NIL

[buff2.0]

I'm sure this is only happening in softball and Texas Tech is the only program doing it.

NCAA rules prevent head coaches from recruiting players actively on opponents' rosters, but there aren't rules in place to prevent a third party from approaching those players. This loophole has opened the door for All-Americans to join head coach Gerry Glasco's program. The Matador Club, Texas Tech's Name, Image and Likeness collective, and coach Nathan Nelson of Hotshots Fastpitch, a travel organization based in Texas, have reportedly been heavily involved in this process.

https://www.si.com/onsi/softball/news/how-an-nil-loophole-is-transforming-texas-tech-into-a-softball-powerhouse

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[DrMongoose]

https://x.com/wintersportslaw/status/1933577286445343161?s=61&t=yqgft3mqzhJjVNQN1flX9A

[BleedinRed]

I simply don't know how an athletic program could ever be considered for a nonprofit setup.  

[vegashog]

I simply don't know how an athletic program could ever be considered for a nonprofit setup. 

you mean like almost every public university's athletic program that gets 501(c) status right now?

[vegashog]

long, but good read.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/could-collective-bargaining-be-the-answer-for-college-sports-some-ads-are-ready-to-say-the-quiet-part-out-loud-120029195.html

[The Whyte Boar]

Too many schools and athletes.  Forget the NCAA.  Unless Congress steps in, it will have to be an association of the major conferences on collective bargaining.

[Pig Benis]

The most interesting part of that article is that the players are unlikely to vote for unionization and collective bargaining because they currently have everyone by the balls. The whole system will have to crumble and sports start getting cut before anything substantive happens. They have no incentive to agree to anything but the status quo at the moment.

[The Whyte Boar]

The most interesting part of that article is that the players are unlikely to vote for unionization and collective bargaining because they currently have everyone by the balls. The whole system will have to crumble and sports start getting cut before anything substantive happens. They have no incentive to agree to anything but the status quo at the moment.

That, or the major conferences get together and force it. 

[BleedinRed]

The most interesting part of that article is that the players are unlikely to vote for unionization and collective bargaining because they currently have everyone by the balls. The whole system will have to crumble and sports start getting cut before anything substantive happens. They have no incentive to agree to anything but the status quo at the moment.

I guess I'm too much of a simpleton.

First, I'm all for sharing the wealth.  Pay the players.  Fantastic idea.  Love it.  Support it.

Make them all employees.  If they don't like it, they can refuse to work.  Enough of them will work though so the product on the field/court won't be severly degraded. Make them sign employment agreements with performance expectations (including educational), NDA and Non-compete clauses.  They can negotiate all those things but the school can as well.  Tax them just like every other working stiff.  No more free rides.  They pay for their education and living expenses.

If the PTB would make the expense side of the equation balance out the revenue side, the players might slow they roll a little.

[HTL]

Bama paying Albert Means under the table and Auburn handing out casino cards doesn't seem so bad at the moment.

[BleedinRed]

Bama paying Albert Means under the table and Auburn handing out casino cards doesn't seem so bad at the moment.

I'm okay with that too.  If we are going down the road of "doing things right" then treat them just like every other working person in America.  No special treatment.

[obijuana]

I haven't followed this topic very closely because I'm in the minority that thinks college kids don't deserve a dime. Not. One. Cent. If the luxuries of being a "athlete-student" isn't fair then enlist in the Army, pay for your own schooling, or go flip burgers.

Having said that, how did we get here? I thought the premise of NIL was to give money to the kids from video games and the use of their likeness in other commercial ventures. Allow the athletes to profit during summer camps, and the like. Now kids are essentially being put on the payroll? Sharing revenues? 

What a colossal goatfuck.

[Show-Me Hog]

I haven't followed this topic very closely because I'm in the minority that thinks college kids don't deserve a dime. Not. One. Cent. If the luxuries of being a "athlete-student" isn't fair then enlist in the Army, pay for your own schooling, or go flip burgers.

Having said that, how did we get here? I thought the premise of NIL was to give money to the kids from video games and the use of their likeness in other commercial ventures. Allow the athletes to profit during summer camps, and the like. Now kids are essentially being put on the payroll? Sharing revenues? 

What a colossal goatfuck.

It was the camel's nose under the tent.  The crack in the facade.  The give em an inch they take a mile.  All those things.

By saying the players can be paid in SOME way (NIL), everything became NIL.  Doesn't matter if anyone was actually getting paid for their Name, Image, or Likeness.  They were just getting paid to play and it was labeled "NIL". A complete fiction but if you leave the door open a crack, you get what you're going to get.

[Texzilla]

I haven't followed this topic very closely because I'm in the minority that thinks college kids don't deserve a dime. Not. One. Cent. If the luxuries of being a "athlete-student" isn't fair then enlist in the Army, pay for your own schooling, or go flip burgers.

Having said that, how did we get here? I thought the premise of NIL was to give money to the kids from video games and the use of their likeness in other commercial ventures. Allow the athletes to profit during summer camps, and the like. Now kids are essentially being put on the payroll? Sharing revenues? 

What a colossal goatfuck.

I think youve been under a rock. Do you work for nothing?  Let's get past this silly ruse of amateur student athaletes; that's been dead for decades. 

[Texzilla]

I guess I'm too much of a simpleton.

First, I'm all for sharing the wealth.  Pay the players.  Fantastic idea.  Love it.  Support it.

Make them all employees.  If they don't like it, they can refuse to work.  Enough of them will work though so the product on the field/court won't be severly degraded. Make them sign employment agreements with performance expectations (including educational), NDA and Non-compete clauses.  They can negotiate all those things but the school can as well.  Tax them just like every other working stiff.  No more free rides.  They pay for their education and living expenses.

If the PTB would make the expense side of the equation balance out the revenue side, the players might slow they roll a little.

I'm in agreement for the most part but I'm more concerned with the portal than the money.  I want to see a standardized conference or ncaa contract with a specific term like the nfl. 

I disagree on an educational requirement.  These are pro athletes, hired guns.  Let's get rid of the bullshit of student athletes, the fake grades in high school, the crib claases in college.  Fuck it. You want to go to school fine, or don't.  Make em 1099 contractors and consider it all marketing expense. Be honest do you care if our new freshman RB can't read at a 3rd grade level?  I do not.

[BleedinRed]

I'm in agreement for the most part but I'm more concerned with the portal than the money.  I want to see a standardized conference or ncaa contract with a specific term like the nfl. 

I disagree on an educational requirement.  These are pro athletes, hired guns.  Let's get rid of the bullshit of student athletes, the fake grades in high school, the crib claases in college.  Fuck it. You want to go to school fine, or don't.  Make em 1099 contractors and consider it all marketing expense. Be honest do you care if our new freshman RB can't read at a 3rd grade level?  I do not.

I'm fine with that.  Divorce athletics from the universities all together.  Make the athletic department its own for-profit business entity.   Tax it just like you would a K-Mart.   Everyone should pay their fair share.  If "Idaho Vandals LLC" can't turn a profit then they lay off their employees and go out of business.  

[Italian Porn]

NIL is one issue, but its outside of the athletic dept, and its state/federal laws that regulate it, for the most part(in theory).  I'm more intrigued by how public universities are going to handle revenue sharing moving forward.  In particular, how will revenue be allocated, and whether Title 9 plays any role.  If the UA is going to share athletic dept revenue, shouldn't it go to the programs/sports that actually generate revenue?  And how do you determine how much revenue a sport generates?  If they can't come up with a number, and you use some arbitrary percentages, could any athlete under the umbrella of UA athletics claim an equal share?  Will a men's 3rd string javelin thrower or women's golfer get the same as the starting QB?

[vegashog]

title IX does not address 'equal pay', never has. it's an anti-discrimination statute and the judge dismissed the objections some had because of title IX for that reason. if that weren't the case, there would be violations everywhere regardless of the house settlement. there is an appeal going forward.

as far as how it will be distributed among different programs and players, right now, that will be up to the universities. best estimates are power 5 conferences will pay around 70% towards football.

[Cardiac Hog]

Arkansas has not (and will not release) its revenue sharing distrubution formula, but it is expected to be:
- 70% (approx $16 million) for football
- 20% ($4 million) for mens basketball
- 10% ($2 million) for baseball
Then each program determines how it will split up their share. 

Other sports will not be receiving any portion of revenue sharing, but any athlete can receive NIL.  However any NIL deal will have to be approved by the NIL clearinghouse who will determine if the deal falls within "market-value" range for each athlete/deal. 

Let the lawsuits begin.   

[Son of Spam]

Arkansas has not (and will not release) its revenue sharing distrubution formula, but it is expected to be:
- 70% (approx $16 million) for football
- 20% ($4 million) for mens basketball
- 10% ($2 million) for baseball
Then each program determines how it will split up their share. 

Other sports will not be receiving any portion of revenue sharing, but any athlete can receive NIL.  However any NIL deal will have to be approved by the NIL clearinghouse who will determine if the deal falls within "market-value" range for each athlete/deal. 

Let the lawsuits begin.   

So, we are going to be wasting 70% on football?