Chris Low reporting that Nick Saban has informed his team that he is retiring.
I think this NIL has him like, "fuck this bullshit."
Kiffin time
So Nick Saban is retiring ?!
Woooow
Quote from: Guardrail on Jan 10, 2024, 04:33 PMSo Nick Saban is retiring ?!
Woooow
I just heard the same.
Quote from: Guardrail on Jan 10, 2024, 04:33 PMSo Nick Saban is retiring ?!
Woooow
Whoever is hired will be fired after 3 years. The fan base has zero patience and no one can live up to the expectations that will be on him.
Well.
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
I hope this brings some misery to their horrible worthless fan base.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Jan 10, 2024, 04:38 PMWhoever is hired will be fired after 3 years. The fan base has zero patience and no one can live up to the expectations that will be on him.
Of course it's the perfect time for them to not be on our regular schedule.
Not that it necessarily matters, but it's still funny.
He saw our incoming class and quit.
surprised it took NIL and the portal this long to run off a football coach unlike the basketball guys who bailed despite having much smaller rosters.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Jan 10, 2024, 04:27 PMGotta be. Him or Lanning.
if you are lanning - why? you have oregon rolling and setting the expectation there and with an expanded playoff you're set in the Big 10.
then there is the whole 9 win seasons will not play well in tuscaloosa and all that crazy shit fan base.
Tv stations are saying ESPN has broken the story.
Looks like it.
Woot woot
greatest college coach of all time
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Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 10, 2024, 04:57 PMif you are lanning - why? you have oregon rolling and setting the expectation there and with an expanded playoff you're set in the Big 10.
then there is the whole 9 win seasons will not play well in tuscaloosa and all that crazy shit fan base.
Same can be said for Kiffin too though. 8-10 wins on avg with half the pressure is a great gig in the SEC.
They should go for Chad Morris. I hear he is a winner. :sarcasm:
He's the best that ever did it. I hate to see it because he's the last bastion of doing it the old way. I know he hate the portal and NIL and conference realignment.
Next who replaces him? Thats going to be a shitstorm for whomever com s in. Same in NE if Bill retires. And Pete carroll's out.
the portal was very good to saban whether he said he hated it or not.
i think he hated the result of the portal - everyone can get really good in one off season.
https://x.com/matt_cohen_/status/1745219694192116022?
Kind of embarrassing for the Aubies to me. An acknowledgment they can't beat Saban.
So, Alabama gonna hire Kiffin?
Pete Carroll is put out to pasture into an "advisor role" with Seattle
I can't see Cornrows taking that gig right now
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 10, 2024, 04:57 PMif you are lanning - why? you have oregon rolling and setting the expectation there and with an expanded playoff you're set in the Big 10.
then there is the whole 9 win seasons will not play well in tuscaloosa and all that crazy shit fan base.
Quote from: TC on Jan 10, 2024, 05:09 PMSame can be said for Kiffin too though. 8-10 wins on avg with half the pressure is a great gig in the SEC.
I agree on both counts. It's a HUGE risk/reward situation. 12-team has changed everything. Probably comes down to a psychological thing. Who has the stones to replace Nick fucking Saban? Just seems like Kiffin is type of guy to say "fuck it, let's do it." Of course, the brass may not want him at all.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 05:27 PMOr Lanning?
Not sure what to make of Lanning just yet. I feel like Jed Fisch (Arizona) is going to attract some jobs in the coming year(s).
The better question we might need to ask is who among these coaches has sniffed a fart from The Bear? Anyone? Nope. That's how Alabama did their coaching searches prior to Saban and will likely do the same with Saban's ex-staffers.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 10, 2024, 05:38 PMI can't see Cornrows taking that gig right now
I think conference affiliation (SEC) would be a big incentive for him. Nobody wants to be the guy to follow Saban but enough money makes you forget or not care about certain things.
Easier to see Alabama throw out the big money and try to steal an established coach.
DeBoer currently makes $4.2 million.
https://x.com/cfbonfox/status/1745231602437992645?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Perhaps the most remarkable thing about his tenure at Alabama is he may have actually done it the "right way". Did they need to cheat and pay guys under the table? Saban sure acts all sanctimonious about all this stuff.
All of this NIL and portal business is not worth the fucking effort and I don't blame him for saying fuck this shit. It's damn hard to build a program in this fashion and then have to start completely over every year. Obviously Alabama isn't losing 20+ unexpected transfers like other schools have been known to do but the issue is still the same that you are going to have dudes that you put time and energy into developing bounce out of the program to get a payday. For the kid you can't really blame them.
I think the loose rules with the transfer shit is the real issue. Grad transfers were fine but some of these guys will have played for 4 universities before it's over with. There are basketball players that have played for 4 or 5 schools in college. That's wild. Obviously all these super seniors muddy the waters and that's going to cycle out I reckon soonish.
I won't be shocked if Nick is a senior exec analyst in the nfl for New England within the next 10 months. Unless he truly just wants to walk away...a tv gig may be more his speed.
Troll level: Master
https://x.com/lane_kiffin/status/1745186910140498047?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Can we consolidate this situation to this one thread please?
I think Kiffin is the obvious hire but who knows if the higher ups at Bama want him w/ his controversial personality? Who knows if Kiffin wants to take on the pressure of Alabama, and now he's had the success at Ole Klan and has a top transfer portal/recruiting class coming in that only has to make a 12-team playoff now?
Lanning. Who wants to leave his new slow ass conferences safe-haven. Can parlay any offer into a raise from Nike.
Cornrows. Now here's a perfect patsy. He's in conference limbo and a perfect patsy if he doesn't cut it in the first 2-3 years.
Kirby. Pipe dream. But money talks...and as w/ Saban in 2007, Bama proved they would go to any lengths to get their guy. They can afford $18-20 mill/yr and continue on. It's stupid, and completely changes the game for everyone...but they are Alabama. He's at his alma mater and loves it, but if Bama comes and says "hey, we'll double your contract"...what would you do?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 05:20 PMKind of embarrassing for the Aubies to me. An acknowledgment they can't beat Saban.
Thankfully we don't have a tree rolling tradition because somebody would be doing it.
I'll offer up some less obvious names
Mike Locksley (Maryland)
-was a Alabama assistant
-seems to be a bit of connective tissue here with Tua's brother going there and I think maybe a couple other guys
Chris Klieman
(K-State)
-kind of fits the profile of hard nosed defensive minded coach
Lance Leipold (Kansas)
Pete Golding (Ole Miss DC, former Bama DC)
I'm real high on Klieman and Leipold if anyone hasn't figured that out or hasn't paid attention. These are two on the wish list whenever Arkansas gets away from Tittboss.
Quote from: animal on Jan 10, 2024, 05:54 PMPerhaps the most remarkable thing about his tenure at Alabama is he may have actually done it the "right way". Did they need to cheat and pay guys under the table? Saban sure acts all sanctimonious about all this stuff.
All of this NIL and portal business is not worth the fucking effort and I don't blame him for saying fuck this shit. It's damn hard to build a program in this fashion and then have to start completely over every year. Obviously Alabama isn't losing 20+ unexpected transfers like other schools have been known to do but the issue is still the same that you are going to have dudes that you put time and energy into developing bounce out of the program to get a payday. For the kid you can't really blame them.
I think the loose rules with the transfer shit is the real issue. Grad transfers were fine but some of these guys will have played for 4 universities before it's over with. There are basketball players that have played for 4 or 5 schools in college. That's wild. Obviously all these super seniors muddy the waters and that's going to cycle out I reckon soonish.
I won't be shocked if Nick is a senior exec analyst in the nfl for New England within the next 10 months. Unless he truly just wants to walk away...a tv gig may be more his speed.
The Albert Means story says otherwise.
I would surely take Klieman. Leipold has done a great job at Kansas but not as sure about his upside potential.
I think Bama will want a bigger name though. Lanning might fit.
What about Sarkisian? Bama could take him away from Texas if he was interested.
Nick bought Julio a white Escalade his (Nick's) first year, 2007. Julio signed 2008.
I guess Saban got depressed when he found out he would not get a chance to beat Arkansas's ass next year.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 06:29 PMI would surely take Klieman. Leipold has done a great job at Kansas but not as sure about his upside potential.
I think Bama will want a bigger name though. Lanning might fit.
What about Sarkisian? Bama could take him away from Texas if he was interested.
https://x.com/durag_maxweiner/status/1745211044211962297?t=smZ45BuXdAttHJZElMuBhA&s=01
maybe him buying this little place just before the season started was a tip off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS3yj1q1ePo&t=7s
They should hire Drinkwitz
I thought the woopig group think was that Saban never went to his lake home? That kind of thing is reserved for coaches of loser schools.
Given this news, I'm surprised Yurachek hasn't given Sam an extension and a raise.
Well, they have excellent possibilities out there:
1. Chad Morris
2. John L. Smith
3. Jimbo Fisher
Whoever they hire is someone they've probably thought about for some time, and likely from Saban's tree. He'll have a say.
A darkhorse name might be Tommy Rees, if you can believe it. He's their boy wonder.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Jan 10, 2024, 07:23 PMI thought the woopig group think was that Saban never went to his lake home? That kind of thing is reserved for coaches of loser schools.
Nick went to his lake house often. And when he had problems w/ his boat, instead of calling a marine service place, he called his neighbor...Alan fucking Jackson.
Alan Jackson is the man, you guys.
For the sake of entertainment, I hope Bama hires Harbaugh.
Kirby
Dabo
Dale
Never underestimate the power of Coach Cheeseburger writing love letters to Byrne.
I hear Mike Shula is available.
Pittman could be a very good transition coach for them and win some games for a couple of years. Might be worth a look.
Ed O's hooker money may be running out.
Quote from: animal on Jan 10, 2024, 07:51 PMEd O's hooker money may be running out.
In that case, Norvell does have the lowest buyout.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 10, 2024, 07:03 PMhttps://x.com/durag_maxweiner/status/1745211044211962297?t=smZ45BuXdAttHJZElMuBhA&s=01
I am definitely not counting Sark out. At the very least, he will probably get a raise and an extension out of this (coupled with the year they had).
Quote from: Corn Pop on Jan 10, 2024, 07:47 PMI hear Mike Shula is available.
You meant Mike Price, didn't you?
What's Dennis Wayne Franchione up to these days?
I remember when he left Miami, the stigma attached to him was he was a disloyal job hopper.
I remember the same said about Bobby when he left Atlanta.
Saban was supported 110% by Alabama and stayed 17 years, squeezing the maximum potential out of the foot all program.
Bobby was traded for integrity.
Carry on.
Quote from: bigpig on Jan 10, 2024, 08:16 PMI remember when he left Miami, the stigma attached to him was he was a disloyal job hopper.
I remember the same said about Bobby when he left Atlanta.
Saban was supported 110% by Alabama and stayed 17 years, squeezing the maximum potential out of the foot all program.
Bobby was traded for integrity.
Carry on.
I don't remember Saban getting caught with an AD employee and lying to his AD.
But please, let's not rehash that shit.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 08:20 PMI don't remember Saban getting caught with an AD employee and lying to his AD.
But please, let's not rehash that shit.
He should have beaten Jeff Long's midget ass and then pissed on him to show dominance.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 08:20 PMI don't remember Saban getting caught with an AD employee and lying to his AD.
But please, let's not rehash that shit.
At the time referenced Bobby hadn't either. Or at least hadn't been caught.
Saban left a NFL team hanging and was praised for his courage.
Petrino did the same and was branded as Satan incarnate.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 10, 2024, 05:16 PMthe portal was very good to saban whether he said he hated it or not.
i think he hated the result of the portal - everyone can get really good in one off season.
Well, except for us.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 10, 2024, 05:16 PMthe portal was very good to saban whether he said he hated it or not.
i think he hated the result of the portal - everyone can get really good in one off season.
Exactly. How long was Bama paying players before it became quazi-legal to do so? Then, when everyone else started doing it out in the open, and parity increased for other schools, THAT'S when he started whining.
Great coach, but fuck him for being a whiny, angry, bitch about everyone else doing what he was already doing. Fucking guy was making 10 million per, then when players started getting paid, he's out. What a little bitch.
Quote from: TC on Jan 10, 2024, 09:20 PMExactly. How long was Bama paying players before it became quazi-legal to do so? Then, when everyone else started doing it out in the open, and parity increased for other schools, THAT'S when he started whining.
Great coach, but fuck him for being a whiny, angry, bitch about everyone else doing what he was already doing. Fucking guy was making 10 million per, then when players started getting paid, he's out. What a little bitch.
Good question. How long were they paying players? And what evidence do you have of these payments? Do you really think others in the SEC weren't looking for evidence of payments?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 09:24 PMGood question. How long were they paying players? And what evidence do you have of these payments? Do you really think others in the SEC weren't looking for evidence of payments?
I realize youre a lawyer, but this is not a courtroom.
But I guess we're just supposed to believe that Saban signed the #1 class every year for a decade and didnt break the rules? Never mind the players, companies, NFL people, the list goes on, of all the people who claim to have first hand knowledge of Alabamas cheating?
Quote from: TC on Jan 10, 2024, 09:31 PMI realize youre a lawyer, but this is not a courtroom.
But I guess we're just supposed to believe that Saban signed the #1 class every year for a decade and didnt break the rules? Never mind the players, companies, NFL people, the list goes on, of all the people who claim to have first hand knowledge of Alabamas cheating?
I follow college football fairly close, maybe not as close as you. Where are all these people? I have never heard of them and all this "first hand knowledge" of Alabama's cheating. I am aware of the Auburn mess with Cam Newton. What have I missed? Enlighten me.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 09:40 PMI follow college football fairly close, maybe not as close as you. Where are all these people? I have never heard of them and all this "first hand knowledge" of Alabama's cheating. I am aware of the Auburn mess with Cam Newton. What have I missed? Enlighten me.
A simple google search will yield pages of results. This is just one...and it's not just one person making the claims either.
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/alabama%27s-long-history-unpunished-ncaa-violations-under-nick-saban
And it goes WAY back to a culture at BAMA before even Saban got there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/sports/college-football-alabama-accused-of-recruiting-violations.html
Pretty impressive Saban and Bama were the only people/entities to crack the secret code on cheating and then use it to win 7 championships.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 10, 2024, 09:53 PMPretty impressive Saban and Bama were the only people/entities to crack the secret code on cheating and then use it to win 7 championships.
Auburn says 'Sup? They literally bought a natty.
And just because you were cheating back then didnt mean results were guaranteed.
Quote from: TC on Jan 10, 2024, 09:43 PMA simple google search will yield pages of results. This is just one...and it's not just one person making the claims either.
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/alabama%27s-long-history-unpunished-ncaa-violations-under-nick-saban
And it goes WAY back to a culture at BAMA before even Saban got there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/sports/college-football-alabama-accused-of-recruiting-violations.html
Ok, well hard to believe I missed all that. And everyone else, including the rest of the SEC teams that hate Alabama, like Tennessee and Auburn, apparently did too. Or did they turn in Alabama for these transgressions?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 10:00 PMOk, well hard to believe I missed all that. And everyone else, including the rest of the SEC teams that hate Alabama, like Tennessee and Auburn, apparently did too. Or did they turn in Alabama for these transgressions?
Alabama cheated. They cheated just as badly under Shula, Dumbose, Franchione, and every other coach they've had. Saban didn't win because of the cheating. He took advantage of it to beat a bunch of other teams who also cheated.
Auburn has obviously been mentioned. LSU used money embezzled from a children's hospital to buy players. Tennessee has always had their hands dirty. Poor Ole Miss has cheated as much as any of them and doesn't even have a division championship to their name.
We are pretty much the only program in the league naive enough to try to do it "the right way." Or at least to pretend to.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 10, 2024, 10:00 PMOk, well hard to believe I missed all that. And everyone else, including the rest of the SEC teams that hate Alabama, like Tennessee and Auburn, apparently did too. Or did they turn in Alabama for these transgressions?
I can't tell you what the rest of the league did or didnt do regarding the allegations. I also cant tell you whether the allegations wouldve satisfied the burden of proof required by a court of law, or the Commissioner, to prove them guilty. I can tell you that over the last 20 years TV contract money has gone ape shit, and it no doubt benefitted the entire SEC, including the SEC Commissioners office, to not levy sanctions against Bama.
So yes, counselor, the best I can give you is a shit load of allegations that span at least a decade or more, of Alabama cheating by paying players either with cash, improper benefits, etc., or all the above.
Is this really new news, or am I on this island alone?
I hope they hire Lane but I don't think they will.
It would piss off ole' miss and he can't beat top 10 teams, so it would be great for everyone else but us and vandy probably
Please hire Mario - it is working so well at Miami and his game management is stellar!!
The "everyone's cheating / doing it except us" is just naivety.
We just suck at it like we do at everything else football related.
Besides the field being leveled by NIL, etc. and his inability to now purchase/procure all the 5 star talent and keep it like he used to, I wonder if any of this is related to possibly his or his wife's health?
But I am sure the HIPAA is strong in Bammer Land...
Quote from: mr.zorak on Jan 11, 2024, 06:54 AMBut I am sure the HIPAA is strong in Bammer Land...
That's why the dead hooker and girlfriend stories never get published. HIPAA.
Quote from: mr.zorak on Jan 11, 2024, 06:54 AMBesides the field being leveled by NIL, etc. and his inability to now purchase/procure all the 5 star talent and keep it like he used to, I wonder if any of this is related to possibly his or his wife's health?
But I am sure the HIPAA is strong in Bammer Land...
A poster on TD wrote that she has been diagnosed with Alzheimer. Probably bullshit but you never know. What we do know is coaches of his age who leave the game don't tend to be in good shape after a few years. Hope retirement is good to him.
Looks like it's probably true. That probably explains the suddenness of it without even a farewell tour year. That's a terrible thing for anyone and everyone and I am very sorry to hear it.
Quote from: mr.zorak on Jan 11, 2024, 06:54 AMBesides the field being leveled by NIL, etc. and his inability to now purchase/procure all the 5 star talent and keep it like he used to, I wonder if any of this is related to possibly his or his wife's health?
But I am sure the HIPAA is strong in Bammer Land...
I don't believe the field is leveled at all by NIL, wont be until there's a cap like in the NFL.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 11, 2024, 08:08 AMA poster on TD wrote that she has been diagnosed with Alzheimer. Probably bullshit but you never know. What we do know is coaches of his age who leave the game don't tend to be in good shape after a few years. Hope retirement is good to him.
He didn't look nearly as intense this year for some reason. Sure there were moments, but this is a guy who threw a fit with eyes bulging out of his head over a fumble being called down in the 4th quarter of a 52-0 blowout in 2012. Being preoccupied with taking care of his wife is definitely something that could explain him being more distant and/or having his priorities elsewhere.
In spite of the fact we couldn't beat him, I admire the hell out of Saban for what he accomplished. Like you I wish him and his family well, and hope they get to enjoy some of the fruits of their hard work.
If the rumors are true, Nick's next job (the most important one he has ever held) will be protecting Ms. Terry and allowing her to live out her remaining years with dignity and grace.
I suspect he will be much better at this job than Dr. Jill is at hers.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 11, 2024, 09:07 AMIf the rumors are true, Nick's next job (the most important one he has ever held) will be protecting Ms. Terry and allowing her to live out her remaining years with dignity and grace.
I suspect he will be much better at this job than Dr. Jill is at hers.
This is why my wife and are are retiring at 60. We don't want to work into our 70s and then have little quality of life left. We want to travel, etc. while we are healthy.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 11, 2024, 09:07 AMIf the rumors are true, Nick's next job (the most important one he has ever held) will be protecting Ms. Terry and allowing her to live out her remaining years with dignity and grace.
I suspect he will be much better at this job than Dr. Jill is at hers.
Having been through it, I wouldn't wish that shit on anybody. It is so hard on everyone.
Quote from: mde114 on Jan 11, 2024, 08:29 AMI don't believe the field is leveled at all by NIL, wont be until there's a cap like in the NFL.
The NFL has no cap on what players can make from endorsements.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Jan 11, 2024, 10:10 AMThe NFL has no cap on what players can make from endorsements.
this. and if (when) the day comes that players are paid under contract, nil will still be there.
there is nothing wrong with nil. what has happened under the guise of nil is a different matter.
Quote from: TC on Jan 10, 2024, 10:11 PMI can't tell you what the rest of the league did or didnt do regarding the allegations. I also cant tell you whether the allegations wouldve satisfied the burden of proof required by a court of law, or the Commissioner, to prove them guilty. I can tell you that over the last 20 years TV contract money has gone ape shit, and it no doubt benefitted the entire SEC, including the SEC Commissioners office, to not levy sanctions against Bama.
So yes, counselor, the best I can give you is a shit load of allegations that span at least a decade or more, of Alabama cheating by paying players either with cash, improper benefits, etc., or all the above.
Is this really new news, or am I on this island alone?
They've cheated going back to Bears time. They had a lot of swimmers on scholarship that would splash all of the water out of the pool if they dived in all at once.
There's some entertaining reading about Shug Jordan and the Bears intrigue and backstabbing on stealing players from each other. Bryant is from S Arkansas and learned early if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Jan 11, 2024, 10:01 AMThis is why my wife and are are retiring at 60. We don't want to work into our 70s and then have little quality of life left. We want to travel, etc. while we are healthy.
I waited until I was 62, but definitely our thought process as well.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 11, 2024, 11:10 AMThey've cheated going back to Bears time. They had a lot of swimmers on scholarship that would splash all of the water out of the pool if they dived in all at once.
There's some entertaining reading about Shug Jordan and the Bears intrigue and backstabbing on stealing players from each other. Bryant is from S Arkansas and learned early if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
Once again...remember Albert Means? They were caught red handed and nothing was done.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Jan 11, 2024, 11:14 AMI waited until I was 62, but definitely our thought process as well.
Just did it. Retirement means waking up with nothing to do and only getting it half done. I didn't realize just how much yard work there is around here.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 11, 2024, 11:26 AMJust did it. Retirement means waking up with nothing to do and only getting it half done. I didn't realize just how much yard work there is around here.
Congrats!
It will be my turn next month.
I wish nothing but the best for Nick and Ms. Terry in whatever the rest of their lives may hold. If the health rumors are true, then my prayers are with that whole family.
Nick was good at LSU but his dynasty at Alabama was nothing short of amazing. So much of the SEC's elite status is due to what he accomplished and what his assistants went on to achieve. Sure it was at a division rival but I'm still glad that I got to witness a level of greatness that college sports may never see again. Belichick at least had Brady, Saban had to keep doing again and again with different rosters.
More first round picks (49) than losses (29) at Alabama
Every recruiting class at Alabama won at least one National Championship
10+ wins in 16 consecutive seasons
Ranked #1 at some point in the season for 15 consecutive years
10 #1 ranked recruiting classes
7 National Championships in total
206-29 at Alabama. 20.6% of those losses were in the first year. 120-18 against the SEC while at Alabama.
Before Saban, Alabama had 6 national award winners. Since 2008, the Saban era has produced 60 national award winners.
Alabama had zero Heisman winners before Saban, now they have 4. That's tied for the most Heismans won under a single coach (Frank Leahy @ ND).
Also, Saban is the only one to have coached Heisman winners at 3 different positions - RB (2), WR (1), and QB (1).
I retired at 62 in 2013. Me and the wife (who is a lot younger than I am) travel a lot. She will be retiring in a little over 3 years. Can't wait for us to just sleep in, travel some more, and just hang out.
Quote from: Lurk on Jan 11, 2024, 11:26 AMJust did it. Retirement means waking up with nothing to do and only getting it half done. I didn't realize just how much yard work there is around here.
Congrats! Six months in and I'm still finding my daily routines. My wife loves yardwork, and I hate it, so we've got that going for us.
saban on why now
https://twitter.com/ssn_alabama/status/1745540917048586684?s=61&t=XfqqxhPTKBy20eQ34OuVrQ
It's good to see there's no illnesses that took him away. I think it's honorable to get out when you don't think you can give it 100% anymore.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 11, 2024, 03:59 PMsaban on why now
https://twitter.com/ssn_alabama/status/1745540917048586684?s=61&t=XfqqxhPTKBy20eQ34OuVrQ
I saw that and to me, that is pure Saban. "Didn't think I could do the job the way I wanted to do it, so I quit." I wish everyone had that much integrity.
didn't realize so many of us pulled the pin at 62.
My Dad and his two older brothers all died at 65, no way I was working that long.
This retirement is damn great. If anybody is looking for something to do I like helping adults getting ready for their GED is light and it feels good when 1 passes (the test!, I have to be careful when talking about people passing at this age). There is frustration because they have some attendance issues.
Almost everywhere has a Literacy Council.
The financial key is to get inflows to match your monthly expenses, then anything you have to invest is gravy.
My hope is 59. That puts my youngest through up to 5 years of college and gives me full retirement plus 7 years in the T-drop deferred plan.
My second plan depending on how things go is 52 and see if full retirement plus a new career path for a decade can make up the income.
Anyone hiring?
Bama might not be calling Norvell now...
https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1745601926371451296?s=46&t=kyWBME90McQQ-6xFuh6P5w
Quote from: egregious on Jan 11, 2024, 07:10 PMIf anybody is looking for something to do I like helping adults getting ready for their GED is light and it feels good when 1 passes (the test!, I have to be careful when talking about people passing at this age).
that's awesome.
i've been retired for almost 7 years now. never thought about doing anything such as that, but then again i'm an enthusiastic consumer of cannabis products so it probably wouldn't have worked out too well for anyone.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Jan 11, 2024, 07:24 PMBama might not be calling Norvell now...
https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1745601926371451296?s=46&t=kyWBME90McQQ-6xFuh6P5w
it's a start i guess.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ncaa-imposes-significant-sanctions-on-florida-state-for-nil-related-recruiting-violations/#:~:text=Two%20years%20of%20probation%20for,year%20disassociation%20from%20the%20booster.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Jan 11, 2024, 07:24 PMBama might not be calling Norvell now...
https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1745601926371451296?s=46&t=kyWBME90McQQ-6xFuh6P5w
You kidding? That will move him to the top of the list.
Damn, the cabal is on FSU like the biden administration om a political opponent.
FSU probably deserves it though, you don't become "Free Shoes University" for nothing.
After nearly 45 years of working 70-80 hr/week and living in a state of chronic sleep deprivation, I retired a few months shy of my 68th birthday.
The last year and a half have been glorious. I feel like a kid during summer break.
2 years or 810 days. We will be 47.
I like the helping people pass the GED suggestion.
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I have no idea if this legit, but it makes sense. And Reggie Bush should know.
How much control can Saban have when the 5 star recruit has always been in control of who he can play for?
Before NIL, let's say Jequethius the 5 star is being recruited by both Washington and Bama. He chooses Bama because they are a top program with a top coach and they put players in the league.
Post NIL, let's say Jequethius the 5 star is being recruited by both Washington and Bama. He chooses Washington, not because they have a great program, coach or NFL development but rather because Washington offers to pay him $100k more than Bama.
First, how is that leveling the playing field? Second, how is that a negative towards Saban?
Bush's Retarded take is retarded.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 23, 2024, 09:39 PMHow much control can Saban have when the 5 star recruit has always been in control of who he can play for?
Before NIL, let's say Jequethius the 5 star is being recruited by both Washington and Bama. He chooses Bama because they are a top program with a top coach and they put players in the league.
Post NIL, let's say Jequethius the 5 star is being recruited by both Washington and Bama. He chooses Washington, not because they have a great program, coach or NFL development but rather because Washington offers to pay him $100k more than Bama.
First, how is that leveling the playing field? Second, how is that a negative towards Saban?
Bush's Retarded take is retarded.
The problem with your analysis is it cuts out all the other schools. Suddenly it isn't just one or two schools. Not only can Jequitheus get his money from one of ten different spots, he can pretty much assure himself playing time. Nick has a lot more schools to compete against in recruiting, and he has to re-recruit almost every damned player EVERY YEAR.
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I have no idea if this legit, but it makes sense. And Reggie Bush should know.
I think there is a lot of truth to it. And it's not just NIL...it's the no sit-out transfer year that came with it. Who would want to deal w/ all that when you've had it *relatively* so easy for all these years.
And you can bet your ass Nick is going be sitting high in an ESPN chair at some desk for years to come acting all sanctimonious about it now. He's the best to ever do it...I'll give him that. But fuck that guy.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 23, 2024, 09:44 PMThe problem with your analysis is it cuts out all the other schools. Suddenly it isn't just one or two schools. Not only can Jequitheus get his money from one of ten different spots, he can pretty much assure himself playing time. Nick has a lot more schools to compete against in recruiting, and he has to re-recruit almost every damned player EVERY YEAR.
I don't disagree with any of that. But to some how make Saban out to be some type of historical asshole because he now can't control 5 star players is a stupid fucking take.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 23, 2024, 10:59 PMI don't disagree with any of that. But to some how make Saban out to be some type of historical asshole because he now can't control 5 star players is a stupid fucking take.
Who said anything about historical asshole?
I mean, he is that, but that wasn't in the comments.
And it's right that the playing field will be more level. It's not going to be true parity, but the top echelon will be more crowded.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 24, 2024, 03:38 AMWho said anything about historical asshole?
I mean, he is that, but that wasn't in the comments.
And it's right that the playing field will be more level. It's not going to be true parity, but the top echelon will be more crowded.
I took from Reggies comment that Saban was run off because he now can't control players. It came across to me as a negative shot at Saban. Like he was an asshole.
Fact is he begged and pleaded just like every other coach. Players have always had the power. They apparently were just too stupid to know it.
NIL hasn't leveled anything.
Saban can't keep 5 stars three deep anymore, that's the big difference.
Why pay your dues for two years waiting for your real shot when you can get paid and play right now?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 24, 2024, 04:51 AMI took from Reggies comment that Saban was run off because he now can't control players. It came across to me as a negative shot at Saban. Like he was an asshole.
Fact is he begged and pleaded just like every other coach. Players have always had the power. They apparently were just too stupid to know it.
NIL hasn't leveled anything.
Reggie didn't say anything about Nick getting run off. Don't know where that comes from. I agree he begged and pleaded just like every other coach.
But more and more he could see those players saying "no, I will take the money from someone else" and realized long run he couldn't maintain his dominance.
At least that is the way I interpret the comments.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 24, 2024, 08:09 AMReggie didn't say anything about Nick getting run off. Don't know where that comes from.
Reggie Bush, "
NIL ran him away, he has not more control over 5 star recruits the playing field is level and he can't handle that ;D "
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 24, 2024, 07:04 AMSaban can't keep 5 stars three deep anymore, that's the big difference.
Why pay your dues for two years waiting for your real shot when you can get paid and play right now?
This.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 24, 2024, 08:51 AMReggie Bush, "NIL ran him away, he has not more control over 5 star recruits the playing field is level and he can't handle that ;D "
So it says he doesn't like the system. It certainly wasn't a person that "ran him off." One of these things is not like the other.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 24, 2024, 09:31 AMSo it says he doesn't like the system. It certainly wasn't a person that "ran him off." One of these things is not like the other.
You're the one who brought "person" into the conversation. I wasn't sure why and it confused me. Runt off is runt off.
Regardless, I took Bush's comments as a slight to Saban and it seemed ridiculous. We can move on now.
We're moving on from anything
The comments Bush made are probably 💯 correct but I think it should be taken into context that Saban isn't a coach with a decade left in the tank enough for him to reinvent himself something he's shown he can do. This is a man that like many near retirement said fuck this I'm out and nobody can really blame him. I won't be shocked if he ends up in some role in the NFL as a front office guy but at his age why would he?
This NIL and portal business has created a lot of havoc, has little or no guard rails and a utter recipe for player tampering.
Absolutely Saban is butt hurt he can't sit on his ivory tower and rule over the college football universe.This new free for all has created a system many have desired but to get here it feels wrong somehow. Maybe it's the part where tiny Arkansuk still sucks.
Saban is in his 70's, has more national titles than any coach in history and has done it at multiple programs. He just won the SEC for the 11th time beating a Georgia team that hadn't lost a game in 3 years. He's past retirement age and has nothing left to prove. Reggie Bush has no idea why Saban retired, but there's a really good chance it was just time to move on with the next phase of life with his wife.
Bad look for Bush in my opinion.
Bad look for Bush, but he isn't wrong.
I knew Group Think would come around!
Quote from: TC on Jan 24, 2024, 01:15 PMBad look for Bush, but he isn't wrong.
Has Saban come out and said this is why he's leaving and I missed it?
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 24, 2024, 01:16 PMI knew Group Think would come around!
I posted that same thing a week ago.
Happy to help.
Quote from: Hizog on Jan 24, 2024, 01:33 PMHas Saban come out and said this is why he's leaving and I missed it?
No, but he also didn't come out and tell us if he's taken a shit in the last week either.
Quote from: TC on Jan 24, 2024, 01:59 PMNo, but he also didn't come out and tell us if he's taken a shit in the last week either.
If he'd won the National Championship this year, would you still believe he was leaving because of the current system?
Quote from: Hizog on Jan 24, 2024, 02:32 PMIf he'd won the National Championship this year, would you still believe he was leaving because of the current system?
You understand you're arguing Bush's point right? He left because he didn't win, he didn't win because the system introduces more parity and levels the playing field, so to speak.
Both can be, and imo are true. Greatest college coach ever, who got tired of the grind, got old, and doesn't have the drive for this new game.
And that's okay. Go spend your money, Coach
Saban quit because he had nothing to prove, was old, tired, and didn't want to deal with college athletes in the NIL era. They want to be treated like college kids but payed like pros.
Who would want to deal with that?
Quote from: TC on Jan 24, 2024, 02:37 PMYou understand you're arguing Bush's point right? He left because he didn't win, he didn't win because the system introduces more parity and levels the playing field, so to speak.
Both can be, and imo are true. Greatest college coach ever, who got tired of the grind, got old, and doesn't have the drive for this new game.
And that's okay. Go spend your money, Coach
I'm not arguing his point at all. My point is that Bush has no idea why Saban is retiring despite claiming he does. I don't know why he is retiring either. I'm simply saying it's possible that he's accomplished enough and is just ready to move on with life. There isn't always something that pushes you out.
I'm not seeing all this evidence that Saban can't do just as well with the transfer portal and NIL. His recruiting hasn't faded. His classes are still #1 or #2 every year including last year. His program produced the first 7 figure NIL deal. His best receiver this year was a transfer from an in conference rival that just won the National Championship, so he seemed to be figuring out NIL and the portal just fine.
Bama hasn't won 7 of the last 10 National Titles, while 5 other schools have won titles. It's not like his results have all of a sudden plummeted.
Covered in the "Other College Football" thread.
Tubberville said he talks to Nick Saban often, and the NIL situation was the main driver of his retirement. It used to be you could have "discipline and rules" but now the athletes are in control. All of their money has just made that explicit.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 24, 2024, 03:30 PMCovered in the "Other College Football" thread.
Tubberville said he talks to Nick Saban often, and the NIL situation was the main driver of his retirement. It used to be you could have "discipline and rules" but now the athletes are in control. All of their money has just made that explicit.
Thanks for posting. Glad to know Saban actually did say this.
Quote from: Hizog on Jan 24, 2024, 03:35 PMThanks for posting. Glad to know Saban actually did say this.
If you believe Tubberville.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 24, 2024, 07:04 AMSaban can't keep 5 stars three deep anymore, that's the big difference.
Why pay your dues for two years waiting for your real shot when you can get paid and play right now?
The problem with this is kids can't see the benefits of waiting for their shot. How many NFL draft picks waited a couple of years under Saban's system? If they had gone somewhere else where they could play now under a different coach, would they have developed into the player they became? I think some would have and some wouldn't. There are multiple reasons he had so many players drafted into the NFL. Some of that has to be his coaching.
For those that are retiring, congratulations. For those saying what to do next, I could chase enough golf balls in the woods and catch enough fish to keep me content.
Y'all enjoy retirement! 👍
if it was all about the NIL then why are the Bama dudes in the portal?
you want your $10k nil now or did you want to play for Saban who would prepare for the NFL where the bag is much bigger?
the market is going to correct itself at some point, just how long will it take?
college has always been coach driven. now that Nick is gone, replace him with Kirby and the question remains.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 24, 2024, 07:00 PMif it was all about the NIL then why are the Bama dudes in the portal?
you want your $10k nil now or did you want to play for Saban who would prepare for the NFL where the bag is much bigger?
the market is going to correct itself at some point, just how long will it take?
college has always been coach driven. now that Nick is gone, replace him with Kirby and the question remains.
I think it's just the opposite, Goose. Why should I take X amount from Bama and never play? I can get a little more from some other school, and play on Saturdays.
I think that is the attitude these days.
By the way, I fully agree that the market will correct itself.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 24, 2024, 07:02 PMI think it's just the opposite, Goose. Why should I take X amount from Bama and never play? I can get a little more from some other school, and play on Saturdays.
I think that is the attitude these days.
By the way, I fully agree that the market will correct itself.
fair enough, basically it's the AAU basketball world
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 24, 2024, 07:02 PMI think it's just the opposite, Goose. Why should I take X amount from Bama and never play? I can get a little more from some other school, and play on Saturdays.
I think that is the attitude these days.
By the way, I fully agree that the market will correct itself.
fair enough.
shouldn't the $$$ becoming from the TV contracts and not the fanbase?
it's why college sports is in the pickle it's in, the athletic departments don't want to share their tv money and yet spend yours and mine - tickets, foundation and now the collective.
the conferences started all this when the got schools to give them their media rights, maybe the conferences should create the pay standard - SEC and Big 10 pay the most because they are the most valuable but there's got to be a cap right? or maybe not since aTm is gonna out spend everyone and still go 8-4.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 24, 2024, 07:32 PMfair enough, basically it's the AAU basketball world
fair enough.
shouldn't the $$$ becoming from the TV contracts and not the fanbase?
it's why college sports is in the pickle it's in, the athletic departments don't want to share their tv money and yet spend yours and mine - tickets, foundation and now the collective.
the conferences started all this when the got schools to give them their media rights, maybe the conferences should create the pay standard - SEC and Big 10 pay the most because they are the most valuable but there's got to be a cap right? or maybe not since aTm is gonna out spend everyone and still go 8-4.
Problem is, they will never get to the point where the only money is coming from the conferences. They have been told they can get name, image, and likeness money and that will never change. How do you put a limit on how much someone like Frank Fletcher might be willing to pay for a certain player?
If our first real big money NIL money players are any indication, the dumb ones will take their money and quit.
KJ, Rocket and Brazile come on down.
The Twitters/X says everyone expected this:
https://x.com/ESPNPR/status/1755345008431890798?
I guess except me. I didn't expect it. I can't see Saban sitting out there and yucking it up with the boys every Saturday.
Quote from: jdcatty on Feb 07, 2024, 03:50 PMI guess except me. I didn't expect it. I can't see Saban sitting out there and yucking it up with the boys every Saturday.
He is brave to go on there with noted college football mastermind Lee Corso.
Quote from: egregious on Feb 07, 2024, 03:53 PMHe is brave to go on there with noted college football mastermind Lee Corso.
He will talk so far over their heads, they will be speechless.
Saban will take over wearing the mascot shit when Corso finally kicks the bucket. :))
Saban always sounds boring as hell to me when he talks. They will have to expand the time for Gameday so he can finish talking, he is so slow.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Feb 07, 2024, 04:42 PMHe will talk so far over their heads, they will be speechless.
So he is going to improve the show. :thumb_up:
Quote from: Son of Spam on Feb 07, 2024, 05:03 PMSaban always sounds boring as hell to me when he talks. They will have to expand the time for Gameday so he can finish talking, he is so slow.
I was going to say the dame thing. I'm sure there aren't many that know more about the game, but he's less entertaining/interesting than watching paint drip into my eyes.
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Feb 07, 2024, 05:51 PMI was going to say the dame thing.
A coupla more hot dames on the show would probably be more entertaining.
How many people are they going to cram around that desk? That show is an abortion now, I can't imagine what it will be like next season.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Feb 08, 2024, 07:40 AMHow many people are they going to cram around that desk? That show is an abortion now, I can't imagine what it will be like next season.
On the plus side, Nick might throat rip McAfee like Dalton in the real Road House and end that experiment for the good of society.
Quote from: Hogfan58 on Feb 08, 2024, 07:40 AMHow many people are they going to cram around that desk? That show is an abortion now, I can't imagine what it will be like next season.
Trying to keep up with Fox and NBC NFL crews.
Quote from: egregious on Feb 07, 2024, 05:46 PMSo he is going to improve the show. :thumb_up:
Yes, I think so.
Quote from: animal on Feb 08, 2024, 07:53 AMTrying to keep up with Fox and NBC NFL crews.
Nobody can top the CBS crew as far as being boring and unfunny.
Quote from: Lurk on Feb 08, 2024, 10:48 AMNobody can top the CBS crew as far as being boring and unfunny.
Was talking about the vastness of old heads on the TV screen all talking over each other.
Quote from: animal on Feb 08, 2024, 11:03 AMWas talking about the vastness of old heads on the TV screen all talking over each other.
I know, that too.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Jan 23, 2024, 09:53 PMI think there is a lot of truth to it. And it's not just NIL...it's the no sit-out transfer year that came with it. Who would want to deal w/ all that when you've had it *relatively* so easy for all these years.
And you can bet your ass Nick is going be sitting high in an ESPN chair at some desk for years to come acting all sanctimonious about it now. He's the best to ever do it...I'll give him that. But fuck that guy.
He is going to be insufferable.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Feb 08, 2024, 07:47 AMOn the plus side, Nick might throat rip McAfee like Dalton in the real Road House and end that experiment for the good of society.
I would watch that.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Feb 10, 2024, 09:52 AMI would watch that.
Make it a recurring bit with a different sports celebrity every week.