Razorback Football

[HTL]

The backstabbers are gone.

[BleedinRed]

Who said anything about using it to pay football players except for you?  I just said it was ten million or more in revenue that Arkansas is not collecting that all of it's competitors do.  Most schools have done it for 50 years or more.

[DirkPiggler]

Doens't make it right to pay football players through student financing.  Seems retarded actually.  But, my kid doens't go to Arkansas so you guys do what you do!  I support it if the Hogs land better talent.

I looked up School of Mines.  They do charge an athletic fee.  It isn't used to pay players in the vein of NIL.  It is used to fund equipment, facilities, coaching, and scholarships. 

I further looked up what schools can do with the athetic fee and it appears that under federal regualtion schools are prohibited from paying student-athletes salaries.  I suspect the athetic fees that you guys are refrening that every school charges is used in the same manner.  So, that atheltic fee you want Arkansas to charge won't pay the salaries of the atheletes.

So that $10MM or so could be used to pay other athletic department expenses, freeing up funds from other sources to cover expenses currently paid through the foundation.  Which in turn would allow foundation money to go towards NIL and/or revenue sharing. 

I get that you have a problem with it.  Students who want to help fund athletics should be able to choose to do so through ticket purchases and the like.  Those who don't care about athletics shouldn't have to pay for them in a perfect world. But if you want to see the team win in this era, you have to exhaust every possible legal revenue stream.

[BleedinRed]

This is a textbook example of someone making up an argument out of whole cloth, defeating it, and declaring victory even when shown his original contention was wrong. lol

What?  I didn't decalre victory.  I simply said it is reatrded to force students, their parents, and/or the debt financing industry to fund college athletics.  I don't think it is right.  You clearly think there is nothing wrong with it.  It is okay to disagree.

[DirkPiggler]

Time to promote Che Hendrix, currently a defensive analyst, to a full time role.

Oh by the way, his son is the FHS QB and highly recruited for the class of 2027.  Getting his name on the commitment list would likely be a feather in BMFP's cap towards getting him the full time gig.

[BleedinRed]

So that $10MM or so could be used to pay other athletic department expenses, freeing up funds from other sources to cover expenses currently paid through the foundation.  Which in turn would allow foundation money to go towards NIL and/or revenue sharing. 

I get that you have a problem with it.  Students who want to help fund athletics should be able to choose to do so through ticket purchases and the like.  Those who don't care about athletics shouldn't have to pay for them in a perfect world. But if you want to see the team win in this era, you have to exhaust every possible legal revenue stream.

What expenses are paid by the foundation that could be shifted to the school if they charged an athletic fee?  According to the googles UARK Department of Intercollegiate Athletics is designed to be financially self-sustaining; meaning it generates its own revenue to cover its expenses.

[Show-Me Hog]

What?  I didn't decalre victory.  I simply said it is reatrded to force students, their parents, and/or the debt financing industry to fund college athletics.  I don't think it is right.  You clearly think there is nothing wrong with it.  It is okay to disagree.

I happen to agree with you. And since it is simply a matter of personal preference and opinion, that's the end of the inquiry.

[The Whyte Boar]

What expenses are paid by the foundation that could be shifted to the school if they charged an athletic fee?  According to the googles UARK Department of Intercollegiate Athletics is designed to be financially self-sustaining; meaning it generates its own revenue to cover its expenses.

Who said anything about the Foundation with regard to an athletic fee? lol

[The Whyte Boar]

We all know this means BMFP will be coordinating with the defense as well. 

[Show-Me Hog]

We all know this means BMFP will be coordinating with the defense as well. 

As the head coach, he might even be setting lifting schedules and choosing helmet colors.

[BleedinRed]

Who said anything about the Foundation with regard to an athletic fee? lol

So that $10MM or so could be used to pay other athletic department expenses, freeing up funds from other sources to cover expenses currently paid through the foundation.  Which in turn would allow foundation money to go towards NIL and/or revenue sharing.

You need to read what people write a few times before you respond.

[The Whyte Boar]

As the head coach, he might even be setting lifting schedules and choosing helmet colors.

With Petrino, yeah he is. lol

DJ Williams was talking about him planning the bus routes to the stadium and crawling all up in someone's ass because the bus crossed some railroad tracks.

[Usafhawg]

I looked a few other schools out of curiosity. This is what I was able to find relating to some of our competitors:

The University of Alabama does not charge a mandatory athletic student fee; instead, students can purchase a season ticket package for football, which increased in price for the 2025 season to $256. A membership program called Yea Alabama also offers optional tiers for students who want to support student-athletes, starting at $5 per month.

Looks like Auburn charges $113 per semester

Kentucky has lots of fees (technology, Student Center, Student Center renovation, activities board, health fee, etc) that total almost $700 per semester, but it doesn't appear any go towards athletics (could be totally wrong about that)

The University of Florida (UF) athletic fee is $1.90 per credit hour for the 2025-26 academic year for on-campus, undergraduate students, funding services such as access to athletic events.

The student athletic fee at the University of Texas is primarily represented by "The Big Ticket," which is an optional annual sports pass for access to most Texas Athletics home regular season events, including football, basketball, and more. The Big Ticket is available for purchase with or without football access and provides general admission seating, with a physical student ID required for entry.

The University of South Carolina has a new mandatory, annual $300 Athletics Auxiliary Fee for undergraduate students, which is applied at a rate of $150 per semester, starting with the 2025-26 academic year. This fee is designed to cover increased operating costs for athletic programs, maintain student access and ticket lotteries for events, and enhance the overall student experience at USC sporting venues. 

The University of Missouri has a Student Activity Fee which is $304.80 per semester. The Student Activity Fee is a mandatory fee that provides funding to campus programs and services that students can utilize (not sure if this goes towards athletics or not). In addition they can purchase a ZOU pass which gets them access to all home sporting events



Got tired of googling, but it doesn't appear that ALL schools are doing this. It also appears that USC-E just started this year.

[DirkPiggler]

What expenses are paid by the foundation that could be shifted to the school if they charged an athletic fee?  According to the googles UARK Department of Intercollegiate Athletics is designed to be financially self-sustaining; meaning it generates its own revenue to cover its expenses.

I can think of about $3.3MM per year over the next three years off the top of my head, although there are rumors that contributors stepped up to cover this expense.

[piglosopher]

Williams, Woodson, and loser Deke are fired

Dayum
 
Not disagreeing but that's alot of new people that need to get a defense ready for a game in less than 2 weeks. Then again, I'm not sure that unit can literally be any worse.

[animal]

Dayum
 
Not disagreeing but that's alot of new people that need to get a defense ready for a game in less than 2 weeks. Then again, I'm not sure that unit can literally be any worse.

We got plenty of support staff. But it won't shock me if they don't bring on someone from the outside to be an "analyst" that sits up in the booth and makes play "suggestions" for really good money. 

I'm not sure I'd want to put my name on this bunch of L's without there being something in it for me. 

[Show-Me Hog]

Bigger picture, Josh Pate said on his SEC round up last night that he's been in NWA and there's plenty of money there.  He said the coaching job will be very attractive to anyone who knows this (instead of thinking "poor little Arkansas") and can work it so that the Walmart and other millionaires link up to the athletic program. (Like Tyson with Cal, although he didn't say that).  He also said anyone who thinks "revenue sharing" is the answer to player pay is not playing the game right.  He said a differentiator (what are you going to do for me beyond what everyone is getting on a schedule) will determine who gets the best players.

Absolutely none of this is new or surprising to a woopigger, but just relating that a national guy is speaking the same language.

[Pig Benis]

Bigger picture, Josh Pate said on his SEC round up last night that he's been in NWA and there's plenty of money there.  He said the coaching job will be very attractive to anyone who knows this (instead of thinking "poor little Arkansas") and can work it so that the Walmart and other millionaires link up to the athletic program. (Like Tyson with Cal, although he didn't say that).  He also said anyone who thinks "revenue sharing" is the answer to player pay is not playing the game right.  He said a differentiator (what are you going to do for me beyond what everyone is getting on a schedule) will determine who gets the best players.

Absolutely none of this is new or surprising to a woopigger, but just relating that a national guy is speaking the same language.

I just listened to the podcast. He has a higher opinion of the job than most, with the caveats you mentioned above about the NWA money folks. His Petrino comments were funny. I think he wants him to get the permanent gig but wouldn't say it.

[Barton Fink]

If NIL money is behind the hire, yes it can be an attractive program. If it isn't, you will have coaches rejecting it before the phone call.

You have to give a new coach a fighting chance to succeed. The fact that we haven't went in on the NIL hoopla isn't a good look.

[DirkPiggler]

If NIL money is behind the hire, yes it can be an attractive program. If it isn't, you will have coaches rejecting it before the phone call.

You have to give a new coach a fighting chance to succeed. The fact that we haven't went in on the NIL hoopla isn't a good look.

Yurachek put us squarely behind the 8-ball with his initial stance of fighting NIL rather than figuring it out.

By the time we started somewhat playing the game, the people who were capable of moving the needle with contributions had lost faith in Pittman and his inability to get the most out of what he had.