Portal 2023-24

[The Whyte Boar]

They are running deficits. They don't have money to burn. Something will change or schools will be playing in stadiums that are falling apart.

They don't care.  Nice facilities don't get recruits or fans.

[Mazeppa Pompazoidi]

But when the NIL got started, we were coming off 9-4 and a NYD bowl win.  Ole Miss had a similar year.  Missouri went 6-6 and lost their bowl.  It's not as simple as wins/losses, although the momentum is probably a factor.  We've done a terrible job of putting together a program relative to those schools.

NIL today is different today than what it was 2 years ago.  There were no rules and everybody was trying to figure it out.  Ark was one of the first to set up a program, but as usual, they tried to do it with integrity and incorporate what NIL actually meant, Name, Image and Likeness.  Most everybody else decided since there were no rules, that it is simply pay for play and out bidding other schools for players would be the norm.  Like always, Ark is a couple of years behind everybody else in figuring that out.

[Pig Benis]

It's leadership and no, we're not serious. 

Ole Miss went big and hired the best candidate they could find and didn't pinch pennies.  Now, they've experience success and have money to burn relatively speaking.

Our leadership tried to pinch pennies and got butthurt when our top candidate made more push for a little more money and let Ole Miss swoop in and take him.  We saved our pennies and hired a guy who had never been a head coach. We are now cash strapped because people don't want to pay big money for a crap product.

By the way, the same butthurt and penny pinching attitude sent Briles down the road when one of his best friends made a run at him and caused the meltdown we had this past year.

Serious programs don't pinch veritable pennies when they are dealing with something that has $170 million a year in revenue.

And speaking to the point above about NIL, serious programs don't appoint ex athletes with virtually no qualifications except being ex athletes to run their NIL programs.

Hell, for that matter serious programs don't promote a lawyer who made a cut and paste error on a  contract that cost the foundation millions of dollars to head of their fundraising foundation.

I love Arkansas but we absolutely deserve a lot of the shit we get.

Hard to disagree with any of this. Your last sentence is on point.

[Show-Me Hog]

Maybe not being in the playoffs causes de-commits, too.  Florida State can't seem to catch a break this offseason.  In the wake of their College Football Playoff snub, the Seminoles have now lost their top recruit in the 2024 class.  On Early National Signing Day, No. 1 ranked safety K.J. Bolden flipped his commitment from Florida State and signed with the Georgia Bulldogs.

[BleedinRed]

It's leadership and no, we're not serious. 

Ole Miss went big and hired the best candidate they could find and didn't pinch pennies.  Now, they've experience success and have money to burn relatively speaking.

Our leadership tried to pinch pennies and got butthurt when our top candidate made more push for a little more money and let Ole Miss swoop in and take him.  We saved our pennies and hired a guy who had never been a head coach. We are now cash strapped because people don't want to pay big money for a crap product.

By the way, the same butthurt and penny pinching attitude sent Briles down the road when one of his best friends made a run at him and caused the meltdown we had this past year.

Serious programs don't pinch veritable pennies when they are dealing with something that has $170 million a year in revenue.

And speaking to the point above about NIL, serious programs don't appoint ex athletes with virtually no qualifications except being ex athletes to run their NIL programs.

Hell, for that matter serious programs don't promote a lawyer who made a cut and paste error on a  contract that cost the foundation millions of dollars to head of their fundraising foundation.

I love Arkansas but we absolutely deserve a lot of the shit we get.

Everyone wanted Briles gone.  WTF are you talking about?

[PHARMHOG]

Outside of maybe 20 schools the NIL just can't be sustainable.

The give/investor can't receive much on ROI. The player gets injured, doesn't perform, or portals following year.

What is embarrassing are NIL Daspit Law Firm commercials still running on the TVs with Rocket Sanders as the star.

I will never donate.

[animal]

There's simply no way these schools are relying on the Pascal heat and air and plumbing and electrical type companies to help fund their NIL... especially in Arkansas where maybe there are 10 companies of that scale of operations. So if there are 10 of them how many are forking over 100 plus grand or whatever. I don't see it. I get it from if you at scale let's say 200 small businesses contribute between 10 and 100k that turns into a lot of disposable income. But is some of that donation to the athletic dept and other to NIL etc. you are still competing for the dollar.

[BASS]

Agree on sustainability for nil. It's new.

Once these boosters realize a couple years of no ROI gains, guys they donated to specifically to get on campus portaling out or not performing, they will get stale on the whole idea.

It takes fuck you money to put $1 mm a year every year into your entertainment hobby with no returns other than your team winning. I can't imagine too many schools have many boosters who fit the bill long term.

[jdcatty]

Agree on sustainability for nil. It's new.

Once these boosters realize a couple years of no ROI gains, guys they donated to specifically to get on campus portaling out or not performing, they will get stale on the whole idea.

It takes fuck you money to put $1 mm a year every year into your entertainment hobby with no returns other than your team winning. I can't imagine too many schools have many boosters who fit the bill long term.

I think you are right on sustainability, and that's what hurts a school like Arkansas with a small population base and a relatively small alumni base.  If the 'whisper" numbers of players getting hundreds of thousands of dollars (and of course even millions for the Arch Mannings out there) are correct even the big schools will have a hard time maintaining that level of payments in the long run.  Even the car dealerships won't pay that in the long run, although they may go in and out of the market (ie, McClarty for a few years, then Gwatney,  then Everette, etc) then back to McClarty, and start the rotation again.

Right now lots of people are excited about it, but I wonder what the whole NIL marketplace will look like in 5 years.

[vegashog]

but arkansas has a slightly larger population, median income, and alumni base than mississippi.

why are they seemingly able to kill it with nil? make all the excuses you want, but it's because their fans are willing to give more. 

yes, the university might have been a little slow on the uptake when it comes to nil, but that doesn't explain the apparent huge discrepancy between the two programs. not to me at least.

[Son of Spam]

but arkansas has a slightly larger population, median income, and alumni base than mississippi.

why are they seemingly able to kill it with nil? make all the excuses you want, but it's because their fans are willing to give more. 

yes, the university might have been a little slow on the uptake when it comes to nil, but that doesn't explain the apparent huge discrepancy between the two programs. not to me at least.

Simple to me. They want to play for Kiffin. Not Tittman.

[vegashog]

Simple to me. They want to play for Kiffin. Not Tittman.

that's all well and good, and true, but don't think that their portal class wasn't paid a shitload of money.

[Son of Spam]

that's all well and good, and true, but don't think that their portal class wasn't paid a shitload of money.

Kiffin could pay 10 excellent players $100,000 each from his own salary.

[The Whyte Boar]

Everyone wanted Briles gone.  WTF are you talking about?

No they didn't, but keep banging that retard drum.

[BleedinRed]

No they didn't, but keep banging that retard drum.

Yes, just about everyone was ready for him to move on whether on his own or via the boot.  

I know you are searching for any and all reasons to hate the administration but this take is fucking stupid.  

[BleedinRed]

why are they seemingly able to kill it with nil?

Other than words typed by posters on this board, what evidence is there that Arkansas is getting killed in the NIL game?  What proof is there that shows Ole Miss and Missouri are doing so much better because of NIL?

Simple to me. They want to play for Kiffin. Not Tittman.

This is the right answer.  Arkansas is a 6 win program right now.  Missouri and Ole Miss are 10 win programs.  Both have solid coaches.  

Pretty simple reasoning as to why Arkansas isn't competing right now.  It has less than zero to do with money.  

[DirkPiggler]

There's simply no way these schools are relying on the Pascal heat and air and plumbing and electrical type companies to help fund their NIL... especially in Arkansas where maybe there are 10 companies of that scale of operations. So if there are 10 of them how many are forking over 100 plus grand or whatever. I don't see it. I get it from if you at scale let's say 200 small businesses contribute between 10 and 100k that turns into a lot of disposable income. But is some of that donation to the athletic dept and other to NIL etc. you are still competing for the dollar.

Who else could Ole Miss be relying on?  They have jack shit for corporations. 

Sean Tuohy owns a bunch of fast food restaurants. One of their big boosters I met several years ago was a PI lawyer.  Mossy Oak is probably their biggest business booster.   

There was an article by Steven Godfrey several years ago that went behind the scenes talking to the guys funding schools' talent acquisition.  He didn't say what state it was, but it was pretty obvious by a) the descriptions he gave, b) the timing of his article (when Freeze was buying players at OM) and c) the writer's ties to Ole Miss that he was discussing Mississippi.  The people putting up the money for both that state's schools were exactly the type I mentioned above.

[Show-Me Hog]

Other than words typed by posters on this board, what evidence is there that Arkansas is getting killed in the NIL game?  What proof is there that shows Ole Miss and Missouri are doing so much better because of NIL?

Other than reading tea leaves of where recruits are going, there's no analysis of NIL funding or spending. Nor do I think it's possible. Believe him or not, Petrino said he did not know, as OC, what any player made at A&M.

If it's that close to the vest, it's all just throwing shit against the wall. I guess that's what message boards do.

[The Whyte Boar]

Yes, just about everyone was ready for him to move on whether on his own or via the boot. 

I know you are searching for any and all reasons to hate the administration but this take is fucking stupid. 

You and a few other retards are not "everyone".

[The Whyte Boar]

Who else could Ole Miss be relying on?  They have jack shit for corporations. 

Sean Tuohy owns a bunch of fast food restaurants. One of their big boosters I met several years ago was a PI lawyer.  Mossy Oak is probably their biggest business booster.   

There was an article by Steven Godfrey several years ago that went behind the scenes talking to the guys funding schools' talent acquisition.  He didn't say what state it was, but it was pretty obvious by a) the descriptions he gave, b) the timing of his article (when Freeze was buying players at OM) and c) the writer's ties to Ole Miss that he was discussing Mississippi.  The people putting up the money for both that state's schools were exactly the type I mentioned above.

Those plaintiff's lawyers, car dealers, and such are the guys who like to show the size of their peckers by buying players.