Razorback Football

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HOGSRUNWILD

Quote from: HTL on Oct 03, 2025, 09:54 AMYou're an incredibly odd person and clearly have anger issues. You're mad because Sam got the bag. At least you go to church every Sunday!

Sam did every player on those teams wrong with his subpar, lazy coaching, so yes, I'm mad at him.  He is not a good person.

The Whyte Boar

Yes, at Sam's age with no kids to try and set up for the future, I much rather would have rather had another year on the lake chilling than making myself miserable working my ass off in Fayetteville.  Except he didn't work his ass off, stayed at the lake more than he should have, and collected the money anyway.

SwahiliSteve

When the university had to go out and get Bobby to make Sam look better it should have been a signal that it's time to go. If I was Sam Pittman and they have to bring in a coach they literally fired because you suck so much...i'd personally feel embarrassed. But no...he's a greedy fuck
Yep. I'm not trying to be a dick about it. It could have lived. It didn't. Not by my choice. -Elvis

HTL

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 03, 2025, 10:03 AMYes, at Sam's age with no kids to try and set up for the future, I much rather would have rather had another year on the lake chilling than making myself miserable working my ass off in Fayetteville.  Except he didn't work his ass off, stayed at the lake more than he should have, and collected the money anyway.
Don't hate the player hate the game. The art of the deal by Samuel Pittman.

DRYANKNPULL

It might be human nature to do what Sam did, but I think it makes you less of a "good guy" that everyone is painting him to be and certainly less than virtuous. There's blame all around for that, and it starts with hiring an unqualified, career position coach and keeping him for years.

I posed a question to another poster what would have happened if Yuracheck had said "no" to the extension and buyout. The poster said that Sam didn't ask for it. It's  difficult to believe that Sexton didn't think to ask for all of that and didn't negotiate it for the maximum dollar amount possible, but I digress. That narrative suggests that Yurachek backed the bank truck up to an unqualified and unproven coach that had free money for incompetence and incentivized just showing up. Everybody involved with that (except Sexton) showed their lack of competence. One of those parties is going to hire our next coach. I'm certain that new coach will have Sexton represent him.

It seems the lingering question is whether or not Sam is a good guy. The measuring stick for that can be Petrino. I'm more interested in measuring coaches by whether or not they gave more to the job than they took from it. I've always thought it was interesting how when Petrino was fired for cause (which he didn't have to be), he didn't sue in hopes of a settlement that probably would have included a couple million. I bet most "good guys" would have.

Pig Benis

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 03, 2025, 10:52 AMIt might be human nature to do what Sam did, but I think it makes you less of a "good guy" that everyone is painting him to be and certainly less than virtuous. There's blame all around for that, and it starts with hiring an unqualified, career position coach and keeping him for years.

I posed a question to another poster what would have happened if Yuracheck had said "no" to the extension and buyout. The poster said that Sam didn't ask for it. It's  difficult to believe that Sexton didn't think to ask for all of that and didn't negotiate it for the maximum dollar amount possible, but I digress. That narrative suggests that Yurachek backed the bank truck up to an unqualified and unproven coach that had free money for incompetence and incentivized just showing up. Everybody involved with that (except Sexton) showed their lack of competence. One of those parties is going to hire our next coach. I'm certain that new coach will have Sexton represent him.

It seems the lingering question is whether or not Sam is a good guy. The measuring stick for that can be Petrino. I'm more interested in measuring coaches by whether or not they gave more to the job than they took from it. I've always thought it was interesting how when Petrino was fired for cause (which he didn't have to be), he didn't sue in hopes of a settlement that probably would have included a couple million. I bet most "good guys" would have.

Couldn't have said it better.
The Lord wants you to put your foot on their balls and believe in it. 'Cuz that's what wins football games. Not jumping offsides like a bunch of wimps and faggots. I don't care what those pinkos over in Russia say. You want to be a loser? You go live in Russia. I'm a winner. I'm an American.

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Oct 03, 2025, 10:52 AMIt might be human nature to do what Sam did, but I think it makes you less of a "good guy" that everyone is painting him to be and certainly less than virtuous. There's blame all around for that, and it starts with hiring an unqualified, career position coach and keeping him for years.

I posed a question to another poster what would have happened if Yuracheck had said "no" to the extension and buyout. The poster said that Sam didn't ask for it. It's  difficult to believe that Sexton didn't think to ask for all of that and didn't negotiate it for the maximum dollar amount possible, but I digress. That narrative suggests that Yurachek backed the bank truck up to an unqualified and unproven coach that had free money for incompetence and incentivized just showing up. Everybody involved with that (except Sexton) showed their lack of competence. One of those parties is going to hire our next coach. I'm certain that new coach will have Sexton represent him.

It seems the lingering question is whether or not Sam is a good guy. The measuring stick for that can be Petrino. I'm more interested in measuring coaches by whether or not they gave more to the job than they took from it. I've always thought it was interesting how when Petrino was fired for cause (which he didn't have to be), he didn't sue in hopes of a settlement that probably would have included a couple million. I bet most "good guys" would have.

Unlike those "good guys" Petrino ain't no pussy and took his medicine like a man.  Never forget Petrino went in to see Long man-to-man without an attorney and admitted to an affair and issued a statement which Long then used as justification to fire his ass.  Long was a fucking snake and knew exactly what he was doing all along.  BP could have denied everything and claimed it was his personal business and they wouldn't have had much to go on, but he fessed up and acted like a man and a fucking snake used it against him.

Piggielicious

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Petrino also gave the university a favorable buyout that made it hard for him to leave but easy for the school to get rid of him.

Now contrast that with the actions Sam took while professing to love the school/job. He immediately hired the slimiest agent after one decent season with super seniors (that he didn't recruit) to scam the university out of millions (the same university they gave him a chance as a head coach and made him very wealthy when no one else would). It wasn't enough for him.

He isn't the honorable man he portrays himself to be.

HTL

So now we're arguing Petrino is a better person than Sam. Whew boy.

Piggielicious

Quote from: HTL on Oct 03, 2025, 12:00 PMSo now we're arguing Petrino is a better person than Sam. Whew boy.
Your reading comprehension is poor.

DRYANKNPULL

I'm not trying to argue that. I'm just saying that the party line on Sam is he's a great guy and the one on Pertino is he is a bad guy. I think both of those are considerably less than their portrayal.

piglosopher

Quote from: HTL on Oct 03, 2025, 08:44 AMHe agreed to a reduced buyout when he didn't have to. How exactly did he fleece the university? He wasn't highly paid compared to most. Fucking Kansas pays their coach more. Bizarre energy. I guess he should've just turned the job down.

To be fair, the reduced buyout was negotiation, in exchange he no longer has a duty to mitigate

HTL

Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 03, 2025, 12:41 PMTo be fair, the reduced buyout was negotiation, in exchange he no longer has a duty to mitigate
As explained, the duty to mitigate was for a D-1 head gig which wasn't going to happen anyway.

piglosopher

You want to blame someone, blame HY.

I agree with whichever poster said the buyout is the issue. That's on HY. He offered the terms, Sam agreed.

It's not morally wrong what Sam did, hiring Sexton. Sexton, much like a defense attorney, is going to negotiate to his client's best interest. There's a reason why most coaches uses him.

It sucks for us fans learning Sam isn't the aw shucks homer he wants us to believe. This was all business. But that doesn't make him any different than 99% of coaches.

BleedinRed

Quote from: Pig Benis on Oct 03, 2025, 08:49 AMHe agreed to a reduced buyout because he didn't want to have to continue to look for work. He didn't do it because he was a nice guy. You've been saying that he and his wife have wanted out for over a year. He has been unburdened.

He didn't have an obligation to look for another job.  

BleedinRed

Quote from: HOGSRUNWILD on Oct 03, 2025, 08:53 AMAnd then when he saw he couldn't do the job he was hired to do, instead of quitting, signed on for an extension and more money, all while knowing there was no way he could fulfill the requirements of the job.

I mean, sure, It makes the AD that offered the deal retarded.  It makes the person that accepts it knowing they can't fulfill the requirements a shitty, morally bankrupt person. 

I suspect he thought he could do the job.  

Lurk

Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 03, 2025, 12:10 PMYour reading comprehension is poor.
His ability to reach things on the top shelf is too.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times."

HTL

Quote from: Lurk on Oct 03, 2025, 01:28 PMHis ability to reach things on the top shelf is too.
No offense but my top shelf is a lot higher than yours.

SwahiliSteve

Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 03, 2025, 01:27 PMI suspect he thought he could do the job. 
who Hunter? I still have no clue why he didn't fire his ass last year and instead brought in Bobby as some sorta tag team duo. If I were Sam and your AD has to go out and get a coach we previously fired to help a head coach that the fan base loathes at this point then I'd be humiliated and embarrassed. But he wasn't because he's a sorry sack of shit that wanted to continue to get money till he was forced out.
Yep. I'm not trying to be a dick about it. It could have lived. It didn't. Not by my choice. -Elvis

Lurk

Quote from: HTL on Oct 03, 2025, 01:30 PMNo offense but my top shelf is a lot higher than yours.
Yeah, but you can't reach it.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times."