I know we discuss NIL in numerous threads, but I didn't see a thread dedicated to NIL. If there is one, please merge.
Anyway, Hunter sent me this email a few minutes ago...
Without question, there is no fanbase more passionate than Razorback Nation. There is only ONE Razorback, and like anything that is one-of-a-kind, our fans treat the Razorbacks as a highly valued piece of our state's culture. That value, combined with the passion, has always provided an edge for the Hogs on whatever field or court we compete on.
NIL has changed college athletics and candidly will continue to change college athletics. Just like facilities, coaches and administration, NIL has become part of intercollegiate athletics and we must embrace it. To have successful programs all of those boxes must be checked. We're fortunate to have in place world-class facilities, outstanding coaches and a supportive administration – not all schools have that luxury. Just like on the field and court, we are in a competition in this new space with rival schools claiming to have over 10,000 members in their collectives. A robust NIL program is now a necessity.
Arkansas Edge is doing more than just supporting our student-athletes, it's making an impact in our state, our communities and our local businesses. With our passionate fanbase united, we have a chance to do something special and demonstrate to the SEC and the nation how special we can be.
Right now the rules are clear, NIL support must come from outside of the athletic department and University. That means no money from ticket or concessions sales. No money from conference revenue sharing or TV contracts. And no money from coaches or athletic department employees. Therefore, to succeed we will need support from our fans, supporters and businesses who love the Razorbacks.
In the 1950s our state rebranded itself as the "Land of Opportunity" to attract businesses to the state to spur economic development. NIL is our new "Land of Opportunity" to attract elite talent and spur success.
To help push us towards that success, Arkansas Edge has announced the Drive for Five membership campaign. The goal is to reach 5,000 members by the kickoff of football season. While this campaign is focused on growing memberships, every contribution – large and small – and every business partnership will continue to have a massive impact.
We have a tremendous opportunity in front of us and we need your support. Please join Arkansas Edge as we Drive for Five!
Hunter
We're fucked.
I know this is the era we are in, but voluntary donations to support a professional sports team is the craziest shit I've ever heard. I will support by buying tickets and concessions. I'm not just sending in money.
Geez. They're going to have to address RF vs Edge. There isn't money for both.
From: we are in a competition in this new space with rival schools claiming to have over 10,000 members in their collectives.
To: The goal is to reach 5,000 members by the kickoff of football season.
Doesn't sound like much of a competition at all.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Mar 27, 2024, 01:02 PMI know we discuss NIL in numerous threads, but I didn't see a thread dedicated to NIL. If there is one, please merge.
Anyway, Hunter sent me this email a few minutes ago...
Without question, there is no fanbase more passionate than Razorback Nation. There is only ONE Razorback, and like anything that is one-of-a-kind, our fans treat the Razorbacks as a highly valued piece of our state's culture. That value, combined with the passion, has always provided an edge for the Hogs on whatever field or court we compete on.
NIL has changed college athletics and candidly will continue to change college athletics. Just like facilities, coaches and administration, NIL has become part of intercollegiate athletics and we must embrace it. To have successful programs all of those boxes must be checked. We're fortunate to have in place world-class facilities, outstanding coaches and a supportive administration – not all schools have that luxury. Just like on the field and court, we are in a competition in this new space with rival schools claiming to have over 10,000 members in their collectives. A robust NIL program is now a necessity.
Arkansas Edge is doing more than just supporting our student-athletes, it's making an impact in our state, our communities and our local businesses. With our passionate fanbase united, we have a chance to do something special and demonstrate to the SEC and the nation how special we can be.
Right now the rules are clear, NIL support must come from outside of the athletic department and University. That means no money from ticket or concessions sales. No money from conference revenue sharing or TV contracts. And no money from coaches or athletic department employees. Therefore, to succeed we will need support from our fans, supporters and businesses who love the Razorbacks.
In the 1950s our state rebranded itself as the "Land of Opportunity" to attract businesses to the state to spur economic development. NIL is our new "Land of Opportunity" to attract elite talent and spur success.
To help push us towards that success, Arkansas Edge has announced the Drive for Five membership campaign. The goal is to reach 5,000 members by the kickoff of football season. While this campaign is focused on growing memberships, every contribution – large and small – and every business partnership will continue to have a massive impact.
We have a tremendous opportunity in front of us and we need your support. Please join Arkansas Edge as we Drive for Five!
Hunter
Got it.
Jeff
Quote from: Cornhogio on Mar 27, 2024, 01:24 PMGeez. They're going to have to address RF vs Edge. There isn't money for both.
I was brainstorming ideas on how to make this work the other day while driving.
We need to start funding athletics with ticket and media rights revenue only, and transition the Razorback Foundation and its assets to become the NIL/ player salary organization.
Annual fund donations to the foundation would still be used to allocate ticket and parking priority, but the money would be used to fund our NIL program instead of facilities, a portion of coach/AD salaries, etc. There would be no more situations where a percentage of each coach's salary comes from the state and another part comes from the RF.
If we need new facilities, that money comes from the university side, which makes sense as they own all the buildings and grounds anyway. Buying out failed coaches would be the same.
There would have to be some guardrails put into place to prevent a John White type from funneling athletics money into the academic side at a rate greater than we already do it. Maybe change the title of the AD/Vice-Chancellor for Athletics by dropping the "Vice", and have him report directly to the BOT, rather than to the Chancellor. Give this new position full authority over athletic funds (subject of course to BOT oversight).
There should be enough money with the new TV deal to fund everything needed, including women's athletics and the other non-revenue sports. This way we aren't technically using university funds to pay players, which should keep us clear with the NCAA.
Donors could still choose to give to the university for special projects, such as stadium expansion or renovation. But the bulk of the annual fund donation would go into a pool to pay players. It would be set up similarly to the current NIL collective, but with more assets and hopefully more competent execution.
That got me fired up! Writing the check! #OneRazorback
did you get the email from baseball this morning?
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/wooopigperks/?utm_medium=email&elq_cid=146883&ehash=5e890171793bb3a29db95a7d6089a7b630325210f2b9e6945a263670a7ed556a&aid=16078&pid=arkansas_email_eloqua&rid=2454
$100 Family photo on field
$125 to watch BP on the field
$50 to play catch in the outfield
$50 to take batting practice
$50 for the 7th inning stretch
but says nothing about NIL
as for the NIL email
Right now the rules are clear, NIL support must come from outside of the athletic department and University. That means no money from ticket or concessions sales. No money from conference revenue sharing or TV contracts. And no money from coaches or athletic department employees. Therefore, to succeed we will need support from our fans, supporters and businesses who love the Razorbacks.
this just makes me scream :finger: especially when they are doing NOTHING to fix it but whine to congress, who even if they did fix, what makes anyone think the schools are gonna follow those rules when they don't follow the ones they made?
college athletics is going to kill itself. and if the NCAA (again, made up of the schools) is so out of whack why haven't the schools broken off? Why hasn't Sankey pulled the SEC out? Is it because no one wants to deal with the making and enforcement of the rules?
what a cluster fuck.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 27, 2024, 01:42 PMI was brainstorming ideas on how to make this work the other day while driving.
We need to start funding athletics with ticket and media rights revenue only, and transition the Razorback Foundation and its assets to become the NIL/ player salary organization.
Annual fund donations to the foundation would still be used to allocate ticket and parking priority, but the money would be used to fund our NIL program instead of facilities, a portion of coach/AD salaries, etc. There would be no more situations where a percentage of each coach's salary comes from the state and another part comes from the RF.
If we need new facilities, that money comes from the university side, which makes sense as they own all the buildings and grounds anyway. Buying out failed coaches would be the same.
There would have to be some guardrails put into place to prevent a John White type from funneling athletics money into the academic side at a rate greater than we already do it. Maybe change the title of the AD/Vice-Chancellor for Athletics by dropping the "Vice", and have him report directly to the BOT, rather than to the Chancellor. Give this new position full authority over athletic funds (subject of course to BOT oversight).
There should be enough money with the new TV deal to fund everything needed, including women's athletics and the other non-revenue sports. This way we aren't technically using university funds to pay players, which should keep us clear with the NCAA.
Donors could still choose to give to the university for special projects, such as stadium expansion or renovation. But the bulk of the annual fund donation would go into a pool to pay players. It would be set up similarly to the current NIL collective, but with more assets and hopefully more competent execution.
There you go again, spouting logic again, knowing that it has no place on this board, or Razorback athletics.
Ageee, you're not gonna get people to send money to RF and NIL. State isn't that rich.
https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008
The ncaa manual - the schools have the power to make changes.
Hey Hunter,
First, fix the transfer portal.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 27, 2024, 01:42 PMI was brainstorming ideas on how to make this work the other day while driving.
We need to start funding athletics with ticket and media rights revenue only, and transition the Razorback Foundation and its assets to become the NIL/ player salary organization.
Annual fund donations to the foundation would still be used to allocate ticket and parking priority, but the money would be used to fund our NIL program instead of facilities, a portion of coach/AD salaries, etc. There would be no more situations where a percentage of each coach's salary comes from the state and another part comes from the RF.
If we need new facilities, that money comes from the university side, which makes sense as they own all the buildings and grounds anyway. Buying out failed coaches would be the same.
There would have to be some guardrails put into place to prevent a John White type from funneling athletics money into the academic side at a rate greater than we already do it. Maybe change the title of the AD/Vice-Chancellor for Athletics by dropping the "Vice", and have him report directly to the BOT, rather than to the Chancellor. Give this new position full authority over athletic funds (subject of course to BOT oversight).
There should be enough money with the new TV deal to fund everything needed, including women's athletics and the other non-revenue sports. This way we aren't technically using university funds to pay players, which should keep us clear with the NCAA.
Donors could still choose to give to the university for special projects, such as stadium expansion or renovation. But the bulk of the annual fund donation would go into a pool to pay players. It would be set up similarly to the current NIL collective, but with more assets and hopefully more competent execution.
Seconded. Somebody will come up with a reason it can't be done, but I think this is the way.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Mar 27, 2024, 01:30 PMFrom: we are in a competition in this new space with rival schools claiming to have over 10,000 members in their collectives.
To: The goal is to reach 5,000 members by the kickoff of football season.
Doesn't sound like much of a competition at all.
That's about like saying "our goal is to get into the hunt for middle of the pack" which is exactly what he's saying.
So the whole "name" "image" and "likeness" idea is kaput I guess. That is on par with calling then "student-athletes" rather than "athlete-students".
For $100 I ought to get a 30 spot on KFFA in Helena by a backup OL at least.
Why can't things be called what they are, especially when everybody knows what they are?
Good lord.
I thought it was bad, I just didn't think it was that bad.
The Arkansas fanbase can't afford to pay for SEC level football players.
This state can't afford to feed them either which is why we don't produce very many SEC athletes.
Quote from: Lurk on Mar 27, 2024, 03:20 PMHey Hunter,
First, fix the transfer portal.
Sure you can look at them as a while, but the transfer portal us a bigger issue than NIL. Stick to a 1 time transfer.
Can we just skip to the part where the IRS arrests some of our best players just as we go tot he Sugar Bowl for tax evasion.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Mar 27, 2024, 05:45 PMSure you can look at them as a while, but the transfer portal us a bigger issue than NIL. Stick to a 1 time transfer.
This is my biggest issue. I'm fine with players making money (which they were back in the day just under the table), but a 5th year senior being at his 5th different school shouldn't happen.
Quote from: Hognrock on Mar 27, 2024, 05:56 PMThis is my biggest issue. I'm fine with players making money (which they were back in the day just under the table), but a 5th year senior being at his 5th different school shouldn't happen.
Agreed with both you and
@Barton Fink.
Unlimited transferring without penalty is far more damaging than being outbid.
Quote from: animal on Mar 27, 2024, 05:53 PMCan we just skip to the part where the IRS arrests some of our best players just as we go to the Sugar Bowl for tax evasion.
Weren't you paying attention? We are too broke ass to even make the playoffs of tax evasion, much less get to its Super Bowl.
How many contributors are currently in the NIL program?
With a goal of 5000, I'd guess the current number to be < 2000.
Does all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
Yes, especially when there's so much other things to do and spend money on. I'm a lifelong Fayettevillian and a alum of the UofA and I'm proud of that but there's other things that have my interests and are more important. That's said after spending 20+ years tailgating every home game, spending money on tailgate trailers and equipment, season tickets for football, basketball, baseball. Two years ago we made the decision to drop it all and spend time at the river, with the grands, traveling, ect. and we have not missed it at all. Still love my Hogs but.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
Yes. Knowing your athletic department is bottom tier will do that to you.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
The unlimited transfers, super-seniors, 6 year players... absolutely. Especially with basketball.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
Very much.
Hard to develop an interest in fly-by players.
The significant basketball roster turnover annually really sucks.
The football program is just shitty and asking the public for money takes some gumption.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
It feels like the transfer portal killed the spirit of the game but sucking sweaty donkey balls is probably what we are feeling most around here.
College basketball was on the way down anyway. NIL helped kill what was left.
A few teams typically had one player that was a one-and-done. All NIL did was encourage and facilitate the bigger schools having 5 players that are one-and-done.
But, I've really been done with college athletics, specifically Arkansas (other than baseball), since 4/1/12.
When you turn something that looks closer to a shitty semi pro league don't get all surprised when people begin to treat it as such.
I wouldn't waste money on it.
The part that people love about college athletics has been completely ripped away. There is no loyalty. There is no progression in following a kid from start to finish. The kid wants to be paid understandably but how they managed to bikeshed this off onto the viewing public and go oh darn we can't spend that money from the gate and TV revenue is a total crock of shit.
It used to be that you could look out 2 years and see hope in younger players maturing and being badasses. Now you know they'll be badasses somewhere else.
I'm done. Arkansas sports are cursed.
shit could be getting real..... and now the conferences could be on the hook also for $$$.
https://x.com/ByBerkowitz/status/1773315236071604264?s=20
We either get the best coaches money can buy to "coach up" lesser talent that gets no NIL money, or spend out the ass for the best players and have coaches with low salaries. We can't have both.
As of now we have overpaid and ineffective coaches who can't coach up lesser players.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:18 AMDoes all of this NIL, transfer portal stuff make anyone else want to just stop supporting college athletics altogether? I'm getting to that point.
Yes.
The current model in college athletics is completely untenable, and has significantly diminished my fandom. My name is on the sidewalk at UA, but now - to quote Jerry Seinfeld - it feels like we're "just rooting for laundry" as opposed to college athletes who are taking the same classes and walking the same halls I did. Maybe that idea was always a sham, but I like the illusion instead of the purely transactional relationship it has devolved into.
The economics of coaching contracts are absolutely fucked and unsustainable. You have to pay a coach big money just to hire him, pay him more money if he has a good season, yet you can't fire him if he starts sucking because you're pot committed with a one-sided buyout. When a guy like Billy Napier is making $7 million a year starting out at Florida, you know the sport has jumped the shark.
There's no governance for NIL, the portal, coach or player tampering, etc, which has created the chaos conditions we see today. Players don't give a shit about a university or even winning, they just want a bag. Go listen to Saban's comments during the recent Congressional committee — even his wife was like "fuck this, I don't want to do this anymore" because all recruits' parents wanted to talk to her about was how much money they were going to get.
I've actually found myself becoming more of a fan of the pro sports leagues. At least they have collectively bargained agreements governing contracts, tampering, procedure, etc. and centralized oversight to enforce them.
If college sports are going to devolve into being shitty semi-pro leagues with no parity, no oversight, no governance, and no collective bargaining, why would I follow that when I can watch the real thing that has all of those guardrails plus better athletes?
What the hell are academic achievement payments? Most of these fuckers can't read or write.
I said when this started with the California legislature that the purpose was not to compensate athletes but to destroy something that had become sort of a bedrock of traditional American life...particularly straight white males...especially in the South. And that is surely the result.
I'm trying to understand what you're saying...
O'Bannon filed the lawsuit to screw over the white man, not to get paid himself? Is that what you're saying?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Mar 29, 2024, 08:22 AMI'm trying to understand what you're saying...
O'Bannon filed the lawsuit to screw over the white man, not to get paid himself? Is that what you're saying?
Username.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Mar 29, 2024, 08:22 AMI'm trying to understand what you're saying...
O'Bannon filed the lawsuit to screw over the white man, not to get paid himself? Is that what you're saying?
You're so bent on being an edgy smart ass you're completely uninformed. It wasn't the O'bannon suit that set all this in motion. It was the California legislature passing a law that said California athletes could use NIL. Other states jumped on board, the floodgates started to open with other states, and the NCAA caved and allowed NIL. The O'Bannon case was long over by then and related to a university profiting from an athlete's name, image, and likeness after his playing days were over.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Mar 29, 2024, 09:12 AMYou're so bent on being an edgy smart ass you're completely uninformed. It wasn't the O'bannon suit that set all this in motion. It was the California legislature passing a law that said California athletes could use NIL. Other states jumped on board, the floodgates started to open with other states, and the NCAA caved and allowed NIL. The O'Bannon case was long over by then and related to a university profiting from an athlete's name, image, and likeness after his playing days were over.
I was actually just trying to figure out what you were saying. I guess I missed/don't understand your point.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Mar 29, 2024, 08:06 AMI said when this started with the California legislature that the purpose was not to compensate athletes but to destroy something that had become sort of a bedrock of traditional American life...particularly straight white males...especially in the South. And that is surely the result.
I don't know if that was their intent, but it's certainly the result.
If so, my apologie
Quote from: Lurk on Mar 29, 2024, 10:54 AMI don't know if that was their intent, but it's certainly the result.
They're Marxists. That was the intent.
Interesting bits of tid I heard.
Razorback football is in the top 10 nationally in overall NIL money (7th) but the money was not very well distributed. Some got 800k+, others got BBQ. That is much improved thus year. The money situation for NIL is not as dire as it is portrayed, just poorly managed in the past.
Rocket screwed himself out of NIL money by announcing his transfer pretty early. The end of his contract was voided when he transferred. That was why KJ waited on announcing his move to get all of his money. He got better advice.
One of our returning basketball players has reportedly been offered $1.1 million to go to Kansas. He is not really on antibodies NBA radar and was counseled to take the payday. (I didn't get a name but suspect Battle or Mark)
Impossible. HTL said WE are NIL poor.
Quote from: Spiderham on Apr 01, 2024, 06:41 PMRazorback football is in the top 10 nationally in overall NIL money (7th)
Either there's no way this is true, or we got the worst ROI in human history.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 01, 2024, 07:47 PMEither there's no way this is true, or we got the worst ROI in human history.
Coaching still matters but then "I don't know"
FedEx giving Memphis State $25 mil of NIL over the next 5 years.
https://twitter.com/FedEx/status/1781314441159602460
Missouri must be writing some checks.
Quote from: Doc Hogaday on Apr 19, 2024, 12:30 PMFedEx giving Memphis State $25 mil of NIL over the next 5 years.
https://twitter.com/FedEx/status/1781314441159602460
Didn't our esteemed poster here that knows everything say that big corporations have no interest in getting involved in NIL?
Pay for them to play ball. Once their sports usefulness is done, they stick them on a delivery truck. Great system.
Won't it be fun when a lawyer files suit saying that NIL has to be equally distributed between male and female athletes?
Dang it...we need Wal-Mart to come thru with a 100 million for NIL. I'm sure it will be managed properly.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Apr 19, 2024, 04:26 PMWon't it be fun when a lawyer files suit saying that NIL has to be equally distributed between male and female athletes?
The NIL collective from Fedex to Memphis states to be used for football, basketball, women's basketball, and "other women's sports."
Sorry baseball players, you are SOL.
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Apr 19, 2024, 05:37 PMThe NIL collective from Fedex to Memphis states to be used for football, basketball, women's basketball, and "other women's sports."
Sorry baseball players, you are SOL.
5 mill will go quick across all sports. But it certainly helps.
Tough not to have either major sports on campus though.
We seem to have lit the flame on NIL. I've seen more chatter about NIL amounts the last few days than I can remember.
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1792928020321189943
This is the first (at least that I have seen) of what I predict will be many lawsuits over NIL deals gone bad.
not sure if there's going to be a bunch of lawsuits.
notice the guy isn't suing the collective, where any contract would be drawn, just 3rd parties over a verbal agreement. unless he he has audio/video of the booster or napier promising him that money, his case seems pretty thin.
Quote from: vegashog on May 21, 2024, 09:58 AMnot sure if there's going to be a bunch of lawsuits.
notice the guy isn't suing the collective, where any contract would be drawn, just 3rd parties over a verbal agreement. unless he he has audio/video of the booster or napier promising him that money, his case seems pretty thin.
there are plenty of players who have individual deals as well as deals with their collective... maybe you are right about there not being many of these cases, but as of now I disagree...
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 01, 2024, 07:47 PMEither there's no way this is true, or we got the worst ROI in human history.
I think a big part of our problem is that a ton of our very wealthy boosters didn't really get rich because they had brains as much as they worked at Walmart early on and rode the train or just inherited a bunch of property that suddenly exploded. They like the newfound wealth and the access/status it brings but they're just lottery winners.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Apr 19, 2024, 08:35 PMWe seem to have lit the flame on NIL. I've seen more chatter about NIL amounts the last few days than I can remember.
I was thinking the same thing. As lowly as we are, we've scrambled up college sports as much as anyone. SEC move and now this.
Quote from: jdcatty on May 21, 2024, 09:42 AMhttps://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1792928020321189943
This is the first (at least that I have seen) of what I predict will be many lawsuits over NIL deals gone bad.
I can't believe those numbers, even Jerry Jones says that is a stupid deal.
Quote from: Cerdo on May 21, 2024, 11:24 AMI think a big part of our problem is that a ton of our very wealthy boosters didn't really get rich because they had brains as much as they worked at Walmart early on and rode the train or just inherited a bunch of property that suddenly exploded. They like the newfound wealth and the access/status it brings but they're just lottery winners.
I doubt that is unique to Arkansas rich people.
Quote from: Cerdo on May 21, 2024, 11:24 AMI think a big part of our problem is that a ton of our very wealthy boosters didn't really get rich because they had brains as much as they worked at Walmart early on and rode the train or just inherited a bunch of property that suddenly exploded. They like the newfound wealth and the access/status it brings but they're just lottery winners.
Another part is that so many of their wealth and/or income is tied to publicly traded corporations. Ole Miss for example doesn't have the kind of corporations backing them that we do. They have always had to rely on farmers, car dealers, PI lawyers, and other relatively self-made business people. Those kinds of people can put their money into something with no business return either out of desire to see the program win, vanity, or a combination of the two. Walmart can't justify a national deal with KJ Jefferson or Rocket Sanders to their shareholders. Sean Tuohy or the guy with 10,000 acres of productive farm land don't have that constraint.
Looking back, this is almost certainly a big reason why Jim Lindsey had so much influence in the program in spite of others donating more. He was self-made and financed, and could take care of needs "off the books" that our Walmart millionaires could not.
Sort of old news, but it happened today.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/house-v-ncaa-settlement-winners-and-losers-athletes-take-monumental-step-non-revenue-sports-at-risk/
Flame away....
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1798788006322770048?t=wF-Fl01wEsZNq7HX8Lz83w&s=19 (https://x.com/On3sports/status/1798788006322770048?t=wF-Fl01wEsZNq7HX8Lz83w&s=19)
How long before it is wrapped around a tree?
And how is the rep getting paid and by whom?
https://x.com/on3nil/status/1798812360787796230?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
the sponsor pays his agent.
the kid gets a lease and the agent gets some cash.
Just talked to a friend that I have known for a long time. He now lives in Bentonville and is a member at The Blessings. He said he recently played in the Member-Guest tournament there. Apparently at dinner Tyson stood up and introduced Calipari to the crowd. Then said "I'll be contacting every one of you and asking you for a check" (for the NIL).
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jun 06, 2024, 08:29 PMHow long before it is wrapped around a tree?
And how is the rep getting paid and by whom?
https://x.com/on3nil/status/1798812360787796230?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
That looks like a hog wrap on that car.
Here's a good article from Rick Fires in today's ADG about a 15-year-old quarterback from Evangel Christian in Shreveport signing an NIL deal with Leaf Trading Cards.
http://nwa.pressreader.com/article/7459516396414438
yet another change at the top at Arkansas Edge.
https://x.com/ArkansasEdgeNIL/status/1812917828200358295
Interesting that Alex is exited about "exploring" ways for the athletes to maximize NIL.
Think he will be learning on the job or does he have actual ideas?
From Arkansas Online:
"Arkansas Edge launched a drive for 5,000 Edge members in March. According to the collective's website, 782 have signed up for memberships that range from $25-$250 per month and $250-$2,500 per year."
Based on those numbers, I doubt the Edge is even bringing in enough in monthly membership fees to cover Edge staff payroll.
https://arkansasedgenil.com/pages/our-team
I don't have the time right now to get into it but I'd be curious how other schools are filling out there NIL collective staffs. I feel like most of these people are are a bit green which goes toward the idea that it's not being funded very well at all. less than a 1000 members even after hiring Cal is pretty much a fucking joke. But I think it's also just a sign that money is tight.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Jul 16, 2024, 08:15 PMFrom Arkansas Online:
"Arkansas Edge launched a drive for 5,000 Edge members in March. According to the collective's website, 782 have signed up for memberships that range from $25-$250 per month and $250-$2,500 per year."
Embarrassing.
Quote from: animal on Jul 17, 2024, 06:42 AMhttps://arkansasedgenil.com/pages/our-team
I don't have the time right now to get into it but I'd be curious how other schools are filling out there NIL collective staffs. I feel like most of these people are are a bit green which goes toward the idea that it's not being funded very well at all. less than a 1000 members even after hiring Cal is pretty much a fucking joke. But I think it's also just a sign that money is tight.
agreed - money is tight.
I would also argue that
1) people aren't buying the pay to play concept which is free money for players with no return or expectations. (would you run a business this way?)
2) the athletic department has now priced out the lower income loyal fan on which JFB built the program, the old time money folks JFB could get checks from when needed have died or are not as connected, the new money folks have no connection or concern for the program but do want the social status of the gucci seats, etc.
3) Football hasn't down squat since the Cotton Bowl vs K-State. 23-25 overall with 11-23 vs the SEC the last four years combined with the in-state recruits leaving doesn't inspire confidence or hope.
Is there any sports related incentive tied to seating, etc., for donating to the NIL? They have not answered the "What's in it for me" question for potential donors. A sticker? An invite to a lunch/golf tournament for even more money? Just the satisfaction of helping get the program where it needs to be on NIL? A newsletter from the AD to the contributors? Just wtf?
edit: https://arkansasedgenil.com/pages/fan-memberships
Well, this adds some stuff, but the ROI is not that great. $250/month gets you:
Quarterly newsletter
Exclusive apparel and swag giveaways
Exclusive student-athlete digital content
Invitations to watch parties & tailgates
Digital membership card
Koozie Set
Car decal
Member exclusive hat
Member exclusive tee
Member exclusive hoodie
Discounted pricing for member events
Member exclusive ticket giveaways
Meet and greet autograph sessions
Priority event access
Receive 10% off Wright's BBQ
Hogs+ Subscription
Man, I don't know. $3,000/year for that? Nah.
A problem at Arkansas and maybe other schools too, I don't know, is that the collective is in direct competition to the Razorback Foundation. Donating to NIL doesn't get you tickets or anything like that.
In all honesty, the Foundation is kind of obsolete. We use it to pay coaches salaries because state law limits state employees to $300k or something like that. What we should do is lobby for a law change so that we can directly tap that $175 million a year or whatever it is for coaches' salaries and phase out the foundation. Of course, that isn't going to happen because like any organization the foundation will now lobby for itself even if that might not be in the best interest of the program as a whole.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Jul 18, 2024, 06:56 AMIs there any sports related incentive tied to seating, etc., for donating to the NIL? They have not answered the "What's in it for me" question for potential donors. A sticker? An invite to a lunch/golf tournament for even more money? Just the satisfaction of helping get the program where it needs to be on NIL? A newsletter from the AD to the contributors? Just wtf?
edit: https://arkansasedgenil.com/pages/fan-memberships
Well, this adds some stuff, but the ROI is not that great. $250/month gets you:
Quarterly newsletter
Exclusive apparel and swag giveaways
Exclusive student-athlete digital content
Invitations to watch parties & tailgates
Digital membership card
Koozie Set
Car decal
Member exclusive hat
Member exclusive tee
Member exclusive hoodie
Discounted pricing for member events
Member exclusive ticket giveaways
Meet and greet autograph sessions
Priority event access
Receive 10% off Wright's BBQ
Hogs+ Subscription
Man, I don't know. $3,000/year for that? Nah.
I'm on the fence - are they real foam koozies or those floppy pieces of shit that the bud light crowd uses?
It doesn't matter. Some other school will just come up with a bigger bag of money than we will ever have.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jul 18, 2024, 07:17 AMA problem at Arkansas and maybe other schools too, I don't know, is that the collective is in direct competition to the Razorback Foundation. Donating to NIL doesn't get you tickets or anything like that.
In all honesty, the Foundation is kind of obsolete. We use it to pay coaches salaries because state law limits state employees to $300k or something like that. What we should do is lobby for a law change so that we can directly tap that $175 million a year or whatever it is for coaches' salaries and phase out the foundation. Of course, that isn't going to happen because like any organization the foundation will now lobby for itself even if that might not be in the best interest of the program as a whole.
My suggestion would be to transition the Razorback Foundation and all its funds into the NIL arm, complete with ticket priority, parking, and all the other perks, and put athletics back under the umbrella of the university.
It would require some structural changes and some safeguards. Of course as you mentioned the state legislation to remove salary limits from athletics personnel is the big one. I'd also change the org chart so that the Vice-Chancellor for Athletics has full control of athletics budgets and reports directly to either the system president or the BOT, to prevent future John Whites from deemphasizing athletics and diverting excessive proportions of those funds to other areas. There is enough money coming in from media rights deals and ticket sales to fund athletic operations. Use bond issues or private donations to fund facility upgrades. Allow the foundation to become the primary means of funding NIL or any other player payments.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Jul 18, 2024, 08:36 AMMy suggestion would be to transition the Razorback Foundation and all its funds into the NIL arm, complete with ticket priority, parking, and all the other perks, and put athletics back under the umbrella of the university.
It would require some structural changes and some safeguards. Of course as you mentioned the state legislation to remove salary limits from athletics personnel is the big one. I'd also change the org chart so that the Vice-Chancellor for Athletics has full control of athletics budgets and reports directly to either the system president or the BOT, to prevent future John Whites from deemphasizing athletics and diverting excessive proportions of those funds to other areas. There is enough money coming in from media rights deals and ticket sales to fund athletic operations. Use bond issues or private donations to fund facility upgrades. Allow the foundation to become the primary means of funding NIL or any other player payments.
I agree with all that but it will be a tough sell. Too many competing fiefdoms up there.
I thought I read something at the start of the whole NIL that regulations stipulate that schools wouldn't be allowed to provide benefits for those that donate to NIL. Priority seating to athletic events were specifically mentioned as a no go. Has that changed?
Quote from: Hogworth Ballington III on Jul 18, 2024, 09:52 AMI thought I read something at the start of the whole NIL that regulations stipulate that schools wouldn't be allowed to provide benefits for those that donate to NIL. Priority seating to athletic events were specifically mentioned as a no go. Has that changed?
Give us money but you will get little to nothing out of it.
Interesting business model. I wonder if I could co-opt it for myself.
I'm sure everyone has the #Integrity to follow that.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jul 18, 2024, 10:03 AMGive us money but you will get little to nothing out of it.
Interesting business model. I wonder if I could co-opt it for myself.
you get a better football team. nowadays, you get the football team you pay for.
folks can lament about the good old days or sit and bitch, but it won't change no matter who the coach is until this mess gets sorted out, if it ever does. the next guy is damn sure going to look at the state of the nil fund before taking the job.
if less than 900 people nationwide are the only ones that can afford $25 a month, then i don't see how the expectations can be that high.
I think if Arkansas had made a new hire, we'd have that 5,000 no problem. But people are done with Sam. If not for the hiring of Petrino, there would be zero reason for watching this season. If the experiment works and/or we make a new somewhat exciting hire, things will improve. I don't know how much, but it will get better.
Hire somebody that makes a splash(cue the "NOBODY can beat our coach in a cannonball competition" jokes) like Kiffin did, or Calipari. You've got to get the big money on board first. Missippi is about to be good and it will turn out they've broken every rule to get this done. It won't matter if they get established as a winning(popular) program. Penalties mean nothing nowadays. Set up a bitcoin account and launder drug money if you have to. ;D
But first, we need to hire Cornrows for next year.
I've seen people gripe about donating $25 per month on social media and I get it. Not every family in Arkansas can do that.
But it will take some grassroots help too. They need an option to donate $20 per quarter. Make it easy. Sign up for auto pay and let the donor choose the first of the month or middle if that helps. Surely, they could get 100,000 Hog fans to sign up for that.
Quote from: vegashog on Jul 18, 2024, 10:42 AMyou get a better football team.
Do you though?
What's the guaranteed success rate on that?
Versus spending $25 on, say, a couple of cases of Coke or a large pizza. ROI much more guaranteed.
Quote from: wendellgee on Jul 18, 2024, 11:30 AMI've seen people gripe about donating $25 per month on social media and I get it. Not every family in Arkansas can do that.
But it will take some grassroots help too. They need an option to donate $20 per quarter. Make it easy. Sign up for auto pay and let the donor choose the first of the month or middle if that helps. Surely, they could get 100,000 Hog fans to sign up for that.
Afford's got nothing to do with it.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jul 18, 2024, 11:00 AMI think if Arkansas had made a new hire, we'd have that 5,000 no problem. But people are done with Sam. If not for the hiring of Petrino, there would be zero reason for watching this season. If the experiment works and/or we make a new somewhat exciting hire, things will improve. I don't know how much, but it will get better.
Agreed. It is just like with merchandise. Why buy stuff for a crappy team. Before Petrino was hired in 2008. I would just buy vintage stuff on ebay, mostly because the 200 hog sucked.
When we were winning, I didn't care anymore.
I am back to buying stuff on ebay, so I won't support Heresyourcheck and Lasso Tits.
So if this passes, not only will the players be getting free schollies, room & board, meals, support and any other NIL deals on the side, but they would also be getting a flat salary of around $176K from the university. Make it make sense.
https://sports.yahoo.com/a-250m-price-tag-how-sec-coaches-will-pay-their-football-players-142513338.html
Apparently, we don't want free money for NIL now. I'm seeing this on Twitter: https://x.com/carltontsaffa/status/1822078498174886310?s=46&t=kyWBME90McQQ-6xFuh6P5w
https://x.com/bestofarsports/status/1822212845095784916?
This is all very confusing to me.
That's the most Arkansas shit ever.
"Here's a great idea that gives you free money."
"No thanks"
Why the fuck would anyone donate if they're saying they don't need it and are turning away free money?
I just don't understand the whole "whistle blower" aspect of this article. What is there to blow the whistle on? If it is illegal to take the money from a casino, well ok. We aren't taking it so who's blowing whose whistle?
yeah, there's needs to be a little more context other than one pissed off guy's point of view.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 10, 2024, 03:38 PMyeah, there's needs to be a little more context other than one pissed off guy's point of view.
Did y'all read the same article I did? The casino guy was snubbed by some stuffed shirt and sounds like it was done in a condescending way. Pretty good troll on the casino guys part.
Half going to the winner, half going to a charity(nil) sounds like a pretty good deal for us. Never hits Saracen books.
Instead they told them "We don't want people like yours money"
Quote from: Pig Benis on Aug 10, 2024, 01:04 PMThat's the most Arkansas shit ever.
"Here's a great idea that gives you free money."
"No thanks"
Why the fuck would anyone donate if they're saying they don't need it and are turning away free money?
Gambling is devil just like fooseball, dancing, and col beer!
I am thinking they need "collection plates" at every entrance to DWRRS this year (or whatever its name is). Ask everyone to throw in an extra $5 for each person attending. Make a couple of hundred thousand for the NIL every game.
so after reading around, it seems this raffle thing was going to be done thru, at least partially, the saracen app and that is not allow by law in arkansas.
blaming someone at the university seems kinda odd when it looks like the issue is with politics and not those that run the program, who according to biddy, are all in favor of it.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 11, 2024, 10:59 AMI am thinking they need "collection plates" at every entrance to DWRRS this year (or whatever its name is). Ask everyone to throw in an extra $5 for each person attending. Make a couple of hundred thousand for the NIL every game.
It depends on how we look. Could go over as well as a tip jar at a self service counter.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 11, 2024, 12:34 PMso after reading around, it seems this raffle thing was going to be done thru, at least partially, the saracen app and that is not allow by law in arkansas.
blaming someone at the university seems kinda odd when it looks like the issue is with politics and not those that run the program, who according to biddy, are all in favor of it.
It sounded like a political roadblock, not a university issue. Making it public may have been a smart play. The article said that's it's not exclusive to Saracen and they make no profit in it. Hard to understand why someone would try to block it unless they're looking for a payoff.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 11, 2024, 12:34 PMso after reading around, it seems this raffle thing was going to be done thru, at least partially, the saracen app and that is not allow by law in arkansas.
blaming someone at the university seems kinda odd when it looks like the issue is with politics and not those that run the program, who according to biddy, are all in favor of it.
That was the stuffed shirt I was talking about. Sounds like it was at the Board of Trustees level. This is lobbying for the law to be changed, and it should be. This will put pressure on the legislature.
Would it be legal for Edge to do a 50-50 at each athletic event with 50% going to the NIL fund. Each MLB park does a 50-50
Quote from: Rocket City Hawg on Aug 11, 2024, 02:34 PMWould it be legal for Edge to do a 50-50 at each athletic event with 50% going to the NIL fund. Each MLB park does a 50-50
Must nfl teams do too.
I am with ya'll as the article is confusing. Who said no if the athletic dept was cool with it?
No wonder the nil program is trash and gets a new director every 3 months it seems. Typical Arkansas, too many cooks in the kitchen especially when it comes to football
Quote from: Rocket City Hawg on Aug 11, 2024, 02:34 PMWould it be legal for Edge to do a 50-50 at each athletic event with 50% going to the NIL fund. Each MLB park does a 50-50
That's what they are proposing.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 11, 2024, 03:38 PMMust nfl teams do too.
I am with ya'll as the article is confusing. Who said no if the athletic dept was cool with it?
No wonder the nil program is trash and gets a new director every 3 months it seems. Typical Arkansas, too many cooks in the kitchen especially when it comes to football
My guess is someone in the legislature or on the Board of Trustees who may have alliances with other gaming interests.
a law needs to be changed. online raffles like the guy proposed are not legal in arkansas. section 17 in the link.
https://www.sos.arkansas.gov/uploads/rulesRegs/Arkansas%20Register/2009/nov_dec_2009/006.05.09-003.pdf
"17. "Raffle" means the selling of tickets to win a prize awarded through a random drawing. "Raffle" does not include any game played through the use of a machine or electronic device."
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 12, 2024, 08:43 AMa law needs to be changed. online raffles like the guy proposed are not legal in arkansas. section 17 in the link.
https://www.sos.arkansas.gov/uploads/rulesRegs/Arkansas%20Register/2009/nov_dec_2009/006.05.09-003.pdf
"17. "Raffle" means the selling of tickets to win a prize awarded through a random drawing. "Raffle" does not include any game played through the use of a machine or electronic device."
So what they are proposing is an online "split the pot" deal?. Are these only illegal online, or are they illegal "live"? The local FCS school does them, as well as most local HS. Usually sold by team members from one of the non-revenue sports, like T&F, where they get to keep half the money. Any reason the UA couldn't do this live at games?
apparently it would be done thru both. the numbers i saw being thrown around were 4-5 million it could generate.
seriously doubt that would be from traffic at the casino alone.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 12, 2024, 02:42 PMapparently it would be done thru both. the numbers i saw being thrown around were 4-5 million it could generate.
seriously doubt that would be from traffic at the casino alone.
They've got to figure out a way to get it done for that amount of money.
Just keep selling dino nuggies
https://x.com/mrbobbybones/status/1823480996651786599?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 13, 2024, 07:00 PMJust keep selling dino nuggies
https://x.com/mrbobbybones/status/1823480996651786599?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
I was just coming here to post that. I still don't understand what is going on, but it seems it is illegal to do that deal, so really isn't all we need a change in the law?
Reading the linked thread, it appears Oaklawn is the culprit. Doesn't want the law changed.
https://x.com/carltontsaffa/status/1823451799589957717?
Does anybody know this Saffa guy? Why is his name all over this?
Pittman 85 IQ confirmed.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 13, 2024, 10:31 PMDoes anybody know this Saffa guy? Why is his name all over this?
i sure as hell don't know him, but his twitterx profile says he's the chief marketing officer at saracen and apparently the guy that thought this up.
Quote from: wmr on Aug 13, 2024, 10:41 PMPittman 85 IQ confirmed.
what does pittman have to do with any of this?
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 13, 2024, 10:55 PMi sure as hell don't know him, but his twitterx profile says he's the chief marketing officer at saracen and apparently the guy that thought this up.
what does pittman have to do with any of this?
Pittman has absolutely nothing to do with it. That is just stupid.
Interesting timing on the word salad from the elf in the fishwrap Tuesday morning........eh
Aren't the foundation and Arkansas edge separate entities?
And the word salad:
Oaklawn Racing Casino Resort has made a $500,000 donation to the Arkansas Razorback Foundation.
Louis Cella's interest was piqued when he heard a rumor out of the state capitol that led him to call Arkansas Razorback football Coach Sam Pittman, who owns a second home in Hot Springs and is a thoroughbred racing fan.
Cella is the owner and president of Oaklawn, a hands-on manager 24-7.
What Cella heard was someone was trying to expand casino wagering from the four legally licensed counties to statewide by allowing people to play slot machines, blackjack and roulette on their phones or computers no matter where they were in the state.
To sweeten the idea, and this is where Pittman came into the picture, a raffle would be started and the proceeds would go to the Razorbacks' name, image and likeness package.
The University of Arkansas' NIL, like about 99% of schools in the country, is struggling, especially with the latest court ruling of back pay for all athletes starting from 2016, which is estimated to be between $20-$22 million no one had budgeted for.
So Cella called Pittman and asked what is up, to which Pittman said he thought Oaklawn Racing Casino Resort was on board.
"That's illegal," Cella said and then asked, "What do you need and how can Oaklawn help?'
Pittman explained the situation and almost immediately Cella wired the half-million dollars to the Arkansas Razorback Foundation.
Cella said by phone Monday it was an example of one great Arkansas sports institution lending a hand to another.
He also said it was important for all Arkansas businesses to consider helping the Razorbacks, who are looking at 10 very difficult months financially.. (SAY WHAT?)
Cella, a graduate of the University of Arkansas School of Law, said it was no secret these are tough financial times for college sports, especially those at this alma mater.
"They are competing in the toughest conference in the nation, and regularly going up against schools with far greater resources," Cella said. "If the Razorbacks are going to remain competitive, it's going to take backing from all of us."
For more than 100 years, the two largest sports programs in Arkansas have been the Razorbacks and Oaklawn.
"We know what it is like to feel outgunned," he said. "So I'm pleased to now be in a position where we can help. I realize this doesn't solve the entire financial crunch for U of A athletics. But if more Arkansas businesses will consider pitching in too, it will be a huge step in the right direction for Razorback nation."
Before Instant Racing, the brainstorm of Oaklawn senior Vice President Eric Jackson, Oaklawn was close to following suit like many tracks across the country and shutting their doors.
Instant Racing was the extra revenue Oaklawn needed, and with Amendment 100 grew that into casinos in four counties.
Cella, though, was not through lending a helping hand.
Oaklawn has always made it possible for winner's of jackpots to make a donation to a charity, now they are adding the option of donating to the Razorbacks' NIL.
"It is what neighbors do for each other," Cella said.
He did not challenge the other two casinos that are up and running, but all Arkansas businesses.
NIL is not going away, at least not in the foreseeable future. It needs federal legislation that levels the playing field for every state and school.
Recently getting the Democrats and Republicans to agree on anything seems almost impossible, but some legislative attention needs to be focused on NIL because it needs governing.
Difficult monthly financials...lol.
I hope the entire collegiate model crashes and burns.
The system is almost as retarded as the new NFL kickoff rule.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 13, 2024, 10:55 PMi sure as hell don't know him, but his twitterx profile says he's the chief marketing officer at saracen and apparently the guy that thought this up.
what does pittman have to do with any of this?
I can't figure out what side I support...but Sam is in the game.
Ol Cold Beer and Cella (https://x.com/CoachSamPittman/status/1823404037565464931)
Are we really going to turn down Saracen because Oaklawn thinks 500k is enough? We're taking "This is Arkansas" to a whole other level if so.
How is there truly a hardship and what defines that? A hardship within the RF? The University? NIL? All the above? I assume the stadium and facilities upgrades are a major issue. I also understand that the huge chunk of money that comes in every year from the SEC and our merchandising is going somewhere. I think by now we're done paying off shitty former coaches.
No doubt people including elf writers may be conflating the issue of reportedly poor NIL numbers with any potential issues with the traditional fund raising arm of the UA. Oaklawn blocked this shit because it doesn't put butts in seats at Oaklawn. You have to physically go to Oaklawn to gamble just like you have to physically go to any other gambling site in the state. What happened next could certainly be construed as Pittman shifting money from the players pockets to the RF which btw helps pay the salaries of the coaching pool to include Pittman and his buyout. I find that somewhat telling if in fact that is true.
Also I see Wally still writes like a fifth-grader that is trying to meet a two-page quota.
I stopped reading that rag years ago when they let my buddy Grelen go but kept Wally in charge of sports.
sec schools took in a record amount of tv money last year and it's going to be even more moving forward. the only time the program has finished in the red in the past 20 odd years is the covid fiscal year. i'd have to see some numbers to back up the claim that somehow arkansas athletics is broke.
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Aug 14, 2024, 06:46 AMI can't figure out what side I support...but Sam is in the game.
thanking someone for a $500k donation doesn't make him 'in the game', imo.
OAKLAWN's sportsbook app is getting crushed by Saracen's and Southland's because they're lazy and don't really give a shit about it. But they certainly don't want Saracen to get any positive press out of this , hence the blocking. In actuality, with a rule tweak, they could do exactly what Saracen is proposing as well, just as Carlton mentions in the interview below. He's saying that we need 600k per MONTH for NIL. No idea if that's the actual figure, but there's no way we can turn down free money like they're proposing.
https://youtu.be/91jFrAFDIVk?si=kGp-MHs0nuYyjv4U
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 14, 2024, 07:23 AMsec schools took in a record amount of tv money last year and it's going to be even more moving forward. the only time the program has finished in the red in the past 20 odd years is the covid fiscal year. i'd have to see some numbers to back up the claim that somehow arkansas athletics is broke.
thanking someone for a $500k donation doesn't make him 'in the game', imo.
I don't know, I remember reading this in an article about the BWA renovations and thought it was odd.
In the proposal, the university highlights paying down the $153 million in athletic debt it owes as of the end of the 2023 fiscal year. This proposal will add at least another $50 million in debt through a bond issue.
The hope is that the more expensive options can be paid for with gift commitments, third-party partnerships and the possibility of new naming rights. The university listed renaming Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium as a potential income. Its naming rights expire in 2024. It is unclear how much the university thinks these improvements will help them pay off their debt, but leaders believe all athletic debts will be discharged within the next 14 years. The goal of the proposal seems to be to maximize Bud Walton Arena's earnings potential and this should help bolster their efforts to get back into the black.
https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/arkansas-basketball-bud-walton-arena-proposed-renovations-matt-jones/
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 13, 2024, 10:55 PMi sure as hell don't know him, but his twitterx profile says he's the chief marketing officer at saracen and apparently the guy that thought this up.
what does pittman have to do with any of this?
Pittman publicly thanking Oaklawn specifically while all this is going on can be seen as taking a side in the debate. If the projections from Saracen are true, Sam is choosing the one time payment now (to the wrong entity - should have gone to Arkansas Edge) versus the larger ongoing revenue stream that would make his job easier. If true, and if the Saracen numbers are even close to accurate, it's a low IQ move on his part.
This isn't taking sides in a Walmart vs. Target or Tyson vs. Perdue debate. He's picking a side between two major donors/advertisers in an industry with three total participants. Smart people don't do that and risk alienating one or both.
And someone needs to direct the Keebler Elf to have someone look up how much each schools' revenue is projected to increase starting this year with the new media rights contract. I'll give him a hint...it's supposed to be at least the amount of the projected cost number for back pay he mentions, but ongoing rather than a one-time hit to the budget.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 14, 2024, 07:23 AMsec schools took in a record amount of tv money last year and it's going to be even more moving forward. the only time the program has finished in the red in the past 20 odd years is the covid fiscal year. i'd have to see some numbers to back up the claim that somehow arkansas athletics is broke.
The only thing I can figure out here is that there is a mandate from on high...BOT, Chancellor, etc...to get that stadium debt paid off sooner rather than later, and to use the increased revenue from the media deal to get it accomplished. That would explain the reluctance to pay Sam's buyout last season, and the "we're poor" mentality.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 14, 2024, 07:23 AMsec schools took in a record amount of tv money last year and it's going to be even more moving forward. the only time the program has finished in the red in the past 20 odd years is the covid fiscal year. i'd have to see some numbers to back up the claim that somehow arkansas athletics is broke.
thanking someone for a $500k donation doesn't make him 'in the game', imo.
Looking back at his Tweeters to November and don't see other thank yous to specific people or entities for donations.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 14, 2024, 08:29 AMThe only thing I can figure out here is that there is a mandate from on high...BOT, Chancellor, etc...to get that stadium debt paid off sooner rather than later, and to use the increased revenue from the media deal to get it accomplished. That would explain the reluctance to pay Sam's buyout last season, and the "we're poor" mentality.
Speaking of, seems all the chatter about renovating BWA has died off. Haven't heard a word of it this year.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Aug 14, 2024, 09:13 AMSpeaking of, seems all the chatter about renovating BWA has died off. Haven't heard a word of it this year.
Good. The plan would have reduced capacity. That money needs to go towards talent acquisition. Besides, it doesn't make sense to have fewer seats, even if it has the potential to increase revenue through more suites and premium seating, when you have a waiting list for season tickets.
Besides, Alabama and Auburn have been as good as or better than us lately, and they play in glorified high school gyms or spruced up, polished turd versions of Barton Coliseum. Let's get the results back to the 1990s and then spend any windfalls on remodeling our arena.
This brings up a point I mentioned a while back. Our method of funding is obsolete and we have the Foundation and our NIL fund in direct competition with each other.
The old school establishment at Arkansas personified in the Foundation wants to go back to the way things were and wants Congress to make a fix. The new guys personified by NIL want to do what it takes to win and not get left behind by the rest of the SEC.
I've news for the old guys. In this political climate, Congress ain't gonna do a damned thing that will be perceived as limiting the earning potential of young black men in order to help rich white men save a sport that largely caters to middle class white men. Financially speaking, there simply isn't enough money in college sports to influence Congress on something like that. Sure, it's big money but it ain't tech industry or military industrial complex big.
So Arkansas will languish until we finally decide to catch up right about the time the paradigm changes again.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Aug 14, 2024, 10:10 AMThis brings up a point I mentioned a while back. Our method of funding is obsolete and we have the Foundation and our NIL fund in direct competition with each other.
The old school establishment at Arkansas personified in the Foundation wants to go back to the way things were and wants Congress to make a fix. The new guys personified by NIL want to do what it takes to win and not get left behind by the rest of the SEC.
I've news for the old guys. In this political climate, Congress ain't gonna do a damned thing that will be perceived as limiting the earning potential of young black men in order to help rich white men save a sport that largely caters to middle class white men. Financially speaking, there simply isn't enough money in college sports to influence Congress on something like that. Sure, it's big money but it ain't tech industry or military industrial complex big.
So Arkansas will languish until we finally decide to catch up right about the time the paradigm changes again.
Don't you realize how many millions of people can see the negativity you are spreading? This simply hurts the program. If you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all.😊
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 14, 2024, 11:02 AMDon't you realize how many millions of people can see the negativity you are spreading? This simply hurts the program. If you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all.😊
Meh, I hope it does. Put me and this program out of our misery.
Every season I get less and less excited about Arkansas football.
It truly sucks having the only collegiate sports program with issues. If only we could find someone from one of the other 325 colleges that know what the fuck they are doing. And don't get me started on how dumb Arkansas fans are compared to every other fan out there. Its a wonder we can even turn the lights on much less field a team.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 14, 2024, 12:16 PMIt truly sucks having the only collegiate sports program with issues. If only we could find someone from one of the other 325 colleges that know what the fuck they are doing. And don't get me started on how dumb Arkansas fans are compared to every other fan out there. Its a wonder we can even turn the lights on much less field a team.
Is it more of a commentary on me or our program if I can't tell it you're being serious or not?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 14, 2024, 07:07 AMAre we really going to turn down Saracen because Oaklawn thinks 500k is enough? We're taking "This is Arkansas" to a whole other level if so.
You realize we aren't turning down Saracen right?
Pay the kids their nil out of the revenue the athletic department makes, I still don't understand why the fans have to foot that bill.
Also, how many businesses in Arkansas can realistically just hand over a half mil with no return ? Helps to be privately owned and not have to answer to stockholders, etc.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 14, 2024, 12:46 PMPay the kids their nil out of the revenue the athletic department makes, I still don't understand why the fans have to foot that bill.
Also, how many businesses in Arkansas can realistically just hand over a half mil with no return ? Helps to be privately owned and not have to answer to stockholders, etc.
Also helps that they keep increasing prices, no perks for the people that pump weight, treat horse owners like shit, crap on the horseplayers etc
listening to this interview now:
https://x.com/carltontsaffa/status/1823763133137346644
I have now listened to the whole thing and all the confusion is gone-- I don't understand at all why Oaklawn is against this.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 14, 2024, 03:35 PMI have now listened to the whole thing and all the confusion is gone-- I don't understand at all why Oaklawn is against this.
Because they don't want to do it themselves (no profit in it for them), and they can't stand Saracen getting all of the free publicity and good vibes from people around the stat if/when it does happen.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 14, 2024, 03:55 PMBecause they don't want to do it themselves (no profit in it for them), and they can't stand Saracen getting all of the free publicity and good vibes from people around the stat if/when it does happen.
But there is profit in it for them, because it would allow all sorts of gambling over the phone that isn't currently allowed.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 14, 2024, 04:18 PMBut there is profit in it for them, because it would allow all sorts of gambling over the phone that isn't currently allowed.
As usual, they are way behind tech wise and don't have a product. Absolute dinosaur.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 14, 2024, 04:18 PMBut there is profit in it for them, because it would allow all sorts of gambling over the phone that isn't currently allowed.
Gambling over the phone is already allowed. They have a sportsbook app. It just sucks. Folks would still probably choose Saracen over them. Just like they're doing now.
Saracen and the Southland apps do more monthly handle than the OAKLAWN app.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 14, 2024, 04:24 PMThey already have a sportsbook app. It just sucks. Folks would still probably choose Saracen over them. Just like they're doing now.
Saracen and the Southland apps do more monthly handle than the OAKLAWN app.
It's low margin and low priority.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 14, 2024, 04:24 PMGambling over the phone is already allowed. They have a sportsbook app. It just sucks. Folks would still probably choose Saracen over them. Just like they're doing now.
Saracen and the Southland apps do more monthly handle than the OAKLAWN app.
I'm not defending the Oaklawn app in any way. But this proposal would allow gambling on things like slot machines and video poker over the phone, which is NOT currently allowed. If you listened to this guy, their argument is that the overseas/offshore apps already do that kind of gambling, but the Arkansas gambling operations can't.
Yep, if folks want online video poker and slots they can already find a way to do that. There's no reason not let Arkansas casinos do that and keep the money here. But OAKLAWN doesn't want to do that. As HTL said, "low priority" for them.
Saracen would benefit way more than they would. And therein lies the problem.
Since Cyclops took over as governor you can't watch much pron in Arkansas either. Allegedly I mean I wouldn't know myself. So anyway it makes sense that our gambling laws are favoring ole boys in Hot Springs over the new kid in town.
Quote from: animal on Aug 14, 2024, 06:36 PMSince Cyclops took over as governor you can't watch much pron in Arkansas either. Allegedly I mean I wouldn't know myself. So anyway it makes sense that our gambling laws are favoring ole boys in Hot Springs over the new kid in town.
I don't disagree with this as far as the governor goes. But the laws don't really favor Oaklawn over the others at this time. Apparently Oaklawn just doesn't want to go to the effort to expand.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 14, 2024, 06:41 PMI don't disagree with this as far as the governor goes. But the laws don't really favor Oaklawn over the others at this time. Apparently Oaklawn just doesn't want to go to the effort to expand.
Which is Oaklawn's right, but it shouldn't be allowed to stop the others who are willing to put in the effort. Especially if they're helping the Hogs along the way.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Aug 14, 2024, 06:50 PMWhich is Oaklawn's right, but it shouldn't be allowed to stop the others who are willing to put in the effort. Especially if they're helping the Hogs along the way.
I agree fully.
Someone posted today that Georgia Tech guaranteed a player $800k a year for three years. I don't think we just bought a sec championship with that donation.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Aug 14, 2024, 07:17 PMSomeone posted today that Georgia Tech guaranteed a player $800k a year for three years. I don't think we just bought a sec championship with that donation.
Right. We need a $500k check from them every month in addition to all the individual donations. I don't ever expect us to spend $20MM like Ohio St. but we'll need at least half of that to even be competitive.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Aug 14, 2024, 08:43 PMRight. We need a $500k check from them every month in addition to all the individual donations. I don't ever expect us to spend $20MM like Ohio St. but we'll need at least half of that to even be competitive.
Lol
The Saracen guy is being disingenuous. I stand with Oaklawn despite beers going up to $7 and shitting on us horseplayers. That $2.5mm trackside house isn't gonna pay for itself.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 07:43 AMThe Saracen guy is being disingenuous. I stand with Oaklawn despite beers going up to $7 and shitting on us horseplayers. That $2.5mm trackside house isn't gonna pay for itself.
It's certainly clear Little Wally is "standing" with Oaklawn after this morning's column. I really don't know how to feel about this issue. But I am not worried about Cella's ability to pay for the new trackside house.
I wonder how many states now allow unlimited casino games over the phone. I wouldn't play them but I guess a lot of people would.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 15, 2024, 08:38 AMIt's certainly clear Little Wally is "standing" with Oaklawn after this morning's column. I really don't know how to feel about this issue. But I am not worried about Cella's ability to pay for the new trackside house.
I wonder how many states now allow unlimited casino games over the phone. I wouldn't play them but I guess a lot of people would.
I do not believe for one second Saracen is going without taking a cent from this.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 08:44 AMI do not believe for one second Saracen is going without taking a cent from this.
Does it really matter? Who cares if someone really has "ulterior motives" as long the NIL gets the money they're promising?
We need this or something very similar to survive. Arkansas football already has one foot in the grave, without this you can go ahead and bury it 6 foot under.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 08:44 AMI do not believe for one second Saracen is going without taking a cent from this.
They aren't taking a cent directly from it. That part is legit.
What they are getting are 1) essentially free advertising and goodwill and 2) a backdoor ability to run casino-type gaming on mobile apps.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 15, 2024, 09:02 AMa backdoor ability to run casino-type gaming on mobile apps.
i think that is their primary motivation, and using nil as a huge carrot is pretty damn good strategy.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 15, 2024, 09:07 AMi think that is their primary motivation, and using nil as a huge carrot is pretty damn good strategy.
Yep. And if you can believe him, Saffa (the Saracen guy) said that the Edge came to HIM with this idea.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 15, 2024, 08:55 AMDoes it really matter? Who cares if someone really has "ulterior motives" as long the NIL gets the money they're promising?
We need this or something very similar to survive. Arkansas football already has one foot in the grave, without this you can go ahead and bury it 6 foot under.
Fuck NIL. I don't care if the players get a dime.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 09:10 AMFuck NIL. I don't care if the players get a dime.
I don't think any of us care if they get paid. But we should all give a damn if we're losing out on a potential competitive advantage, or at least on a chance to reduce a massive disadvantage.
As long as we're going to field a team we need to do all we can to make that team as successful as possible. If we aren't willing to do that, cut expenditures to next to nothing, hire some high school coach for $250K per year to run it, and funnel any and all revenues to basketball and baseball, as well as any other sports where we are competitive.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 09:10 AMFuck NIL. I don't care if the players get a dime.
That's cool. We just won't have an athletic department or any sports teams anymore.
And we can talk about firing Sam all we want, but without a competitive NIL deal in place we aren't hiring any coach worth a shit to replace him. We had no clue what to do about a basketball coach until Tyson stepped up with his cash and Cal fell in our lap.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 15, 2024, 09:13 AMI don't think any of us care if they get paid. But we should all give a damn if we're losing out on a potential competitive advantage, or at least on a chance to reduce a massive disadvantage.
As long as we're going to field a team we need to do all we can to make that team as successful as possible. If we aren't willing to do that, cut expenditures to next to nothing, hire some high school coach for $250K per year to run it, and funnel any and all revenues to basketball and baseball, as well as any other sports where we are competitive.
Works for me. They've ruined college sports.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 15, 2024, 09:09 AMYep. And if you can believe him, Saffa (the Saracen guy) said that the Edge came to HIM with this idea.
Seems like a win for all involved except for Oaklawn so let's not do it.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Aug 15, 2024, 09:23 AMSeems like a win for all involved except for Oaklawn so let's not do it.
That seems to be the way it's trending.
We get this easy, free money deal offered and we're too stupid to take it.
Broyles would have been at the statehouse yesterday shaking hands, kissing babies, and threatening the life of any motherfucker that didn't vote to get the law changed to allow this to happen.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 15, 2024, 09:25 AMThat seems to be the way it's trending.
We get this easy, free money deal offered and we're too stupid to take it.
Never underestimate the amount of influence Oaklawn has in state government.
If they want this issue blocked, blocked is likely what it will be.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 15, 2024, 09:33 AMNever underestimate the amount of influence Oaklawn has in state government.
If they want this issue blocked, blocked is likely what it will be.
Broyles vs cella would have been an interesting fight to watch
Quote from: BASS on Aug 15, 2024, 09:34 AMBroyles vs cella would have been an interesting fight to watch
True, but they were both savvy enough to have worked something out without letting it hit the news.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 08:44 AMI do not believe for one second Saracen is going without taking a cent from this.
Actually I do believe it. This is Saracen's play for the long term-- take nothing from this, but get online gaming of all sorts forever.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 15, 2024, 09:37 AMTrue, but they were both savvy enough to have worked something out without letting it hit the news.
No contest. One is a made man.
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Aug 15, 2024, 09:09 AMYep. And if you can believe him, Saffa (the Saracen guy) said that the Edge came to HIM with this idea.
Being a Memphis rug merchant must not be quite lucrative enough for this deal.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 09:47 AMNo contest. One is a made man.
Everybody seems scared to death of him. For once, I think you may be right.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 09:47 AMNo contest. One is a made man.
Of course, but he wasn't stupid either. And he liked money.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 15, 2024, 11:24 AMEverybody seems scared to death of him. For once, I think you may be right.
I am right. At least he married a Razorback.
Fuck those wanna-be gangsters in Hot Springs. Ima ride with my boys from the Bluff.
Quote from: mde114 on Aug 15, 2024, 12:49 PMFuck those wanna-be gangsters in Hot Springs. Ima ride with my boys from the Bluff.
East LA represent.
You can't legislate morality any more. Change the stupid law.
This Saffa guy seems like a nut.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 15, 2024, 01:21 PMEast LA represent.
You can't legislate morality any more. Change the stupid law.
Morality? You fucking pussy. Real men love to gamble.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Aug 15, 2024, 04:08 PMMorality? You fucking pussy. Real men love to gamble.
Drunk already? Or just stupid, like always.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 15, 2024, 04:28 PMDrunk already? Or just stupid, like always.
Can't it be both?
Fucking LSU
https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2024/08/15/livvy-dunne-jayden-daniels-angel-reese-star-in-trailer-for-lsu-nil-docuseries-the-money-game/
Quote from: buff2.0 on Aug 17, 2024, 04:30 PMFucking LSU
https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2024/08/15/livvy-dunne-jayden-daniels-angel-reese-star-in-trailer-for-lsu-nil-docuseries-the-money-game/
That is really good. If we're going to copy something, that would be it. Just need some smokin' gymnasts and basketball players. Would have been great when Chelsea Dungee was here.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 14, 2024, 08:29 AMThe only thing I can figure out here is that there is a mandate from on high...BOT, Chancellor, etc...to get that stadium debt paid off sooner rather than later, and to use the increased revenue from the media deal to get it accomplished. That would explain the reluctance to pay Sam's buyout last season, and the "we're poor" mentality.
Probably an adjustable rate mortgage.
Quote from: Cornhogio on Aug 17, 2024, 04:42 PMThat is really good. If we're going to copy something, that would be it. Just need some smokin' gymnasts and basketball players. Would have been great when Chelsea Dungee was here.
Should have paid Saylor to stay
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1825920156981182920
Well this is interesting. The day is rapidly approaching when players will have emblems of some sort all over their jerseys for companies that support them...
like race car drivers... and I will fucking hate that
I'll simply stop watching. The whole system is going retarded.
Might as watch NFL
What's the difference
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 20, 2024, 10:41 AMhttps://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1825920156981182920
Well this is interesting. The day is rapidly approaching when players will have emblems of some sort all over their jerseys for companies that support them...
like race car drivers... and I will fucking hate that
What good is that going to do? How are you going to scan it? They need an RF tag and an app that you can give in real time during a game and post the results on the scoreboard. After a big play, we could just drop a little cash in their accounts. That way you couldn't just quit like KJ and Rocket did last year. This could also be modified to use in our dystopian future to vote if the gladiator gets to live or not.
All of the above is sarcasm. I knew they would ruin it. I'm sure this season will end it for me. Its not worth it to have to suffer through an election year of crappy commercials
and be mad about how much we suck.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 20, 2024, 11:34 AMWhat good is that going to do? How are you going to scan it? They need an RF tag and an app that you can give in real time during a game and post the results on the scoreboard. After a big play, we could just drop a little cash in their accounts. That way you couldn't just quit like KJ and Rocket did last year. This could also be modified to use in our dystopian future to vote if the gladiator gets to live or not.
Actually, I could be for this one. Make a hell of a run, I might tip you.
Quote from: Too Big Pig on Aug 20, 2024, 05:29 PMActually, I could be for this one. Make a hell of a run, I might tip you.
I would sure wait till the end of the game. That good run might be followed by 3 fumbles.
Alabama now pays a General Manager $2.5 million, because it's professional football that needs professional roster management.
https://www.newser.com/article/afb16d6aaf08cb52d8088410b1e1f265/alabama-gave-a-big-contract-to-its-gm-why-college-football-teams-are-operating-more-like-pros.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_sports_login
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Aug 20, 2024, 06:03 PMAlabama now pays a General Manager $2.5 million, because it's professional football that needs professional roster management.
https://www.newser.com/article/afb16d6aaf08cb52d8088410b1e1f265/alabama-gave-a-big-contract-to-its-gm-why-college-football-teams-are-operating-more-like-pros.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_sports_login
Not surprised. I was thinking that we need a GM. I wonder what the point of an AD will be in a few years.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Aug 20, 2024, 07:49 PMNot surprised. I was thinking that we need a GM. I wonder what the point of an AD will be in a few years.
isn't someone who runs the athletic program (not just the football team) already like a gm?
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 20, 2024, 07:57 PMisn't someone who runs the athletic program (not just the football team) already like a gm?
Sort of, but he has more than just football to contend with.
A GM for each of the three main sports sounds better than one person dividing his attention over multiple sports.
Quote from: piglosopher on Aug 20, 2024, 11:06 AMMight as watch NFL
What's the difference
A new goofy-dick kickoff rule?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Aug 20, 2024, 06:03 PMAlabama now pays a General Manager $2.5 million, because it's professional football that needs professional roster management.
https://www.newser.com/article/afb16d6aaf08cb52d8088410b1e1f265/alabama-gave-a-big-contract-to-its-gm-why-college-football-teams-are-operating-more-like-pros.html?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_sports_login
be intesting to see how many other schools can do afford to do that with the house settlement tab coming.
UA-Fayetteville expects to have to share roughly $21.5 million with student-athletes — mostly for football and men's basketball players — next year as part of the proposed settlement, a sum "we don't have sitting there for us."
Entering fiscal year 2024-25, the program has $173 million in expenses and the same in revenues, Yurachek said, so "I need to find levers to increase revenues and decrease expenses" in order to find that $21.5 million next year.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 20, 2024, 10:18 PMbe intesting to see how many other schools can do afford to do that with the house settlement tab coming.
UA-Fayetteville expects to have to share roughly $21.5 million with student-athletes — mostly for football and men's basketball players — next year as part of the proposed settlement, a sum "we don't have sitting there for us."
Entering fiscal year 2024-25, the program has $173 million in expenses and the same in revenues, Yurachek said, so "I need to find levers to increase revenues and decrease expenses" in order to find that $21.5 million next year.
Saracen casino says, "How you doin'?"
I hope the whole system goes bankrupt. I would pay good money to see a Bear Bryant navigate these waters.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 20, 2024, 10:18 PMbe intesting to see how many other schools can do afford to do that with the house settlement tab coming.
UA-Fayetteville expects to have to share roughly $21.5 million with student-athletes — mostly for football and men's basketball players — next year as part of the proposed settlement, a sum "we don't have sitting there for us."
Entering fiscal year 2024-25, the program has $173 million in expenses and the same in revenues, Yurachek said, so "I need to find levers to increase revenues and decrease expenses" in order to find that $21.5 million next year.
Someone is lying, unless we were somehow losing $20-30 million each of the last few years.
The lever is the increased media payout that starts this year. Use it, and stop blowing smoke up our asses.
If the problem is wanting to retire the debt from Long's Folly sooner, abandon that stupid idea. It makes no sense to retire low interest debt early when rates are high. Or at least it doesn't when you have immediate needs like the revenue sharing and a pending buyout of your football coach that are far more vital to the long term financial viability of the program.
I am still having a hard time understanding this shit. Why would anyone with any sense and any money, throw it away to an unknown (player) who has or hasn't played a down of college football and expect nothing in the way of ROI? Then, said player probably portals to the next highest bidder next year. What are these companies getting out of this?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Aug 21, 2024, 08:17 AMI am still having a hard time understanding this shit. Why would anyone with any sense and any money, throw it away to an unknown (player) who has or hasn't played a down of college football and expect nothing in the way of ROI? Then, said player probably portals to the next highest bidder next year. What are these companies getting out of this?
I've been saying the same thing. Did those people that paid KJ get anything? Did their revenue increase because KJ did a commercial for them? How many years are they willing to throw money away?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Aug 21, 2024, 08:17 AMI am still having a hard time understanding this shit. Why would anyone with any sense and any money, throw it away to an unknown (player) who has or hasn't played a down of college football and expect nothing in the way of ROI? Then, said player probably portals to the next highest bidder next year. What are these companies getting out of this?
This is where I am at...and I hope the whole thing implodes.
Try to read the elf's word salad on nil today, it underscores how certain newspapers and college athletics seem unwilling to adapt to the changing world because of a "we have always done it this way" mentality of all the "visionaries and great leaders" they are said to have in charge.
Until NIL provides a return on investment, why bother? It has turned into athletic welfare.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Aug 21, 2024, 09:05 AMTry to read the elf's word salad on nil today, it underscores how certain newspapers and college athletics seem unwilling to adapt to the changing world because of a "we have always done it this way" mentality of all the "visionaries and great leaders" they are said to have in charge.
Until NIL provides a return on investment, why bother? It has turned into athletic welfare.
Just call it what it is...player salaries (albeit from different sources).
We can choose to be the Marlins or Pirates and lose perennially with a low payroll, or come up with more funds and hopefully win.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 21, 2024, 08:11 AMSomeone is lying, unless we were somehow losing $20-30 million each of the last few years.
The lever is the increased media payout that starts this year. Use it, and stop blowing smoke up our asses.
If the problem is wanting to retire the debt from Long's Folly sooner, abandon that stupid idea. It makes no sense to retire low interest debt early when rates are high. Or at least it doesn't when you have immediate needs like the revenue sharing and a pending buyout of your football coach that are far more vital to the long term financial viability of the program.
this. some articles i read say the university HOPES to pay the debt at the end of the fiscal year, and others say the plan is to have it paid by 2030. someone needs to get their story straight.
as for nil, no one HAS to pay shit. but with the current state of the game, you get what you pay for. and how are you going to get any good players by waiting to see how they pan out before paying them? news flash, you're not. there's no guarantee in any investment.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 21, 2024, 09:20 AMWe can choose to be the Marlins or Pirates and lose perennially with a low payroll, or come up with more funds and hopefully win.
exactly.
A couple of these posts are what I've been saying the whole time. The folks who are spending that kind of money didn't get to where they are in life by being stupid. To me, there is no real ROI in this. Getting some semblance of value in return for a high level of support is a temporary elixir. At some point, smart folks will ask themselves what they are really getting from this - and realize it's very little. And the money will dry up at that point.
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Aug 21, 2024, 08:57 AMI've been saying the same thing. Did those people that paid KJ get anything? Did their revenue increase because KJ did a commercial for them? How many years are they willing to throw money away?
Because it isn't anything other than simply buying recruits. The recruit himself doesn't really matter much. For some well heeled boosters it's simply a dick measuring contest. For those who are actually expecting a business return, it's more about advertising to fans of a program that a business is committed to helping a program and the return from that rather than anything an individual player offers.
It was all entirely predictable and exactly why the NCAA was so hard on any booster interactions for so long.
Is anybody here an actual member of Arkansas Edge? I think I am going to join it on a low level just to see what it is they send out. And then maybe bump it up to a slightly higher level in a few months to see what changes. An experiment of sorts.
I wish the SEC and Big 10 would just switch to player salaries and have a fixed rate. Possibly even add merit increases for the number of years you're at your current program to curb some of the transferring.
I'm sure that's not realistic, but it makes sense in my head.
Quote from: Hizog on Aug 21, 2024, 10:22 AMI wish the SEC and Big 10 would just switch to player salaries and have a fixed rate. Possibly even add merit increases for the number of years you're at your current program to curb some of the transferring.
I'm sure that's not realistic, but it makes sense in my head.
Can't do it without legislation or a player's union and collective bargaining agreement. Otherwise it is collusion and an impermissible restraint on trade. Anti-trust laws be like that.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 21, 2024, 10:19 AMIs anybody here an actual member of Arkansas Edge? I think I am going to join it on a low level just to see what it is they send out. And then maybe bump it up to a slightly higher level in a few months to see what changes. An experiment of sorts.
i've been donating for a while, not baller status by any means. since i don't live in arkansas, most of the perks don't mean much.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Aug 21, 2024, 10:32 AMCan't do it without legislation or a player's union and collective bargaining agreement. Otherwise it is collusion and an impermissible restraint on trade. Anti-trust laws be like that.
Wishful thinking.
Like I was saying, I wish there was legislation or a CBA that would allow the SEC and Big 10...
Quote from: Hizog on Aug 21, 2024, 10:22 AMI wish the SEC and Big 10 would just switch to player salaries and have a fixed rate. Possibly even add merit increases for the number of years you're at your current program to curb some of the transferring.
I'm sure that's not realistic, but it makes sense in my head.
That still wouldn't change anything. The schools that cheat (or did under the old rules) will still find ways to get extra benefits to their players above and beyond the agreed upon amounts. And like TWB said, it would have to be collectively bargained.
At that point it's completely transitioned to professional sports.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 21, 2024, 10:50 AMThat still wouldn't change anything. The schools that cheat (or did under the old rules) will still find ways to get extra benefits to their players above and beyond the agreed upon amounts. And like TWB said, it would have to be collectively bargained.
At that point it's completely transitioned to professional sports.
It's much worse than professional sports. Professional sports have leagues and rules designed to promote fair competition so that everyone stays engaged and the league survives. This isn't that. This won't survive. You'll start to see schools dropping out of the rat race and going to a D III model eventually. Everyone still has hope of a fix or that it will settle down, but if it becomes clear it never will, college sports will largely die.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Aug 21, 2024, 10:57 AMIt's much worse than professional sports. Professional sports have leagues and rules designed to promote fair competition so that everyone stays engaged and the league survives. This isn't that. This won't survive. You'll start to see schools dropping out of the rat race and going to a D III model eventually. Everyone still has hope of a fix or that it will settle down, but if it becomes clear it never will, college sports will largely die.
Interesting thought but what if the ultimate goal by the Alabama's and Texas' is to eventually only have 35-40 "D1" schools and everyone else is forced to drop down to the lower levels. Its a great way to create a College "NFL" system and then they get to keep all the inflows of revenue for themselves.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Aug 21, 2024, 11:50 AMInteresting thought but what if the ultimate goal by the Alabama's and Texas' is to eventually only have 35-40 "D1" schools and everyone else is forced to drop down to the lower levels. Its a great way to create a College "NFL" system and then they get to keep all the inflows of revenue for themselves.
That will probably happen but it is still going to take legislation and/or a collective bargaining agreement to get there.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Aug 21, 2024, 11:56 AMThat will probably happen but it is still going to take legislation and/or a collective bargaining agreement to get there.
It will be much easier to collectively bargain with 105 athletes times 40-ish schools than the same number times 150 (or however many D1 there are now). Especially given the divergence in interests between the haves and have nots.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 21, 2024, 12:01 PMIt will be much easier to collectively bargain with 105 athletes times 40-ish schools than the same number times 150 (or however many D1 there are now). Especially given the divergence in interests between the haves and have nots.
Yeah, but there all kinds of issues to resolve first. I mean for instance some of the freshmen will be 17 when school starts. That's not even old enough to contract.
There will have to be legislation and lots of issues resolved before we get there. And it will take years. And right now, I don't really see anyone even trying.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 21, 2024, 10:34 AMi've been donating for a while, not baller status by any means. since i don't live in arkansas, most of the perks don't mean much.
I just joined at the $50 per month level-- one level above the minimum. Going to keep it there for a few months and then kick it up in the middle of football season to see what if any real difference it makes.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Aug 21, 2024, 12:12 PMYeah, but there all kinds of issues to resolve first. I mean for instance some of the freshmen will be 17 when school starts. That's not even old enough to contract.
There will have to be legislation and lots of issues resolved before we get there. And it will take years. And right now, I don't really see anyone even trying.
Aren't some of the MLB players 17 or younger when they're drafted?
Quote from: Usafhawg on Aug 21, 2024, 01:36 PMAren't some of the MLB players 17 or younger when they're drafted?
They aren't part of the union until they are on the 40-man, unless something has changed recently.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Aug 21, 2024, 01:40 PMThey aren't part of the union until they are on the 40-man, unless something has changed recently.
Baseball has an antitrust exemption too. Nothing else has nor likely will ever get that.
There most certainly isn't any guarantee that having a stellar NIL program will lead to the playoffs or 10 win seasons every year. Proper player evaluations still matter.
However, NOT having a substantial NIL program will guarantee that ours or any other program remains at the bottom.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-which-programs-do-you-believe-have-the-best-nil-situations/
Since these players are getting NIL make them pay their own way through school. Divert scholarship money to kids with no athletic talent. That's something I could get on board with.
Quote from: obijuana on Aug 21, 2024, 03:52 PMSince these players are getting NIL make them pay their own way through school. Divert scholarship money to kids with no athletic talent. That's something I could get on board with.
music lessons, tutoring, social media, or any student that has a job while going to school. that should apply also, right?
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 21, 2024, 03:43 PMhttps://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-which-programs-do-you-believe-have-the-best-nil-situations/
Surely that's because of basketball.
You would basically have to have the major pro leagues take over the management of college athletics and there they could come up with CBA's and the players unions in pro can probably assist in creating college players unions etc. It will be a clusterfuck of epic proportions but college athletics combined would be a beast of it's own if ran by professional sports folk. Nobody wants that model but it's coming one way or the next.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 21, 2024, 04:01 PMmusic lessons, tutoring, social media, or any student that has a job while going to school. that should apply also, right?
Student-athuletes make shit tons of money because of their joint venture with the brands of the schools and conferences (such as SEC). Being an Arkansas Razorback football or basketball player has value add due to the school.
Please explain how your examples are analogous.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Aug 21, 2024, 05:12 PMStudent-athuletes make shit tons of money because of their joint venture with the brands of the schools and conferences (such as SEC). Being an Arkansas Razorback football or basketball player has value add due to the school.
Please explain how your examples are analogous.
my point was one of the reasons nil became a thing was that athletes were prohibited from making money. not just on their likeness but even being able to hold a job like every other student.
and are you suggesting athletes are making "shit tons of money" outside of nil? i'm a little confused.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 21, 2024, 05:33 PMmy point was one of the reasons nil became a thing was that athletes were prohibited from making money. not just on their likeness but even being able to hold a job like every other student.
and are you suggesting athletes are making "shit tons of money" outside of nil? i'm a little confused.
No. Inside of NIL. But NIL is a sham. Players aren't actually getting paid for the value of their name, image, and likeness to something like a video game producer or a car dealership. They're getting paid so they will play for School X instead of School Y. It very quickly just turned into pay for play from the original good intentions of you can't make money off the kid's likeness without paying him.
Anyway, a football player makes whatever NIL money he makes IN PART because the Arkansas Razorback brand carries value. The same does not apply to all the jobs you listed. There would be no reason for a tutor to give money back to the school, like there is for an athlete.
Quote from: Lurk on Aug 21, 2024, 04:14 PMSurely that's because of basketball.
It's right there in the first paragraph.
CBS Sports college basketball insiders Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander spent a month surveying 100-plus Division I men's basketball coaches for our annual Candid Coaches series.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Aug 21, 2024, 09:21 PMIt's right there in the first paragraph.
CBS Sports college basketball insiders Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander spent a month surveying 100-plus Division I men's basketball coaches for our annual Candid Coaches series.
My bad.
How can it be the best in basketball but so bad in football? Is Tyson just paying basketball players out of his own pocket?
I honestly try to ignore the NIL shit because when I start reading about it or thinking about it too much it makes me want to stop watching college sports altogether.
Heard a promotion for Boogie Fland's basketball camp on the radio the other day, you pay a flat fee to attend the camp, but if you want anything signed you have to pay $60 per item you want autographed. Sweet.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Aug 22, 2024, 06:31 AMHeard a promotion for Boogie Fland's basketball camp on the radio the other day, you pay a flat fee to attend the camp, but if you want anything signed you have to pay $60 per item you want autographed. Sweet.
Sounds like a comic book convention. Pay a fee to get in, but pay exorbitant prices for autographs.
Quote from: Trigger7672 on Aug 22, 2024, 06:31 AMHow can it be the best in basketball but so bad in football? Is Tyson just paying basketball players out of his own pocket?
I honestly try to ignore the NIL shit because when I start reading about it or thinking about it too much it makes me want to stop watching college sports altogether.
Heard a promotion for Boogie Fland's basketball camp on the radio the other day, you pay a flat fee to attend the camp, but if you want anything signed you have to pay $60 per item you want autographed. Sweet.
You know the answer. It's the coach. People, not just Tyson, will shell out for Calipari because they know he will produce.
Why does this not surprise me?
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1826636330270687642?t=4YLr1fvhusRtoY4Vp_NoOA&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1826636330270687642?t=4YLr1fvhusRtoY4Vp_NoOA&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Aug 22, 2024, 12:51 PMWhy does this not surprise me?
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1826636330270687642?t=4YLr1fvhusRtoY4Vp_NoOA&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1826636330270687642?t=4YLr1fvhusRtoY4Vp_NoOA&s=19)
jesus that's a bit extreme. But doesn't surprise me at all. Wonder if he will have another mediocre season again
supposedly the assistant just flew over there and asked around all on his own. who's buying that.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Aug 22, 2024, 01:40 PMjesus that's a bit extreme. But doesn't surprise me at all. Wonder if he will have another mediocre season again
Jesus wouldn't be caught dead in Saudi Arabia.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Aug 22, 2024, 07:39 PMJesus wouldn't be caught dead in Saudi Arabia.
I'm not sure you'd find him there any other way
Quote from: Barton Fink on Aug 22, 2024, 12:51 PMWhy does this not surprise me?
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1826636330270687642?t=4YLr1fvhusRtoY4Vp_NoOA&s=19 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1826636330270687642?t=4YLr1fvhusRtoY4Vp_NoOA&s=19)
So the Buffs new fight song begins with "Allah Akbar"?
https://x.com/blackgodwayne/status/1827423494860054569?
Sure, let's pay'em on a game-by-game basis...
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 25, 2024, 09:27 AMhttps://x.com/blackgodwayne/status/1827423494860054569?
Sure, let's pay'em on a game-by-game basis...
Maybe Okie State has the beginning of a good idea. Put the QR codes on the helmet. Make a good play, get paid. Make a bad play and lose money. Just click the QR code on your screen.
Quote from: Spiderham on Aug 25, 2024, 10:59 AMMaybe Okie State has the beginning of a good idea. Put the QR codes on the helmet. Make a good play, get paid. Make a bad play and lose money. Just click the QR code on your screen.
Too bad Chad didn't have one of those.
Quote from: Hizog on Aug 25, 2024, 11:34 AMToo bad Chad didn't have one of those.
Every future contract at every school should have a stipulation that running a double-reverse flea flicker pass to a double-covered TE in the flat on 3rd and 9 is an immediate firing offense.
Quote from: BASS on Aug 22, 2024, 07:42 PMI'm not sure you'd find him there any other way
Just wait a few days.
I assume this is legit.
https://x.com/BunkiePerkins/status/1828847197636468970
College football is ruined.
Well, it'll be easy to find when Ole Miss fans want to burn it.
that post was from last december.
today kiffin said he's ineligible for the season. couldn't make the grades at lsu so he goes juco for TWO seasons because you, didn't have the grades. ole miss makes it a big deal that he signs with them and lo and behold, he didn't have the grades.
at best that lambo was a lease. knowing the kid's inability to go to class, he probably got to drive it for a day.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 28, 2024, 02:44 PMthat post was from last december.
today kiffin said he's ineligible for the season. couldn't make the grades at lsu so he goes juco for TWO seasons because you, didn't have the grades. ole miss makes it a big deal that he signs with them and lo and behold, he didn't have the grades.
at best that lambo was a lease. knowing the kid's inability to go to class, he probably got to drive it for a day.
It will be interesting to see how some of these kids do in football and in school and life in general after a few years of this NIL crap. I predict many of them will be dead broke.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 28, 2024, 03:43 PMIt will be interesting to see how some of these kids do in football and in school and life in general after a few years of this NIL crap. I predict many of them will be dead broke.
It is like the NFL but the participants are younger and dumber - what could go wrong?
Young wealth is wasted on all the wrong people.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 28, 2024, 03:43 PMIt will be interesting to see how some of these kids do in football and in school and life in general after a few years of this NIL crap. I predict many of them will be dead broke.
if you thought these kids were dumb before now they'll be even dumber...money in the mix and shiny objects will ruin these kids. And because none of them are focused on learning or taking advantage of an education they'll all be stupid af and waste away all their money on dumb shit and then get injured and end up at McDonald's.
for those that get it, nil will keep kids in school(s). whether they learn anything or not is up to them.
let's not act like so called counselors weren't already working with coaches to keep players eligible. kids can't put together sentences but somehow are getting the grades to be able to play.
about the only way academics come into play is if they just stop going to class.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 29, 2024, 10:04 AMabout the only way academics come into play is if they just stop going to class.
I'll bet 75% of all the classes they have are online.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 29, 2024, 10:08 AMI'll bet 75% of all the classes they have are online.
at least that much. i believe freshman have a two week or something period where they have to show up. the rest is online.
still, not logging in is the same as not showing up to class.
Quote from: vegashog on Aug 29, 2024, 10:23 AMat least that much. i believe freshman have a two week or something period where they have to show up. the rest is online.
still, not logging in is the same as not showing up to class.
They have to log in for tests and show ID. For everything else I'm sure they could have someone else log in if needed.
Quote from: jdcatty on Aug 29, 2024, 10:08 AMI'll bet 75% of all the classes they have are online.
how many of these kids that play ball actually graduate? I'd be interested in those statistics because if they are barely going to class and not doing any work but get a degree...
Missed it by one word.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Aug 29, 2024, 09:42 AMif you thought these kids were dumb before now they'll be even dumber...money in the mix and shiny objects will ruin these kids. And because none of them are focused on learning or taking advantage of an education they'll all be stupid af and waste away all their money on dumb shit and then get injured and end up at robbing McDonald's.
doesn't look like the house settlement will be happening anytime soon.
https://www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/ncaa-house-settlement-not-approved-1234796270/
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Aug 21, 2024, 10:57 AMIt's much worse than professional sports. Professional sports have leagues and rules designed to promote fair competition so that everyone stays engaged and the league survives. This isn't that. This won't survive. You'll start to see schools dropping out of the rat race and going to a D III model eventually. Everyone still has hope of a fix or that it will settle down, but if it becomes clear it never will, college sports will largely die.
I've said this before, but college sports are now just a shitty semi-pro league(s) with better branding.
Shitty in the sense that there's quite literally no governance and thus no way to cap salaries or benefits.
At least the NFL, NBA, etc. have some semblance of organization with player unions, collective bargaining, contracts and arbitration, bylaws, and a commissioner (and administrative body) to preside over league governance. College sports don't have this, and likely never will.
At this point I've shifted to being more of an NFL fan than college fan for those reasons (Arkansas sucking also helped facilitate that). Jerry Jones can't just decide he wants to throw $100M each at Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, and Roquan Smith to stack the deck.
This^ is where I'm at now.
Quote from: Feral on Sep 06, 2024, 10:55 AMI've said this before, but college sports are now just a shitty semi-pro league(s) with better branding.
Shitty in the sense that there's quite literally no governance and thus no way to cap salaries or benefits.
At least the NFL, NBA, etc. have some semblance of organization with player unions, collective bargaining, contracts and arbitration, bylaws, and a commissioner (and administrative body) to preside over league governance. College sports don't have this, and likely never will.
At this point I've shifted to being more of an NFL fan than college fan for those reasons (Arkansas sucking also helped facilitate that). Jerry Jones can't just decide he wants to throw $100M each at Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, and Roquan Smith to stack the deck.
Yeah. Why would a guy maybe getting a free lunch/dinner somewhere want to block for someone making thousands of dollars? There has to be a time where the blocker says screw it.
Is there a story here? Is this guy seeking a raise mid-season?
https://x.com/coachreedlive/status/1838925402934321156?
Hopefully I am reading more into this than there is.
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 25, 2024, 08:36 AMIs there a story here? Is this guy seeking a raise mid-season?
https://x.com/coachreedlive/status/1838925402934321156?
Hopefully I am reading more into this than there is.
He's only played 4 games so he can salvage a season of eligibility by bailing now. The timing is not a coincidence.
There's an "insider" rumor that he walked into Odom's office and demanded another $300k to keep playing.
https://unlv.forums.rivals.com/threads/sluka-redshirting-and-transferring.36560/
https://x.com/WillDespart/status/1838804467229016227
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/father-of-unlv-qb-matthew-sluka-reveals-details-of-his-sons-nil-spat-with-school/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3VTFHAxsyqaB1HyoIG0YZygZNk_oxO0g_-eyZsqLAh1VxlATSR1VkNqMI_aem_4d9PSsUMTJuzkBZXXzGFVQ
Early Tuesday morning, Carl Reed Jr. with 247 Sports reported a source claiming Sluka's family hired an agent and is seeking additional funds beyond what was originally promised after the hot start to the season. Sluka's father has claimed that is inaccurate in comments made to ESPN's Adam Rittenberg.
According to Bob Sluka, Matthew's agents reached an NIL deal with UNLV in February but have never received any payments. There has not been a request for adjustments to the original deal.
"They keep deferring, 'We don't know. You have to wait,'" Bob Sluka said per Rittenberg. "Then it was like, 'We're going to give him game checks.' So we're like, 'OK, great.' We did not ask for a single dollar [more]."
Quote from: Pig Benis on Sep 25, 2024, 10:06 AMHe's only played 4 games so he can salvage a season of eligibility by bailing now. The timing is not a coincidence.
I understand that. But as I said in another thread, I wouldn't let him decide unilaterally that he is "redshirting."
Interesting that they "hired an agent" but the father is talking to writers and the brother is arguing with everyone on twitter.
Quote from: jdcatty on Sep 25, 2024, 10:19 AMI understand that. But as I said in another thread, I wouldn't let him decide unilaterally that he is "redshirting."
Agree. It's all bullshit.
I was told by someone who represented a few of the players that for all the poor mouthing we do about NIL, Arkansas ranked 8th in the NCAA last year on NIL at just under $8 million. And no, we didn't get into any specifics so I don't know how that is measured or broken down.
He did say that Sam is not interested in NIL and doesn't "believe" in it so he doesn't really push the process the way some other coaches do.
He was of the opinion that we can be very successful if we get a coach who really pushes it and accepts that it is the way going forward.
Nothing groundbreaking or new to this board but interesting hearing some of that from someone with some actual knowledge on the subject.
I preferred it better when a recruit's mama got a new double-wide trailer and the kid drove around in a fancy car than the current NIL stuff.
Let the powerbrokers work their magic in the shadows. Now you have Yurachek asking for money from regular fans for NIL. I don't have a serious problem with kids getting paid, I just don't want to know about it.
So we're still eighth in potential. The more things change.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Sep 26, 2024, 04:13 PMSo we're still eighth in potential. The more things change.
No, no. Back then 8th in potential was out of 12 teams. Now we are 8th in potential out of 16 teams. We have moved into the top 50% in the league.
But I heard they want 12 million a year in order to get us back into yearly Liberty Bowls and stuff.
8th? Where do we rank after all administrative costs are paid out?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Sep 26, 2024, 05:40 PM8th? Where do we rank after all administrative costs are paid out?
Talk about a bloated bureaucracy, college sports are the worst.
Looks like we've got that sweet Duke Cannon money rolling in.
https://dukecannon.com/pages/o-line?utm_source=ZW%20%7C%20active%20%7C%20L120&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=zw%20%7C%2009.28.2024%20%7C%20O-Line%20Email%20%237%20%28clone%29%20%2801J8VBXFJRDK1FSM7M9Q3XHQ2R%29&tw_source=Klaviyo&tw_profile_id=01G2NB2A9C6P9T1VRM65S0S93Q&_kx=WG_1qr20ex7HP6Oi3XUPUhH0aZZsIYys1ps1QcXmNdk.PYpjsX
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 26, 2024, 04:30 PMNo, no. Back then 8th in potential was out of 12 teams. Now we are 8th in potential out of 16 teams. We have moved into the top 50% in the league.
We are 15th in potential. Might even be dead last.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Sep 26, 2024, 03:56 PMI was told by someone who represented a few of the players that for all the poor mouthing we do about NIL, Arkansas ranked 8th in the NCAA last year on NIL at just under $8 million. And no, we didn't get into any specifics so I don't know how that is measured or broken down.
He did say that Sam is not interested in NIL and doesn't "believe" in it so he doesn't really push the process the way some other coaches do.
He was of the opinion that we can be very successful if we get a coach who really pushes it and accepts that it is the way going forward.
Nothing groundbreaking or new to this board but interesting hearing some of that from someone with some actual knowledge on the subject.
If this is true then Hunter needs to be shot into the sun for all his talk of blaming the fans. His department has fumbled NIL so badly. There's a lot of money likely with Arkansas ties up in that area, but we need 10,000 regular folks who are likely spending all their money on rent and food to just give $100 a month and we'll win every game we ever play.
NIL is not our issue.
We should be 5-0 at this point. This is a coaching issue. Nothing more.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 29, 2024, 10:27 AMNIL is not our issue.
We should be 5-0 at this point. This is a coaching issue. Nothing more.
100%.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Sep 29, 2024, 10:27 AMNIL is not our issue.
We should be 5-0 at this point. This is a coaching issue. Nothing more.
All it is a distraction to hide the fact that Hunter botched Sam's contract so badly that he couldn't fire a guy who obviously needed to be gone.
We definitely have the talent to be 5-0 right now. All the mental mistakes and self-sabotaging come from a lack of winning culture, and that comes from the head coach. Despite whatever words have come from his mouth, Colbeertits body language and energy have been that of a tired, defeated man, who knows the end is near. This job is simply above his capabilities.
For the 9th year in a row all we heard in the off season is that this team is special. This team is really together. The locker room cancers are gone. We're gonna play better. Players holding each other accountible. etc.
Yeah we'll see. I'm not out on these guys but they need to pull their heads out of their asses and I'm not just talking about the players. I don't expect them to beat Tenn but maybe we can hold it together and still patch up for a decent season.
I'm definitely out on the players and coaches.
Once again we have to wait until next year.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 29, 2024, 12:10 PMAll it is a distraction to hide the fact that Hunter botched Sam's contract so badly that he couldn't fire a guy who obviously needed to be gone.
This. And once that new deal was in place, it all went to shit.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 29, 2024, 06:41 PMThis. And once that new deal was in place, it all went to shit.
That's what sucks so bad. That fat coach just flat out quit once he got the money. He went from "I would pay you for the job" and "You won't have to fire me" to sitting in his ass waiting for a buyout.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Sep 29, 2024, 06:41 PMThis. And once that new deal was in place, it all went to shit.
The end came when Sam fired Judy Henry and hired Jabba the Agent. That was the first sign that the "Aw shucks, this is the only job I ever wanted" bullshit was just that. He didn't need Jimmy to get him a fair contract. The only reason to hire that dump truck load of shit is to fuck over your current employer or find another job. And to be fair it worked for Pittman just like it was supposed to.
I'm at the point now where I say fuck dealing with that guy. We're going to end up with shitty coaches anyway, and apparently the admin is fine with that. Lets not enrich that bastard further in the process. My primary hope is that somehow fat Jimmy gets crossways with the Mossad.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Sep 30, 2024, 08:12 AMThe end came when Sam fired Judy Henry and hired Jabba the Agent. That was the first sign that the "Aw shucks, this is the only job I ever wanted" bullshit was just that. He didn't need Jimmy to get him a fair contract. The only reason to hire that dump truck load of shit is to fuck over your current employer or find another job. And to be fair it worked for Pittman just like it was supposed to.
I'm at the point now where I say fuck dealing with that guy. We're going to end up with shitty coaches anyway, and apparently the admin is fine with that. Lets not enrich that bastard further in the process. My primary hope is that somehow fat Jimmy gets crossways with the Mossad.
I get that sentiment. That's what you get when you hire a retirement aged career position coach. We put him in a position where he had no choice but to make it a cash grab. Sam knew he couldn't aw shucks his way into being a sec contender. We put it on the tee for him.
Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Sep 30, 2024, 10:27 AMI get that sentiment. That's what you get when you hire a retirement aged career position coach. We put him in a position where he had no choice but to make it a cash grab. Sam knew he couldn't aw shucks his way into being a sec contender. We put it on the tee for him.
And by feeling some kind of way about him moving on from Judy Henry is meaningless considering the vast majority of hires we could make would likely go thru some kind of slime ball agent such as Sexton. I can't entirely blame Pittman for doing what he did but that doesn't mean I gotta like it either.
His reasons for hiring Sexton were very transparent and this is where HY pissed down his leg when he should have shown some backbone. Hold to the original arrangement , but now with bigger numbers and if he walks he walks. Pittman would be some other programs problem now or he would have caved.
As someone else mentioned recently the formula for any Arkansas football coach seems to be that if you can beat Texas you are going to get a raise and a fat buyout package.
Coaches don't come to Arkansas to advance their career. They come here to get paid for meh until they get paid to not meh anymore.
Bert mentored him well in that regard.
Everything felt different after the 2021 season, no?
That 2nd contract is a harbinger.
I really can't fault them for paying Pittman. He had exceeded expectations at that point and we needed to pay him market rate. What I fault is the cheapness of this administration and our school in general when it comes to coaches. You literally can't pay too much for a good one. We need to realize that and man up like other SEC schools do. You may overpay for a turd or two, but don't act like it's the end of the world because you have to pay a buyout. Pay it and move on to the next guy. You don't have to keep an underperforming guy for the better part of a decade because it will save you a few million. That's dumb logic that will cost you money in the long run.
Of course, that's just a byproduct of our convoluted coach salary funding scheme necessitated by the state law limiting state employee salaries.
If we had true visionaries in place, we would be lobbying to get an exemption for coaches. But that would mean the Razorback Foundation would lose some influence and the school would have to budget in the operating fund for coaches' salaries. Too many fiefdoms and bigwigs get disturbed doing that.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2024, 09:00 AMAnd by feeling some kind of way about him moving on from Judy Henry is meaningless considering the vast majority of hires we could make would likely go thru some kind of slime ball agent such as Sexton. I can't entirely blame Pittman for doing what he did but that doesn't mean I gotta like it either.
His reasons for hiring Sexton were very transparent and this is where HY pissed down his leg when he should have shown some backbone. Hold to the original arrangement , but now with bigger numbers and if he walks he walks. Pittman would be some other programs problem now or he would have caved.
As someone else mentioned recently the formula for any Arkansas football coach seems to be that if you can beat Texas you are going to get a raise and a fat buyout package.
Coaches don't come to Arkansas to advance their career. They come here to get paid for meh until they get paid to not meh anymore.
You can't really blame Pittman for hiring the best agent, but on the other hand he can't have it both ways. He doesn't get the benefit of "loving that helmet" or any other platitudes when he hired the agent that under the best interpretation fucks us to the wall on behalf of his clients, and at worst actively campaigns to keep his best clients away from us regardless of what we're willing to pay.
It's similar to why Nutt's personal life was an issue when it wasn't (or shouldn't have been) for other coaches. Hootie used the "fine Christian man" schtick to keep his job when he was underperforming, so being proven to be a fraud in that regard was fair game in calling for his head later.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2024, 09:09 AMI really can't fault them for paying Pittman. He had exceeded expectations at that point and we needed to pay him market rate. What I fault is the cheapness of this administration and our school in general when it comes to coaches. You literally can't pay too much for a good one. We need to realize that and man up like other SEC schools do. You may overpay for a turd or two, but don't act like it's the end of the world because you have to pay a buyout. Pay it and move on to the next guy. You don't have to keep an underperforming guy for the better part of a decade because it will save you a few million. That's dumb logic that will cost you money in the long run.
Of course, that's just a byproduct of our convoluted coach salary funding scheme necessitated by the state law limiting state employee salaries.
If we had true visionaries in place, we would be lobbying to get an exemption for coaches. But that would mean the Razorback Foundation would lose some influence and the school would have to budget in the operating fund for coaches' salaries. Too many fiefdoms and bigwigs get disturbed doing that.
Absolutely agree that Sam deserved the pay raise at the time based on what he'd accomplished relative to expectations. What he didn't need or deserve was the massive buyout when we were competing against absolutely no one for his services, either at the time or for the foreseeable future.
none of them deserve the massive buyouts. as of the end of last season, p5 schools are obligated for something like $146 million in buyout money. that doesn't include assistants.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 01, 2024, 09:16 AMYou can't really blame Pittman for hiring the best agent, but on the other hand he can't have it both ways. He doesn't get the benefit of "loving that helmet" or any other platitudes when he hired the agent that under the best interpretation fucks us to the wall on behalf of his clients, and at worst actively campaigns to keep his best clients away from us regardless of what we're willing to pay.
It's similar to why Nutt's personal life was an issue when it wasn't (or shouldn't have been) for other coaches. Hootie used the "fine Christian man" schtick to keep his job when he was underperforming, so being proven to be a fraud in that regard was fair game in calling for his head later.
Absolutely agree that Sam deserved the pay raise at the time based on what he'd accomplished relative to expectations. What he didn't need or deserve was the massive buyout when we were competing against absolutely no one for his services, either at the time or for the foreseeable future.
It's not massive. It's standard and even relative chicken feed to the buyouts paid by other SEC schools.
I don't like the salary buyout game in place these days, but it is what it is. Arkansas is not a big enough job to set the trend of getting away from it. It Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. want to announce that they will not give big buyouts and put performance rates in their contracts, maybe the trend will catch on. But Arkansas will never be a trend setter in that regard. No one wants our job bad enough. In fact, now it's the opposite. Because of our bad hires, it's seen as coaching death. Bielema's career was nearly ended. Morris will never be a head coach again. And Sam? Well, he ain't doing anything to show that you can win at Arkansas. So if anything, competent coaches are going to want an extra premium to come here.
We either realize that, or we continue to hire turds nobody else wants. Maybe we get lucky and find a good one. But like Sam has shown us, there are reasons nobody else wanted them.
If we are going to go that route again, we may as well try to mend fences with someone like Lunny and get him back here.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2024, 09:45 AMIt's not massive. It's standard and even relative chicken feed to the buyouts paid by other SEC schools.
I don't like the salary buyout game in place these days, but it is what it is. Arkansas is not a big enough job to set the trend of getting away from it. It Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. want to announce that they will not give big buyouts and put performance rates in their contracts, maybe the trend will catch on. But Arkansas will never be a trend setter in that regard. No one wants our job bad enough. In fact, now it's the opposite. Because of our bad hires, it's seen as coaching death. Bielema's career was nearly ended. Morris will never be a head coach again. And Sam? Well, he ain't doing anything to show that you can win at Arkansas. So if anything, competent coaches are going to want an extra premium to come here.
We either realize that, or we continue to hire turds nobody else wants. Maybe we get lucky and find a good one. But like Sam has shown us, there are reasons nobody else wanted them.
If we are going to go that route again, we may as well try to me d fences with someone like Lunny and get him back here.
It's massive relative to what was needed.
Your points are valid for when we hire the next coach. We will have to probably overpay and have a buyout in excess of market value to attract someone decent. But given that Sam was already here and not going to receive offers to go somewhere better, there was no need to make his buyout prohibitively high. You can argue that the buyout isn't that bad, but given that we are unwilling to fire an underperforming coach because of it, for whatever reason it is clearly prohibitive for us. We effectively gave a lifetime contract to a guy who was intended to be a 4-5 year bridge to the next (hopefully) long term solution.
I will counter that Sam shows that even an average to slightly below coach can have some success here. Whatever people in the coaching community may think of him as a person or a position coach, I guarantee none of them think he's some mastermind as a head coach. If a coach is scared off from this job because Sam Pittman could only muster nine and seven win seasons, he's not going to make it here or anywhere else.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 01, 2024, 09:51 AMIt's massive relative to what was needed.
Your points are valid for when we hire the next coach. We will have to probably overpay and have a buyout in excess of market value to attract someone decent. But given that Sam was already here and not going to receive offers to go somewhere better, there was no need to make his buyout prohibitively high. You can argue that the buyout isn't that bad, but given that we are unwilling to fire an underperforming coach because of it, for whatever reason it is clearly prohibitive for us. We effectively gave a lifetime contract to a guy who was intended to be a 4-5 year bridge to the next (hopefully) long term solution.
I will counter that Sam shows that even an average to slightly below coach can have some success here. Whatever people in the coaching community may think of him as a person or a position coach, I guarantee none of them think he's some mastermind as a head coach.
I suspect Sam's leverage was that he threatened to go to the lake which would have left us scrambling to find a replacement. And of course, the fanbase would have been pissed. And I suspect that our unwillingness to pay his buyout last year wasn't so much a reflection of our inability or unwillingness to bear the expense, but a "frick you", you're going to stay here and coach this schit show and then get fired eventually. Probably a lot of butthurt by the PTB over feeling like Aw Shucks Sam held them over a barrel and now they are going to hold him over one and eventually embarrass him when he wants to do nothing more than throw back a few kobeers on the lake. And he is stubbornly going to make them.
Everybody suffers, noses are sliced cleanly from faces, and the program tanks. In other words, the typical Arkansas coaching saga.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 01, 2024, 09:59 AMI suspect Sam's leverage was that he threatened to go to the lake which would have left us scrambling to find a replacement. And of course, the fanbase would have been pissed. And I suspect that our unwillingness to pay his buyout last year wasn't so much a reflection of our inability or unwillingness to bear the expense, but a "frick you", you're going to stay here and coach this schit show and then get fired eventually. Probably a lot of butthurt by the PTB over feeling like Aw Shucks Sam held them over a barrel and now they are going to hold him over one and eventually embarrass him when he wants to do nothing more than throw back a few kobeers on the lake. And he is stubbornly going to make them.
Everybody suffers, noses are sliced cleanly from faces, and the program tanks. In other words, the typical Arkansas coaching saga.
That's possible. Dumb for us not to call his bluff on it, but par for the course.
Worst case we could've promoted Odom, which is likely who we'll end up with regardless. I guess he'll be slightly more palatable to the average fan thanks to his redemption at UNLV versus coming off a mediocre tenure at Missouri.
It takes a ton of resources to hire a new coach and Arkansas hasnt exactly lit the world on fire with football coaching hires. So those buyouts aren't just for the coach so much as it saves the school from itself.
This isn't the olden days where Paw Paw has his short list and everyone knows who's on it. AND I think Pittman does get a pass because he's well liked. People want to see him succeed. I know I do and still do but am not optimistic about his future.
At this stage of the season you can't fire him. Let him have time, let Petrino continue to work with this kid or the next or the one after that. All in all when they hired Petrino I felt like we had entered two years pass land and that may still be the case if they can win 5 or 6.
Quote from: animal on Oct 01, 2024, 12:41 PMIt takes a ton of resources to hire a new coach and Arkansas hasnt exactly lit the world on fire with football coaching hires. So those buyouts aren't just for the coach so much as it saves the school from itself.
This isn't the olden days where Paw Paw has his short list and everyone knows who's on it. AND I think Pittman does get a pass because he's well liked. People want to see him succeed. I know I do and still do but am not optimistic about his future.
At this stage of the season you can't fire him. Let him have time, let Petrino continue to work with this kid or the next or the one after that. All in all when they hired Petrino I felt like we had entered two years pass land and that may still be the case if they can win 5 or 6.
Of course you can't fire him at 3-2 with both losses against ranked teams away from home (disregard for now the fact that neither team will end the season ranked). You HAVE to fire him if he finishes below 6-6, and you need to do it if at any point he gets to 3-6 or 4-7 to keep him from pulling a win out of his ass and making the buyout go back up.
Turns out the big Ragweed/Turnpike show in Stillwater is for Okie State's NIL (at least some proceeds). Meanwhile, Arkansas is running Justin Moore out there for our NIL.
Where's Cash, Campbell, and Levon when you need them?
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 08:19 AMTurns out the big Ragweed/Turnpike show in Stillwater is for Okie State's NIL (at least some proceeds). Meanwhile, Arkansas is running Justin Moore out there for our NIL.
Where's Cash, Campbell, and Levon when you need them?
LIZHONEY2U is the opening act
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 08:19 AMTurns out the big Ragweed/Turnpike show in Stillwater is for Okie State's NIL (at least some proceeds). Meanwhile, Arkansas is running Justin Moore out there for our NIL.
Where's Cash, Campbell, and Levon when you need them?
Even I, a bigger cynic than Larry David, didn't anticipate that "NIL" would so quickly become just a blatant facade for paying players.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 08:19 AMTurns out the big Ragweed/Turnpike show in Stillwater is for Okie State's NIL (at least some proceeds). Meanwhile, Arkansas is running Justin Moore out there for our NIL.
Where's Cash, Campbell, and Levon when you need them?
I don't understand the Justin Moore hate. I like his music and he's bigger than Ragweed.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 03, 2024, 08:38 AMI don't understand the Justin Moore hate. I like his music and he's bigger than Ragweed.
But I would hazard a guess that the Ragweed/Turnpike combo are bigger in their home state than Justin Moore is in his.
So, I guess I'm saying blame the fans. Now I feel dirty.
No disrespect to Justin Moore, but he ain't selling out football stadiums.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 03, 2024, 08:38 AMI don't understand the Justin Moore hate. I like his music and he's bigger than Ragweed.
Agree that he's appealing to a bigger market than those Oklahoma bands.
I think most of us probably prefer the music of the other bands, but Justin is pretty big among the bro country/wine mom set.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 08:49 AMNo disrespect to Justin Moore, but he ain't selling out football stadiums.
He would if he did a nil show here. Just like Ragweed in Ok.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 03, 2024, 09:28 AMHe would if he did a nil show here. Just like Ragweed in Ok.
I guess he should aim for a bigger venue than the Walmart Amp.
https://x.com/arkansasedgenil/status/1841227476317433877?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 08:49 AMNo disrespect to Justin Moore, but he ain't selling out football stadiums.
And neither is anyone else but George Strait. That's not a great example. He is doing what he can, and we should appreciate that. If all Arkansas fans did what they can, we wouldn't have a problem.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 09:43 AMI guess he should aim for a bigger venue than the Walmart Amp.
https://x.com/arkansasedgenil/status/1841227476317433877?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
Oh snap
Harmon field is a stadium
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 03, 2024, 09:52 AMAnd neither is anyone else but George Strait. That's not a great example. He is doing what he can, and we should appreciate that. If all Arkansas fans did what they can, we wouldn't have a problem.
Don't get me wrong, I for sure appreciate what he's doing. It's just another example where Arkansas falls short on NIL funding.
Speaking of Strait, his show at Kyle Field was a payday for the Aggies.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 03, 2024, 09:56 AMOh snap
Harmon field is a stadium
No shit, I wouldn't have known
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 09:43 AMI guess he should aim for a bigger venue than the Walmart Amp.
https://x.com/arkansasedgenil/status/1841227476317433877?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
Any other stadiums up there besides Razorback. Maybe he tried and they said no. That would be the Razorback thing to do
Still seats available!
Ragweed/Turnpike just added a 2nd show at T Boone Pickens. Pretty good haul for Okie Lite.
Hunter says if all you fans of the Slobber Hog can come up with $500,000 by Monday at 5 pm, he'll put it back on the basketball court.
I guess I'm confused.
I thought this whole NIL thing was for companies to use athletes as spokesman for their business. Allow athletes to make money from running camps and making appearances. Perhaps receive a residual check from a video game.
It seems its evolved into a slush fund that allows a school to offer a player money to sign on the dotted line.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 04:51 PMHunter says if all you fans of the Slobber Hog can come up with $500,000 by Monday at 5 pm, he'll put it back on the basketball court.
The slobber hog needs to stay retired.
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 04:51 PMHunter says if all you fans of the Slobber Hog can come up with $500,000 by Monday at 5 pm, he'll put it back on the basketball court.
Fuck him.
Quote from: obijuana on Oct 03, 2024, 07:07 PMI guess I'm confused.
I thought this whole NIL thing was for companies to use athletes as spokesman for their business. Allow athletes to make money from running camps and making appearances. Perhaps receive a residual check from a video game.
It seems its evolved into a slush fund that allows a school to offer a player money to sign on the dotted line.
NOW, you get it!
Quote from: mde114 on Oct 03, 2024, 07:35 PMNOW, you get it!
Takes a few years, but I come around eventually. ;D
Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 03, 2024, 07:29 PMThe slobber hog needs to stay retired.
Really? Why?
Quote from: obijuana on Oct 03, 2024, 07:07 PMI guess I'm confused.
I thought this whole NIL thing was for companies to use athletes as spokesman for their business. Allow athletes to make money from running camps and making appearances. Perhaps receive a residual check from a video game.
It seems its evolved into a slush fund that allows a school to offer a player money to sign on the dotted line.
You didn't get the memo about college athletes being disproportionately affected.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 03, 2024, 10:30 PMYou didn't get the memo about college athletes being disproportionately affected.
I've been up to my neck in TPS reports. I'll need another copy of that memo.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 03, 2024, 09:28 AMHe would if he did a nil show here. Just like Ragweed in Ok.
he did one at George's a couple years ago with all the head coaches there when NIL first got going.
That poster - is he growing a beard? looks the work of the person who did the hog at midfield of WMS.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 03, 2024, 09:52 AMAnd neither is anyone else but George Strait. That's not a great example. He is doing what he can, and we should appreciate that. If all Arkansas fans did what they can, we wouldn't have a problem.
Pretty sure Luke Combs, Morgan Wallen, Garth Brooks, Kenny Chesney, and Zach Bryan are all selling out stadiums lately.
Quote from: uagrad2007 on Oct 04, 2024, 12:12 PMPretty sure Luke Combs, Morgan Wallen, Garth Brooks, Kenny Chesney, and Zach Bryan are all selling out stadiums lately.
not for long
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 04, 2024, 12:21 PMnot for long
If you are paying to see Chris Gaines or Kenny Cheeseny you already getting rap.ed
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 04, 2024, 12:21 PMnot for long
Maybe the families will get closure.
Quote from: bigpig on Oct 04, 2024, 12:21 PMnot for long
Please tell me he's been to a Diddy party.
from August 14 - Hunter briefs the BOT on NIL - https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2024/aug/14/arkansas-ad-hunter-yurachek-addresses-trustees-over-coming-nil-revenue-share-changes/
Why are we worried? The BOT figured this shit out in August!!!
"Go raise more (money) than anyone else, (and) let's win," added Ford, co-founder of Westrock Coffee and CEO since 2009. "Let's be a champion of this" new era.
MORRILTON — Though the rapidly changing landscape of college athletics may soon include schools paying athletes directly — at least under a proposed settlement to multiple lawsuits — one member of the University of Arkansas System board of trustees sees a grand opportunity for Razorback athletics.
"We have a top-20 (athletic) program in 'the old world' —good — let's be top-5 in the new world," trustee Scott Ford said Tuesday during a briefing for trustees at their annual retreat at the Winthrop Rockefeller Center by UA-Fayetteville Athletic Director Hunter Yurachek and Matt McCoy, the University of Arkansas System senior associate general counsel for athletics. Rather than "bemoan" the new landscape, "think about using it to our advantage."
"Go raise more (money) than anyone else, (and) let's win," added Ford, co-founder of Westrock Coffee and CEO since 2009. "Let's be a champion of this" new era.
Those who "figure out the rules and how to compete in this (environment) will be the winners," seconded trustee Ed Fryar.
In Arkansas, "people step up, a huge positive for us," Yurachek said. "We have a very giving and supportive state."
For example, Oaklawn Racing Casino Resort recently made a $500,000 donation to the Razorback Foundation. Oaklawn has also made it possible for jackpot winners to donate to the Razorbacks.
However, the university will need support more than ever if a proposed settlement of class-action lawsuits that challenged the NCAA's prohibition against student-athletes receiving compensation for their name, image, and likeness (NIL) and accessing the market for licensing/sale of their NIL is approved, Yurachek said.
Among other restrictions, the courts have since judged as illegal restraint of trade and antitrust violations by the NCAA.
UA-Fayetteville expects to have to share roughly $21.5 million with student-athletes — mostly for football and men's basketball players — next year as part of the proposed settlement, a sum "we don't have sitting there for us."
Entering fiscal year 2024-25, the program has $173 million in expenses and the same in revenues, Yurachek said, so "I need to find levers to increase revenues and decrease expenses" in order to find that $21.5 million next year.
That $21.5 million figure is expected to be the maximum schools in the SEC can pay in the first year of the settlement, "and we intend to participate 100%."
"It's a significant hill to climb, not as simple as flipping a switch and saying 'we're going to be highly competitive,'" he said. "We're working on a plan with several options, (but) we need to find solutions together."
Should the $2.7 billion class-action settlement— which stems from a lawsuit filed in 2020 by former Arizona State University swimmer Grant House and TCU/University of Oregon basketball player Sedona Prince, as well as Hubbard v. NCAA and Carter v. NCAA — be approved, it will provide the framework for college sports after July 2025, McCoy said.
Though payments directly from schools — rather than boosters and other third parties — would be voluntary, "the reality is if any school does it, all will do it."
Beginning with the 2025-26 academic year, schools would be able to pay student-athletes up to 22% of the average broadcast, sponsorship, and ticket revenue from the "power" conferences, which includes the SEC.
Schools can categorize how to classify the payments, but student-athletes must report all NIL deals to schools and the "designated reporting entity," McCoy said. Athletic scholarship limits for Division I schools would be eliminated, and new roster limits would be adopted.
Schools and conferences can reduce roster sizes and the number of sports offered, but no scholarships can be taken away from student-athletes already on scholarship, he said. Roster limits also cannot drop below current NCAA scholarship limits.
Most decisions and regulations would be left to individual conferences, but conferences cannot "collude" with one another, and all Division I athletes dating back to 2016 are eligible to receive a share as part of the settlement class, McCoy said.
Schools' contracting with individual athletes will likely be time-consuming and challenging, and other provisions of the proposed settlement — such as a stipulation that boosters/collectives can't enter into NIL deals with student-athletes unless market rate compensation rates/terms are commensurate with compensation paid to similarly situated individuals with comparable NIL value — may be ripe for additional lawsuits.
The settlement is likely to be challenged, especially because there's no real legal precedent, said David Curran, the UA System's general counsel and vice president for legal affairs. "It's cutting new territory."
Under the proposed settlement, individual conferences would determine what a "non-legal booster NIL deal" is, as third parties who are non-boosters can pay student-athletes for NIL sans restrictions, McCoy said.
However, entities owned, controlled, or operated by a school are not third parties, so their payments count toward the "cap" on what schools can pay, estimated between $20 million and $22 million.
Schools not in the power conferences of Division 1 that wish to provide new benefits to student-athletes permitted by the proposed settlement can do so, but are bound by the limits and obligations of the proposed settlement, he said.
The NCAA and conferences are permitted to require progress toward a degree as part of agreements, as well as permit student-athletes to rescind non-compliant NIL deals and return benefits to maintain eligibility to compete.
UA-Fayetteville has been a leader in this new space with its Flagship offering, which provides tutelage for student-athletes on everything from developing limited-liability corporations to how to handle their taxes from NIL income, McCoy said.
The state also passed legislation in 2023 to help schools in Arkansas, including a provision that student-athletes in Arkansas can cancel their college NIL deals when they go professional, not continue to be bound to them.
Even if the proposed settlement is approved, additional questions and concerns will remain, McCoy and Yurachek said.
For example, the question of whether student-athletes are "employees" could be decided by the courts, and schools may struggle with complying with Title IX laws when disbursing funds to student-athletes, as many women's sports don't generate revenue near the amount generated by football and men's basketball.
Do they think they're leading the charge or something?
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 04, 2024, 05:18 PMDo they think they're leading the charge or something?
Well we do live in Clown world where reality is whatever you say it is.
I never thought NIL would turn into this in the first place, but I am going to dig my heels in that there's no way that the combination of benefit concerts and voluntary donations (based on emotion as a fan), in order to have a competitive football or basketball program, is a sustainable business model. Surely people will get tired of giving their money for.....what?
The NFL, NBA, and MLB rely on a combination of fan revenue (payment for actual services rendered), TV rights fees (fed by eyeballs and advertising), and advertising/stadium branding. As long as the fans are there, that seems more sustainable.
Now get off my lawn.
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I don't believe for one second that they hit the NIL goal at the last minute to resurrect the Slobber Hog at Center Court.
Just got an email that Arkansas Edge is trying to sell pieces of the goal posts that weren't really torn down.
That's embarrassing
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Oct 09, 2024, 02:47 PMJust got an email that Arkansas Edge is trying to sell pieces of the goal posts that weren't really torn down.
That's embarrassing
Just came to post that. Really?
$1000 bucks?
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Did they consult that only fans chick that sells her bath water for revenue ideas?
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Oct 09, 2024, 02:47 PMJust got an email that Arkansas Edge is trying to sell pieces of the goal posts that weren't really torn down.
That's embarrassing
I'm surprised there's not a commemorative DVD and t-shirt available. Maybe patches of Sam's shit streaked underwear from that night for $100, while supplies last.
Such a small minded athletic department. Embarrassing indeed.
Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 09, 2024, 03:51 PMDid they consult that only fans chick that sells her bath water for revenue ideas?
Tera vajyna scented candles - RickwithaB would sell his house.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 09, 2024, 04:19 PMTera vajyna scented candles - RickwithaB would sell his house.
Blackrock would be buying up houses left and right in Arkansas from all of
us the guys that would do the same thing.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 09, 2024, 02:38 PMI don't believe for one second that they hit the NIL goal at the last minute to resurrect the Slobber Hog at Center Court.
No doubt, unless Justin Moore made up the difference on his own.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Oct 09, 2024, 02:47 PMJust got an email that Arkansas Edge is trying to sell pieces of the goal posts that weren't really torn down.
That's embarrassing
Either we painted scrap pieces of pipe and are selling a fraud, or we cut up our own goalpost for the win. Didn't even give the game a creative name first - The Fucking in Fayettenam or something.
https://x.com/ArkansasEdgeNIL/status/1844111545657327693
It feels like we're in Spinal Tap.
"But we didn't tear the goalposts down."
Vandy is doing the same thing - NIL fundraising...
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Oct 09, 2024, 05:59 PMVandy is doing the same thing - NIL fundraising...
One major difference.
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Oct 09, 2024, 05:59 PMVandy is doing the same thing - NIL fundraising...
Yes, but we know their goalposts came down.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 09, 2024, 06:00 PMYes, but we know their goalposts came down.
And someone went in the river to get 'em. That's effort.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 09, 2024, 04:35 PMNo doubt, unless Justin Moore made up the difference on his own.
Nah, he is against fun
https://x.com/1037thebuzz/status/1843709867091210430?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Oct 09, 2024, 06:04 PMNah, he is against fun
https://x.com/1037thebuzz/status/1843709867091210430?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
He's not wrong.
Yeah, I agree with him.
In general I agree with him. But it has been so long since we won a close game against a top ranked team... I'ma gonna give us a pass.
If LSU beats Ole Miss we might be facing another TOP 10 maybe TOP 5 team
Then Texas rolls into town who may still be TOP 5 by then.
Ole Miss has a chance to be in that discussion depending on how they do.
So Arkansas has a unique opportunity to have these "unwinnable" games at home this season and I think everyone is pretty confident that we can play with anybody as always the problem is we are also confident we can lose to anybody. Also show me a tougher home schedule of games...
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 09, 2024, 11:07 PMIn general I agree with him. But it has been so long since we won a close game against a top ranked team... I'ma gonna give us a pass.
I want to be the team that other team's fans charge the field/court after beating us. I'm tired of being on the other side.
I want to get so used to beating top 5 teams at home that we just yawn and say "Next".
Quote from: Usafhawg on Oct 10, 2024, 06:36 AMI want to be the team that other team's fans charge the field/court after beating us. I'm tired of being on the other side.
We do have that ASU game coming up.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Oct 10, 2024, 06:36 AMI want to be the team that other team's fans charge the field/court after beating us. I'm tired of being on the other side.
Well we all want that. But you have to start somewhere, and this was a good start.
I don't care if the team is a top 5 program year in and year out or if they are the worst team in history every year. Win a big game should be proceeded by storming the fucking field, tearing the goal posts down, celebrating and have a huge party. Have fun. Who gives a shit.
It boggles my mind that some have an issue with that.
wtf does any of this shit have to do with NIL?
People gonna rush the field. At least they're not throwing cans like ole piss on the field
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 10, 2024, 11:08 AMI don't care if the team is a top 5 program year in and year out or if they are the worst team in history every year. Win a big game should be proceeded by storming the fucking field, tearing the goal posts down, celebrating and have a huge party. Have fun. Who gives a shit.
It boggles my mind that some have an issue with that.
With their fines from Saturday, Vanderbilt and Arkansas are now tied for the most money paid out for SEC field and court-storming fines since the league implemented them in 2004. Both programs have paid out $730,000, just ahead of third-place LSU, which has spent $705,000.
Quote from: Lurk on Oct 10, 2024, 12:38 PMWith their fines from Saturday, Vanderbilt and Arkansas are now tied for the most money paid out for SEC field and court-storming fines since the league implemented them in 2004. Both programs have paid out $730,000, just ahead of third-place LSU, which has spent $705,000.
If I were AD I'd tell the SEC to literally go fuck their own face.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 10, 2024, 02:18 PMIf I were AD I'd tell the SEC to literally go fuck their own face.
this. Like how is this on the program/school? They can't prevent thousands of people rushing the field no matter what sorta security presence and why does the sec get the money? It's just an absurd play for money which seems stupid.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 10, 2024, 02:18 PMIf I were AD I'd tell the SEC to literally go fuck their own face.
That's why the deduct it from the TV payouts. They don't actually have to wait for us to write a check.
I'm sure. I'd still do though.
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If we beat LSU and Texas that's two more chances for the Hunter to sell goalposts to the fans for NIL.
That's how we win at the NIL game. Selling pieces of the stadium after every win. Last week the goalposts, next home win the urinal handles, the next win sell off Paul Eels' half full whiskey bottles that are still hiding up in the press box ceiling since that fateful accident. RIP.
Quote from: obijuana on Oct 10, 2024, 09:12 PMIf we beat LSU and Texas that's two more chances for the Hunter to sell goalposts to the fans for NIL.
That's how we win at the NIL game. Selling pieces of the stadium after every win. Last week the goalposts, next home win the urinal handles, the next win sell off Paul Eels' half full whiskey bottles that are still hiding up in the press box ceiling since that fateful accident. RIP.
Hootie's boxers ftw
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 10, 2024, 09:38 PMHootie's boxers ftw
If he were still here we'd be trying to sell Nutt Rags like Ole Miss.
I still wouldn't put it past the school to try to celebrate him by doing just that "for NIL".
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 11, 2024, 07:18 AMIf he were still here we'd be trying to sell Nutt Rags like Ole Miss.
I still wouldn't put it past the school to try to celebrate him by doing just that "for NIL".
We could put him in a dunking booth, but instead of water, empty a couple of full porta-potties into the tank. Charge $100 a throw. Our NIL problems would be over.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Oct 11, 2024, 09:17 AMWe could put him in a dunking booth, but instead of water, empty a couple of full porta-potties into the tank. Charge $100 a throw. Our NIL problems would be over.
"Buff, how did you afford so many tickets?"
"I took out a second mortgage."
"You know you're supposed to hit the red target. You can't win by throwing the balls directly at Mr. Nutt's throat."
"I don't care."
Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 11, 2024, 09:25 AM"Buff, how did you afford so many tickets?"
"I took out a second mortgage."
"You know you're supposed to hit the red target. You can't win by throwing the balls directly at Mr. Nutt's throat."
"I don't care."
I don't win. Humanity wins.
We should start a tradition to rush the field after every win. Fuck em. Except for those damn fines.
Quote from: aaron on Oct 11, 2024, 01:36 PMWe should start a tradition to rush the field after every win. Fuck em. Except for those damn fines.
See, this is where I'd like to see our legislature enact some goofy shit laws.
Make it against the law for any conference to fine a member institution within the state without unanimous consent of both houses of the state legislature, with the fine for violation or withholding revenue equal to double the amount of the announced fine. Also make it a felony for any member of that conference to enforce any punitive actions relating to non-payment of fines or any result of this law, with the fine being equal to the conferences full revenue from the previous year (payable within five business days) and imprisonment without bail for the conference's chief executive.
Also add in a provision that requires any game influenced by an obviously incorrect call (as determined by the school itself) to be overturned if the result of the game was within one score.
And death by torture for Marc Curles. Just because.
Before one of you submits this to Message Board Geniuses, understand that I realize this isn't feasible. It's just a sampling of how things would be if I became Dictator for Life.
Department of Education says Title IX applies to revenue sharing payments to athletes.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43443976/dept-education-says-title-ix-applies-payments-athletes
"However, the Office for Civil Rights -- the division of the Department of Education that enforces Title IX law -- said in its memo Thursday that those future payments should be considered "athletic financial assistance" and therefore must be shared proportionally between men and women athletes."
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 16, 2025, 08:02 PMDepartment of Education says Title IX applies to revenue sharing payments to athletes.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43443976/dept-education-says-title-ix-applies-payments-athletes
"However, the Office for Civil Rights -- the division of the Department of Education that enforces Title IX law -- said in its memo Thursday that those future payments should be considered "athletic financial assistance" and therefore must be shared proportionally between men and women athletes."
Also applies to NIl collectives lol.
That just sounds like what we all knew would happen...they are slitting own throats by forcing these universities to rake in all this cash meant for Football and Basketball only to give it to non-revenue generating sports (Women's sports) for equality. I assume this could be the nail in the coffin of the NCAA but perhaps even still someone could argue that these laws could impact private coalition sports leagues consisting of student-aged athletes competing in a wide array of sports akin to the current NCAA model but with less regulations
Quote from: animal on Jan 17, 2025, 07:27 AMThat just sounds like what we all knew would happen...they are slitting own throats by forcing these universities to rake in all this cash meant for Football and Basketball only to give it to non-revenue generating sports (Women's sports) for equality. I assume this could be the nail in the coffin of the NCAA but perhaps even still someone could argue that these laws could impact private coalition sports leagues consisting of student-aged athletes competing in a wide array of sports akin to the current NCAA model but with less regulations
As long as they're tied to the schools, and as long as those schools accept federal money (Pell Grants, federally funded student loans, etc), Title IX will likely apply.
Then again, one of Trump's promises was to disband the Department of Education. There may not be any agency left to enforce this bullshit.
I said when the California legislature kicked all this off that the goal was to kill NCAA football because it's fans were mostly white males.
There isn't much way to get around this without comprehensive legislation on several fronts and even with Republicans in control, I'm not sure the will is there for it.
The kids won't go back to an amateurism model. There are all kinds of issues with direct payments. The fans are losing interest and one has to believe big donor money will be running out eventually for all but a handful of schools. And I wouldn't put it past thought that there will be some lawsuits about donors paying NIL and Title IX since it is so obviously pay-to-play without even much pretense of providing value to the payor.
If comprehensive legislation doesn't fix it, this ends with kids playing minor league football in high school stadiums for peanuts and taking buses to Toledo, hoping for a call up to the NFL.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 17, 2025, 08:05 AMI said when the California legislature kicked all this off that the goal was to kill NCAA football because it's fans were mostly white males.
You are going to have to explain this statement. How did you get to NIL being a race thing?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 17, 2025, 08:05 AMThe kids won't go back to an amateurism model. There are all kinds of issues with direct payments. The fans are losing interest and one has to believe big donor money will be running out eventually for all but a handful of schools.
I wonder if there would ever be a market for another level of football within the D1 schools.
Basically, the hockey club team system on steroids. Figure out scholarships, all players must agree not to take NIL money. It would obviously be lower talent, but could be entertaining.
Would never work, but the more college football becomes a professional league, it seems like there's room for something there involving actual amateur football.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 17, 2025, 08:51 AMYou are going to have to explain this statement. How did you get to NIL being a race thing?
The most Marxist legislature in the country kicked this off when they made NIL the law in California. There was plenty of commentary at the time about the exploitation of the black athlete.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jan 17, 2025, 09:02 AMI wonder if there would ever be a market for another level of football within the D1 schools.
Basically, the hockey club team system on steroids. Figure out scholarships, all players must agree not to take NIL money. It would obviously be lower talent, but could be entertaining.
Would never work, but the more college football becomes a professional league, it seems like there's room for something there involving actual amateur football.
NIL will eventually prove what I said all along. Fans are there because the kids play for their schools, not for the kids. Put a bunch of high school kids in Razorback uniforms and they would still draw 50k fans. Put the best college age kids in the country in Toledo Mudhen minor league football uniforms and they won't draw 5k a game.
If we went to some model like the hockey model, college football would be diminished and fan support would suffer, but it would still draw millions more fans across the country than any kind of minor league professional league made up of great college age players.
Does this mean the university will have to give money to the hockey team that they keep making money off of selling their jerseys but not funding? Assholes
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 16, 2025, 08:02 PMDepartment of Education says Title IX applies to revenue sharing payments to athletes.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43443976/dept-education-says-title-ix-applies-payments-athletes
"However, the Office for Civil Rights -- the division of the Department of Education that enforces Title IX law -- said in its memo Thursday that those future payments should be considered "athletic financial assistance" and therefore must be shared proportionally between men and women athletes."
While not unexpected, this is going to make a fucked up situation even more fucked up. I don't understand how private donations to individuals-- which is what many NIL arrangements are-- can be subject to Title IX. I surely can't figure out how all this is going to work.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 17, 2025, 09:59 AMWhile not unexpected, this is going to make a fucked up situation even more fucked up. I don't understand how private donations to individuals-- which is what many NIL arrangements are-- can be subject to Title IX. I surely can't figure out how all this is going to work.
It's a mess but some 145 IQ plaintiff's attorney can figure out an angle.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 17, 2025, 09:06 AMThe most Marxist legislature in the country kicked this off when they made NIL the law in California. There was plenty of commentary at the time about the exploitation of the black athlete.
the california law was written so it wasn't going in effect until 2023. the purpose was so that the ncaa and congress could hammer out the details. they both failed.
among the first states to jump on it immediately were texas, florida, mississippi, all deep red.
and your racial bullshit is just that as white athletes have benefitted from nil every bit as much as anyone else.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 17, 2025, 10:15 AMthe california law was written so it wasn't going in effect until 2023. the purpose was so that the ncaa and congress could hammer out the details. they both failed.
among the first states to jump on it immediately were texas, florida, mississippi, all deep red.
and your racial bullshit is just that as white athletes have benefitted from nil every bit as much as anyone else.
Blah blah blah. What's your IQ? What does white players benefitting have to do with it? That's like the biggest non sequitur I've seen.
The point was the Marxist in California felt that the entire structure of college sports was a racist construct that took advantage of minority athletes and they set about to blow it up. And, of course, they pretty much have.
And yes, they knew that the legislatures of other college football states would be forced to follow suit or see all the athletes go to California.
It was all entirely foreseeable.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 17, 2025, 09:06 AMThe most Marxist legislature in the country kicked this off when they made NIL the law in California. There was plenty of commentary at the time about the exploitation of the black athlete.
Can you point us to any of that commentary? I never saw anything about race being a driver and can't find anything on the Google machine.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jan 17, 2025, 10:36 AMCan you point us to any of that commentary? I never saw anything about race being a driver and can't find anything on the Google machine.
Well, if you can't find it on Google, particularly if it relates to Democrat policies in California, it clearly doesn't exist.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 17, 2025, 10:49 AMWell, if you can't find it on Google, particularly if it relates to Democrat policies in California, it clearly doesn't exist.
so you just made it up
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Jan 17, 2025, 11:05 AMso you just made it up
Nope, you're not smart enough to remember or find it.
Ramogi Huma is the head of the non profit National College Players Association based in California. This is him;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramogi_Huma
Ramogi Huma basically wrote the original NIL bill sponsored by state senator Nancy Skinner. This is her:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Skinner_(politician)
These are some articles with Mr. Huma talking about race in college sports:
https://www.ncpanow.org/studies-revenue/study-how-the-ncaas-empire-robs-predominantly-black-athletes-of-billions-in-generational-wealth#:~:text=Huma%2520stated%252C%2520%E2%80%9CThere%2520is%2520no,players%2520themselves%2520will%2520never%2520see%E2%80%9D.
QuoteHuma stated, "There is no better example of NCAA sports' racial exploitation than colleges marching their football players into the COVID-19 pandemic without the enforcement of any health and safety standards in pursuit of football revenue that players themselves will never see".
https://girlsunited.essence.com/feedback/news/black-collegiate-athletes-complaint-ncaa/
QuoteHuma called out the cap on student-athlete compensation for being a discriminatory practice that "disproportionately harms Black athletes, while predominantly white coaches and administrators make millions of dollars," according to the AP. College athletes throughout predominantly white sports receive fair market compensation, but athletes in the only predominantly Black sports do not."
California state senator Stephen Bradford was a co-sponser of the original bill. This is him:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Bradford
He has made lots of statements about race in college sports even going on to the College Athlete Race and Gender Equity Act which begins thusly:
QuoteThe act begins by declaring certain findings, including:
College athletes of color in football and men's basketball graduate at lower rates than other students;
Black athletes experience educational neglect due to a range of issues; and
California Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) football players and Division I men and women basketball players are predominantly black and do not receive at least 50 percent of the revenue they produce.
But hey, you're right. I completely made up my memories of these guys talking about race in college sports being a motivating factor.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/07/race-money-and-exploitation-why-college-sport-is-still-the-new-plantation
https://youtu.be/Damic47Llxo?si=ohfWV4UE20-N_KHr
Professor Harry Edwards has always been leading the charge.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/harry-edwards-revolt-of-todays-black-athlete/
In your heart's you know TWB is right.
Here are a few articles that discuss the exploitation of young minority athletes and the rise of NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) rights:
- A Player's Worth: (https://thecrimsonwhite.com/101442/sports/a-players-worth-the-exploitation-of-black-athletes-and-the-rise-of-nil/) The exploitation of Black athletes and the rise of NIL: This article delves into the history of how colleges have exploited Black athletes for their talent and how NIL deals have provided much-needed recognition and financial benefits.
- College Athletes Lured by NIL Deals (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/antitrust/college-athletes-lured-by-nil-deals-exploited-by-fine-print), Exploited by Fine Print: This piece highlights the challenges and potential exploitation athletes face with NIL deals, including scams and disreputable agents.
- Title IX memo throws wrench in plans for schools to pay NIL money directly to athletes (https://apnews.com/article/college-sports-nil-title-ix-bf4850efc98967a4599fd5e9e5b0c4c2): This article discusses the complications and legal challenges surrounding NIL payments and how they intersect with Title IX regulations.
Give me 85 kids from Hardy and Pea Ridge then. I don't care.
This Title IX memo really hits at the collectives. An individual or business can still directly pay a player whatever they want. But these collectives while theoretically independent are pretty thinly veiled ways for a school to funnel money to athletes and pay them directly. And the memo says that as such, they have to do it proportionately in accordance with Title IX.
From an Arkansas angle it's pretty typical. Yurachek and Pittman have been touting revenue sharing nonstop as a way to level the playing field and now that would appear to be out the window for the time being. I know this isn't his fault but whatever Yurachek touches seems to turn to shit.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Jan 17, 2025, 12:52 PMThis Title IX memo really hits at the collectives. An individual or business can still directly pay a player whatever they want. But these collectives while theoretically independent are pretty thinly veiled ways for a school to funnel money to athletes and pay them directly. And the memo says that as such, they have to do it proportionately in accordance with Title IX.
From an Arkansas angle it's pretty typical. Yurachek and Pittman have been touting revenue sharing nonstop as a way to level the playing field and now that would appear to be out the window for the time being. I know this isn't his fault but whatever Yurachek touches seems to turn to shit.
I don't think so. From what I can tell, power schools will be required to share north of $20mm in revenues beginning next year.
This article is less pessimistic than the woopigs. But I would still put my money on the woopigs.
On President Joe Biden's way out the door, his Education Department has thrown a wrench into plans for universities to pay student-athletes directly. The payments will almost certainly still happen, but instead of schools using the vast majority of the payments on athletes in big-revenue programs (i.e. football), the Education Department says under Title IX the payments must be "proportionate" between male and female athletes.
The news probably gave some college football coaches and administrators a small heart attack—would they be able to keep the promises they made to a star recruit about how much money he'd make?—until they realized this is far from settled law.
The idea that Title IX applies here comes from a fact sheet published by the department's Office for Civil Rights. The incoming Trump administration's Education Department staff can just as easily publish their own fact sheet that says otherwise (as predicted by Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas)). Even if the Trump administration leaves the issue alone, the fact sheet is not a formal regulation and didn't go through any kind of rule-making procedure. It doesn't carry the force of law and probably wouldn't have much weight in court.
But the fact sheet still serves as a warning to college athletic departments: Next time there's a Democrat in the White House, be ready for this possibility.
The fact sheet says payments must be "substantially proportionate to the number of students of each sex participating in interscholastic or intercollegiate athletics at that school." Data vary, but the NCAA seems to have a slight majority of male athletes. If that ratio holds up across most schools, then it would upend plans to spend the vast majority of the money on football teams, which often generate the vast majority of athletic department revenue. Instead, almost half of the payments would have to go to women's sports. (Presumably, within the sexes, schools could still spend the vast majority on one sport, such as football or women's basketball.)
The controversial justification is that the payments are "athletic financial assistance," and thus subject to Title IX rules. "The basis for the Title IX guidance is that it classifies revenue sharing as financial assistance (similar to athletic scholarships) which appears to be highly questionable," Patrick O'Rourke, an accountant who compiled possible revenue-sharing estimates, wrote. But others think the application of Title IX to the payments is more clear. "Of course it applies to Title IX, it applies to higher education and has for all sorts of other things," says Mark Owens, an associate professor of economics at Penn State University. "I don't know why this is any different."
Either way, future presidential administrations could just as easily put out a fact sheet like this one, and even go further and put a less-ambiguous interpretation through the formal rule-making procedure.
Or, since the original 1972 law that included Title IX did not address how schools distribute revenue-sharing payments (since such payments did not exist), courts may not defer to the Education Department's interpretation of the law. The Supreme Court's recent overturning of Chevron doctrine may play a role here. "Per the Court's ruling in Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, judges may no longer defer to an agency interpretation because the statute is ambiguous," University of New Hampshire Law Professor Michael McCann wrote in a Sportico column.
This "could play an instrumental role in diminishing the [name, image, and likeness] fact sheet's importance."
Starting next school year, universities will likely be allowed by the NCAA to start directly paying student-athletes under revenue-sharing agreements. The new payments will be allowed under a new legal settlement that's expected to be finalized in April. Schools will be allowed to spend up to $20.5 million in that school year, with the number set to grow every year. Some coaches have already told the media they expect to have somewhere between $12.5 million or up to $17 million to spend on their football rosters—which would clearly not be compliant with Title IX.
If enacted, the new rule would further burden athletic departments with another regulation to keep track of. "That's kind of another layer that, within these institutions, you have to make sure that everything is, you know, Title IX compliant," Owens says. Throw that on the pile along with a complex web of recruiting rules, NCAA student-athlete rules, and all state and federal laws that affect athletic departments, and it's hard to see how any college sports teams manage to get through a season without breaking anything.
https://reason.com/2025/01/17/biden-makes-last-ditch-pass-at-interfering-in-college-sports/
I agree with article but it has one big flaw in its thinking. As it points out, these issues aren't settled law. Regardless of the validity of the ruling or if it gets changed, it provides sort of a template for future litigation. And let's not even mention what happens if in four years a democratic administration comes in and adopts it again. And if they disregard and start the revenue sharing plan as they had planned and a future court decision or ruling finds they shouldn't have AND RULES THEY HAVE TO PAY BACK PAY AND DAMAGES? What then? We're talking huge numbers.
People in education tend to be extremely risk adverse anyway. Now we expect them to go full speed ahead on revenue sharing with these sorts of issues unresolved?
There is going to have to be legislation. Expect the Democrats to vote as a bloc against anything perceived as limiting the earning potential of minority athletes and limiting their absolute freedom to move around as they please. Any legislation will need zero Republican defections in the House and likely won't meet the 60 vote threshold needed to get to a vote in the Senate.
So the only thing regulating transfers at this point are a school's admission rules. Most schools allow transfers at semester. So a player could transfer to a playoff team and play. If a school allows a mid semester transfer seems like according to this, a player could play on two teams in the same season.
Even if playing on two teams in a season is technically against NCAA rules, how are they going to enforce that if challenged in court?
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1880381446474592519
This NIL shit just gets more and more complicated.
I think all you need to remember about the NCAA and pretty much any rule, not just NIL, is one thing. There are no rules. If the NCAA tries to enforce a "rule" they are sued immediately and the court either rules they are violating anti-trust laws, or they capitulate pretty quickly to avoid a more damaging ruling. That's all you need to know.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 24, 2025, 05:28 AMbest NIL vid I've seen:
Thanks for posting this.
Schools like Arkansas will never have a chance again under this system. Unless professional collegiate athletics become carefully and
fairly regulated we will see the same cast of FBS, Final Four and CWS teams year in and year out. I will always root for Razorback athletes but I will never expect to see a winning conference record again.
I did appreciate the accompanying B roll of Ole Miss and Mizzou when the narrator was discussing poaching.
Can only be fixed with legislation, otherwise schools and the leagues will get sued in half a dozen different jurisdictions and venues and it will still be chaos.
They might be able to do something with the basketball tournament and the playoff. For instance the NCAA and Playoff Committee could set forth a set of conditions/rules that are required for consideration play in each. And then if a school didn't agree and comply, it wouldn't be considered no matter what. A set of rules like that would probably fall short of anti-trust collusion because a school would be free to do whatever it wanted and compete during the year, it just wouldn't be eligible for the playoffs or the NCAA tournament if it didn't follow the rules for playoff/tournament eligibility. So most schools would fall in line and you would in effect have schools voluntarily following certain rules in order to play in a post season event. That's potentially a lot different than a national organization where the schools collude and agree to rules.
Of course, nothing would stop anyone from setting up alternate events with different rules.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 24, 2025, 10:24 AMThanks for posting this.
Schools like Arkansas will never have a chance again under this system. Unless professional collegiate athletics become carefully and fairly regulated we will see the same cast of FBS, Final Four and CWS teams year in and year out.
Do we not spend the most on NIL in college basketball right now? Does a majority of the country still not give a fuck about college baseball? We should be okay in those two sports.
Quote from: hit_that_line on Jan 17, 2025, 12:49 PMGive me 85 kids from Hardy and Pea Ridge then. I don't care.
Those kids are playing at UCA. You can be a fan of them.
I joined the Alumni and had a good time. It's pure and real college sports the way they used to be.
Quote from: red death on Jan 24, 2025, 01:06 PMThose kids are playing at UCA. You can be a fan of them.
I joined the Alumni and had a good time. It's pure and real college sports the way they used to be.
If I still lived in Arkansas that is exactly what I would do.
As a proud alum, I still care a lot about UCA; my grandfather worked in the athletic department and I grew up playing in the old gym (I think it now houses the Prince Center) for hours at a time on nights and weekends.
It would be nice seeing kids that are there mostly just to keep playing the game they love for a little longer.
I hadn't realized that collectives were 501(c)3's. I seem to remember that the Razorback Foundation lost it's tax deductible status a while back.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 24, 2025, 05:28 AMbest NIL vid I've seen:
I hate the new normal more than ever after watching that.
Quote from: FNG on Jan 24, 2025, 02:59 PMIf I still lived in Arkansas that is exactly what I would do.
As a proud alum, I still care a lot about UCA; my grandfather worked in the athletic department and I grew up playing in the old gym (I think it now houses the Prince Center) for hours at a time on nights and weekends.
It would be nice seeing kids that are there mostly just to keep playing the game they love for a little longer.
I support them every year. The people are great. The parties at the alumni hall are fun. My step niece works at the alumni hall. I see people who moved off come back home all the time. Some of them after 50 years. It's fun seeing them reconnect and hearing their stories.
It's a special place. I'm turning more and more toward the Bears the older I get.
And there's none of the bullshit like we're talking about.
Support Layne Taylor and basketball team too. He's the real deal.
Quote from: red death on Jan 25, 2025, 10:13 AMI support them every year. The people are great. The parties at the alumni hall are fun. My step niece works at the alumni hall. I see people who moved off come back home all the time. Some of them after 50 years. It's fun seeing them reconnect and hearing their stories.
It's a special place. I'm turning more and more toward the Bears the older I get.
And there's none of the bullshit like we're talking about.
Support Layne Taylor and basketball team too. He's the real deal.
Cal wouldn't play him but Taylor could start for Arksnsas right now. I don't care that he's 5 feet tall.
I assume most of you got this. I am not a season ticket holder and I got it at two different email addresses. NIL seems to be the right thread, yah?
Dear Razorback Nation,
We are deeply appreciative of your continued support of Razorback Athletics. Your investment has helped our student-athletes achieve unprecedented success, including the program's best Learfield Directors' Cup finishes in history, eight NCAA team championships and a conference best 37 Southeastern Conference championships in the past seven years. We are grateful for your generosity!
As successful as our athletics program has been in the past, the changing dynamics within intercollegiate athletics necessitate a revised game plan for our future. Last November, we shared with you some of the challenging aspects of today's intercollegiate athletics. The ever-changing landscape of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL), the pending final approval of the House vs. NCAA lawsuit, future revenue sharing with student-athletes and additional scholarship costs will all have a major impact on our program.
We have already taken meaningful steps to help ensure that Razorback Athletics can continue to compete and win in the SEC and nationally, including conducting a comprehensive budget and resources review, adding corporate logos on playing surfaces and implementing a student-athlete scholarship enhancement fee.
In addition, we shared our decision to implement a reset on all seating and parking associated with Bud Walton Arena for the 2025-26 men's basketball season. It will mark the first comprehensive reseating and reparking since Bud Walton Arena opened in 1993.
The Men's Basketball Reseating and Reparking Process will:
Through the implementation of new ticket limits, provide additional Razorback Foundation members with an opportunity to secure men's basketball season tickets.
Create a more equitable process for Razorback Foundation members to select their ticket and parking locations.
Provide an opportunity to recognize the loyalty of current season ticket holders by ensuring they will be guaranteed their current ticket quantity within the arena, as long as they meet the current membership level requirement for that quantity.
Enhance Annual Fund revenue, increasing support to help mitigate increased expenses related to anticipated revenue sharing and additional scholarships for Razorback student-athletes.
Be an essential part of our ongoing commitment to position our men's basketball program and each of our other 18 sports programs for success.
Below you will find more detailed information about the reseating and reparking plan, including an outline and timeline of the process. We encourage you to review this information thoroughly so you can make informed decisions as we move forward. Our team is also available to answer questions and help you throughout this process.
Hunter Yurachek
Details, followed by ticket limits that range from 2 for Razorback ($50-99) to 14 for Broyles-Matthews Diamond ($40,000+).
All Razorback Foundation members and 2024-25 Men's Basketball season ticket holders will have the opportunity to participate in the Men's Basketball Reseating and Reparking process.
Current Men's Basketball Season Ticket Holders will be guaranteed their 2024-25 season ticket quantity, as long as they contribute at the Big Hog ($500 level) or higher and meet the new ticket limit guidelines outlined below. However, no specific location will be guaranteed.
In order to be eligible to participate in the Seating and Parking Selection process, you must be a Razorback Foundation member. Click here to join online.
All fans who are interested in season tickets will be required to complete the Season Ticket Request form to be eligible to receive a Seating and Parking Selection appointment time.
At the start of the Seating and Parking Selection process, all seats that have been designated for public season tickets will be available for selection (excluding seats retained by the new Broyles-Matthews Diamond members).
All fans who completed the Season Ticket Request form will have the opportunity to select seats based on availability and their Razorback Foundation membership level and priority points ranking.
Membership level ticket quantities and parking pass maximums have been adjusted.
Fans will select their new parking location (pending availability) after they complete the seat selection process. No specific parking location will be guaranteed.
"a student-athlete scholarship enhancement fee"
:rofl:
Arkansas Edge is looking for a new director.....again.
https://x.com/hogsonsi/status/1889489600164376989
Quote from: DrMongoose on Feb 12, 2025, 06:09 PMArkansas Edge is looking for a new director.....again.
https://x.com/hogsonsi/status/1889489600164376989
That whole article and the link to the failed holiday auction shows how out of touch we seem to be. 6 of the 8 auction items failed to sell. Nobody wanted Cam Littles stinky shoes?
I wonder how HY will respond if about 30% of basketball season ticket holders tell him to GFY. He seems to be struggling mightily to manage NIL messaging.
Quote from: animal on Jul 17, 2024, 06:42 AMhttps://arkansasedgenil.com/pages/our-team
I don't have the time right now to get into it but I'd be curious how other schools are filling out there NIL collective staffs. I feel like most of these people are are a bit green which goes toward the idea that it's not being funded very well at all. less than a 1000 members even after hiring Cal is pretty much a fucking joke. But I think it's also just a sign that money is tight.
It's almost like we don't know what we're doing.
(I have zero answers myself)
Since it is the wild west and there are no rules we ought to be leading the pack with pushing the limits
Did anyone get the "please join the foundation" email this week?
It had a chart of how many people are in each tier. I really thought there were more foundation members than that.
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Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Feb 12, 2025, 10:00 PMDid anyone get the "please join the foundation" email this week?
It had a chart of how many people are in each tier. I really thought there were more foundation members than that.
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Good grief. I thought there were a LOT more foundation members than that. Sad.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Feb 12, 2025, 10:04 PMGood grief. I thought there were a LOT more foundation members than that. Sad.
it really makes some of those target numbers for individual NIL donors look pretty laughable.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Feb 13, 2025, 07:20 AMit really makes some of those target numbers for individual NIL donors look pretty laughable.
Maybe fans don't want to pay for college players beyond tickets and concessions.
I know I sure don't. If that means Arkansas athletics dies, so be it.
The system is not something I want to buy into.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Feb 13, 2025, 07:36 AMMaybe fans don't want to pay for college players beyond tickets and concessions.
I know I sure don't. If that means Arkansas athletics dies, so be it.
The system is not something I want to buy into.
We got a t-shirt fan over here!
Agree 100%.
Aggy gets richer.
https://x.com/billyliucci/status/1895501331642958224?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
I bet they didn't even do an integrity audit of Playfly first.
Quote from: mde114 on Feb 28, 2025, 11:53 AMAggy gets richer.
https://x.com/billyliucci/status/1895501331642958224?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
Meanwhile, HY is over here looking under the couch cushions for spare change...
Quote from: Keyser Soooie on Feb 28, 2025, 12:55 PMMeanwhile, HY is over here looking under the couch cushions for spare change...
What if there ins't someone holding a big bag of cash just waiting for HY to take it?
We act like there is this bag man just waiting for HY to exploit.
Yall need to pony up you're not real fans!!
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Feb 13, 2025, 07:36 AMMaybe fans don't want to pay for college players beyond tickets and concessions.
I know I sure don't. If that means Arkansas athletics dies, so be it.
The system is not something I want to buy into.
Not that I have the cash to give ~$100/mo, but I'm not excited about pitching in to have kids come here only to hold the fans hostage for more money next year then end up transferring anyway. This off season in football really didn't sit well with me with guys like Kutas pinky promising that he wouldn't go anywhere if he got a redshirt and going back on his word. Not only that, he went to a school that he himself said he grew up hating.
Then you had the RB, Russell or whoever, who flip flopped about 3 or 4 times. I know we need all the talent we can get, but there's no way in hell this kid finishes his college career at Arkansas.
We have so many guys come and go now that I only remember a handful of their names. We had that one asshole from Michigan State who said we couldn't afford him, then he comes here and sucks it up. The players aren't likable and it's even worse when they suck.
That'll buy a bunch of sheep or fake army guys to fuck
Quote from: Hognrock on Feb 28, 2025, 08:13 PMThat'll buy a bunch of sheep or fake army guys to fuck
And they will still go 8-4.
I'm a boomer (sorry HTL) and I grew up in an era when Hog players knew they represented the University of Arkansas and, just as importantly, the state of Arkansas and they played like it. The only publicity they received was maybe a few mentions in the Sunday sports pages if they played really well but every kid on every peewee, junior high and high school knew them and idolized them. Even fans of local in-state colleges still rooted for the Hogs.
I know those days are gone forever but I treasure the fact that I was able to enjoy them. I'll still root for the Hog teams if for no other reason than the memory of what they used to represent but I'll no longer waste emotional or financial resources on hired mercenaries who have no attachment to the team other than as a source of income.
Quote from: FNG on Mar 02, 2025, 10:02 AMI'm a boomer (sorry HTL) and I grew up in an era when Hog players knew they represented the University of Arkansas and, just as importantly, the state of Arkansas and they played like it. The only publicity they received was maybe a few mentions in the Sunday sports pages if they played really well but every kid on every peewee, junior high and high school knew them and idolized them. Even fans of local in-state colleges still rooted for the Hogs.
I know those days are gone forever but I treasure the fact that I was able to enjoy them. I'll still root for the Hog teams if for no other reason than the memory of what they used to represent but I'll no longer waste emotional or financial resources on hired mercenaries who have no attachment to the team other than as a source of income.
Well said. We enjoyed the golden days of college athletics.
And, DITTO.
Quote from: FNG on Mar 02, 2025, 10:02 AMI'm a boomer (sorry HTL) and I grew up in an era when Hog players knew they represented the University of Arkansas and, just as importantly, the state of Arkansas and they played like it. The only publicity they received was maybe a few mentions in the Sunday sports pages if they played really well but every kid on every peewee, junior high and high school knew them and idolized them. Even fans of local in-state colleges still rooted for the Hogs.
I know those days are gone forever but I treasure the fact that I was able to enjoy them. I'll still root for the Hog teams if for no other reason than the memory of what they used to represent but I'll no longer waste emotional or financial resources on hired mercenaries who have no attachment to the team other than as a source of income.
Very well put. I'm pissed that moneys influence has taken my last two circuses. I lived for Hog football since birth and basketball since I was a teenager. I just don't watch or keep up with them any more except out here. I've found it's better on my health also.
Quote from: mde114 on Mar 02, 2025, 12:32 PMWell said. We enjoyed the golden days of college athletics.
And, DITTO.
Same. And I am debating on whether to make my annual contribution to the foundation. Leaning towards no.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Mar 02, 2025, 02:12 PMSame. And I am debating on whether to make my annual contribution to the foundation. Leaning towards no.
We kept contributing for baseball's sake, but they're getting a big HELL NO on the football ticket renewal.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 02, 2025, 03:19 PMWe kept contributing for baseball's sake, but they're getting a big HELL NO on the football ticket renewal.
Yeah, we will designate ours for baseball. No football or basketball tickets.
Quote from: mde114 on Feb 28, 2025, 11:53 AMAggy gets richer.
https://x.com/billyliucci/status/1895501331642958224?s=46&t=FHt3TXiQXntEfO1EaA49XQ
I will be shocked if that contract works out.
Playfly is jumping into the market so they have to throw crazy money at some schools to get started.
If A&M was worth that $$$$ in multi-media rights then IMG College would keep that account.
Also when IMG College took over Razorback Sports Properties they signed a deal with the UofA for what was then a little crazy money though not guaranteed. Needless to say, IMG had to redo that deal with a25--35% lower return along with a lot of other schools when they started to loose their a$$.
non-tv media rights and sponsorships have always been a tough sell for what schools want to bring in, the market keeps shrinking and now you have NIL deals competing for the same shriking dollar (not mention the folks just turned off by the whole NIL thing anyway) which makes that deal financially stupid on Playfly's part and of course, you sign it if you are A&M but they would be wise to not spend that money yet. Also, if A&M needs that money then college atheltics is really in trouble because that's the last school that needs more money right?
it will be really interesting to see what college athletics looks like in 5-10 years and if the TV deals are still worth the money that is keeping college athletics afloat.
The smartest PR move Hunter and Sam and Cal could make but won't is to do like Norvell and other and donate half of their multi million dollar salary back to the school for NIL. Instead the AD making $1.7 million a year will continue to beg Arkansans making less than $70,000 a year to dig deeper while he drives around in one f his 2 UofA issued vehicles while wearing that dumas $45 razorback blazer from walmart with $200 tennis shoes.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Mar 02, 2025, 02:12 PMSame. And I am debating on whether to make my annual contribution to the foundation. Leaning towards no.
I didn't. I've not been able to stomach the sellout suckage since we lowered ourselves to hire our current OC as HC to wreck the program some years ago.
I mean, I wrote some cheques since then but not anymore. NIL has fully decimated college sports and the semblance of it being anything but mercenary.
Quote from: Zeke on Mar 03, 2025, 06:18 PMI didn't. I've not been able to stomach the sellout suckage since we lowered ourselves to hire our current OC as HC to wreck the program some years ago.
I mean, I wrote some cheques since then but not anymore. NIL has fully decimated college sports and the semblance of it being anything but mercenary.
You're still on the same train that made you look like a fool 13 years ago I see.
The current OC is the only SEC level head coach we've had since joining the league. The records before and after prove this.
And before you jump in with the "it's his fault it tanked", "we had to fire him because LAWSUITS", or any of the other retardation originating from Jeff Long's cockholster, just understand that you are once again horribly wrong and were taken in by people who had something other than the program's best interests at heart.
I was hoping you had seen the light and recovered from your BPDS. Everyone deserves a shot at redemption.
Quote from: Guardrail on Feb 28, 2025, 06:03 PMYall need to pony up you're not real fans!!
They aren't serious about football.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 04, 2025, 12:59 PMThey aren't serious about football.
At all. Which is sad given the tradition of razorback football. Well, up until Chad. That was the nail in the coffin. That's when the PTB just said F this F'n game. I sound like boondoggle.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 03, 2025, 06:23 PMYou're still on the same train that made you look like a fool 13 years ago I see.
The current OC is the only SEC level head coach we've had since joining the league. The records before and after prove this.
And before you jump in with the "it's his fault it tanked", "we had to fire him because LAWSUITS", or any of the other retardation originating from Jeff Long's cockholster, just understand that you are once again horribly wrong and were taken in by people who had something other than the program's best interests at heart.
I was hoping you had seen the light and recovered from your BPDS. Everyone deserves a shot at redemption.
Keep digging. You'll find reality, eventually.
Quote from: Zeke on Mar 05, 2025, 11:01 AMKeep digging. You'll find reality, eventually.
Keep thrusting. Eventually the goat will get off.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 05, 2025, 02:14 PMKeep thrusting. Eventually the goat will get off.
:rofl:
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 05, 2025, 02:14 PMKeep thrusting. Eventually the goat will get off.
That kid will be fucked for the rest of his life.
so, nothing about the governor of arkansas signing a bill that eliminates taxes on any nil money?
retroactive to the first of the year, and it makes any revenue sharing or nil paid by the university (if/when it happens) not subject to foia requests.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 27, 2025, 06:55 PMso, nothing about the governor of arkansas signing a bill that eliminates taxes on any nil money?
retroactive to the first of the year, and it makes any revenue sharing or nil paid by the university (if/when it happens) not subject to foia requests.
It also makes those payments not subject to state income tax.
As a working man, that doesn't sit well.
I agree with Joe...
https://x.com/slatermojoe/status/1915884948382273579?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
We continue to have a worthless state congress
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 27, 2025, 07:34 PMAs a working man, that doesn't sit well.
If they are going to make the NIL income non-taxable, the only fair thing to do is make contributions deductible. Or even better, give a tax credit for NIL donations.
I'd much rather see some five star power forward get my taxes than any government entity.
That is a huge pile. How much more special treatment do they need? NIL has officially jumped the shark.
Quote from: Zeke on Mar 05, 2025, 11:01 AMKeep digging. You'll find reality, eventually.
I'm with you, Doc.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 27, 2025, 09:00 PMIf they are going to make the NIL income non-taxable, the only fair thing to do is make contributions deductible. Or even better, give a tax credit for NIL donations.
I'd much rather see some five star power forward get my taxes than any government entity.
Neither of your alternatives will ever happen.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 27, 2025, 09:52 PMNeither of your alternatives will ever happen.
Of course.
Surely that's just Arkansas state taxes, which would be a minor issue compared to federal taxes that they would still have to pay.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 28, 2025, 04:11 AMSurely that's just Arkansas state taxes, which would be a minor issue compared to federal taxes that they would still have to pay.
Clearly, the state legislature doesn't have the authority to exempt them from federal income taxes.
Who sponsored the bill and what was the point? These kids are being paid millions and they don't want them to pay state income taxes off that? This rubs wrong
and then there's this. i think this is how players will be paid, as employees of private companies and not the schools. gets around a lot of legal and tax issues.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/kentucky-looks-turn-nil-powerhouse-230325432.html
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 09:33 AMand then there's this. i think this is how players will be paid, as employees of private companies and not the schools. gets around a lot of legal and tax issues.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/kentucky-looks-turn-nil-powerhouse-230325432.html
the University of Kentucky has become the first major program to convert its athletic department into a for-profit limited liability company I wonder whether any of the athletes even need to be enrolled as students at that point.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 28, 2025, 09:50 AMthe University of Kentucky has become the first major program to convert its athletic department into a for-profit limited liability company
I wonder whether any of the athletes even need to be enrolled as students at that point.
why not? they are still students, just getting paid for a job by the llc. this gets around the tricky shit having them employed by the university itself.
the llc will be part of the athletic department, just putting the money part of it more in the hands of people who know how to run a business.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Apr 28, 2025, 08:46 AMWho sponsored the bill and what was the point?
I'm guessing the point is to give the UofA and the other state schools, a recruiting advantage.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 10:13 AMwhy not? they are still students, just getting paid for a job by the llc. this gets around the tricky shit having them employed by the university itself.
the llc will be part of the athletic department, just putting the money part of it more in the hands of people who know how to run a business.
I think the question isn't why not..... it's why. Especially if they don't want to be. But they still want to play for Kentucky.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 28, 2025, 10:22 AMI think the question isn't why not..... it's why. Especially if they don't want to be. But they still want to play for Kentucky.
not sure i understand what you're saying here.
they will have to be enrolled at kentucky if they want to get paid by kentucky's llc. as was mentioned in the article, this will be a part of the university of kentucky athletic department. i didn't read this as meaning players won't have to go to class at all.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 28, 2025, 10:22 AMI think the question isn't why not..... it's why. Especially if they don't want to be. But they still want to play for Kentucky.
Because the NCAA and the SEC still exist. They require their players to be students at least nominally progressing towards a degree.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 09:33 AMand then there's this. i think this is how players will be paid, as employees of private companies and not the schools. gets around a lot of legal and tax issues.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/kentucky-looks-turn-nil-powerhouse-230325432.html
It may have been mentioned already, but if it's part of the school it's subject to FOIA. Just imagine the infighting when LaQuerious finds out Le-a is making more money than him.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 09:33 AMand then there's this. i think this is how players will be paid, as employees of private companies and not the schools. gets around a lot of legal and tax issues.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/kentucky-looks-turn-nil-powerhouse-230325432.html
This is the way. We could get rid of the Foundation and all the hoops we have to go through with coaching salaries. Coaches and players would be employees of the LLC.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Apr 28, 2025, 10:38 AMThis is the way. We could get rid of the Foundation and all the hoops we have to go through with coaching salaries. Coaches and players would be employees of the LLC.
I agree. The only thing is that we have to make sure to have it iron clad that the university can't divert athletic revenue. I think before I mentioned maybe making the AD report directly to the Board of Trustees rather than to the chancellor. Otherwise we'd be at the mercy of another future John White type athletics hater who might siphon off the funds generated by sports.
It's really a good idea. We make around $200 million in revenue too. We could deduct salaries and expenditures on everything from facilities to athletic tape. Run it like a business that brings in more than $200 million a year instead of having our AD cry about how poor we are all the time.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Apr 28, 2025, 10:52 AMIt's really a good idea. We make around $200 million in revenue too. We could deduct salaries and expenditures on everything from facilities to athletic tape. Run it like a business that brings in more than $200 million a year instead of having our AD cry about how poor we are all the time.
I guess they would have to work out lease agreements with the university for facilities, parking, etc. And would have to pay tuition for the athletes, although we're already taking athletics revenue to fund all that.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 28, 2025, 10:55 AMI guess they would have to work out lease agreements with the university for facilities, parking, etc. And would have to pay tuition for the athletes, although we're already taking athletics revenue to fund all that.
Sure, but if you wanted to pay a coach $15 million, you could find it in the budget instead of having to beg for donations.
The facilities model is done. They no longer matter. It's going to be about maximizing return. I wish Arkansas would get on board, but I know in my heart that we'll be half hearted and late to the party. We'll run it like a small market cheap ass MLB franchise while everyone else in the SEC wants to be the New York Yankees.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 10:34 AMnot sure i understand what you're saying here.
they will have to be enrolled at kentucky if they want to get paid by kentucky's llc. as was mentioned in the article, this will be a part of the university of kentucky athletic department. i didn't read this as meaning players won't have to go to class at all.
Yeah I'm asking a more fundamental question. Like Al Pacino, I'm questioning the whole damn system.
If the amateur status of college athletes can be scrapped, why can't the student part of those athletes be scrapped?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 28, 2025, 11:04 AMYeah I'm asking a more fundamental question. Like Al Pacino, I'm questioning the whole damn system.
If the amateur status of college athletes can be scrapped, why can't the student part of those athletes be scrapped?
well at that point wouldn't it not qualify as college sports. If they aren't a student on campus then how do you play for said college. We just gonna have independent teams of the colleges and basically be mini nfl with a bunch of athletes who go from college straight to playing and no education?
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Apr 28, 2025, 10:52 AMIt's really a good idea. We make around $200 million in revenue too. We could deduct salaries and expenditures on everything from facilities to athletic tape. Run it like a business that brings in more than $200 million a year instead of having our AD cry about how poor we are all the time.
not only that but it can bring in revenue streams that athletic directors can't currently do.
instead of having chicken man just throw bags of cash at the program or counting on a gambling app, why not let him use his (and others) business acumen to plot out investments.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Apr 28, 2025, 11:04 AMYeah I'm asking a more fundamental question. Like Al Pacino, I'm questioning the whole damn system.
If the amateur status of college athletes can be scrapped, why can't the student part of those athletes be scrapped?
how is the amateur part being scrapped? they will be hired by a company for a job. it's a business, has been one for a long time whether we like it or not. and i personally don't see the direct connection between student and amateur.
and just to be clear, this looks more like an opportunity to expand revenue streams right now, but i'm sure once the settlement money eventually kicks in, it will be handled thru the llc.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 11:17 AMhow is the amateur part being scrapped?
Not sure if serious.
Because now they're being paid money to play college sports, sometimes millions of dollars, when previously they were not?
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 28, 2025, 11:17 AMnot only that but it can bring in revenue streams that athletic directors can't currently do.
instead of having chicken man just throw bags of cash at the program or counting on a gambling app, why not let him use his (and others) business acumen to plot out investments.
how is the amateur part being scrapped? they will be hired by a company for a job. it's a business, has been one for a long time whether we like it or not. and i personally don't see the direct connection between student and amateur.
and just to be clear, this looks more like an opportunity to expand revenue streams right now, but i'm sure once the settlement money eventually kicks in, it will be handled thru the llc.
I assume the LLC deal is step 1 into selling part of the athletic program to a private equity firm.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 28, 2025, 10:36 AMJust imagine the infighting when LaQuerious finds out Le-a is making more money than him.
as we know not as much as when he finds out Le-a is fucking Laterian behind his back
Why not just eliminate state income taxes for all. That way we aren't having to jump thru hoops just to facilitate college athletics which are a total shit show.
When was the last time major college player was ruled academically ineligible after they've been in school for a year or more? Grok couldn't find one. Google AI couldn't either.
Bottom line: They're employees. The state of Arkansas is enticing kids to choose Arkansas schools for the tax break.
Quote from: obijuana on Apr 28, 2025, 06:23 PMWhen was the last time major college player was ruled academically ineligible after they've been in school for a year or more? Grok couldn't find one. Google AI couldn't either.
Bottom line: They're employees. The state of Arkansas is enticing kids to choose Arkansas schools for the tax break.
Don't forget we are recruiting against Tennessee and Texas and other states that don't have a state income tax. Perhaps just a little leveling of the playing field.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 28, 2025, 06:30 PMDon't forget we are recruiting against Tennessee and Texas and other states that don't have a state income tax. Perhaps just a little leveling of the playing field.
That's an excellent point and I bet it's the basis of the idea.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 28, 2025, 06:30 PMDon't forget we are recruiting against Tennessee and Texas and other states that don't have a state income tax. Perhaps just a little leveling of the playing field.
That can be the only reason. *sigh* Now our politicians are selling out to these fucking kids. Just do that when big industry is looking for a new place to build their widgets. No state tax if you move your business to the Natural State. No state tax if you'll take our NIL deal.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 28, 2025, 06:30 PMDon't forget we are recruiting against Tennessee and Texas and other states that don't have a state income tax. Perhaps just a little leveling of the playing field.
Arkansas state income tax on a million bucks is about 40k. We're probably not keeping a player away from Texas over 40k.
So they don't want you to know how much more than what you make a year they are paying these kids but the AD is gonna come asking for your money on behalf of both the athletic department and to help pay the kids?
I would not trust our AD to run a lemonade stand.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 28, 2025, 07:22 PMArkansas state income tax on a million bucks is about 40k. We're probably not keeping a player away from Texas over 40k.
Maybe, maybe not. You know mama could use that extra $40k.
Not a huge deal, but it is a deal.
Well yeah, if he didn't receive any payment, I wouldn't pursue it. Returning payments when you never even reached a season, would seem more reasonable.
The NIL era has already opened up diverse opportunities and complications throughout college athletics. What was once a far-reaching step toward empowering student-athletes has now become a legal battleground, with schools and players conflicting over enforcing contract agreements.
The latest situation in the NIL world arose when sports attorney Darren Heitner publicly questioned the University of Arkansas' NIL collective, pointing out that the school is pursuing an invalid buyout clause against Dazmin James, a former Razorbacks receiver.
The Arkansas NIL collective functions under Blueprint Sports (BPSE) and, with the support of Hunter Yurachek, the athletics director, recently reached out with a demand letter to two ex-players: Dazmin James and Madden Iamaleava.
The group requests $200,000 from Iamaleava, a QB who moved to UCLA to join his brother, Nico, and an unspecified amount from James, a receiver who also left the program.
These requests find root in buyout clauses in the parties' NIL agreements, which require players to pay back portions of their contract, typically 50% of the remaining earnings, if they transfer to other programs before their contract term ends.
In Arkansas's case, the deals are structured to last one year, which means a mid-term transfer under the agreement could result in significant financial penalties for the players.
However, in a statement shared with CBS Sports, Heitner, a recognized sports attorney known for representing college athletes, stepping in for James, argued that the buyout clause in James' contract cannot be forced under Arkansas law.
"My position is that the buyout clause in the agreement is unenforceable, as written and applied, under Arkansas law," Heitner declared.
He further stated that for the liquidated damages to be valid, they must, to a reasonable extent, estimate potential damages and be implemented when the real damages are challenging to determine.
In James' case, Heitner detailed that the player received no payment from the association, and the agreement was terminated just days after it was implemented.
"BPSE suffered no harm," he emphasized, referring to the clause as the type that imposes a penalty rather than a fair estimate of damages, which renders it legally untenable.
This will surely just be the beginning—for this specific situation and for NIL disputes as a whole—as the world of college sports continues to adapt to this new reality of "amateur" athletics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/more-nil-battles-incoming-sports-attorney-takes-on-arkansas-over-dazmin-james-nil-dispute/ar-AA1DRwBj?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=30817068d5ca4dccadc771c4d7cf2a1b&ei=35
"BPSE suffered no harm,"
What about a potential receiver you might have signed had you not counted on James being there?
I would argue that is harm.
If there truly has not been any money paid, it will be interesting to see Tom Mars' theory on damages.
If there was money paid, with an agreement that money was a condition of him playing for the school this year, I firmly support a lawsuit to have the money returned, if that was necessary. Not sure how I would feel about suing for non monetary "damages" that seems like it could hurt your rep. There needs to be a governing body stepping in to put some order to the number and frequency of transfer being allowed that all kids and all schools have to abide by. Obviously it should be the NCAA, but I'm not really sure what they do at this point.
tripping over this guy for damages but not luke haaz or pooh paul who had to have much, much better nil deals.
i don't get it and think it will not end well.
This reeks of setting the trend with performance based contracts. That worked well.
Quote from: jdcatty on Apr 29, 2025, 07:13 PMIf there truly has not been any money paid, it will be interesting to see Tom Mars' theory on damages.
If James had been hurt, cut, or otherwise couldn't play ever again 30 seconds after signing that deal, he would have gone after the program for the monies he would have been owed. And rightfully so. I've no problem with the program doing the same thing.
If the contrat says he will pay the program half the value of his contract shoudl he choose to leave, then he needs to pay it. This is business, not a charity. The players asked for this. Fuck em.
any money that is owed is owed to the collective, not the program. just wanted to point that out.
james had been on campus since june 2023 and hadn't done shit. the only reason he saw the field as a wr for the bowl game was because teslaa and armstrong declared for the draft. and if he had gotten hurt, then why wouldn't he still get any nil money? injuries happen all the time and there is no performance clause (as of now) in the deals.
like i said, we had much more valuable guys just up and go to a conference rival but this dude is the hill the collective seems to want to die on? makes no sense.
Enforcing the terms of a contract always makes sense.
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 30, 2025, 08:37 AMany money that is owed is owed to the collective, not the program. just wanted to point that out.
james had been on campus since june 2023 and hadn't done shit. the only reason he saw the field as a wr for the bowl game was because teslaa and armstrong declared for the draft. and if he had gotten hurt, then why wouldn't he still get any nil money? injuries happen all the time and there is no performance clause (as of now) in the deals.
like i said, we had much more valuable guys just up and go to a conference rival but this dude is the hill the collective seems to want to die on? makes no sense.
Unless they had different terms in their contracts or they paid the buyout like they were supposed to.
i'm talking about the 'damages' part of the thing.
it was less damaging for luke haaz to bail than it was james?
Quote from: vegashog on Apr 30, 2025, 08:37 AMany money that is owed is owed to the collective, not the program. just wanted to point that out.
james had been on campus since june 2023 and hadn't done shit. the only reason he saw the field as a wr for the bowl game was because teslaa and armstrong declared for the draft. and if he had gotten hurt, then why wouldn't he still get any nil money? injuries happen all the time and there is no performance clause (as of now) in the deals.
like i said, we had much more valuable guys just up and go to a conference rival but this dude is the hill the collective seems to want to die on? makes no sense.
What's the statute of limitations on something like this? Make it plain that if you screw us and ever do make any money playing football, plan to spend a good portion of it on lawyers fees. That takes away the optics of going after a "college student".
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 30, 2025, 09:19 AMWhat's the statute of limitations on something like this? Make it plain that if you screw us and ever do make any money playing football, plan to spend a good portion of it on lawyers fees. That takes away the optics of going after a "college student".
Written contract, five years on a breach claim.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 30, 2025, 08:54 AMEnforcing the terms of a contract always makes sense.
Unless enforcement causes more destruction of brand value than it would bring back in damages.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 30, 2025, 09:29 AMUnless enforcement causes more destruction of brand value than it would bring back in damages.
There's no way to even know that Napoleon.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 30, 2025, 09:34 AMThere's no way to even know that Napoleon.
Maybe, maybe not.
If our collective being seen as petty and vindictive for going after a guy like James who apparently never received any money causes us to lose one recruit who would've performed better, it's a net loss. Given that we are always on the tail end of the recruiting rankings among teams on our schedule, adding an additional barrier like that over a relative pittance in college athletics terms seems unwise.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 30, 2025, 09:41 AMMaybe, maybe not.
If our collective being seen as petty and vindictive for going after a guy like James who apparently never received any money causes us to lose one recruit who would've performed better, it's a net loss. Given that we are always on the tail end of the recruiting rankings among teams on our schedule, adding an additional barrier like that over a relative pittance in college athletics terms seems unwise.
The simple answer is for the language to not be in the contract. If you have no intention of enforcing all provisions of a contract, then don't put those provisions in. Simple.
We need to start suing agents, boosters, and opposing coaches for tortious interference with contract. Get at the real culprits with deep pockets.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Apr 30, 2025, 10:34 AMWe need to start suing agents, boosters, and opposing coaches for tortious interference with contract. Get at the real culprits with deep pockets.
There's probably a lot of money to be made. You'd have to put up with all kinds of doxing activity by pissing off entire fan bases, but you could get rich. There will also be a big market for kids trying to get their money from shady agents and influencers.
I'm just ready for the whole thing to be burned down so I hope there's maximum chaos.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 30, 2025, 11:25 AMThere's probably a lot of money to be made. You'd have to put up with all kinds of doxing activity by pissing off entire fan bases, but you could get rich. There will also be a big market for kids trying to get their money from shady agents and influencers.
I'm just ready for the whole thing to be burned down so I hope there's maximum chaos.
Same here.
Arkansas football cannot compete in the current environment. We might as well try and tear it down.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 30, 2025, 11:25 AMI'm just ready for the whole thing to be burned down so I hope there's maximum chaos.
Quickest way for that to happen would be for the Waltons to step up the plate and buy us a few championships. That would not be allowed to stand and rules would be changed.
Personally, I'd be fine with us making that sacrifice for the good of college sports.
If the walton's would get together and set up a family endowment of $10billion for razorbacks athletics, I doubt we'd ever spend all the interest it would earn.
The walton's wouldn't even notice a few billion each gone.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 30, 2025, 12:07 PMQuickest way for that to happen would be for the Waltons to step up the plate and buy us a few championships. That would not be allowed to stand and rules would be changed.
Personally, I'd be fine with us making that sacrifice for the good of college sports.
Does D1 even have cycling as a sport?
Ok legal minds...can an entity such as our NIL collective REQUIRE a "Performance Bond" for an individual player that they are "awarding a contract too" based on their current criteria that the student-athlete must meet? If I'm a contractor doing work for some large scale project there's always good odds I'm required to be bonded. That includes bid bonds, performance bonds, local municipality bonds etc. If I'm awarded the work and for whatever reason flake out before, during, or after "they" can come after my bond. That's how that works. Why can't that work similarly in this case? I know these deals are supposedly not contingent on "performance on the field" but lets say in this case a kid opts to nope out before he's ever really even enrolled. The kid literally took the money and ran. That's a clear cut case of a player not holding up his end of an agreement causing unjust harm and additional expenses to the team and likely in our case we are a worse team because of it. These players are currently treated as mercenaries that go to the highest bidder and to me should be subject to some kind of bond or buyouts.
Off topic...
Seems as though these players are not treated as employees of the university and are therefore essentially private 1099 contractors subject to performance based NIL agreements regardless of what the NCAA says. However this also gets into a sticky issue with how the IRS defines what it means to be an employee. Such as if the university is providing the equipment (uniforms, gear, ppe) required to perform the job, determining your work schedule, giving you direct supervision you are indeed an employee. In this past this was ignored/allowable because of it being amateur athletics. The student athlete was not "officially" accepting money for play.
Want a pro team? Build a pro team.
Take college sports all the way back. No scholarships, no NIL, no nothing. Students go out for the team a couple of weeks before school starts. Play teams close to you. No big contracts for media rights. No big contracts for coaches. Teacher pay, with days added to contract for summer practice and Saturday games.
Student athlete.
I wonder how long before we would screw it up again.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Apr 30, 2025, 10:11 AMThe simple answer is for the language to not be in the contract. If you have no intention of enforcing all provisions of a contract, then don't put those provisions in. Simple.
There is no simple answer to the problem.
No one would fault us for going after Iamaleava, as A) he's received money, B) he obviously screwed us, and C) everyone seems to agree he and his family are turds and asshole. So in that case it probably makes sense to sue.
With James, a little known guy who probably came here initially for the scholarship alone and who likely hasn't or won't get a payoff that would cover what we're seeking, it looks like we are punching down.
I don't really disagree with you in theory. If you sign a contract you should honor it or suffer the consequences. There are just a lot more layers to it than right and wrong.
Quote from: animal on Apr 30, 2025, 12:22 PMOk legal minds...can an entity such as our NIL collective REQUIRE a "Performance Bond" for an individual player that they are "awarding a contract too" based on their current criteria that the student-athlete must meet? If I'm a contractor doing work for some large scale project there's always good odds I'm required to be bonded. That includes bid bonds, performance bonds, local municipality bonds etc. If I'm awarded the work and for whatever reason flake out before, during, or after "they" can come after my bond. That's how that works. Why can't that work similarly in this case? I know these deals are supposedly not contingent on "performance on the field" but lets say in this case a kid opts to nope out before he's ever really even enrolled. The kid literally took the money and ran. That's a clear cut case of a player not holding up his end of an agreement causing unjust harm and additional expenses to the team and likely in our case we are a worse team because of it. These players are currently treated as mercenaries that go to the highest bidder and to me should be subject to some kind of bond or buyouts.
Off topic...
Seems as though these players are not treated as employees of the university and are therefore essentially private 1099 contractors subject to performance based NIL agreements regardless of what the NCAA says. However this also gets into a sticky issue with how the IRS defines what it means to be an employee. Such as if the university is providing the equipment (uniforms, gear, ppe) required to perform the job, determining your work schedule, giving you direct supervision you are indeed an employee. In this past this was ignored/allowable because of it being amateur athletics. The student athlete was not "officially" accepting money for play.
Ultimately if you are a contractor and fail to perform on, say, a P&P bond the insurance company is coming after you individually anyway. You are going to end up making them whole. That's an interesting thought, though. I bet its possible that someone could come up with something along those lines and underwrite each kid's ability to get bonded.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Apr 30, 2025, 01:10 PMThere is no simple answer to the problem.
No one would fault us for going after Iamaleava, as A) he's received money, B) he obviously screwed us, and C) everyone seems to agree he and his family are turds and asshole. So in that case it probably makes sense to sue.
With James, a little known guy who probably came here initially for the scholarship alone and who likely hasn't or won't get a payoff that would cover what we're seeking, it looks like we are punching down.
I don't really disagree with you in theory. If you sign a contract you should honor it or suffer the consequences. There are just a lot more layers to it than right and wrong.
With James, I'd be okay with just making him pay back his room and board.
The Imaleavin family needs their ass tore up. Pour encourager les autres.
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 30, 2025, 04:29 PMWith James, I'd be okay with just making him pay back his room and board.
The Imaleavin family needs their ass tore up. Pour encourager les autres.
So uh...do they need to be taken to the back alley for that ass tearing?
Quote from: Lurk on Apr 30, 2025, 04:29 PMWith James, I'd be okay with just making him pay back his room and board.
The Imaleavin family needs their ass tore up. Pour encourager les autres.
I suspect James was only included because selectively enforcing contracts would weaken the case against Iamaleava. If that's the case they'll probably quietly settle for next to nothing just to say they pursued it.
Players are going to need "buyout" clauses in their deals. Same as there is for coaches. How long before Jimmy Sexton is the agent to these kids( if he's not already)?
Money and pussy. They ruin everything.
Well, Ohio State paid Quin Ewers a million dollars for nothing and that worked out for them eventually.
All we have to do is pick up another high 4- or 5-star QB.
UT looking to spend 35-40M in NIL this year on football. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25191766-texas-cfbs-nil-budget-reportedly-sits-between-35-40m-ahead-2025-season (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25191766-texas-cfbs-nil-budget-reportedly-sits-between-35-40m-ahead-2025-season)
Trump met with Saban
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/president-trump-reportedly-considering-executive-order-limiting-nil-after-meeting-with-nick-saban-012129625.html
Quote from: Natty_Ice on May 03, 2025, 11:34 AMTrump met with Saban
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/president-trump-reportedly-considering-executive-order-limiting-nil-after-meeting-with-nick-saban-012129625.html
I'm all in favor of getting control of NIL, but a President just saying how much somebody can make because he says so, no, I'm not in favor of that.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Apr 30, 2025, 12:07 PMQuickest way for that to happen would be for the Waltons to step up the plate and buy us a few championships. That would not be allowed to stand and rules would be changed.
Personally, I'd be fine with us making that sacrifice for the good of college sports.
I guess I could be persuaded to go your route. :D
It would be interesting to see if the Razorback Curse could bankrupt a Walton.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on May 03, 2025, 11:48 AMI'm all in favor of getting control of NIL, but a President just saying how much somebody can make because he says so, no, I'm not in favor of that.
this. and i would hope he has better things to do at the moment.
congress is the body that will have to do something. any eo trump may consider will go immediately to the courts and eventually to scotus who has already ruled on it.
Waltons just going to start a new university in Bentonville instead of going all in on little old Arkansas.
I suppose an executive order could get at funding for schools, which would be bound to resort in lawsuits and drive the issue by putting pressure on Congress and providing impetus for it to act.
Remember with Trump everything, including executive orders are not necessarily ends but means to provide negotiation leverage to get to an end.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Mar 05, 2025, 02:14 PMKeep thrusting. Eventually the goat will get off.
That's not a nice thing to call your mother.
Quote from: Zeke on May 30, 2025, 07:12 PMThat's not a nice thing to call your mother.
Your comebacks are as insightful as your football knowledge.
So are we not doing another 50-50 deal this week? Seems like we should be.
Quote from: jdcatty on Jun 02, 2025, 06:46 PMSo are we not doing another 50-50 deal this week? Seems like we should be.
That would require leadership and a plan beyond 5 days, but how about a liberty bowl t-shirt?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jun 02, 2025, 09:13 PMThat would require leadership and a plan beyond 5 days, but how about a liberty bowl t-shirt?
Of course. What was I thinking. I thought we needed money or something. Silly me.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jun 02, 2025, 09:13 PMThat would require leadership and a plan beyond 5 days, but how about a liberty bowl t-shirt?
A commemorative ceramic plate set to celebrate the raising of the latest banner?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jun 02, 2025, 06:46 PMSo are we not doing another 50-50 deal this week? Seems like we should be.
Should do it for almost any game, the world is full of degenerate gamblers
This is wild. I was not aware of this lawsuit. But, with the amount of money a college player can make now, ANY limit enacted by an NCAA rule (such as how many years he can play, or on limiting transfers) is going to be challenged in court.
Not hard to envision 10th year seniors on their 9th team, playing at age 29.
Zakai Zeigler filed a lawsuit against the NCAA regarding his eligibility back in May, pushing to play in 2025-26 after alleging that the rule permitting just four seasons of competition in a five-year window is "in an unlawful restraint of trade under federal and state antitrust laws." In the same lawsuit, he alleges his NIL valuation for the upcoming season would fall between $2 million and $4 million based on his value as an "upperclassman with a proven performance record and high visibility, especially in a high-profile conference like the SEC."
The NCAA's response? Get a job — one that doesn't include playing basketball for the Tennessee Volunteers (or anywhere in the collegiate ranks, for that matter). They denied Zeigler's motion on Monday, making it clear the lawsuit only hurts future student-athletes, particularly incoming freshmen in need of those roster spots the post-graduate players out of eligibility are trying to take.
Though Zeigler says a fifth year of eligibility would allow him to cash out on one final lucrative NIL deal in college while developing as a potential pro, the NCAA said if the Tennessee star "had a viable path to the NBA, given his resume, he would already be a viable prospect. After all, NBA scouts would have seen him play in 138 collegiate contests. ... There is no evidence that one more season of participation in college basketball is necessary (for Zeigler to play professionally)" considering he's already met the age and experience requirements to enter the draft, but passed multiple times in favor of a degree.
"While Plaintiff focuses only on what that means for himself, he does so to the detriment of the entering student-athletes who dream of being the next Zakai Zeigler,"the NCAA said. "... College athletics is a means to a better end for student-athletes — not the end itself."
Ouch.
It's not just the NCAA defending itself in the lawsuit, either, which will be heard by a U.S. District Judge on Friday. The U.S. Department of Justice has also decided to voice its opinion on Zeigler's lawsuit — a first in eligibility cases. Though it didn't explicitly take a side, the DOJ did ask the court to apply a "flexible rule-of-reason approach" when hearing the case while considering the NCAA v. Alston ruling in 2021 regarding the violation of antitrust laws.
In short, the court can decide how it chooses to decide, but the eligibility rules help maintain fairness and academic standards and following those rules can prevent schools from gaining unfair athletic advantages. It's a rule that preserves academic integrity and distinguishes them from professional sports.
"Eligibility rules — like the scholarship rules upheld in the Alston litigation — not only can enhance consumer demand—potentially leading to greater compensation—but also can enhance quality in the labor market by preserving 'the distinction between college sports and professional sports,'" the DOJ wrote. "... We ask this Court to take into account the legal principles laid out above in applying the rule of reason. Whether and to what extent specific anticompetitive effects and procompetitive benefits arise from the Four Seasons Rule in the student-athlete labor market are factual questions to be answered based on the record at the upcoming hearing, and the United States takes no position on those facts.
"We urge the court, however, to consider how the rule may benefit competition in the relevant labor market, including by potentially enhancing the quality of the student-athlete experience."
In other words, you are not special, Zakai Zeigler. You played in 138 games across four seasons, averaging 29.3 minutes per contest en route to all-time status at Tennessee. Owning the school record for assists (747) and steals (251) while sitting in fifth among games and minutes played, No. 18 in scoring at 1,556 career points, it's time to move on.
Get a job. It's time. The NCAA already thought so, and now, the U.S. Department of Justice agrees.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/u-s-department-of-justice-ncaa-to-zakai-zeigler-get-a-job/ar-AA1G5K4t?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=086b106335ea4d019ba6ff467b2c6260&ei=11
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jun 04, 2025, 04:38 PMThis is wild. I was not aware of this lawsuit. But, with the amount of money a college player can make now, ANY limit enacted by an NCAA rule (such as how many years he can play, or on limiting transfers) is going to be challenged in court.
Not hard to envision 10th year seniors on their 9th team, playing at age 29.
Zakai Zeigler filed a lawsuit against the NCAA regarding his eligibility back in May, pushing to play in 2025-26 after alleging that the rule permitting just four seasons of competition in a five-year window is "in an unlawful restraint of trade under federal and state antitrust laws." In the same lawsuit, he alleges his NIL valuation for the upcoming season would fall between $2 million and $4 million based on his value as an "upperclassman with a proven performance record and high visibility, especially in a high-profile conference like the SEC."
The NCAA's response? Get a job — one that doesn't include playing basketball for the Tennessee Volunteers (or anywhere in the collegiate ranks, for that matter). They denied Zeigler's motion on Monday, making it clear the lawsuit only hurts future student-athletes, particularly incoming freshmen in need of those roster spots the post-graduate players out of eligibility are trying to take.
Though Zeigler says a fifth year of eligibility would allow him to cash out on one final lucrative NIL deal in college while developing as a potential pro, the NCAA said if the Tennessee star "had a viable path to the NBA, given his resume, he would already be a viable prospect. After all, NBA scouts would have seen him play in 138 collegiate contests. ... There is no evidence that one more season of participation in college basketball is necessary (for Zeigler to play professionally)" considering he's already met the age and experience requirements to enter the draft, but passed multiple times in favor of a degree.
"While Plaintiff focuses only on what that means for himself, he does so to the detriment of the entering student-athletes who dream of being the next Zakai Zeigler,"the NCAA said. "... College athletics is a means to a better end for student-athletes — not the end itself."
Ouch.
It's not just the NCAA defending itself in the lawsuit, either, which will be heard by a U.S. District Judge on Friday. The U.S. Department of Justice has also decided to voice its opinion on Zeigler's lawsuit — a first in eligibility cases. Though it didn't explicitly take a side, the DOJ did ask the court to apply a "flexible rule-of-reason approach" when hearing the case while considering the NCAA v. Alston ruling in 2021 regarding the violation of antitrust laws.
In short, the court can decide how it chooses to decide, but the eligibility rules help maintain fairness and academic standards and following those rules can prevent schools from gaining unfair athletic advantages. It's a rule that preserves academic integrity and distinguishes them from professional sports.
"Eligibility rules — like the scholarship rules upheld in the Alston litigation — not only can enhance consumer demand—potentially leading to greater compensation—but also can enhance quality in the labor market by preserving 'the distinction between college sports and professional sports,'" the DOJ wrote. "... We ask this Court to take into account the legal principles laid out above in applying the rule of reason. Whether and to what extent specific anticompetitive effects and procompetitive benefits arise from the Four Seasons Rule in the student-athlete labor market are factual questions to be answered based on the record at the upcoming hearing, and the United States takes no position on those facts.
"We urge the court, however, to consider how the rule may benefit competition in the relevant labor market, including by potentially enhancing the quality of the student-athlete experience."
In other words, you are not special, Zakai Zeigler. You played in 138 games across four seasons, averaging 29.3 minutes per contest en route to all-time status at Tennessee. Owning the school record for assists (747) and steals (251) while sitting in fifth among games and minutes played, No. 18 in scoring at 1,556 career points, it's time to move on.
Get a job. It's time. The NCAA already thought so, and now, the U.S. Department of Justice agrees.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/u-s-department-of-justice-ncaa-to-zakai-zeigler-get-a-job/ar-AA1G5K4t?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=086b106335ea4d019ba6ff467b2c6260&ei=11
Why don't high school athletes have the same opportunities? What is different between college and high school? Both are four year institutions with a degree requirement.
If I were a senior, I'd flunk and keep those state titles rolling in and keep receiving that good NIL money. Plus, you could real life say that's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
Tom Mars has been preaching for a while that the NCAA has no rules at all that are enforceable, because of the NCAA's monopoly. I have seen blurbs he has written saying as much. NIL is killing college sports-- at least as we know it.
I mean we've been talking about this for years. I've been saying it on this board. The anti-trust rulings mean there are NO rules that will withstand a court challenge if the recent rulings are applied. Any attempt at rules are collusion and a restraint on trade.
The only way it gets fixed is congressional action sort of like baseball got with an anti-trust exemption or maybe a player's association and collective bargaining like the NFL.
There is no political consensus for political solution and any other solution is apt to take at least a decade or more to work itself out.
^ he's right you know.
But instead of leading the fringe of the wild West and being the bad boys of college sports, we're too busy trying to do it with integrity and shit.
I mean they are right..:if he's that good then go pro. He's trying to milk another year playing in college ball because of the money cause he probably won't ever get that good of a deal in the pros or maybe not be drafted at all. Fuck him
https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1930663432434429955
I wonder if we have/had any visitors this week? The Vols hosted one of the UVA transfers. Gonna be some crazy bidding wars before July 1.
Welcome to Corporate America sports fans!
Sucks super hard for the smaller programs that always seem to at least have really good baseball teams.
house settlement finalized.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/45467505/judge-grants-final-approval-house-v-ncaa-settlement
I'm sure this is only happening in softball and Texas Tech is the only program doing it.
NCAA rules prevent head coaches from recruiting players actively on opponents' rosters, but there aren't rules in place to prevent a third party from approaching those players. This loophole has opened the door for All-Americans to join head coach Gerry Glasco's program. The Matador Club, Texas Tech's Name, Image and Likeness collective, and coach Nathan Nelson of Hotshots Fastpitch, a travel organization based in Texas, have reportedly been heavily involved in this process.
https://www.si.com/onsi/softball/news/how-an-nil-loophole-is-transforming-texas-tech-into-a-softball-powerhouse
Also :sarcasm:
https://x.com/wintersportslaw/status/1933577286445343161?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
I simply don't know how an athletic program could ever be considered for a nonprofit setup.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 13, 2025, 04:49 PMI simply don't know how an athletic program could ever be considered for a nonprofit setup.
you mean like almost every public university's athletic program that gets 501(c) status right now?
long, but good read.
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/could-collective-bargaining-be-the-answer-for-college-sports-some-ads-are-ready-to-say-the-quiet-part-out-loud-120029195.html
Too many schools and athletes. Forget the NCAA. Unless Congress steps in, it will have to be an association of the major conferences on collective bargaining.
The most interesting part of that article is that the players are unlikely to vote for unionization and collective bargaining because they currently have everyone by the balls. The whole system will have to crumble and sports start getting cut before anything substantive happens. They have no incentive to agree to anything but the status quo at the moment.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jun 30, 2025, 11:25 AMThe most interesting part of that article is that the players are unlikely to vote for unionization and collective bargaining because they currently have everyone by the balls. The whole system will have to crumble and sports start getting cut before anything substantive happens. They have no incentive to agree to anything but the status quo at the moment.
That, or the major conferences get together and force it.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jun 30, 2025, 11:25 AMThe most interesting part of that article is that the players are unlikely to vote for unionization and collective bargaining because they currently have everyone by the balls. The whole system will have to crumble and sports start getting cut before anything substantive happens. They have no incentive to agree to anything but the status quo at the moment.
I guess I'm too much of a simpleton.
First, I'm all for sharing the wealth. Pay the players. Fantastic idea. Love it. Support it.
Make them all employees. If they don't like it, they can refuse to work. Enough of them will work though so the product on the field/court won't be severly degraded. Make them sign employment agreements with performance expectations (including educational), NDA and Non-compete clauses. They can negotiate all those things but the school can as well. Tax them just like every other working stiff. No more free rides. They pay for their education and living expenses.
If the PTB would make the expense side of the equation balance out the revenue side, the players might slow they roll a little.
Bama paying Albert Means under the table and Auburn handing out casino cards doesn't seem so bad at the moment.
Quote from: HTL on Jun 30, 2025, 02:14 PMBama paying Albert Means under the table and Auburn handing out casino cards doesn't seem so bad at the moment.
I'm okay with that too. If we are going down the road of "doing things right" then treat them just like every other working person in America. No special treatment.
I haven't followed this topic very closely because I'm in the minority that thinks college kids don't deserve a dime. Not. One. Cent. If the luxuries of being a "athlete-student" isn't fair then enlist in the Army, pay for your own schooling, or go flip burgers.
Having said that, how did we get here? I thought the premise of NIL was to give money to the kids from video games and the use of their likeness in other commercial ventures. Allow the athletes to profit during summer camps, and the like. Now kids are essentially being put on the payroll? Sharing revenues?
What a colossal goatfuck.
Quote from: obijuana on Jun 30, 2025, 07:11 PMI haven't followed this topic very closely because I'm in the minority that thinks college kids don't deserve a dime. Not. One. Cent. If the luxuries of being a "athlete-student" isn't fair then enlist in the Army, pay for your own schooling, or go flip burgers.
Having said that, how did we get here? I thought the premise of NIL was to give money to the kids from video games and the use of their likeness in other commercial ventures. Allow the athletes to profit during summer camps, and the like. Now kids are essentially being put on the payroll? Sharing revenues?
What a colossal goatfuck.
It was the camel's nose under the tent. The crack in the facade. The give em an inch they take a mile. All those things.
By saying the players can be paid in SOME way (NIL), everything became NIL. Doesn't matter if anyone was actually getting paid for their Name, Image, or Likeness. They were just getting paid to play and it was labeled "NIL". A complete fiction but if you leave the door open a crack, you get what you're going to get.
Quote from: obijuana on Jun 30, 2025, 07:11 PMI haven't followed this topic very closely because I'm in the minority that thinks college kids don't deserve a dime. Not. One. Cent. If the luxuries of being a "athlete-student" isn't fair then enlist in the Army, pay for your own schooling, or go flip burgers.
Having said that, how did we get here? I thought the premise of NIL was to give money to the kids from video games and the use of their likeness in other commercial ventures. Allow the athletes to profit during summer camps, and the like. Now kids are essentially being put on the payroll? Sharing revenues?
What a colossal goatfuck.
I think youve been under a rock. Do you work for nothing? Let's get past this silly ruse of amateur student athaletes; that's been dead for decades.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 30, 2025, 01:20 PMI guess I'm too much of a simpleton.
First, I'm all for sharing the wealth. Pay the players. Fantastic idea. Love it. Support it.
Make them all employees. If they don't like it, they can refuse to work. Enough of them will work though so the product on the field/court won't be severly degraded. Make them sign employment agreements with performance expectations (including educational), NDA and Non-compete clauses. They can negotiate all those things but the school can as well. Tax them just like every other working stiff. No more free rides. They pay for their education and living expenses.
If the PTB would make the expense side of the equation balance out the revenue side, the players might slow they roll a little.
I'm in agreement for the most part but I'm more concerned with the portal than the money. I want to see a standardized conference or ncaa contract with a specific term like the nfl.
I disagree on an educational requirement. These are pro athletes, hired guns. Let's get rid of the bullshit of student athletes, the fake grades in high school, the crib claases in college. Fuck it. You want to go to school fine, or don't. Make em 1099 contractors and consider it all marketing expense. Be honest do you care if our new freshman RB can't read at a 3rd grade level? I do not.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jun 30, 2025, 11:30 PMI'm in agreement for the most part but I'm more concerned with the portal than the money. I want to see a standardized conference or ncaa contract with a specific term like the nfl.
I disagree on an educational requirement. These are pro athletes, hired guns. Let's get rid of the bullshit of student athletes, the fake grades in high school, the crib claases in college. Fuck it. You want to go to school fine, or don't. Make em 1099 contractors and consider it all marketing expense. Be honest do you care if our new freshman RB can't read at a 3rd grade level? I do not.
I'm fine with that. Divorce athletics from the universities all together. Make the athletic department its own for-profit business entity. Tax it just like you would a K-Mart. Everyone should pay their fair share. If "Idaho Vandals LLC" can't turn a profit then they lay off their employees and go out of business.
NIL is one issue, but its outside of the athletic dept, and its state/federal laws that regulate it, for the most part(in theory). I'm more intrigued by how public universities are going to handle revenue sharing moving forward. In particular, how will revenue be allocated, and whether Title 9 plays any role. If the UA is going to share athletic dept revenue, shouldn't it go to the programs/sports that actually generate revenue? And how do you determine how much revenue a sport generates? If they can't come up with a number, and you use some arbitrary percentages, could any athlete under the umbrella of UA athletics claim an equal share? Will a men's 3rd string javelin thrower or women's golfer get the same as the starting QB?
title IX does not address 'equal pay', never has. it's an anti-discrimination statute and the judge dismissed the objections some had because of title IX for that reason. if that weren't the case, there would be violations everywhere regardless of the house settlement. there is an appeal going forward.
as far as how it will be distributed among different programs and players, right now, that will be up to the universities. best estimates are power 5 conferences will pay around 70% towards football.
Arkansas has not (and will not release) its revenue sharing distrubution formula, but it is expected to be:
- 70% (approx $16 million) for football
- 20% ($4 million) for mens basketball
- 10% ($2 million) for baseball
Then each program determines how it will split up their share.
Other sports will not be receiving any portion of revenue sharing, but any athlete can receive NIL. However any NIL deal will have to be approved by the NIL clearinghouse who will determine if the deal falls within "market-value" range for each athlete/deal.
Let the lawsuits begin.
Quote from: Cardiac Hog on Jul 01, 2025, 11:42 AMArkansas has not (and will not release) its revenue sharing distrubution formula, but it is expected to be:
- 70% (approx $16 million) for football
- 20% ($4 million) for mens basketball
- 10% ($2 million) for baseball
Then each program determines how it will split up their share.
Other sports will not be receiving any portion of revenue sharing, but any athlete can receive NIL. However any NIL deal will have to be approved by the NIL clearinghouse who will determine if the deal falls within "market-value" range for each athlete/deal.
Let the lawsuits begin.
So, we are going to be wasting 70% on football?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Jul 01, 2025, 11:43 AMSo, we are going to be wasting 70% on football?
Sadly
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jul 01, 2025, 12:09 PMSadly
That is supposedly less than most real football programs are spending. Most think the football powers will use 75% for that sport.
Most of the baseball allocations I've seen were 5% or less, so maybe we're going to try to be one of the big spenders there, which is a good thing.
We really have three choices.
One is to fire Pittman, replace him with someone with the chance to be competent, and then go all in with the rev share...something like 80-85%. Prove once and for all whether money or coaching is our biggest problem.
Or we could continue to underfund football relative to the other sports, while boosting men's basketball and baseball to a level higher than our peers. This is my preferred option as of right now, and what we appear to be doing if reports are true.
Finally we could just do what everyone else is going, and half ass our way through to mediocrity in all three sports with any following at all. Knowing Arkansas athletics and watching Yurachek repeatedly make boneheaded decisions, I suspect this is the most likely outcome.
getting to omaha and a sweet sixteen is mediocrity?
Quote from: vegashog on Jul 01, 2025, 12:23 PMgetting to omaha and a sweet sixteen is mediocrity?
Read it again. Particularly the next to last paragraph.
Big East revenue sharing should be interesting because they can put all their funds into their basketball programs.
This site makes very different estimates. But the 25% "unallocated" is doing a lot of work. And I don't know if this is just a private person making guesses, or what.
https://nil-ncaa.com/estimates-sec/
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Quote from: vegashog on Jul 01, 2025, 12:23 PMgetting to omaha and a sweet sixteen is mediocrity?
We're number 16!
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jul 01, 2025, 12:45 PMThis site makes very different estimates. But the 25% "unallocated" is doing a lot of work. And I don't know if this is just a private person making guesses, or what.
https://nil-ncaa.com/estimates-sec/
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Looking at the avg per player
I am surprised we are spending more on gymkata than either track or golf team or soccer which have had more success.
Not sure I would spend more on women's basketball than softball or soccer right now.
from what i've read, those figures are based on last year's revenue.
also i think (kinda hard to understand exactly what he meant) the new gm said arkansas won't be releasing their revenue sharing model.
I think that table is just a computer calculation of what sharing would look like if schools used the following formula
% Allocation = % sports spedific revenue + non-sports-specific revenue x % sports-specific revenue
But that is not how each school will necessarily allocate the revenue share funds. Most sports will not receive any revenue share.
Quote from: vegashog on Jul 01, 2025, 12:23 PMgetting to omaha and a sweet sixteen is mediocrity?
Not the thread for this but...
For frick's sake, don't have an epic collapse in basketball and make one less than the three epic frick ups in baseball and it could have been a hell of a year.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Jul 01, 2025, 07:20 PMNot the thread for this but...
For frick's sake, don't have an epic collapse in basketball and make one less than the three epic frick ups in baseball and it could have been a hell of a year.
Every time Razorback sports starts drawing me back in, posts like this save me from the heart break of watching them again. :D
I didn't have to witness this years version of the Fail Ninja, thank goodness.
Quote from: Texzilla on Jun 30, 2025, 11:20 PMI think youve been under a rock. Do you work for nothing? Let's get past this silly ruse of amateur student athaletes; that's been dead for decades.
Who said anything about student-athletes? I said athlete-students. Huge difference YUGE.
And these kids don't work. A person works when they have a job. You mean to tell me that kids won't go to college, for free, and accept everything that comes with it, for free, if they aren't paid a piece of the revenue? You make it sound like kids will opt for Taco Bell instead of going to college. I highly doubt it.
Fuck these kids.
Quote from: obijuana on Jul 01, 2025, 08:29 PMWho said anything about student-athletes? I said athlete-students. Huge difference YUGE.
And these kids don't work. A person works when they have a job. You mean to tell me that kids won't go to college, for free, and accept everything that comes with it, for free, if they aren't paid a piece of the revenue? You make it sound like kids will opt for Taco Bell instead of going to college. I highly doubt it.
Fuck these kids.
I was in the same boat as you. But then head coaches salaries exploded, and staff salaries exploded, and University revenues exploded with TV contracts. Then coaches started leaving jobs for more money overnight after kids committed to them the week before. A coach left for greener pasture, the schools worked out the buyout money. An athlete left for greener pasture, "welcome to the sideline, son."
The pot got bigger and sweeter for everyone except the student athlete, who was always getting that same 4 year degree...sometimes.
Quote from: TC on Jul 01, 2025, 10:19 PMI was in the same boat as you. But then head coaches salaries exploded, and staff salaries exploded, and University revenues exploded with TV contracts. Then coaches started leaving jobs for more money overnight after kids committed to them the week before. A coach left for greener pasture, the schools worked out the buyout money. An athlete left for greener pasture, "welcome to the sideline, son."
The pot got bigger and sweeter for everyone except the student athlete, who was always getting that same 4 year degree...sometimes.
Well said, bravo
Quote from: obijuana on Jul 01, 2025, 08:29 PMWho said anything about student-athletes? I said athlete-students. Huge difference YUGE.
And these kids don't work. A person works when they have a job. You mean to tell me that kids won't go to college, for free, and accept everything that comes with it, for free, if they aren't paid a piece of the revenue? You make it sound like kids will opt for Taco Bell instead of going to college. I highly doubt it.
Fuck these kids.
You have to keep the meals free, but I'd damn sure make sure they pay for everything else. Just like the kid working his way through school has to. Your housing, books, tuition and special tutoring and taxes comes out of your pay. Several have made the point that they're employees, treat them like you would a maintenance worker on campus.
Comments have some valid points. You would think he would be smarter than to have posted this.
https://x.com/hunteryurachek/status/1943812528624034281?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
i think he's making a pretty good point. what exactly is wrong with it?
and the comments from a bunch of people who hate him anyway doesn't mean shit in the context of the tweet.
5 of the first 6 responses are pure retard.
The lawyers are like the doctors transition kids. "Who cares of they are actually suffering from Gender Dysphoria ir not?" "As long I get paid and get more clients who cares?"
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jul 13, 2025, 05:26 PMComments have some valid points. You would think he would be smarter than to have posted this.
https://x.com/hunteryurachek/status/1943812528624034281?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
isn't this the same fucker who profits off all the sports the university doesn't fund by selling hockey jerseys but won't spend a dime on the team?
It is disappointing to me that a person bitching about lawyers getting a piece of the house settlement pie has been made a millionaire working as an athletic director, a position I believe that for the last 4 years is one that has the ability to address and provide solutions to and for the house situation via that job and possible sec and ncaa committees and sub committees.
This is the same administrator who spoke out on coaching buyouts and firing coaches as cause then awarded his football coach a new contract with an increased buyout.
The judge set the lawyer fees but is that worse then the administrator who agrees to a contract that will pay millions to fire an employee (I.e. coach) who is unsuccessful at their job?
Not to mention the increased cost of tickets and constant pleas for money/donations, and the raffle kurfuffle.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jul 13, 2025, 05:26 PMComments have some valid points. You would think he would be smarter than to have posted this.
https://x.com/hunteryurachek/status/1943812528624034281?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Read the comments. Uracheck is getting roasted.
Quote from: dhog on Jul 14, 2025, 04:18 PMRead the comments. Uracheck is getting roasted.
Holy shit, talk about a beat down.
And no demands for a Nolan statue. We're going to have to lose to Arkansas State to get that movement going again.
He may be wrong, I don't know, but there is a lot of intelligence shinning through in the comments. ::)
Whatever would we hope to accomplish without Edge?
https://x.com/jakotasain/status/1947357479421071487
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jul 21, 2025, 04:30 PMWhatever would we hope to accomplish without Edge?
https://x.com/jakotasain/status/1947357479421071487
I wonder if Stealurcheck's son recently stopped working for either of those outfits.
the college sports commission is rejecting nil deals that aren't for "valid business purpose" and are in fact blatant slush fund payments. the irs is snooping around and looking at the legitimacy of their non profit status.
some collectives have already shut down and the others are going to have to adjust around the commission. becoming marketing agencies or incorporating into the university like kentucky did recently.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jul 21, 2025, 04:30 PMWhatever would we hope to accomplish without Edge?
https://x.com/jakotasain/status/1947357479421071487
"no longer apart"? So, they are now together?
Moved it.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jul 21, 2025, 04:30 PMWhatever would we hope to accomplish without Edge?
https://x.com/jakotasain/status/1947357479421071487
They pushed out an email today....and the spare change round up
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Insane
https://x.com/on3nil/status/1953823793941463110?s=46&t=6uNMWI6PFOkxijXNhEuvSA
Watching Youtube in the last few days and one of those videos where a guy stops random people and asks them about their bank accounts came up. He stopped a 22 year old kid and asked him how much he had in his bank account and the kid said "$17,000". The kid then said he was a D1 basketball player at the University of San Francisco. When asked how much he made a year he said, "Some years upwards of $500k."
If a pretty normal looking white kid is making $500k a year playing basketball at University of San Francisco, this NIL stuff is waaaaay out of hand. You need big bucks to compete.
Yeah, there's no fucking way that's true unless he's also working in VC on the side lol. I talked with a kid at Auburn that got something like an initial first year offer to transfer of $150k. Was a backup defensive lineman and didn't do much so they slashed him second year to $50. And that's SEC ball half of their fans would pay a player before paying their own mortgage. I figure the small schools is little to none outside a select few.
I'm skeptical of the $500k report too, on the other hand I know a guy with a kid good enough to walk-on a basketball team at a bigger school in the past. He is staying home snd going to a smaller school because in the words of his dad, "Even the walk-ons are getting like a $100k a year at places like TCU."
So he is going to play at a smaller school and hopefully do well enough to get a payday or two as a junior or senior at a bigger place.
When I was buying the exes Mercedes, sales guy told me we had a kid on the football team named worthy or worth that just bought a new gla with cash.
That's $50k for a non starting safety at the u of a to spend on a car.
It is insane.
There's not been a bigger bubble than current college athletics since the 17th century Dutch Republic.
Quote from: BASS on Aug 08, 2025, 11:53 AMWhen I was buying the exes Mercedes, sales guy told me we had a kid on the football team named worthy or worth that just bought a new gla with cash.
That's $50k for a non starting safety at the u of a to spend on a car.
It is insane.
I have no problem if a business wants to pay a kid to do ads. It was meant for the stars though not some second string OL to make hundreds of thousands.
More of a portal issue, but this is so ignorant. Why is this allowed? Check out this paragraph from the following article:
https://www.si.com/college/purdue/football/barry-odom-provides-update-on-purdue-quarterback-situation-entering-2025-season-malachi-singleton-bennett-meredith-ryan-brown-bennett-meredith
During that spring period, Purdue returned only Bennett Meredith from last year's roster, while also bringing in Malachi Singleton (Arkansas), Evans Chuba (Washington State), and EJ Colson (UCF) via the transfer portal. Then, after spring ball concluded, the Boilermakers lost Colson to the transfer portal, but were able to land Ryan Browne, who transferred out of Purdue and spent the spring season at North Carolina.
the spring portal for football is such a terrible idea.
they need to get rid of it as fast as they can.
https://x.com/angiemachado1/status/1973174888077861351?
Once again, it seems like HY got scammed.
From down in the comments:
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2025/blueprint-sports-consulting-rev-share-oregon-state-1234872423/
why it makes no sense to give to college athletics. Waste of your money and makes non athletes rich.
Quote from: jdcatty on Oct 01, 2025, 09:44 PMhttps://x.com/angiemachado1/status/1973174888077861351?
Once again, it seems like HY got scammed.
is our contract the same? Why in the fuck would you give anything over $750k to this third party vendor. This is maddening and if our contract is this bad HY should be fired immediately
biddy says the terms of our deal with them aren't close to being the same.
also edge appears to be dissolving soon and something and someone will be taking it's place.
https://share.google/qCRtKTQvQrmy7iaBo
https://x.com/HiddenTalent870/status/1974140648480780435
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Oct 03, 2025, 02:33 PMhttps://x.com/HiddenTalent870/status/1974140648480780435
I think we could do pretty well selling black bear licenses right now.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Oct 03, 2025, 02:33 PMhttps://x.com/HiddenTalent870/status/1974140648480780435
This is a very good idea.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Oct 03, 2025, 03:06 PMThis is a very good idea.
someone forward this to HY
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Oct 03, 2025, 02:33 PMhttps://x.com/HiddenTalent870/status/1974140648480780435
You could also charge all these texass kids overcrowding the school a few extra bucks.
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 03, 2025, 03:31 PMYou could also charge all these texass kids overcrowding the school a few extra bucks.
why are we still waiving out of state for them. We can't even house all the freshmen. Put a tax on them
Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 03, 2025, 03:31 PMYou could also charge all these texass kids overcrowding the school a few extra bucks.
Maybe we could charge only the out of state kids an athletic fee.
@BleedinRed
https://x.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1975295416448262160?t=MEagtLXQ_Y30XKEzMLzBzg&s=19 (https://x.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1975295416448262160?t=MEagtLXQ_Y30XKEzMLzBzg&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Oct 06, 2025, 03:24 PMhttps://x.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1975295416448262160?t=MEagtLXQ_Y30XKEzMLzBzg&s=19 (https://x.com/CurtWilkerson_/status/1975295416448262160?t=MEagtLXQ_Y30XKEzMLzBzg&s=19)
praise Jesus. Now who are we working with?
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Oct 06, 2025, 03:31 PMpraise Jesus. Now who are we working with?
Probably someone else that will see HY coming a mile away
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Oct 06, 2025, 03:31 PMpraise Jesus. Now who are we working with?
It's a newer firm - Chekyura & Sons LTD
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 03, 2025, 06:59 PMMaybe we could charge only the out of state kids an athletic fee. @BleedinRed
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Quote from: Third_down_draw on Oct 06, 2025, 03:47 PMIt's a newer firm - Chekyura & Sons LTD
I figured it would be someone his kid worked for. The name is even close.
I got a text today from CS Research, whoever that is. It asked me to take a survey regarding the state of the Razorback football program and NIL. I never participate in those, but today I did. I kept waiting for them to ask me to donate. They never did. There were two pages of questions and I won't bore you with them, but a couple of them stood out.
(1) Would it be a positive development if a corporation or an individual contributed a large amount of money to NIL on behalf of Razorback football? .........I checked "Strongly Agree."
(2) Do you agree that a highly successful Razorback football program benefits the rest of the university and the Arkansas economy in general?............ Again I checked "Strongly Agree."
Not sure what to make of it, but I'm holding out hope that Walmart or somebody like that is considering getting involved in Razorback football to a major degree. A man can hope.
How exactly does a strong Arkansas football program benefit the University? The significant number of kids are not picking Arkansas for the sports program. And the place is already at near capacity when you look at resources.
I can see how it contributes to the local economy in Fayetteville but not sure I see how it benefits the state wide economy in any significant way.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 23, 2025, 04:51 AMHow exactly does a strong Arkansas football program benefit the University? The significant number of kids are not picking Arkansas for the sports program. And the place is already at near capacity when you look at resources.
I can see how it contributes to the local economy in Fayetteville but not sure I see how it benefits the state wide economy in any significant way.
Ask Alabama. Their applications and admissions supposedly went up pretty strongly during the Saban years. Whether that's incidental to other factors or a primary driver, I don't know.
You and I have smart kids who chose their schools for prudent reasons. It is my experience that ours are the exception rather than the rule.
The football program is the most publicized area of most state universities who have one. Being good at it gets positive press. Finger painting with your own feces the way we have since 4/1/12 does just the opposite. It's not exactly free press, but close to it as they're going to cover us more and more positively when we're good than otherwise for roughly the same expenditure.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 23, 2025, 08:04 AMAsk Alabama. Their applications and admissions supposedly went up pretty strongly during the Saban years. Whether that's incidental to other factors or a primary driver, I don't know.
You and I have smart kids who chose their schools for prudent reasons. It is my experience that ours are the exception rather than the rule.
The football program is the most publicized area of most state universities who have one. Being good at it gets positive press. Finger painting with your own feces the way we have since 4/1/12 does just the opposite. It's not exactly free press, but close to it as they're going to cover us more and more positively when we're good than otherwise for roughly the same expenditure.
I am strongly encouraging my oldest (High School Junior) to select an institution that best benefits his future goals. That said, a strong athletic program be it football, basketball or baseball can certainly be attractive for the college "experience". That likely won't be a factor for him but I can understand how it is for some prospective students in selecting their college.
5 years ago I didn't know any kids at Ole Miss. Today I know about a dozen.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Oct 23, 2025, 08:04 AMAsk Alabama. Their applications and admissions supposedly went up pretty strongly during the Saban years. Whether that's incidental to other factors or a primary driver, I don't know.
You and I have smart kids who chose their schools for prudent reasons. It is my experience that ours are the exception rather than the rule.
The football program is the most publicized area of most state universities who have one. Being good at it gets positive press. Finger painting with your own feces the way we have since 4/1/12 does just the opposite. It's not exactly free press, but close to it as they're going to cover us more and more positively when we're good than otherwise for roughly the same expenditure.
Tons of Texans went there during that period. Part of is the SEC frat/sorority scene (like OM and UA) but definitely Bama was on the radar because of football and it's a bit less trendy now.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Oct 03, 2025, 03:06 PMThis is a very good idea.
Never work politically. Would take state legislature approval (as in passing one or more statutes) and every college from Hendrix & Lyon would want in. The state reps from those areas would have to "insist" upon inclusion of their little college into a piece of the pie.
Some clues of why Vitello jumped from Tennessee to the majors. Other than getting to manage in the major leagues of course.
"It's a disaster," Vitello told Taylor Lewan and Will Compton regarding NIL and college sports. "We all have thoughts that you dream a little bigger. I kind of have this weird fantasy or vision of, okay, can college and MLB merge together a little bit and help each other? I certainly shouldn't be the patron of either. But I can connect the right people and get this thing where it's a little more fluid. But the one part MLB can't affect is where NCAA sports are in general."
Vitello concluded that NIL has contributed to what he remembers as a chaotic environment.
"It's just a mess. ... It's like you're driving in the fog and you can't really see but about 100 or 200 feet in front of you. You're grasping for what's real, what you can do, what you can't do. I'm sure someone will throw out that I did something wrong or I didn't do this. But overall, it's very frustrating when you don't know the rules to the game."
While walking through the disparity between college baseball programs, Tony Vitello also suggested that the NIL era is counterproductive to the push to have schools compete on an even playing field.
"That's the whole point of athletics or competition is, let's find out who can do it better. But when you really don't know what the rules of the game are or they're so lopsided in favor of Tennessee over Middle Tennessee State, it's kind of hard to have that nose-to-nose competition."
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 07, 2025, 11:10 AMSome clues of why Vitello jumped from Tennessee to the majors. Other than getting to manage in the major leagues of course.
"It's a disaster," Vitello told Taylor Lewan and Will Compton regarding NIL and college sports. "We all have thoughts that you dream a little bigger. I kind of have this weird fantasy or vision of, okay, can college and MLB merge together a little bit and help each other? I certainly shouldn't be the patron of either. But I can connect the right people and get this thing where it's a little more fluid. But the one part MLB can't affect is where NCAA sports are in general."
Vitello concluded that NIL has contributed to what he remembers as a chaotic environment.
"It's just a mess. ... It's like you're driving in the fog and you can't really see but about 100 or 200 feet in front of you. You're grasping for what's real, what you can do, what you can't do. I'm sure someone will throw out that I did something wrong or I didn't do this. But overall, it's very frustrating when you don't know the rules to the game."
While walking through the disparity between college baseball programs, Tony Vitello also suggested that the NIL era is counterproductive to the push to have schools compete on an even playing field.
"That's the whole point of athletics or competition is, let's find out who can do it better. But when you really don't know what the rules of the game are or they're so lopsided in favor of Tennessee over Middle Tennessee State, it's kind of hard to have that nose-to-nose competition."
Putting a bug in Hunter's ear for when DVH retires in case the whole MLB thing doesn't work out.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 07, 2025, 11:11 AMPutting a bug in Hunter's ear for when DVH retires in case the whole MLB thing doesn't work out.
He'll go to his alma mater and Mizzou will become yet another school that gets one before us.
Quote from: HTL on Nov 07, 2025, 11:18 AMHe'll go to his alma mater and Mizzou will become yet another school that gets one before us.
Doubtful. Can't see them ever giving enough of a shit about baseball to spend what that would cost.
Plus I imagine he's a little pissed that they passed him over in 2017 for some dude named Steve Bieser.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 07, 2025, 11:29 AMDoubtful. Can't see them ever giving enough of a shit about baseball to spend what that would cost.
Plus I imagine he's a little pissed that they passed him over in 2017 for some dude named Steve Bieser.
You know how the movie plays out.
Texas Tech has a $28m annual NIL spend and isn't in the top ten nationally? Fuck...
Quote from: Cornhogio on Nov 08, 2025, 12:01 PMTexas Tech has a $28m annual NIL spend and isn't in the top ten nationally? Fuck...
They spent $7 mil just on D-line... saw an article about it. It's dominant.
Maybe we ought to, IDK, look at what Tech is doing because in terms of NIL and roster building they're outdoing Aggies and UT.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 08, 2025, 04:56 PMThey spent $7 mil just on D-line... saw an article about it. It's dominant.
Maybe we ought to, IDK, look at what Tech is doing because in terms of NIL and roster building they're outdoing Aggies and UT.
Noble concept. Getting better players gets more wins.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 08, 2025, 04:56 PMMaybe we ought to, IDK, look at what Tech is doing because in terms of NIL and roster building they're outdoing Aggies and UT.
True but hey, the 8th year AD told the BOT he's working on the plan!
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 08, 2025, 04:56 PMThey spent $7 mil just on D-line... saw an article about it. It's dominant.
Maybe we ought to, IDK, look at what Tech is doing because in terms of NIL and roster building they're outdoing Aggies and UT.
I get the feeling people up there are still worried about what it would look like.
Also maybe just maybe people with money don't want to throw away money on a absolutely terrible investment
It's a terrible investment win or lose. A TT billionaire booster decided he wanted to chip in after watching us throttle them in the Liberty Bowl last year.
I do think this will kill off in time but who knows how long. These guys putting up millions have expectations. They have the leverage. When things go south and they don't get their way (and it will happen everywhere at some point), they will take their ball and go home.
Quote from: animal on Nov 09, 2025, 07:10 AMAlso maybe just maybe people with money don't want to throw away money on a absolutely terrible investment
This shit makes racehorses look good.
Quote from: egregious on Nov 09, 2025, 05:55 PMThis shit makes racehorses look good.
How long before NIL includes breeding rights for the athletes?
Kidding...I think.
At least in horse racing there is the outside chance that you get a Derby winner and get to draw 7-8 figure stud fees off of him for 20 years.
I just don't see how it is sustainable. It's new. It's cool if you like to swing your dick around, but at some point you'd think common sense comes into play.
I'm probably the biggest NIL advocator (for us) on this board just because it's the first time we have a solution to overcome disadvantages we inherently have. But, it's ludicrous to ask your fans to buy your players. That's essentially what is taking place.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 09, 2025, 08:06 PMI just don't see how it is sustainable.
I agree. The super rich boosters will eventually get tired of throwing so much money away with no return.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 09, 2025, 08:06 PMI just don't see how it is sustainable. It's new. It's cool if you like to swing your dick around, but at some point you'd think common sense comes into play.
I'm probably the biggest NIL advocator (for us) on this board just because it's the first time we have a solution to overcome disadvantages we inherently have. But, it's ludicrous to ask your fans to buy your players. That's essentially what is taking place.
Just fix the portal and nil will fix itself. Everybody is trying to buy prominence right now, but it's definitely not sustainable.
Which brings up a different question, do you pool up your nil money and save up for championship run every 4 years or so? Past championship contenders had upperclass linemen that had been in the program for a while. That's no longer feasible unless they change the transfer rule. Buying linemen and QBs will win a championship, but you're going to need a big budget for a couple of years at least to keep your best players from being poached and to buy what you need for that second year.
Agree limiting transfers fixes a lot of it. Transfer once, fine. Transfer again, you got to sit out. Put in conditions to allow another transfer if a coach leaves. That's it. No other conditions considered.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 09, 2025, 08:54 PMAgree limiting transfers fixes a lot of it. Transfer once, fine. Transfer again, you got to sit out. Put in conditions to allow another transfer if a coach leaves. That's it. No other conditions considered.
Exactly.
We have the worst of both worlds right now. Players getting paid but essentially everyone is on a one year contract.
What is the status on that kid that got NIL money to come to arkansas and then switched and went somewhere in CA? Wasn't the university suing his ass because he didn't return the money?
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 10, 2025, 08:46 AMWhat is the status on that kid that got NIL money to come to arkansas and then switched and went somewhere in CA? Wasn't the university suing his ass because he didn't return the money?
Wasn't that Nico Iamaleava's brother?
Quote from: Feral on Nov 10, 2025, 10:18 AMWasn't that Nico Iamaleava's brother?
I don't remember the name but if I remember correctly his bother also did the same thing...committed, got NIL money and then went somewhere else
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 10, 2025, 10:23 AMI don't remember the name but if I remember correctly his bother also did the same thing...committed, got NIL money and then went somewhere else
His brother, Nico Iamaleava, left Tennessee because of NIL dispute. He wanted more, but Tenn said no.He got paid less at UCLA anyway. He didn't technically take the money and run like his brother did at Arkansas, but left due to NIL.
This is what we've come to. A coach in a presser pleading for NIL donations feom local businesses.
https://x.com/Blakes_Take2/status/1990507823219028066?t=N_SYcKwMWoKp-D-AvrY8Ng&s=19 (https://x.com/Blakes_Take2/status/1990507823219028066?t=N_SYcKwMWoKp-D-AvrY8Ng&s=19)
That's a coach who gets it and wants to win. Meanwhile at Arkansas our AD cries about it at Touchdown Club meetings.
https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1990525429862760462?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ (https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1990525429862760462?s=46&t=Z4r2QIiNNsZM5Lty4ufQXQ)
Lfg
NIL Menu:
Frank Broyles' Catfish Fillets ?
Houston Macademia Nutt encrusted Tilapia?
The Bielema Breakfast Bomb (Cold leftover chicken and a beer with a Tito's chaser)
The Chad- Liver and Cabbage cooked table side.
The Kenny Hatfield- Dry White toast and water
that's a coach that won't stay at asu very much longer because their fan base just doesn't care. and why isn't the job their ad is doing mentioned if it's the coach that has to try to get out in front of it?
matt campbell gives a million a year pay cut so that money goes to their pitiful nil. what does that say about their ad?
not defending anyone here, but all anyone can do is beg, at the end of the day it's up to people to actually give money.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 18, 2025, 09:34 AMNIL Menu:
Frank Broyles' Catfish Fillets ?
Houston Macademia Nutt encrusted Tilapia?
The Bielema Breakfast Bomb (Cold leftover chicken and a beer with a Tito's chaser)
The Chad- Liver and Cabbage cooked table side.
The Kenny Hatfield- Dry White toast and water
The Chad has to be raw bacon served at room temp with a maggot reduction.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 18, 2025, 09:34 AMNIL Menu:
Frank Broyles' Catfish Fillets ?
Houston Macademia Nutt encrusted Tilapia?
The Bielema Breakfast Bomb (Cold leftover chicken and a beer with a Tito's chaser)
The Chad- Liver and Cabbage cooked table side.
The Kenny Hatfield- Dry White toast and water
Sam Pittman Blue Plate Special
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 18, 2025, 09:41 AMSam Pittman Blue Plate Special
pan fried bologna, cream corn, and lima beans
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 18, 2025, 09:41 AMSam Pittman Blue Plate Special
Take home hungry man tv dinner, we're too lazy to cook it for you
Don't forget the Coors Light.
Quote from: BASS on Nov 18, 2025, 09:47 AMpan fried bologna, cream corn, and lima beans
Quote from: Ray Zorback on Nov 18, 2025, 09:50 AMTake home hungry man tv dinner, we're too lazy to cook it for you
Both are spot on.
Imagine 10 years ago someone told you that soon you will have coaches in press conferences begging local businesses to pay for player salaries.
I applaud the hustle. I hate what it has become.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 18, 2025, 09:18 AMThat's a coach who gets it and wants to win. Meanwhile at Arkansas our AD cries about it at Touchdown Club meetings.
It's untenable. Begging your fans for charity to support a sports team means over the years, if this goes on, the fan base will dwindle significantly.
It's untenable.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 18, 2025, 10:24 AMIt's untenable. Begging your fans for charity to support a sports team means over the years, if this goes on, the fan base will dwindle significantly.
It's untenable.
Lots of things are untenable. You can either get on board while it is still happening, or you can cry about it and get left behind.
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 18, 2025, 10:29 AMLots of things are untenable. You can either get on board while it is still happening, or you can cry about it and get left behind.
Or you can "nope out" as the kids say. No crying necessary.
Arizona State's QB is shopping around and unlikely to return.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 18, 2025, 10:31 AMOr you can "nope out" as the kids say. No crying necessary.
Well, let's shut it down then.
I hate the way NIL has played out, but it's the first time we have something that could overcome the inherent disadvantages our program faces. If those with money care about the program like they say and want to be the one that makes a difference, now is the time to do it. Yet we are here sitting on our hands.
Hunter killed the fan collective, so now there is no way for Joe Sixpack to suppert NIL. HY doesn't want your $50/month. How he still has a job after all of his public comments is baffling!
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 18, 2025, 09:34 AMNIL Menu:
Frank Broyles' Catfish Fillets ?
Houston Macademia Nutt encrusted Tilapia?
The Bielema Breakfast Bomb (Cold leftover chicken and a beer with a Tito's chaser)
The Chad- Liver and Cabbage cooked table side.
The Kenny Hatfield- Dry White toast and water
All good, but that's my favorite. The smell literally hit me. ;)
Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 18, 2025, 10:45 AMWell, let's shut it down then.
That's where I am. If this is the model, let's shut it down.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 18, 2025, 09:34 AMNIL Menu:
Frank Broyles' Catfish Fillets ?
Houston Macademia Nutt encrusted Tilapia?
The Bielema Breakfast Bomb (Cold leftover chicken and a beer with a Tito's chaser)
The Chad- Liver and Cabbage cooked table side.
The Kenny Hatfield- Dry White toast and water
BMFP v1: Road rash hash, a hot blind on the side.
Lou Holtz: can't run the veer Nutt crunch pie
Houston Nutt All You can Eat Crab Pinchers
Quote from: HogOfWar on Nov 18, 2025, 01:44 PMHouston Nutt All You can Eat Crab Pinchers
Hustle.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 18, 2025, 09:34 AMNIL Menu:
Frank Broyles' Catfish Fillets ?
Houston Macademia Nutt encrusted Tilapia?
The Bielema Breakfast Bomb (Cold leftover chicken and a beer with a Tito's chaser)
The Chad- Liver and Cabbage cooked table side.
The Kenny Hatfield- Dry White toast and water
The John L. Smith- Wax Lips with a Hot Piss chaser.
Quote from: FNG on Nov 18, 2025, 08:21 PMThe John L. Smith- Wax Lips with a Hot Piss chaser.
Hot piss chaser. That's brilliant.
We don't need no stinking Wal Mart money!!!
https://x.com/thecusacentel/status/1991145578768568603
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 19, 2025, 01:19 PMWe don't need no stinking Wal Mart money!!!
https://x.com/thecusacentel/status/1991145578768568603
Sure the money would be rejected. Like a church would reject 10% of a huge lottery you just won, even though gambling is evil.
Quote from: Son of Spam on Nov 19, 2025, 01:23 PMSure the money would be rejected. Like a church would reject 10% of a huge lottery you just won, even though gambling is evil.
Or $180K from an anonymous donor which happens to be the amount to pay off taxes and steers the preacher's laptop stealing son to Auburn.
Quote from: Spiderham on Nov 19, 2025, 01:19 PMWe don't need no stinking Wal Mart money!!!
https://x.com/thecusacentel/status/1991145578768568603
Maybe we need to fire up Mena again.
It can't be that hard to set up a NIL collective where there's not dozens of hands dipping into the cookie jar before any of the money ever even reaches the player's hands. So far if it can be fucked up it is and we keep hiring zit faced kids to "lead the effort" who are undoubtedly competing against seasoned legal professionals (agent types) and other veteran fundraisers. The types of organizations that handle things like this to include "search firms" are people that don't want to put in the work or are in over their head. We're looking at you HY. Not being set up to compete is exactly the problem though and that's why we need to pivot back to the state.
The state needs to get it's shit together from a legal perspective and change some of our old laws that are supposedly handcuffing not only U of Arkansas but could potentially be hurting other universities as well in the state. It seems we have a lot of money but can't allocate it like we'd like to and it's because of the state laws. We have (had) multiple donation arms RF and Edge etc....the waters are awfully muddy.
NIL should be a two pronged approach...if not three or four and they should all be cheap to administrate. Hell the individual player should be able to manage most of it on their own without the college even having much to do with it. If I make money on my own merits and go to college what business is it of that college? That's between me and the IRS at that point.
1st: You get a collective together and handle it thru whatever legal means and stream line the shit out of it and insulate against fucking moron suites banking hard off it. Try to keep it as close to the house as legally possible.
2nd: make it to where a fan can be sitting on his couch or the toilet can pay that man his money as the play fucking happens. It makes total sense and incentivizes the player to give maximum effort every game. CashApp, Paypal...Superchat style payments...or whatever platform makes the most sense that doesn't involve tv networks getting their cut etc.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2025, 08:59 AMThis is what we've come to. A coach in a presser pleading for NIL donations feom local businesses.
https://x.com/Blakes_Take2/status/1990507823219028066?t=N_SYcKwMWoKp-D-AvrY8Ng&s=19 (https://x.com/Blakes_Take2/status/1990507823219028066?t=N_SYcKwMWoKp-D-AvrY8Ng&s=19)
Love it.
ADs and coaches won't directly call out fans for not contributing to NIL but they will call out local businesses for not taking a portion of what they make off the fans (and non fans) and contributing that money to the program.
I will never contribute to NIL and won't do business with a business who does. If that means Arkansas sucks for eternity then so be it.
College athletics is a billion dollar industry. When "they" show where all the money is going and coaches stop getting half a billion in buy out monies then I'll care again.
The system is beyond stupid. Fans have helped create it.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 20, 2025, 07:56 AMLove it.
ADs and coaches won't directly call out fans for not contributing to NIL but they will call out local businesses for not taking a portion of what they make off the fans (and non fans) and contributing that money to the program.
I will never contribute to NIL and won't do business with a business who does. If that means Arkansas sucks for eternity then so be it.
College athletics is a billion dollar industry. When "they" show where all the money is going and coaches stop getting half a billion in buy out monies then I'll care again.
The system is beyond stupid. Fans have helped create it.
I asked grok and it said 13-14 billion for football and 5 billion for basketball.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 20, 2025, 07:56 AMLove it.
ADs and coaches won't directly call out fans for not contributing to NIL but they will call out local businesses for not taking a portion of what they make off the fans (and non fans) and contributing that money to the program.
I will never contribute to NIL and won't do business with a business who does. If that means Arkansas sucks for eternity then so be it.
Now, get off my lawn!
College athletics is a billion dollar industry. When "they" show where all the money is going and coaches stop getting half a billion in buy out monies then I'll care again.
The system is beyond stupid. Fans have helped create it.
Speaking from the perspective of a Boomer (sorry HTL), all the charm and appeal of college sports is gone. There was a time when nearly every HS football player in America dreamed of someday playing for the "home team" and those lucky few that accomplished that goal were heroes in their home towns. Fans became invested in their favorite players as the players matured and excelled over the 3-4 years they represented the university. As corny as it sounds, school pride was the primary motivating factor in every Saturday game.
For whatever reasons, DI collegiate football has become the minor league of the NFL and I don't see how this genie can ever be put back in the bottle. Thanks to the current portal rules (or lack thereof), college athletes are now continually free-agent professionals with none of the contractual restraints that exist in the actual NFL. Currently, coaching staffs have little to no leverage to help instill discipline or loyalty in a cadre of athletes that are constantly being recruited by other teams with deeper pockets and the value of a free college education is not even given lip service any more.
I can't fault 18 year olds whose frontal cortexes are not yet fully developed for taking full advantage of the situation; but, the current philosophy of administrating DI collegiate sports is analogous to handing loaded handguns to a group of five-year olds and telling them to play safely.
Quote from: FNG on Nov 20, 2025, 09:19 AMSpeaking from the perspective of a Boomer (sorry HTL), all the charm and appeal of college sports is gone. There was a time when nearly every HS football player in America dreamed of someday playing for the "home team" and those lucky few that accomplished that goal were heroes in their home towns. Fans became invested in their favorite players as the players matured and excelled over the 3-4 years they represented the university. As corny as it sounds, school pride was the primary motivating factor in every Saturday game.
For whatever reasons, DI collegiate football has become the minor league of the NFL and I don't see how this genie can ever be put back in the bottle. Thanks to the current portal rules (or lack thereof), college athletes are now continually free-agent professionals with none of the contractual restraints that exist in the actual NFL. Currently, coaching staffs have little to no leverage to help instill discipline or loyalty in a cadre of athletes that are constantly being recruited by other teams with deeper pockets and the value of a free college education is not even given lip service any more.
I can't fault 18 year olds whose frontal cortexes are not yet fully developed for taking full advantage of the situation; but, the current philosophy of administrating DI collegiate sports is analogous to handing loaded handguns to a group of five-year olds and telling them to play safely.
I'm not a boomer, Y-Bother generation here, but this is 100% spot on.
Quote from: FNG on Nov 20, 2025, 09:19 AMSpeaking from the perspective of a Boomer (sorry HTL), all the charm and appeal of college sports is gone. There was a time when nearly every HS football player in America dreamed of someday playing for the "home team" and those lucky few that accomplished that goal were heroes in their home towns. Fans became invested in their favorite players as the players matured and excelled over the 3-4 years they represented the university. As corny as it sounds, school pride was the primary motivating factor in every Saturday game.
For whatever reasons, DI collegiate football has become the minor league of the NFL and I don't see how this genie can ever be put back in the bottle. Thanks to the current portal rules (or lack thereof), college athletes are now continually free-agent professionals with none of the contractual restraints that exist in the actual NFL. Currently, coaching staffs have little to no leverage to help instill discipline or loyalty in a cadre of athletes that are constantly being recruited by other teams with deeper pockets and the value of a free college education is not even given lip service any more.
I can't fault 18 year olds whose frontal cortexes are not yet fully developed for taking full advantage of the situation; but, the current philosophy of administrating DI collegiate sports is analogous to handing loaded handguns to a group of five-year olds and telling them to play safely.
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Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 20, 2025, 07:56 AMLove it.
ADs and coaches won't directly call out fans for not contributing to NIL but they will call out local businesses for not taking a portion of what they make off the fans (and non fans) and contributing that money to the program.
I will never contribute to NIL and won't do business with a business who does. If that means Arkansas sucks for eternity then so be it.
College athletics is a billion dollar industry. When "they" show where all the money is going and coaches stop getting half a billion in buy out monies then I'll care again.
The system is beyond stupid. Fans have helped create it.
I get not contributing to NIL, but not doing business with a place of business that does contribute? That's odd.
So if you find out tomorrow, that the owner of your favorite restaurant donated to the Hogs NIL, you'd never go there again?
Quote from: rzrbkfan69 on Nov 20, 2025, 10:28 AMI get not contributing to NIL, but not doing business with a place of business that does contribute? That's odd.
So if you find out tomorrow, that the owner of your favorite restaurant donated to the Hogs NIL, you'd never go there again?
Yep. Send your money to the athletic department if you want but I'm not doing it.
We already are paying inflated prices across the board for goods and services. I don't need to also pay a premium so the Hogs can pay their players too.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Nov 20, 2025, 10:57 AMYep. Send your money to the athletic department if you want but I'm not doing it.
We already are paying inflated prices across the board for goods and services. I don't need to also pay a premium so the Hogs can pay their players too.
That's a decision, but you're only spiting yourself.
If Wright's decides to charge an extra $0.33 on their brisket plate and give that to NIL I'm not going to deprive myself of a product with no comparable substitute (in this area) to prove a silly point that no one will notice.
I assume this also means you'll no longer consume Tyson Chicken or any of the beef or pork sold by one of their brands as well.
or watch the games since the tv money is paying part of the settlement which is backpay for nil.
Fair points around. I'll do what I can to limit what I perceive to be part of the problem.
Quote from: FNG on Nov 20, 2025, 09:19 AMSpeaking from the perspective of a Boomer (sorry HTL), all the charm and appeal of college sports is gone. There was a time when nearly every HS football player in America dreamed of someday playing for the "home team" and those lucky few that accomplished that goal were heroes in their home towns. Fans became invested in their favorite players as the players matured and excelled over the 3-4 years they represented the university. As corny as it sounds, school pride was the primary motivating factor in every Saturday game.
For whatever reasons, DI collegiate football has become the minor league of the NFL and I don't see how this genie can ever be put back in the bottle. Thanks to the current portal rules (or lack thereof), college athletes are now continually free-agent professionals with none of the contractual restraints that exist in the actual NFL. Currently, coaching staffs have little to no leverage to help instill discipline or loyalty in a cadre of athletes that are constantly being recruited by other teams with deeper pockets and the value of a free college education is not even given lip service any more.
I can't fault 18 year olds whose frontal cortexes are not yet fully developed for taking full advantage of the situation; but, the current philosophy of administrating DI collegiate sports is analogous to handing loaded handguns to a group of five-year olds and telling them to play safely.
Man, you hit the nail squarely on the head with this. The part in bold has gotten geometrically worse over the past 25 years.
Basically the NCAA needs to reform itself as a semi-pro sports association and start calling it what it really is. To that end it wouldn't be different than what Europe and Asia are doing with college age kids.
I'm still waiting for the IRS to really take a shit on somebody out of all this NIL stuff. You know it's gotta be coming. It'll be a Razorback and we'll be a national title hunt and they'll pull our star kid off the field just before the game and throw his ass in prison.
NIL effort #2302 at the UofA
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/frontoffice/
Quote from: DrMongoose on Nov 20, 2025, 11:33 PMNIL effort #2302 at the UofA
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/frontoffice/
Oh lawd
We are such a joke.
Quote from: FNG on Nov 20, 2025, 09:19 AMSpeaking from the perspective of a Boomer (sorry HTL), all the charm and appeal of college sports is gone. There was a time when nearly every HS football player in America dreamed of someday playing for the "home team" and those lucky few that accomplished that goal were heroes in their home towns. Fans became invested in their favorite players as the players matured and excelled over the 3-4 years they represented the university. As corny as it sounds, school pride was the primary motivating factor in every Saturday game.
For whatever reasons, DI collegiate football has become the minor league of the NFL and I don't see how this genie can ever be put back in the bottle. Thanks to the current portal rules (or lack thereof), college athletes are now continually free-agent professionals with none of the contractual restraints that exist in the actual NFL. Currently, coaching staffs have little to no leverage to help instill discipline or loyalty in a cadre of athletes that are constantly being recruited by other teams with deeper pockets and the value of a free college education is not even given lip service any more.
I can't fault 18 year olds whose frontal cortexes are not yet fully developed for taking full advantage of the situation; but, the current philosophy of administrating DI collegiate sports is analogous to handing loaded handguns to a group of five-year olds and telling them to play safely.
The kids just watched the adults and are doing what they were taught. Coaches and professional athletes showed them how loyalty has no place in this business.
"It's not show friends, it's show business." - Bob Sugar
Quote from: GeoHogsGeo on Nov 21, 2025, 07:02 AMThe kids just watched the adults and are doing what they were taught. Coaches and professional athletes showed them how loyalty has no place in this business.
"It's not show friends, it's show business." - Bob Sugar
Did they notice that the adults have employment contracts with buyout penalties?
Quote from: Pig Benis on Nov 21, 2025, 08:14 AMDid they notice that the adults have employment contracts with buyout penalties?
It will eventually get to some form of contract/NIL buyout..bleedat. Just like universities try to protect their investments with buyouts to keep coaches from leaving...the problem is gonna be the buyouts on the backend like they are now. (see: Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, James Franklin)
Quote from: GeoHogsGeo on Nov 21, 2025, 09:10 PMIt will eventually get to some form of contract/NIL buyout..bleedat. Just like universities try to protect their investments with buyouts to keep coaches from leaving...the problem is gonna be the buyouts on the backend like they are now. (see: Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, James Franklin)
Things will change in a way that is to our detriment immediately after we get the current system figured out.
https://x.com/JustinThind/status/1996958872519520426?t=6V_BHrq2p_HDOuZF4uoZ5w&s=19 (https://x.com/JustinThind/status/1996958872519520426?t=6V_BHrq2p_HDOuZF4uoZ5w&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 09:42 AMhttps://x.com/JustinThind/status/1996958872519520426?t=6V_BHrq2p_HDOuZF4uoZ5w&s=19 (https://x.com/JustinThind/status/1996958872519520426?t=6V_BHrq2p_HDOuZF4uoZ5w&s=19)
An endowed NIL program is certainly taking it to another level.
That's an extra annual 20 million minimum for as long as they're playing sports. Assuming they don't go for broke and spend it all in a few years.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 09:42 AMhttps://x.com/JustinThind/status/1996958872519520426?t=6V_BHrq2p_HDOuZF4uoZ5w&s=19 (https://x.com/JustinThind/status/1996958872519520426?t=6V_BHrq2p_HDOuZF4uoZ5w&s=19)
I just find this stupid. If I had all this money to waste the last thing I'm doing is giving it to sports for NIL. Sorry I just find it absurd. There's people with real needs out there, kids starving, cancer and disease research that it could go to and you waste it on NIL? Fucker
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 05, 2025, 10:13 AMI just find this stupid. If I had all this money to waste the last thing I'm doing is giving it to sports for NIL. Sorry I just find it absurd. There's people with real needs out there, kids starving, cancer and disease research that it could go to and you waste it on NIL? Fucker
How do you know how much he's giving to all those issues?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 05, 2025, 10:18 AMHow do you know how much he's giving to all those issues?
It doesn't matter. If he is giving 400 million so his college sports team can be better, that's 400 million that could be used for better things. Even if he is giving eleventy billion elsewhere.
That's an opinion and a judgment. Not a fact.
people aren't addicted to kids with cancer. college sports is another matter.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 05, 2025, 10:13 AMI just find this stupid. If I had all this money to waste the last thing I'm doing is giving it to sports for NIL. Sorry I just find it absurd. There's people with real needs out there, kids starving, cancer and disease research that it could go to and you waste it on NIL? Fucker
Bruh, can kids with cancer even dunk with all those tubes and stuff?
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 05, 2025, 10:30 AMIt doesn't matter. If he is giving 400 million so his college sports team can be better, that's 400 million that could be used for better things. Even if he is giving eleventy billion elsewhere.
That's an opinion and a judgment. Not a fact.
this. It's a lousy way to spend fucking money. It's a fucking waste. You might as well spend $400 million on a fart in a jar
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 05, 2025, 11:09 AMthis. It's a lousy way to spend fucking money. It's a fucking waste. You might as well spend $400 million on a fart in a jar
There's always a kickback. Guaranteed.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 05, 2025, 11:18 AMThere's always a kickback. Guaranteed.
you think in return that fucker gets nudes of all the players?
yeah, what kind of kickback would this guy possibly get?
Tax write off's
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 05, 2025, 11:46 AMTax write off's
Obligatory.
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Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 05, 2025, 10:30 AMIt doesn't matter. If he is giving 400 million so his college sports team can be better, that's 400 million that could be used for better things. Even if he is giving eleventy billion elsewhere.
That's an opinion and a judgment. Not a fact.
That's fine, but I'm not in the business of telling people how they should or shouldn't spend their money, or what percentage of their charitable donations should go to causes I approve.
Do you take vacations? Eat out at restaurants? Drink alcohol? That's all money that could have gone to feeding the poor or to St. Jude's as well. I'm not in the business of judging how you spend it...just be careful how you judge others Ananias.
Quote from: piglosopher on Dec 05, 2025, 11:46 AMTax write off's
only if he doesn't get any kickbacks, like preferred seating or tickets. if he doesn't then it's a charitable donation and any type of those can be written off.
I'd be willing to het that is a commitment for that amount of money over time instead of an actual gift right now. A lot of those types of things have a habit of never quite panning out to what was promised.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 05, 2025, 11:28 AMyou think in return that fucker gets nudes of all the players?
Well, whatever floats his boat.
Here's a random NIL idea.
This is based on the fact that most of our players are from out of state with no hometown in Arkansas.
Go to the Chamber, Rotary, or similar group in a given city and get them to "adopt" a player or two or three or four. Drum up the money locally, pool it together, let the kid hooked up with that city do a commercial or two.
Each city and their business community can pool donations that way when the businesses are otherwise too small to make a dent.
Make it a statewide push for each city to get involved, give them some guidance on how to organize it. Would actually resemble legit NIL. Seems like it could work.
This kid costs a million this year? He gets hooked up with Rogers.
$150,000? He gets Mountain Home.
Walk on? He gets Earle.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 05, 2025, 03:27 PMHere's a random NIL idea.
This is based on the fact that most of our players are from out of state with no hometown in Arkansas.
Go to the Chamber, Rotary, or similar group in a given city and get them to "adopt" a player or two or three or four. Drum up the money locally, pool it together, let the kid hooked up with that city do a commercial or two.
Each city and their business community can pool donations that way when the businesses are otherwise too small to make a dent.
Make it a statewide push for each city to get involved, give them some guidance on how to organize it. Would actually resemble legit NIL. Seems like it could work.
This kid costs a million this year? He gets hooked up with Rogers.
$150,000? He gets Mountain Home.
Walk on? He gets Earle.
I like this. Are you interested in our soon to be open athletic director position?
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 05, 2025, 04:24 PMI like this. Are you interested in our soon to be open athletic director position?
I would insist on a staff of woopiggers, and all of our work would be done by zoom under our woopig user names with filters making us look like versions of the woopig logo.
I would have IT figure out how to work in the old school woopig cursing filters during meetings. Meetings would have to be in a slight delay for this.
If they can meet those terms, I'm in.
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 05, 2025, 04:32 PMI would insist on a staff of woopiggers, and all of our work would be done by zoom under our woopig user names with filters making us look like versions of the woopig logo.
I would have IT figure out how to work in the old school woopig cursing filters during meetings. Meetings would have to be in a slight delay for this.
If they can meet those terms, I'm in.
You're hired. Welcome aboard. Now grab your family and head to the Jones Center for your press conference, hopefully where you don't awkwardly butcher the Hog call.
Quote from: DirkPiggler on Dec 05, 2025, 04:24 PMAre you interested in our soon to be open athletic director position?
Don't tease me with a good time.
https://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19 (https://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19)
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 06:21 PMhttps://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19 (https://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19)
This needs to happen more. Big money comes with responsibility.
Amen
Quote from: Sus-Scrofa on Dec 05, 2025, 04:32 PMI would insist on a staff of woopiggers, and all of our work would be done by zoom under our woopig user names with filters making us look like versions of the woopig logo.
I would have IT figure out how to work in the old school woopig cursing filters during meetings. Meetings would have to be in a slight delay for this.
If they can meet those terms, I'm in.
Not that I'd be invited but I would make sure to say frick instead of fuck, or at least try to. I still might call someone a cocksucker or other derogatory terms that slip thru the filter.
Gone are the golden days of mama getting a new double wide, dad getting a job working for a Fortune 500 company with an 10th grade education and a rap sheet longer than Mr. Ed's dong, envelopes of cash stashed behind a tree, and flashy sports cars appearing outside your Section 8 apartment.
My favorite ESPN 30 for 30 was "Pony Excess", about SMU's death penalty. Child's play by today's standards.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 06:21 PMhttps://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19 (https://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19)
why do these kids think they can transfer or go to another school and keep the money especially some of these kids who never even played but kept the money. Has arkansas inches closer to a trial date for getting their money back from that douche that went to uc or something
Whatever happened with us wanting the nil money back from Nico's brother?
Anytime know how rev share is determined? Is it different by conference?
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 05, 2025, 08:18 PMWhatever happened with us wanting the nil money back from Nico's brother?
Probably just a coincidence but Rev was recently rumored to have been spotted boarding a Greyhound heading west and packing only a Louisville Slugger, a blowtorch, a latex thong, and a pair of needle nose pliers.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 06:21 PMhttps://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19 (https://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19)
I came here to post this. All these contracts need to make in punitive for kids to just up and leave. Hope Georgia stays strong on this.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 06:21 PMhttps://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19 (https://x.com/BussinWTB/status/1997033846026784820?t=jYS91mznP37MZRBSoA5rhg&s=19)
Their trying to bring back slavery!
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 05, 2025, 08:39 PMAnytime know how rev share is determined? Is it different by conference?
I believe it's the same but each school chooses how to allocate it. That's why schools like St. John's will have a leg up in basketball over everyone else who is allocating the majority to football.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 06, 2025, 04:28 PMI believe it's the same but each school chooses how to allocate it. That's why schools like St. John's will have a leg up in basketball over everyone else who is allocating the majority to football.
Did a little research. Each conference gets a different amount and each school allocates however they choose. Should be consistent for P4 conferences. I was curious how conferences like the Big East who don't have football would handle revenue sharing. They will get a significant amount less.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 06, 2025, 04:37 PMDid a little research. Each conference gets a different amount and each school allocates however they choose. Should be consistent for P4 conferences. I was curious how conferences like the Big East who don't have football would handle revenue sharing. They will get a significant amount less.
Got it, thanks. I remember the Field of 68 talking last offseason about how Gonzaga. Creighton, and SJU could/would spend more on basketball than all P4 schools except maybe Kentucky who allocated 45% of their $20.5MM to basketball. Then sooend a shitload more on NIL for a 5-4 team :rofl:
https://x.com/hstoprecruiting/status/1998037240270782557?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Trendsetter or crazy?
https://x.com/auburntigers/status/2000977793547473239?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
comments are pretty good.
"Can you confirm it only calls your sister between the hours of midnight and 6 AM?"
This is a sportswriter guy who is on TikTok. I couldn't agree harder with every word of this. I am never, ever, ever giving money to an NIL fund. Not $0.01. Not ever. Not before or after death. It's simply a priority that will never rise to a reality. Arkansas can become a fucking Tiddlywinks school I guess if they plan on relying on me to pay football players. It's just a wild, wild concept to me. Hard no. Granite no. Diamond no.
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I agree with every bit of that.
Quote from: egregious on Dec 20, 2025, 06:46 AMI agree with every bit of that.
Besides the self-righteous end hunger and homelessness bullshit.
I value education.
The fully funded pursuit of a college education is an amazing gift for a family and a student athlete. It can lift people out of poverty and into a future that changes a family from that generation onward. If a student uses that opportunity and moves on to a sustainable career, it truly is life changing.
So, I say that the money given to the student for tuition, room and board and an allowance that allows the athlete to live a life of a typical student (go to fast food place occasionally, buy a video game to play, etc.) is sufficient, actually generous. I cannot foresee any situation at this time that I will give NIL money just so an 18 year old can be paid more than most employed adults just to play a sport and pursue a longer term employment in that sport.
They were already being paid.
Quote from: soldiersooie on Dec 20, 2025, 07:03 AMBesides the self-righteous end hunger and homelessness bullshit.
Those were just examples. The money could also go to buying the 8th and 9th Christmas gift for your kid.
To me virtually anything is better than giving it to a stranger, a teenager, to play football. I'd rather blow it in a slot machine.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 20, 2025, 07:57 AMThose were just examples. The money could also go to buying the 8th and 9th Christmas gift for your kid.
To me virtually anything is better than giving it to a stranger, a teenager, to play football. I'd rather blow it in a slot machine.
I completely agree. It was just the way he said it. Guess I'm being pedantic. While I agree with what he said, I didn't like how he said it.
Quote from: soldiersooie on Dec 20, 2025, 08:32 AMI completely agree. It was just the way he said it. Guess I'm being pedantic. While I agree with what he said, I didn't like how he said it.
Yeah I know what you mean. "What about the children?" "There is so much wrong in the world today." The moral angle is not the point. It's just not my thing that I will ever give money to a kid to play football. I'll light my cigar with a $100 bill first.
Not saying yall are wrong but this is why Arkansas will always be last in the SEC. This is how the majority of Arkansas fans think, the rest are too poor to contribute anyway.
I'd rather win big with average players in a weaker conference then try to keep up with the big boys in the SEC. We're obviously not cut out for it.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Dec 20, 2025, 11:53 AMI'd rather win big with average players in a weaker conference then try to keep up with the big boys in the SEC. We're obviously not cut out for it.
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the last two seasons we've lost to the worst team in the big12 and a middle of the pack aac team.
you're not winning with average players in any conference. loser's mentality.
This is nuts
https://x.com/fos/status/2002438752741044229?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Would you live in the dorm if you had a couple of million in the bank?
Quote from: mde114 on Dec 20, 2025, 12:22 PMWould you live in the dorm if you had a couple of million in the bank?
I don't blame them but I would be broke a month before finals and get bounced for missing rent.
Still, it is crazy to be getting paid like that.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 20, 2025, 12:32 PMI don't blame them but I would be broke a month before finals and get bounced for missing rent.
Still, it is crazy to be getting paid like that.
lol.
Same.
like any of those student affletes are takin finals
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 20, 2025, 08:42 AMYeah I know what you mean. "What about the children?" "There is so much wrong in the world today." The moral angle is not the point. It's just not my thing that I will ever give money to a kid to play football. I'll light my cigar with a $100 bill first.
I respect your opinion on the subject. I just don't ever want to hear you (or anyone else with the same opinion) say that bullshit "we aren't serious about football." Unfortunately, athletes are paid these days. Those are the rules. I don't like them either. But those are the rules.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 22, 2025, 09:45 AMI respect your opinion on the subject. I just don't ever want to hear you (or anyone else with the same opinion) say that bullshit "we aren't serious about football." Unfortunately, athletes are paid these days. Those are the rules. I don't like them either. But those are the rules.
If they want to be paid, they should be paid like anyone else in the world (out of revenues from selling something, either the sporting event or something else, that would be a bona fide NIL if endorsed).
Me contributing money to their salary out of the goodness of my heart or because of some emotional connection to "Arkansas" doesn't happen in any other industry in the entire world that I am aware of, and isn't going to happen here (from me).
I have never once made the "we're not serious about football" argument. I don't think the whole structure is the right way to go about it so I don't blame anyone for not participating.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 22, 2025, 09:57 AMIf they want to be paid, they should be paid like anyone else in the world (out of revenues from selling something, either the sporting event or something else, that would be a bona fide NIL if endorsed).
Me contributing money to their salary out of the goodness of my heart or because of some emotional connection to "Arkansas" doesn't happen in any other industry in the entire world that I am aware of, and isn't going to happen here (from me).
I have never once made the "we're not serious about football" argument. I don't think the whole structure is the right way to go about it so I don't blame anyone for not participating.
why are we putting up all this money so they can go to the portal and go to another school? Are there not contracts in the NIL where they can receive money from the school but if you leave you must pay it back. You can't just keep bouncing around to whoever gives you more money.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 22, 2025, 09:59 AMwhy are we putting up all this money so they can go to the portal and go to another school? Are there not contracts in the NIL where they can receive money from the school but if you leave you must pay it back. You can't just keep bouncing around to whoever gives you more money.
You should know Logic does not belong on this board much less in "college" athletics.
NIL is the closest thing to "reparations" that NAACP/BLM are ever going to get from white folks.
Does this mean former players from decades before will come out of the woodwork demanding they receive pay...especially the high profile ones with shirts they still sell or are valuable?
Quote from: FNG on Dec 22, 2025, 11:18 AMNIL is the closest thing to "reparations" that NAACP/BLM are ever going to get from white folks.
Add that to Welfare and we are even.
Y'all see in Ohio schools voted to allow athletes to profit off NIL? I know several other states are allowing or they have restrictions or prohibit...this is just gonna ruin things further
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 22, 2025, 12:06 PMY'all see in Ohio schools voted to allow athletes to profit off NIL? I know several other states are allowing or they have restrictions or prohibit...this is just gonna ruin things further
Explain. Aren't they all already profiting from NIL? The money is profit.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 22, 2025, 12:17 PMExplain. Aren't they all already profiting from NIL? The money is profit.
I think she is referring to this (emphasis is mine):
Ohio
high school athletes can now profit from their Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) after the OHSAA approved new bylaws in November 2025, following a lawsuit that challenged the previous ban. Rules prohibit pay-for-play, school involvement in deals, and certain products like gambling, but allow compensation for endorsements, social media, and appearances, making Ohio the 45th state to permit high school NIL.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 22, 2025, 12:21 PMmaking Ohio the 45th state to permit high school NIL.
I don't think they are doing anything out of the ordinary.
if some idiot wants to give a 16 year old money, who gives a shit.
you think these kids that transfer to other 'schools' like img aren't getting their momma's rent paid at their new place?
Quote from: arreferee on Dec 22, 2025, 12:24 PMI don't think they are doing anything out of the ordinary.
agree.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 22, 2025, 09:59 AMwhy are we putting up all this money so they can go to the portal and go to another school? Are there not contracts in the NIL where they can receive money from the school but if you leave you must pay it back. You can't just keep bouncing around to whoever gives you more money.
I agree this is a problem that needs to be fixed. I think it will be in the coming years. This whole process can not truly be called a "system" yet. But as time goes by these things will work themselves out.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 22, 2025, 12:21 PMI think she is referring to this (emphasis is mine):
Ohio high school athletes can now profit from their Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) after the OHSAA approved new bylaws in November 2025, following a lawsuit that challenged the previous ban. Rules prohibit pay-for-play, school involvement in deals, and certain products like gambling, but allow compensation for endorsements, social media, and appearances, making Ohio the 45th state to permit high school NIL.
Does this extend to cheerleaders? Asking for a friend.
Is the track team or baseball team getting a lot of NIL or is all really just going to men's football and basketball! I have no idea so why I'm asking. I guess women's basketball ain't getting shit
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 22, 2025, 01:19 PMIs the track team or baseball team getting a lot of NIL or is all really just going to men's football and basketball! I have no idea so why I'm asking. I guess women's basketball ain't getting shit
I don't know the answer, but I suspect baseball can probably arrange its own money for as much as they need.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 22, 2025, 01:19 PMIs the track team or baseball team getting a lot of NIL or is all really just going to men's football and basketball! I have no idea so why I'm asking. I guess women's basketball ain't getting shit
Baseball has to be getting a decent amount. Guys like Gaeckle and Helfrick wouldn't be on campus otherwise. And no I don't think they're getting close to what they would have in the draft out of HS but it greatly minimizes their risk and allows them to make more after 3 years. I wish we wpuld allocate more of our rev share to baseball where we can actually compete at an elite level. Sounds like DVH has voiced that opinion privately as well.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 22, 2025, 01:11 PMDoes this extend to cheerleaders? Asking for a friend.
:D
Quote from: HogOfWar on Dec 22, 2025, 01:11 PMDoes this extend to cheerleaders? Asking for a friend.
There is a dollar value along with a whipped cream allownce.
Interesting choice of school.....
Of course, I am sure he is writing it off
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I love the pose like he's shooting an ad for the GAP with his plain t-shirt and photoshopped logo slapped on top. It's not embarrassing at all.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 22, 2025, 10:17 PMInteresting choice of school.....
Of course, I am sure he is writing it off
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why the fuck is he shilling this shit and not for the hogs? All about money I guess and he's probably making money from this ad
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 23, 2025, 12:03 PMwhy the fuck is he shilling this shit and not for the hogs? All about money I guess and he's probably making money from this ad
He's rich, so I doubt that's his reason.
Is he butthurt goelish didn't get job?
He deleted the tweet where he reposted this with "You're welcome".
https://x.com/mrbobbybones/status/1983957200709287976?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 23, 2025, 01:23 PMIs he butthurt goelish didn't get job?
He deleted the tweet where he reposted this with "You're welcome".
https://x.com/mrbobbybones/status/1983957200709287976?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
This $5,000 donation for him is like me giving $50 to the University of Maryland. It is nothing.
This dude bleeds Razorback red through and through. Not sure why the WooPig hates him.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 23, 2025, 01:32 PMThis $5,000 donation for him is like me giving $50 to the University of Maryland. It is nothing.
This dude bleeds Razorback red through and through. Not sure why the WooPig hates him.
Hate is our business and business is good!
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 23, 2025, 01:32 PMThis $5,000 donation for him is like me giving $50 to the University of Maryland. It is nothing.
This dude bleeds Razorback red through and through. Not sure why the WooPig hates him.
Maybe his wife went to school at NLU?
he donated to their music program, specifically their wind ensemble.
apparently they perform at places like carnegie hall and other big venues for charity events.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 23, 2025, 05:09 PMhe donated to their music program, specifically their wind ensemble.
apparently they perform at places like carnegie hall and other big venues for charity events.
I must be one of the only people out here that listen to KSSN sometimes in the morning . He's
the country dj, is syndicated all over, Emcees many of the biggest festivals and awards shows and has a very wholesome show. Seems like a good guy.
Anybody on this board hating on Bobby is just going that extra mile to bring that Woopig negativity to everything... Most of the time it's justified, and/or funny. It just misses the mark here. He's one of us for JFB's sake.
Quote from: Usafhawg on Dec 22, 2025, 12:21 PMI think she is referring to this (emphasis is mine):
Ohio high school athletes can now profit from their Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) after the OHSAA approved new bylaws in November 2025, following a lawsuit that challenged the previous ban. Rules prohibit pay-for-play, school involvement in deals, and certain products like gambling, but allow compensation for endorsements, social media, and appearances, making Ohio the 45th state to permit high school NIL.
If only this was in effect for 6th grade kickball in 1973, I could have taken that money, compounded the returns for 52 years, and my net worth would be tens of more dollars now.
TENS
Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Dec 23, 2025, 11:14 PMAnybody on this board hating on Bobby is just going that extra mile to bring that Woopig negativity to everything... Most of the time it's justified, and/or funny. It just misses the mark here. He's one of us for JFB's sake.
We have just a few here going a bit too hard to prove their woopig. Nobody cares.
I think we'll see more of this as we move along until the market adjusts...
Evaluating is still key
https://x.com/frozoneflores/status/2003597297150755307?s=46&t=6uNMWI6PFOkxijXNhEuvSA
The Cocks are reportedly giving 5 mil of their rev sharing to Sellars (QB) and Stewart (DE). So approximately 1/3 of RS on 2 players.
Quote from: Rocket City Hawg on Dec 24, 2025, 01:19 PMThe Cocks are reportedly giving 5 mil of their rev sharing to Sellars (QB) and Stewart (DE). So approximately 1/3 of RS on 2 players.
https://x.com/coachsbeamer/status/2003859215790547159?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Sellers isn't even all that good especially under that idiot coach
Quote from: animal on Dec 25, 2025, 08:29 AMSellers isn't even all that good especially under that idiot coach
I could see him working well with Biles, think KJ Jefferson with a better / more accurate arm
Goes into effect Jan 1
So stupid to exempt from sales taxes
https://x.com/footprintzgroup/status/1915894825087594823?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Arkansas will exempt some NIL earnings from student-athletes' income taxesNeal Earley
NWA Online
Starting Jan. 1, student-athletes in Arkansas will be exempted from state income taxes if the pay comes directly from colleges or universities.
Signed into law by Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders in April, Act 839 is meant to allow the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville to make direct payments to student-athletes under a $2.8 billion settlement of a federal class-action lawsuit in California against the NCAA and five major collegiate athletic conferences: the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, and Atlantic Coast Conference. The former schools of the Pac-12 Conference also were included in the settlement. The UA is a member of the SEC.
The settlement requires schools that play in major conferences to pay their student-athletes directly in addition to other benefits student-athletes may already receive.
The legislation also enables the UA to share revenue with athletes. For the 2025-2026 season, schools such as the University of Arkansas and others from major conferences will have about $20.5 million from the settlement they can use to pay their athletes as part of the settlement agreement.
State Rep. Matthew Shepherd, R-El Dorado, said the goal of exempting student-athletes' earnings from colleges and universities from state income tax was to help athletic departments stretch the finite funds they have to pay players.
He said by exempting income tax, schools can pay athletes less than they would have without the exemption, while the athlete can take home the same amount in earnings due to the tax exemption.
Arkansas' top income tax rate is 3.9%. For example, someone making $75,900 to $76,000 a year would pay $2,552 in 2024, according to the Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration.
"It wasn't so much about the student-athlete as it was about the institution," Shepherd said. "I felt like this was a small thing -- a relatively small thing -- that we could do to help institutions stretch their resources as far as possible."
Shepherd also noted the need for the bill because schools in Arkansas compete with institutions in Texas, Tennessee, Florida and other states that don't have an income tax.
Not all of the student-athletes' earnings will be exempt from income tax, but rather only direct payments from the institution. That means if a student-athlete is paid for an endorsement deal or to help market a business, he or she will have to pay taxes on that income.
Scott Hardin, a spokesman for the Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration, recommended that student-athletes should consider consulting a tax professional for advice on the best method to report NIL income.
"Only income received by a student-athlete from an institution of higher education as compensation for the use of his or her name, image, or likeness or as a percentage of institutional athletic revenue permitted by the institution of higher education's governing athletic association or conference is exempt from state income tax," Hardin said in an email to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.
Shepherd's legislation did not pass without opposition. Act 839 easily passed in the Arkansas House of Representatives but failed on its first vote in the Senate.
"I sure would like to have a break on my income taxes," Sen. John Payton, R-Wilburn, said in April during debate over the bill.
Arkansas isn't alone in looking to use its tax code to assist schools with the recruitment of student-athletes. Legislators in Georgia, South Carolina and Illinois have considered similar bills, although they have yet to pass.
A U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June 2021 said the NCAA cannot prevent student-athletes from profiting off their own name, image and likeness. The ruling paved the way for schools to set up NIL collectives that can be used to dole out funds to student-athletes as a way to recruit and retain top prospects.
In March, Sanders signed Act 305 into law allowing colleges and universities in Arkansas to hold raffles that will be used to help pay student-athletes.
The legislation has enabled the UA to create the Razorback Raffle, with proceeds split 50/50 between the winner and the Razorback Foundation.
Your signature line is absolutely perfect for what the Arkansas legislature (or others) is doing regarding NIL.
That four percent isn't changing much.
If we're in a bidding war for a player worth around a million, we aren't going to win or lose it over 40k if we're up against a serious school.
that's been in effect since january 1st of this year.
since florida and texass don't have state taxes, it's a way to keep up.
It didn't take long from "NIL can't come directly from the schools" to "NIL money directly from the schools isn't subject to taxes!"
Is anyone familiar with Choose Arkansas? It's a collective started by a group of fans going live on Jan 5. Sounds like they absorbed/merged with that Pigpen collective.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 27, 2025, 11:21 AMIs anyone familiar with Choose Arkansas? It's a collective started by a group of fans going live on Jan 5. Sounds like they absorbed/merged with that Pigpen collective.
I have seen some things on X/Twitter about it. No substantive info yet.
We can only hope that fucking Guy from Cabot who won the 1.8 powerball winnings last week will help fund our NIL.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Dec 27, 2025, 11:21 AMIs anyone familiar with Choose Arkansas? It's a collective started by a group of fans going live on Jan 5. Sounds like they absorbed/merged with that Pigpen collective.
It's another Arkansas organization I will choose not to give any money to.
Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 27, 2025, 10:39 AMIt didn't take long from "NIL can't come directly from the schools" to "NIL money directly from the schools isn't subject to taxes!"
And somehow we'll still suck and the grifters gonna grift
Quote from: animal on Dec 29, 2025, 01:45 PMAnd somehow we'll still suck and the grifters gonna grift
Do Somali's like college football? Maybe we could get some of those billions from them.
I thought I posted this here yesterday, but I don't see it, so maybe I never hit "send." I heard yesterday from a very good source that we will have a good bit more money this year for the football team. Supposedly our NIL money will be 5th in the SEC.
https://x.com/mimscourtney/status/2006034603090342128?s=46&t=WzPgQqLixZosHVlWO7gISw
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 30, 2025, 10:13 AMhttps://x.com/mimscourtney/status/2006034603090342128?s=46&t=WzPgQqLixZosHVlWO7gISw
I wonder how much they are paying The Link U?
We seem to be throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it sticks.
Quote from: Barton Fink on Dec 30, 2025, 11:13 AMWe seem to be throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it sticks.
that firm works with other sec teams. better than what we had before.
it's all going to come down to whether people give or not anyway.
Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 30, 2025, 10:00 AMI thought I posted this here yesterday, but I don't see it, so maybe I never hit "send." I heard yesterday from a very good source that we will have a good bit more money this year for the football team. Supposedly our NIL money will be 5th in the SEC.
Woodhog said $35MM a couple of weeks ago. I'm not questioning him but I'll believe it when I see it. It would be a massive upgrade just to get to $25MM and that's including rev share.
With NIL and these kids getting paid so much if they are on the team and getting g paid are they still required to live on campus in a dorm? What other rules are in place so things aren't abused? When does the loopholes of taking money and running to another school stop.
https://x.com/dj45williams/status/2006001604328317442?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
Wait none of these kids are paying taxes on these big money pay outs to the state?
Yep. Sarah signed it to law I believe.
I pay taxes.
Millionaire athletes don't pay taxes.
Got it.
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Dec 30, 2025, 07:15 PMYep. Sarah signed it to law I believe.
I pay taxes.
Millionaire athletes don't pay taxes.
Got it.
I thought we were all in agreement that it just means more.
Quote from: PHARMHOG on Dec 30, 2025, 07:15 PMYep. Sarah signed it to law I believe.
I pay taxes.
Millionaire athletes don't pay taxes.
Got it.
Good customer.
Some people read this and think "they should be paying state income taxes like the rest of us"
I read this and think "let's just get rid of the state income tax altogether for everyone"
Quote from: animal on Dec 30, 2025, 08:06 PMI thought we were all in agreement that it just means more.
It will when we get back to our rightful throne of the Liberty Bowl
Looks like Iowa state has one player returning. Jesus.
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 30, 2025, 10:58 PMLooks like Iowa state has one player returning. Jesus.
If true, that is all they need.
Have they not hired a coach? Iowa State seems like such a destination gig
Quote from: animal on Dec 31, 2025, 07:11 AMHave they not hired a coach? Iowa State seems like such a destination gig
Can confirm Ames, Iowa is a destination. I found it on a map once. A Rand-McNally.
I know how this is going to work. Arkansas is going to get serious about NIL. Silverfield is going to work and we're going to have year or two of Petrino-like almost greatness getting us all excited for the future, and just like that...they'll change all the rules again we'll once again be slow to adopt, and right back at square one again.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 31, 2025, 07:43 AMCan confirm Ames, Iowa is a destination. I found it on a map once. A Rand-McNally.
I've driven past Ames dozens of times. It's a great place to drive past.
Quote from: animal on Dec 31, 2025, 07:11 AMHave they not hired a coach? Iowa State seems like such a destination gig
yeah they hired jimmy rogers. And for signing a contract he was immediately greeted with more transfers than any other schools experience during coaching transitions. But apparently A State quarterback back could hit the transfer portal and go to Iowa State.
When do they move to multi season contracts with players with buyout clauses? When do they change the portal to not allow players to transfer till May?
Can the NCAA do anything or are they deliberately not doing anything to force congress to do their job?
I'm going to hazard Iowa State's NIL packaging made Arkansas' look like King Solomon's Mine
Oof
https://x.com/darrenrovell/status/2006400740357444019?s=46&t=6uNMWI6PFOkxijXNhEuvSA
Quote from: DrMongoose on Dec 31, 2025, 11:46 AMOof
https://x.com/darrenrovell/status/2006400740357444019?s=46&t=6uNMWI6PFOkxijXNhEuvSA
It's hard times for everybody
that dude and his company are shady as hell.
If some of these players are getting paid millions, shouldn't they be made to pay their own way in college?
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Dec 30, 2025, 10:58 PMLooks like Iowa state has one player returning. Jesus.
Come on. Iowa State doesn't have a non-white player.
Quote from: vegashog on Dec 31, 2025, 12:54 PMthat dude and his company are shady as hell.
and I guarantee he extracted a few billion from the company before it tanked
I don't know if this has been mentioned but Brendan Sorsby, the top rated QB in the portal, signed with Texas Tech for a reported 5 million dollars.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Jan 06, 2026, 11:29 AMI don't know if this has been mentioned but Brendan Sorsby, the top rated QB in the portal, signed with Texas Tech for a reported 5 million dollars.
So stupid.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Jan 06, 2026, 11:29 AMI don't know if this has been mentioned but Brendan Sorsby, the top rated QB in the portal, signed with Texas Tech for a reported 5 million dollars.
Pretty soon the NFL is going to have to address the elephant in the room, least they be having draft classes with 35-year old rookies.
The least interesting part of college sports has become the most important part of college sports. I have never followed recruiting, ever. Not even a tiny bit. Didn't read articles (now threads) about recruiting. Football or basketball or baseball. I just want to show up to the first game and watch a good team. How you get there, I don't care and don't wanna watch the sausage being made.
That hasn't changed now that "recruiting" has tipped from being about high schoolers and the occasional transfer, to trying to keep your guys and evaluating the 4,000 in the transfer portal. I DON'T CARE. I just want to watch a good team in 2026.
Silverfield, get it done.
Edit: I probably put this in the wrong thread. I will leave it as real time evidence of how much I don't care about high school or portal recruiting.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Jan 06, 2026, 02:07 PMThe least interesting part of college sports has become the most important part of college sports. I have never followed recruiting, ever. Not even a tiny bit. Didn't read articles (now threads) about recruiting. Football or basketball or baseball. I just want to show up to the first game and watch a good team. How you get there, I don't care and don't wanna watch the sausage being made.
That hasn't changed now that "recruiting" has tipped from being about high schoolers and the occasional transfer, to trying to keep your guys and evaluating the 4,000 in the transfer portal. I DON'T CARE. I just want to watch a good team in 2026.
Silverfield, get it done.
Edit: I probably put this in the wrong thread. I will leave it as real time evidence of how much I don't care about high school or portal recruiting.
I tend to agree, although it's of some value for general fan interest and hopefully excitement. No question it is over-analyzed by people who have zero influence or real knowledge on any of it.
Quote from: Thin Red Swine on Jan 06, 2026, 06:17 PMI tend to agree, although it's of some value for general fan interest and hopefully excitement. No question it is over-analyzed by people who have zero influence or real knowledge on any of it.
On the whole, I'm not sure it's beneficial fan interest.
New coach built up a lot of goodwill since he's been hired, this thing is another way for him to lose it before he ever coaches a game.
interesting
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/how-are-schools-trying-to-lure-top-tier-qbs-in-transfer-portal-heres-an-inside-look-at-lsus-pursuit-of-brendan-sorsby-162435817.html
Can we pool our resources and buy a piss trough?
https://x.com/paythebillspod/status/2009092319157604392?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg
Never happen, but I wish there was a stipulation in NIL that if you transfer, you can't transfer to the same conference. That would probably stop a lot of this crap.
Quote from: Mazeppa Pompazoidi on Jan 06, 2026, 11:29 AMI don't know if this has been mentioned but Brendan Sorsby, the top rated QB in the portal, signed with Texas Tech for a reported 5 million dollars.
I was wrong. Now it's being reported that he signed for 5.98 million, because LSU offered around 6 mil.
kiffin might have fucked around and lost out on any big time qb. had leavitt on campus when the washington qb drama came out and he let him walk. hate to see it.
NCAA seeks solutions to transfer, money issuesANDREW DESTIN AND TERESA WALKER
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Jan 10, 2026
A quarterback reportedly reneging on a lucrative deal to hit the transfer portal, only to return to his original school. Another starting QB, this one in the College Football Playoff, awaiting approval from the NCAA to play next season, an expensive NIL deal apparently hanging in the balance. A defensive star, sued by his former school after transferring, filing a lawsuit of his own.
It is easy to see why many observers say things are a mess in college football even amid a highly compelling postseason.
"It gets crazier and crazier. It really, really does," said Sam Ehrlich, a Boise State legal studies professor who tracks litigation against the NCAA. He said he might have to add a new section for litigation against the NCAA stemming just from transfer portal issues.
"I think a guy signing a contract and then immediately deciding he wants to go to another school, that's a kind of a new thing," he said. "Not new kind of historically when you think about all the contract jumping that was going on in the '60s and '70s with the NBA. But it's a new thing for college sports, that's for sure."
Washington quarterback Demond Williams Jr. said late Thursday he will return to school for the 2026 season rather than enter the transfer portal, avoiding a potentially messy dispute amid reports the Huskies were prepared to pursue legal options to enforce Williams' name, image and likeness contract.
Edge rusher Damon Wilson is looking to transfer after one season at Missouri, having been sued for damages by Georgia over his decision to leave the Bulldogs. He has countersued.
Then there is Ole Miss quarterback Trinidad Chambliss, who reportedly had a new NIL deal waiting while he asked the NCAA for approval to play another season after leading the Rebels to Thursday night's Collge Football Playoff semifinal against Miami. The NCAA a day after Miami's win denied his request.
On that Miami roster? Defensive back Xavier Lucas, whose transfer from Wisconsin led to a lawsuit from the Badgers, claiming he was improperly lured to Miami by NIL money. Lucas has played all season for the Hurricanes and now gets a chance at a national championship. The case is pending.
WHAT TO DO?
Court rulings have favored athletes of late, winning them not just millions in compensation but the ability to play immediately after transferring rather than have to sit out a year as once was the case. They can also discuss specific NIL compensation with schools and boosters before enrolling. Current court battles include players seeking to play longer, without lower-college seasons counting against their eligibility, and earning NIL money while doing it.
Ehrlich compared the situation to the labor upheaval professional leagues went through before finally settling on collective bargaining, which has been looked at as a potential solution by some in college sports over the past year. Athletes. org, a players association for college athletes, recently offered a 38-page proposal of what a labor deal could look like.
"I think NCAA is concerned, and rightfully so, that anything they try to do to tamp down this on their end is going to get shut down," Ehrlich said. "Which is why really the only two solutions at this point are an act of Congress, which feels like an act of God at this point, or potentially collective bargaining, which has its own major, major challenges and roadblocks."
The NCAA has been lobbying for years for limited antitrust protection to keep some kind of control over the new landscape — and to avoid more crippling lawsuits — but bills have gone nowhere in Congress.
Universities have long balked at the idea that their athletes are employees in some way. Schools would become responsible for paying wages, benefits, and workers' compensation. And while private institutions fall under the National Labor Relations Board, public universities must follow labor laws that vary from state to state; virtually every state in the South has "right to work" laws that present challenges for unions.
Ehrlich noted the short careers for college athletes and wondered whether a union for collective bargaining is even possible.
A LOOK AT CONTRACTS
To sports attorney Mit Winter, employment contracts may be the simplest solution.
"This isn't something that's novel to college sports," said Winter, a former college basketball player who is now a sports attorney with Kennyhertz Perry. "Employment contracts are a huge part of college sports, it's just novel for the athletes."
Employment contracts for players could be written like those for coaches, he suggested, which would offer buyouts and prevent players from using the portal as a revolving door.
"The contracts that schools are entering into with athletes now, they can be enforced, but they cannot keep an athlete out of school because they're not signing employment contracts where the school is getting the right to have the athlete play football for their school or basketball or whatever sport it is," Winter said. "They're just acquiring the right to be able to use the athlete's NIL rights in various ways. So, a NIL agreement is not going to stop an athlete from transferring or going to play whatever sport it is that he or she plays at another school."
There are challenges here, too, of course: Should all college athletes be treated as employees or just those in revenue-producing sports? Can all injured athletes seek workers' compensation and insurance protection? Could states start taxing athlete NIL earnings?
Winter noted a pending federal case against the NCAA could allow for athletes to be treated as employees more than they currently are.
"What's going on in college athletics now is trying to create this new novel system where the athletes are basically treated like employees, look like employees, but we don't want to call them employees," Winter said. "We want to call them something else and say they're not being paid for athletic services. They're being paid for use of their NIL. So, then it creates new legal issues that have to be hashed out and addressed, which results in a bumpy and chaotic system when you're trying to kind of create it from scratch."
Employment contracts would not necessarily allow for uniform rules with an athlete able to go to transfer when terms have been met. Collective bargaining could include those guidelines.
"If the goal is to keep someone at a school for a certain defined period of time, it's got to be employment contracts," Winter said.
Decent article, no real answers.
Five years to play four. Sit out a year unless coach leaves, no following the coach. Go back to the cataclysmic injury rule.
This would fix the tampering problem that is rampant right now. Nobody will pay NIL for a transfer that has to sit. Nobody that is making money at a school currently is going to become a tackling dummy for a year with the risk of injury etc.
https://x.com/petethamel/status/2010547737993871710?
The Ole Miss NIL must have a big offer out to Chambliss.
What kind of ruling would you expect out of a state court in whatever county OM is in?
Quote from: jdcatty on Jan 12, 2026, 08:25 AMhttps://x.com/petethamel/status/2010547737993871710?
The Ole Miss NIL must have a big offer out to Chambliss.
What kind of ruling would you expect out of a state court in whatever county OM is in?
I thought he was gonna be like 3rd in the draft so why keep playing at ole Miss...is the money that good over nfl? Or is he unsure of where he would land
The rumor that I saw was $6MM from Ole Miss. I think he is/was projected to be a 3rd-4th rounder due to size but after the playoff performance I'm sure he shot up some draft boards and someone will reach and take him earlier.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 12, 2026, 09:44 AMThe rumor that I saw was $6MM from Ole Miss. I think he is/was projected to be a 3rd-4th rounder due to size but after the playoff performance I'm sure he shot up some draft boards and someone will reach and take him earlier.
yeah, small qb's suck in the nfl. a guy like brock purdy or doug flutie would never make it.
Have to be a top 7 pick to make $6 m in 2026
Still, why stay in school instrpead of starting the nfl clock? Kinda like what we saw with guys going to the nba to get clock going on the rookie deal so they get to the 2nd deal and beyond (if so fortunate)
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-football/article-15461563/tj-finley-college-football-transfer.html
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The NFL better be afraid, very afraid. Time for drastic expension and implementation of promotion and relegation. Some colleges have enough backing to match NFL pay.
3 divisions of 4 or 5 for each the AFC and NFC and similar sized sub league where the play offs determine promotion to the big time. Kill college ball by going in to markets. Where they have forsaken. San Antonio/Austin, back to San Diego. Portland, Salt Lake, Omaha, St Louis, Louisville, Orlando, Birmingham, Memphis, Columbus OH, OKC, NWA, Albuquerque. Throw in Mexico City and the top CFL towns. They fucked up blowing uo the WFL years ago where they could further develope talent beyond college
The hope of actually making to the NFL via promotion would help with the support so many of these attempts of off shoot pro leagues have lacked.
The NBA should be doing this as well. Very fine arenas I Tuls, KC, Louisville, Omaha, Nashville, ect ect ect.
Love to see MLB do it as well with a host of Triple A markets.
Indiana being so damn good changes the paradigm.
Quote from: Pig Benis on Jan 12, 2026, 09:44 AMThe rumor that I saw was $6MM from Ole Miss. I think he is/was projected to be a 3rd-4th rounder due to size but after the playoff performance I'm sure he shot up some draft boards and someone will reach and take him earlier.
NiL offers more than league. We are witnessing the formation of a new pro league where the teams will eventually be just affiliated with Schools. The NCAA is dead.
Quote from: WaywardMemphian on Jan 14, 2026, 08:16 AMNiL offers more than league. We are witnessing the formation of a new pro league where the teams will eventually be just affiliated with Schools. The NCAA is dead.
It will slowly morph into a pro premier league. American Football Premier League (AFPL) with Playoff Championships (PC) added.
Eligibility will be one of the final nails in the coffin for college football. The teams will be privately owned with then renting the name and likeness from schools. Women's sports will end up like minor league baseball because the money will not be there for most of them.
Quote from: WaywardMemphian on Jan 14, 2026, 08:16 AMNiL offers more than league.
this is just not true. look at the first column in the graphic above. that's guaranteed money plus a fifth year option.
the last player selected would have to make $4.7M a year for four years.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 14, 2026, 10:05 AMthis is just not true. look at the first column in the graphic above. that's guaranteed money plus a fifth year option.
the last player selected would have to make $4.7M a year for four years.
Wait till next year with hot shot Soph QBs that's not eligible for the NFL draft yet. I bet we'll see 8 to 10 mil offers for a year.
Quote from: WaywardMemphian on Jan 14, 2026, 10:08 AMWait till next year with hot shot Soph QBs that's not eligible for the NFL draft yet. I bet we'll see 8 to 10 mil offers for a year.
That QB that switched from LSU to Michigan got 12 million.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Jan 14, 2026, 11:07 AMThat QB that switched from LSU to Michigan got 12 million.
that's for four years with him voiding the balance if he transfers or goes pro.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 14, 2026, 11:18 AMthat's for four years with him voiding the balance if he transfers or goes pro.
Ah.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 14, 2026, 05:04 AMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-football/article-15461563/tj-finley-college-football-transfer.html
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Seriously, how is this possible and how is he academically eligible?
Also, why would you want him as your qb?
https://twitter.com/i/status/2012679894161858725
of course his entire answer wasn't posted.
he'd been taking post grad classes since he graduated, including for this past fall semester, but since the playoffs extend that, and he's not going to be there for the spring, he's not taking any more.
Quote from: Natty_Ice on Jan 18, 2026, 02:54 PMhttps://twitter.com/i/status/2012679894161858725
"They are building it the right way." -Kirk Herbstreet
Quote from: HogOfWar on Jan 18, 2026, 03:26 PM"They are building it the right way." -Kirk Herbstreet
same thing as for any senior who has graduated and plays in any bowl game.
she tried for a gotcha question and apparently those uniformed about how eligibility works bit on it.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 18, 2026, 03:42 PMsame thing as for any senior who has graduated and plays in any bowl game.
she tried for a gotcha question and apparently those uniformed about how eligibility works bit on it.
Yeah,but two years since going to class? Graduate in December is not unheard of. I did. I didn't continue to be in college or affiliated for another two.
Quote from: HogOfWar on Jan 18, 2026, 04:08 PMYeah,but two years since going to class? Graduate in December is not unheard of. I did. I didn't continue to be in college or affiliated for another two.
he graduated two years ago and has been taking grad courses since. he went on to explain that, but taking a 15 second sound bite totally out of context and posting it on x seems to be the norm nowadays.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 18, 2026, 04:20 PMhe graduated two years ago and has been taking grad courses since. he went on to explain that, but taking a 15 second sound bite totally out of context and posting it on x seems to be the norm nowadays.
So listening to whole answer he gave not just the sound byte that Natty provided, it is a little confusing. Yeah, I get he was taking classes last semester, but not taking spring semester classes. I am sure he will get that grad degree from somewhere sometime.
Can players still be drafted into the NFL after saying they are staying in school?
Quote from: Son of Spam on Jan 19, 2026, 07:11 PMCan players still be drafted into the NFL after saying they are staying in school?
per AI
Yes, players who say they are staying in school can still be drafted if they declared for the draft before the deadline, as their declaration stands unless they officially withdraw, but they might lose remaining college eligibility if they miss the withdrawal date; however, players who didn't declare but were expected to stay can still be drafted if they were draft-eligible (three years from high school) and just didn't enter the early-declaration process. A player's verbal declaration to stay in school doesn't prevent a team from drafting them if they were eligible; the key is whether they officially entered the draft pool, and they can only withdraw by a specific deadline
Tennessee quarterback Joey Aguilar has been added to a lawsuit (originally led by Vanderbilt QB Diego Pavia) against NCAA "five-year rule/JUCO eligibility" limits, seeking ability to play in Division I in 2026. Where are we with this lawsuit? I mean are these guys gonna hold out or accept a draft pick/contract to the the nfl? Is this just some backup plan to get more money in case they aren't drafted or offered enough money in the nfl
Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Jan 21, 2026, 09:45 PMTennessee quarterback Joey Aguilar has been added to a lawsuit (originally led by Vanderbilt QB Diego Pavia) against NCAA "five-year rule/JUCO eligibility" limits, seeking ability to play in Division I in 2026. Where are we with this lawsuit? I mean are these guys gonna hold out or accept a draft pick/contract to the the nfl? Is this just some backup plan to get more money in case they aren't drafted or offered enough money in the nfl
In my view it's purely an attempt by guys who know they won't be drafted till the late rounds, if at all, to hold on to the good money they are getting in college.
If they are employees, then any eligibility restraints would be unlawful. So, we may have 30 year old guys playing college sports for ten years if we don't get this straightened out. We could have guys playing in the NBA and NFL coming back to school for another payday after finishing their careers.
I just think something needs to be done...these cases of people leaving the G League or even regular nba to come back and play college ball due to nil money is getting insane. They aren't there for an education anymore. Not that they really were. How long can these guys with lawsuits for eligibility wait for a case to be heard when the draft is around the corner? This is insane.
5 years of eligibility. Clock starts upon graduation from high school. They won't do this, but it's the only thing that will fix it. No way for a judge to get involved.
Indiana dominated because their lines averaged 23 years old. 4, 5 and 6 year players.
If I had a kid that was a medium division one lineman talent, I'd have him work construction and work out and grow for a couple of years, walk on at a Division II school to get film. Portal up. Start your sophomore year as a full grown man. Four years making Div I lineman money would set them up for life.
It's still only down from here
https://x.com/On3NIL/status/2016236175661445458?s=20
Quote from: buff2.0 on Jan 27, 2026, 04:20 PMIt's still only down from here
https://x.com/On3NIL/status/2016236175661445458?s=20
Where is all this nil money going to come from?
We have lost our minds.
40 states allow it. high school nil deals have been a thing since 2021 when a basketball player got one from puma. the kid turned out to be a dud and is at his third school, sacramento st.
if idiots want to give a high school kid money then who cares.
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 27, 2026, 04:37 PM40 states allow it. high school nil deals have been a thing since 2021 when a basketball player got one from puma. the kid turned out to be a dud and is at his third school, sacramento st.
if idiots want to give a high school kid money then who cares.
Didn't Teddy Bridgewater get fired for buying a kid an Under Armour shirt?
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 27, 2026, 04:37 PM40 states allow it. high school nil deals have been a thing since 2021 when a basketball player got one from puma. the kid turned out to be a dud and is at his third school, sacramento st.
if idiots want to give a high school kid money then who cares.
True, a fool and is money is soon parted.
Just making for more fools.
teddy was suspended and then resigned. he paid for uber rides, meals, and 'recovery services', whatever that means, to the tune of $100K.
Quote from: DrMongoose on Jan 27, 2026, 04:46 PMTrue, a fool and is money is soon parted.
Just making for more fools.
this. that people take sports so seriously might be the problem.
It is only going to get weirder
https://x.com/sbj/status/2016280108789530917?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A
Quote from: vegashog on Jan 27, 2026, 04:53 PMthat people take sports so seriously might be the problem.
This is what I've never understood. Why do people (non players and coaches) take sports so seriously?
Have we settled the case with that kid that took off with our NIL money and never played here and refused to return?
https://x.com/thestevenwillis/status/2016491886551150597?
Mars is mocking the NCAA
Quote from: arreferee on Jan 28, 2026, 08:53 AMThis is what I've never understood. Why do people (non players and coaches) take sports so seriously?
I am with you.
Entertaining - yes.
Everything else - no.
I will never give a dollar.
Four SMU donors raised $50M the other day and have a goal of raising another $50M by the end of the year for their NIL.
Are we still having fish fry's and bake sales?
That's couch money for a Walton.
We just need a combined football/ bicycle motocross NIL fund they can get excited about.
Quote from: Spiderham on Feb 25, 2026, 06:43 PMThat's couch money for a Walton.
I'm sure they'd love to donate that money... to Missouri.
https://x.com/whitlockjason/status/2028873875329552453?s=46&t=m_RTTyQoOXCKni9LyjoM3g
arkansas was the first to pass a bill like that last year. also the sec states with no income tax have nil money excluded.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 03, 2026, 12:31 PMalso the sec states with no income tax have nil money excluded.
I don't understand this sentence. If a states doesn't have an income tax then by default NIL is excluded.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Mar 03, 2026, 12:58 PMI don't understand this sentence. If a states doesn't have an income tax then by default NIL is excluded.
yes, states with no income tax don't tax nil. that was for swahili's benefit as the post she tagged seemed to say that the ole miss bill was the first of it's kind.
Thx for clarifying
I don't know what the Tysons paid, but kudos to them for stepping in when outside of them it's been far too quiet on the Arkansas NIL front
I'm fine with the patches, the "chicken man" thing seems to be seen as more cool than uncool
Terms aren't disclosed but I'd love to know that amount because the way they're talking it up it dwarfs anything out there
The rumor I saw was $300MM for 10 years but that's probably internet caca.
Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Mar 04, 2026, 08:11 AMI don't know what the Tysons paid, but kudos to them for stepping in when outside of them it's been far too quiet on the Arkansas NIL front
I'm fine with the patches, the "chicken man" thing seems to be seen as more cool than uncool
Terms aren't disclosed but I'd love to know that amount because the way they're talking it up it dwarfs anything out there
I wonder that if instead of a phone call by the ad, we had to pay a 3rd party to make that call amd deal because the ad can't.
Just make John Tyson the ad, at least he has a vision for the razorbacks.
i seriously doubt john tyson needed a third party to strike a deal with the university of arkansas.
Arkansas signs 'lucrative' deal with Tyson Foods for jersey patches in all sportsChristina Long
NWA Online
FAYETTEVILLE — The Arkansas Razorbacks have signed a new sponsorship agreement with Springdale-based Tyson Foods that athletics director Hunter Yurachek touted as "the most lucrative true corporate sponsorship deal in college athletics."
The five-year deal, the financial terms of which were not disclosed, will place the Tyson logo on jersey patches in all of Arkansas' 19 sports beginning with the 2026-27 academic year. The Tyson logo will also appear on playing surfaces across campus, including baseball, softball, volleyball, soccer and gymnastics.
The Tyson logo, as well as that of Bentonville-based Walmart, has been displayed on the football field at Reynolds Razorback Stadium and the basketball court at Bud Walton Arena as part of a five-year agreement signed in 2024.
Under the new agreement, the Tyson Foods logos will continue to appear on backdrops for the Razorbacks' press conferences, and some Arkansas athletes will serve as brand ambassadors for the company through NIL deals.
"It was really important to the Tyson leadership team and is really important to me and our leadership in our department that every single student-athlete in our department and every sport was positively impacted by this partnership," Yurachek said, "and that's happened."
In January, the NCAA Division I Cabinet approved a proposal allowing teams to sell jersey patch sponsorships for regular-season games. It was a long expected rule change, one for which Yurachek had frequently advocated.
Arkansas athletics director Hunter Yurachek (left) visits with Tyson Foods chairman John Tyson, Wednesday, March 12, 2025, before the Razorbacks' 72-68 win over South Carolina at the SEC Men's Basketball Tournament at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tenn. (Hank Layton/WholeHogSports)
Schools are permitted to sell up to two jersey patch sponsorships, but Yurachek said the deal with Tyson Foods makes the company the exclusive jersey sponsor for all sports. Arkansas could still sell additional playing surface sponsorships outside of football and basketball.
Arkansas is the fifth school to announce a sponsor for jerseys worn in competition. UNLV became the first when it unveiled a jersey patch partnership with Acesso Biologics in December, before the proposal was even approved, worth $2.2 million annually for five years. It includes patches on jerseys for football, baseball, and men's and women's basketball.
LSU announced a deal with Woodside Energy to place logos on all its uniforms in February. Louisiana-Monroe has an agreement with Samaritan's Purse. Omaha has a jersey patch sponsor specifically for its men's hockey uniforms.
Other schools previously had sponsors for football practice jerseys before the rule change allowing them on game-worn uniforms.
Yurachek said Arkansas began the process of searching for a jersey patch sponsor last fall, when the issue became an agenda item at the NCAA convention and appeared headed toward approval. Learfield, the Razorbacks' multimedia rights partner, was already searching for a new naming rights sponsor for the football stadium. Yuarchek said that made it easy to also present opportunities for jersey patch sponsorship packages.
As a longtime supporter of multiple sports — most notably men's basketball, track and field and golf — John Tyson was at the top of the list.
"Mr. Tyson and I had some conversations about how this might look specific to men's basketball, and then that opened up a broader conversation for the inclusion of all 19 of our sports," Yurachek said. "Mr. Tyson, [CEO] Donnie King and their entire leadership team see the value of a successful Razorback athletics program to Northwest Arkansas and the state of Arkansas and what that means, not only to their businesses, but businesses across the footprint of the state. I think they're stepping up and really want to show their support, and hopefully that support encourages others to continue to support at an even higher level than they already are."
The values of many such sponsorship deals go unreported, but according to a January report from Sports Business Journal, citing research conducted by Learfield and Wasserman, patches for college football and men's basketball programs alone could be worth between $500,000 to $12 million per year depending on brand and market.
In December 2024, Elevate estimated that the top 50 college football teams could fetch an average of $4.6 million annually and men's basketball teams an average of $1.2 million per year.
The Arkansas-Tyson deal's inclusion of 19 sports, the exclusivity of the jersey patch sponsorship, plus multiple on-field logo opportunities add up to a large group of assets worth a significant amount of money.
"There will be a number of colleges that will have jersey patch partners," Yurachek said. "I think a lot of them will have local partners. Ours is a local partner, but it is a national brand.
"When you talk about what you see on NBA jerseys, NFL jerseys, Major League Baseball jerseys and helmets, MLS, international soccer — those are national brands that are being recognized on those teams. And we will have a national brand in Tyson Foods that will be on our jerseys. I don't believe there'll be many universities that will be able to accomplish that. It's really cool that Tyson has stepped up and done this for us."
Buying a college sports team seems to be the latest fad among billionaires.
it's marketing. would have happened sooner if the ncaa had allowed it.
and since it will be a tax write off, it basically costs chicken man nothing.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 05, 2026, 02:38 PMit's marketing. would have happened sooner if the ncaa had allowed it.
and since it will be a tax write off, it basically costs chicken man nothing.
What? Please explain.
those patches are a write off. since the sponsorship is over multiple years, those write offs can be capitalized and amortized over the years. with the business the corporations count on the sponsorship making, it's usually a wash.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Mar 05, 2026, 03:55 PMWhat? Please explain.
They just write it off.
I don't know what a write off is, but they do, and they're the ones writing it off.
Maybe the national pundits will start affectionately referring to us as the "Fighting Chickens."
Quote from: Corn Pop on Mar 05, 2026, 05:35 PMMaybe the national pundits will start affectionately referring to us as the "Fighting Chickens."
In fairness Tyson also sells spoiled hog meat so it all just makes sense.
Quote from: Corn Pop on Mar 05, 2026, 05:35 PMMaybe the national pundits will start affectionately referring to us as the "Fighting Chickens."
Razorchickens
Quote from: animal on Mar 05, 2026, 05:47 PMIn fairness Tyson also sells spoiled hog meat so it all just makes sense.
Sell it before you smell it.
Quote from: vegashog on Mar 05, 2026, 04:35 PMthose patches are a write off. since the sponsorship is over multiple years, those write offs can be capitalized and amortized over the years. with the business the corporations count on the sponsorship making, it's usually a wash.
You guys need to stop using the term "write off".
Tyson is paying real money on advertising/sponsorship that will be capitalized and then amortized over the term of the deal to match the theoretical (lol eye roll lol) revenue generated.
What should be said is Tyson makes a shit ton of money selling terrible-for-you food and they are choosing to waste shareholder profits on a sports program. At the end of the day Tyson is spending $1 to save $0.30 in taxes.
I'll be interested to see if shareholders ever take issue with public companies wasting money on these things.
With that said, the Hogs are benefiting so I hope they keep selling their shitty products, taking in all that money and sending some of it to the University.
Quote from: jdcatty on Mar 05, 2026, 05:58 PMRazorchickens
Don't put that shit on me, Ricky Bobby.
Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 05, 2026, 04:43 PMThey just write it off.
I don't know what a write off is, but they do, and they're the ones writing it off.
You beat me to it.
Quote from: BleedinRed on Mar 05, 2026, 06:35 PMYou guys need to stop using the term "write off".
Tyson is paying real money on advertising/sponsorship that will be capitalized and then amortized over the term of the deal to match the theoretical (lol eye roll lol) revenue generated.
What should be said is Tyson makes a shit ton of money selling terrible-for-you food and they are choosing to waste shareholder profits on a sports program. At the end of the day Tyson is spending $1 to save $0.30 in taxes.
I'll be interested to see if shareholders ever take issue with public companies wasting money on these things.
With that said, the Hogs are benefiting so I hope they keep selling their shitty products, taking in all that money and sending some of it to the University.
Someone in the process is going to show this as an advertising expense, and justify it based on the number of eyes that are on Razorback sporting events nationally. Whether or not they are correct is above my pay grade and skill set.
Unlike NIL which would show little to no promotional benefit for a multinational corporation like Tyson, at least there is a somewhat justifiable argument that this will increase visibility for the corporation.
You're not wrong.
Tyson Razorbacks has a nice ring to it.
Did I dream this up or was the naming rights to Razorback Stadium getting changed to something corporate or being looked at to be sold.
Patching things upNorthwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Mar 11, 2026
Already close, UA, Tyson build relationship
The University of Arkansas will beef up financial support of 19 varsity athletics program through a highly celebrated deal with protein giant Tyson Foods, giving the Porkers renewed vigor to demonstrate they're not afraid — or chicken — to try new approaches in response to money-hungry, 21st century college athletics.
Let's see: Beef reference? Check. Pork reference? Check (although we had to dig back to nearly ancient references to the Hogs). Poultry reference? Check. We're just trying to do our part to get into the protein-enriched spirit of the moment.
It's a big deal, the UA Athletic Department assures, though they're not revealing any of the financial details.
Starting later this year, every varsity athlete's uniform will feature the logo of Tyson Foods, the Springdalebased company founded in 1935 by John W. Tyson. What once was a poultry company is now an industry leader in beef and pork, clearing a path for the University of Arkansas athletic department to serve it up as the "official protein of the Arkansas Razorbacks." The Tyson Foods name will be visible all over the Razorback program. Some student-athletes, if that's what we can still call them, will become brand ambassadors for Tyson Foods.
The deal with Tyson is exclusive, meaning no other corporate sponsorship will get patch-on-uniform treatment.
Athletic Director Hunter Yurachek said the deal will prove transformative for the Hogs and described it as "the most lucrative true corporate sponsorship deal in college athletics."
"Tyson Foods has been proud to support the Arkansas Razorbacks for generations — investing in champions today and leaders for tomorrow in the state we've called home for more than 90 years," said John Tyson, chairman of the board at Tyson Foods. "Together, we support young people to compete and succeed — on the field, in the classroom and beyond."
It was only in January that the NCAA Division I Cabinet approved a proposal allowing teams to sell jersey patch sponsorships for regular-season games.
The deal is a continuation of Tysonbased support that's lasted decades. Perhaps the most earth-shaking move in Arkansas athletics history was the 2024 hiring of John Calipari, the hugely successful basketball coach at Kentucky. It was John Tyson who was credited with making those connections, fostering discussions and providing the financial resources to make the Arkansas program attractive to Calipari. He and Calipari have been friends for 20-plus years.
To give credit where it's due, it's worth noting the school and Tyson Foods committed to all 19 men's and women's varsity sports. It would certainly be easy and perhaps understandable if a corporate sponsor only concerned itself with the big-time sports — football, men's basketball, baseball. But extending it to all varsity teams — women's basketball, golf, gymnastics, swimming and diving, tennis, volleyball, track, etc. — reflects a deep appreciation for the value of impacting the university's widespread athletic experience.
The key focus of the five-year deal will be to pay players, likely through name-image-likeness arrangements.
Tyson Foods was founded as an Arkansas company and it remains so in more ways than just location of its headquarters. It is a global brand rooted just a few miles away from the UA's Fayetteville campus.
While we remain unconvinced all the changes happening in collegiate sports are the healthiest for programs or athletes (even if they're more lucrative for the latter), it's hard to ignore the inherent value in this deal cooked up between the Arkansas Razorbacks and Tyson Foods.
Up next? Selling the rights to name Razorback Stadium, now that the Donald W. Reynolds contract has run its course, and then some. With Tyson Foods and Walmart already well represented there, it's anyone's guess what arrangement Yurachek and Co. will flock to.