Portal 2023-24

[The Whyte Boar]

I think we'll see the elimination of most sports and women's sports, or at least maybe a segregation of them into a "non-profit" division that still values amateurism.  If athletes are to be employees or even de-facto employees entitled to profit sharing, it makes no sense if there are not profits.  Under those rules, football and men's basketball are the only sports that make sense.  The others can go a Division III route.

[egregious]

or something like this

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-new-college-athletics-subdivision-rooted-in-direct-athlete-compensation-145051537.html

NCAA trying to save their own ass, the big football schools should do away with them

[bigpig]

NCAA trying to save their own ass, the big football schools should do away with them

Exactly. They're basically saying "we'll allow you to write your own rule book."

In that case, what will the NCAA even do? Their only job now is basically to put schools on probation for breaking the rules, but if everyone gets to write their own rules, what is left to punish? They just don't want Big Ten/SEC to split, steal away the key non B1G/SEC schools left, and just form their own "NCAA"

[hit_that_line]

The suits have ruined college athletics.

[The Whyte Boar]

Neither the NCAA nor the schools can do anything without congress.  Under the recent rulings, any kind of rule they come up with regarding compensation is going to be an anti-trust violation. 

[animal]

The thing about NIL is exactly what it means Name, Image, and Likeness wherefore does any of that merit compensation in a fair and open market. It has nothing to do with gender or equity. If the market says no then it's no...if someone wants to pay you then great. Revenue sharing is a whole other can of worms and even slippery slope

[Sus-Scrofa]

If schools get openly involved in compensation, the next battle will be the disparity in male and female athlete compensation.

Count on it.

[Texzilla]

I think we'll see the elimination of most sports and women's sports, or at least maybe a segregation of them into a "non-profit" division that still values amateurism.  If athletes are to be employees or even de-facto employees entitled to profit sharing, it makes no sense if there are not profits.  Under those rules, football and men's basketball are the only sports that make sense.  The others can go a Division III route.

Title IX ain't going away so if you pay a football player $100k you have to spend $100 k with the ladies.

[hit_that_line]

Would that compensation be public info?

[vegashog]

schools paying players directly doesn't negate title 9 so i'd bet that has already been taken into account.

[vegashog]

schools paying players directly won't negate title 9.

and the language in this early proposal states that men and women will be equally compensated.

edit: didn't see tex's post.

[The Whyte Boar]

Title IX ain't going away so if you pay a football player $100k you have to spend $100 k with the ladies.

Title IX definitely will be going away if they are found to be employees.  Besides Title IX can be easily enough dealt with.  Simply don't offer scholarships.  Pay players and they don't need scholarships.

[vegashog]

Title IX definitely will be going away if they are found to be employees.  Besides Title IX can be easily enough dealt with.  Simply don't offer scholarships.  Pay players and they don't need scholarships.

the schools need the 'student athletes' to maintain their tax exempt status on all that revenue plus the networks get to deduct the money they pay out.

why do you think that term is thrown around so much by the coach's, athletic directors, and administrations? the student part will be very difficult to get rid of.

[The Whyte Boar]

the schools need the 'student athletes' to maintain their tax exempt status on all that revenue plus the networks get to deduct the money they pay out.

why do you think that term is thrown around so much by the coach's, athletic directors, and administrations? the student part will be very difficult to get rid of.

That's the point, it ain't entirely up to the schools or the NCAA as to how this plays out.  Court ruling and state legislatures are why we are where we are.  And besides, doing away with scholarships doesn't negate the requirement that a football player be enrolled as a student.

[Son of Spam]

Are there really that many guys getting paid for NIL? You would think that it would be only a couple or more. If it is really NIL.

[Sus-Scrofa]

That's the point, it ain't entirely up to the schools or the NCAA as to how this plays out.  Court ruling and state legislatures are why we are where we are.  And besides, doing away with scholarships doesn't negate the requirement that a football player be enrolled as a student.

Are you implying the Arkansas legislature could interfere in something and make it worse?

How dare you!

[vegashog]

That's the point, it ain't entirely up to the schools or the NCAA as to how this plays out.  Court ruling and state legislatures are why we are where we are.  And besides, doing away with scholarships doesn't negate the requirement that a football player be enrolled as a student.

some of that may be true, but telling athletes that they have to pay for their scholarships while a band member or math wiz who can tutor others for money while getting a free ride will just get the whole argument right back to where it started.

seems to me anyway.

[The Whyte Boar]

some of that may be true, but telling athletes that they have to pay for their scholarships while a band member or math wiz who can tutor others for money while getting a free ride will just get the whole argument right back to where it started.

seems to me anyway.

Is the band member or math whiz getting paid directly by the school?

NIL is an example of why the NCAA fought any form of payment to athletes at all.  In just a few short years it has devolved into boosters more or less buying athletes. 

This ground has all been covered before.  College football was second only to baseball in popularity in the 1920s.  Schools and boosters were hiring 30 year old oilfield workers and roughnecks to beat up on 18 year old college kids.  The NCAA was instituted to get control of it. 

And short of Congress carving out some sort of anti-trust exemption it is going to be real hard for schools to pay players.  There won't be any upper limits to it or that would an anti-trust violation.  Likewise, I think any minimums would be too as that it would be collusion to set market rates that made it impossible for some schools to compete. 

Congress is going to act to keep NCAA sports similar to what they are now.  Not sure they will though.

[vegashog]

sanders officially in the portal.

[Guardrail]

sanders officially in the portal.

Well, there you go. Go take his Broderick green self somewhere else