The NEXT Coach

[BleedinRed]

Same.

Sumrall isn't a name who's going to generate a ton of buzz in our braindead fan base, but he'd be a great hire.

This year they got blown out by Ole Miss 45-10 and have played no one else. 

In 2024 they got blown out by Oklahoma and Florida and lost to Kansas state by a TD.  All other wins were against shitty teams. 

Much the same in his two years at Troy.  He has never fielded a team that beat anyone they were not supposed to or a big name school.  

I know I'm brain dead but I don't see the evidence that supports the position that he would be a great hire.  

[buff2.0]

This year they got blown out by Ole Miss 45-10 and have played no one else.

In 2024 they got blown out by Oklahoma and Florida and lost to Kansas state by a TD.  All other wins were against shitty teams.

Much the same in his two years at Troy.  He has never fielded a team that beat anyone they were not supposed to or a big name school. 

I know I'm brain dead but I don't see the evidence that supports the position that he would be a great hire. 

Do you really think we learned our lesson after hiring Chad over Cornrows? 

Granted Cornrows has made the program-killing mistakes of bringing in DJU and then hiring Gus, but at Memphis he kicked Chad's SMU ass when they played.

[DirkPiggler]

This year they got blown out by Ole Miss 45-10 and have played no one else.

In 2024 they got blown out by Oklahoma and Florida and lost to Kansas state by a TD.  All other wins were against shitty teams.

Much the same in his two years at Troy.  He has never fielded a team that beat anyone they were not supposed to or a big name school. 

I know I'm brain dead but I don't see the evidence that supports the position that he would be a great hire. 

The biggest piece of evidence against Sumrall is that he hired and kept the same OC as Morris had here. 

He's Sun Belt Billy 2.0.   Pass. 

[Texzilla]

I agree the shape of the hog is cool, but someone added the popcorn, which is not cool.

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so where's 64-66?

[Texzilla]

I hope no one is expecting us to turn it around after hiring another coach. It will take years for that to happen. Whoever we hire, we are going to have to let them have several years to try and get a decent team. We had better be patient. But, I do expect to see improvement every year. If not, NEXT!

That's old timey thinking.  Teams change every year due to portal and nil now; a good coach can flip it fast.  This requires a different coaching philosophy; the old reliance on growing freshmen for five years is dead.

Coaches have to let go of the old loyalties of playing seniors over better talent under them.  Sam still lived that outdated paradigm; you play your best players as you might get fired otherwise.

With nil and portal no reason a new coach can't turn it around fast.  Timing sucks as new portal date is before CFP.  Stupid.  Will CFP teams lose a shitton of players? 

It points to advantages keeping bmfp but he needs to hurry and show something.  If the defense gave up 45 to offense's 42, that's an issue.  These q4 offensive collapses, lack of. 2nd half scoring, and all these turnovers point right at Bobby.

[Son of Spam]

A lot of coaches people are mentioning mostly have decent teams right now. If you have a pretty good QB, a decent RB or two, and a workable OL/DL, you can win while coaching most teams. In our case, we have very little of those things. We have a decent RB, a QB that turns into a head case several times a game, and a pretty good receiving corps. However, I don't think there is a coach in the nation right now that could salvage our defense. As for the portal, what player in their right mind would want to come here if we don't have the NIL? What coach? We may end up with Bobby and that is fine with me. Maybe he can turn things around.....next year.

[Barton Fink]

Preach

[Borenutz]

For better or worse, it seems like we need to flush the Bobby appetite out of our system. We don't hire him, the bmfp huggers (seems like the majority of at least average IQ fans) will still be salivating over Bobby and wishing he'd have gotten the chance to finish what he was building here before the yankee ousted him unjustly.

We hire him to a fair contract and give him decent enough tools to win, he has shown to have a blueprint for being successful here. If unsuccessful, the ship sails and it's easy to move on at this point and close the BP chapter.

It's kind of similar to bringing Mike back home. We just have to exorcise this demon.

[Barton Fink]

Like SoS said, we have to commit to winning. Otherwise the only coach we get is going to be looking for a pay day. I want a coach to come in knowing he has everything in place to compete in the SEC.

Our state puts out very little SEC level talent. The kids that are SEC level are getting more money to go to out ofcstate schools. The biggest schools in surrounding states are all now in the SEC.

We have a significant disadvantage. Until that is fixed, we are who we are and no really good coach would take the job.

[animal]

My criteria for hiring a coach goes as follows.


1. If you are going to hire a older guy...might as well hire Petrino who wants to be here and see how it goes. 

2. If you are going to otherwise hire a "retread" don't hire these fucking guys that are only coming for free money. The ones that have already made millions are probably aren't overly "hungry" but just coming to collect pay.

3. Prefer head coaching experience and prefer a coach that had to build something making use of whatever resources he had...think guy that has done well at multiple levels.

4. Has to embrace the recent changes to college football...not pay it lip service. Someone who is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

5. Did he write a book? Yes...fuck him. No...can he read someone else's god damn book? 

[DrMongoose]

we can bitch about money, nil, etc. - but the bottom line is there is talent to be found out there - but it has to be identified which our staff has failed to do for the last 4 years and when they do identify it, it doesn't seem to be used. The Georgia approach is nice when you are Georgia, but Georgia we are not.

Vanderbilt has done it, Missouri has done it, we have not.

My goodness, they thought this defense could compete in the SEC. Who the hell is evaluating the recruits/transfers?

If you keep Petrino - what is his staff going to look like?

[Thin Red Swine]

The biggest piece of evidence against Sumrall is that he hired and kept the same OC as Morris had here. 

He's Sun Belt Billy 2.0.   Pass. 

Billy is SwampChad. So would this make Sumrall be HillBilly?

[Lurk]

I just don't think he's a good fit. Idk why but I think he'd get chewed up in the sec. 

I will say that I think he's a good guy, even moreso than Pittman. I wouldn't be pissed about him, but It would be more of the same. I think he would be an upgrade over Pittman but not to a large degree.

I don't get why he's not on the national radar more. Young, winning at Memphis, lots of job openings. I don't know anything about him other than his record.

East Arkansas folks that get Memphis channels probably know why. Fill me in.

[Barton Fink]

Keep in mind, we're trying to hire a coach right after our AD said we didn't give the precious coach what he needed to win. Let that sync in.

Who wants to sign up for that?

[Too Big Pig]

For better or worse, it seems like we need to flush the Bobby appetite out of our system. We don't hire him, the bmfp huggers (seems like the majority of at least average IQ fans) will still be salivating over Bobby and wishing he'd have gotten the chance to finish what he was building here before the yankee ousted him unjustly.

We hire him to a fair contract and give him decent enough tools to win, he has shown to have a blueprint for being successful here. If unsuccessful, the ship sails and it's easy to move on at this point and close the BP chapter.

It's kind of similar to bringing Mike back home. We just have to exorcise this demon.

This is exactly what I had said several times.  If it isn't Petrino, we will continue to play the "what ifs" over and over in our heads, especially if we get another mediocre coach.  We need to give Bobby 4 years and then we can all move on.

[buff2.0]

The NEXT coach is probably somewhere hiding from the ESPN cameras right now while he watches the Florida @ Arkansas women's volleyball match.

[Borenutz]

we can bitch about money, nil, etc. - but the bottom line is there is talent to be found out there - but it has to be identified which our staff has failed to do for the last 4 years and when they do identify it, it doesn't seem to be used. The Georgia approach is nice when you are Georgia, but Georgia we are not.

Vanderbilt has done it, Missouri has done it, we have not.

My goodness, they thought this defense could compete in the SEC. Who the hell is evaluating the recruits/transfers?

If you keep Petrino - what is his staff going to look like?

Wasnt the take on BMFP 1.0 that he was an excellent talent evaluator and making 2 and 3 stars into legit 4-5 star type guys? Maybe he "missed" on Green, but Green has the physical tools to be the best QB in the SEC. Not sure why Bobby has had 3rd quarter woes this year, but overall our offense hasn't been the issue except for careless turnover issues. I suspect he's put a lot more time and effort into assisting the defensive staff over the past few weeks.

[vegashog]

Keep in mind, we're trying to hire a coach right after our AD said we didn't give the precious coach what he needed to win. Let that sync in.

Who wants to sign up for that?

the football program got 75% of the settlement money. that's all the school can do.

not defending yurachek, but he was talking about booster money. it had pretty much dried up after the 4-8 season, so he can certainly be asked why he didn't can pittman sooner, but you know the excuse given.

[HTL]

Wasnt the take on BMFP 1.0 that he was an excellent talent evaluator and making 2 and 3 stars into legit 4-5 star type guys? Maybe he "missed" on Green, but Green has the physical tools to be the best QB in the SEC. Not sure why Bobby has had 3rd quarter woes this year, but overall our offense hasn't been the issue except for careless turnover issues. I suspect he's put a lot more time and effort into assisting the defensive staff over the past few weeks.

Absolutely not. His best players the first time around were 4 and 5 stars. Just a stupid narrative. He and McGee made the rounds after they signed that lousy class in the Sugar Bowl year touting their evaluation skills. Arguably the worst class we've ever had.

[animal]

Absolutely not. His best players the first time around were 4 and 5 stars. Just a stupid narrative. He and McGee made the rounds after they signed that lousy class in the Sugar Bowl year touting their evaluation skills. Arguably the worst class we've ever had.

We were known for a lot of classes that were rerated higher than initially believed during the Petrino years is what I recall.