look pathetic.
It just surprises me that it took 7 games for him to realize we weren't running the plays in games that we were practicing. If true, Enos should have been let go a LOT sooner.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 25, 2023, 05:40 PMIt just surprises me that it took 7 games for him to realize we weren't running the plays in games that we were practicing. If true, Enos should have been let go a LOT sooner.
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me
Quote from: Son of Spam on Oct 25, 2023, 05:40 PMIt just surprises me that it took 7 games for him to realize we weren't running the plays in games that we were practicing. If true, Enos should have been let go a LOT sooner.
If it took that long, we should have let SAM go sooner.
The more Sam talks, the more I think he's full of bullshit.
No matter what we want to tell ourselves the bottom line is for nearly a decade since 2015 Dan Enos has been largely mediocre as a offensive coordinator.
From this point we can only speculate as to why he was hired by Sam Pittman. Obviously it was a semi easy sell to the fans by bringing up the successful 2015 season with Brandon Allen as a senior. It was an easy leap to think he could hone the skills of KJ Jefferson. Too damn easy. We are just fans and cannot really truly know if these players have what it takes to make the leap that Dan Enos was asking of them. If only there is someone who's job it is to know this sort of thing. If only we had a person on the sidelines guiding things and understanding what his team needs.
Sadly we don't have that person.
I mean, it was an easy hire. Sam worked for Jim Chaney, Dan Enos, Jim Chaney, and James Coley.
He knew he wouldn't be allowed to hire Chaney. Colely got demoted after one year as OC at Georgia. So, Enos it was. He really hadn't had any dealings with any OCs except for those in a decade.
We've always made a lot about his coaching connections, but does a offensive line coach really make thst many connections? I would expect him to be down in the weeds a lot tending his business. And over the last decade when offenses have changed s lot, he was working for dinosaurs.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 25, 2023, 07:56 PMThe more Sam talks, the more I think he's full of bullshit.
I don't think Sam is full of bullshit. The more he talks just exposes his ineptitude at running a team or getting involved. Saban sticks his head in all the meeting rooms and remains h de facto db room coach. Sam appears to spend his time in his office playing Angry Birds. It's like he absorbed nothing from his experience about building a winning environment. He's got to go.
Y'all figuring out that now he's saying whatever he thinks it'll take to save his own job? If what he's said about Enos is really true then both should have been fired for incompetence.
Speaking of Jeff Traylor, saw this on X this morning. :D
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Quote from: cchog on Oct 26, 2023, 11:55 AMSpeaking of Jeff Traylor, saw this on X this morning. :D
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Mark him off the list. I don't think even Sam wouldn't fall for that.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 26, 2023, 12:27 PMMark him off the list. I don't think even Sam wouldn't fall for that.
I feel like Sam would think the trap was a cracker for the cheese and just eat the whole thing. Probably ask for seconds.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 25, 2023, 05:05 PMRealized this is essentially the John L. year in terms of the gap between expectation and reality.
Except Smile actually won 2 SEC games. I was personally there for a beatdown of Kentucky. I am pretty sure that was his year; with the other win being Auburn.
Yes
Our talent level was abysmal that JLS year.
There's considerable talent on this team being squandered.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 26, 2023, 03:17 PMOur talent level was abysmal that JLS year.
There's considerable talent on this team being squandered.
A little blocking and something closer to Briles O and this team probably wins a min 9 games this season
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 26, 2023, 03:17 PMOur talent level was abysmal that JLS year.
There's considerable talent on this team being squandered.
Bobby would have won between 8-10 games with the 2012 team.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 26, 2023, 03:17 PMOur talent level was abysmal that JLS year.
There's considerable talent on this team being squandered.
There was plenty of talent on that 2012 team. Some of it was young, but some of it wasn't:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/team/31/roster.html
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 26, 2023, 12:27 PMMark him off the list. I don't think even Sam wouldn't fall for that.
No, don't. I have been beating the Traylor drum for some time, and think he is definitely worth considering. Knows Arkansas because he's been there, fantastic high school recruiting connections in Texas (especially East Texas), and from people that know him, an all-around good guy. A winner.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 27, 2023, 10:28 AMNo, don't. I have been beating the Traylor drum for some time, and think he is definitely worth considering. Knows Arkansas because he's been there, fantastic high school recruiting connections in Texas (especially East Texas), and from people that know him, an all-around good guy. A winner.
It was a joke. He and Herman would both be okay in my book. Therefore, there's no chance we'll get either.
I'm leaning toward Guiton at minimum will be the "co-oc next season, they'll bring in some budget friendly other co OC that will probably have an assistant head coach title and probably have experience as a D1 head coach
Sam is a lame duck coach and everyone knows it...but the media is pushing hard for this narrative that it was all the fault of Enos and Sam is just an innocent little lamb
Quote from: animal on Oct 27, 2023, 12:24 PMI'm leaning toward Guiton at minimum will be the "co-oc next season, they'll bring in some budget friendly other co OC that will probably have an assistant head coach title and probably have experience as a D1 head coach
Sam is a lame duck coach and everyone knows it...but the media is pushing hard for this narrative that it was all the fault of Enos and Sam is just an innocent little lamb
Not to throw a wet blanket on it, but he hasn't even called a game before, not just here but anywhere. Next week will be his first time ever as a playcaller.
Even if we have a better-than-expected final few games, I still think it's risky asking someone so unproven to create an offense for us next year. If we hire an experienced OC or former OC as head coach, and if Guiton shows promise in November, and if he's compatible with the next coach (assuming we have a new coach), then I've got no problem with it.
Lots of ifs and questions until then, though.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 27, 2023, 12:32 PMNot to throw a wet blanket on it, but he hasn't even called a game before, not just here but anywhere. Next week will be his first time ever as a playcaller.
Even if we have a better-than-expected final few games, I still think it's risky asking someone so unproven to create an offense for us next year. If we hire an experienced OC or former OC as head coach, and if Guiton shows promise in November, and if he's compatible with the next coach (assuming we have a new coach), then I've got no problem with it.
Lots of ifs and questions until then, though.
You know he has played some Madden
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 27, 2023, 10:28 AMNo, don't. I have been beating the Traylor drum for some time, and think he is definitely worth considering. Knows Arkansas because he's been there, fantastic high school recruiting connections in Texas (especially East Texas), and from people that know him, an all-around good guy. A winner.
Everyone going to let this go without calling attention to the pic? Esp the lady in red?
Ok I'll step up. jd if it's your daughter I apologize.
Sam ain't coming back. He has had a little time to think about it and he'll lay down just like his teams have been doing over the last two years. He just needs a little time to get used to the idea.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 27, 2023, 01:46 PMEveryone going to let this go without calling attention to the pic? Esp the lady in red?
Ok I'll step up. jd if it's your daughter I apologize.
Wow I just went back and looked. I have no idea how that picture got attached to that post. The picture of the young woman in red with her mother was one of the Jewish hostages that I tried in vain to attach to another thread to remark on her beauty. I have no idea how it got on that post. I couldn't ever get it to attach when I wanted to, so I gave up.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 27, 2023, 02:39 PMone of the Jewish hostages
She is beautiful. But this kinda makes me back off the TOPIWLTFT thread.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 27, 2023, 02:16 PMSam ain't coming back. He has had a little time to think about it and he'll lay down just like his teams have been doing over the last two years. He just needs a little time to get used to the idea.
no way Sexton lets him walk, his clients do not quit, they get fired or they don't get the money.
Seriously, if Sam was all that then why did he fire Henry and hire Sexton?
He is not leaving money on the table or falling on the sword.
He's here until he gets fired.
someone pay the fee and ask him - https://www.athletespeakers.com/speaker/sam-pittman
it doesn't matter to sexton one way or another. agents get their percentage of the total contract. whether his clients complete their contracts or get bought out, he gets his money.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Oct 26, 2023, 11:23 PMThere was plenty of talent on that 2012 team. Some of it was young, but some of it wasn't:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/team/31/roster.html
Meh. Not much. Offensive line was suspect. Injuries wiped out both starting LB's early.
The only way Sam is getting fired is if he loses out and gets the 50% discount double check buyout reduction OR something to fire him for cause over which I'd like to think is not the style of the UA. We aren't Michigan State looking for a reason to fire a coach....well are but we have our scruples.
@bigpig We always seem to have these crackers calling the plays. It's not lost on me that the defense got better and more talent came in the instant we hired a couple of minority coaches to lead the defense. They can and probably will do the same on offense. If we manage to show a pulse on offense these last few games I can certainly envision them giving Guiton the title if not the outright offense.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 26, 2023, 08:39 PMBobby would have won between 8-10 games with the 2012 team.
I don't know, that talent drop off...
He would've won plenty with our current talent level, I know that.
(Old Bobby, New Bobby isn't the same guy)
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 27, 2023, 01:46 PMEveryone going to let this go without calling attention to the pic? Esp the lady in red?
Ok I'll step up. jd if it's your daughter I apologize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f-urJmprEQ
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 27, 2023, 07:52 PMI don't know, that talent drop off...
He would've won plenty with our current talent level, I know that.
(Old Bobby, New Bobby isn't the same guy)
They still had a lot of the same players that went 11-2 the year before.
I think they would have lost to Alabama, Johnny Douchebag, and probably South Carolina's best team. 9-3 regular season.
Quote from: egregious on Oct 27, 2023, 08:11 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f-urJmprEQ
https://youtu.be/T9Jcs45GhxU?si=BcLPmSpnH6xxZGHs
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 27, 2023, 12:32 PMNot to throw a wet blanket on it, but he hasn't even called a game before, not just here but anywhere. Next week will be his first time ever as a playcaller.
Even if we have a better-than-expected final few games, I still think it's risky asking someone so unproven to create an offense for us next year. If we hire an experienced OC or former OC as head coach, and if Guiton shows promise in November, and if he's compatible with the next coach (assuming we have a new coach), then I've got no problem with it.
Lots of ifs and questions until then, though.
Yet the experts who have done it for years keep lining their guys up in the shotgun on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 27, 2023, 03:10 PMShe is beautiful. But this kinda makes me back off the TOPIWLTFT thread.
Hate to say it, but I think that is where I was trying to post it, with a message about how I was evil for thinking it. Or was I?
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 27, 2023, 11:14 PMHate to say it, but I think that is where I was trying to post it, with a message about how I was evil for thinking it. Or was I?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKxtIzmLKI
Yes I am
Screw thinking little. The first move I would make would be to at least try to outbid FSU for Norvell. If we don't get him, we will at least make other good coaches aware of what we're willing to pay. Right now, it's going to take something outrageous to get us out of this hole.
The basketball game today proves what kind of support you get with a winner.
Norvell would love that. Sexton would get him a Jimbo-size contract at FSU.
Norvell would laugh in our faces, and rightly so.
Unlike Chad Morris....Rhett Lashlee is actually putting together a decent resume while at SMU. So there's that. I don't think we have the balls to hire another SMU guy any time soon but he's part of the Gus tree that most of Springdale approves of. Former Arkansas player so you know he get its and stuff.
I would rather go Herman or Traylor before Lashlee but I think he's going to be in the running and may wait on the job to open.
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 12:05 PMNorvell would laugh in our faces, and rightly so.
He would, but Lurk isn't wrong. Signal to the market that we're thinking big and willing to pay that way.
if pittman is canned after this season, the average stay for the last four arkansas football coach (leaving out john l) is 3.75 seasons. nobody worth a shit is going to consider this job without a big salary and a guarantee to go with it.
that said the hire will probably be an up and comer with a few years as a hc and have to have arkansas connections because, for reasons no one can explain in the age of nil and the transfer portal, that seems to be an important qualifier.
Quote from: animal on Oct 28, 2023, 12:15 PMUnlike Chad Morris....Rhett Lashlee is actually putting together a decent resume while at SMU. So there's that. I don't think we have the balls to hire another SMU guy any time soon but he's part of the Gus tree that most of Springdale approves of. Former Arkansas player so you know he get its and stuff.
I would rather go Herman or Traylor before Lashlee but I think he's going to be in the running and may wait on the job to open.
I can't stand Herman. He seemed Hootie-esque during his time in Austin. I'd rather roll the dice on GJ Kinne or Traylor before going that route. There's a reason he's at FAU now. I think of him as the offensive version of Muschamp.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 28, 2023, 12:47 PMHe would, but Lurk isn't wrong. Signal to the market that we're thinking big and willing to pay that way.
If we go that route then I would make that offer to Chris Kliemann. Norvell won't even answer our call. Rightfully so.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 28, 2023, 12:47 PMHe would, but Lurk isn't wrong. Signal to the market that we're thinking big and willing to pay that way.
Norvell is walking into 7.5mm in 2024 and returning a top 10 team. Over the next 2 years his contract is closer to 8-8.25mm/year. We're not going to offer anything close, much less even more than that to make him even blink twice at the thought of leaving his situation there. So why get told no publicly. Doing so adds to the pressure and puts HY behind the proverbial 8 ball in the coaching search.
I guess that's Lurk's point though. Offer Norvell 10mm/year...
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 01:23 PMNorvell is walking into 7.5mm in 2024 and returning a top 10 team. Over the next 2 years his contract is closer to 8-8.25mm/year. We're not going to offer anything close, much less even more than that to make him even blink twice at the thought of leaving his situation there. So why get told no publicly. Doing so adds to the pressure and puts HY behind the proverbial 8 ball in the coaching search.
I guess that's Lurk's point though. Offer Norvell 10mm/year...
I think that is Lurk's point, more or less. Mine all along has been similar and may be just like his.
Put 15mil out there. 5 yr contract with stepped qualifiers. You meet the qualifiers for that year, you get another year tacked on the end. 5 yr rolling contract. You miss a qualifier. A year gets cut. Now you have to meet the past year and the next.
Year 4 and you miss, you just lost 4 years.
Or something or other like that.
Money talks. 15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you. Hell make it 20 if need be. Make a statement that you're ready to play ball or just be like we all know we're gonna be. A bunch of Pussy motherfucking losers.
Fuck it.
Quote from: RedRiverHog on Oct 28, 2023, 01:51 PMMoney talks. 15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you. Hell make it 20 if need be. Make a statement that you're ready to play ball or just be like we all know we're gonna be. A bunch of Pussy motherfucking losers.
Fuck it.
You make it sound like we'll start out with $6 mil/year or something.
Quote from: RedRiverHog on Oct 28, 2023, 01:51 PMI think that is Lurk's point, more or less. Mine all along has been similar and may be just like his.
Put 15mil out there. 5 yr contract with stepped qualifiers. You meet the qualifiers for that year, you get another year tacked on the end. 5 yr rolling contract. You miss a qualifier. A year gets cut. Now you have to meet the past year and the next.
Year 4 and you miss, you just lost 4 years.
Or something or other like that.
Money talks. 15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you. Hell make it 20 if need be. Make a statement that you're ready to play ball or just be like we all know we're gonna be. A bunch of Pussy motherfucking losers.
Fuck it.
It's similar to finding a lady.
If you're 6'4", fit, good looking, have a great personality and a 9" cock you're probably not going to have any trouble attracting 9's and up. The more of those characteristics you lack, the more you have to make up somewhere else...mainly with money.
Arkansas right now is the 5'6" overweight dude with anxiety issues and tiny hands, and we're competing with about six guys like the one above for the same dating pool. We can either settle for 4's or we can throw some money around and at least attract some 7's and 8's, and maybe occasionally grab the 9 who "gets us."
Quote from: RedRiverHog on Oct 28, 2023, 01:51 PMI think that is Lurk's point, more or less. Mine all along has been similar and may be just like his.
Put 15mil out there. 5 yr contract with stepped qualifiers. You meet the qualifiers for that year, you get another year tacked on the end. 5 yr rolling contract. You miss a qualifier. A year gets cut. Now you have to meet the past year and the next.
Year 4 and you miss, you just lost 4 years.
Or something or other like that.
Money talks. 15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you. Hell make it 20 if need be. Make a statement that you're ready to play ball or just be like we all know we're gonna be. A bunch of Pussy motherfucking losers.
Fuck it.
You're "qualified" salary isnt a "15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you, money" though. It comes with a lot of risk for someone like Norvell who has a guaranteed 8/yr over his next 3 at FSU.
Speaking of risk, as an AD who offers a guarantee of 10+ million, your job is now directly tied to the success of the FB program. If it doesnt work out youre likely toast, and job prospects for the next stop just got a lot smaller.
It's crazy talk, but if you want to go big, throw 15+ guaranteed at Saban and make him tell you no. Maybe he wants 1 last rebuild before he's funeral at the 50, and we get the last laugh and paybacks for Bear Bryant.
So we've been settling for fat chicks and retards?
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 02:50 PMYou're "qualified" salary isnt a "15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you, money" though. It comes with a lot of risk for someone like Norvell who has a guaranteed 8/yr over his next 3 at FSU.
Speaking of risk, as an AD who offers a guarantee of 10+ million, your job is now directly tied to the success of the FB program. If it doesnt work out youre likely toast, and job prospects for the next stop just got a lot smaller.
It's crazy talk, but if you want to go big, throw 15+ guaranteed at Saban and make him tell you no. Maybe he wants 1 last rebuild before he's funeral at the 50, and we get the last laugh and paybacks for Bear Bryant.
Again, it's more about signalling to the market that we're serious about football than necessarily about Norvell. I don't think he'd bite, if for no other reason than I think FSU would match us. There's no real embarrassment in getting turned down by someone in the elite tier of coaches like that. Someone who we may not be thinking of could be unhappy in his current spot, and might write the AD a letter...
It's what our competitors did, Jimbo and Brian Kelly.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 28, 2023, 02:57 PMAgain, it's more about signalling to the market that we're serious about football than necessarily about Norvell. I don't think he'd bite, if for no other reason than I think FSU would match us. There's no real embarrassment in getting turned down by someone in the elite tier of coaches like that. Someone who we may not be thinking of could be unhappy in his current spot, and might write the AD a letter...
Understood, and I agree with the idea. It's just gonna be a helluva challenge for HY especially given the conference realignment with Texas and OU coming in. One things for sure though, Arkansas fans are so hungry that if we do manage to strike gold and hire the right guy who comes in and wins consistently, we'll build a statue.
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 02:50 PMYou're "qualified" salary isnt a "15 million and anyone in the country will talk to you, money" though. It comes with a lot of risk for someone like Norvell who has a guaranteed 8/yr over his next 3 at FSU.
Speaking of risk, as an AD who offers a guarantee of 10+ million, your job is now directly tied to the success of the FB program. If it doesnt work out youre likely toast, and job prospects for the next stop just got a lot smaller.
It's crazy talk, but if you want to go big, throw 15+ guaranteed at Saban and make him tell you no. Maybe he wants 1 last rebuild before he's funeral at the 50, and we get the last laugh and paybacks for Bear Bryant.
By qualifiers I mean set goals you have to meet every year to keep rolling over your 5yr contract.
START with 15 to say, yeah Saban, make him say no.
Hell with the AD. They live and die by the sword anyway. If the AD can't step up and put his balls on the line then he needs to step off also.
They want fans to be all in but they not willing to. I'd be willing to bet a dollar to a dime that everyone on here would be in or back in the season ticket game if we did some shit like that.
I know I would be.
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 03:06 PMUnderstood, and I agree with the idea. It's just gonna be a helluva challenge for HY especially given the conference realignment with Texas and OU coming in. One things for sure though, Arkansas fans are so hungry that if we do manage to strike gold and hire the right guy who comes in and wins consistently, we'll build a statue.
Right what Dirk said and yes you're right also except the statue is already built and sits at the NE corner of the stadium
It's time to make that mean something (again)
Really it's not hard for HY. Step up or step off.
So I guess you're kinda right. Lol
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I said it on the old board and I will reiterate it again. Sam's decline began after the Liberty loss. You don't recover from a loss like that. Ever since, it has been a slow decline and there are no signs that it will be improving next year. You have to fire him now due to the conference expansion next year. Yurachek has built a winner out of the basketball team, volleyball team, softball team and Soccer. He knows how to hire a head coach, he just needs to tell the PTB to shut the fuck up and get out of his way. This year, more than any other, has proven to me that you can build a winner in football here. We have the money, the facilities, the fanbase, the NIL, the portal. All we need is a competent coach.
Quote from: razor5396 on Oct 28, 2023, 03:27 PMI said it on the old board and I will reiterate it again. Sam's decline began after the Liberty loss. You don't recover from a loss like that. Ever since, it has been a slow decline
Agree with Liberty being the turning point. Those damn twists. But, not so slow. 6 in a row is rocketing downhill pretty damn fast.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 28, 2023, 11:53 AMNorvell would love that. Sexton would get him a Jimbo-size contract at FSU.
At least try.
I wanted Norvell badly the last time around, but at this point you're overpaying and taking a foolish risk like the Aggies did.
Agree we need to open up the coffers, but not be Aggies about it.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 28, 2023, 03:31 PMAgree with Liberty being the turning point. Those damn twists. But, not so slow. 6 in a row is rocketing downhill pretty damn fast.
Liberty was most definitely Sam's turning point, and it was his version of Bert losing 56-3 to Auburn where it signaled "hey maybe this guy actually isn't good."
A few weeks later we blew a 24-7 halftime lead to Mizzou, and then the Belk Bowl meltdown was to follow.
Insane how all of us saw something in Norvell but we missed the boat completely anyway. We just knew one day, this is how we find ourselves. It happened in excruciating slow motion.
Every SEC West school except us and Mississippi State has a big name behind them. If we hope to keep up, Arkansas will have to pay.
The sad thing is, the uptick in cost is the gum off of a Walton's shoe. We could have every dollar we would ever need if they gave a damn and gave back what the state and school gave to them. God really does hate us to give us this knowledge.
My rant's over. It just sucks balls to watch other programs enjoy the football season and this is the norm for us.
Going into today only 4 FBS teams had scored 30+ in every game this season. Cornrows' team was one.
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 12:05 PMNorvell would laugh in our faces, and rightly so.
Maybe, you don't know if you try.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Oct 28, 2023, 05:49 PMI wanted Norvell badly the last time around, but at this point you're overpaying and taking a foolish risk like the Aggies did.
Agree we need to open up the coffers, but not be Aggies about it.
Jimbo had one foot in the grave. Norvell is young and has proven he knows how to win. They weren't that happy with him early on in Tallahassee so I don't understand all the acting like he loves it down there. Plus, it's Tallahassee.
Norvell would be awesome, but let's be honest - he has a lot better recruiting base where he is in addition to
1) he's winning - the national media will love the return of the Noles.
2) Clemson is going down
2a) he has the best program in Florida by FAR
3) he's winning
4) winning bring money for everyone
5) our window closed when we hired the guy who beat him HEAD TO HEAD. If only he had been at SMU instead of Memphis it would have been a no brainer cause you know 7 wins at SMU!!!! (though never beating a P5 team).
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 28, 2023, 08:37 PMMaybe, you don't know if you try.
You don't know if you DON'T try.
I stated I agree ultimately with your point. "Time to throw some big money around."
Im not sure what your definition of big money is though because Norvell is staring 8.5 in the face returning a top 10 program on the rise. So whats the number we throw at him to make him leave? And for those claiming "we throw that big number at him to let the market know that we're serious..", it doesnt work like that. You offer 10 million to Norvell and you look like a fool when he turns you down. The "market" just spoke, and now youre behind the 8 ball and look like a desperate program.
These last several are what would happen if Dr. Evil was our AD.
"Here's a kajillion bazillion dollars. I dare you to say no."
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Oct 28, 2023, 10:18 PMThese last several are what would happen if Dr. Evil was our AD.
"Here's a kajillion bazillion dollars. I dare you to say no."
Exactly. And ask A&M how that's working out. They were paying Sumlin big market money way back when, and it cost them HUGE to get rid of him. Then they paid Jimbo Huge money, with something like a 75 million dollar buyout to boot. They just forced an OC hire on him and they're 5-3 and unranked.
There's a big misconception here that big money equals big wins, when it's clear that's not how it works.
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 09:59 PMYou don't know if you DON'T try.
I stated I agree ultimately with your point. "Time to throw some big money around."
Im not sure what your definition of big money is though because Norvell is staring 8.5 in the face returning a top 10 program on the rise. So whats the number we throw at him to make him leave? And for those claiming "we throw that big number at him to let the market know that we're serious..", it doesnt work like that. You offer 10 million to Norvell and you look like a fool when he turns you down. The "market" just spoke, and now youre behind the 8 ball and look like a desperate program.
Well then, offer 10 million to someone else.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 28, 2023, 10:45 PMWell then, offer 10 million to someone else.
Just because you can doesnt mean you should. If its the right guy, sure, but Herman or Traylor would probably jump all over the opportunity for half that.
Then take the 2-3 million you saved and ink Muss to an extension for $7mm per.
Quote from: TC on Oct 28, 2023, 10:56 PMJust because you can doesnt mean you should. If its the right guy, sure, but Herman or Traylor would probably jump all over the opportunity for half that.
Then take the 2-3 million you saved and ink Muss to an extension for $7mm per.
You sold me with that. :D I just now finished watching the game.
Listening to Shane Beamer...they are 2-6 or whatever now and he's not sullen and crying at the press conference. He still has his dignity...anyway that's a man that knows how to lose.
We are a desperate (and dumb) program. We've been that and looked like that for years.
I'm not talking buy outs. That's how things have got like they are now in the coaching world. "I don't have to work my ass off they can't do anything to me because they'll have to pay my ass"
I'm saying performance based on a reasonable stepped schedule. Even include a "down year" step in there along the way. The money is yours up front. You do the job, you get the money. You don't we part ways.
Times are different now, portal, NIL and all the other stuff available for a coach and program. It's time contracts change how they're structured too.
We can sign Muss to whatever number it takes right now. Regardless of the football money.
An offensive minded coach on the younger side with a willingness to embrace the NIL and hammer administration and boosters to get on board.
And I would rather hires a coordinator than an older coach on the downside of his career. Look at someone like Lebby.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 29, 2023, 09:12 AMAn offensive minded coach on the younger side with a willingness to embrace the NIL and hammer administration and boosters to get on board.
And I would rather hires a coordinator than an older coach on the downside of his career. Look at someone like Lebby.
This. 100%
The problem with coaching contracts is that you are limited by what your competition is doing.
The collective of all schools' activities sets the market rate, and in 2023 the market rate is $8mm+ per year for at least 4 years.
That's the average for a new power 4 conference coach and will get you an average coach with average results.
We can day dream all day about the ideal contract and pie in the sky incentives and buyout clauses and those will get you an unproven high school coach in 2023.
It is what it is. Either we say fuck it and continue as we have for the past 11 years, or we say fuck it and do what we have to do to bring in a top ten coach. There's not much in between.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 29, 2023, 09:12 AMAn offensive minded coach on the younger side with a willingness to embrace the NIL and hammer administration and boosters to get on board.
And I would rather hires a coordinator than an older coach on the downside of his career. Look at someone like Lebby.
Definitely someone willing ready and able to take advantage of the portal. Players are going to go where they're coached and developed. Clemson is tanking and Dabo's refusal and/or inability to fill positions in the portal is a big reason.
Also we need someone who's not so stupid that they would make Chaggie Morris an analyst.
pittman understands nil, you don't have to be young to know how that works.
a coach can only offer what's in the pot. the football program just doesn't have the support it needs when it comes to nil, despite all the big money people in arkansas like to brag about.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 29, 2023, 09:49 AMpittman understands nil, you don't have to be young to know how that works.
a coach can only offer what's in the pot. the football program just doesn't have the support it needs when it comes to nil, despite all the big money people in arkansas like to brag about.
If can only offer what's in the pot, then he doesn't understand NIL. One of the biggest responsibilities of head coaches going forward is to increase the size of the pot. You do that by winning, creating excitement, AND actively campaigning for more NIL and calling out lack of support. A coach is going to have to work the phones to buy players.
you act like all that isn't being done. he won 9 games and beat the team the big money guys love to beat two years ago and the nil money hardly got a bump.
our boosters are into facilities, buildings with their names on it. fair to criticize his coaching job but to say our lack of funding is all on the the hc is dumb.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 29, 2023, 10:10 AMyou act like all that isn't being done. he won 9 games and beat the team the big money guys love to beat two years ago and the nil money hardly got a bump.
our boosters are into facilities, buildings with their names on it. fair to criticize his coaching job but to say our lack of funding is all on the the hc is dumb.
If it were being done, there would be results.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 29, 2023, 10:10 AMyou act like all that isn't being done. he won 9 games and beat the team the big money guys love to beat two years ago and the nil money hardly got a bump.
our boosters are into facilities, buildings with their names on it. fair to criticize his coaching job but to say our lack of funding is all on the the hc is dumb.
Lane Kiffin called out Ole Miss's NIL program as lagging behind the others last year. Their big money people were embarrassed by it, and stepped up.
Our boosters have always had this aversion to spending money without first seeing results. Probably because many/most of the ones who care about sports inherited the bulk of their wealth versus having to take risks to get it. They are usually willing to pony up for existing players who have produced (and have as long as I've been alive) or for coaches who have already won something. They are loathe to put money out there for an unproven commodity, like a recruit or a coach who hasn't produced on the field. That may be smart if you're managing an existing empire, but it's how you stay stuck in middle management/middle class hell if you aren't already a "have".
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 29, 2023, 09:12 AMAn offensive minded coach on the younger side with a willingness to embrace the NIL and hammer administration and boosters to get on board.
And I would rather hires a coordinator than an older coach on the downside of his career. Look at someone like Lebby.
I generally loathe Kiffin and his shtick, but he's been hammering Ole Miss fans and boosters from day 1 about them needing to get serious about NIL. He basically used the Auburn job as leverage last year for them to get serious financially about funding a winner.
That's what we need. Not Kiffin, but a coach who's going to call our fans and boosters on their bullshit about being an unserious program.
Edit - damn, Dirk already made my point.
we can argue NIL all day but let's be frank - coaching is still going to matter and that is our biggest problem right now because the offense and special teams are not good and the 2 weakest spots (o-line and kick returns) are coached by sam's guys.
Add to that the fact the 4th year head coach can't make a critical decision and doesn't want to take a timeout to think about it.
Yes NIL can get the players on campus, but they still need to be coached up.
We're not going to out recruit the majority of the SEC - we don't have the name or recruiting base - and we are not going to outspend many either, everyone in the SEC has money and great facilities and it's only going to get harder with OU and teasip coming into the SEC in football.
there is only so much NIL available per school - we also have basketball and baseball to consider.
really - it all cancels out (nil, facilites, blah blah) doesn't it and come down to coaching - evaluating and then coaching players. Muss and DVH prove this and that's why they win here on lowly Arkansas. Pittman is not one of those coaches.
if the SEC goes to 9 games we lose a non-conferce game and 7 win season (depending on the SEC schedule) could be hard to come by moving forward.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 29, 2023, 09:44 AMThe problem with coaching contracts is that you are limited by what your competition is doing.
The collective of all schools' activities sets the market rate, and in 2023 the market rate is $8mm+ per year for at least 4 years.
That's the average for a new power 4 conference coach and will get you an average coach with average results.
We can day dream all day about the ideal contract and pie in the sky incentives and buyout clauses and those will get you an unproven high school coach in 2023.
It is what it is. Either we say fuck it and continue as we have for the past 11 years, or we say fuck it and do what we have to do to bring in a top ten coach. There's not much in between.
All of this.
We can craft the ideal contract for us, but it's going to net another desperation reach hire like Pittman.
Billy Napier was coaching in the Sun Belt and got over $7 million per from Florida plus a huge increase in the football budget.
Like it or not, when it comes to contracts (especially for new hires), coaches and agents have ADs over a barrel and have for the better part of a decade.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 29, 2023, 11:37 AMwe can argue NIL all day but let's be frank - coaching is still going to matter and that is our biggest problem right now because the offense and special teams are not good and the 2 weakest spots (o-line and kick returns) are coached by sam's guys.
Add to that the fact the 4th year head coach can't make a critical decision and doesn't want to take a timeout to think about it.
Yes NIL can get the players on campus, but they still need to be coached up.
We're not going to out recruit the majority of the SEC - we don't have the name or recruiting base - and we are not going to outspend many either, everyone in the SEC has money and great facilities and it's only going to get harder with OU and teasip coming into the SEC in football.
there is only so much NIL available per school - we also have basketball and baseball to consider.
really - it all cancels out (nil, facilites, blah blah) doesn't it and come down to coaching - evaluating and then coaching players. Muss and DVH prove this and that's why they win here on lowly Arkansas. Pittman is not one of those coaches.
if the SEC goes to 9 games we lose a non-conferce game and 7 win season (depending on the SEC schedule) could be hard to come by moving forward.
You're not wrong.
At a surface level, I'd put our talent level this year up against many SEC teams. The difference has been coaching, preparation, playing the wrong players (Rocket and DJ), inexplicably not playing good players (Ty Washington, Sategna, E'Marion Harris) which has been an issue throughout the Pittman era, and situational coaching and game management.
Pittman continues to fail at all the stuff you need to do to put players in a position to be successful.
Pittman is a very bad head coach. I'm glad Enos is gone but the real problems won't be solved until Pittman is replaced. No one should take this program seriously until we hire a real coach.
Quote from: vegashog on Oct 29, 2023, 09:49 AMpittman understands nil, you don't have to be young to know how that works.
a coach can only offer what's in the pot. the football program just doesn't have the support it needs when it comes to nil, despite all the big money people in arkansas like to brag about.
I feel like this team was more than capable of winning SEC games this season with better game management, an offensive line, and a better OC...you could probably overcome two of those issues with a working offensive line. Having all three in serious doubt was a death blow to the team. We can blame that on NIL money...certainly hard to compete when other programs have their entire O Lines paid very well even if they don't play. Defensively this season I think it's safe to say we are as talented there as we've been in 20 years. Sadly it's going to go down as wasted.
I don't follow the NIL thing very closely and just wonder if fans are attributing us losing with our betters not opening their purse strings. We have to find something to blame it on so it must be the Waltons.
We need to recruit more ambulance chasers for NIL money.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 29, 2023, 11:37 AMwe can argue NIL all day but let's be frank - coaching is still going to matter and that is our biggest problem right now because the offense and special teams are not good and the 2 weakest spots (o-line and kick returns) are coached by sam's guys.
Add to that the fact the 4th year head coach can't make a critical decision and doesn't want to take a timeout to think about it.
Yes NIL can get the players on campus, but they still need to be coached up.
We're not going to out recruit the majority of the SEC - we don't have the name or recruiting base - and we are not going to outspend many either, everyone in the SEC has money and great facilities and it's only going to get harder with OU and teasip coming into the SEC in football.
there is only so much NIL available per school - we also have basketball and baseball to consider.
really - it all cancels out (nil, facilites, blah blah) doesn't it and come down to coaching - evaluating and then coaching players. Muss and DVH prove this and that's why they win here on lowly Arkansas. Pittman is not one of those coaches.
if the SEC goes to 9 games we lose a non-conferce game and 7 win season (depending on the SEC schedule) could be hard to come by moving forward.
This is true. If all the games this year had been decided on talent alone we would be probably 5-3 now. We have equal or better talent than BYU, Ole Miss, and Miss State among teams we've played, and Florida, Auburn, and Missouri among the remaining games. Head coaching has been the difference between 5-3 or better and 2-6.
Despite what I said above, it's hard for a coach to bitch about NIL when he isn't coming close to maximizing the talent he already has on his roster.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 29, 2023, 12:51 PMThis is true. If all the games this year had been decided on talent alone we would be probably 5-3 now. We have equal or better talent than BYU, Ole Miss, and Miss State among teams we've played, and Florida, Auburn, and Missouri among the remaining games. Head coaching has been the difference between 5-3 or better and 2-6.
Despite what I said above, it's hard for a coach to bitch about NIL when he isn't coming close to maximizing the talent he already has on his roster.
Correct. We have to separate the now from the later. Sam has the players he has for this season. A veteran good qb. Talent that is competitive. Bad coaching has been the factor that has killed this season. Enos with a bad scheme for his talent, blind arrogance, and awful playcalling. Sam with his general lack of organization, poor game decisions, lack of involvement and tying a general philosophy together, terrible position coaching in Oline, qb room, and o line.
HY needs to "retire" Sam. Another year sets us back another 3. The new coach will need big $, and boosters will need to deliver big NIL $.
Sam needs to keep doing what he does and obviously cause losses. If the team somehow stumbles into some wins a lot of the fan base and media will push to keep him.
What would our NIL situation look like if we were winning and had that kind of 2010-2011 excitement around the program.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 04, 2023, 10:43 AMWhat would our NIL situation look like if we were winning and had that kind of 2010-2011 excitement around the program.
Considering those years were directly responsible for all the facilities upgrades, I'll say it would be pretty damned good.
courtney crutchfeild decommits.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2023, 12:03 PMcourtney crutchfeild decommits.
Can't blame him.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 04, 2023, 12:09 PMMIZ...
lsu. it was down to us and them when he committed. same with the 4* dlineman who will probably join him.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2023, 12:03 PMcourtney crutchfeild decommits.
This is where we're going to start taking it in the shorts in recruiting.
Kids either see the writing on the wall with Pittman or don't want to come play for a lame duck coach.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2023, 12:12 PMlsu. it was down to us and them when he committed. same with the 4* dlineman who will probably join him.
Figured he'd follow his fellow Zebra up there. Oh well, glad Pine Bluff is putting out talent again.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 04, 2023, 12:17 PMThis is where we're going to start taking it in the shorts in recruiting.
Kids either see the writing on the wall with Pittman or don't want to come play for a lame duck coach.
Or just a shitty team.
Crutchfield reopening recruiting.
QuoteArkansas lost its top commitment for the Class of 2024 just minutes before kickoff at Florida on Saturday when four-star wide receiver Courtney Crutchfield announced he was reopening his recruitment. Crutchfield, the nation's No. 56 overall prospect and the state's top player in this year's cycle, initially committed to the Razorbacks on April 21.
No matter how OT goes, we're going to give Sam another year just because we're Arkansas and at worst we kept it close on the road.
Did he recommit after the game?
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 04, 2023, 01:55 PMCrutchfield reopening recruiting.
He says he felt "rushed" into his verbal with Sam. That shouldn't even count as a commitment. He's probably getting a ton of letters and calls. The steady chick doesn't look as good when all the hot girls start calling. Especially when the steady chick loses like a mother and may not be there next season.
unless pittman loses to fiu or chooses to retire, he's here next season.
Getting rid of Enos may ultimately be enough to calm the waters and make us look reasonably competitive down the stretch and that may be enough for prospects to hang in there. I don't think anyone sees Pittman being here another 4 years regardless of record...dude just looks like he's ready to sit on a boat dock and drink beer.
Quote from: animal on Nov 04, 2023, 05:18 PMGetting rid of Enos may ultimately be enough to calm the waters and make us look reasonably competitive down the stretch and that may be enough for prospects to hang in there. I don't think anyone sees Pittman being here another 4 years regardless of record...dude just looks like he's ready to sit on a boat dock and drink beer.
Shit. Who isn't?
Sam deserves 5 years. He's won a couple bowl games. Doesn't have an overall losing record.
Someone said he's Mike Anderson. Decent coach but after Chad and Hellfrey we bottomed out and just wanted someone to make us not a laughingstock. Sam and Mike did that.
We've been competitive all year. Losing yes, but not anywhere near getting blown out.
Saban said it and others too. We're a good team. Just not winning or getting over the hump. I agree that's not good but firing a guy who had us competitive until the end at Bama, Ole Miss and LSU doesn't make sense for us right now.
He doesn't deserve 10 years like Mike but at least next year.
Quote from: red death on Nov 04, 2023, 05:30 PMSam deserves 5 years. He's won a couple bowl games. Doesn't have an overall losing record.
Someone said he's Mike Anderson. Decent coach but after Chad and Hellfrey we bottomed out and just wanted someone to make us not a laughingstock. Sam and Mike did that.
We've been competitive all year. Losing yes, but not anywhere near getting blown out.
Saban said it and others too. We're a good team. Just not winning or getting over the hump. I agree that's not good but firing a guy who had us competitive until the end at Bama, Ole Miss and LSU doesn't make sense for us right now.
He doesn't deserve 10 years like Mike but at least next year.
Let's give him a two year pass while we're at it like we did Nutt in 2004.
Who gives a shit if we were competitive, when we lose games we shouldn't. This good old boy bullshit is not get good recruits in.
Sam is in over his head and is not going to fair well in rebuilding next year.
Quote from: red death on Nov 04, 2023, 05:30 PMSam deserves 5 years. He's won a couple bowl games. Doesn't have an overall losing record.
Someone said he's Mike Anderson. Decent coach but after Chad and Hellfrey we bottomed out and just wanted someone to make us not a laughingstock. Sam and Mike did that.
We've been competitive all year. Losing yes, but not anywhere near getting blown out.
Saban said it and others too. We're a good team. Just not winning or getting over the hump. I agree that's not good but firing a guy who had us competitive until the end at Bama, Ole Miss and LSU doesn't make sense for us right now.
He doesn't deserve 10 years like Mike but at least next year.
It was nice to get a W in the Swamp today, but I'm not at all ready to declare all is well with Pittman or concede next year to him.
He's been an absolute train wreck this season. He's still making in-game mistakes, still playing and sitting the wrong players (where the hell was McGlothern for a month?), and our offensive success today actually sort of pissed me off because it confirms that Pittman unnecessarily flushed an entire season with a lazy hire in Enos and allowing him to overhaul our scheme.
it doesn't matter what any of us think. he will not go 0-8 in the conference and unless he loses to the 110th ranked team in a couple of weeks, he will not be fired.
the guys with the money will hold their nose for a 4-8 season before they fork over $16 million for the buyout and however many millions more it will cost for a new hc and staff.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 04, 2023, 06:45 PMIt was nice to get a W in the Swamp today, but I'm not at all ready to declare all is well with Pittman or concede next year to him.
He's been an absolute train wreck this season. He's still making in-game mistakes, still playing and sitting the wrong players (where the hell was McGlothern for a month?), and our offensive success today actually sort of pissed me off because it confirms that Pittman unnecessarily flushed an entire season with a lazy hire in Enos and allowing him to overhaul our scheme.
The cornerback has been hurt there ace
Does his contact automatically extend a year and does he also have an automatic raise?
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2023, 07:02 PMit doesn't matter what any of us think. he will not go 0-8 in the conference and unless he loses to the 110th ranked team in a couple of weeks, he will not be fired.
the guys with the money will hold their nose for a 4-8 season before they fork over $16 million for the buyout and however many millions more it will cost for a new hc and staff.
Yeah, he's back if he wants to be.
Quote from: Pighair on Nov 04, 2023, 07:13 PMDoes his contact automatically extend a year and does he also have an automatic raise?
i believe he had a one time deal if he won 7 games during the remaining contract.
he got a sixth year with the liberty bowl victory.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2023, 04:46 PMunless pittman loses to fiu or chooses to retire, he's here next season.
I need to clean my glasses. I read that as "loses to flu" and thought, "Shit that's dark."
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 04, 2023, 07:37 PMYeah, he's back if he wants to be.
I agree. The announcers on today's game said that Sam said the remaining games were an interview of Guiton to see whether he would hire him for the job full time. Hard to tell if that was announcer BS, but if true it doesn't sound like a man planning to retire next year. Today's game likely got Sam off the hot, hot seat with the powers that be. If he was ever on it.
Quote from: red death on Nov 04, 2023, 05:30 PMSam deserves 5 years. He's won a couple bowl games. Doesn't have an overall losing record.
Someone said he's Mike Anderson. Decent coach but after Chad and Hellfrey we bottomed out and just wanted someone to make us not a laughingstock. Sam and Mike did that.
We've been competitive all year. Losing yes, but not anywhere near getting blown out.
Saban said it and others too. We're a good team. Just not winning or getting over the hump. I agree that's not good but firing a guy who had us competitive until the end at Bama, Ole Miss and LSU doesn't make sense for us right now.
He doesn't deserve 10 years like Mike but at least next year.
God you're a weeping gash. No.
The fact that he bumblefucked his way to a win against one of the worst Florida teams in history is not worth a baker's fuck to redemption.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 04, 2023, 10:46 PMGod you're a weeping gash. No.
The fact that he bumblefucked his way to a win against one of the worst Florida teams in history is not worth a baker's fuck to redemption.
I guess you can't read.
I never said it did nor anything of the sort. Let me help you out:
I said, because he's been competitive all year and has won a couple bowl games, he deserves next year.
That is called an opinion. Like yours, mine doesn't mean shit. But whether or not you weep and gnash your teeth, Sam will be here next year.
I promise, you agreeing with me or not makes no difference to anything.
Nor does you thinking Sam redeemed himself or even needs redemption mean anything.
Quote from: red death on Nov 05, 2023, 12:29 PMI guess you can't read.
I never said it did nor anything of the sort. Let me help you out:
I said, because he's been competitive all year and has won a couple bowl games, he deserves next year.
That is called an opinion. Like yours, mine doesn't mean shit. But whether or not you weep and gnash your teeth, Sam will be here next year.
I promise, you agreeing with me or not makes no difference to anything.
Nor does you thinking Sam redeemed himself or even needs redemption mean anything.
I pretty much agree with this.
And I certainly agree with the premise that Sam will be here next year.
Quote from: red death on Nov 05, 2023, 12:29 PMI guess you can't read.
I never said it did nor anything of the sort. Let me help you out:
I said, because he's been competitive all year and has won a couple bowl games, he deserves next year.
That is called an opinion. Like yours, mine doesn't mean shit. But whether or not you weep and gnash your teeth, Sam will be here next year.
I promise, you agreeing with me or not makes no difference to anything.
Nor does you thinking Sam redeemed himself or even needs redemption mean anything.
Were you saying this before the win yesterday?
Yes, we were "competitive" in a four point loss at home to Mississippi State.
The A&M game didn't feel very competitive to me. So great we're stuck with a mediocre coach who hit his ceiling in his second season as a head coach. Sweet.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 06, 2023, 07:43 AMThe A&M game didn't feel very competitive to me. So great we're stuck with a mediocre coach who hit his ceiling in his second season as a head coach. Sweet.
We really hung with them in the 3rd quarter
Breaking news: Sam still sucks and needs to be fired
It looks like there's dozens of people left in the stands behind Freeze. That's the visitor section isn't it.
Looking at the Big 10 scores today, isn't it about time we complete that trade with Wisconsin with the Fatass to be Named Later?
We need to quit hiring old MFers close to retirement and get a young guy who will keep up with the football trends and give us something new. The game has passed Tittman by.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 11, 2023, 06:24 PMWe need to quit hiring old MFers close to retirement and get a young guy who will keep up with the football trends and give us something new. The game has passed Tittman by.
They need to quit hiring coaches that suck.
there was a window of opportunity and we blew it with bad hires (a head coach with ZERO power five wins then a guy who has only been a position coach), but that's what we do in football because we have no idea what it takes in the SEC or in the modern game today because we still think what worked in the 60s with JFB will still work today.
money isn't the only answer either.
https://x.com/RedditCFB/status/1723496787003183216?s=20
stupid take on Reddit, even losing spending hand over fist means money really is driving everything, they still can't keep up. You have to spend the money WISELY.
Could we just try hiring a guy who is within a zip code of his playing days' waist size?
And not an Aggie?
Please? I don't ask for much.
I don't care if they trot Rocky Dennis out there to coach.
Just win.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 05, 2023, 08:15 PMI pretty much agree with this.
And I certainly agree with the premise that Sam will be here next year.
Asking for a friend...do you still think this after tonight??
I did until an hour or so ago...
did anyone really think a career position coach with zero head coaching experience was going to be able to go head to head with Saban, Kirby and the rest of the SEC?
that's like hiring a tv analyst to be your head coach, oh wait..........
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Nov 11, 2023, 07:58 PMAsking for a friend...do you still think this after tonight??
I did until an hour or so ago...
Do tell.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 11, 2023, 08:07 PMdid anyone really think a career position coach with zero head coaching experience was going to be able to go head to head with Saban, Kirby and the rest of the SEC?
that's like hiring a tv analyst to be your head coach, oh wait..........
I said it was dumb at the time, then drank the KoolAid like everyone else when it appeared to work.
Colin Cowherd always says career assistants are career assistants for a reason.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 11, 2023, 08:07 PMdid anyone really think a career position coach with zero head coaching experience was going to be able to go head to head with Saban, Kirby and the rest of the SEC?
that's like hiring a tv analyst to be your head coach, oh wait..........
I mean, I don't think fans at this point are even expecting a HC who can beat Saban or Kirby. I think most are satisfied with simple competence. Demanding competence isn't asking too much.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 11, 2023, 08:07 PMdid anyone really think a career position coach with zero head coaching experience was going to be able to go head to head with Saban, Kirby and the rest of the SEC?
that's like hiring a tv analyst to be your head coach, oh wait..........
It's like trying to win the Indy 500 riding a llama.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 11, 2023, 08:44 PMIt's like trying to win the Indy 500 riding a llama.
:maundoed: :this_is_woopig:
Fuck the B1G! Come on down Coach Harbaw!!!
Quote from: Zoso on Nov 11, 2023, 09:27 PMFuck the B1G! Come on down Coach Harbaw!!!
As long as he didn't commit adultery, he is good to go.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 11, 2023, 09:37 PMAs long as he didn't commit adultery, he is good to go.
We also need a cornrow background check.
Writing love letters to the AD is encouraged. Being an Aggie with minimal G5 success who works 90% remotely is preferred.
The job description practically writes itself.
re Hunter Yurachek's hiring ability, I'll take solace in the fact that he all but had Lane brought here, but told him no when he asked for us to match Ole Miss' late counter offer. Lane basically said yes and then did the Lane thing.
Lane is the type of coach we need to be going after, other than his being a flake of a person.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 11, 2023, 08:07 PMdid anyone really think a career position coach with zero head coaching experience was going to be able to go head to head with Saban, Kirby and the rest of the SEC?
that's like hiring a tv analyst to be your head coach, oh wait..........
I was extremely skeptical, but at the same time, hopeful. Mostly because I had heard that he was some kind of elite recruiter and he'd be able to bring in all kinds of crazy ass talent. Also, I remember thinking to myself, "well, one things for sure. We'll never have to worry about having good o-line play."
Whoops.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 11, 2023, 09:48 PMWe also need a cornrow background check.
Writing love letters to the AD is encouraged. Being an Aggie with minimal G5 success who works 90% remotely is preferred.
The job description practically writes itself.
Ability to count to two chinstraps
"Look at this helmet. Do you love it?"
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 12, 2023, 07:49 AMre Hunter Yurachek's hiring ability, I'll take solace in the fact that he all but had Lane brought here, but told him no when he asked for us to match Ole Miss' late counter offer. Lane basically said yes and then did the Lane thing.
Lane is the type of coach we need to be going after, other than his being a flake of a person.
Yeah, we haven't been able to lose to Georgia by five touchdowns often enough as it is.
Seriously, the UA has to hire a football-minded coach first instead of a "good for the university" coach. Petrino showed it could be done at a time the SEC West was the toughest in the nation with 1, 2, and 3 being from the west. That's really quite an accomplishment. Had LSU and Bama been just a little weaker we might have played for the SEC title and National Championship.
Pittman was refreshing at the time for his bringing some measure of professionalism to the sidelines but after the exit of Odom and Briles we see a self admitted over his head career assistant coach take a bunch of kids and turn them into Sun Belt quality players.
No excuse to not part ways after A&M being willing to be on the hook for 75 mil.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 07:53 AMI was extremely skeptical, but at the same time, hopeful. Mostly because I had heard that he was some kind of elite recruiter and he'd be able to bring in all kinds of crazy ass talent. Also, I remember thinking to myself, "well, one things for sure. We'll never have to worry about having good o-line play."
Whoops.
This is pretty much exactly what I thought. You can win a lot of football games with a great O line. That's now become exhibit A on why he need to go.
Buddy just sent me a screenshot from Hawgsports that says Pittman is definitely out and Gus is likely in. I'm done forever if and when we hire that cheating piece of no good shit.
I just figured out how to attach shit from my phone.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 11:11 AMBuddy just sent me a screenshot from Hawgsports that says Pittman is definitely out and Gus is likely in. I'm done forever if and when we hire that cheating piece of no good shit.
You need a new buddy.
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/
yeah, that looks like a reliable source. probably best to stay away from twitterx for a bit.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 11:11 AMBuddy just sent me a screenshot from Hawgsports that says Pittman is definitely out and Gus is likely in. I'm done forever if and when we hire that cheating piece of no good shit.
If Gus is in I am done. Done. Basketball and Baseball. Done
Malzahn ain't coming here.
Put me in the camp of being done with Arkansas football if we hire that chump
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 11:14 AMyeah, that looks like a reliable source. probably best to stay away from twitterx for a bit.
Stretch out with your feelings. You know it's true.
Meanwhile the usual dipshits want to remind everyone that we kick ass in tennis or volleyball. We are SEC royalty.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 11:28 AMStretch out with your feelings. You know it's true.
don't deny me my denial!!
Y'all will be like the celebrities that were moving to Canada if Trump won. You ain't going nowhere so stop lying to yourself.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Nov 12, 2023, 11:30 AMY'all will be like the celebrities that were moving to Canada if Trump won. You ain't going nowhere so stop lying to yourself.
Correct. Malzahn wouldn't be in my top 3 choices but we could sure as fuck do worse just like we have for the last 10 years. That said, he ain't coming here. It's the same song and dance every time we do this.
No idea what Malzahan's retirement plans are, but he's only 3 years younger than Pittman and he's already in Florida with a lot less stress than Arkansas.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Nov 12, 2023, 11:30 AMY'all will be like the celebrities that were moving to Canada if Trump won. You ain't going nowhere so stop lying to yourself.
You'd have been correct 10 years ago, but you couldn't be more wrong today. I'm already almost completely apathetic about college football. We hire that piece of shit and I'll forget we even have a team. I know that it could make a shit less what I think about anything that happens on the hill, but that's where I am.
Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 12, 2023, 12:29 PMYou'd have been correct 10 years ago, but you couldn't be more wrong today. I'm already almost completely apathetic about college football. We hire that piece of shit and I'll forget we even have a team. I know that it could make a shit less what I think about anything that happens on the hill, but that's where I am.
Yep. If Gus is the choice I'm out. Letting boosters pick the coach is how we ended up here. Poor Sam couldn't pick up the pieces.
Got to think HY knows hiring Gus will split the fanbase day one. I don't get the sense he will be influenced by the outside.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 12, 2023, 12:54 PMGot to think HY knows hiring Gus will split the fanbase day one. I don't get the sense he will be influenced by the outside.
it will cost the booster(s) some pretty large coin to can pittman and pick up the yearly tab on his buyout, hire a new one and pay that guy's buyout.
muss wants bwa renovated and they are passing the plate for that. throw in talks of the softball and volleyball facilities getting upgrades and there's some decisions that have to be made.
in a perfect world yuracheck makes this hire but that will require people spending a lot of their money and having no say in what the result will be.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 01:00 PMit will cost the booster(s) some pretty large coin to can pittman and pick up the yearly tab on his buyout, hire a new one and pay that guy's buyout.
muss wants bwa renovated and they are passing the plate for that. throw in talks of the softball and volleyball facilities getting upgrades and there's some decisions that have to be made.
in a perfect world yuracheck makes this hire but that will require people spending a lot of their money and having no say in what the result will be.
The fact that decisions involving basketball, softball, and volleyball have influence on hiring a football coach should tell you all you need to know about Arkansas football.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 01:00 PMit will cost the booster(s) some pretty large coin to can pittman and pick up the yearly tab on his buyout, hire a new one and pay that guy's buyout.
muss wants bwa renovated and they are passing the plate for that. throw in talks of the softball and volleyball facilities getting upgrades and there's some decisions that have to be made.
in a perfect world yuracheck makes this hire but that will require people spending a lot of their money and having no say in what the result will be.
this. as vegashog notes below - we don't have the money everyone thinks we do.
we'll end up playing footsie with Gus and he'll string us along like always into another new deal and then we'll ask him who to hire (why?) and end up with Rhett Lashlee cause he wins at SMU!! which meets the texas and dallas obsession our money people have.
meanwhile a guy who has won and beaten P5 teams (including us) at two lesser schools - Jamey Chadwell won't even get a call cause he had a mullett when he was at Coastal.
we all see the potential for our program but everyone else sees the reality of what it is right now - average at best with a ceiling of 8-9 wins - and both are right.
"To me, losing football games is being terminated with cause. The protection sometimes that coaches are provided within their contracts to me is ludicrous. I want to be a leader in this industry in how we write our coaches contracts moving forward so that there's not 100 percent guaranteed protection for their contracts."
- Hunter Yurachek Dec 7, 2017https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/dec/07/yurachek-wants-to-rein-in-coaches-buyou/
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 12, 2023, 01:09 PMThe fact that decisions involving basketball, softball, and volleyball have influence on hiring a football coach should tell you all you need to know about Arkansas football.
no it tells you that the school doesn't have the financial support a lot of fans think it has because of the last names of some of the alumni.
i wasn't saying the possible coaching search would be influenced by the softball or volleyball programs. and it's stupid to think that basketball hasn't become every bit as big of a priority at arkansas. and rightly so imo.
Don't we make a bazillion dollars a year via the SEC media rights? Where's that money going if not to pay for renovations and upgrades?
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 12, 2023, 01:26 PMDon't we make a bazillion dollars a year via the SEC media rights? Where's that money going if not to pay for renovations and upgrades?
Into the Integrity Promotion Fund?
even with the tv money, arkansas ranked 9th last year in revenue.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 12, 2023, 01:27 PMInto the Integrity Promotion Fund?
Don't forget the annual eight-figure commitment to The Human Fund.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 12, 2023, 12:54 PMGot to think HY knows hiring Gus will split the fanbase day one. I don't get the sense he will be influenced by the outside.
It depends on the money people.
If some boosters get together and fork over a bunch of money for Pittman's buyout and the new guy but it's contingent on hiring Gus, then Yurachek might have his hand somewhat forced.
(Not that I want that, just caveating it)
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 12, 2023, 01:11 PM"To me, losing football games is being terminated with cause. The protection sometimes that coaches are provided within their contracts to me is ludicrous. I want to be a leader in this industry in how we write our coaches contracts moving forward so that there's not 100 percent guaranteed protection for their contracts."
- Hunter Yurachek Dec 7, 2017
https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/dec/07/yurachek-wants-to-rein-in-coaches-buyou/
Nothing but bullshit empty talk pandering.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 12, 2023, 02:20 PMNothing but bullshit empty talk pandering.
He talked a lot about the high price of coach's contracts, but the only thing he actually did was pass on Lane when Ole Miss matched our offer.
MAYBE he'll negotiate a reduced buyout of Sam's contract, but if not, then his bluster did nothing to help the university.
I think what most everyone is trying to say is you can't shine up a turd and call it a Snickers.
so, still nothing from the school?
unless pittman goes on his presser tomorrow and announces he's stepping down, this is all wannbe bullshite.
i do think he's gone after the year, but if everyone including the players know it, then all we have to look forward to is two more weeks of quit.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 01:32 PMeven with the tv money, arkansas ranked 9th last year in revenue.
Jfb told us that. 9th in potenshul!
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 12, 2023, 02:54 PMJfb told us that. 9th in potenshul!
Yep, and that was before aTm, Mizzou, Texas and Oklahoma joined the conference. That puts us at around 13th.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 12, 2023, 03:15 PMYep, and that was before aTm, Mizzou, Texas and Oklahoma joined the conference. That puts us at around 13th.
Which puts us 21st in the country.
Not all bad.
Quote from: red death on Nov 12, 2023, 03:51 PMWhich puts us 21st in the country.
Not all bad.
And first in the state of Arkansas!!
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 12, 2023, 03:15 PMYep, and that was before aTm, Mizzou, Texas and Oklahoma joined the conference. That puts us at around 13th.
We pine for the 2-3 years of Petrino. Mississippi State pines for the 2-3 years of Prescott. Neither Bobby nor Dak are walking through those doors, and the epic battle you saw in Fayetteville this year is about par for the course for those 2 programs.
We're on a football tier with MSU, SC, and Kentucky. Ole Miss a slight tick above and Vandy bringing up the rear. It is what it is.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 12, 2023, 04:22 PMWe pine for the 2-3 years of Petrino. Mississippi State pines for the 2-3 years of Prescott. Neither Bobby nor Dak are walking through those doors, and the epic battle you saw in Fayetteville this year is about par for the course for those 2 programs.
We're on a football tier with MSU, SC, and Kentucky. Ole Miss a slight tick above and Vandy bringing up the rear. It is what it is.
We'd lose to all 3 (State, SC, and Kentucky) this season.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 12, 2023, 04:22 PMWe pine for the 2-3 years of Petrino. Mississippi State pines for the 2-3 years of Prescott. Neither Bobby nor Dak are walking through those doors, and the epic battle you saw in Fayetteville this year is about par for the course for those 2 programs.
We're on a football tier with MSU, SC, and Kentucky. Ole Miss a slight tick above and Vandy bringing up the rear. It is what it is.
Ole Miss is only above because they have a better coach.
They were beneath us when we had equal or better quality coaches, basically from integration to 2011. The right hire (or Kiffin ditching them for Aggy, which brings on a whole 'nuther set of problems for us) and we will be equal to or slightly above them yet again.
It seems the elephant will remain in the room for another week at least
https://x.com/TyeSportsRadio/status/1723842154030641409?s=20
yep, the clown show that's arkansas media has backtracked.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 12, 2023, 06:29 PMyep, the clown show that's arkansas media has backtracked.
He was right but things change.
Otis says he's been told a decision has been made but there is no timetable. Of course, he won't say what he was told the decision is, so this is all open-ended bullshit for our vaunted Arkansas sports media to say they were right no matter what happens.
And the dipshits on nobville suck it down.
it's going to be one hell of an awkward presser tomorrow.
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Nov 11, 2023, 07:58 PMAsking for a friend...do you still think this after tonight??
I did until an hour or so ago...
Been at deer camp and haven't had much access to info. Obviously yesterday's performance really hurt his position but not sure how bad yet.
I can't imagine all the great questions to be asked at the presser.
"So coach, Jimbo Fisher got $76 million. What's the first thing you'd buy if you had $76 million dollars?"
"What's your wife cooking for Thanksgiving? Do yall call it dressing or stuffing?"
"Did you see that new strawberry Dr Pepper yet? I thought it was good."
I will say my most immediate response is I haven't seen anything from Yurachek. No statement, not even much in the way of comments. I find that odd if they are going to keep Sam. And maybe I have just missed something.
I have a source that said it's been a long time since Otis has had any pussy.
I will not be retracting this information.
What color tie did Gruden wear today?
My phone is blowing up with messages saying he will resign tomorrow. No idea if true.
Scoota spittin facts
https://x.com/Scoooota8/status/1723917468572450891?s=20
Well, hunter has gone all in on Sam.
https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1726276262023582063?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2023, 10:36 AMWell, hunter has gone all in on Sam.
https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1726276262023582063?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
This is being widely reported, but I haven't seen an actual comment from Yurachek yet.
Why issue a statement when the media report it nationally? Ifan AD issued a statement on every rumor/repo they would do nothing but issue statements.
Only issue a statement if there is a change.
My guess is hunter could not raise the money to pay for his ill-fated extension or he is too buddy buddy with Sam otherwise what have we seen on the field is season justifying this decision after 4 years?
Blah blah recruiting, NIL excuses. This is Morris level coaching that can not be overcome.
https://x.com/alexs_espn/status/1726277267675087029?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
if there's not going to be a change, not sure there's anything to comment about.
I can't believe Pittman comes back if Mizzou blows us out.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 19, 2023, 11:06 AMI can't believe Pittman comes back if Mizzou blows us out.
Things change, timing is everything but unlikely yet also why Hunter doesn't issue a statement because if we lose by 60 how bad would that statement look?
Could also be that if feelers were put out, there was no one interested in taking over.
I don't like or agree with him but he has point
https://x.com/danwolken/status/1726278916707618958?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2023, 11:15 AMThings change, timing is everything but unlikely yet also why Hunter doesn't issue a statement because if we lose by 60 how bad would that statement look?
Could also be that if feelers were put out, there was no one interested in taking over.
I don't like or agree with him but he has point
https://x.com/danwolken/status/1726278916707618958?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Not only is the competition much lighter, but the program hasn't completely imploded to the degree it did under Morris.
This is a good time to hire.
If Sam comes back, there are going to be a lot of empty seats and non-renewals of season tickets. We are at a tipping point of waning interest.
Lol at anyone who thinks the Missouri game is going to dictate keeping or firing Sam.
They are a top 10 program this year. A blow out will be expected at this point. Anything less than a blow out will be positive for Sam.
I think the fact Mizzou is a "top 10 program" with Drinkwitz is a massive aggravation for Arkansas fans who can't understand why with better finances, fan support, and facilities we aren't winning more than they are.
Another home blowout (after losing so ugly a really pretty shitty Auburn team)... this is going to make season ticketholders think twice about renewals.
I don't disagree at all. I'm only speaking from the standpoint of a bad loss (whatever that means) to Missouri is going to get Sam fired. HY isn't firing Sam if we get blown out by 100.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 19, 2023, 11:41 AMI don't disagree at all. I'm only speaking from the standpoint of a bad loss (whatever that means) to Missouri is going to get Sam fired. HY isn't firing Sam if we get blown out by 100.
That alone would never be the reason.
If Pittman is fired it's because of aggregate performance and more importantly, booster and ticketholder revolt.
Nothing causes this more than home blowouts, though. We've always been able to deal with Bama coming in and kicking our ass, but losing to that awful Auburn team the way we did...
Attendance is suffering, and Mizzou won't be different.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 19, 2023, 11:41 AMI don't disagree at all. I'm only speaking from the standpoint of a bad loss (whatever that means) to Missouri is going to get Sam fired. HY isn't firing Sam if we get blown out by 100.
Then someone should fire HY.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2023, 10:44 AMWhy issue a statement when the media report it nationally? Ifan AD issued a statement on every rumor/repo they would do nothing but issue statements.
Only issue a statement if there is a change.
My guess is hunter could not raise the money to pay for his ill-fated extension or he is too buddy buddy with Sam otherwise what have we seen on the field is season justifying this decision after 4 years?
By keeping Sam HY has guaranteed that there will at least be a $2000 reduction in ticket sales and concession revenue. I can't imagine I'm the only one thinking that way.
Blah blah recruiting, NIL excuses. This is Morris level coaching that can not be overcome.
https://x.com/alexs_espn/status/1726277267675087029?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
We are getting a major bump in TV revenue next year. I've seen anywhere between $20MM and $70MM thrown out. That's over and above what we are already getting. There is more than enough room for $3MM-$4MM per year for 4-5 years to cover Sam's buyout in the operating budget.
If Hunter is telling people we can't afford it, he is lying to cover his ass for not wanting to fire Sam.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 19, 2023, 11:58 AMThen someone should fire HY.
It was the Chancellor, you know Hunter's boss, that made the final decision. Hunter tried but the Chancellor didn't want to have to pay for a buy out.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 19, 2023, 12:08 PMWe are getting a major bump in TV revenue next year. I've seen anywhere between $20MM and $70MM thrown out. That's over and above what we are already getting. There is more than enough room for $3MM-$4MM per year for 4-5 years to cover Sam's buyout in the operating budget.
If Hunter is telling people we can't afford it, he is lying to cover his ass for not wanting to fire Sam.
If we can't afford the buyout of a guy that we are the only team in American that would've hired and has had only modest success, that rests at the feet of the AD. That's a tremendous mistake.
In reality if you look at our budget this buyout should be trivial.
There's also "opportunity cost". I have no doubt donations and season ticket sales (as well as merchandise and concessions) are going to fall in 2024 if he's retained.
Mizzou is crushing us in NIL.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 19, 2023, 12:08 PMWe are getting a major bump in TV revenue next year. I've seen anywhere between $20MM and $70MM thrown out. That's over and above what we are already getting. There is more than enough room for $3MM-$4MM per year for 4-5 years to cover Sam's buyout in the operating budget.
If Hunter is telling people we can't afford it, he is lying to cover his ass for not wanting to fire Sam.
well, are we still paying off the debt service on the north end zone project, the BKB practice facility, the add-ons at track and baseball(?) plus all the salaries and budget and who knows what other projects we're paying off. Is Morris off the books yet?
you also assume they haven't already spent that money, which is quite likely and with the pending BWA renovations also coming will cost $$.
they way the RF keeps sending out emails with purchase opportunities seems like the money isn't coming in like it used to because NIL is changing the donation game.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Nov 19, 2023, 12:10 PMIt was the Chancellor, you know Hunter's boss, that made the final decision. Hunter tried but the Chancellor didn't want to have to pay for a buy out.
that makes no sense as it's not universtiy funds paying for it - it's the foundation.
Big Question - What staff changes were promised in that meeting that bought him another year? Did that include Kennedy and Fountain?
I still say we blame Varady. Just because I don't like him.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2023, 12:20 PMwell, are we still paying off the debt service on the north end zone project, the BKB practice facility, the add-ons at track and baseball(?) plus all the salaries and budget and who knows what other projects we're paying off. Is Morris off the books yet?
you also assume they haven't already spent that money, which is quite likely and with the pending BWA renovations also coming will cost $$.
that makes no sense as it's not universtiy funds paying for it - it's the foundation.
Well, I know for a fact the Chancellor nixed it.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2023, 12:20 PMwell, are we still paying off the debt service on the north end zone project, the BKB practice facility, the add-ons at track and baseball(?) plus all the salaries and budget and who knows what other projects we're paying off. Is Morris off the books yet?
you also assume they haven't already spent that money, which is quite likely and with the pending BWA renovations also coming will cost $$.
that makes no sense as it's not universtiy funds paying for it - it's the foundation.
If we could afford all those things under the current budget, we can afford them plus an extra $3MM/year with the additional revenue.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Nov 19, 2023, 12:21 PMWell, I know for a fact the Chancellor nixed it.
What's his buyout?
It makes sense. There have been rumblings for a while that he has the same attitude towards athletics as John White.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 19, 2023, 12:14 PMIf we can't afford the buyout of a guy that we are the only team in American that would've hired and has had only modest success, that rests at the feet of the AD. That's a tremendous mistake.
the ad can only spend the money the administration tells him he can.
acting like yurachek has carte blanch with the checkbook is silly.
How in the fuck are we so broke? If only those pussy Walton heirs were into contact sports.
Quote from: woodhog14 on Nov 19, 2023, 12:10 PMIt was the Chancellor, you know Hunter's boss, that made the final decision. Hunter tried but the Chancellor didn't want to have to pay for a buy out.
Oh bullshit. If Yurachek can't make the call on coach of his football team, maybe he should start looking at going to a school that respects his opinion.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 19, 2023, 12:23 PMthe ad can only spend the money the administration tells him he can.
acting like yurachek has carte blanch with the checkbook is silly.
It's not silly to think the chief executive in a self-sustaining department should be able to control the budget of that department. If he doesn't have that authority he should. And if his boss doesn't trust him with that authority then that person needs to put someone in the AD position that he does trust.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 19, 2023, 12:23 PMHow in the fuck are we so broke? If only those pussy Walton heirs were into contact sports.
We aren't.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 19, 2023, 12:27 PMIt's not silly to think the chief executive in a self-sustaining department should be able to control the budget of that department. If he doesn't have that authority he should. And if his boss doesn't trust him with that authority then that person needs to put someone in the AD position that he does trust.
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Quote from: woodhog14 on Nov 19, 2023, 12:10 PMIt was the Chancellor, you know Hunter's boss, that made the final decision. Hunter tried but the Chancellor didn't want to have to pay for a buy out.
This sounds right. Sometimes we forget that it's still a university. Teevee money is making the tail wag the dog in a lot of cases, but not this one.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 19, 2023, 12:30 PMThis sounds right. Sometimes we forget that it's still a university. Teevee money is making the tail wag the dog in a lot of cases, but not this one.
Throughout our history, when the academic side gets involved in athletics it turns out badly. The thing is, there is no benefit to the university from football being terrible. A strong athletic department and great academics are not mutually exclusive.
Robinson seems like an impressive guy. I hope he doesn't tarnish his name by trying to destroy athletics the way John White did.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 19, 2023, 12:27 PMIt's not silly to think the chief executive in a self-sustaining department should be able to control the budget of that department. If he doesn't have that authority he should. And if his boss doesn't trust him with that authority then that person needs to put someone in the AD position that he does trust.
bullshit. the athletic director at any school makes recommendations and it get approval or not.
whether it's the administration ,the bot, or whatever they call that entity, they have the final say on financials.
blaming yurachek personally for not having the cash to fire a coach is not living in the real world.
what staff changes were promised in exchange for another year?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 19, 2023, 12:42 PMwhat staff changes were promised in exchange for another year?
Managers, I bet.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 19, 2023, 12:38 PMbullshit. the athletic director at any school makes recommendations and it get approval or not.
whether it's the administration ,the bot, or whatever they call that entity, they have the final say on financials.
blaming yurachek personally for not having the cash to fire a coach is not living in the real world.
I disagree. The academic side shouldn't be able to direct athletic funds any more than the Razorback Foundation should be deciding how the College of Engineering spends its budget.
The chancellor, BoT, etc should not dictate how any department head spends their operating budget, as long as those decisions meet these conditions :
1. Doesn't embarrass the university. Losing does this, replacing, a failed coach does the opposite.
2. Doesn't put the school in legal jeopardy.
3. Doesn't require more money from general funds to be added to that budget.
Obviously the chancellor and university president have final say so. But they shouldn't be interfering in personnel matters unless one of those conditions are being breached.
If Scott fountain isn't fired straight into the sun, I'm done with this program.
here's the statement
https://x.com/ChoateMason/status/1726311859865915725?s=20
Someone please ask him what are the "goals and expectations" of our program. I'd really like to know.
Basically Pittman got a pass. Not a two year pass, ala Nutt, but this year is a pass. Pittman gets to try again with an OC hire, though he'll probably just keep what he has.
Will he fire the OL coaches? The ST coach? Probably he'll just make excuses like always.
I appreciate being told by the director of Arkansas athletics that I don't need to care about Arkansas athletics as much.
This was year two of two year pass. We'll go 1-11 next year.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 19, 2023, 12:49 PMIf Scott fountain isn't fired straight into the sun, I'm done with this program.
Don't forget Kennedy. Fire him into the sun as well.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 19, 2023, 12:49 PMIf Scott fountain isn't fired straight into the sun, I'm done with this program.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 19, 2023, 01:09 PMDon't forget Kennedy. Fire him into the sun as well.
I will gladly donate to the trebuchet fund.
I would be surprised if Fountain is let go.
I actually bet the coaching staff largely stays intact. Maybe a new OC.
It's not Sam's style...
I just don't see how this staff can win with the talent we have coming back.
I've got one name for you. A name to excite the fanbase, rally us around a new exciting offense for the future and make everyone forget about this year. I give you...Dowell Loggains.
You know down in the deep down recesses of your shriveled little hearts that Kennedy is staying, Fountain is staying, and Dowell is coming home where he hopes a good year puts him in the catbird's seat for taking over for Sam after his retirement at the end of next year or the next.
Arkansas needs a blood rival.
Why do you think Auburn is willing to spend untolds amount of money on buyout after buyout? Because they are desperate to show up Bama.
We need a team we play every year that we hate so much it hurts, and we need rich people who hate them just as much. Until we get that, our boosters will continue to be people willing to pay enough to get their names on a building and no more
They knew they had to make the announcement now before Drink puts up 70 on us and then dances around like some sort of Kansas City faggot talking shit about it.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 19, 2023, 01:39 PMThey knew they had to make the announcement now before Drink puts up 70 on us and then dances around like some sort of Kansas City faggot talking shit about it.
It's going to be unbearable.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 19, 2023, 01:37 PMArkansas needs a blood rival.
Why do you think Auburn is willing to spend untolds amount of money on buyout after buyout? Because they are desperate to show up Bama.
We need a team we play every year that we hate so much it hurts, and we need rich people who hate them just as much. Until we get that, our boosters will continue to be people willing to pay enough to get their names on a building and no more
Maybe like Texass?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 19, 2023, 11:34 AMLol at anyone who thinks the Missouri game is going to dictate keeping or firing Sam.
They are a top 10 program this year. A blow out will be expected at this point. Anything less than a blow out will be positive for Sam.
Let's suppose we win...you'll have the AD bumping his gums loud and clear in the open about how Sam is gonna turn it around next year. I highly doubt you'll hear much officially from Hunter until the season is over though. This all assumes the money bags have said NOPE on removing Sam which appears to be the groupthink narrative.
If/when we lose it'll just go down as a "Yeah they're really good" gee wiz can't really blame Sam for that. It's just extra salt in the wound that Missouri hired at the same time and is stink holing us on the reg.
The most practical thing here seems to be exactly what's going to happen. Sam will not "fall on his sword"
like he said he would because there's too much incentive to make them make that decision for you. That doesn't mean we can't get better for next season. If I'm Sam I'm going to whoever is forking over the cash and flat out telling them if you keep me on then get out your fucking wallet so we can pay up for the best players.
Scary version...we're fixing to get our "2 year pass" because meanies on the internet, the NIL gremlins, and lack of werner ladders on the practice field.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 19, 2023, 01:39 PMThey knew they had to make the announcement now before Drink puts up 70 on us and then dances around like some sort of Kansas City faggot talking shit about it.
:maundoed:
Worst Line in the SEC
Worst Running Backs in the SEC
Worst QB in the SEC
LET'S GIVE EM ANOTHER YEAR!
This team has been on a downward trajectory since the fAggy loss last season. It has flat out quit, multiple times this year. Once you've lost the room, there ain't no coming back. Football sure will be fun again, in a half empty stadium, next season.
Quote from: Pumpkin Escobar on Nov 19, 2023, 02:45 PMThis team has been on a downward trajectory since the fAggy loss last season. It has flat out quit, multiple times this year. Once you've lost the room, there ain't no coming back. Football sure will be fun again, in a half empty stadium, next season.
Yeah, that's where we are. Once they quit, a coach can't get them back. They don't fear him.
Mizzou is going to make Hunter look like an idiot this Friday. I'll be shocked if they don't score at least 50.
I see Pittman and then just about every other coach in the SEC and I see a difference.
I like Pittman. He's not the guy. We're not a serious football program.
At least announcing it now should stop the bleeding on the recruiting front.
I will say I respect him less for being so thin skinned to criticism.
It comes with the position hence the salary. No head coach at this level is treated or expected any less.
Is this a matter of Champaign taste on a Natty Light budget? Clearly there are schools in this conference willing and/or capable of winning the "arms race" and we aint one of them.
Jesus people. It's like no one listens to me at all. I've said for weeks that Sam isn't getting fired, unless he loses out. Since then, he's won TWO games. Two not one. Making it twice as unlikely that he's going to get fired.
The loss to Auburn was so awful, so putrid, that it did change the calculus a little bit. So then, Hunter waited until after Florida International. If he lost that game and Missouri, I bet he'd be fired. He won the game. Announcement immediately made. A reverse Bielema. The path corresponds exactly to how I analyzed this weeks ago.
If the alternative was the boosters getting to pick their guy if they paid the buyout, I'm fine with Yurachek not caving in to those demands. Those idiots chose Chad last time they had control. They'd have made another offer to Malzahn.
Pittman still ain't the guy, but Malzahn gets in and he'd be impossible to fire.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 19, 2023, 04:20 PMIf the alternative was the boosters getting to pick their guy if they paid the buyout, I'm fine with Yurachek not caving in to those demands. Those idiots chose Chad last time they had control. They'd have made another offer to Malzahn.
Pittman still ain't the guy, but Malzahn gets in and he'd be impossible to fire.
No argument there. Too bad none of our boosters have a boner for a good coach with no ties to Arkansas.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 19, 2023, 04:26 PMNo argument there. Too bad none of our boosters have a boner for a good coach with no ties to Arkansas.
Which is crazy considering how many there are
Our football program is controlled by rich people that dont have enough money to purchase and ruin their own professional sports franchise
Quote from: razor5396 on Nov 19, 2023, 04:34 PMOur football program is controlled by rich people that dont have enough money to purchase and ruin their own professional sports franchise
What are the names of these rich people?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 19, 2023, 05:17 PMWhat are the names of these rich people?
Same ones that are perfectly fine with a coach going from 7-6 to 4-8 with no end in sight. As I said on the old board, Pittman was finished when he lost to Liberty. Now we just get to watch as the entire thing burns to the ground.
Quote from: razor5396 on Nov 19, 2023, 05:26 PMSame ones that are perfectly fine with a coach going from 7-6 to 4-8 with no end in sight. As I said on the old board, Pittman was finished when he lost to Liberty. Now we just get to watch as the entire thing burns to the ground.
Again.
Pittman just kind of stirred the ashes around and a flicker of fire sprang out... now it's just going cold. And I guess HY is content to just kick dirt on it and let it go out.
HY is a huge disappointment. These are his mistakes. The hiring, the raises.
Yurachek's biggest mistake to date was the buyout for Pittman. No reason for it and it's why we're in this situation. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the donors are telling HY the same thing.
fair question
https://x.com/FootballScoop/status/1726318405752696912?s=20
It's a damn curse to be a hog football fan
Quote from: Mopork on Nov 20, 2023, 06:44 AMIt's a damn curse to be a hog football fan
this pretty much sums it up
Quote from: Hizog on Nov 19, 2023, 06:52 PMYurachek's biggest mistake to date was the buyout for Pittman. No reason for it and it's why we're in this situation. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the donors are telling HY the same thing.
I've heard from a pretty reliable source that knows two large donors who both told HY at the time that he gave Pittman the buyout that he was jumping the gun and that if he needed to fire Pittman in a couple of years don't come asking them to write a big check. I kind of hate to share that because I'm a fan of HY and think he's done a very good job overall as athletic director. With A&M and Miss.St. both looking for coaches maybe this isn't the best time for the Hogs to be looking for a new coach anyway.
Quote from: Corn Pop on Nov 20, 2023, 08:37 AMI've heard from a pretty reliable source that knows two large donors who both told HY at the time that he gave Pittman the buyout that he was jumping the gun and that if he needed to fire Pittman in a couple of years don't come asking them to write a big check. I kind of hate to share that because I'm a fan of HY and think he's done a very good job overall as athletic director. With A&M and Miss.St. both looking for coaches maybe this isn't the best time for the Hogs to be looking for a new coach anyway.
We probably won't be hiring from the same pool as A&M. And if we're afraid of competing with Miss State, God help us...
Next year some combination of Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vandy will be open, if not all four. Not to mention that every passing year brings us closer to the inevitable retirement/death in office of Nick Saban...of course we won't be competing against Alabama, but might be going for the same guys as whichever school loses their coach to the Tide.
Like the actual stock market, trying to time the coaching market is next to impossible.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 20, 2023, 09:34 AMWe probably won't be hiring from the same pool as A&M. And if we're afraid of competing with Miss State, God help us...
Next year some combination of Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vandy will be open, if not all four. Not to mention that every passing year brings us closer to the inevitable retirement/death in office of Nick Saban...of course we won't be competing against Alabama, but might be going for the same guys as whichever school loses their coach to the Tide.
Like the actual stock market, trying to time the coaching market is next to impossible.
Talk about being stuck between Dumb (Hunter) and Dumber (Donors).
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 20, 2023, 09:34 AMWe probably won't be hiring from the same pool as A&M. And if we're afraid of competing with Miss State, God help us...
Next year some combination of Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vandy will be open, if not all four. Not to mention that every passing year brings us closer to the inevitable retirement/death in office of Nick Saban...of course we won't be competing against Alabama, but might be going for the same guys as whichever school loses their coach to the Tide.
Like the actual stock market, trying to time the coaching market is next to impossible.
You make good points.
Must be a matter of money then because I find it hard to believe that HY truly believes that Sam is going to lead us to greener pastures.
Quote from: Corn Pop on Nov 20, 2023, 08:37 AMI've heard from a pretty reliable source that knows two large donors who both told HY at the time that he gave Pittman the buyout that he was jumping the gun and that if he needed to fire Pittman in a couple of years don't come asking them to write a big check. I kind of hate to share that because I'm a fan of HY and think he's done a very good job overall as athletic director. With A&M and Miss.St. both looking for coaches maybe this isn't the best time for the Hogs to be looking for a new coach anyway.
All of that makes sense. I also agree that Yurachek has done a great job overall. But this is a really big mistake at a really bad time. One that loses a lot of the goodwill that he has with the fans, and assuming your story is correct, the boosters also.
I can see the ACT question now.
Brett Bielema is to Jeff Long as Sam Pittman is to ________ _______________.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 19, 2023, 12:26 PMOh bullshit. If Yurachek can't make the call on coach of his football team, maybe he should start looking at going to a school that respects his opinion.
Actually, it's not bull shit.
Quote from: Hizog on Nov 20, 2023, 10:21 AMAll of that makes sense. I also agree that Yurachek has done a great job overall. But this is a really big mistake at a really bad time. One that loses a lot of the goodwill that he has with the fans, and assuming your story is correct, the boosters also.
I can see the ACT question now.
Brett Bielema is to Jeff Long as Sam Pittman is to ________ _______________.
speaking of Bielema, good gawd he is fucking fatter now than he was at arkansas when I saw him playing against iowa Saturday
I guess the mitigation language wasn't enough to get Sam to retire. So we're stuck with this stupid buyout. Sam could be here for years if the boosters are saying told you so. I hate malzahn but he'd be better than this mess and the hell that is coming.
No one will come here to be an assistant for a one year deal. With the money they make wives don't tolerate that moving all the time anymore. Were stuck with what we got.
The decommits and transfers out coming fast. Look for lots of walkons.
2 win team next year. This was a down year for the sec; it won't be next year. Pathetic. Sam will leave the program even worse than he found it. A shitstain. All the money, the facilities, the base all wasted with an inept coach. Rich inept coach.
This will be Johnelle 2.0
Ain't nobody coming here for a 1 year uncertain gig. However, I will bite the bullet and accept a 1 year contract for $3 million with a $1 million additional guarantee I'll walk away no questions asked if it turns out I actually can't manage a D-1 football program to more than 4 wins.
How do you stay at a job when you're already so sensitive to the twitter comments knowing everyone wants you gone and they hate you.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 20, 2023, 11:10 AMspeaking of Bielema, good gawd he is fucking fatter now than he was at arkansas when I saw him playing against iowa Saturday
He was playing?! Florida needs him to make that 450 pound guy look smaller.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 20, 2023, 11:16 AMI guess the mitigation language wasn't enough to get Sam to retire. So we're stuck with this stupid buyout. Sam could be here for years if the boosters are saying told you so. I hate malzahn but he'd be better than this mess and the hell that is coming.
No one will come here to be an assistant for a one year deal. With the money they make wives don't tolerate that moving all the time anymore. Were stuck with what we got.
The decommits and transfers out coming fast. Look for lots of walkons.
2 win team next year. This was a down year for the sec; it won't be next year. Pathetic. Sam will leave the program even worse than he found it. A shitstain. All the money, the facilities, the base all wasted with an inept coach. Rich inept coach.
UAPB and Louisiana Tech might be the only wins next year.
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 20, 2023, 11:29 AMUAPB and Louisiana Tech might be the only wins next year.
Are we playing UAPB in Little Rock?
I think Bielema is a better coach than Sam, and I hate that I think that.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 20, 2023, 11:44 AMI think Bielema is a better coach than Sam, and I hate that I think that.
Man, I hate to agree.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 20, 2023, 11:28 AMHe was playing?! Florida needs him to make that 450 pound guy look smaller.
you know what I mean
Simple, Sam was a lying sack of shit. The "Aw shucks, I'm just happy to be here and I'll leave on my own if I can't get it done" was bullshit from the start.
I know Sam won't see it that way but this is some of the most cynical bullshit, I've ever seen. He gets hired out of the blue when absolutely no one and no other school would have given him a chance anywhere. If reports are to be believed part of the reason was because Jimmy Sexton wasn't his agent. As soon as he has a little success, he hires Sexton and holds us up for a big salary and buyout as if he was owed it instead of the other way around. Then with our football future hanging in the balance, one more bad year might put this program under, he doesn't go home as he said he would, his ego and his money are more important to him than the program that gave him a chance to be a head coach when his career was already over and absolutely no one else would.
And all through the year, we get his hyper sensitive bullshit. The other night the commentators were talking about their talk with him and "what he had done for the program" instead of the other way around. He had a chance to walk away as one of the most beloved characters in Arkansas history but his ego and money were worth more to him than that. Fuck that guy.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 20, 2023, 11:44 AMI think Bielema is a better coach than Sam, and I hate that I think that.
When Bielema first got here and started making the speaking rounds, I thought holy shit this guy gets it. Appeared to have extreme attention to detail. My god what a disappointment.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 20, 2023, 12:32 PMWhen Bielema first got here and started making the speaking rounds, I thought holy shit this guy gets it. Appeared to have extreme attention to detail. My god what a disappointment.
You know he could recite the five best cheeseburger joints in NWA at the drop of a hat. If that's not detailed I don't know what is.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 20, 2023, 12:32 PMWhen Bielema first got here and started making the speaking rounds, I thought holy shit this guy gets it. Appeared to have extreme attention to detail. My god what a disappointment.
I think he had a good vision and philosophy, but lacked the motivation and attention to detail.
He could've been a great coach, but simply didn't care enough to do so.
I'm not surprised he's doing reasonably well at Illinois, but I don't expect him to win any titles there, either.
We just aren't serious about football. I love the hogs and always will. I even went to a game this year, but the smartest thing I've done is give up my tickets during Bert's time because it was obvious we weren't serious about football.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 20, 2023, 12:48 PMI think he had a good vision and philosophy, but lacked the motivation and attention to detail.
He could've been a great coach, but simply didn't care enough to do so.
I'm not surprised he's doing reasonably well at Illinois, but I don't expect him to win any titles there, either.
He's a loss to Northwestern away from two losing seasons (and a very mediocre "winning" year) out of three.
I know it's Illinois, but Burt hasn't done anything to dispel the notion that he was the problem here, not the program itself.
If this is really happening, then Yurachek needs to hire the OC, not Pittman. Hire a guy that you think could make a good head coach and tell him that. Hell, Sam will likely drop below the magical .500 mark by game 5 next season. Fire him then and give the new guy 6 or 7 games as the interim to see what he can do.
I'm not a fan of the head coach in waiting model, but this could be a situation that calls for it. Whether it's official or unofficial.
Pittman turned his Twitter account back on. I bet it will be off again by Friday night.
Quote from: Hizog on Nov 20, 2023, 01:16 PMIf this is really happening, then Yurachek needs to hire the OC, not Pittman. Hire a guy that you think could make a good head coach and tell him that. Hell, Sam will likely drop below the magical .500 mark by game 5 next season. Fire him then and give the new guy 6 or 7 games as the interim to see what he can do.
I'm not a fan of the head coach in waiting model, but this could be a situation that calls for it. Whether it's official or unofficial.
He ain't dropping below the magical 350# mark any time soon.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 20, 2023, 11:39 AMAre we playing UAPB in Little Rock?
Yes it is the season opener next year, August 31.
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 20, 2023, 01:29 PMYes it is the season opener next year, August 31.
Expect this game to move to Thursday the 29th. Teams that aren't serious about football move their games to have longer holiday weekends.
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 20, 2023, 01:29 PMYes it is the season opener next year, August 31.
jesus Christ and we will most likely be beat
I am sick of hearing that "we aren't serious about football." It makes no sense.
If you believe that, tell us what the hell we should do? And please don't say "hire Bobby Petrino." That will never happen.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 20, 2023, 01:13 PMHe's a loss to Northwestern away from two losing seasons (and a very mediocre "winning" year) out of three.
I know it's Illinois, but Burt hasn't done anything to dispel the notion that he was the problem here, not the program itself.
Yeah, he didn't kill it here. His last season was roughly equivalent to this one, and it got him canned.
But he was a winner at Wisconsin and has Illinois competitive. Overall resume wise, significantly stronger than Sam.
Not saying we should've kept him, but we should be firing Sam if we held him to the same standard.
Sam's 11-22 (about to be 11-23 in conference) without a winning SEC record in a single season.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 01:40 PMI am sick of hearing that "we aren't serious about football." It makes no sense.
If you believe that, tell us what the hell we should do? And please don't say "hire Bobby Petrino." That will never happen.
Find a promising up and comer and give him a chance, and give him the resources in asst coaching money and NIL he needs.
44th game as a head coach..... should have shown him the door after that game. This is the SEC, your head coach should not need training wheels in YEAR FOUR.
Pittman has been coaching football since 1984. It ain't rocket science.
https://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1715811030629315055?s=20
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 20, 2023, 02:13 PM44th game as a head coach..... should have shown him the door after that game.
https://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1715811030629315055?s=20
No coach is right every time about what decision to make. It may show a lack of confidence to say so, but you know damn good and well that is true.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 20, 2023, 02:08 PMFind a promising up and comer and give him a chance, and give him the resources in asst coaching money and NIL he needs.
I think this is the problem. The Tysons, Waltons, and HTLs of the state need to step up.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 20, 2023, 02:17 PMI think this is the problem. The Tysons, Waltons, and HTLs of the state need to step up.
it's always someone else that needs to step up
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 02:26 PMit's always someone else that needs to step up
We could start a woopig NIL fund. I'd donate.
You think its bad now? Just wait til we shit the bed against ASU in 2025. Don't we get ND that season too?
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 02:26 PMit's always someone else that needs to step up
Most of the food people buy for tailgating or at home for GameDay come from Tyson and Walmart. They should pony up so people keep buying their stuff.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 20, 2023, 02:07 PMNot saying we should've kept him, but we should be firing Sam if we held him to the same standard.
BB had a wild card that just screamed out that he had to be fired. Repeated and shocking losses from halftime leads, even really large halftime leads.
Sam is developing a really strong hand for his own wildcard, repeated and shocking home losses as a favorite, to bad teams.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 20, 2023, 02:35 PMBB had a wild card that just screamed out that he had to be fired. Repeated and shocking losses from halftime leads, even really large halftime leads.
Sam is developing a really strong hand for his own wildcard, repeated and shocking home losses as a favorite, to bad teams.
That Auburn game... we got absolutely destroyed by a shit team. If Mizzou looks like that...
There's a point where people just stop going.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 20, 2023, 02:13 PM44th game as a head coach..... should have shown him the door after that game. This is the SEC, your head coach should not need training wheels in YEAR FOUR.
Pittman has been coaching football since 1984. It ain't rocket science.
https://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1715811030629315055?s=20
this is just pathetic and sad at this point in his career. I don't really think he's loving the job anymore or maybe even cares. All that matters is securing enough funds to retire after this gig and get fat on lake Hamilton
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 20, 2023, 02:17 PMI think this is the problem. The Tysons, Waltons, and HTLs of the state need to step up.
pittman said in his presser that the nil situation has changed for the better all of a sudden. yurachek was there and it looked like maybe he wasn't supposed to say anything about it right now.
sounds like while $16 million might have been too rich for the money guys, fattening the nil pot was something they are willing to do.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 01:40 PMI am sick of hearing that "we aren't serious about football." It makes no sense.
If you believe that, tell us what the hell we should do? And please don't say "hire Bobby Petrino." That will never happen.
When you have a team that is talented enough to be .500 in conference and win 1 game (while losing a rent a win) you fire the coach. Just like he said he would do in that situation. That's the immediate what the hell are we supposed to do.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 02:16 PMNo coach is right every time about what decision to make. It may show a lack of confidence to say so, but you know damn good and well that is true.
It's not just that. It's the delay of game penalties, the 12 men on the field or illegal substitution penalties after timeouts. Just dumb shit that would never happen with a well coached team. Honestly I'm amazed Pittman has worked out as well as he has but we have already seen his ceiling two seasons ago and I don't think we have seen his floor yet.
I really think Pitman still steps down after Friday. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, especially considering what Sam and Hunter have said in the past. Everybody saves face. Sam gets some cash and we work to solve the real problem.
Don't let former players influence your search (serious programs don't do that). Get somebody young and hungry. Give him the resources. Give him the incentive contract. Don't hire somebody because it's their turn.
I do think we need someone in staff who is if not in title, a de facto associate head coach. This person needs to be responsible for discipline and coordinating all the various parts of the game to make sure that the various substitutions and situational stuff is taken care of. Sam has shown he is not capable or that. Let him glad hand, recruit, and give "Aw shucks and colbeer" interviews. Leave the coaching to others.
he just got a commit from an olineman. the #1 juco tackle in 2023 that everyone wanted. kid went to michigan st and entered the portal last month. no way the guy commits if pittman was leaving.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 20, 2023, 02:55 PMI really think Pitman still steps down after Friday. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, especially considering what Sam and Hunter have said in the past. Everybody saves face. Sam gets some cash and we work to solve the real problem.
Don't let former players influence your search (serious programs don't do that). Get somebody young and hungry. Give him the resources. Give him the incentive contract. Don't hire somebody because it's their turn.
Obviously, I'll take back everything I've said if that is the case and I too think it is still a slim possibility. It will make it clear that it was Sam's choice.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 20, 2023, 02:52 PMIt's not just that. It's the delay of game penalties, the 12 men on the field or illegal substitution penalties after timeouts. Just dumb shit that would never happen with a well coached team. Honestly I'm amazed Pittman has worked out as well as he has but we have already seen his ceiling two seasons ago and I don't think we have seen his floor yet.
agree very much on the dumb shit... just like Houston Nutt's famous delay of game penalties after time outs
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 20, 2023, 02:55 PMI really think Pitman still steps down after Friday. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, especially considering what Sam and Hunter have said in the past. Everybody saves face. Sam gets some cash and we work to solve the real problem.
Don't let former players influence your search (serious programs don't do that). Get somebody young and hungry. Give him the resources. Give him the incentive contract. Don't hire somebody because it's their turn.
He is not doing that. He wants 100% of the payout.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 20, 2023, 02:55 PMI really think Pitman still steps down after Friday. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, especially considering what Sam and Hunter have said in the past. Everybody saves face. Sam gets some cash and we work to solve the real problem.
Don't let former players influence your search (serious programs don't do that). Get somebody young and hungry. Give him the resources. Give him the incentive contract. Don't hire somebody because it's their turn.
I'm with you 100% on this. I still don't believe he's coming back next year.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 20, 2023, 02:58 PMI do think we need someone in staff who is if not in title, a de facto associate head coach. This person needs to be responsible for discipline and coordinating all the various parts of the game to make sure that the various substitutions and situational stuff is taken care of. Sam has shown he is not capable or that. Let him glad hand, recruit, and give "Aw shucks and colbeer" interviews. Leave the coaching to others.
like I have geard the Navy does - if the captain is affable give him an asshole XO and vice versa
There is an add for a countertop electric composter on tv at th his moment. Everyone and most everything of the current program should be fed into it.
I got some grain auger tubing and parts in my garage. All we need is a 30HP electric motor and we can make a juicer.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 20, 2023, 02:58 PMI do think we need someone in staff who is if not in title, a de facto associate head coach. This person needs to be responsible for discipline and coordinating all the various parts of the game to make sure that the various substitutions and situational stuff is taken care of. Sam has shown he is not capable or that. Let him glad hand, recruit, and give "Aw shucks and colbeer" interviews. Leave the coaching to others.
maybe Odom got tired of carrying Sam's water and if he was going to be the de facto head coach he might go ahead and be a head coach. just a thought.
Still, if you need a de facto head coach for your head coach at this point of his tenure - why is he your head coach ?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 20, 2023, 04:53 PMmaybe Odom got tired of carrying Sam's water and if he was going to be the de facto head coach he might go ahead and be a head coach. just a thought.
Still, if you need a de facto head coach for your head coach at this point of his tenure - why is he your head coach ?
I don't know. I don't have an answer for that. I'm just stating what I think it will take to make this shit show half ass work.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 02:16 PMNo coach is right every time about what decision to make. It may show a lack of confidence to say so, but you know damn good and well that is true.
Few are wrong as often as Sam. It would be hard to get that many judgment calls wrong if you were trying to blow them all.
https://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1726669551906312291?s=20
I trust that should be too not to - journalists! :chad
also doesn't sound like a guy making any staff changes.
and then.........
https://x.com/TreyBiddy/status/1726664123621195908?s=20
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 20, 2023, 01:37 PMExpect this game to move to Thursday the 29th. Teams that aren't serious about football move their games to have longer holiday weekends.
Yeah that's a prime cobeer lake weekend.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 20, 2023, 02:55 PMI really think Pitman still steps down after Friday. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, especially considering what Sam and Hunter have said in the past. Everybody saves face. Sam gets some cash and we work to solve the real problem.
Don't let former players influence your search (serious programs don't do that). Get somebody young and hungry. Give him the resources. Give him the incentive contract. Don't hire somebody because it's their turn.
LaLaLand is a movie not real life.
Sam got assurances from his AD and got more funding for NIL.
He's your coach next season even if he loses by 40 to Mizzou
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 20, 2023, 05:24 PMhttps://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1726669551906312291?s=20
I trust that should be too not to - journalists! :chad
also doesn't sound like a guy making any staff changes.
and then.........
https://x.com/TreyBiddy/status/1726664123621195908?s=20
What an asshole.
Basically saying, "Who are you going to get?"
"Sam Pittman, at least he's better than Chad Morris. Buy season tickets and support the program now."
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 20, 2023, 05:24 PMhttps://x.com/HitThatLineAR/status/1726669551906312291?s=20
I trust that should be too not to - journalists! :chad
also doesn't sound like a guy making any staff changes.
and then.........
https://x.com/TreyBiddy/status/1726664123621195908?s=20
Well, there's that good old passive aggressive chippy Sam Pittman we've come to know.
Quote from: Corn Pop on Nov 20, 2023, 08:37 AMI've heard from a pretty reliable source that knows two large donors who both told HY at the time that he gave Pittman the buyout that he was jumping the gun and that if he needed to fire Pittman in a couple of years don't come asking them to write a big check. I kind of hate to share that because I'm a fan of HY and think he's done a very good job overall as athletic director. With A&M and Miss.St. both looking for coaches maybe this isn't the best time for the Hogs to be looking for a new coach anyway.
Wait, is HY supposed to listen to the GOB donors or is he supposed to have a set a balls?
I'm so confused.
That reaks of Houston Nutt's BACK TO BACK COTTON BOWLS speech at Ole Miss. He's starting to sound way more like a guy who'd rather burn the place to the ground on his way out instead of leaving if he isn't getting the job done.
Dear Mr. "they won't have to fire me" King
Hey I'm all for it...give Sam the NIL Money he needs to buy players. If/when it fails they'll be no more excuses.
P.S. I thought NIL was something that "sponsors" controlled and the university had little or nothing to do with it?
I'm not sure why anyone thought he was just going to step aside and walk away from millions.
Quote from: animal on Nov 20, 2023, 06:22 PMHey I'm all for it...give Sam the NIL Money he needs to buy players. If/when it fails they'll be no more excuses.
P.S. I thought NIL was something that "sponsors" controlled and the university had little or nothing to do with it?
the university doesn't have control of it.
the change is not just the money but how it's handled. arkansas's "official" nil collective is handled thru charities. they get the money and pay the players for appearances, etc.
most of the other schools in the conference collectives are true bagman operations. run by third party, for profit entities that direct the 'donations' where the givers want it to go.
what this probably means is the money given will go straight to the football team. the collective needs to be setup, more than likely being done so now. i think that's why pittman said he goofed up when talking about it at his presser.
Maybe they can sell access to the play calling and game time decisions. Crucial 4th and 1 decision, tits sweating...Sam gives the signal. Let's have Bob from Magnolia make that call.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 19, 2023, 11:37 AMI think the fact Mizzou is a "top 10 program" with Drinkwitz is a massive aggravation for Arkansas fans who can't understand why with better finances, fan support, and facilities we aren't winning more than they are.
What pisses more people off, way more than what missouris is or isn't rated, is watching the coach nobody wanted because he had one time worn cornrows be within a Joe Theisman type injury away from possibly playing for a championship.
Fuck this weak shit.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 20, 2023, 06:47 PMthe university doesn't have control of it.
the change is not just the money but how it's handled. arkansas's "official" nil collective is handled thru charities. they get the money and pay the players for appearances, etc.
most of the other schools in the conference collectives are true bagman operations. run by third party, for profit entities that direct the 'donations' where the givers want it to go.
what this probably means is the money given will go straight to the football team. the collective needs to be setup, more than likely being done so now. i think that's why pittman said he goofed up when talking about it at his presser.
This is the one morsel of good news in a 72 hour period of general shit.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 20, 2023, 06:04 PMWait, is HY supposed to listen to the GOB donors or is he supposed to have a set a balls?
I'm so confused.
I'm just telling you what I heard. It takes money to have balls in the football coach hiring business though. If the GOB donors won't get the checkbook out, what's an AD to do?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 20, 2023, 11:44 AMI think Bielema is a better coach than Sam, and I hate that I think that.
Same thinking. He had Ragnow. I really liked Bert the first two seasons but then I think the realities of recruiting and his drinking just tore him up. That last A&M game he looked like he'd been on a two week bender and then spent the winter inside a dead moose.
I'm really pissed off right now.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 20, 2023, 05:34 PMWhat an asshole.
Basically saying, "Who are you going to get?"
I don't think there is anything "assholy" about those statements. Enlighten me. What am I missing?
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 08:42 PMI don't think there is anything "assholy" about those statements. Enlighten me. What am I missing?
"Be careful what you wish for" reminds me of Nutt's attitude that the University should feel "lucky" to have him.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 08:42 PMI don't think there is anything "assholy" about those statements. Enlighten me. What am I missing?
I interrupted it as "Be lucky for what you got," however, you could also interrupt it as, he is not changing his staff.
Either way, we are fucked.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 20, 2023, 06:47 PMthe university doesn't have control of it.
the change is not just the money but how it's handled. arkansas's "official" nil collective is handled thru charities. they get the money and pay the players for appearances, etc.
most of the other schools in the conference collectives are true bagman operations. run by third party, for profit entities that direct the 'donations' where the givers want it to go.
what this probably means is the money given will go straight to the football team. the collective needs to be setup, more than likely being done so now. i think that's why pittman said he goofed up when talking about it at his presser.
Biddy discussed this in his walk and talk. The charity thing doesn't work and is an anachronism. The bigtime schools use this collective concept which is like a Razorback Foundation for players. The money is more straight to the players without true NIL requirements like showing up for a Realtor convention. It's true bag money. At some point there needs to be some regulation and total transparency. Player funds should be public. They are pros.
The collectives have websites that allow you small folks to simply donate. Skip Starbucks today and send your hogs 10 bucks.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 20, 2023, 09:21 PMI interrupted it as "Be lucky for what you got," however, you could also interrupt it as, he is not changing his staff.
Either way, we are fucked.
He would never fire Kennedy. That's his protege. Maybe in 20 years he can be a shitty head coach somewhere. I predict Guiton remains the OC. Lord help us.
I did say I liked Sam and wanted him to retire with some grace and honor. I fucking now hate his big titty ass, his stupid col beer and jukebox shit, his love of the helmet, all his shit. I now hate him more than Chad and one notch below Hootie. I hope he goes 0-12. Go fuck yourself Sam.
This is Nutt 2.0 all over again, and like BigPale said, Houston was a better head coach than Sam is.
Sams gonna eek out a 7 win season next year by the hair of his chin and will probably get another extension. Because fuck ya'll Hog fans, your expectations are too high!
I'm done with this program. All except for women's soccer because I hear you get a badge after attending 2 games.
https://x.com/curtwilkerson_/status/1726801686252097676
We need some NIL $ from this baller.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 20, 2023, 09:33 PMHe would never fire Kennedy. That's his protege. Maybe in 20 years he can be a shitty head coach somewhere. I predict Guiton remains the OC. Lord help us.
I did say I liked Sam and wanted him to retire with some grace and honor. I fucking now hate his big titty ass, his stupid col beer and jukebox shit, his love of the helmet, all his shit. I now hate him more than Chad and one notch below Hootie. I hope he goes 0-12. Go fuck yourself Sam.
It's good to see you getting in the holiday spirit. :)
Happy Thanksgiving to all! Hope you have family and friends without too much stress from a drunk in-law or weird ass dishes you wife makes you try.
Quote from: TC on Nov 20, 2023, 09:49 PMThis is Nutt 2.0 all over again, and like BigPale said, Houston was a better head coach than Sam is.
Sams gonna eek out a 7 win season next year by the hair of his chin and will probably get another extension. Because fuck ya'll Hog fans, your expectations are too high!
I'm done with this program. All except for women's soccer because I hear you get a badge after attending 2 games.
I have a hard time seeing 7 wins, next season. I'm not sure if these defensive coaches stick around for this shitshow.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 20, 2023, 10:04 PMhttps://x.com/curtwilkerson_/status/1726801686252097676
We need some NIL $ from this baller.
No, the yacht took every penny I had.
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Nov 20, 2023, 07:07 PMWhat pisses more people off, way more than what missouris is or isn't rated, is watching the coach nobody wanted because he had one time worn cornrows be within a Joe Theisman type injury away from possibly playing for a championship.
Fuck this weak shit.
I agree 100000%. Norvell was begging for the job. 10-2 at Memphis. Young offensive minded coach. And we pick a total dipshit who honestly thought he and his family were just a little too good for this job and state. Same dipshit that barely wins 7 at SMU and our media acts like that's some monumental accomplishment. Norvell beat his ass 66-45 that year. Think of where we would be now if we hire Norvell in 2017.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 20, 2023, 09:33 PMHe would never fire Kennedy. That's his protege. Maybe in 20 years he can be a shitty head coach somewhere. I predict Guiton remains the OC. Lord help us.
I did say I liked Sam and wanted him to retire with some grace and honor. I fucking now hate his big titty ass, his stupid col beer and jukebox shit, his love of the helmet, all his shit. I now hate him more than Chad and one notch below Hootie. I hope he goes 0-12. Go fuck yourself Sam.
Hallelujah, holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?
This made me laugh first thing this morning. :this_is_woopig:
Quote from: animal on Nov 20, 2023, 06:47 PMMaybe they can sell access to the play calling and game time decisions. Crucial 4th and 1 decision, tits sweating...Sam gives the signal. Let's have Bob from Magnolia make that call.
You could put 4 plays up on the Jumbotron and let everybody vote from their phones.
No, wait...shit. No cell service. Never mind.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 20, 2023, 08:42 PMI don't think there is anything "assholy" about those statements. Enlighten me. What am I missing?
It's not exactly "assholy" but it's not good.
I am sure at some point you have done performance reviews with an employee. Let's say you're doing one with an employee who really missed the mark this year. A paralegal who could not get things ready for filing. A secretary who could not write in English.
So you're going over those things with the employee, and being direct that they really need to be improved, or you might have to find someone else for the position. If their response is, "if you replace me, you're rolling the dice it might get worse," what's your confidence that the employee is getting it and will try hard to improve? Low to very low, I would think.
Sam's comments make it easy to see why we always do so poorly and come out flat after a good game. Just last week he was poor mouthing it and getting pissy about reporters asking him about his job. Now, less than a week later after getting word he is going to be retained and beating up on the crippled kid, he's all happy and taking shots at the thought we might need a change. He can't keep his eye on the ball. He worries about people talking about his titties. He worries about people talking about his job security. When good things happen, it's clear he spends the week sniffing his own farts and reading press clippings.
I mean I know it's useless to compare him to Saban or even Petrino, but can you imagine either if those guys saying some of the stuff he has said?
The dude is Houston Nutt in a more likable package. We'll see how that package looks Friday night and next year.
Speaking of Friday, I have never wanted to beat Missouri more.
It's a damn shame.
Friday after getting assraped by 50 points, Sam will be titty fucked by that goober Drinkshitz at the 50 yard line. HY can enjoy seeing his coach splooged in the face and heading to the lockers in shame.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 21, 2023, 08:51 AMFriday after getting assraped by 50 points, Sam will be titty fucked by that goober Drinkshitz at the 50 yard line. HY can enjoy seeing his coach splooged in the face and heading to the lockers in shame.
This has not been my proudest fap ever.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 21, 2023, 08:51 AMFriday after getting assraped by 50 points, Sam will be titty fucked by that goober Drinkshitz at the 50 yard line. HY can enjoy seeing his coach splooged in the face and heading to the lockers in shame.
To get one of our classiest posters to descend into this abyss...
This is what our program's become.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 21, 2023, 07:27 AMIt's not exactly "assholy" but it's not good.
I am sure at some point you have done performance reviews with an employee. Let's say you're doing one with an employee who really missed the mark this year. A paralegal who could not get things ready for filing. A secretary who could not write in English.
So you're going over those things with the employee, and being direct that they really need to be improved, or you might have to find someone else for the position. If their response is, "if you replace me, you're rolling the dice it might get worse," what's your confidence that the employee is getting it and will try hard to improve? Low to very low, I would think.
missing the important tidbit - how hot is she?
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 21, 2023, 10:25 AMTo get one of our classiest posters to descend into this abyss...
This is what our program's become.
This is called a heel turn in wrasslin'.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 21, 2023, 08:44 AMSpeaking of Friday, I have never wanted to beat Missouri more.
It's a damn shame.
I agree
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 21, 2023, 11:08 AMI agree
I think it's time we accept the fact that Missouri is our rival. Every one of their fans seem to hate our program, their coach has a hard-on to beat us every year, they recruit directly against us, they're geographic neighbors, the games are usually competitive, and there's a strong tension whenever we play them in either fball or bball.
Missouri is it.
Texas has OU
A&M has Texas
Ole Miss has Miss St
Missouri is all we have.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 21, 2023, 11:40 AMI think it's time we accept the fact that Missouri is our rival. Every one of their fans seem to hate our program, their coach has a hard-on to beat us every year, they recruit directly against us, they're geographic neighbors, the games are usually competitive, and there's a strong tension whenever we play them in either fball or bball.
Missouri is it.
Texas has OU
A&M has Texas
Ole Miss has Miss St
Missouri is all we have.
If everybody gets only one, that still leaves LSU for us.
Quote from: bigpig on Nov 21, 2023, 11:40 AMI think it's time we accept the fact that Missouri is our rival. Every one of their fans seem to hate our program, their coach has a hard-on to beat us every year, they recruit directly against us, they're geographic neighbors, the games are usually competitive, and there's a strong tension whenever we play them in either fball or bball.
Missouri is it.
Texas has OU
A&M has Texas
Ole Miss has Miss St
Missouri is all we have.
Since 2014
2-7 Record
192-300 Points Scored
They aren't our rival, they our daddy.
I wish he would make up his mind.
After getting all pissy about being asked about his job status Saturday and all that shit about his wife's feelings and recruiting being hurt, he says this on Monday
"I'll say this: I think when you sign up for the SEC, you have to win. It's here, [Texas] A&M, Mississippi State, Alabama, wherever, you've got to win.
"If you don't, there's opportunities for you to be unemployed. That's just how it is and that's what we sign up for."
Phat Pelphrey is 4-11 in his last 15 SEC games.
I was surprised by upbeat nature of this from Fayettevillians
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/11/19/the-day-after-week-12-2/
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Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 21, 2023, 03:50 PMI wish he would make up his mind.
After getting all pissy about being asked about his job status Saturday and all that shit about his wife's feelings and recruiting being hurt, he says this on Monday
"I'll say this: I think when you sign up for the SEC, you have to win. It's here, [Texas] A&M, Mississippi State, Alabama, wherever, you've got to win.
"If you don't, there's opportunities for you to be unemployed. That's just how it is and that's what we sign up for."
Phat Pelphrey is 4-11 in his last 15 SEC games.
I was surprised by upbeat nature of this from Fayettevillians
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/11/19/the-day-after-week-12-2/
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Now he's just rubbing it in. He thinks he's bulletproof so he can spout these platitudes. He's a fatter Nutt.
But I'm sticking with my new nickname for him.
O'sama bin Eatin'
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 21, 2023, 04:15 PMNow he's just rubbing it in. He thinks he's bulletproof so he can spout these platitudes. He's a fatter Nutt.
But I'm sticking with my new nickname for him.
O'sama bin Eatin'
Sam really needs a great effort from his team Friday.
That 4-11 would get any other SEC coach fired on Friday.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 21, 2023, 04:22 PMSam really needs a great effort from his team Friday.
Sorry, it's not in the down-up-down-up algorithm.
Although the FIU effort was about half of each.
I have no idea how much Mike Irwin knows - I'm betting it's about as much as the average poster here - but he's on Twitter saying there's a better chance for a new OC than there is a new OLine coach. Keeping that guy should be enough to fire for cause if that's true.
This sounds crazy, I know, but what if the new OC were to want to bring their own OL coach?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 21, 2023, 05:42 PMThis sounds crazy, I know, but what if the new OC were to want to bring their own OL coach?
Ain't nobody gonna move Sam's boy out of there.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 21, 2023, 05:42 PMThis sounds crazy, I know, but what if the new OC were to want to bring their own OL coach?
That would be great, but this is Arkansas football so the interim OC will probably become the permanent OC and keep the current OL coach.
I graduated high school in the state of Missouri so I know what I have to do I just don't know I have the strength to do it. I could switch teams, all it would take is a t-shirt and whammy...suddenly Missouri becomes teh suck. Happens every time...it's part of the reason I never buy hog t-shirts or hats anymore.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 21, 2023, 05:42 PMThis sounds crazy, I know, but what if the new OC were to want to bring their own OL?
This sounds better.
Quote from: animal on Nov 21, 2023, 06:08 PMI graduated high school in the state of Missouri so I know what I have to do I just don't know I have the strength to do it. I could switch teams, all it would take is a t-shirt and whammy...suddenly Missouri becomes teh suck. Happens every time...it's part of the reason I never buy hog t-shirts or hats anymore.
Go ahead and feel free to get a Phillies hat also.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 21, 2023, 08:06 PMGo ahead and feel free to get a Phillies hat also.
I'm not a hockey fan
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 21, 2023, 03:50 PMI wish he would make up his mind.
After getting all pissy about being asked about his job status Saturday and all that shit about his wife's feelings and recruiting being hurt, he says this on Monday
"I'll say this: I think when you sign up for the SEC, you have to win. It's here, [Texas] A&M, Mississippi State, Alabama, wherever, you've got to win.
"If you don't, there's opportunities for you to be unemployed. That's just how it is and that's what we sign up for."
Phat Pelphrey is 4-11 in his last 15 SEC games.
I was surprised by upbeat nature of this from Fayettevillians
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/11/19/the-day-after-week-12-2/
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In Sampras he's a winner. Got 4 hides on the wall to prove it.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 21, 2023, 03:50 PMI wish he would make up his mind.
After getting all pissy about being asked about his job status Saturday and all that shit about his wife's feelings and recruiting being hurt, he says this on Monday
"I'll say this: I think when you sign up for the SEC, you have to win. It's here, [Texas] A&M, Mississippi State, Alabama, wherever, you've got to win.
"If you don't, there's opportunities for you to be unemployed. That's just how it is and that's what we sign up for."
Phat Pelphrey is 4-11 in his last 15 SEC games.
I was surprised by upbeat nature of this from Fayettevillians
https://www.fayvillains.com/2023/11/19/the-day-after-week-12-2/
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Phat Pelphrey is by far the best name for him.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 22, 2023, 04:06 PMPhat Pelphrey is by far the best name for him.
Phat Phail for short.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 22, 2023, 04:26 PMPhat Phail for short.
And we now are tied up. :maundoed:
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 22, 2023, 04:30 PMAnd we now are tied up. :maundoed:
I'm still gonna throw in O'sama bin Eatin now and again as a nod to a certain old school Woopig dig on that school in Tuscaloosa.
One positive out of this shitty season are the top notch postings on the woopussy.
These past few pages have been comedy gold.
He's the only coach we've had who hasn't lost a bowl game...aside from Chad, who never actually coached in one.
So there's a positive...🤷🏿�♂️
We are in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on a cruise. Went to eat today and apparently they have heard how bad our team is.
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Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PMWe are in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on a cruise. Went to eat today and apparently they have heard how bad our team is.
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Tusk VI, we hardly knew you.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PMWe are in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on a cruise. Went to eat today and apparently they have heard how bad our team is.
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Not fat enough.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 PMWe are in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on a cruise. Went to eat today and apparently they have heard how bad our team is.
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Supposedly, the cheeks are the best meat on a hog. Let us know how it is.
https://x.com/jacobscottdavis/status/1728217354344251802?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 24, 2023, 08:55 PMhttps://x.com/jacobscottdavis/status/1728217354344251802?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
This is like the Hidenburg. Oh the humanity!
I really can't believe we're stuck with Pittman for another season. I want Yurachek gone too now.
No surprise he has thin skin. He's stretched to the point of oozing olive oil from his pores
If the money people told Yuri he couldn't do his job and fire Sam, he may leave on his own.
We're one bad day away from having someone who really understands Arkansas filling in as AD... a son of Little Rock.
I hope I'm joking.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 24, 2023, 09:13 PMIf the money people told Yuri he couldn't do his job and fire Sam, he may leave on his own.
We're one bad day away from having someone who really understands Arkansas filling in as AD... a son of Little Rock.
I hope I'm joking.
If true he should leave if he has any self respect. Even if he did jump the gun on Sam's extension.
Quote from: snoots on Nov 24, 2023, 09:37 PMIf true he should leave if he has any self respect. Even if he did jump the gun on Sam's extension.
did you read the rest of his post?
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 24, 2023, 09:38 PMdid you read the rest of his post?
I don't care at this point. No one else on the hill does.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 24, 2023, 09:38 PMdid you read the rest of his post?
You mean the terrifying prophecy of doom?
Now he is pulling a Biden Press Secretary in news conferences, must be the documented way to cover for disastrous performance as written in Roberts' Rules of Bullshit.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 24, 2023, 09:41 PMYou mean the terrifying prophecy of doom?
yes.
Quote from: snoots on Nov 24, 2023, 09:41 PMI don't care at this point.
then you get the program you deserve.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 24, 2023, 09:43 PMyes.then you get the program you deserve.
Save me the sanctimony. I've already deserved better.
Unfortunately, just like those who vote Democrat, Hog fans will continue to "answer the call" and donate their money and time to the program. Then they'll wonder why things are the way they are and look for someone to blame, instead of looking at who they willingly give support.
Keep your money in your pockets and your asses at home.
It's not only the "big money" guys who can illicit change, it's you, the average dumbass fan. Except most Hog fans are cucks that care more about the program than the program cares about them.
Same shit as Nutt. Snake oil salesman. I really hate it because I liked the guy, but his true colors are showing.
"Hunter won't have to fire me..." Bullshit.
What a bunch of suckers we are. I hope they remember this next year when they're showing 35k in the stands and wondering why they have to cook the books and call it 62,017.
Fuck this program.
They think you're dumb.
Quote from: obijuana on Nov 24, 2023, 11:24 PMUnfortunately, just like those who vote Democrat, Hog fans will continue to "answer the call" and donate their money and time to the program. Then they'll wonder why things are the way they are and look for someone to blame, instead of looking at who they willingly give support.
Keep your money in your pockets and your asses at home.
It's not only the "big money" guys who can illicit change, it's you, the average dumbass fan. Except most Hog fans are cucks that care more about the program than the program cares about them.
At this point I'm for doing anything illegal, but it's "elicit change."
It's nearly 7 am the next day. When can expect an announcement on sweeping changes to the football staff?
I'm in no way intending to be a meanie but..
Kennedy
Smith
Guiton
All need to go.
Bring in new OC and let him pick some of his people. Scott Frost with Mickey Joseph because they would fit right in...and Joseph has exp at LSU.
Quote from: animal on Nov 25, 2023, 06:58 AMIt's nearly 7 am the next day. When can expect an announcement on sweeping changes to the football staff?
I'm in no way intending to be a meanie but..
Kennedy
Smith
Guiton
All need to go.
Bring in new OC and let him pick some of his people. Scott Frost with Mickey Joseph because they would fit right in...and Joseph has exp at LSU.
You forgot to add Fountain.
Why would any respectable coach with any ambition want to join Tommy Boy's staff ?
All we have is defense, but how long is Williams going to stick around if our offense can't give his defenses a break on the field?
I thought Sam had coordinators from all over the country wanting to work for him.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 07:19 AMAll we have is defense, but how long is Williams going to stick around if our offense can't give his defenses a break on the field?
I thought Sam had coordinators from all over the country wanting to work for him.
That Defense staff could easily land a new gig should a better situation open such as Miss State...
Yeah, the defensive staff had a unit give up 40 points and a shit ton of yards last night. Missouris tailback had 135 yards early in the second quarter. That ain't in the offense's ineptness.
I won't be too sad if they move on too.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 25, 2023, 07:27 AMYeah, the defensive staff had a unit give up 40 points and a shit ton of yards last night. Missouris tailback had 135 yards early in the second quarter. That ain't in the offense's ineptness.
I won't be too sad if they move on too.
I'll give them a pass after having to watch their offense get worked over like a Latino maid at Epstein island all season.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 25, 2023, 07:27 AMYeah, the defensive staff had a unit give up 40 points and a shit ton of yards last night. Missouris tailback had 135 yards early in the second quarter. That ain't in the offense's ineptness.
I won't be too sad if they move on too.
There is no one on either side of the ball worth worrying over whether or not they stay...players or coaches. That's not to say I wouldn't mind some staying. I'd prefer not to have a mass exodus of players just so the next coach (whenever that happens) doesn't take over an empty roster. But there is no one in the building worthy of influencing coaching personnel decisions.
can't Hunter fire Sam for cause? 4 SEC wins in 2 season is cause right? Oh wait, for all his talk about turning the tables on buyouts he got played by Sexton into a buyout he can't get out of.
I don't blame the money folks for not wanting to bail his ass out, no one thought the extension was a good idea at the time but him.
All it takes is one bad decision to screw the pooch, and the timing of this one is all time scroogie.
someone needs to remind Tommy Boy what he said on Monday that he signed up for this so answer the question.
does he get pissy when recruits or their parents ask the same question?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 25, 2023, 07:27 AMYeah, the defensive staff had a unit give up 40 points and a shit ton of yards last night. Missouris tailback had 135 yards early in the second quarter. That ain't in the offense's ineptness.
I won't be too sad if they move on too.
Really? Because we lost 5 fumbles, 4 with more than 10 seconds left on the clock, and Missouri scored 24 points off of those. They recovered fumbles on our 47, 38, and 11 yard lines, along with the scoop and score.
We had 225 yards of total offense with most of that in the 4th quarter. Our limpdick offense didn't cross midfield until a minute to go in the 3rd quarter.
I'm not going to be upset at a defense that's short on talent giving up points under those circumstances. I'm more pissed that Sam never recruited anyone better than Clark.
38 to BYU
34 to LSU
34 to A&M
36 to Florida
48 to Auburn
48 to Missouri
A billion yards given up in those games too.
But, we did hold MS State to 7. So extensions for everyone!
The D sucked. Though I'll agree that it was way overshadowed by how bad the offense was.
Fire everyone is the point.
First year defensive staff, roster recruited by Pittman, offense that can't give the defense a break. You can be angry at the whole fucking thing, just don't wonder about why the rest of the world thinks Arkansans are retarded by default.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 25, 2023, 07:57 AM38 to BYU
34 to LSU
34 to A&M
36 to Florida
48 to Auburn
48 to Missouri
A billion yards given up in those games too.
But, we did hold MS State to 7. So extensions for everyone!
The D sucked. Though I'll agree that it was way overshadowed by how bad the offense was.
Fire everyone is the point.
I think you'll find many cases where the offense left a short field or the punter jacked a huge 15 yard punt.
Bringing Pittman back is worst miscalculation in the history of Arkansas athletics. And yes, Sam is officially a liar and a piece of excrement for not keeping his word and going to the house when it clearly isn't working. He should probably use that money he is going to steal this next year to buy a house on a different lake in a different state.
I forgot that Sam also refused to recruit a better punter.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 25, 2023, 07:27 AMYeah, the defensive staff had a unit give up 40 points and a shit ton of yards last night. Missouris tailback had 135 yards early in the second quarter. That ain't in the offense's ineptness.
I won't be too sad if they move on too.
Defense was on the field the whole damn game. Five lost fumbles... jeez that is awful.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 08:03 AMFirst year defensive staff, roster recruited by Pittman, offense that can't give the defense a break. You can be angry at the whole fucking thing, just don't wonder about why the rest of the world thinks Arkansans are retarded by default.
Now it's retarded to take the position that our defensive staff needs to be gone too?
Fuck. No wonder the program is mired in generational sucktitude.
Yes.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that the D wasn't given a shit sandwich in many a game this year. That doesn't mean they don't suck though.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 08:46 AMYes.
Well, the great news is they will all be back next year.
I can keep this up longer than you can maintain sanity.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 08:50 AMI can keep this up longer than you can maintain sanity.
I'm pretty retarded.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 25, 2023, 09:01 AMI'm pretty retarded.
Retard strength didn't help us yesterday I'm not optimistic today.
If Kennedy isn't fired this fucking weekend Sam can go hang out at the bottom of the lake for all I care. He is stealing money and doing those kids wrong.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Nov 25, 2023, 09:22 AMIf Kennedy isn't fired this fucking weekend Sam can go hang out at the bottom of the lake for all I care. He is stealing money and doing those kids wrong.
He won't ditch him unless he's made to.
Kennedy is "like a son" to him. He'll tank the program before he fires his baby boy
I still can't believe Yurachek told Pittman his job was safe before the Missouri game. No other SEC program would retain a HC after these results.
The next time Pittman tries to buy me a Perroni I'll have to turn him down. Sorry bastard. I heard an attorney from Texarkana tore down his pig statues.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 25, 2023, 09:37 AMI still can't believe Yurachek told Pittman his job was safe before the Missouri game. No other SEC program would retain a HC after these results.
You're thinking wrong. He did that way ON PURPOSE because he exactly knew how bad it was going to be after Missouri and the pressure to fire him would be great. Now he can resist the pressure more easily snd it will be less.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2023, 09:41 AMYou're thinking wrong. He did that way ON PURPOSE because he exactly knew how bad it was going to be after Missouri and the pressure to fire him would be great. Now he can resist the pressure more easily snd it will be less.
Oh, I get it. I just can't believe a serious program would resort to such things. Most SEC programs put wins over profits.
Winning and profit go together except at Arkansas where we are told to shut up and buy another T-shirt
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Nov 25, 2023, 09:22 AMIf Kennedy isn't fired this fucking weekend Sam can go hang out at the bottom of the lake for all I care. He is stealing money and doing those kids wrong.
This. I can think Pittman isn't the guy but otherwise feel personally indifferent. I'll become hostile if Kennedy is retained.
And yes, other SEC schools would fire Pittman with these results. It's funding.
I'm just getting ready to welcome in Jim Chaney as OC.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2023, 10:06 AMI'm just getting ready to welcome in Jim Chaney as OC.
I don't think Sam has the balls to hire him. That would be a huge middle finger to Razorback fans.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2023, 10:06 AMI'm just getting ready to welcome in Jim Chaney as OC.
I'm shorting Golden Corral
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 25, 2023, 10:07 AMI don't think Sam has the balls to hire him. That would be a huge middle finger to Razorback fans.
Who the fuck else is going to shitcan his career by stepping into this mess? We're too toxic for Dowell Loggains to come home. Let that sink in for a minute.
What we need is some black Santa up in this bitch
As jacked as I am right now and with 3 years eligibility left, not sure I shouldn't get some run at LB next year.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 25, 2023, 07:15 AMYou forgot to add Fountain.
Why would any respectable coach with any ambition want to join Tommy Boy's staff ?
Tommy boy is a perfect description
Quote from: BASS on Nov 25, 2023, 10:45 AMTommy boy is a perfect description
So, happy ending?
Quote from: CardHog on Nov 25, 2023, 11:15 AMSo, happy ending?
Can Pittman sell HALF A MILLION BRAKE PADS?!?!?!?
Sounds like UNLV OC. Know nothing about their offense. Odom will love that lol.
ABC
Anyone
But
Chaney
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 25, 2023, 11:36 AMSounds like UNLV OC. Know nothing about their offense. Odom will love that lol.
Makes sense. It's going to be a minority hire first and foremost. With that said, we could do worse I think. Guy seems to be a good OC.
We may be headed for the dreaded coach in waiting bit which is the same as saying Sam is double secret fired but not really.
Anyone worth a flying fuck isn't coming to this shit show without assurance that they get to ride the bike in a couple years plus get a healthy buyout package.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 11:40 AMABC
Anyone
But
Chaney
The more I think about it, the more I believe it will happen. God help us.
I am thinking Muss fell into Hunter's lap like Petrino fell into Long's, if this happens.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 25, 2023, 08:03 AMFirst year defensive staff, roster recruited by Pittman, offense that can't give the defense a break. You can be angry at the whole fucking thing, just don't wonder about why the rest of the world thinks Arkansans are retarded by default.
The defense held every conference team except Auburn under their season average for total yards. The improvement from the last few years was the lone bright spot if there is one to be found. With the shit sandwich Williams was dealt I don't know that he could have done much better.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 25, 2023, 11:36 AMSounds like UNLV OC. Know nothing about their offense. Odom will love that lol.
Would be about the best possible option.
GT's OC is another name I've heard.
Supposedly he was Monken's right hand man and Stetson has credited him a lot with their success.
I can't believe we got manhandled by a Drinkwitz team. Look at that pussy the way he held that cigar in post-game. Probably the same way he caresses a cock in his mouth. This is worse than Chad.
I bet he doesn't even caress it. He probably just holds there it until the swelling goes down, the lights-on missionary style of blowjobs. 0/10 on the Ruddy scale, would not recommend.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 25, 2023, 12:06 PMGT's OC is another name I've heard.
Supposedly he was Monken's right hand man and Stetson has credited him a lot with their success.
word is an offer will be made after their game today.
So the ex-assistant to a guy that's really good. Isn't Cody Kennedy the right hand protege to Sam? That worked out well.
Sam lied to us when he said coaches from all over wanted to coach for him. Or maybe he just meant "from all over Georgia".
As others have mentioned, I don't see why a decent OC would consider coming to Arkansas to work on what is likely a lame duck staff for one year unless it is a tryout for HC.
Edit: decent D1 OC.
Quote from: snoots on Nov 25, 2023, 02:25 PMAs others have mentioned, I don't see why a decent OC would consider coming to Arkansas to work on what is likely a lame duck staff for one year unless it is a tryout for HC.
it's going to be a two year contract for at least $2 million, that's why.
if the slide continues who do you think will get the blame. not the oc. but if somehow there's improvement guess who's stock will get a huge boost. there's going to be folks out there that will take that chance for a couple of million bucks.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 25, 2023, 02:30 PMit's going to be a two year contract for at least $2 million, that's why.
if the slide continues who do you think will get the blame. not the oc. but if somehow there's improvement guess who's stock will get a huge boost. there's going to be folks out there that will take that chance for a couple of million bucks.
I would think there is no appetite for funding contracts beyond one year given the lesson Yuri is getting now, but who knows.
Hunter should make the entire coaching staff go on ayahuasca journeys in South America. I want them to see the shadowy hat-man every time they have to make a hard decision.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2023, 10:06 AMI'm just getting ready to welcome in Jim Chaney as OC.
The only way he can help get Sam back to 500 is on the scale.
What's his name? Buster Faulkner? sounds like a old reporter for the Dem-Gaz and a cracker.
It's Monday morning and Cody Kennedy is still employed. It's also taken teams less time to hire and fire their head coaches than it has for us to replace an OC.
The players in the locker room might like the hire of Guiton to OC...but they don't really count. KG aint moving the needle with the fiscally responsible movers, shakers, and fans. They pretty much have to hire a real OC with experience.
So realistically with this head coach (if you want to call him that) he's likely going to be stubborn and hire someone and try to fit him in with the existing pool of offensive assistants. On one hand under Briles most of this staff seemed pretty ok ish. We ran the ball well. We threw the ball great. We scored points. The biggest complaint with Briles was the dip shit play calling at weird times. Enos fucked all of that up badly or at least that's what we are to believe at this point because it couldn't possibly be because of the horrible misses in recruiting prior to the arrival of Enos.
Our TE talent/production clearly increased under Enos/Turner...we can build on that provided Hasz/Washington come back. Reminder Washington wasn't sniffing the field the first several games of the season. He was pressed into action after a couple of the transfers sucked along with Bax also sucking. Easter I assume is still on the roster and may factor in next season. Hiring a OC that doesn't forget about this position will be optimal.
We've likely found our future feature back in Augustive. Green and the love affair with Dubinion is about over. I bet we see both portal. I'd rather see Agustive and a DJ getting a lot of looks next season along with maybe another portal/high grade freshman.
Wide Out...I'd like to see Armstrong back. Beyond that it's anyone's guess but we'll need a lot of portal help. Sategna is so small...not really buying him as a legit SEC player. Mbake will be back but nobody really knows if the guy is going to piss a drop or not. That other kid (McAdoo) that was switched to DB a year ago that ended up getting his neck broke in a car wreck...dont know his future status but it's possible they work him in as a WR moving forward. If he's able to go he'd be an electric player no matter what side of the ball he's on.
Quarterback: No fucking clue. It's weird not wanting KJ back because the body of work. Sure he's all time this and that. He's not a pro QB and if he is someone has a lot of explaining to do because he's looked like hot trash for the last year. Really last season for a lot of that season he was either hurt or just going on raw athletic ability. He's regressed under two OCs. At some point you just have to recognize that our all-time QB is that way because he wasn't bright/good enough to move to the next level sooner or at all. So assuming he's gone on to learn the TE position. I'm not optimistic that the kid from Morrilton is the deal. We've passed on better instate high school talent over the last year for reasons that escape me. Oh year our staff is fucking awful.
I remember the S&C coach last year was the cause of all our problems. I remember we were told this year Enos was the cause of our problems. It doesn't matter who the OC is if we still have a head coach who wants us to believe our troubles are caused by anyone except him.
We've already taken enough time for Marion at UNLV to get a lot more attention. If Faulkner is our guy (maybe he still is and I'm wrong here) we should have dropped the teaser last night about the new OC introduction today. I don't trust Sam to not wait until today to start interviewing candidates.
Dubinion can go. During the BYU game he laid down on a critical block that cost us a sack late in the game in the red zone. Didn't get beat on the block, just laid down.
Looks like they have zeroed in on Marion. He'll have better options and will not sign on for a spare deckchair on the Titanic. So, we need someone quick. I predict Marion strings us along until Wednesday or so before turning us down...causing Sam to panic and hire the one guy he knows will take the job and be here before the sun sets.
Welcome back, Jim Chaney.
Either that or the whole thing is just a way if saying, "I tried to get someone young and innovative but they turned us down" so that he can bring in his buddy for one last big payday.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 07:44 AMWelcome back, Jim Chaney.
Show of hands, who was worried about this possibility the moment that Enos was fired? I was.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 27, 2023, 07:45 AMShow of hands, who was worried about this possibility the moment that Enos was fired? I was.
I was worried about this when Briles bolted.
For those who think it can't get worse than Enos, think again.
You don't have to be Nostradamus to imagine the worst case scenario for Arkansas football and predict it to happen.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 27, 2023, 07:41 AMI remember the S&C coach last year was the cause of all our problems. I remember we were told this year Enos was the cause of our problems. It doesn't matter who the OC is if we still have a head coach who wants us to believe our troubles are caused by anyone except him.
I posted this on SEC Rant, but "it was [insert coach's fault] is a common theme of the Pittman era.
- All the DB coach's fault we lost Foucha and Brooks after 2021.
- Former S&C coach was stirring shit up in the locker room, and it's his fault we lacked team chemistry in 2022 and sucked in short yardage situations.
- Briles was the reason for our red zone failures and (partially) our defensive woes.
- Enos's fault he ran an offense ill-suited for our personnel, and it's his fault he didn't run the same offense we practiced.
- Kennedy's fault our OL took a step back.
Remind me, who is the common denominator who hired (and is supposed to oversee) all those guys?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 27, 2023, 06:44 AMIt's Monday morning and Cody Kennedy is still employed. It's also taken teams less time to hire and fire their head coaches than it has for us to replace an OC.
Hey man, the birds are flying and the whiskey is flowing. His main concern is whether to get Chicago style or a thin crust. Sammy Boy will get to it when he gets to it.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 23, 2023, 03:04 PMSupposedly, the cheeks are the best meat on a hog. Let us know how it is.
Hog jowl with some white beans and corn bread is damn good eatin.
I also predict that Chaney will be given full authority to hire his own staff and that based on working with him before, he'll say that he is comfortable with Kennedy and is keeping him around.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 08:42 AMI also predict that Chaney will be given full authority to hire his own staff and that based on working with him before, he'll say that he is comfortable with Kennedy and is keeping him around.
The 3 of them will be the terror of all buffets in NWA
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 27, 2023, 08:59 AMThe 3 of them will be the terror of all buffets in NWA
Prayers for the catfish hole.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 27, 2023, 08:34 AMI posted this on SEC Rant, but "it was [insert coach's fault] is a common theme of the Pittman era.
- All the DB coach's fault we lost Foucha and Brooks after 2021.
- Former S&C coach was stirring shit up in the locker room, and it's his fault we lacked team chemistry in 2022 and sucked in short yardage situations.
- Briles was the reason for our red zone failures and (partially) our defensive woes.
- Enos's fault he ran an offense ill-suited for our personnel, and it's his fault he didn't run the same offense we practiced.
- Kennedy's fault our OL took a step back.
Remind me, who is the common denominator who hired (and is supposed to oversee) all those guys?
I think coaches like working for Pittman (like Bielema) because he is buddies with them and sets low expectations.
A guy like Saban or Petrino wears them out, squeezes every ounce of potential work out of them and sets expectations that if not met get you canned.
I guess for Pittman when you set that low bar then you make them easy targets and in the long run, those assistants are far worse off because of it.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 27, 2023, 10:09 AMI guess for Pittman when you set that low bar then you make them easy targets and in the long run, those assistants are far worse off because of it.
Sloppy-fat coaches aren't sticklers for hard work and discipline. Shocker.
Quote from: The Reverend SnoopHogg on Nov 27, 2023, 08:41 AMHog jowl with some white beans and corn bread is damn good eatin.
It's a New Years Day staple at our house passed down from my grandparents. That and ribs in the crockpot with sauerkraut. My wife and I love it, kids hate it.
Regarding the OC, I found it interesting the announcers during the Mizzou travesty mentioned a couple formations we ran were similar to what the UNLV OC runs. Like a bug was put in their ear about getting him as our OC.
Lebby and Briles gonna have KJ as a Heisman finalist next year.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 11:40 AMLebby and Briles gonna have KJ as a Heisman finalist next year.
I didn't hate Briles, only his refusal to move the ball inside the red zone. Hats off to him if this happens.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 27, 2023, 09:22 AMPrayers for the catfish hole.
Prayers for the staff plumbers at U Ark.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 27, 2023, 10:09 AMI think coaches like working for Pittman (like Bielema) because he is buddies with them and sets low expectations.
A guy like Saban or Petrino wears them out, squeezes every ounce of potential work out of them and sets expectations that if not met get you canned.
I guess for Pittman when you set that low bar then you make them easy targets and in the long run, those assistants are far worse off because of it.
That shit gets old too. He doesn't demand a lot but he doesn't provide any guidance and he is quick to throw you under the bus.
The things that pisses me off the most was after that game Friday he had the audacity to be pissed off and shitty at the media who all were there to ask the hard questions. You fucking sucked it and instead of owning up to it he gets short and pissy with everyon. Fuck him
Sam is in his home office waiting on all the OC candidates to call him. Got a bucket of chicken and a box of ding dongs. Hell worry about it Thursday.
If Kennedy stays I hope the whole fucking team portals out.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 27, 2023, 01:07 PMSam is in his home office waiting on all the OC candidates to call him. Got a bucket of chicken and a box of ding dongs. Hell worry about it Thursday.
If Kennedy stays I hope the whole fucking team portals out.
this. He ain't getting anyone good that would take the spot light away from himself and potentially dim the light on his already shit career. His head coaching career is 23-25 for Christie sake.
Quote from: wmr on Nov 27, 2023, 10:13 AMSloppy-fat coaches aren't sticklers for hard work and discipline. Shocker.
I brought a guy in to interview with my boss once who was of a similar stature. I got my ass chewed after the interview. Boss said "does that guy look like a go-getter to you?".
Message received.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 27, 2023, 01:03 PMThe things that pisses me off the most was after that game Friday he had the audacity to be pissed off and shitty at the media who all were there to ask the hard questions. You fucking sucked it and instead of owning up to it he gets short and pissy with everyon. Fuck him
Yeah, honestly Pittman could've probably gotten away with this year had he not chosen to:
a) Delete his Twitter/X account at the first sign of adversity (the BYU loss), then call out anyone who dare criticize that move
b) Do anything besides say 'I don't know' or 'I didn't know what to do' about things like in-game strategy or how to build momentum in the program that he's running
c) Probably should've put this at the beginning but I guess when he said he wasn't worried about his job, well of course not, you've got 16 million reasons to not be. Honestly his career went downhill when he ditched Judy Henry for Sexton and showed that he cared about his payday more than leading this "proud damn state."
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 27, 2023, 02:19 PMYeah, honestly Pittman could've probably gotten away with this year had he not chosen to:
a) Delete his Twitter/X account at the first sign of adversity (the BYU loss), then call out anyone who dare criticize that move
b) Do anything besides say 'I don't know' or 'I didn't know what to do' about things like in-game strategy or how to build momentum in the program that he's running
c) Probably should've put this at the beginning but I guess when he said he wasn't worried about his job, well of course not, you've got 16 million reasons to not be. Honestly his career went downhill when he ditched Judy Henry for Sexton and showed that he cared about his payday more than leading this "proud damn state."
pittman is to us what Bidenomics is to America. Worthless
I have no faith we will get someone like Marion. He will go out and grab some fucking high school coach because anyone else that would do a phenomenal job would make him look bad. HY can be shitcanned now for all I care. Also whoever is writing these fucking contracts fire him too.
At this point let's just hire Buddy Stephens from last chance u
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 27, 2023, 02:29 PMI have no faith we will get someone like Marion. He will go out and grab some fucking high school coach because anyone else that would do a phenomenal job would make him look bad. HY can be shitcanned now for all I care. Also whoever is writing these fucking contracts fire him too.
It is pretty amazing to watch Yurachek completely fuck every bit of good will he had been given to this point with this stupid fucking (ridiculous, really) contract and refusal to fire Pittman.
He was universally adored just a couple years ago. Now I'll be happy to see him go as well. They are just telling us to go fuck ourselves and watch another shit seaason. And when it happens, Sam will blame everybody but himself.
Am I the only who clicks on this thread with the unmerited hope that only a Razorback fan can have and that HY and the PTB came to their senses and canned Pittman?
On the other boards the consensus seems to be that HY did in fact want to can him after Auburn but either got turned down flat or told that the money was contingent on Malzahn.
Some say the chancellor and BOT stepped in. I don't know. This does seem like a BOT and chancellor type deal. I can't really imagine any actual athletics guy or people who paid attention being dumb enough to think Sam could do anything other than suck next year.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 03:01 PMOn the other boards the consensus seems to be that HY did in fact want to can him after Auburn but either got turned down flat or told that the money was contingent on Malzahn.
Some say the chancellor and BOT stepped in. I don't know. This does seem like a BOT and chancellor type deal. I can't really imagine any actual athletics guy or people who paid attention being dumb enough to think Sam could do anything other than suck next year.
If that's true then I take the first good offer to leave if I'm Yurachek. And yes he'll probably get a few offers because other schools will view Arkansas as a football graveyard and not hold it against him.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 27, 2023, 03:25 PMIf that's true then I take the first good offer to leave if I'm Yurachek. And yes he'll probably get a few offers because other schools will view Arkansas as a football graveyard and not hold it against him.
Yeah, I agree. And I cant really hold Sam's buyout against him. When the likes of Houston and Indiana are paying more that to buyout coaches, an AD can be forgiven for thinking that any school that wants to compete will pay those as a matter of course.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 27, 2023, 03:25 PMIf that's true then I take the first good offer to leave if I'm Yurachek. And yes he'll probably get a few offers because other schools will view Arkansas as a football graveyard and not hold it against him.
This is the reason I don't hold it against him.
I don't think Yurachek deserves any hate in this whole thing. We've been a clusterfuck for long enough that I have no reason to not believe any stories of any PTB meddling or demanding that the next coach be Malzahn if Yurachek wants to make a change.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 03:01 PMOn the other boards the consensus seems to be that HY did in fact want to can him after Auburn but either got turned down flat or told that the money was contingent on Malzahn.
Some say the chancellor and BOT stepped in. I don't know. This does seem like a BOT and chancellor type deal. I can't really imagine any actual athletics guy or people who paid attention being dumb enough to think Sam could do anything other than suck next year.
why are these fucks still so Gus Bus hungry? Jesus. We aren't getting him. Just move on. I know one guy on the board maybe I'll send him some hate mail
I think a big part of the problem with Arkansas is the way we pay our coaches. We have $500k limit on the salaries for state employees. So that means that the RF pays any amount over that. Well, the Foundation is getting squeezed on donations because of NIL and everything else. That means boosters have to cough up the cash and the Foundation has to cash flow it while gettjng squeezed.
Someone really should get the legislature to make an exception for coaches' salaries. We have a $170 million in revenues. We should be able to put salaries in that and as part of that. It would make us a lot less dependent on boosters and donations and make things more like business up there.
Holy shit now we want taxpayers to pay coaches salaries. Fuck that. I don't care if we lose every game. And only like $230k of his salary comes from the state currently.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 03:51 PMHoly shit now we want taxpayers to pay coaches salaries. Fuck that. I don't care if we lose every game. And only like $230k of his salary comes from the state currently.
No, quit being stupid. We want to be able to use some of the $170 million we collect every year in athletic department revenue towards his salary.
I don't blame HY on this. At the time of the contract it wasn't that out of whack for a guy showing he could compete in the SEC. Beat fucking pedophile Joe Pa assholes. Stoops, lane, others getting $9m a year.
The buyout is standard boilerplate with mitigation required. It's not sexton's fault, he repoed his contract. I wish for a coach claiming this is his last gig the buyout had been limited to a year. He would have signed. He wouldn't leave. But it is hindsight.
The blame on all this is no one other than fucking Sam and the fact he basically quit as soon as he signed. I worked for a dude that had a contract, that a naive owner agreed to, that got sideways soon after joining and shutdown for the duration of his deal. It sucked.
Fucking Sam Pittman is a fucking tent preacher televangelist do nothing shit for brains. I hate I bought in. I hate he has the drop on HY. I wish the ptb had given hy the backing to negotiate a retirement exit with a nice package all the way to firing with full mitigation to firing with cause and letting him sue. HY should pack up and leave.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 03:51 PMHoly shit now we want taxpayers to pay coaches salaries. Fuck that. I don't care if we lose every game. And only like $230k of his salary comes from the state currently.
Or it could come from the athletic budget. You know, the 170mm mentioned above.
Quote from: Hizog on Nov 27, 2023, 02:47 PMAm I the only who clicks on this thread with the unmerited hope that only a Razorback fan can have and that HY and the PTB came to their senses and canned Pittman?
I've been clicking on this thread all day for that reason. The future looks bright. Recruiting is going to suck, will lose what good players we have to the portal, win 1 game next year against UAPB, and then open the 2025 football season with a loss to Arkansas State.
We have the money.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 03:51 PMHoly shit now we want taxpayers to pay coaches salaries. Fuck that. I don't care if we lose every game. And only like $230k of his salary comes from the state currently.
agreed. The university makes shameless amounts of money off student athlete jerseys and gear even those sports the university doesn't even help financially so fuck them. They can pay. If they can sue anyone and send cease and decist orders every time woopig used to do shirts then they can go fuck themselves and pay the coaches salary somehow
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 27, 2023, 04:30 PMagreed. The university makes shameless amounts of money off student athlete jerseys and gear even those sports the university doesn't even help financially so fuck them. They can pay. If they can sue anyone and send cease and decist orders every time woopig used to do shirts then they can go fuck themselves and pay the coaches salary somehow
Taxpayers don't pay but the $170 million we make every year is "state" money and a coach is a "state" employee and thus, most of that $170 million cannot be used for coaches salaries over the maximum salary of a state employee at $500k or whatever it is forcing the school to rely on the Razorback Foundation for coaches' salaries. It was a model that worked well at Arkansas when a coach could be had for two or three million, not so much when the market is seven to ten million.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 04:12 PMWe have the money.
If we don't have the money, I'd love to know where the $170mm goes.
Quote from: Hognrock on Nov 27, 2023, 05:30 PMIf we don't have the money, I'd love to know where the $170mm goes.
We can't spend a lot of that on salaries. State employees can only make about $500k I think.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 05:49 PMWe can't spend a lot of that on salaries. State employees can only make about $500k I think.
So where does it go? Who is responsible for a buyout? The RF?
Quote from: Hognrock on Nov 27, 2023, 05:54 PMSo where does it go? Who is responsible for a buyout? The RF?
Razorback Foundation.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 27, 2023, 03:36 PMI don't think Yurachek deserves any hate in this whole thing. We've been a clusterfuck for long enough that I have no reason to not believe any stories of any PTB meddling or demanding that the next coach be Malzahn if Yurachek wants to make a change.
Why?
he is the one who gave pittman an extension with a hefty buyout that favored the coach over the school when:
1) no one was even attempting to interview pittman for any job
2) pittman said it would be his last job.
3) he talked all the shit about buyouts needing fixed and firing a coach for cause should be real.
if he was naive enough to think that 9 win season with that many super seniors was the start of a trend by a 2nd year head coach in the SEC then maybe he is in over his head too.
why did the take Sam and Hunter together to fire Enos? Why is the AD even having to be involved with the head coach's staff decisions?
What was Sam's pitch to hunter to buy another year? and why couldn't Sam lay that out in the post-Mizzou press conference when asked?
I think hunter has gotten too close to the forest to see the trees. seems he's always in the locker room pictures and videos before and after games and on the sideline during games and is more active on social media being a cheerleader than Long was.
maybe if NIL is such an issue those two should donate some of their $1 million plus salaries toward it instead of imploring a fan base of which 90 percent probably make 50% or less of what they make to pony up.
this is where college coaches/admins are out of touch - they don't have to pay for tickets/parking/food/ anything. they have no idea the time and money it takes to be a fan because they haven't had to pay for shit in over 20 years.
All of the above statements. They are asking a state full of people living in poverty to answer the call, but pricing them out of the experience of regularly attending a game.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Nov 27, 2023, 06:26 PMAll of the above statements. They are asking a state full of people living in poverty to answer the call, but pricing them out of the experience of regularly attending a game.
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That was a long bit of drivel to say that you don't believe the PTB in the background have and will continue to fuck things up. For all I know he gave the contract and buyout to help Sam with recruiting, like every school that doesn't want to appear to have a lame duck coach does, with the assurances that the money there to back it up... only to have it rug pulled late this season. At the time us hopeful idiots thought maybe Sam could continue with an 8-9 win ceiling which was good enough after the desert that was the Bert and Chad years.
You want to find a bogeyman, start with the Razorback Foundation, and line Varady up against a post.
And also yes, I haven't been to a game in years mainly because I don't want to spend the money to listen to shitty honky tonk music while we are supposed to do the hog call for some old donors. The stadium atmosphere is bad enough that, compounded with the shittier product on the field, there just isn't any way to reason spending that kind of money.
Don't get me wrong...at the time Pittman probably showed he deserved a raise for taking Chad's players and turning them into winners and fighters for a season. That 9 win season felt fucking good after the horror so take a victory lap coach...no take two. Ok now you can stop.
He then turned around and derped it up all last season to the tune of 6-6 mainly because we couldn't protect KJ. Capping that with a near loss to rising Kansas. So 7-6 on the year. Liberty bowl win yaw. Ok I'll take it.
This season we couldn't catch any breaks...lost to BYU and Miss State were the real killers. We should have won those games and didn't. That was a lack of leadership from the head coach and the men on the field. We win those games and there is grumbling about being 6-6 again. Shades of Bert blah blah but we're talking about which shitty bowl we're going to and not questioning why someone hasn't sent Pittman out a airlock. Add in this season saw our first shot in YEARS where Alabama looked human. We fucked it up and didn't win. Fucked up LSU. Pissed down our legs against a shitty Auburn team. Beat a non-bowl Florida team on the road. Pissed down our legs some more against Mizzou. You entered the season with a sure-fire 1000 yard back(s) and a senior QB that's had some really good stat lines thru his career. The defense was improved. We had a really good kicker. There was literally no excuse to go 4-8.
This staff got fucking lazy and thought they NILed they asses into some real talent is what it really comes down to. It was they that introduced the notion that the defensive line was the Philadelphia Eagles Lite. It was they that pimped and hyped the fuck out of this team suggesting they would win 8+. That was the expectation.
Also, back to the elephant, Cody Kennedy is still employed.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 27, 2023, 06:46 PMAlso, back to the elephant, Cody Kennedy is still employed.
Waiting on which program is hiring him to announce that he's "leaving" /probably
Y'all can absolve HY if you want, but I blame him for the buyout. There was absolutely ZERO need for it. Who in their right mind could think someone would hire him away from us?
I certainly don't think HY should be fired, but he should bare a big brunt of the blame for this dumpster fire we currently have.
Another kid into the portal....how many more will leave. I'd say even the players lost hope in Pittman and he's not liked
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Nov 27, 2023, 07:31 PMY'all can absolve HY if you want, but I blame him for the buyout. There was absolutely ZERO need for it. Who in their right mind could think someone would hire him away from us?
I certainly don't think HY should be fired, but he should bare a big brunt of the blame for this dumpster fire we currently have.
Co-sign
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 03:51 PMHoly shit now we want taxpayers to pay coaches salaries. Fuck that. I don't care if we lose every game. And only like $230k of his salary comes from the state currently.
Why don't you go over yonder and fuck off, he-bitch?
If you don't care if we lose every game, you are less than an actual longhorn fan to me. At least they don't pretend to like the Hogs until they might have to pay $4 more in taxes.
Go root for Auburn or LSU, take your vast knowledge of football and literally everything else in the world with you.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 27, 2023, 08:11 PMAnother kid into the portal....how many more will leave. I'd say even the players lost hope in Pittman and he's not liked
"It is better to be feared than loved if you cannot be both." Machiavelli
Sam has never been feared. He was once loved. Because he is not feared, he is no longer respected. Since he is not respected, he is no longer loved. Because he is not loved, he is now hated.
Fun stat I saw on twitter. We're 24-74 in SEC play since we fired Bobby. Maybe I'll just form a Mike Norvell cult and follow him around. The Cult of the Sacred Cornrow.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 08:17 PM"It is better to be feared than loved if you cannot be both." Machiavelli
Sam has never been feared. He was once loved. Because he is not feared, he is no longer respected. Since he is not respected, he is no longer loved. Because he is not loved, he is now hated.
he now hated, fat and a drunk. Fat people have heart attacks all the time...maybe one takes him out before next season
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 27, 2023, 08:17 PMSam has never been feared. He was once loved. Because he is not feared, he is no longer respected. Since he is not respected, he is no longer loved. Because he is not loved, he is now hated.
As I read this, I couldn't help but imagine it as the stentorian musings of the late great Richard Burton as he pondered the skull of poor Yorick.
to be clear - i'm not saying Hunter should be fired, but he got us into this mess by not thinking long term which is what his job entails as he is running a multi-million dollar business and needs to protect the stockholders' (season ticket holders and boosters) investments.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 27, 2023, 08:55 PMhe now hated, fat and a drunk. Fat people have heart attacks all the time...maybe one takes him out before next season
You can't wish heart attacks on people!
Strokes are your specialty.
The razorbacks subreddit has started deleting any post that says anything about wishing Pittman was fired, any comments about his coaching, jokes about his big tits, prospective replacements. If you react in any way you are banned and handed over to the Reddit Nazis like I was for making "threats". I'm in the house how for a week.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 28, 2023, 12:20 AMThe razorbacks subreddit has started deleting any post that says anything about wishing Pittman was fired, any comments about his coaching, jokes about his big tits, prospective replacements. If you react in any way you are banned and handed over to the Reddit Nazis like I was for making "threats". I'm in the house how for a week.
Yes it's people like you that are hurting recrooting. ::)
I've noticed lately that the Razorback reddit has turned super commie but so it most of reddit.
A look into Brendon Marion...the guy we'll probably be too cheap to bring in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPt8EGZyfb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s13y7by9mk&t=16s
Quote from: animal on Nov 28, 2023, 06:44 AMA look into Brendon Marion...the guy we'll probably be too cheap to bring in.
Or maybe he'll just turn us down because we are a shit show.
Sam is thinking Odom is his buddy here and will steer him this way. Odom could give a shit about Sam. "Coach O tell me what it's really like..." son if you get a shot any where else take that...
Sam's OC search is going to be worse than Aggy's HC process. It's going to be Guiton. What does the gig offer that's positive to any hot OC prospect? Absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 28, 2023, 08:37 AMSam is thinking Odom is his buddy here and will steer him this way. Odom could give a shit about Sam. "Coach O tell me what it's really like..." son if you get a shot any where else take that...
Sam's OC search is going to be worse than Aggy's HC process. It's going to be Guiton. What does the gig offer that's positive to any hot OC prospect? Absolutely nothing.
he will pick the bottom of the barrel regarding an oc..why would he pick Marion and be outshined and someone else get credit for doing more than him? He won't hire who we truly need. Fuck this entire program
Quote from: animal on Nov 28, 2023, 06:23 AMYes it's people like you that are hurting recrooting. ::)
I've noticed lately that the Razorback reddit has turned super commie but so it most of reddit.
It's full of nutjob libs seeking an end environmental racism, trumpers, flat earthers, and sunshine and rainbows Sam lovers.
"We need to surround Sam with (Jesus love, positive ions and feelings, undying support)".
"Sam we love you. Greatest Hog coach ever! Ever!"
"Why are any of you Sam haters even here? Ho away!"
Fuck em. They were so much fun to troll.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 28, 2023, 08:44 AMhe will pick the bottom of the barrel regarding an oc..why would he pick Marion and be outshined and someone else get credit for doing more than him? He won't hire who we truly need. Fuck this entire program
He will pick the equivalent of the Chief. Old as fuck. Not a threat to take his job. Or do well and leave for a bigtime hc job.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 28, 2023, 08:44 AMhe will pick the bottom of the barrel regarding an oc..why would he pick Marion and be outshined and someone else get credit for doing more than him? He won't hire who we truly need. Fuck this entire program
Marion has better options out there. Pittman is a dead man walking at this point.
The Elko contract. $7m 6years. Wonder what they offered mark stoops to get on the plane when he makes $9m a year thru 2029? Is that what turned the plane around. "Coach will you take $7m a year? Fuck you turn this fucker around!"
Mike Elko contract, salary: Deal for new Texas A&M coach heavy on incentives for postseason success
By Dean Straka
15h ago
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1 min read
The Mike Elko era is underway in College Station after Texas A&M hired the now-former Duke coach and ex-Aggies defensive coordinator Monday as its replacement for Jimbo Fisher, who was fired earlier in November in his sixth season guiding the program. And after Texas A&M awarded Fisher a mammoth contract -- 10 years at $75 million on the initial deal back in 2017 -- that ended with the school owing Fisher more than $77 million in buyout money, the Aggies are taking a bit of a different approach to the terms of Elko's deal.
Shortly after the introductory press conference got underway on Monday, the terms of Elko's contract with Texas A&M were revealed. The deal is for six years at $42 million in total value, which boils down to Elko having an annual salary of $7 million. The buyout on his contract is set at flat percentage, which increases at the halfway point of the deal, and there are also plenty of incentives featured. The basic terms for the Aggies' new headman are outlined below:
Six years, $42 million total value (runs through Jan. 31, 2030)
A flat-rate buyout of 75% of the contract's remaining value in Years 1-3
A flat-rate buyout of 80% of the contract's remaining value in Years 4-6
$11,000,000 staff salary pool
As far as incentives are concerned, Elko will be awarded $50,000 if named SEC Coach of the Year and $100,000 should he win a national coach of the year award. A $100,000 paycheck also comes his way for each SEC Championship Game appearance. Beyond that, Texas A&M also has included a list of postseason incentives for Elko, which are outlined below. Should Elko achieve any of the postseason incentives, he will automatically receive a one-year contract extension.
$1 million for a CFP appearance
$1.5 million for a CFP Quarterfinals appearance and/or SEC championship
$2 million for a CFP Semifinals appearance
$2.5 million for a CFP National Championship Game appearance
$3.5 million for a CFP National Championship
Elko, who was 16-9 in two seasons as the coach at Duke, will kick off his Texas A&M tenure with a marquee home matchup as the Aggies begin the 2024 season by hosting Notre Dame on Saturday, Aug. 31. Elko served as Fighting Irish defensive coordinator in 2017 before first arriving to Texas A&M as defensive coordinator in 2018.
Quote from: animal on Nov 28, 2023, 06:23 AMYes it's people like you that are hurting recrooting. ::)
I've noticed lately that the Razorback reddit has turned super commie but so it most of reddit.
So
that's where the incel bros went when they ran off from here.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 28, 2023, 09:09 AMThe Elko contract. $7m 6years. Wonder what they offered mark stoops to get on the plane when he makes $9m a year thru 2029? Is that what turned the plane around. "Coach will you take $7m a year? Fuck you turn this fucker around!"
Mike Elko contract, salary: Deal for new Texas A&M coach heavy on incentives for postseason success
By Dean Straka
15h ago
•
1 min read
The Mike Elko era is underway in College Station after Texas A&M hired the now-former Duke coach and ex-Aggies defensive coordinator Monday as its replacement for Jimbo Fisher, who was fired earlier in November in his sixth season guiding the program. And after Texas A&M awarded Fisher a mammoth contract -- 10 years at $75 million on the initial deal back in 2017 -- that ended with the school owing Fisher more than $77 million in buyout money, the Aggies are taking a bit of a different approach to the terms of Elko's deal.
Shortly after the introductory press conference got underway on Monday, the terms of Elko's contract with Texas A&M were revealed. The deal is for six years at $42 million in total value, which boils down to Elko having an annual salary of $7 million. The buyout on his contract is set at flat percentage, which increases at the halfway point of the deal, and there are also plenty of incentives featured. The basic terms for the Aggies' new headman are outlined below:
Six years, $42 million total value (runs through Jan. 31, 2030)
A flat-rate buyout of 75% of the contract's remaining value in Years 1-3
A flat-rate buyout of 80% of the contract's remaining value in Years 4-6
$11,000,000 staff salary pool
As far as incentives are concerned, Elko will be awarded $50,000 if named SEC Coach of the Year and $100,000 should he win a national coach of the year award. A $100,000 paycheck also comes his way for each SEC Championship Game appearance. Beyond that, Texas A&M also has included a list of postseason incentives for Elko, which are outlined below. Should Elko achieve any of the postseason incentives, he will automatically receive a one-year contract extension.
$1 million for a CFP appearance
$1.5 million for a CFP Quarterfinals appearance and/or SEC championship
$2 million for a CFP Semifinals appearance
$2.5 million for a CFP National Championship Game appearance
$3.5 million for a CFP National Championship
Elko, who was 16-9 in two seasons as the coach at Duke, will kick off his Texas A&M tenure with a marquee home matchup as the Aggies begin the 2024 season by hosting Notre Dame on Saturday, Aug. 31. Elko served as Fighting Irish defensive coordinator in 2017 before first arriving to Texas A&M as defensive coordinator in 2018.
Some boosters spanked the AD for the Fisher debacle, clearly. Massive guaranteed deal like that...
This is highly incentive laden. Two good years and they'll get scared of losing him and overcompensate again.
Congrats to the Aggies for figuring out now to negotiate a decent contract. They can start telling jokes about us because we gave a $13 mil as a buyout to Sam f'ing Pittman.
Just dropping in to mention that Cody Kennedy still has a job
We have a new NIL program.
No mention if they will have a link where you can share your half-eaten catfish fillets directly with the players.
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/arkansas-edge-becomes-the-official-nil-collective-for-the-university-of-arkansas/
Boy, from "players should be able to capitalize on their name and image, and the school's not involved with that" to "the school will directly set up and control funds to pay players without regard to whether they are advertising for a company" sure accelerated quickly.
Yet oddly they are both called NIL.
Fuck NIL. Fuck the portal. Fuck all these overpaid AD's and coaches. Ruined conferences and traditional rivalries. My give a damn is broken and probably not coming back. $350k for below average players who wouldn't qualify to get into the school outside of football. Pass.
Shit, I just got an email directly from Hunter himself. I don't know in exactly what capacity. Alumni Association life member probably.
Dear Razorback Nation,
It is with great anticipation and excitement that today we announce the formation of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective – the single collective to support all 465-plus Razorback student-athletes.
As new emerging priorities through NIL arise, we must evolve in the way we support our student-athletes. After blazing the trail for NIL at the University of Arkansas, the ONE Arkansas Collective will soon dissolve in an effort to clear the way for the next step of NIL at the University of Arkansas – Arkansas Edge.
The launch of Arkansas Edge also comes with a new partnership with Blueprint Sports (BPS), the leader in powering full-service NIL collectives nationwide. Our student-athletes will have the opportunity to work with the collective to fully leverage their name, image, and likeness opportunities. We encourage every fan, company, alumni and all those who support the Razorbacks to contribute to Arkansas Edge as we work together for the present and future success of Razorback Athletics.
How can you help? You can support Arkansas Edge through:
Donations: Make a tax-deductible gift via the BPS Foundation, a national 501c3 organization, to support Razorback student-athletes. Student-athletes will partner with local nonprofits to work as an advocate for charitable causes, including fulfilling that commitment personally with community service hours.
Membership: Become a member of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective today and earn exclusive benefits for your membership, including special content, merchandise, and access to events.
Corporate Sponsorship: Support ongoing NIL activities through a sponsorship and align your brand with Razorback student-athletes for endorsement deals, marketing campaigns, public appearances, autograph sessions, speaking engagements, and more.
Following on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Each and every gift makes a difference. Starting at only $25 a month, community supporters can become members of the collective and show their support for the community with brand-new merchandise showcasing the new logo. As part of its launch goal, Arkansas Edge is seeking 5,000 Razorback fans to become members at $50 a month and an additional 5,000 Razorback fans to join at $100 a month.
Thanks to a generous donation, the first $1 Million dollars raised for Arkansas Edge will be matched, resulting in a $2 million impact for the benefit of our student-athletes.
We will lead boldly, focused on our student-athletes, while galvanizing the tremendous pride and passion of Razorback Athletics. With today's announcement, we have taken the first steps in moving forward in realizing this vision and making a defining statement with our commitment to NIL.
YOU can invest in and engage directly with student-athletes like never before. Your involvement in this space will play a crucial role in our success.
Thank you for your continued support of Razorback Athletics.
Wooo Pig Sooie,
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 28, 2023, 11:33 AMShit, I just got an email directly from Hunter himself. I don't know in exactly what capacity. Alumni Association life member probably.
Dear Razorback Nation,
It is with great anticipation and excitement that today we announce the formation of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective – the single collective to support all 465-plus Razorback student-athletes.
As new emerging priorities through NIL arise, we must evolve in the way we support our student-athletes. After blazing the trail for NIL at the University of Arkansas, the ONE Arkansas Collective will soon dissolve in an effort to clear the way for the next step of NIL at the University of Arkansas – Arkansas Edge.
The launch of Arkansas Edge also comes with a new partnership with Blueprint Sports (BPS), the leader in powering full-service NIL collectives nationwide. Our student-athletes will have the opportunity to work with the collective to fully leverage their name, image, and likeness opportunities. We encourage every fan, company, alumni and all those who support the Razorbacks to contribute to Arkansas Edge as we work together for the present and future success of Razorback Athletics.
How can you help? You can support Arkansas Edge through:
Donations: Make a tax-deductible gift via the BPS Foundation, a national 501c3 organization, to support Razorback student-athletes. Student-athletes will partner with local nonprofits to work as an advocate for charitable causes, including fulfilling that commitment personally with community service hours.
Membership: Become a member of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective today and earn exclusive benefits for your membership, including special content, merchandise, and access to events.
Corporate Sponsorship: Support ongoing NIL activities through a sponsorship and align your brand with Razorback student-athletes for endorsement deals, marketing campaigns, public appearances, autograph sessions, speaking engagements, and more.
Following on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Each and every gift makes a difference. Starting at only $25 a month, community supporters can become members of the collective and show their support for the community with brand-new merchandise showcasing the new logo. As part of its launch goal, Arkansas Edge is seeking 5,000 Razorback fans to become members at $50 a month and an additional 5,000 Razorback fans to join at $100 a month.
Thanks to a generous donation, the first $1 Million dollars raised for Arkansas Edge will be matched, resulting in a $2 million impact for the benefit of our student-athletes.
We will lead boldly, focused on our student-athletes, while galvanizing the tremendous pride and passion of Razorback Athletics. With today's announcement, we have taken the first steps in moving forward in realizing this vision and making a defining statement with our commitment to NIL.
YOU can invest in and engage directly with student-athletes like never before. Your involvement in this space will play a crucial role in our success.
Thank you for your continued support of Razorback Athletics.
Wooo Pig Sooie,
If he asked me to donate to a buyout fund, I might be interested. Otherwise, he's got some balls sending that out so soon after this abortion of a season. Fuck him.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 28, 2023, 11:21 AMBoy, from "players should be able to capitalize on their name and image, and the school's not involved with that" to "the school will directly set up and control funds to pay players without regard to whether they are advertising for a company" sure accelerated quickly.
Yet oddly they are both called NIL.
Something anyone with a brain knew would happen.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Nov 28, 2023, 11:38 AMIf he asked me to donate to a buyout fund, I might be interested. Otherwise, he's got some balls sending that out so soon after this abortion of a season. Fuck him.
but that's the circular augment. you're probably fine with waiting for a big donor or two to do the heavy lifting, but when the opportunity for the average fan to sweeten the pot comes up, it's "fuck that". people wonder how ole miss or missouri have so much for nil, well this is how.
regardless of who the coach is, as long as nil is in it's current form, it's going to be all about the money.
word on the street is the OC will be announced either today or tomorrow.
I have negative hopes for a good hire.
If you have a big hire, just fucking announce it.
Also, wut mean?
https://x.com/DrewBandz3/status/1729553414240055557?s=20
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 28, 2023, 11:33 AMShit, I just got an email directly from Hunter himself. I don't know in exactly what capacity. Alumni Association life member probably.
Dear Razorback Nation,
It is with great anticipation and excitement that today we announce the formation of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective – the single collective to support all 465-plus Razorback student-athletes.
As new emerging priorities through NIL arise, we must evolve in the way we support our student-athletes. After blazing the trail for NIL at the University of Arkansas, the ONE Arkansas Collective will soon dissolve in an effort to clear the way for the next step of NIL at the University of Arkansas – Arkansas Edge.
The launch of Arkansas Edge also comes with a new partnership with Blueprint Sports (BPS), the leader in powering full-service NIL collectives nationwide. Our student-athletes will have the opportunity to work with the collective to fully leverage their name, image, and likeness opportunities. We encourage every fan, company, alumni and all those who support the Razorbacks to contribute to Arkansas Edge as we work together for the present and future success of Razorback Athletics.
How can you help? You can support Arkansas Edge through:
Donations: Make a tax-deductible gift via the BPS Foundation, a national 501c3 organization, to support Razorback student-athletes. Student-athletes will partner with local nonprofits to work as an advocate for charitable causes, including fulfilling that commitment personally with community service hours.
Membership: Become a member of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective today and earn exclusive benefits for your membership, including special content, merchandise, and access to events.
Corporate Sponsorship: Support ongoing NIL activities through a sponsorship and align your brand with Razorback student-athletes for endorsement deals, marketing campaigns, public appearances, autograph sessions, speaking engagements, and more.
Following on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Each and every gift makes a difference. Starting at only $25 a month, community supporters can become members of the collective and show their support for the community with brand-new merchandise showcasing the new logo. As part of its launch goal, Arkansas Edge is seeking 5,000 Razorback fans to become members at $50 a month and an additional 5,000 Razorback fans to join at $100 a month.
Thanks to a generous donation, the first $1 Million dollars raised for Arkansas Edge will be matched, resulting in a $2 million impact for the benefit of our student-athletes.
We will lead boldly, focused on our student-athletes, while galvanizing the tremendous pride and passion of Razorback Athletics. With today's announcement, we have taken the first steps in moving forward in realizing this vision and making a defining statement with our commitment to NIL.
YOU can invest in and engage directly with student-athletes like never before. Your involvement in this space will play a crucial role in our success.
Thank you for your continued support of Razorback Athletics.
Wooo Pig Sooie,
I got the same one. And I am sure a lot of other people on this board did also. This is obviously what Sam had in mind when he alluded to changes in the NIL program this weekend.
One surprise in there-- your donation to this collective is tax deductible? I thought that benefit had been eliminated.
So we have someone who has agreed to match the first million. That is good, but I just wonder how many millions this will take on an annual basis.
I'd like to see the Go Go come to Fayetteville but I can certainly understand if the guy has better offers. He's more or less a "Gus" guy and may have been assured he's gonna get taken care of in ways other places may not.
This whole idea of telling players it's what you do without the ball in your hands that determines their worth to their teammates...that's some deep stuff
It'll be someone completely off our radar.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 28, 2023, 12:42 PMIt'll be someone completely off our radar.
Adam Gase has entered the chat
I'm hearing Gary Crowton, and he will incorporate some spread elements.
Keep this here.
Since this is "name, image, and likeness" and worth millions, shouldn't we be inundated with commercials and ads bearing the names, images, and likenesses of college football players from sea to shining sea?
Somebody is probably getting rich funneling great gobs of money to ad agencies or something. I have no idea how the graft works in that business.
This is a typical "camel's nose under the tent" idea that just keeps sounding worse.
I don't care enough to pay college players. I will graciously watch their ads - hey, if nobody watches the ads are worth nothing.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 28, 2023, 11:32 AMFuck NIL. Fuck the portal. Fuck all these overpaid AD's and coaches. Ruined conferences and traditional rivalries. My give a damn is broken and probably not coming back. $350k for below average players who wouldn't qualify to get into the school outside of football. Pass.
you hate everyone and everything
I just had a brilliant idea. Hire a black lesbian OC. That will show Walmart we are the wokest of them all and they will pay for everything.
I bet you could find one that would do no worse than this year. If she scores 7 points on Miss State that is improvement.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 28, 2023, 12:42 PMIt'll be someone completely off our radar.
No doubt. Pittman probably has been turned down a dozen times and we'll end up with some nobody that inspires no one.
What's frustrating is he probably had enough goodwill and momentum to make a good hire last year, but he went with the lazy route and just brought back Enos without any thought for how bad a fit that was.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 28, 2023, 11:33 AMShit, I just got an email directly from Hunter himself. I don't know in exactly what capacity. Alumni Association life member probably.
Dear Razorback Nation,
It is with great anticipation and excitement that today we announce the formation of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective – the single collective to support all 465-plus Razorback student-athletes.
As new emerging priorities through NIL arise, we must evolve in the way we support our student-athletes. After blazing the trail for NIL at the University of Arkansas, the ONE Arkansas Collective will soon dissolve in an effort to clear the way for the next step of NIL at the University of Arkansas – Arkansas Edge.
The launch of Arkansas Edge also comes with a new partnership with Blueprint Sports (BPS), the leader in powering full-service NIL collectives nationwide. Our student-athletes will have the opportunity to work with the collective to fully leverage their name, image, and likeness opportunities. We encourage every fan, company, alumni and all those who support the Razorbacks to contribute to Arkansas Edge as we work together for the present and future success of Razorback Athletics.
How can you help? You can support Arkansas Edge through:
Donations: Make a tax-deductible gift via the BPS Foundation, a national 501c3 organization, to support Razorback student-athletes. Student-athletes will partner with local nonprofits to work as an advocate for charitable causes, including fulfilling that commitment personally with community service hours.
Membership: Become a member of Arkansas Edge NIL Collective today and earn exclusive benefits for your membership, including special content, merchandise, and access to events.
Corporate Sponsorship: Support ongoing NIL activities through a sponsorship and align your brand with Razorback student-athletes for endorsement deals, marketing campaigns, public appearances, autograph sessions, speaking engagements, and more.
Following on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Each and every gift makes a difference. Starting at only $25 a month, community supporters can become members of the collective and show their support for the community with brand-new merchandise showcasing the new logo. As part of its launch goal, Arkansas Edge is seeking 5,000 Razorback fans to become members at $50 a month and an additional 5,000 Razorback fans to join at $100 a month.
Thanks to a generous donation, the first $1 Million dollars raised for Arkansas Edge will be matched, resulting in a $2 million impact for the benefit of our student-athletes.
We will lead boldly, focused on our student-athletes, while galvanizing the tremendous pride and passion of Razorback Athletics. With today's announcement, we have taken the first steps in moving forward in realizing this vision and making a defining statement with our commitment to NIL.
YOU can invest in and engage directly with student-athletes like never before. Your involvement in this space will play a crucial role in our success.
Thank you for your continued support of Razorback Athletics.
Wooo Pig Sooie,
fuck him to send this out after the y game so quickly.
Also I really doubt any of these fucking athletes are gonna be doing an ounce of community service. Whatever. So on top of ticket prices/season tickets they are pushing for alumni to donate to this shit? No.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 28, 2023, 10:17 AMSome boosters spanked the AD for the Fisher debacle, clearly. Massive guaranteed deal like that...
This is highly incentive laden. Two good years and they'll get scared of losing him and overcompensate again.
Congrats to the Aggies for figuring out now to negotiate a decent contract. They can start telling jokes about us because we gave a $13 mil as a buyout to Sam f'ing Pittman.
Guarantee Mark Stoops wasn't taking that deal and neither were any of "the 30 coaches" they spoke to except Traylor. The bonuses for CFP wins are pretty superfluous. It's not what it would have taken for stoops who makes $9mil at Kentucky.
The main question with that is the same as with all non profits. Of every dollar, how many cents actually makes it to the athletes and how many go to the administrative employees?
Can't wait to see what Chan Gailey does with this bunch.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 28, 2023, 12:42 PMIt'll be someone completely off our radar.
the guy from arizona maybe, brennan carrol. his name is getting mentioned. their offense improved quite a bit under this guy the last two seasons.
was oc and ol coach. pete's kid.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2023, 12:59 PMthe guy from arizona maybe, brennan carrol. his name is getting mentioned. their offense improved quite a bit under this guy the last two seasons.
was oc and ol coach. pete's kid.
Apparently some of the players are following him on twitter/X
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 28, 2023, 11:51 AMbut that's the circular augment. you're probably fine with waiting for a big donor or two to do the heavy lifting, but when the opportunity for the average fan to sweeten the pot comes up, it's "fuck that". people wonder how ole miss or missouri have so much for nil, well this is how.
regardless of who the coach is, as long as nil is in it's current form, it's going to be all about the money.
If you want to send the email, OK fine. How about wait maybe until the stench of getting blown-out by Mizzou wears off. Maybe lets hire an OC, get the fans fired up about that THEN send out the email? Or maybe HY knows the OC hire will be some retread that no one will like, so he decided to hit us now before the crap hire.
Guarantee ya Marvin Caston runs One Arkansas into the ground.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 28, 2023, 12:53 PMfuck him to send this out after the y game so quickly.
Also I really doubt any of these fucking athletes are gonna be doing an ounce of community service. Whatever. So on top of ticket prices/season tickets they are pushing for alumni to donate to this shit? No.
Uhh what community service is required of you in your private job? There is nothing in the concept of NIL that requires a player to go to an old folks home, Visit dying kids, or teach ESL classes to illegals. If the coach makes them do any of that it's just pr.
I do have questions as to how basically a moneybag to a player is a tax deductible donation. Is that 1099 income? Hey Pooh are you filing quarterly with the irs? Also I want full transparency made law on these. How much does a golfer make or lady field hockey player make? How much is KJ making? How much is that shitty 62 making? Also I would want the ability to go to the app and deduct money from 62 every time he whiffs a block or jumps the snap. That should be tracked on the broadcast on the sidebar.
I know Yuri didn't want to announce that nil program after such a shitty game and situation but he had to get it out there for recruiting and retention.
And this is how the entire college sports game is now played. If you don't like it go watch D3 ball but they have nil as well I guess. And the big programs in the sec are fueled by small donations from non-alumni and small $ alumni fans. You want a big time competitive program saying fuck no is just cementing the program into eternal shitsville.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Nov 28, 2023, 01:21 PMIf you want to send the email, OK fine. How about wait maybe until the stench of getting blown-out by Mizzou wears off. Maybe lets hire an OC, get the fans fired up about that THEN send out the email? Or maybe HY knows the OC hire will be some retread that no one will like, so he decided to hit us now before the crap hire.
The timing has nothing to do with you. It has to to with recruiting. HY should have capped Sam for spilling the beans inadvertently the other day.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 28, 2023, 01:23 PMGuarantee ya Marvin Caston runs One Arkansas into the ground.
Guarantee you didn't read the email on here about NIL. If you had, you would know that One Arkansas is being dissolved.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 28, 2023, 01:23 PMGuarantee ya Marvin Caston runs One Arkansas into the ground.
He already did. That was the problem.
Quote from: BASS on Oct 04, 2023, 04:05 PMI wish our fans weren't a big collection of retards
As I have said many times, our fans aren't any worse than any other team's fans.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 29, 2023, 01:08 PMAs I have said many times, our fans aren't any worse than any other team's fans.
We're ALL big collections of retards!!!
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 29, 2023, 01:15 PMWe're ALL big collections of retards!!!
Caring much about college sports that you don't have relatives or someone you know personally involved was sort of dumb back when they were on the sly mercenaries for hire, much less now that they have gone out in the open.
I sometimes get on to myself for caring so much but I still do it.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 29, 2023, 03:08 PMCaring much about college sports that you don't have relatives or someone you know personally involved was sort of dumb back when they were on the sly mercenaries for hire, much less now that they have gone out in the open.
I know this collection of words must have meaning, but for the life of me, I can't find it.
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Dec 29, 2023, 04:35 PMI know this collection have words must have meaning, but for the life of me, I can't find it.
Much like your own word salad. It has meaning to the OP and means nothing to the vast majority of us.
This brings me to the SI "articles" all the sudden bombarding my phone night and day that I never asked for (Google)...I could have written much of that meaningless directionless nothing burger of articles. The AI machines need to do better.
Quote from: animal on Dec 29, 2023, 04:39 PMMuch like your own word salad. It has meaning to the OP and means nothing to the vast majority of us.
This brings me to the SI "articles" all the sudden bombarding my phone night and day that I never asked for (Google)...I could have written much of that meaningless directionless nothing burger of articles. The AI machines need to do better.
There's a new one for the basketball team.
In summary, the team we're playing beat Kentucky, we've been practicing, we're going to play the game and try to win.
And that's basically it.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 29, 2023, 04:51 PMThere's a new one for the basketball team.
In summary, the team we're playing beat Kentucky, we've been practicing, we're going to play the game and try to win.
And that's basically it.
I saw that one and thought of Colonel Jessup.
"Tell me there's something more. Tell me you haven't pinned your clients' hopes, on a phone bill."
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Dec 29, 2023, 04:35 PMI know this collection of words must have meaning, but for the life of me, I can't find it.
God damn people in Arkansas really are slower.
Up until a few years ago you could readily con yourself into believing most of these athletes actually gave a shit about who they played for because they were getting paid under the table. Now that they are open mercenaries believing they care about anything other than money is like believing in Santa.
Ergo, getting wrapped around the axle about their results is a waste of time.
"Mercenaries" does have 4 syllables. If you don't want to look it up, substitute whores. I went with "ergo" because it is shorter than "therefore" but sub if you like.
It is fun conversing with dumber people sometimes but they need to remember their place.
Damn that sonic banana milk shake I had a couple hours ago is really cleaning me out. Can a feller get lactose intolerant in old age?
Quote from: animal on Dec 29, 2023, 05:16 PMDamn that sonic banana milk shake I had a couple hours ago is really cleaning me out. Can a feller get lactose intolerant in old age?
At least it tasted better than the colonoscopy stuff I guess.
Quote from: animal on Dec 29, 2023, 05:16 PMDamn that sonic banana milk shake I had a couple hours ago is really cleaning me out. Can a feller get lactose intolerant in old age?
That was the chili cheese coney.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 29, 2023, 05:18 PMAt least it tasted better than the colonoscopy stuff I guess.
This is me next Sunday. Yay.
Quote from: Papa Pigeritus on Dec 29, 2023, 06:11 PMThat was the chili cheese coney.
I only had the shake. Now an hour or so before that I had a big mac but I mean who gets sick off a big mac. I'm still a bit woozy...kind of fucked me up a for a bit. Now I got a headache...think I'm getting somebodies covid flue crud from the office. I should probably go out and get some Pepto.
Quote from: BASS on Dec 30, 2023, 11:49 AMThis is me next Sunday. Yay.
You get some great pics though. Since we've been told we are all about dead we should have a colonoscopy thread and post pics.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 31, 2023, 07:28 PMYou get some great pics though. Since we've been told we are all about dead we should have a colonoscopy thread and post pics.
8x10 glossies.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Dec 31, 2023, 07:40 PM8x10 glossies.
With circles an arrows on the back of each one, explaining what each one was.
I hope Jesus comes back or the muslims kill us all before the pics can be posted.
Quote from: jethro on Dec 31, 2023, 08:29 PMWith circles an arrows on the back of each one, explaining what each one was.
I prefer Olan Mills style with a faded headshot superimposed in the top left corner.
Looks great next to polyps.
Quote from: animal on Dec 29, 2023, 05:16 PMDamn that sonic banana milk shake I had a couple hours ago is really cleaning me out. Can a feller get lactose intolerant in old age?
don't ever eat the shakes/ice cream from there. It's probably never cleaned and has mold and bacteria always growing in it. Will kill you
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Jan 02, 2024, 02:10 PMdon't ever eat the shakes/ice cream from there. It's probably never cleaned and has mold and bacteria always growing in it. Will kill you
good thing Sir Fleming wasn't as narrow-minded as you
I checked the wiki for him to make sure I remembered the right guy and he used a "mould". Maybe that is different.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Jan 02, 2024, 02:10 PMdon't ever eat the shakes/ice cream from there. It's probably never cleaned and has mold and bacteria always growing in it. Will kill you
There is definitely a correlation between me having a race with the devil to the toilet and me consuming a Sonic treat. Same thing happens anytime I eat fruit out of my parents refrigerator...an hour or two later I'm dying on the toilet. I guess as I am getting older my gut just can't take a little ecoli
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 27, 2023, 11:40 AMLebby and Briles gonna have KJ as a Heisman finalist next year.
@TC Well this is close enough
Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2024, 04:31 PM@TC
Well this is close enough
That was clearly a joke when it was known Briles was trying to leave. I know you don't follow football, but those two coaches are at different schools. The autism rate here and not understanding social cues is off the charts.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 22, 2024, 05:20 PMThat was clearly a joke when it was known Briles was trying to leave. I know you don't follow football, but those two coaches are at different schools. The autism rate here and not understanding social cues is off the charts.
Ohhh, going with the, "Hey I was just kidding around fellas," defense. Bold strategy, Cotton.
Just say you don't know football bro. Your Heisman finalist is now a 3rd stringer at a middle Florida school.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 22, 2024, 05:20 PMThat was clearly a joke when it was known Briles was trying to leave. I know you don't follow football, but those two coaches are at different schools. The autism rate here and not understanding social cues is off the charts.
The time stamp on that quote is Nov 27, 2023. Do you think Briles was our OC last year?
Quote from: hit_that_line on Oct 22, 2024, 05:20 PMThe autism rate here
is what makes this the best Razorback-related board.
Quote from: wmr on Oct 22, 2024, 09:28 PMis what makes this the best Razorback-related board.
Have you read P&R and the Travel Channel forums? Our autism is more than just the Razorbacks.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 23, 2024, 08:59 AMHave you read P&R and the Travel Channel forums? Our autism is more than just the Razorbacks.
It's full-blown Asperger's at this point.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Jan 02, 2024, 02:10 PMdon't ever eat the shakes/ice cream from there. It's probably never cleaned and has mold and bacteria always growing in it. Will kill you
You can say that about practically any ice machine in a restaurant. They are all massive colonies of black and green mold.
Time to reignite this thread.
We need to move on from Pittman. Pittman isn't budging. Yurachek is a dickless coward, just as he always has been. Apparently 6-6 in year 5 is A-okay for this program, even on the heels of 4-8.
Pittman still has some supporters in this fan base. He's "one of us" who loves the helmet. Nutt part deux, even down to the unwavering media support.
Can we ever have a coaching change without having to burn down the fucking program in the process?
They won't make a change until they see they are playing in an empty stadium and not selling many season tickets.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 02, 2024, 07:15 PMThey won't make a change until they see they are playing in an empty stadium and not selling many season tickets.
Or cashing in on Yuri's brilliant 3% tariff.
I still don't see it happening at 6-6
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1852792342190932478
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 07:08 PMTime to reignite this thread.
We need to move on from Pittman. Pittman isn't budging. Yurachek is a dickless coward, just as he always has been. Apparently 6-6 in year 5 is A-okay for this program, even on the heels of 4-8.
Pittman still has some supporters in this fan base. He's "one of us" who loves the helmet. Nutt part deux, even down to the unwavering media support.
Can we ever have a coaching change without having to burn down the fucking program in the process?
Even Biddy, who without a doubt and by large measure has the highest IQ of the Hog beat and asks the "tough" questions, admittedly shied away today. He said in his walk and talk that it wouldn't do any good to come down on Sam by peppering him with a lot of questions "that we all know the answers to."
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
It's beyond time to change that narrative. Grill him. Send out an APB on Heresyourcheck after a loss. Ask him some questions. You know, do your damn job as a journalist.
Otherwise, it's gonna be more sunshine and rainbow farts when we "make the postseason" in lovely Shrevepit.
When we go to a bowl at 6-6, they will push that shit like we are in the final 4. Anything to make it look like we should keep that fat fuck.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 02, 2024, 08:01 PMI still don't see it happening at 6-6
You just know if it hurts us more long term that this will be the one year we beat Missouri, then we will lose another 5 in a row to them.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 02, 2024, 08:03 PMEven Biddy, who without a doubt and by large measure has the highest IQ of the Hog beat and asks the "tough" questions, admittedly shied away today. He said in his walk and talk that it wouldn't do any good to come down on Sam by peppering him with a lot of questions "that we all know the answers to."
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
It's beyond time to change that narrative. Grill him. Send out an APB on Heresyourcheck after a loss. Ask him some questions. You know, do your damn job as a journalist.
Otherwise, it's gonna be more sunshine and rainbow farts when we "make the postseason" in lovely Shrevepit.
i disagree. if you listened to his comments about pittman losing supporters after today, then why bother with the the obvious? the fans know it's a clusterfuck, the boosters know it's a clusterfuck, and pittman knows it too.
you're only going to get the same coach speak, clueless answers. what exactly do you think pittman's response would be to tougher questions at this point? i think that's what biddy was saying.
imo i don't think it's about getting a pound of flesh, it's about him getting gone.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 02, 2024, 08:06 PMWhen we go to a bowl at 6-6, they will push that shit like we are in the final 4. Anything to make it look like we should keep that fat fuck.
You know you want to spend New Year's Eve Eve Eve Eve Eve in lovely downtown Birmingham.
It's just a real treat for the keeids and the fans. It gives us a chance to keep working on the thangs we need to work on.
I just can't see Sam coming back. I wonder if that "...win one more and hold your head high" talk wasn't more about the way he wants to go out than what is acceptable for the team and program?
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 07:08 PMTime to reignite this thread.
We need to move on from Pittman. Pittman isn't budging. Yurachek is a dickless coward, just as he always has been. Apparently 6-6 in year 5 is A-okay for this program, even on the heels of 4-8.
Pittman still has some supporters in this fan base. He's "one of us" who loves the helmet. Nutt part deux, even down to the unwavering media support.
Can we ever have a coaching change without having to burn down the fucking program in the process?
It's not an accident that HY put out a state of the union address about the program needing to find new revenue streams to help pay past players royalties on NIL. I feel like that was the building blocks for telling everyone we can't fire Tittboss.
Quote from: animal on Nov 02, 2024, 08:22 PMIt's not an accident that HY put out a state of the union address about the program needing to find new revenue streams to help pay past players royalties on NIL. I feel like that was the building blocks for telling everyone we can't fire Tittboss.
Or we need the money for buyouts and a new coach.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 02, 2024, 08:14 PMi disagree. if you listened to his comments about pittman losing supporters after today, then why bother with the the obvious? the fans know it's a clusterfuck, the boosters know it's a clusterfuck, and pittman knows it too.
you're only going to get the same coach speak, clueless answers. what exactly do you think pittman's response would be to tougher questions at this point? i think that's what biddy was saying.
imo i don't think it's about getting a pound of flesh, it's about him getting gone.
Yeah, I took Biddy's comments as an insinuation that they all think Pittman is a dumbass and completely lost and in over his head, and that grilling him isn't going to make a difference.
I'm not sure I totally agree with the "it wouldn't make a difference" stance, though. I think you grill him until you get some sort of Captain Queeg moment (Caine Mutiny reference) where he goes off the rails and leaves Yurachek no choice.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 02, 2024, 08:01 PMI still don't see it happening at 6-6
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1852792342190932478
Really disappointed that none of our guys took a late shot on Dart. He shit talked them all game. Obviously none of that bothered our defense.
Quote from: animal on Nov 02, 2024, 08:22 PMIt's not an accident that HY put out a state of the union address about the program needing to find new revenue streams to help pay past players royalties on NIL. I feel like that was the building blocks for telling everyone we can't fire Tittboss.
but he has to weigh keeping pittman against the fans and boosters not paying for the same old shit. that could very well cost more in the both near and definitely in the long term.
You can't overpay for a good coach and any amount of money is too much for a bad one.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 08:29 PMYeah, I took Biddy's comments as an insinuation that they all think Pittman is a dumbass and completely lost and in over his head, and that grilling him isn't going to make a difference.
I'm not sure I totally agree with the "it wouldn't make a difference" stance, though. I think you grill him until you get some sort of Captain Queeg moment (Caine Mutiny reference) where he goes off the rails and leaves Yurachek no choice.
Yes! See my response above.
Biddy is honestly the only hope among that crew.
Maybe Yurachek is Markuson. He's always going UA when the going gets tough.
If Pittman's back next year, he and Yurachek are both gone in 2025 a la Bert and Long in 2017.
Yurachek's dumber than I think he is if he's banking his career on a 63 year old coach who can't recruit, coach, motivate, win close games, or win at home.
Just grill him long and hard enough that he and his wife get their feelings hurt enough that he walks.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 02, 2024, 08:33 PMMaybe Yurachek is Markuson. He's always going UA when the going gets tough.
Exactly. Yurachek is a gutless coward.
I've hated him since the Morris years when he went AWOL for 2 years while our football program circled the drain, save for his stupid ass "real Hog fans" tweet after one of Chad's many embarrassing losses.
He's a loser who runs away whenever times are tough, yet he's front and center in any Hogs+ content the moment we win.
I'm glad DVH keeps his ass away from the baseball program, otherwise he'd bring his stupid performative bullshit to the baseball postgame huddles.
If he sticks around another year, he is going to have to find another lake house in another state when he retires.
This really is starting to play out eerily similar to the end of the Nutt error era.
Sam just isn't as narcissistic or arrogant. Unfortunately, we won't be so lucky to have Ole Miss take the guy off our hands this time.
And I just remembered it's Markinson from the movie, not Markuson.
Those MSM hangers-on come at you so fast it just messes you up.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 02, 2024, 08:57 PMThis really is starting to play out eerily similar to the end of the Nutt error era.
Sam just isn't as narcissistic or arrogant. Unfortunately, we won't be so lucky to have Ole Miss take the guy off our hands this time.
I said this in a different thread (or maybe this one, whatever), but can we ever make a coaching change in football without having to burn the fucking program to the ground in the process?
And Sam is exactly like Nutt, down to the vocal supporters in the media (led by Chuck and Bo) who assure us he's the best we can get and we need to be happy with 6-6.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 09:01 PMI said this in a different thread (or maybe this one, whatever), but can we ever make a coaching change in football without having to burn the fucking program to the ground in the process?
We are never proactive, only reactive. And our fucking reflexes are really slow and bad.
If someone really wants to take Hunter out at his knees, now would be the perfect time to go after his recent announcement that he's taking basketball seats away from regular fans next year.
Publicize that the right way, and he may not be able to dig out of the hole.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 09:01 PMI said this in a different thread (or maybe this one, whatever), but can we ever make a coaching change in football without having to burn the fucking program to the ground in the process?
And Sam is exactly like Nutt, down to the vocal supporters in the media (led by Chuck and Bo) who assure us he's the best we can get and we need to be happy with 6-6.
Pounding Dirk's drum, no doubt Sexton is a common denominator. Is S(limiest)CD a math term?
Sam probably would've honored his original word that we wouldn't have to get rid of him if that worm wasn't in the picture.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Nov 02, 2024, 09:06 PMIf someone really wants to take Hunter out at his knees, now would be the perfect time to go after his recent announcement that he's taking basketball seats away from regular fans next year.
Publicize that the right way, and he may not be able to dig out of the hole.
And double down with the new 3% tariff.
SEC has figured out William's defense. It hasn't been the same since the bye week.
I think the offense is gradually improving even though the oline is still trash. I'm not ready to give up on Petrino yet, we knew it would take time.
I'd be okay with Odom coming in and retaining Petrino.
And hiring a GM to take care of NIL since they're not great recruiters, but I think they're good enough X and O coaches to make-up for lack of talent.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 02, 2024, 09:17 PMSEC has figured out William's defense. It hasn't been the same since the bye week.
I think it's one of those defenses you can decipher easily after a few games.
Same thing happened last year. Outside of a scant few games our defense was warmed over shit, culminating in giving up 116 combined in our last 3 games (all of which were at home).
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 09:24 PMI think it's one of those defenses you can decipher easily after a few games.
Same thing happened last year. Outside of a scant few games our defense was warmed over shit, culminating in giving up 116 combined in our last 3 games (all of which were at home).
I still would like to have seen us at least try more pressure today. Maybe I missed it if it happened again, but the only time we tried it was their only three and out of the game.
We have the worst coach in the conference don't we?
If not, he's bottom 2 or 3
Who is worse, Freeze? That's the only possibility.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 02, 2024, 10:10 PMWho is worse, Freeze? That's the only possibility.
Freeze has at least won a bit, has a Sugar and Peach Bowl, and beat Bama twice.
He's miles better than Pittman.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 10:47 PMFreeze has at least won a bit, has a Sugar and Peach Bowl, and beat Bama twice.
He's miles better than Pittman.
I agree.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 10:47 PMFreeze has at least won a bit, has a Sugar and Peach Bowl, and beat Bama twice.
He's miles better than Pittman.
ask auburn fans what they think about those games. doesn't mean a fucking thing to them.
or kentucky fans about stoops going 17-18 since his raise.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 02, 2024, 09:24 PMI think it's one of those defenses you can decipher easily after a few games.
Same thing happened last year. Outside of a scant few games our defense was warmed over shit, culminating in giving up 116 combined in our last 3 games (all of which were at home).
But is it his scheme or do we not have the talent or IQ for him to do what he really wants?
Whoever we hire can NOT be an "Oh gosh darn, you tried hard"...That shit does not work. It doesn't. it simply breeds corner cutting and laziness.
You can see it on the field and know what our practices look like. When was the last time we were GOOD? It was under a fire breathing micro-manager that demanded everything be perfect. The whole "Aim small, miss small". Demand perfection and if you fail, you typically end up pretty fucking close. Aim for mediocrity and you more than often fail and end up with pig shit. That is what we are in now.
Does Petrino have full control over the line coach? This year has been such a fail that I don't even notice if we do the alternating line thing that he did before.
My preseason prediction was 4-8 with wins over the usual suspects plus MissState.
The close loss to eATMe and the win at Auburn gave me a glimmer of hope and the win over the Vols gave me visions of Hope her own damnself.
Then LSU and Ole Miss pulled our pants down, took off their belts and whipped our ass in front of God and country.
So, now I'm back in the land of reality with a raw ass and the slightly comforting thought that--unless we step on our own dick against LaTech--we'll finish 6-6 and get to go to Fred's Discount Furniture Bowl on December 9th.
All this to say, I'm grateful to Sam for bringing us from where we were to where we are but he has long since banged his head against his own ceiling and it's time for him to move on.
It amazes me how we always have a shitty secondary, and haven't had a good oline in a while.
Quote from: Gambler on Nov 03, 2024, 11:06 AMIt amazes me how we always have a shitty secondary, and haven't had a good oline in a while.
So we can't recruit big guys or small guys?
If it makes you feel any better we can't get middle sized guys like LBs either
Quote from: egregious on Nov 03, 2024, 03:42 PMSo we can't recruit big guys or small guys?
If it makes you feel any better we can't get middle sized guys like LBs either
We did get one pretty good middle sized guy in Sorey, but the next time he takes a good angle on a blitz will be the first.
Quote from: FNG on Nov 03, 2024, 07:57 AMMy preseason prediction was 4-8 with wins over the usual suspects plus MissState.
The close loss to eATMe and the win at Auburn gave me a glimmer of hope and the win over the Vols gave me visions of Hope her own damnself.
Then LSU and Ole Miss pulled our pants down, took off their belts and whipped our ass in front of God and country.
So, now I'm back in the land of reality with a raw ass and the slightly comforting thought that--unless we step on our own dick against LaTech--we'll finish 6-6 and get to go to Fred's Discount Furniture Bowl on December 9th.
All this to say, I'm grateful to Sam for bringing us from where we were to where we are but he has long since banged his head against his own ceiling and it's time for him to move on.
This is about my stance as well. I think it's time to go. I don't hate him and don't want to but the game has passed him by. He's made more money here than he ever dreamed of of before we pulled up our skirt. Even though this season is going about how I thought it would, it's just prolonging the inevitable. Hopefully, he would negotiate a reasonable buyout, but he won't.
https://x.com/Jegreenwood1/status/1853169666623262752
Random guy on the internet...there's smoke here for sure. He lost me when he suggested that Twill was a potential interim choice.
Quote from: animal on Nov 03, 2024, 06:14 PMhttps://x.com/Jegreenwood1/status/1853169666623262752
Random guy on the internet...there's smoke here for sure. He lost me when he suggested that Twill was a potential interim choice.
TWill is a big motivator, so another rah-rah guy.
Fact is, our best success was under hard-nosed guys. Frank, Holtz, Bobby.
I don't understand anyone still dickriding T-Will as a serious option, at least not at this point in his career. If we were a top-4 SEC defense just out scheming every opponent then maybe I'd change my tune. 12th in the SEC last year and 15th this year ain't cutting it, no matter how much I want him to be a success here. It has to be Bobby's job to turn down first.
Personally, I think we should revisit my idea of Bobby just executing a hostile takeover of the Athletic Department and declaring himself our Caesar.
We actually have idiots on Twitter complaining that we fired KB.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 03, 2024, 06:21 PMWe actually have idiots on Twitter complaining that we fired KB.
Even though we're 6th in points per game in the SEC right now?
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 03, 2024, 06:21 PMWe actually have idiots on Twitter complaining that we fired KB.
Keith Burns is not walking thru that door.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 03, 2024, 06:23 PMEven though we're 6th in points per game in the SEC right now?
You couldn't get anyone to say they wanted to keep Briles. His red zone play calling was atrocious. Play calling has not been our problem this year. We're putting up 33ppg with arguably the worst OL in the league.
that dude has as much credibility as prj did. a zoom call on a sunday and not one legit media member has anything to say about it?
there's literally nothing he has posted that has come to pass. even the pay boards make fun of the guy.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 03, 2024, 06:34 PMYou couldn't get anyone to say they wanted to keep Briles. His red zone play calling was atrocious. Play calling has not been our problem this year. We're putting up 33ppg with arguably the worst OL in the league.
And our QB play has been...not great and yes that falls on Petrino. The playcalling has be FAR better than the execution. We have dudes running wide fucking open very often and they don't get the ball. Improved QB play and we are probably 2TD/game better.
Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Nov 03, 2024, 06:39 PMAnd our QB play has been...not great and yes that falls on Petrino. The playcalling has be FAR better than the execution. We have dudes running wide fucking open very often and they don't get the ball. Improved QB play and we are probably 2TD/game better.
That's the story of our offense.
We have guys open and our QB either can't hit them or simply doesn't seem them.
Recruiting Green in the first place is on Petrino, but as of now he's simply a faster KJ with a better personality and leadership abilities.
I don't want to dunk on the kid, but we've won 4 FBS games this year and he's been ass in almost all of them. He didn't play for the crucial parts of our biggest win (Tennessee). He was ass during the Auburn and UAB games. The only game he's looked good in was the Mississippi State game, and they're the worst defense in the country by a mile.
I'm at the point where I think we sell out for the future and start giving Singleton first team reps.
Not to be a Petrino apologist, but I do think he's probably been hamstrung by some of Pittman's reserved policies/personality whatever. Could BP at the helm be the difference in another win or two this year, I'd like to think so. But, I don't think he's the answer as next HC, unless it's interim.
There is still a policy problem with hiring BP again as head coach. I have forgotten the details, but it seems like it is something about him not being rehired in his old position since he was canned for cause.
Could floating TWill's name as head coach simply be a way around that? Not at all sure.
I just wonder if Bobby really wants the head job back. He's definitely mellowed, is making good money, and seems happy where he is.
I'd like to see some "continuity" on offense with Petrino back next season. I don't really care if the HC and DC are here though. I'm not convinced Petrino wants the HC gig but a year under Pittman has to be making him rethink some of those things or it's solidifying how fucked the job has become. We'll know more about that in the coming month or two.
Green I'm a bit up and down on...I think the guy has some talent but not sure he's got the head for the gig. We'll never know if we can't protect him any better than we are...that being the biggest failure of this head coach being his lines all suck and pretty always did with the exception of maybe one or two seasons under Bert.
Quote from: animal on Nov 03, 2024, 08:06 PMI'd like to see some "continuity" on offense with Petrino back next season. I don't really care if the HC and DC are here though. I'm not convinced Petrino wants the HC gig but a year under Pittman has to be making him rethink some of those things or it's solidifying how fucked the job has become. We'll know more about that in the coming month or two.
Green I'm a bit up and down on...I think the guy has some talent but not sure he's got the head for the gig. We'll never know if we can't protect him any better than we are...that being the biggest failure of this head coach being his lines all suck and pretty always did with the exception of maybe one or two seasons under Bert.
He was very good in the MSU game, when we did control the line of scrimmage.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 03, 2024, 07:55 PMNot to be a Petrino apologist, but I do think he's probably been hamstrung by some of Pittman's reserved policies/personality whatever. Could BP at the helm be the difference in another win or two this year, I'd like to think so. But, I don't think he's the answer as next HC, unless it's interim.
We would not have lost to Ok St. He's a stickler for details and demands perfection, which Sam does not. It was a comedy of errors that cost us that game. It wouldn't have happened under a hard-nosed, demanding coach.
Quote from: animal on Nov 03, 2024, 08:06 PMI'd like to see some "continuity" on offense with Petrino back next season. I don't really care if the HC and DC are here though. I'm not convinced Petrino wants the HC gig but a year under Pittman has to be making him rethink some of those things or it's solidifying how fucked the job has become. We'll know more about that in the coming month or two.
Green I'm a bit up and down on...I think the guy has some talent but not sure he's got the head for the gig. We'll never know if we can't protect him any better than we are...that being the biggest failure of this head coach being his lines all suck and pretty always did with the exception of maybe one or two seasons under Bert.
If he loves the UofA as much as he says he does, he's probably just as pissed as the rest of us at the poor job the HC is doing...
I don't really ever see us getting a top caliber coach at arkansas. We have reigned in mediocrity for decades...Nutt, Bert, Chad...the list goes on. When it's time to get a head coach of any caliber we lose out and then resort to one of these fucks who just does a so so job to stay on. We have an amazing program and school but we every time we seem to fucking get mediocrity and we always miss out on the bigger name coach's
I don't really think BP wants to be HC again either and would like to see him back. If we hired Odom, would he want him after bolting on him for ATM ? Idk. Surely there's a statute of limitations on BP being the HC if that's the short term route we wanted to take, although I personally would prefer us to go younger, but similar mindset/personality.
We have to have someone that lives and breathes football, not flying to Dallas to see their kids play or spending half their time chilling at the lake house drankin colbeers.
Speaking of, did Stephen Coalboar not make it to this site? He used to post a lot on the 1.0
He should have been fired last year for cause when he admitted after a game that he really didn't know what to do.
Imagine that in other settings.
Lawyer botches a big real estate deal: "I really didn't know what to do."
Plumber messes up an install and floods your house: "I really didn't know what to do."
Even if they have an excuse and you have pity on them, you find someone else.
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 03, 2024, 08:45 PMI don't really think BP wants to be HC again either and would like to see him back. If we hired Odom, would he want him after bolting on him for ATM ? Idk. Surely there's a statute of limitations on BP being the HC if that's the short term route we wanted to take, although I personally would prefer us to go younger, but similar mindset/personality.
We have to have someone that lives and breathes football, not flying to Dallas to see their kids play or spending half their time chilling at the lake house drankin colbeers.
Speaking of, did Stephen Coalboar not make it to this site? He used to post a lot on the 1.0
I understand what you are saying, but let's at least be fair to Sam. There is no evidence that he spends "half his time" at his lake house drinking beer.
Remember, even Nick Saban had a lake house he went to regularly. He even took recruits there.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 03, 2024, 08:55 PMI understand what you are saying, but let's at least be fair to Sam. There is no evidence that he spends "half his time" at his lake house drinking beer.
Remember, even Nick Saban had a lake house he went to regularly. He even took recruits there.
You're right on that. We don't really know and it wouldn't matter where he actually spends his time. Point was really more of living and breathing football by spending his time scheming, recruiting, watching film etc. Maybe he is spending all his time doing that and just not doing it good enough.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 03, 2024, 08:55 PMI understand what you are saying, but let's at least be fair to Sam. There is no evidence that he spends "half his time" at his lake house drinking beer.
Remember, even Nick Saban had a lake house he went to regularly. He even took recruits there.
Saban went to his place a half day a summer and had to rush back to watch film. Sam goes to his lake house the Sunday of Labor Day weekend immediately after a game. They want out of NWA but want the final payout.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 03, 2024, 09:08 PMSaban went to his place a half day a summer and had to rush back to watch film. Sam goes to his lake house the Sunday of Labor Day weekend immediately after a game. They want out of NWA but want the final payout.
Not sure I believe the first part. I went by there several times Labor Day weekend and never saw any signs of life.
Did anyone learn anything new about Pittman this year? Didn't think so.
Team still struggles at home
Team still penalty laden
Team still sucks at the line
Team still loses a game or two they should have won
Team still has letdowns and been complete unpreparedness in games
Team still recruiting at a subpar level
Pittman still has clock and game management issues we saw in year 1.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Nov 03, 2024, 08:52 PMHe should have been fired last year for cause when he admitted after a game that he really didn't know what to do.
Imagine that in other settings.
Lawyer botches a big real estate deal: "I really didn't know what to do."
Plumber messes up an install and floods your house: "I really didn't know what to do."
Even if they have an excuse and you have pity on them, you find someone else.
Say it louder for those in the back of the room.
We had a football coach admit he had no clue what to do in year 4 in which he went 4-8.
And yet our AD decided that was fine and to run it back with that same coach.
Yurachek has to go. He has to.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 03, 2024, 09:37 PMDid anyone learn anything new about Pittman this year? Didn't think so.
Team still struggles at home
Team still penalty laden
Team still sucks at the line
Team still loses a game or two they should have won
Team still has letdowns and been complete unpreparedness in games
Team still recruiting at a subpar level
Pittman still has clock and game management issues we saw in year 1.
And yet we still have dumbasses in our media and fan base (not here, but they're out there) who want to give him another year.
As you point out, the fact of the matter is that NOTHING is going to change with another year.
- He's still going to lose a shitload of players to the portal.
- He's still going to lose the locker room late in the season.
- He's still going to play the wrong players.
- He's not going to get better in close games.
- He's not going to get better at keeping his team focused.
- He's not going to play better in Fayetteville.
- He's not going to be better in press conferences.
- He's not going to work hard and grind tape instead of going to Hot Springs.
We are a marginally better team this season than last with arguably less skill talent on the offensive side of the ball. Petrino makes that difference. Beyond that this is EXACTLY the same result and EXACTLY the same failures over and over with this team under this coach. Changing coordinators hasn't hidden the fact that Pittman is ineffective at managing the program and preparing a team week in and week out. When we get into our depth as the season unfolds problems happen. We get exposed and we have no way to make adjustments. But by golly we're gonna protect those redshirts.
You know there's keeds on this team that probably could have played 6 to 8 games after injury that we've played shenanigans with to let them play only 4. I don't have a huge problem with that but on the same token if you are really needed out there then get your ass out there.
And to sound like a broken record for the 3rd year in a row...having Clark as your badge of honor guy out there getting smoked repeatedly at corner is not the boss move you seem to think it is. That we haven't recruited well enough to bury a white db on the roster says a lot about the recruiting ability of this staff. Mad props to Clark to keep trotting out there. Hopefully he makes a helluva coach some day...but probably well be for Auburn.
clark is getting all those snaps because braxton must have the worst bone bruise ever. not sure what's going on there.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 03, 2024, 06:37 PMthat dude has as much credibility as prj did. a zoom call on a sunday and not one legit media member has anything to say about it?
there's literally nothing he has posted that has come to pass. even the pay boards make fun of the guy.
Less. Evan is a known troll from the Rivals board. He's making shit up.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Nov 03, 2024, 09:08 PMSaban went to his place a half day a summer and had to rush back to watch film. Sam goes to his lake house the Sunday of Labor Day weekend immediately after a game. They want out of NWA but want the final payout.
There is room to negotiate.
Cut the buyout to around $5MM and remove the duty to mitigate (requirement for Sam to actively seek employment).
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 03, 2024, 08:55 PMRemember, even Nick Saban had a lake house he went to regularly. He even took recruits there.
Nicky Party >>>>> Diddy Party
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2024, 07:11 AMclark is getting all those snaps because braxton must have the worst bone bruise ever. not sure what's going on there.
I've assumed for weeks now that he's sitting out the rest of the season so he has another year at his next stop.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 04, 2024, 08:46 AMI've assumed for weeks now that he's sitting out the rest of the season so he has another year at his next stop.
Same. Supposedly it was a similar injury to what knocked Green out vs. Tennessee.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Nov 03, 2024, 08:52 PMHe should have been fired last year for cause when he admitted after a game that he really didn't know what to do.
Imagine that in other settings.
Lawyer botches a big real estate deal: "I really didn't know what to do."
Plumber messes up an install and floods your house: "I really didn't know what to do."
Even if they have an excuse and you have pity on them, you find someone else.
That whole statement is way overblown. He was faced with an "either-or" choice, both with attendant risks. He chose one way, and it didn't work. There was surely no guarantee the other way would have worked either.
I don't like a lot of things about the way Pittman does things, but Jesus some of y'all have no sense of fairness.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 04, 2024, 09:06 AMThat whole statement is way overblown. He was faced with an "either-or" choice, both with attendant risks. He chose one way, and it didn't work. There was surely no guarantee the other way would have worked either.
I don't like a lot of things about the way Pittman does things, but Jesus some of y'all have no sense of fairness.
We're still in the window following a blow out loss where we don't have to be fair!
Too soon to expect us to be fully reasonable.
Some folks are posting on twitter that if BMFP is the HC he cannot hire anyone or have direct reports due to his past sins. Any truth to that?
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 03, 2024, 08:55 PMI understand what you are saying, but let's at least be fair to Sam. There is no evidence that he spends "half his time" at his lake house drinking beer.
Remember, even Nick Saban had a lake house he went to regularly. He even took recruits there.
He spends half his time drinking beer. He splits it between HS and NWA
Sam doesn't take recruits to his lake house very often. You want to know why, because unlike Saban's, it's three and half hours away.
I figured it's because Tulsa hawg is taking them to the catfish hole and then his love nest.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 04, 2024, 09:42 AMSam doesn't take recruits to his lake house very often. You want to know why, because unlike Saban's, it's three and half hours away.
Lake Burton is five hours away from Tuscaloosa. Sam usually flies on the Fletcher plane down and has a Fletcher SUV to drive around. Gets a new boat from Futrell every year too. Not a bad gig.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 04, 2024, 09:38 AMSome folks are posting on twitter that if BMFP is the HC he cannot hire anyone or have direct reports due to his past sins. Any truth to that?
No. The person saying that is an idiot.
I went back and forth with him multiple times last night asking for a link that proved this, even provided my own link of the two letters between Chancellor Robinson and President Bobbitt requesting and approving the hire. Got nothing from him but a link of a video of Mike Irwin saying he probably shouldn't be head coach or hire anyone.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 04, 2024, 06:02 AMAnd yet we still have dumbasses in our media and fan base (not here, but they're out there) who want to give him another year.
As you point out, the fact of the matter is that NOTHING is going to change with another year.
- He's still going to lose a shitload of players to the portal.
- He's still going to lose the locker room late in the season.
- He's still going to play the wrong players.
- He's not going to get better in close games.
- He's not going to get better at keeping his team focused.
- He's not going to play better in Fayetteville.
- He's not going to be better in press conferences.
- He's not going to work hard and grind tape instead of going to Hot Springs.
They wanna keep him because he's a nice jovial man which is why we keep getting mediocre coaches. Fire his ass...let him go retire in hot springs and booze and eat life up. He has no business coaching anymore and was never a top tire SEC coach
Unless we win the last three..i would think the University will move on...suck to lose petrino...but that is part of it.
I know Cignetti won't leave IU after one year, but damn if i wouldn't call him yesterday
Still like Leopold at KU...and he's been there just long enough now to maybe consider leaving?
I think Barry Odom will be the choice, and he will bring his OC with him
Quote from: Jostlyn mcCocksack on Nov 04, 2024, 10:51 AMUnless we win the last three..i would think the University will move on...suck to lose petrino...but that is part of it.
I know Cignetti won't leave IU after one year, but damn if i wouldn't call him yesterday
Still like Leopold at KU...and he's been there just long enough now to maybe consider leaving?
I think Barry Odom will be the choice, and he will bring his OC with him
we are not winning three more games...maybe 1.
Quote from: Jostlyn mcCocksack on Nov 04, 2024, 10:51 AMUnless we win the last three..i would think the University will move on...suck to lose petrino...but that is part of it.
I know Cignetti won't leave IU after one year, but damn if i wouldn't call him yesterday
Still like Leopold at KU...and he's been there just long enough now to maybe consider leaving?
I think Barry Odom will be the choice, and he will bring his OC with him
odom and petrino are close. hell he hired him before aggie came with a bigger bag of cash. i bet marion get the hc job if odom moves on.
one more name. dan mullen?
1-6 in our last 6 SEC games at home and outscored 214-87 in those games.
In what world does that get a coach anything but shitcanned immediately?
That's only moderately better than Chad Morris. And we also lost to Liberty at home. Alabama Birmingham ahead most of the way in our game with them this year.
You can't ask fans to lay out thousands for a program and then shit on a plate and expect them to eat it. You have to produce at home at the very least.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 04, 2024, 11:15 AM1-6 in our last 6 SEC games at home and outscored 214-87 in those games.
In what world does that get a coach anything but shitcanned immediately?
That's only moderately better than Chad Morris. And we also lost to Liberty at home. Alabama Birmingham ahead most of the way in our game with them this year.
You can't ask fans to lay out thousands for a program and then shit on a plate and expect them to eat it. You have to produce at home at the very least.
Bruh, people nationally are "marveling at the job Pittman is doing here."
Per those Chuck and Bo motherfuckers.
You know Dorkwitz is salivating at the thought of ending Pittman's career.
I'm pretty sure everyone has already hit on this but the guy's bread and butter (OL) is literally the worst part of the football team basically every year he's been head coach. I was hopeful they'd be good enough to where the new OL coach was able to develop some talent for the longer haul...but it's looking very iffy right now.
After having watched a lot of college football I've come to the conclusion that a good deal of programs are terrible on the OL. It's not just us. I think defensive fronts just have a huge advantage and perhaps that's coming from a development standpoint. Maybe OL's are still being taught to be fat and useless where as the DTs and DEs are getting leaner and faster. Playing spread ball doesn't develop linemen worth a damn and that problem isn't getting any better.
Who is our talent evaluator? That is who should be canned.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 04, 2024, 12:15 PMWho is our talent evaluator? That is who should be canned.
They fire some 24 year old in charge of the NIL program about 3 times a year it seems like. Until we are serious there I don't think our "talent" is going to improve much. That also acts as a nice little yearly scapegoat as to why we're paying a head coach 6 million a year for piss poor results. And as bad as that sounds that's like 11th in the SEC if not worse in salary right now. Oh and another part of that scapegoat excuse is laziness in not pouring a lot of resources into players you have on the roster but don't really anticipate developing.
Bottom line is don't go shopping at Dollar General expecting fancy high quality because it's not likely to end in anything but meh results. Doesn't mean you have to go outspend everyone but you have to hire with the anticipation that this new hire is going to out perform his contract enough to want to give him a fat raise.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 04, 2024, 08:18 AMThere is room to negotiate.
Cut the buyout to around $5MM and remove the duty to mitigate (requirement for Sam to actively seek employment).
Negotiate what? Arkansas isn't in a position to negotiate anything. If I'm Sam I say give me my money or I'll finish out my contract.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 04, 2024, 12:48 PMNegotiate what? Arkansas isn't in a position to negotiate anything. If I'm Sam I say give me my money or I'll finish out my contract.
That's Arkansas' leverage. Making that lazy fatboy work out the remainder of his contract.
Ah. Well, no one can complain when he is here next year then.
"Hey, we want to fire you so if you'll leave willingly we will give you less money do so."
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 04, 2024, 12:51 PMAh. Well, no one can complain when he is here next year then.
"Hey, we want to fire you so if you'll leave willingly we will give you less money do so."
More like "We're going to fire you next year in the most humiliating way possible after a we drag your name through the mud as much as we can. Of course, we can avoid that if you will agree to a bit less money and leave now."
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 04, 2024, 12:48 PMNegotiate what? Arkansas isn't in a position to negotiate anything. If I'm Sam I say give me my money or I'll finish out my contract.
The leverage is giving him money to go to his lake house with no obligations versus firing him, giving him the full buyout but requiring him to get a job to offset it.
He can take $5MM-8MM free and clear for retirement, or he can get the $4.5MM per year from us for the next three minus whatever he gets as an offensive line coach somewhere far from his beloved lake house.
We have already stopped buyouts on one coach who refused to get a paying job. Granted we ended up having to settle with him and pay part of it, but only because some dumb ass lawyer forgot to copy/paste the buyout details from his UA contract to the one with the Razorback Foundation. Surely to God they didn't make the same mistake with Pittman's new deal.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 04, 2024, 01:07 PMThe leverage is giving him money to go to his lake house with no obligations versus firing him, giving him the full buyout but requiring him to get a job to offset it.
He can take $5MM-8MM free and clear for retirement, or he can get the $4.5MM per year from us for the next three minus whatever he gets as an offensive line coach somewhere far from his beloved lake house.
We have already stopped buyouts on one coach who refused to get a paying job. Granted we ended up having to settle with him and pay part of it, but only because some dumb ass lawyer forgot to copy/paste the buyout details from his UA contract to the one with the Razorback Foundation. Surely to God they didn't make the same mistake with Pittman's new deal.
Hey man, it's Arkansas. That "dumb ass lawyer" was head of the Razorback Foundation by the time they discovered the mistake.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 04, 2024, 01:07 PMHe can take $5MM-8MM free and clear for retirement, or he can get the $4.5MM per year from us for the next three minus whatever he gets as an offensive line coach somewhere far from his beloved lake house.
I am not wishing ill on him but he needs to take the option to have the free time to work on his weight or that 3 years may be all he has left.
It has to be an ego thing, no way he has tastes that $5MM-$8MM won't cover.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 04, 2024, 02:44 PMI am not wishing ill on him but he needs to take the option to have the free time to work on his weight or that 3 years may be all he has left.
It has to be an ego thing, no way he has tastes that $5MM-$8MM won't cover.
if it really mattered he would have already cared enough to get ozempic he is just lazy af.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 04, 2024, 03:31 PMif it really mattered he would have already cared enough to get ozempic he is just lazy af.
We don't know. He might already be on Ozempic and would weigh 400 without it.
On the Tard board they are saying Operation Hip Replacement is a go and that it's Odom or maybe Lashlee.
Did you know that Jake Yuracheck works in the athletic department at SMU? I did not know that.
I'm gonna be pretty bummed if it's Odom. The only saving grace is that maybe he'd keep on Petrino as OC.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 04, 2024, 04:39 PMOn the Tard board they are saying Operation Hip Replacement is a go and that it's Odom or maybe Lashlee.
Did you know that Jake Yuracheck works in the athletic department at SMU? I did not know that.
This is good news. It's never the first 17 names mentioned. Never.
But to play the game anyway...nobody talking about Clark Lea but I figure he's gonna get some looks this off season.
Quote from: flash23 on Nov 04, 2024, 04:47 PMI'm gonna be pretty bummed if it's Odom. The only saving grace is that maybe he'd keep on Petrino as OC.
Hiring Odom is one way to to ensure a great many of us will never be back.
nobville. ain't nothing happening until portatian speaks.
I didn't realize Pittman was only 62...damn he looks like he's 72. Time to retire and go sit in the boat. Bye
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 04, 2024, 05:31 PMI didn't realize Pittman was only 62...damn he looks like he's 72. Time to retire and go sit in the boat. Bye
This shit has undoubtedly taken years off of his life. If he goes home now, all is good snd he'll be more or less fondly remembered.
his wife is probably tired of all the shit. you have money, go see the sites.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2024, 05:36 PMhis wife is probably tired of all the shit. you have money, go see the sites.
and no kids so a whole lot of money they should spend and fucking do shit before he gets diabetes or worse
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2024, 05:36 PMhis wife is probably tired of all the shit. you have money, go see the sites.
She wants her buyout. She is tired of the shit though. Also heard they've bought a second lake place.
I guess give me Lashlee. Someone young and not a decrepit old has been (or a "never was" in Pitt's case).
Odom is the easy, lazy hire so naturally that is what they will do, and if so, we will be doing this all over again in 5 years.
I don't know any another old fuck.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 04, 2024, 05:07 PMHiring Odom is one way to to ensure a great many of us will never be back.
Well I won't believe anything until I see Duckman's wife's tits
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 04, 2024, 06:50 PMI don't know any another old fuck.
I don't want another old MFer coming here to get paid and retire. We need a young, hungry guy that wants to show he can cut it.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 04, 2024, 06:57 PMI don't want another old MFer coming here to get paid and retire. We need a young, hungry guy that wants to show he can cut it.
but not another chad
Why would lashlee come here? SMU has money and a hell of a lot easier path to the CFP in a weak ACC.
What about Gundy? Both he and OSU might be ready for something new.
Could we throw capital W Walmart money at Cignetti at IU?
I say we go cheap, hire some slapdick for $3M and throw the savings towards the NIL fund. Get us some real mens.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Nov 04, 2024, 08:20 PMI say we go cheap, hire some slapdick for $3M and throw the savings towards the NIL fund. Get us some real mens.
HY would just use the money to improve women's volleyball facilities.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 04, 2024, 08:25 PMHY would just use the money to improve women's volleyball facilities.
Petrino approves
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 04, 2024, 08:25 PMHY would just use the money to improve women's volleyball facilities.
Don't forget that raise for Mike Neighbors
The last three are exquisite burns. Well played gents.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 04, 2024, 08:25 PMHY would just use the money to improve women's volleyball facilities.
Something we can all get behind...
do you want the same guy who gave pittman his new and improved un-school friendly contract and buyout in spite of pittman having no leverage to be the one hiring a new coach?
I vote no.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 04, 2024, 09:41 PMdo you want the same guy who gave pittman his new and improved un-school friendly contract and buyout in spite of pittman having no leverage to be the one hiring a new coach?
I vote no.
yeah, because last time they had to hire both an ad and coach at the same time it worked out so well.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 04, 2024, 09:49 PMyeah, because last time they had to hire both an ad and coach at the same time it worked out so well.
Yurachek is a gutless coward who I've wanted fired for years and he needs to be gone tomorrow, but this is where my head is.
We're in the ultimate lose-lose.
Keep Yurachek and he either retains Pittman or executes another coaching search lazily and cheaply (which probably gets us Odom, a Mizzou castoff who can't recruit and now has an NIL PR disaster under his belt).
Fire Yurachek (and ostensibly Pittman) but risk the same fate we experienced in 2019.
Yeah, I'm afraid that Yurachek is bulletproof for now since Cal fell in his lap due to the work of Tyson...
Quote from: Feral on Nov 05, 2024, 08:33 AMYurachek is a gutless coward who I've wanted fired for years and he needs to be gone tomorrow, but this is where my head is.
We're in the ultimate lose-lose.
Keep Yurachek and he either retains Pittman or executes another coaching search lazily and cheaply.
Fire Yurachek (and ostensibly Pittman) but risk the same fate we experienced in 2019.
Honestly Pittman is the only hire Yurachek has botched, and there were mitigating factors (program at rock bottom, Sexton manipulating Kiffin to get him to Ole Miss, etc).
We can correctly point out that Tyson had more to do with Calipari than Hunter did, but you still have to give him credit for utilizing the connection and closing the deal.
The problem with the Pittman hire wasn't the hire itself. It was Hunter letting Sexton bend him over with the excessive buyout on the extension, and outsmarting himself with the "incentive clauses" that dug the hole deeper. I've seen revisionists criticize Yurachek for not hiring Willie Fritz in 2020, but the fan base would have burned down the Broyles Complex if he'd tried to sell that to us back then (before Fritz had his breakout year at Tulane).
I'd trust Hunter to hire the next coach and try to save his own ass versus keeping Pittman for yet another lame duck year and hoping the next AD can make a better hire. If for no other reason than I don't want to risk bringing in someone Calipari doesn't want to work with/for in that role. If the next football coach Hunter hires turns out as bad as 2022-2024 Pittman we can always send him packing at a later date.
I'm a fan of looking in the lower ranks for an established coach that wins. Think chip kelly at new Hampshire. Or klieman from wherever he came from.
I'm all about firing Hunter as well. I don't even think he had any input in getting Calapari here I think Tyson did that in his own because he was sick of losing
Quote from: Feral on Nov 05, 2024, 08:33 AMYurachek is a gutless coward who I've wanted fired for years and he needs to be gone tomorrow, but this is where my head is.
We're in the ultimate lose-lose.
Keep Yurachek and he either retains Pittman or executes another coaching search lazily and cheaply (which probably gets us Odom, a Mizzou castoff who can't recruit and now has an NIL PR disaster under his belt).
Fire Yurachek (and ostensibly Pittman) but risk the same fate we experienced in 2019.
I get you hate HY
I don't love the guy but on some levels I think people are expecting him to ninja his way thru the modern realities of coaching contracts and that's just not how this works. And now we toss more on his shoulders with NIL and portal dynamics which have turned college athletics on its ear. Some programs have adjusted better... Arkansas not so much.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 05, 2024, 08:52 AMI'm a fan of looking in the lower ranks for an established coach that wins. Think chip kelly at new Hampshire. Or klieman from wherever he came from.
Yep, just not an old fart ready to retire.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 05, 2024, 08:52 AMI'm a fan of looking in the lower ranks for an established coach that wins. Think chip kelly at new Hampshire. Or klieman from wherever he came from.
Agreed. I said something very similar in another thread, but go look at winners at the FCS level.
Kansas State hired Klieman from NDSU where he won a bunch of championships. He'll probably have them in the playoff this year.
Ohio State hired Tressel from Youngstown State where he won a bunch of I-AA championships.
IU hired Cignetti from James Madison. The guy had won a bunch at the D-II and FCS level.
Washington hired DeBoer after he'd won a bunch at Sioux Falls.
The point is that winners win. Good football coaches are good football coaches regardless of level. If Yurachek had put in even the slightest amount of effort and done some due diligence maybe we could've hired someone a winner from the FCS, but he couldn't be bothered to put in that effort in 2019.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 05, 2024, 08:52 AMI'm a fan of looking in the lower ranks for an established coach that wins. Think chip kelly at new Hampshire. Or klieman from wherever he came from.
Yeah. One thing we should absolutely NOT do, AGAIN, is hire an assistant to a great coach, thinking something rubbed off on him.
Pittman and Morris in football, Pelphrey and Heath in basketball should have us abandoning that path for the rest of my lifetime.
Really the only major one I can think of that worked out like that is Kirby Smart to Georgia. Even Will Muschamp didn't make much noise as a head coach.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 05, 2024, 08:52 AMI'm a fan of looking in the lower ranks for an established coach that wins. Think chip kelly at new Hampshire. Or klieman from wherever he came from.
That is the answer. Make sure their record shows that can win (and not just because they had a Matt Jones or Darren McFadden). We have to find somebody with a chip on their shoulder that is out to prove something, not somebody looking for a retirement check.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 05, 2024, 09:56 AMThat is the answer. Make sure their record shows that can win (and not just because they had a Matt Jones or Darren McFadden). We have to find somebody with a chip on their shoulder that is out to prove something, not somebody looking for a retirement check.
Go get someone like Brent Vigen from Montana State or Jimmy Rogers from SDSU.
Both are fairly young (Vigen is 49, Rogers is 37).
Vigen is 41-9 in 4 years at MSU and currently 9-0. Rogers has a title and is 22-2 at SDSU.
Does Jimbo want back in after sitting out a year? Especially now that Saban is gone?
He could surely be gotten for cheap considering A&M is paying him out the ass for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 05, 2024, 10:11 AMDoes Jimbo want back in after sitting out a year? Especially now that Saban is gone?
He could surely be gotten for cheap considering A&M is paying him out the ass for the foreseeable future.
no thanks
Quote from: Feral on Nov 05, 2024, 10:09 AMGo get someone like Brent Vigen from Montana State or Jimmy Rogers from SDSU.
Both are fairly young (Vigen is 49, Rogers is 37).
Vigen is 41-9 in 4 years at MSU and currently 9-0. Rogers has a title and is 22-2 at SDSU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Rogers_(American_football_coach)
Don't know anything about them, but I like what I see. They know how to win. They've always played and coached at the kid's table and probably want a chance to prove themselves. I bet either would work their ass off.
and get rid of the 'knows arkansas' narrative please. petrino didn't have a damn thing to do with arkansas.
in the age of the transfer portal what does that even mean? anyone who might take the job knows where we have to recruit.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 05, 2024, 10:55 AMand get rid of the 'knows arkansas' narrative please. petrino didn't have a damn thing to do with arkansas.
in the age of the transfer portal what does that even mean? anyone who might take the job knows where we have to recruit.
To me, I think you are possibly interpreting that wrongly. Of course, "knows Arkansas" is vague enough to mean different things to different people. To me it simply means someone knows enough about our history to know that we haven't always, shouldn't be, and won't be happy being a doormat program.
But I agree with you that it really shouldn't matter beyond that.
According to Chuckles we need a coach who "wants to be here." Whatever the fuck that means.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 05, 2024, 11:14 AMAccording to Chuckles we need a coach who "wants to be here." Whatever the fuck that means.
If you pay the coach enough, he will want to be here.
wtf I just read an article that the obvious replacement would be Jeff Taylor. Fuck no. They also mentioned Jamey Chadwell, Gus and Jon Sumrall.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 05, 2024, 10:55 AMand get rid of the 'knows arkansas' narrative please. petrino didn't have a damn thing to do with arkansas.
in the age of the transfer portal what does that even mean? anyone who might take the job knows where we have to recruit.
Absolutely. I don't give a fuck if they played her or coached here or love the helmet. I want them to win.
"He's never recruited the south!!"
That's a loser mentality. Saban was from West Virginia.
Quote from: GeoHogsGeo on Nov 05, 2024, 11:15 AMIf you pay the coach enough, he will want to be here.
I'd coach in North Korea with a smile on my face for five years if they paid me enough.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 05, 2024, 11:14 AMAccording to Chuckles we need a coach who "wants to be here." Whatever the fuck that means.
We need a 'voice of the Razorbacks' that wants to be here.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 05, 2024, 11:41 AMWe need a 'voice of the Razorbacks' that wants to be here.
and anyone who's not on the terrorist watch list.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Nov 05, 2024, 11:14 AMAccording to Chuckles we need a coach who "wants to be here." Whatever the fuck that means.
I think it means not Chad Morris who wants to be at A&M?
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 05, 2024, 10:13 AMno thanks fucking way
Clarified.
We've seen what Dimbo can do only with the BEST recruits, and that has fallen off precipitously.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 05, 2024, 11:41 AMWe need a 'voice of the Razorbacks' that wants to be here.
We could fire Chuck and have AI generate Bud Campbell or Paul Eels.
Chuck needs to go too. Fire Sam. Fire Chuck. Fire the band. The band could also be replaced with AI.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 05, 2024, 12:16 PMI think it means not Chad Morris who wants to be at A&M?
Yeah and not just some slapdick looking to get paid. Obviously anyone we hire is going to get a raise and paid pretty well, but like others have said, someone at lower level that has won, had head coaching experience and is hungry to carve out a name for himself.
Quote from: HughJasole on Nov 05, 2024, 10:11 AMDoes Jimbo want back in after sitting out a year? Especially now that Saban is gone?
He could surely be gotten for cheap considering A&M is paying him out the ass for the foreseeable future.
Highly doubt it.
Not only does he not have a duty to mitigate clause, he was pretty adamant in his Little Rock Touchdown Club appearance that he's loving life just hunting and doing jack shit.
He said something specifically about how he was elk hunting in Montana recently and thought to himself "damn, I'd be going over errors correction from last week's game right about now...this is so much better."
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 05, 2024, 10:40 AMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Vigen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Rogers_(American_football_coach)
Don't know anything about them, but I like what I see. They know how to win. They've always played and coached at the kid's table and probably want a chance to prove themselves. I bet either would work their ass off.
I literally got their names off an article I found when I Googled "best FCS coaches in 2024."
That's probably too much effort for Yurachek.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 05, 2024, 10:55 AMand get rid of the 'knows arkansas' narrative please. petrino didn't have a damn thing to do with arkansas.
in the age of the transfer portal what does that even mean? anyone who might take the job knows where we have to recruit.
Same.
I hate that line of thought.
Petrino and Holtz knew jack shit about Arkansas. Saban knew fuckall about the SEC and Louisiana before getting the LSU job.
Hire a guy who knows how to coach ball and the rest will follow.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 05, 2024, 11:15 AMwtf I just read an article that the obvious replacement would be Jeff Taylor. Fuck no. They also mentioned Jamey Chadwell, Gus and Jon Sumrall.
Chadwell needs to lose at least one more game to rocket to the top of our list
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 05, 2024, 12:56 PMChadwell needs to lose at least one more game to rocket to the top of our list
Chadwell is at the top of my list.
No clue why he didn't get a better job than Liberty after the job he did at Coastal.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 05, 2024, 01:00 PMChadwell is at the top of my list.
No clue why he didn't get a better job than Liberty after the job he did at Coastal.
He also had a WTF loss this year that is potentially alarming. Granted, I don't know how fluky it may have been. But still.
We need to put a little more thought into it than just "he won at his last job", although that should be a minimum requirement.
Did he win at a school that had a talent advantage over the others in his conference, and if so was the that because he recruited better or because he was located in a relative hotbed of athletes? You can call this the Napier principle.
Does his system require superior talent to succeed, or can he win with a slightly lower caliber of player? This is a big one, and why Bert didn't make it here. He's a solid coach but he tried to run the same type of schemes as Alabama and LSU with significantly less talent. Regardless of who we have running things, we are never going to consistently outrecruit at least half and probably two-thirds of the SEC. The next coach has to be able to outscheme the peer schools (OM, MIZ, MSU, UK, SC, etc) and at least hold his own with the elite when the roster is on an up cycle.
Basically don't look for a guy who took over a school that was already winning and just kept things moving, and don't hire someone who wants to play bully ball versus Alabama, LSU, and Texass.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 05, 2024, 11:15 AMwtf I just read an article that the obvious replacement would be Jeff Taylor. Fuck no. They also mentioned Jamey Chadwell, Gus and Jon Sumrall.
I assume you mean Jeff Traylor. Don't dismiss him at all. Very good coach, strong recruiting ties in East Texas. He's been in Fayetteville, and reportedly loves it.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 05, 2024, 11:15 AMwtf I just read an article that the obvious replacement would be Jeff Taylor. Fuck no. They also mentioned Jamey Chadwell, Gus and Jon Sumrall.
Sumrall is going to be a star.
Is the "wants to be here" crap a shot at Morris, muss, or both?
Also, it's a lazy excuse.
He is making generational money so suck it up buttercup.
What successful business is going to give an employee a bad to poor review then be cool with it if the employee says they "want to be here"?
If he really wants to be here then give back some salary especially after admitting he was out coached and out worked.
Also, if he really wants to be here then why fire henry who got him the job and then hire sexton and whine about a new deal.
Frick him.
His whole M.O. is offensive line and recruiting and both have been average to below average.
And his recruiting of the offensive line has been awful.
Great value line or not - coach them up. If he really was/is a o line guru then why are guys not coming to be coached up by him like defensive players did with Saban?
Nil my ass, the big check comes in the nfl.
Saban could get his players those checks, who has been getting those check since Sam has been head coach?
Is there anyway we can get Sam named to Trumps administration like ambassador to Gabon or heading the pres council on physical fitness.
Lol
Lol at any serious program you would say, "No way."
https://x.com/AdamFord92/status/1854186815147643243
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 06, 2024, 01:24 AMIs there anyway we can get Sam named to Trumps administration like ambassador to Gabon or heading the pres council on physical fitness.
He's as qualified is RFKJ to be in charge of our nation's health.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 06, 2024, 07:28 PMHe's as qualified is RFKJ to be in charge of our nation's health.
There's a Danny Nutt brain worm joke to be made here
I just listened to Lashlee on the Jim Rome from Tuesday. He gets my approval.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 06, 2024, 07:28 PMHe's as qualified is RFKJ to be in charge of our nation's health.
I'll take my chances on the possible upgrade.
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Quote from: TC on Nov 07, 2024, 12:33 AMI'll take my chances on the possible upgrade.
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If he takes away our cancer-causing WiFi, no more Woppussy.
Quote from: TC on Nov 07, 2024, 12:33 AMI'll take my chances on the possible upgrade.
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These two I won't miss, and look forward to their unemployment. The tranny likely goes away but the press sec probably gets a job with Joy Reid.,
Cignetti won't be available if we decide to make a move
https://x.com/JeffRabjohns/status/1855011854445158650
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 08, 2024, 07:37 PMCignetti won't be available if we decide to make a move
https://x.com/JeffRabjohns/status/1855011854445158650
Why would he move to a worse program?
Cignetti can do well at Indiana and they'll love him just for a winning record. Camp out and then replace DeBoers when Bama tires of two loss seasons.
Hunter needs to call up Saban tonight just in case he wants a few more chances to beat LSU.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 09, 2024, 11:07 AMHunter needs to call up Saban tonight just in case he wants a few more chances to beat LSU.
Sadly, not even Saban could save our steaming pile of shit program.
Like Cal the right hire can bring about corporate backing that just isn't as apparent currently.
The only way that would happen is if there's a coach out there that just isn't getting the $ support he's needing and is shopping his services to find someone committed to making chicken nuggets.
I just want to commend HY for not letting Lane Kiffin and Jimmy Sexton jerk him around. Imagine how bad our program would be if we had come up with an extra million or two for Kiffin. Going cheap with Sam Pittman was definitely the right way to go.
As long as we're handing out flowers let me add the coaching staffs of Ole Miss and South Carolina. They were able to take our "castoff" players and inspire them into playing to their potential.
They just have better orange slices and togetherness counselors than we do. I bet their strength and conditioning workouts are incredibly inspiring tear-jerkers. It's what's inside that counts!
(Unless you're a child visiting Penn State during the Paterno era)
they also spent more in the portal than any other team in college football.
gotta love some hog fans making kiffin out to be the next saban. he went to the fans and boosters and told them if they gave him the money to buy the best defense in the conference they'd win the sec and go the playoffs. he got his money.
arkansas fans are perpetually in 'i'll give when they win something' mode. you see the results.
One retardation in that... Kiffin had already proven that he could win games, and that a few pieces on defense were the missing link between Ole Miss and championship-caliber football.
What has Sam shown? He's shown that with enough luck we are capable of making a bowl.
the guy was a meme before ole miss hired him. he went 5-5, 10-3 (good) and 8-5. he lost 5 of his last 6 games in 2022 and they gave him a $2 million raise and the fans pumped money into the grove collective. in what universe does arkansas do something like that?
that 'he did something' is just an excuse for arkansas fans.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 10, 2024, 09:09 AMthey also spent more in the portal than any other team in college football.
gotta love some hog fans making kiffin out to be the next saban. he went to the fans and boosters and told them if they gave him the money to buy the best defense in the conference they'd win the sec and go the playoffs. he got his money.
arkansas fans are perpetually in 'i'll give when they win something' mode. you see the results.
LOL, that's rich. Let's compare and contrast.
Young dynamic coach with past success. Fanbase is exited from the start.
Young athletic director set on making a mark.
Said young coach and athletic director embrace the concept of NIL and aggressively promote it FROM THE START.
At Arkansas we, after a long search where our athletic director gets butthurt and doesn't hire Kiffin, we hire a 58 year assistant coach who was about to retire.
Neither the head coach nor the athletic director embrace NIL, instead they campaign against it with politicians and speak about how horrible it is for the first two or three years of the coach's tenure. They devote little energy to the NIL program and put a succession of hangers on and former athletes in charge. The head coach is not involved at all and makes no appeals to the fans or anyone else after his first two years of moderate success and excitement about the program.
Now, after three years of underachieving with undisciplined teams where the players and the coaches make the same mistakes over and over, it's suddenly all the fans' fault because they don't give enough NIL.
One program went out and bought the best racehorse they could find and then went to their investors and promised to get it the best training, the best care, and enter all the biggest races. The other bought a broken down plow horse, and promised to take the cheap way out as much as possible. Now the owners of the plow horse are blaming their investors for not spending enough to make the plow horse as good as the other guy's racehorse.
lol, did you even read my second post? young exciting coach? to this board and just about everywhere else the guy was a joke.
my posts had nothing to do with pittman. it's a fact that ole miss and their fans spent the money even after a late season collapse and arkansas fans have made excuses not to.
Let's not acclaim Kiffin the next Saban just yet. He is 2-10 vs the top 10 while in Oxford.
Not convinced Georgia is all that either.
I do know we stink and will continue to with the Sam and fountain dynamic duo,
I wonder how the Georgia and Alabama types have their NIL set up. They've been able to recruit just off of their reputation(and under the table money) forever. It's possible some of the major teams may not be able to pay as much as a team with a sugar daddy. Big money will eventually realize they can buy themselves some attention and glory and then it will just turn into the minor league of the NFL.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 10, 2024, 11:37 AMI wonder how the Georgia and Alabama types have their NIL set up. They've been able to recruit just off of their reputation(and under the table money) forever. It's possible some of the major teams may not be able to pay as much as a team with a sugar daddy. Big money will eventually realize they can buy themselves some attention and glory and then it will just turn into the minor league of the NFL.
Aren't we already there?
The argument made at the beginning of NIL, that made complete sense to me, was that rich guys don't just throw their money down toilets. They didn't get rich being idiots. Therefore there will be few to no rich guys who will just throw money at programs simply to make their sports teams better.
Obviously that is completely wrong. But I don't quite understand why.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 10, 2024, 09:42 AMlol, did you even read my second post? young exciting coach? to this board and just about everywhere else the guy was a joke.
my posts had nothing to do with pittman. it's a fact that ole miss and their fans spent the money even after a late season collapse and arkansas fans have made excuses not to.
I read it. I don't agree. He had a risky history. But everyone knew the could coach.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 10, 2024, 11:39 AMAren't we already there?
The argument made at the beginning of NIL, that made complete sense to me, was that rich guys don't just throw their money down toilets. They didn't get rich being idiots. Therefore there will be few to no rich guys who will just throw money at programs simply to make their sports teams better.
Obviously that is completely wrong. But I don't quite understand why.
Because lots of rich guys like to show how big their dicks are. And if they get the athlete to do a few adds for them, they can write it off as another business expense. So, it's just one more line on the expense sheet. They got the cash flow.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 10, 2024, 11:39 AMAren't we already there?
The argument made at the beginning of NIL, that made complete sense to me, was that rich guys don't just throw their money down toilets. They didn't get rich being idiots. Therefore there will be few to no rich guys who will just throw money at programs simply to make their sports teams better.
Obviously that is completely wrong. But I don't quite understand why.
I don't understand why you wouldn't think boosters would not pay to get better players for their teams?
It's been going on as long as college football has existed.
Quote from: Lurk on Nov 10, 2024, 11:37 AMI wonder how the Georgia and Alabama types have their NIL set up. They've been able to recruit just off of their reputation(and under the table money) forever. It's possible some of the major teams may not be able to pay as much as a team with a sugar daddy. Big money will eventually realize they can buy themselves some attention and glory and then it will just turn into the minor league of the NFL.
Show me their NIL administrative costs compared to ours.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 10, 2024, 12:03 PMBecause lots of rich guys like to show how big their dicks are. And if they get the athlete to do a few adds for them, they can write it off as another business expense. So, it's just one more line on the expense sheet. They got the cash flow.
true. i don't think roi is a big of a deal as some assume to these guys.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 10, 2024, 12:06 PMI don't understand why you wouldn't think boosters would not pay to get better players for their teams?
It's been going on as long as college football has existed.
also true.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 10, 2024, 12:03 PMBecause lots of rich guys like to show how big their dicks are. And if they get the athlete to do a few adds for them, they can write it off as another business expense. So, it's just one more line on the expense sheet. They got the cash flow.
A few adds? They were told there would be no math.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 10, 2024, 12:12 PMtrue. i don't think roi is a big of a deal as some assume to these guys.
I hope they're at LEAST getting access to the highest quality coed pussy.
I mean, that would at least be something tangible and understandable.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 10, 2024, 11:59 AMI read it. I don't agree. He had a risky history. But everyone knew the could coach.
At the time, Kiffin was really risky. He wasn't the coach his is today nor was he as stable a person. He was the guy with a sewage treatment plant named after him. Fired on tarmac at usc. Exiled by Saban. I had the same view of drunkass Sarkisian. Never would have dreamed he would be vying for a NC at Texas. His team is a machine.
It shows the greatness of Saban in his coaches rehab program.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 10, 2024, 09:42 AMmy posts had nothing to do with pittman. it's a fact that ole miss and their fans spent the money even after a late season collapse and arkansas fans have made excuses not to.
This is the important part.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 10, 2024, 03:42 PMThis is the important part.
No it isn't. It's entirely about Pittman.
Cignetti getting a new $8 million contract
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1857783670280491280
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 16, 2024, 07:58 AMCignetti getting a new $8 million contract
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1857783670280491280
Indiana will regret this. Ask Florida State.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2024, 09:12 AMIndiana will regret this. Ask Florida State.
8 fucking years. $72 mill. I bet it's a standard buyout. I wouldn't give any coach an 8 year contract, especially the way the game is rapidly evolving. Who knows what it will look like in 2032? One great fucking year in a disruptive Big10 year gets a contract like that is extreme stupidity. They will have issues as Michigan and the pac10 teams recover. Guarantee sexton will be pushing yuri for an extension and raise for beating LaTech.
Yeah, he deserved a new contract, but that is a little insane, especially at a school that is not a football money machine.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 16, 2024, 07:58 AMCignetti getting a new $8 million contract
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1857783670280491280
That is cheap, who is his agent?
Big Ten $$$ plus donations and such, wonder how much is guaranteed and what the buyout is.
In SEC home games we're about to go 1-3 on the season. In all games at RRS, assuming a win next week, we'll be 3-3.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Nov 16, 2024, 02:07 PMIn SEC home games we're about to go 1-3 on the season. In all games at RRS, assuming a win next week, we'll be 3-3.
1-3 with a cumulative margin of -61.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 16, 2024, 10:50 AMYeah, he deserved a new contract, but that is a little insane, especially at a school that is not a football money machine.
But people keep going on about Pittman but his contract is super good compared to what it will take to hire someone presently considered "good"
Quote from: animal on Nov 16, 2024, 05:02 PMBut people keep going on about Pittman but his contract is super good compared to what it will take to hire someone presently considered "good"
hell, there are fans who think we can get someone good for less than pittman is being paid.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 16, 2024, 05:10 PMhell, there are fans who think we can get someone good for less than pittman is being paid.
I bet we wouldn't do much worse at half what we're paying him.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 16, 2024, 05:12 PMI bet we wouldn't do much worse at half what we're paying him.
well if you're goal is to be not that much worse, then sure.
Quote from: vegashog on Nov 16, 2024, 05:15 PMwell if you're goal is to be not that much worse, then sure.
Not my point. At all.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Nov 16, 2024, 06:01 PMNot my point. At all.
well, i just can't get a read on you at all today. too many gummies.
SMU is headed to the playoffs.
Tell me again about the advantages of playing in the SEC.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2024, 06:15 PMSMU is headed to the playoffs.
Tell me again about the advantages of playing in the SEC.
If they win the ACC title game.
If not, they'll be in a minor bowl.
Meanwhile Ole Miss and at least three other SEC teams will be in the playoff.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 16, 2024, 07:01 PMIf they win the ACC title game.
If not, they'll be in a minor bowl.
Meanwhile Ole Miss and at least three other SEC teams will be in the playoff.
OK, tell us the advantage of US being in the SEC.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 16, 2024, 07:47 PMOK, tell us the advantage of US being in the SEC.
Money.
Success in the other sports.
I'd rather be one of 16 teams playing for 4-5 spots in the playoff than one of 17 playing for a single spot.
Arkansas would have a better chance at winning the Big 12 than coming in top 4 in the SEC.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2024, 08:23 PMArkansas would have a better chance at winning the Big 12 than coming in top 4 in the SEC.
This is a loser mindset like your head coach. If Ole Miss can compete so can Arkansas. Hire a good coach and raise the money to buy him the players.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2024, 08:23 PMArkansas would have a better chance at winning the Big 12 than coming in top 4 in the SEC.
We'd just have to get through Oklahoma State.
...crap
Quote from: Piggielicious on Nov 16, 2024, 08:39 PMThis is a loser mindset like your head coach. If Ole Miss can compete so can Arkansas. Hire a good coach and raise the money to buy him the players.
this.
anyway moving isn't going to happen. if the super conference does come to being a thing, most of those b12 teams aren't going to be in it. arkansas in the sec guarantees we'll be a part of it.
Adding more teams has always benefited Arkansas' standing in the conference.
Shit, hopefully this Super Conference will adopt relegation and we'll be moved to a more competitive level.
well it's all speculation at this point but the fact that the commissioners of the sec and b10 have even mentioned it, means somewhere down the line it will happen.
it comes down to money, period. don't have to like it but that's the reality. and that means eyeballs on the weekend. as of the middle of last month, here's the number of most watched games broken down per conference.
sec: 28
big10: 12
acc: 6
b12: 2 (both games had colorado).
that's 83% for the sec and b10, and the gap will only widen.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2024, 08:23 PMArkansas would have a better chance at winning the Big 12 than coming in top 4 in the SEC.
Weak sauce. Name any number of schools you'd rather be in another conference and wish you were them. SMU? Whatever. Okay they make the playoffs and get brutally embarrassed. That's going to make you feel better as a fan? Maybe the road is harder in the SEC,but the feasibility of you winning it all is much better in the SEC, where you're arguably going to get better talent and $$ to do so.
https://x.com/hogsportszone/status/1857792652084740345
I was at the game yesterday and you could sense the fans' frustration with Sam.
No booing or anything, but lots of complaining and anger about lack of discipline, personnel, execution, and other things.
During several TV timeouts he wasn't even going over to the offensive or defensive huddles.
We're basically flushing $7 mil down the toilet for a do-nothing figurehead because "he's one of us." I've heard people talk about how he's "earned the right to go out on his terms." What are these people smoking? This isn't Bill Snyder or Frank Broyles we're talking about who literally built their programs. This is a guy who's been here 5 years, has a losing record, and had 1 good year before packing it in.
We don't deserve any success.
Quote from: Feral on Nov 17, 2024, 08:45 AMI was at the game yesterday and you could sense the fans' frustration with Sam.
No booing or anything, but lots of complaining and anger about lack of discipline, personnel, execution, and other things.
During several TV timeouts he wasn't even going over to the offensive or defensive huddles.
We're basically flushing $7 mil down the toilet for a do-nothing figurehead because "he's one of us." I've heard people talk about how he's "earned the right to go out on his terms." What are these people smoking? This isn't Bill Snyder or Frank Broyles we're talking about who literally built their programs. This is a guy who's been here 5 years, has a losing record, and had 1 good year before packing it in.
We don't deserve any success.
The problem is, the ones who are in control will see a packed stadium and think no changes need to be made. It was for Texass, though. Next week, it will be less, even for a 3:00 game.
The worse scenario is we go 7-6 after a shitty bowl and they decide to raise donations and ticket prices to cover that $20 million back pay, without firing Bluelight Special(BLS).
We still need to see who is portaling, but we will probably be hitting the reset button again next year and get the same or worse results.
Purgatory for Razorback Football fans.
Fuck it, hire coach Prime.
Yeah he'll run his mouth and we'll have to watch his ego trip, but he'll elevate the Razorback football brand like did he for Colorado (of all places).
Quote from: Borenutz on Nov 16, 2024, 10:03 PMWeak sauce. Name any number of schools you'd rather be in another conference and wish you were them. SMU? Whatever. Okay they make the playoffs and get brutally embarrassed. That's going to make you feel better as a fan? Maybe the road is harder in the SEC,but the feasibility of you winning it all is much better in the SEC, where you're arguably going to get better talent and $$ to do so.
I agree with the SEC being where we want to be but our feasibility of winning it all may be 3% instead of 1%.
Right now would have been a good time to have some of our better teams. We can't beat Alabama or LSU when they have one of their great teams. Both of them are off for the time being where our best teams could beat them now. We can deal with the Mississippis and Auburn well enough, but lately we cannot beat A&M and Missouri. OU is conveniently bad but now Texas is here and they are loaded but we could pull the rivalry card on them if we had one of our better teams.
The odds are real good that somebody will have one of their great teams in conference in any given year and we would have to get lucky to beat them. To win we have to be better than Bama, LSU, Texas, OU, A&M, TN, UGAG, and Florida all at once.
That is still better than being anywhere else because then we would be like Notre Dame, but without the name. They end up in the also-rans every year but they cannot compete when they make the playoffs. They don't recruit like they used to. We would not recruit as well as we do anywhere else either.
Quote from: mde114 on Nov 16, 2024, 08:23 PMArkansas would have a better chance at winning the Big 12 than coming in top 4 in the SEC.
Do you apply this same loser mindset to the other things in your life? We are well positioned in the SEC in every sport but football and that is due to nothing but an inept lazyass coach who thinks raising money for anyone other than himself is beneath him. This big 12 whining lines up with the if not Sam then who and 6 wins is acceptable loserville bullshit.
Here's the future sweetheart, and it's bleak for anyone not in the sec or Big10. The issues of the playoff are that once again the two conferences that matter are subsidizing the hangers on in the big 12, acc, the wac and rest of the alphabet. They will team up and start their own superconference playoff and make all the money and the losers will be at the kids table scraping by and playing games on Thursday night.
It will be glorious not having to hear about " I bet we could beat Iowa fucking state!" Guess what with Sam at the helm we couldn't. Ole Miss competes with two other d1 programs and is doing fine because they have a modern coach instead of a slobbery mess who uses his players as surrogates for his children.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 17, 2024, 09:44 AMFuck it, hire coach Prime.
Yeah he'll run his mouth and we'll have to watch his ego trip, but he'll elevate the Razorback football brand like did he for Colorado (of all places).
ugh I have to listen to him nonstop every week in he news. He's sorta insufferable but honestly maybe he could do what needs to be done at arkansas I dunno
We'd find a way to fuck up dominating the AAC if we moved to it.
You can go ahead and fire Hunter as well.
Quote from: piglosopher on Nov 17, 2024, 09:44 AMFuck it, hire coach Prime.
Yeah he'll run his mouth and we'll have to watch his ego trip, but he'll elevate the Razorback football brand like did he for Colorado (of all places).
Why? Will be interesting to see what he does (if anything) without Sheddur and Hunter. Jerry will probably hire him in big d.
he can probably make more money being his kids and hunter's agent.
https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/arkansas-football-confounding-decisions-too-little-margin/
As has been discussed, Sam nor his staff pay attention to personnel, make adjustments, or have any game awareness.
They put the game in Greens hands instead of shifting to emphasize the run. It's just inexcusable how inept this team is under Sam Pittman. He'll be gloating Saturday about whipping up on La tech and awaiting their shitbowl assignment.
Hard No on sanders. Very shady. That dude is gonna frick up a program.
Quote from: aaron on Nov 18, 2024, 11:10 AMHard No on sanders. Very shady. That dude is gonna frick up a program.
I wouldn't worry about Sanders coming to Arkansas.
Deion will either exit coaching when his kids are done (PrimeTime Agency to manage their careers) and return to broadcasting or seek a bigtime SEC gig. If it weren't for the buyouts on Kelly, Napier, or others he'd be in the catbird seat.
Hogs won't be able to afford him or attract him.
Quote from: aaron on Nov 18, 2024, 11:10 AMHard No on sanders. Very shady. That dude is gonna frick up a program.
I just couldn't stand to listen to him all the time. He's pretty dumb.
I can't imagine Sanders leaving Colorado for a job in the SEC where he will get pwd repeatedly. It was bad enough starting out at Cu
He's in a relatively good situation. Basically the SMU argument again,much easier path to the playoffs at Cu than at a SEC PROGRAM hiring because the last guy couldn't cut it.
To me if Florida or Auburn open those could be interesting enough to lure him in. If he's serious about staying in coaching I figure cornrows won't make it beyond next season. They'll have to Jimbo his ass.
I had bought into Cornrows before this year but you could make a case that they make dumber decisions than we do.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 18, 2024, 02:41 PMI had bought into Cornrows before this year but you could make a case that they make dumber decisions than we do.
See, it isn't so easy to pick a coach.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 18, 2024, 02:41 PMI had bought into Cornrows before this year but you could make a case that they make dumber decisions than we do.
I'd still take him.
I think Deion is gone if any decent job is offered to him this go round. He is in trouble at Colorado after Shedeur and Travis are gone. Currently sitting at 79th in the recruiting rankings. The novelty has worn off.
i think he only took the job to get exposure for his kids and hunter and show that at least two of them could play at p4 level. he wasn't going to get it at jax st.
i highly doubt he'll stay in boulder after this season, but i'm not sure there's going to be an sec opening for him and there's only room for one big ego in dallas. be mildly interesting where he lands.
Sanders ain't gonna coach for Jerry or be saddled with four years of Dak. Shit maybe Jerry will steal Sam. Nope.
Quote from: Texzilla on Nov 18, 2024, 07:10 PMSanders ain't gonna coach for Jerry or be saddled with four years of Dak. Shit maybe Jerry will steal Sam. Nope.
He already has one fat guy who can't coach. I doubt he wants another.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 18, 2024, 02:45 PMSee, it isn't so easy to pick a coach.
The choice between Norvell and Morris was easy. We still chose poorly.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 19, 2024, 05:02 AMThe choice between Norvell and Morris was easy. We still chose poorly.
Anybody else remember that guy who was in Bo's show a week or two before we hired Morris? He had some sort of system for rating coaches. He was high on various coaches including Norvell. Bo asked him about Morris and the guy said Morris was flat out awful by his metrics, one of the worst coaches he'd rated, and would be a disaster. I knew we were in trouble when Bo got a little huffy after that and started sputtering a bit trying to defend Morris.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 19, 2024, 06:58 AMAnybody else remember that guy who was in Bo's show a week or two before we hired Morris? He had some sort of system for rating coaches. He was high on various coaches including Norvell. Bo asked him about Morris and the guy said Morris was flat out awful by his metrics, one of the worst coaches he'd rated, and would be a disaster. I knew we were in trouble when Bo got a little huffy after that and started sputtering a bit trying to defend Morris.
Dave Bartoo.
Cornrows appears to went to shit when Kenny Dillingham moved to Arizona State who incidentally is having a good season.
I think that's always a challenge with dudes coming from smaller programs either caught bringing staff that isn't ready for the prime time or otherwise maybe they show out and ultimately you begin to see where it was they that made the difference and not the head coach.
Quote from: animal on Nov 19, 2024, 08:43 AMCornrows appears to went to shit when Kenny Dillingham moved to Arizona State who incidentally is having a good season.
I think that's always a challenge with dudes coming from smaller programs either caught bringing staff that isn't ready for the prime time or otherwise maybe they show out and ultimately you begin to see where it was they that made the difference and not the head coach.
not to mention he whiffed badly in the portal despite all the preseason hype about those guys.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 19, 2024, 06:58 AMAnybody else remember that guy who was in Bo's show a week or two before we hired Morris? He had some sort of system for rating coaches. He was high on various coaches including Norvell. Bo asked him about Morris and the guy said Morris was flat out awful by his metrics, one of the worst coaches he'd rated, and would be a disaster. I knew we were in trouble when Bo got a little huffy after that and started sputtering a bit trying to defend Morris.
Wonder what ol merc is up to these days. He loved him some hammer down action on a Highland Park Friday night.
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/football/razorbacks-nil-texas-longhorns-jerry-jones-sec-dallas-cowboys
No $ from Jerry or Stephen.
I'm ok with that. I haven't seen any rules stating an NFL owner cannot participate in college NIL but it would make some sense I suppose.
The Jones family can donate in other ways directly to the RF as they have in the past and possibly still do.
Beyond that I'd say this read more like a shot across the bow by the Jones family who's influence may be withering away as time moves on. NWA after all is loaded with HTLs these days...
Quote from: animal on Nov 19, 2024, 01:00 PMI'm ok with that. I haven't seen any rules stating an NFL owner cannot participate in college NIL but it would make some sense I suppose.
The Jones family can donate in other ways directly to the RF as they have in the past and possibly still do.
Beyond that I'd say this read more like a shot across the bow by the Jones family who's influence may be withering away as time moves on. NWA after all is loaded with HTLs these days...
Frankly I'd say the owners have colluded to stay away from NIL as it fucks up their position by escalating their costs. It was easier to pay rookies when they're used to getting some poon, easy B's, and maybe a Camaro.
Lashlee can want the job and Yuri would give it to Lunney because Lunney would come cheaper.
Quote from: obijuana on Nov 19, 2024, 03:52 PMLashlee can want the job and Yuri would give it to Lunney because Lunney would come cheaper.
No, he would try to hire major applewhite like he did at Houston.
NIL bill filed . Comments are good
https://x.com/rjhawk/status/1859617494626922868?s=46&t=6uNMWI6PFOkxijXNhEuvSA
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 21, 2024, 05:10 PMNIL bill filed . Comments are good
https://x.com/rjhawk/status/1859617494626922868?s=46&t=6uNMWI6PFOkxijXNhEuvSA
Asking the universities how they want the law written...
Isn't that like Henry Ford asking a horse trainer how to build a car?
We need innovators who think outside the box here
How is Saracen's idea "unconstitutional?" I could see "not allowable under current statute..." Yes the comments are right - this thing has Oaklawn written all over it.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Nov 21, 2024, 07:11 PMYes the comments are right - this thing has Oaklawn written all over it.
That would be a good hypothetical - would you like a consistent winning team that is completely mobbed up like old Vegas?
The new elephant in the room is this program EXPECTED a six win season and went to such lengths as to skip game prep with other opponents to focus on the games it thought it could win. Is that a savvy mind fuck or downright lazy fucking loser shit?
I'll give them OK Lite...new offense, lots of new skill guys things and stuff are gonna happen. But to be turning the ball over 3 or 4 times deep into the season is downright unacceptable against anybody. Turnovers are a huge reason we don't have at least 8 wins right now.
Against La Tech in a game you would normally like to get backups in to get reps we didn't play nearly as many even with a strong enough lead to get some dudes some reps. That #19 looked like he hadn't saw action since high school though, guess nobody taught him to not run into your returner. My theory is this staff is having to juggle around guys to save their redshirts...indicators of a staff very comfortable. A few golden child types like Kutas I assume will be back for Mizzou. He's an upgrade over Blacknoblock but the bar is pretty fucking low.
Notables I didn't see out there or made zippo difference in the game. These are guys that have played at different segments of the season. Some of which already have a redshirt so no reason they wouldn't be out there barring injuries.
Juncai
Broden
Anthony
Mitchell (Florida transfer)
Singletary
Tevis Metcalf (might have played but didn't record any stats)
Switzer
Harrison
CJ stonehands Brown
Probably missing some...this game was in doubt up until about 8 minutes to go so I can see why we didn't get in as many but this is also a trend with Tittboss. Also we keep having very whelmed crowds at RRS and there seems to be a relationship to piss poor performances and meh crowds...maybe something to that. I think if you dug deeper you would discover that our meh NIL numbers also have a relationship to the aforementioned meh performances and crowds.
Edit:
I'm going to add this thought and I'm parsing here for sure but I beginning to reckon this staff doesn't see Singleton as a long term starter and thus isn't developing him. He doesn't fit the profile for Petrino who tends to like QBs at or around 6-4/210+. Singleton is a Russ Wilson sized guy, makes fairly quick decisions and can probably run this offense as good or better than Green but his "ceiling" may not be up there where Petrino wants it to be. That KJ Jackson could be the future though but they may be hoping to get another development year out of Green's dumb ass. Green could still improve, he's got to get better blocking around him though and Petrino's offense have always left QBs out to dry. His offense greatly depends on the QB making reads and getting the ball out...Green just isn't consistent with his accuracy there were several balls that should have been easy throws yesterday that the guy was woefully inaccurate. His numbers against a shit team could have been huge probably 300 passing, 150 rushing.
We're a loser program with a loser coach and a loser AD, but that won't change because the loser AD answers to loser boosters and a loser fanbase that are content with simply making a bowl that we'll no doubt hang a banner for. We had a head coach that wasn't a loser once, but our fanbase was by and large ready to fire him for a marital indiscretion because that's what losers do.
12 teams make the CFB this year and then there will be 35 more bowl games. (35x2)+12 = 82 teams that will get bowl invites this year. 82 out of 134 FBS teams... as long as we can be in the top 61% of teams at the end of the year, that's enough for us.
We deserve what we have, so keep spending money to go support the keeids and don't expect anything to change.
Bowl eligibility unlocked. Season is a wrap.
We'll sleepwalk thru Pittman's annual loss to Mizzou. Thank god I'll be driving to duck camp and won't have to watch any of it.
Quote from: wmr on Nov 24, 2024, 08:11 AMBowl eligibility unlocked. Season is a wrap.
We'll sleepwalk thru Pittman's annual loss to Mizzou. Thank god I'll be driving to duck camp and won't have to watch any of it.
Yep I'll be at the parents house/deer camp for a Turkey weekend of deer hunting or something like that. *odds are good my mom will serve us a spammed out ham...she goes crazier than a shit house rat around the Holidays.
Quote from: animal on Nov 24, 2024, 08:15 AMYep I'll be at the parents house/deer camp for a Turkey weekend of deer hunting or something like that. *odds are good my mom will serve us a spammed out ham...she goes crazier than a shit house rat around the Holidays.
Are you as long winded in person as you are on the net!?? Being in a blind with you seems like it could be something one might suffer for say finishing last in a fantasy league...
just fucking with you..i enjoy your posts
So it sounds like Yurachek really is going to kick the can down the road with Pittman and run it back next year, ultimately just delaying the inevitable that we all know is coming.
The cynic in me wonders if there's a chance that maybe he's simply letting Pittman eat the shit sandwich that is next year's schedule instead of a new coach, purely for the purposes of optics.
Think about it. Pittman gets bowl eligible this year and then gets let go. New Coach comes in to face the Murderers Row that is our 2025 schedule and winds up going 3-9 or 4-8. We're going to get stuffed in a lot of lockers next year with or without Pittman.
Having to fire a coach that you hired is never a good look for an AD, but his replacement coming in and having a worse record is bad optics for an AD. Maybe that's something Hunter is thinking about with all this.
Granted, I don't think Yurachek is particularly bright or a strategic, long game player, but it's a thought that popped into my head this morning.
Hasn't it always been very straightforward? Make a bowl and get 2025? Don't and you're done?
I thought we had all been acting on (and accepting) that very black and white assumption all year.
I don't see how 2025 is tougher than losing most of your games at home. We've had what 4 TOP 10 home games and won one with the inexperienced QB. Going into this season the schedule looked fairly "manageable". I don't think Tenn or A&M were necessarily seen as legit playoff teams. One may be the other one is a pretender. Ole Miss was seen as potential. Texas was seen as ready for a breakout year but nobody knew what would happen going against the movers and shakers of the SEC. I think most thought Texas would get an education...they didn't.
Mizzou having their typical stride through the SEC for the most part...how they seem to glide thru an SEC schedule is something to behold. I mean I'm sorry but my brain cannot allow myself to consider Missouri football to be good. They got a unseasonably weak Alabama, Ou, and Auburn. Went 2-1. Lost to a strong A&M, beat MSU but so did everyone else.They got a stronger than normal South Carolina and Vandy and won both, both games could have went the other way for sure. They got a same ole same ole Arkansas. Ho Hum 9-3. Fucking MIZZOU.
Weak
Auburn
MSU
MEH
OU
Vandy
Arkansas
Above Meh
South Carolina
Bama (but weaker than normal)
A&M (beat Texas and they can move into STRONG)
Strong
<crickets>
Also from year to year because of the portal/NIL I don't know that you can really say with any certainty what next year's outlook will be sitting here before Thanksgiving in 2024. We know it will be tough. That's really it.
Is there any update on firing this fat slob and our AD? Who are the boosters wanting to keep us on a mediocre level. If we keep putting this off we won't get anyone decent.
Quote from: animal on Nov 25, 2024, 10:45 AMMizzou got a stronger than normal South Carolina and Vandy and won both
Notsofastmyfriend
Justaminutemister
I think those both work here.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 25, 2024, 11:28 AMIs there any update on firing this fat slob and our AD? Who are the boosters wanting to keep us on a mediocre level. If we keep putting this off we won't get anyone decent.
Yes.
The update is that Sam Pittman is your 2025 Arkansas Razorbacks head coach.
Quote from: animal on Nov 25, 2024, 10:45 AMI don't see how 2025 is tougher than losing most of your games at home. We've had what 4 TOP 10 home games and won one with the inexperienced QB. Going into this season the schedule looked fairly "manageable". I don't think Tenn or A&M were necessarily seen as legit playoff teams. One may be the other one is a pretender. Ole Miss was seen as potential. Texas was seen as ready for a breakout year but nobody knew what would happen going against the movers and shakers of the SEC. I think most thought Texas would get an education...they didn't.
Mizzou having their typical stride through the SEC for the most part...how they seem to glide thru an SEC schedule is something to behold. I mean I'm sorry but my brain cannot allow myself to consider Missouri football to be good. They got a unseasonably weak Alabama, Ou, and Auburn. Went 2-1. Lost to a strong A&M, beat MSU but so did everyone else.They got a stronger than normal South Carolina and Vandy and won both, both games could have went the other way for sure. They got a same ole same ole Arkansas. Ho Hum 9-3. Fucking MIZZOU.
Weak
Auburn
MSU
MEH
OU
Vandy
Arkansas
Above Meh
South Carolina
Bama (but weaker than normal)
A&M (beat Texas and they can move into STRONG)
Strong
<crickets>
Also from year to year because of the portal/NIL I don't know that you can really say with any certainty what next year's outlook will be sitting here before Thanksgiving in 2024. We know it will be tough. That's really it.
Texas was also welcome-gift-wrapped a pissass weak schedule and they have taken advantage.
If this schedule works the way it could then it's a roll of the dice and who knows maybe Arkansas will catch a break and win 8. ::)
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 25, 2024, 07:03 AMHasn't it always been very straightforward? Make a bowl and get 2025? Don't and you're done?
I thought we had all been acting on (and accepting) that very black and white assumption all year.
Not for me. I thought he should've been fired last year, and CERTAINLY didn't think that winning 3 conference games this year would get him even another year.
Quote from: TC on Nov 25, 2024, 02:58 PMNot for me. I thought he should've been fired last year, and CERTAINLY didn't think that winning 3 conference games this year would get him even another year.
I got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend that he had been told that he was coaching for his job at the Tennessee game. I posted it at the time but like I said then, I had no way of knowing if that was true.
That said, we sure did look better prepared and more focused that game than just about any other game all year. And Sam sure did seem happy to win it. It kind of makes sense too. If he had lost that game, there was almost no way we could have made a bowl. And winning it, almost no way we could miss one. So in that regard, the whole season did come down to that game.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2024, 03:06 PMI got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend that he had been told that he was coaching for his job at the Tennessee game. I posted it at the time but like I said then, I had no way of knowing if that was true.
That said, we sure did look better prepared and more focused that game than just about any other game all year. And Sam sure did seem happy to win it. It kind of makes sense too. If he had lost that game, there was almost no way we could have made a bowl. And winning it, almost no way we could miss one. So in that regard, the whole season did come down to that game.
if he could figure that he needs to coach all 12 games as hard as a 1 game ass on the line game then all the hot seat shit he bitches about hurting recruiting would go away. not that the losing games or no-showing 3 to 4 games a year has any effect on recruiting like all the hot seat talk.
so basically it's just doing just enough to get by. brilliant!!
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 25, 2024, 03:33 PMif he could figure that he needs to coach all 12 games as hard as a 1 game ass on the line game then all the hot seat shit he bitches about hurting recruiting would go away. not that the losing games or no-showing 3 to 4 games a year has any effect on recruiting like all the hot seat talk.
so basically it's just doing just enough to get by. brilliant!!
That's pretty much my take in it. He does not enough to get by.
His whole personality is "welp, that'll do I guess".
Seeing him pose with that stupid fucking bowling ball told me all I need to know. Mizzou will beat us by 3 scores.
"I got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend"
I am sure this is highly reliable information. :sarcasm:
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 25, 2024, 04:59 PM"I got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend"
I am sure this is highly reliable information. :sarcasm:
The
31 Flavors Gazzette is never wrong. It's been in business a long time.
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 25, 2024, 04:59 PM"I got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend"
I am sure this is highly reliable information. :sarcasm:
Agreed, but its still irrelevant to the fact that we're retaining him after 3 conference wins in year 5.
There's no amount of lipstick to pretty up that pig. It's inexcusable and there isn't another program in the SEC that would tolerate that (save maybe Miss St.)
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 25, 2024, 04:59 PM"I got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend"
I am sure this is highly reliable information. :sarcasm:
They work with HTL's wife? Do they make over $500k a year too?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Nov 25, 2024, 05:51 PMThey work with HTL's wife? Do they make over $500k a year too?
and have a bigger house and boat than pittman?
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 25, 2024, 04:59 PM"I got told by someone who worked with someone who claims to Mrs. Pittman's best friend"
I am sure this is highly reliable information. :sarcasm:
Okay smartass, go back and see where I ever said it was anything but suspect. But, as I said, it certainly does look like he was extra focused that day.
Quote from: wmr on Nov 25, 2024, 03:52 PMHis whole personality is "welp, that'll do I guess".
Seeing him pose with that stupid fucking bowling ball told me all I need to know. Mizzou will beat us by 3 scores.
this...fuck him. We will lose our next game cause we have a pussy AD and board who won't fire his fat ass. We would rather keep up the mediocrity than hurt someone's feelings. I am done with football maybe basketball will be more fucking exciting
Unless Duckman's tits are involved, I don't believe anything I see on here.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2024, 06:04 PMOkay smartass, go back and see where I ever said it was anything but suspect. But, as I said, it certainly does look like he was extra focused that day.
we already know you don't know shit or have any connections but thx for playing
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 25, 2024, 06:49 PMwe already know you don't know shit or have any connections but thx for playing
Oh, I know lots. You should ask.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2024, 07:02 PMOh, I know lots. You should ask.
you know someone who knows someone who knows some else who may or may not have knowledge about Pittman. 🙄
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 25, 2024, 07:20 PMyou know someone who knows someone who knows some else who may or may not have knowledge about Pittman. 🙄
You didn't ask what I know. As I said, I never claimed to know that and specifically said from the start that I had no idea if it was true. So, no, I don't "know" that. But I know lots of ither things. You should ask.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2024, 07:31 PMBut I know lots of ither things.
We don't have to ask. You tell us that constantly.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 25, 2024, 07:31 PMYou didn't ask what I know. As I said, I never claimed to know that and specifically said from the start that I had no idea if it was true. So, no, I don't "know" that. But I know lots of ither things. You should ask.
im not asking you anything nor is anyone else. You don't know shit
Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 25, 2024, 08:28 PMWe don't have to ask. You tell us that constantly.
Settle down gramps, you're the one running your cock holster.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 25, 2024, 08:36 PMim not asking you anything nor is anyone else. You don't know shit
Okay, anytime you wanna know though, just ask. I'll tell you.