Bread/Milk Alert. Storm of the century tonight!

[Elblancodiablo]

they already lost 50 m on this project probably more when it's done. Will this not prompt the state to stop going with the lowest bid and actually look at other things. What a disaster

Did you read your own link?

[SwahiliSteve]

Did you read your own link?

they updated their questionnaire to ask about budget and delays but didn't see anything about not going anymore with the lowest bid. People can lie especially scuzzy people wanting a contract

[Elblancodiablo]

they updated their questionnaire to ask about budget and delays but didn't see anything about not going anymore with the lowest bid. People can lie especially scuzzy people wanting a contract

They are required by law to go with the lowest bidder unless they can find compelling evidence against using them. They scrutinize contracts and bidders as best they can. The scrutinization is being done by gov employees for goodness sakes. You can't expect a lot from them, it is what it is.

[SwahiliSteve]

They are required by law to go with the lowest bidder unless they can find compelling evidence against using them. They scrutinize contracts and bidders as best they can. The scrutinization is being done by gov employees for goodness sakes. You can't expect a lot from them, it is what it is.

it's sad that tax dollars are paying for this garbage and they can't effectively find a company that can do it at a decent price and do a good job. But after all I worked for the arkansas state government at one point and it's a cluster fuck of incompetent people

[hit_that_line]

McGeorge can do it.

[Elblancodiablo]

it's sad that tax dollars are paying for this garbage and they can't effectively find a company that can do it at a decent price and do a good job. But after all I worked for the fed/state/county/city government at one point and it's a cluster fuck of incompetent people

Fixed

[BleedinRed]

"If construction finishes on January 16, 2025, when it is currently expected the contractor would lose almost $50 million of their $188 million contract."

Does that original $188m cover materials and supplies?  I assume it does.  $188m (or $138m after penalty) seems like a lot of money for a 5 mile long project.  I'm not in this line or work so maybe someone who is can chime in.  I'm wondering if that low bid is a function of really being low or the bid was high enough that they don't really give a shit how long the job takes.

[Elblancodiablo]

"If construction finishes on January 16, 2025, when it is currently expected the contractor would lose almost $50 million of their $188 million contract."

Does that original $188m cover materials and supplies?  I assume it does.  $188m (or $138m after penalty) seems like a lot of money for a 5 mile long project.  I'm not in this line or work so maybe someone who is can chime in.  I'm wondering if that low bid is a function of really being low or the bid was high enough that they don't really give a shit how long the job takes.

It is possible they factored a bunch of ld into the bid. You would have to look at the other bids to have an idea what the job was worth. They might have lowballed it, but that is doubtful.

[jdcatty]

"If construction finishes on January 16, 2025, when it is currently expected the contractor would lose almost $50 million of their $188 million contract."

Does that original $188m cover materials and supplies?  I assume it does.  $188m (or $138m after penalty) seems like a lot of money for a 5 mile long project.  I'm not in this line or work so maybe someone who is can chime in.  I'm wondering if that low bid is a function of really being low or the bid was high enough that they don't really give a shit how long the job takes.

a lot of the project was bridge work over the Saline River.  Bridge work is much more expensive than regular road work.

[buff2.0]

Meanwhile when you send it out for a design-build contract you get this... I love Burns & Mac even though they do have a habit of putting twice as much rebar in footings as necessary.

https://www.burnsmcd.com/projects/30-crossing-design-build

[Elblancodiablo]

McGeorge can do it.

So could kiewitt, what's your point?

[DrMongoose]

Meanwhile when you send it out for a design-build contract you get this... I love Burns & Mac even though they do have a habit of putting twice as much rebar in footings as necessary.

https://www.burnsmcd.com/projects/30-crossing-design-build

Is this good or bad ?

[Doc Hogaday]

It's been real, you guys

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[buff2.0]

Is this good or bad ?

The geniuses sent that project out to an all-star design-build team, and it's going to finish on schedule and provide for more traffic flow than the rest of Little Rock can handle. I say it's good.

The double rebar comment comes from what one of Burns' engineers told me on a hangar project I was inspecting. I called him because there was no room to install anchor bolts before concrete placement. "Oh yeah just take out whatever bars you need. I put twice as much rebar in there because I got tired of seeing contractors only install half as much as we designed."

[Elblancodiablo]

The geniuses sent that project out to an all-star design-build team, and it's going to finish on schedule and provide for more traffic flow than the rest of Little Rock can handle. I say it's good.

The double rebar comment comes from what one of Burns' engineers told me on a hangar project I was inspecting. I called him because there was no room to install anchor bolts before concrete placement. "Oh yeah just take out whatever bars you need. I put twice as much rebar in there because I got tired of seeing contractors only install half as much as we designed."

Smart man

[Elblancodiablo]

It's been real, you guys

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Did you make it? Is EE in shambles?

[Thin Red Swine]

It's been real, you guys

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I was today years old when I realized it's Shinall, not Chenal, Mountain.

I guess I just always assumed since there was Chenal Valley...

[Guardrail]

Did you make it? Is EE in shambles?

I saw some photos of trees down out there between Sardis and EE. I don't know if it was wind or a 'nader though.

[Spiderham]

I was today years old when I realized it's Shinall, not Chenal, Mountain.

I guess I just always assumed since there was Chenal Valley...

The mountain is named after the Shinall family that owned most of the land. 
When they created the neighborhood they wanted a "fancy" French feel to it and changed it to Chenal. 

[Thin Red Swine]

The mountain is named after the Shinall family that owned most of the land.
When they created the neighborhood they wanted a "fancy" French feel to it and changed it to Chenal.

I have no idea how I never knew that.

It makes sense for that crowd though.