Other College Football

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buff2.0

Quote from: Feral on Dec 24, 2023, 03:29 PMSame. I'd watch every bowl game from the middle of December through the NC game, including the early bowls with mid-majors which were usually the most fun.

My interest in college football in general has taken a major nosedive to the point I've stopped giving a shit entirely. It obviously doesn't help that the UA has been teh suck, but this entire model — from the economics of coaching contacts to the portal to NIL insanity — has turned me off. Ever since the O'Bannon case, the ensuing class action ruling, and Covid, this sport has been on a path to self-destruction.

I've started following — and ultimately caring way more about — the NFL, which actually has collective bargaining and guardrails around free agency and player pay to maintain a semblance of competitive parity and not predicated on the whims of 18 year olds.

All that.  Younger me up through high school cared a lot more about the NFL and even considered late-regular season NFL to be just another part of the most wonderful time of the year along with Christmas.  And then I started caring more about college than the NFL until recently.  Now that it appears Jordan Love is capable of bringing life after Aaron Rodgers I'm starting to veer back to the NFL.

The NCAA and power conferences can try all they want to create professional college football.  It won't ever provide the same on-field product as the League.  I'll just sit back and watch college football start to fill up with records set by players who will never make as much money in the NFL as their NIL deals provide... looking at you, KJ.  At least, that's until everyone embraces the unrestricted free agency that we have now.  I'll miss Rivalry Week.
"That's embarrassing.  Looks like Josh Duggar when his parents asked him to babysit."

For $7 mil I'll put a webcam in front of my shitter so I can answer fan questions while I drop the Longhorns off in College Station.

Once authored a post that critics claimed, "Was notaslibro level."

animal

Utah vs Northwestern is a real retard fight thus far.
"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

Feral

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Quote from: buff2.0 on Dec 24, 2023, 04:39 PMThe NCAA and power conferences can try all they want to create professional college football.  It won't ever provide the same on-field product as the League. 

That's what college football has devolved into. A shitty, disorganized attempt at being a semi-pro league with better branding.

There used to be a set of parameters that set college football apart from the NFL to where they could each be enjoyable in their own respective contexts (amateurism, regional pride, historical rivalries, etc). Those lines that used to delineate college ball from the NFL no longer exist, and thus begs the question what its value prop is anymore, especially since there's no governance, structure, or foundational set of rules. It's just a godawful, shitty, disorganized mess in the wake of the class action suit after the O'Bannon case, and that genie isn't going back in the bottle.

Ed O'Bannon might've had pure intentions, but he ultimately did more damage to college athletics than anyone in the 21st century. As they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Maybe the NCAA powers that be, for all their many faults, knew this was the slippery slope that came with name-image-likeness and pay for play.

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: Feral on Dec 24, 2023, 10:22 PMThat's what college football has devolved into. A shitty, disorganized attempt at being a semi-pro league with better branding.

There used to be a set of parameters that set college football apart from the NFL to where they could each be enjoyable in their own respective contexts (amateurism, regional pride, historical rivalries, etc). Those lines that used to delineate college ball from the NFL no longer exist, and thus begs the question what its value prop is anymore, especially since there's no governance, structure, or foundational set of rules. It's just a godawful, shitty, disorganized mess in the wake of the class action suit after the O'Bannon case, and that genie isn't going back in the bottle.

Ed O'Bannon might've had pure intentions, but he ultimately did more damage to college athletics than anyone in the 21st century. As they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Maybe the NCAA powers that be, for all their many faults, knew this was the slippery slope that came with name-image-likeness and pay for play.

That's exactly right. That's why they fought it so long.  Football will survive in one way or another, but the revenue stream will eventually be separated from the other sports and they all will be greatly diminished.  Even basketball and baseball will be dropped or reduced to D III status at lots of places.  Women's sport will mostly go away.

HOGSRUNWILD

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 25, 2023, 07:37 AMThat's exactly right. That's why they fought it so long.  Football will survive in one way or another, but the revenue stream will eventually be separated from the other sports and they all will be greatly diminished.  Even basketball and baseball will be dropped or reduced to D III status at lots of places.  Women's sport will mostly go away.

Between Title IX and NIL, sports have suffered.

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Dec 25, 2023, 08:56 AMBetween Title IX and NIL, sports have suffered.

Title IX will be mostly going away.  It won't be repealed or anything.  It will still be on the books.  But it just won't apply to much anymore.  Title IX was written for an amateur and non-profit model.  It won't apply to a professional model.  If male college athletes in football (and probably basketball to a smaller degree) are to be paid professional athletes, by what legal measure can they be made to pay for and support unprofitable women's sports?

jdcatty

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Dec 25, 2023, 09:14 AMTitle IX will be mostly going away.  It won't be repealed or anything.  It will still be on the books.  But it just won't apply to much anymore.  Title IX was written for an amateur and non-profit model.  It won't apply to a professional model.  If male college athletes in football (and probably basketball to a smaller degree) are to be paid professional athletes, by what legal measure can they be made to pay for and support unprofitable women's sports?

It will be interesting to see if this is correct. I personally don't see any way for a court to apply Title IX to this situation, but apparently somebody has a theory.  There is already a case pending in Oregon, I think, on this very issue.
Apparently retarded member of the "fucking old people" crowd as defined by Swahili Steve.

Son of Spam

Why does a 30 second time out usually last a minute and a half?
Well, shit...

Cornhogio

Quote from: jdcatty on Dec 25, 2023, 12:48 PMIt will be interesting to see if this is correct. I personally don't see any way for a court to apply Title IX to this situation, but apparently somebody has a theory.  There is already a case pending in Oregon, I think, on this very issue.

This could be a reason that the NIL collectives don't have a direct tie to the schools.  I believe that Title IX determined that the Razorback Foundation and other similar orgs are part of the schools, and as such, scholarships have to be distributed equally.  If so, I'm all for the firewall. 
Never squat with your spurs on!

Show-Me Hog

This Minnesota QB girlfriend in the stands....not quite Katherine Webb level, but only about one notch below.

Son of Spam

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Dec 26, 2023, 03:17 PMThis Minnesota QB girlfriend in the stands....not quite Katherine Webb level, but only about one notch below.
The camera crew has been enthralled with her most of the game.
Well, shit...

mde114

Malik Hornsby must feel snakebite transferring away from Kj and running into competing against TJ Finley at Texas State.

Papa Pigeritus

Same guy from Texas State with two pick sixes.

jdcatty

Swing pass/lateral to the big Olineman for a td was kinda fun.
Apparently retarded member of the "fucking old people" crowd as defined by Swahili Steve.

animal

I don't know about the rest of you but Beth Mowins just makes my pecker go in the wrong direction.

Kansas 21
Unlv 7


Love watching Kansas play...I'm sure that coach will be snatched up by a serious football program before we are able to over pay for him.


"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

DrMongoose

Check your damn blood pressure!

"They've got to do a better job preparing our young men and putting them in positions to be succesful." - Hunter Yurachek 9/15/25

Cornhogio

Since when does Odom make half time adjustments?  28-24 KU now.  Officiating seems to be run in' with the rebels.
Never squat with your spurs on!

DrMongoose

Check your damn blood pressure!

"They've got to do a better job preparing our young men and putting them in positions to be succesful." - Hunter Yurachek 9/15/25

buff2.0

Kirby Smart says "Guys that are completely healthy and cleared to play, they've all said they're going to play," in the Orange Bowl.  Texas loses against OU in the regular season - Playoff.  Georgia loses against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game - no playoff, and pissed.  Orange Bowl is looking uglier by the day.

40 opt outs.  2 of those were Georgia.

Meanwhile, here's the current list of Florida State players out for that game, per reddit.

QB1-Travis (injury)
QB2-Tate (transfer)
QB4-Duffy (transfer)
RB1-Benson (opt out)
RB2-Toafili (injury)
RB3-Hill (transfer)
RB5-Campbell (transfer)
WR1-Coleman (opt out)
WR2-Wilson (opt out)
TE1-Bell (opt out)
TE3-Douglas (transfer)
C2-Schrader (transfer)
RT2-Harris (transfer)
DE1-Verse (opt out)
DT2-Lovett (opt out)
LB3-Lundy (transfer)
CB1- Green (opt out)
NICK1-Jones (opt out)
SS1-Dent (opt out)
Probably out:
DT3- Farmer (injury)

"That's embarrassing.  Looks like Josh Duggar when his parents asked him to babysit."

For $7 mil I'll put a webcam in front of my shitter so I can answer fan questions while I drop the Longhorns off in College Station.

Once authored a post that critics claimed, "Was notaslibro level."

buff2.0

Also Texas State fans drank all the alcohol in the stadium with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd.
"That's embarrassing.  Looks like Josh Duggar when his parents asked him to babysit."

For $7 mil I'll put a webcam in front of my shitter so I can answer fan questions while I drop the Longhorns off in College Station.

Once authored a post that critics claimed, "Was notaslibro level."