Razorback Football

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vegashog

Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2024, 08:30 PMMarginally better means you beat OSU and are 6-4. Congrats. People will still bitch and be unsatisfied.

I wanna get better players which would also attract a better coach. You fire Pittman, have a mid tier roster, a shit NIL, and you're gonna get what you deserve. Enjoy Barry Odom and the likes...
kind of the point when i mentioned him.

AporkalypseNow

Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2024, 08:23 PMSo you just want to be marginally better?

If I did then I'd pony up NIL money so Pittman could have slightly better players.

I think you have the players/coach thing backwards.  In the NIL/transfer era the coach brings the players.

You can build in 2 years instead of 4.

The Whyte Boar

College football is more than any sport, about the coach.  NIL hasn't changed that.

Barton Fink

Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 18, 2024, 08:34 PMIf I did then I'd pony up NIL money so Pittman could have slightly better players.

I think you have the players/coach thing backwards.  In the NIL/transfer era the coach brings the players.

You can build in 2 years instead of 4.

I don't get it. Let's not try to win and improve the program because we want to get a coach "we think" is a little better. We've hired shitty coach after shitty coach. We are a program that has serious disadvantages. If I was a good coach, why the hell would I want to coach here?

Barton Fink

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 18, 2024, 08:37 PMCollege football is more than any sport, about the coach.  NIL hasn't changed that.

It's also the sport where good coaches are few and far between.

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2024, 08:43 PMI don't get it. Let's not try to win and improve the program because we want to get a coach "we think" is a little better. We've hired shitty coach after shitty coach. We are a program that has serious disadvantages. If I was a good coach, why the hell would I want to coach here?

Why should anyone give money to a program that doesn't want to improve?  And why would anyone respond to your message of, "We can barely compete because we're poor.  Give more of your money sk that we can win one or two more meaningless games."?

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2024, 08:44 PMIt's also the sport where good coaches are few and far between.

Not really.  There are a hundred guys who would do a better job than Fatboy.

Barton Fink

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 18, 2024, 08:47 PMNot really.  There are a hundred guys who would do a better job than Fatboy.

We've hired worse...

The Whyte Boar


bigpig

Lashley, Odom, it doesn't matter. They're all Shrodinger's Disappointment:

If we hire him, he will disappoint.
If we pass on him, he will get hired by another SEC school and dominate us.
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Barton Fink

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 18, 2024, 08:46 PMWhy should anyone give money to a program that doesn't want to improve?  And why would anyone respond to your message of, "We can barely compete because we're poor.  Give more of your money sk that we can win one or two more meaningless games."?

Why would a coach want to come to a program that the fans don't want to improve?

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2024, 08:49 PMWhy would a coach want to come to a program that the fans don't want to improve?

We do want to improve.  We want to fire an underperforming coach and get someone who can do better. 

AporkalypseNow

We are the only major program in the country that would've considered Pittman, the only one that ever did.

We thought we had Kiffen locked and went after Drink. Both are winning at crap programs.

I said "above average" would be an improvement and apparently you thought I was saying Pittman was a notch below that.  I wasn't.  He's a good, likeable guy who has no business as an SEC head coach, he's not average but well below it, just not Morris awful (nobody is, it was one of the worst ever hires by a major program).

Barton Fink

Quote from: bigpig on Nov 18, 2024, 08:48 PMLashley, Odom, it doesn't matter. They're all Shrodinger's Disappointment:

If we hire him, he will disappoint.
If we pass on him, he will get hired by another SEC school and dominate us.

Kind how I feel.

Barton Fink

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Quote from: AporkalypseNow on Nov 18, 2024, 08:50 PMWe are the only major program in the country that would've considered Pittman, the only one that ever did.

We thought we had Kiffen locked and went after Drink. Both are winning at crap programs.

I said "above average" would be an improvement and apparently you thought I was saying Pittman was a notch below that.  I wasn't.  He's a good, likeable guy who has no business as an SEC head coach, he's not average but well below it, just not Morris awful (nobody is, it was one of the worst ever hires by a major program).

Don't forget we where the worst P5 program in the country when he was horex AND we were paying Morris and Bert. Nobody wanted our job. Unattractive program you get an unattractive hire.

Lurk

We're Arkansas and we're fucking cursed.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times."

Barton Fink

Quote from: Lurk on Nov 18, 2024, 08:56 PMWe're Arkansas and we're fucking cursed.

Also correct.

Borenutz

The more this season goes on and the Pittman era, the more I think that we arguably have the talent on the roster to compete in most sec games even this year. Most of our games have been within earshot of winning, besides ole miss. It just takes that coach that is ultra focused on every minute detail to gain that edge, especially when the talent doesn't just overwhelm. If we can't find that guy, you might as well ride the Pittit motorboat for another year. 

Barton Fink

If we could pass block up front, we likely have a different record. That is the most frustrating part about Pittman. Our weakest link each year which is his specialty.

DirkPiggler

Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 18, 2024, 08:30 PMMarginally better means you beat OSU and are 6-4. Congrats. People will still bitch and be unsatisfied.

I wanna get better players which would also attract a better coach. You fire Pittman, have a mid tier roster, a shit NIL, and you're gonna get what you deserve. Enjoy Barry Odom and the likes...

Marginally better this year likely means 7-3 (we were in position to beat aTm without the critical turnovers which well coached teams don't seem to have as often). 

Marginally better last year would've been 6-6 and a crap bowl in a down year (beat inferior teams BYU and MSU). 

Marginally better in 2022 gets us to 9-3 or 10-2. 

Making marginal improvement in talent through NIL would maybe net 1-2 wins per year.   Simply upgrading from below average to average would do the same, and would also increase the likelihood of getting the talent boost through NIL as well. 
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