Sam Pittman Tread of Stupidity, Despair, Frustration

[Pumpkin Escobar]

Well, definitely don't need a coach who can take 4 and 3 star talent and turn them in 2 and 1 star talent.

[Barton Fink]

I'm not sure we have 2 star talent on defense. (sans Rhodes)

[piglosopher]

We can start with a new mentality and that's an interim

[HTL]

I'm not sure we have 2 star talent on defense. (sans Rhodes)

#1 is okay. Other than that...woof.

[Pumpkin Escobar]

I'm not sure we have 2 star talent on defense. (sans Rhodes)

You need to let go of the talent rope. We have enough talent to not be pathetic. This team is soft and doesn't have a winning mindset or culture. That's coaching and lack of leadership amongst the players.

[Thin Red Swine]

You're right. We just need a coach who can turn that 3 star talent into 5 star talent. Simple enough.

Fuck trying to get better talent. That's a waste of time.

No one is saying that. But it's not the sole solution. 

Petrino got them to play like 5s when they weren't. Holtz did that. It can still be done.

Our history shows we're not going to get a lot of elite talent.

[Thin Red Swine]

You need to let go of the talent rope. We have enough talent to not be pathetic. This team is soft and doesn't have a winning mindset or culture. That's coaching and lack of leadership amongst the players.

This. The talent margin across programs is very thin anyway.

[HTL]

No one is saying that. But it's not the sole solution. 

Petrino got them to play like 5s when they weren't. Holtz did that. It can still be done.

Our history shows we're not going to get a lot of elite talent.

Petrino had very high end talent to work with on that offense. Defense was bad.

[Son of Spam]

This. The talent margin across programs is very thin anyway.

It's not very thin. However, we always seem to look really small compared to other teams to me.

[DirkPiggler]

This. The talent margin across programs is very thin anyway.

Exactly. 

People see 3 star vs 5 star and think the latter is 67% better.  In reality it's more like 95 vs 85 and a 10-12% difference between the worst and best rosters at this level.  Coaching can either close that gap or, in our case, magnify it.

When Petrino was here first time the 85s played like 90-95s.  With Pittman the 85s turn into 75s or worse.

[The Cowboy Tiger]

The continued hatred for Nutt is kinda funny.  I hated him too and the underachieving and the lack of discipline penalties, flirting with Nebraska, all the yokels with the "good Christian man" nonsense, and the way he left. There's still a lot to reflect on and not like.  There were missed opportunities - 1999 as the most glaring example, 0-fer November, 'that was a called play', 'hello Mr Interception King.'  On and on it goes.

However, looking back on his 10 years and Petrino's four, we had an overall winning record in the SEC. 

I see everyone on Twatter talking about how Pittman is 'an exceptional/great human being, but...' type of bullshit.  How would they even know that?  He's fat so that makes him non-threatening to other fat people I guess.  What does that have to do with winning?  More than you'd think.  It takes determined, disciplined, almost psychopathic-minded overachieving men to be good at this type of thing.  Physiognomy check says it won't be a wide-bodied diabetic.

We didn't know the good years when we were in them. Our future is behind us and it feels like it's always been behind us. 

Embrace the horror.

[dhog]

Notice every time they showed our sideline, particularly Pittman, there was no one motivating, talking to or trying to get the players up. The old saying, "a fish stinks from its head down", applies. Pittman could not motivate anyone to HY.

[Barton Fink]

Never once habe I said it was the only issue. Everyone wants to fire the coach who is under contract and would have to be bought out. My point all along is if you wanted to win more games, bringing in better talent would help make that happen sooner. Rather than waiting for a buyout to drop.

You can't say we would not have won more games the last few years if we did what TT has done.

[Son of Spam]

1969 Sugar Bowl. Arkansas vs Georgia. We were way smaller than they were, but our offensive/defensive plans won it for us 16-2. We shot gaps and used a different style of blocking. And we used speed to beat them. We were small, but fast. I remember a picture showing nearly every man on the defensive line in their backfield on one play. That is coaching. I think if I were a coach, I would instruct one of my defensive coaches to work up a scheme to defeat my offense. Then I would plan on that happening and scheme accordingly. Same on defense.

[Thin Red Swine]

Notice every time they showed our sideline, particularly Pittman, there was no one motivating, talking to or trying to get the players up. The old saying, "a fish stinks from its head down", applies. Pittman could not motivate anyone to HY.

Yeah, I'd just like to look at the sideline and not see a head coach on our sideline with a disinterested or dumbfounded look and/or with a mouth agape catching flies.

I mean, I feel like that's a pretty low hurdle.

[passed]

Never once habe I said it was the only issue. Everyone wants to fire the coach who is under contract and would have to be bought out. My point all along is if you wanted to win more games, bringing in better talent would help make that happen sooner. Rather than waiting for a buyout to drop.

You can't say we would not have won more games the last few years if we did what TT has done.

We may have won a couple more games over the years, but I don't think it would be much.  Our biggest issue there is a culture of losing.  We give up leads and collapse under pressure and lose how many by a score?  Even better talent can't fix a culture issue... instead they usually collapse into it themselves.

[Thin Red Swine]

Never once habe I said it was the only issue. Everyone wants to fire the coach who is under contract and would have to be bought out. My point all along is if you wanted to win more games, bringing in better talent would help make that happen sooner. Rather than waiting for a buyout to drop.

You can't say we would not have won more games the last few years if we did what TT has done.

Fair enough. I will stop sniping at you.

And I did acknowledge we would win more with better players. Of course we would.

It's frustration coming out in all of us. It just feels pretty hopeless at the moment.

[Barton Fink]

I just want to win. I want to do EVERYTHING we possibly can to win. Do everything we can to bring in the best of the best.

When we were looking for a coach mo one wanted it. We feel to Pittman. Ok, NIL can at least get you elite talent if you're willing to go all in. We chose not to.

Now what do we have? A program with a statue HC and shit for talent. Go sell that to the next guy. 

[Son of Spam]

I think one of our big problems is evaluating talent. We are not good at it.

[Barton Fink]

Fair enough. I will stop sniping at you.

And I did acknowledge we would win more with better players. Of course we would.

It's frustration coming out in all of us. It just feels pretty hopeless at the moment.

You're last sentence sums it up well.