Your annual BYE WEEK pol(e) for 2024!

Started by bigpig, Oct 10, 2024, 09:12 AM

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Quote from: Borenutz on Oct 11, 2024, 10:46 PMWhich coach in the SEC would you rather have at this point?

Honest question.

Lane who just lost at home to Kentucky? Drink? Heupel who we just beat? Stoops who shat the bed against Georgia at home? Napier? Beamer? The previous drunk degenerate at Texas? LSU's fist pounder?

It's a week to week meltdown of who needs to be fired, retired, or crowned.

I'm not a Pitt hugger but damn. He's not the sexy coach, but for promoting a career o line coach, he's mostly been respectable. He may shit the bed the rest of the year, or he may win 10 games.

Just crazy how 1-2 games can affect the fan sentiment of a coach.


This is all true. It's the inconsistency that people hate about Pittman and most of the other coaches you list may have their issues as well but typically don't have the drop off that Pittman has shown. Arguably if Pittman were at a program where talent is better/easier to acquire he'd be as good or better than those names.

Gun to head I'd still choose Sark or Kiffin over Pittman. Mark Stoops is one of those same cats like Pittman only he's had a better track record at a traditionally awful football school. Stoops is good for some good wins each season mixed in with a couple bad losses and will likely hover in that 7 to 9 win zone for much of his career. We would damn sure take it at Arkansas.

The other factor here is it's the SEC and the margin between winners and losers is very tight. How else can you account for Alabama shitting the bed against Vandy?

This Vandy/Ky game will be very interesting. Vandy players and coaches have had their dicks sucked on for a solid week. I won't be shocked if they come out with deflated balls.



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BleedinRed

Quote from: animal on Oct 12, 2024, 07:12 AMMark Stoops is one of those same cats like Pittman only he's had a better track record at a traditionally awful football school.

What does traditionally awful mean?

Does Arkansas not get lumped into that category because of the 70s and 80s?

Since 1991 we have been traditionally awful, save for 1998 and 2011.   There have been a handful of years in between that were good. 

But over the last 34 years our program hasn't really been better than Kentucky.  

animal

Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 12, 2024, 09:40 AMWhat does traditionally awful mean?

Does Arkansas not get lumped into that category because of the 70s and 80s?

Since 1991 we have been traditionally awful, save for 1998 and 2011.  There have been a handful of years in between that were good.

But over the last 34 years our program hasn't really been better than Kentucky. 
I think maybe you are reading too much into what I said. I never once implied that we were better than Kentucky (a traditionally awful football program". I did imply that we would be happy with Stoops level of success. We would be. 

 


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BleedinRed

Quote from: animal on Oct 12, 2024, 10:06 AMI think maybe you are reading too much into what I said. I never once implied that we were better than Kentucky (a traditionally awful football program". I did imply that we would be happy with Stoops level of success. We would be.

 




I definetly was.  Sorry about that.  

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bigpig

Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 12, 2024, 09:40 AMWhat does traditionally awful mean?

Does Arkansas not get lumped into that category because of the 70s and 80s?

Since 1991 we have been traditionally awful, save for 1998 and 2011.   There have been a handful of years in between that were good.

But over the last 34 years our program hasn't really been better than Kentucky. 

I wouldn't say we've been traditionally awful. I'd say we've been wildly inconsistent, with a couple years where we look great, a couple where we look awful, and everything just middling.

We're a traditionally 5-7 win team.


But, I'd say the same is true of Kentucky, too. Only difference is we've been to multiple BCS/premiere bowls and conference title games.  UK can't say that
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Quote from: Borenutz on Oct 11, 2024, 10:46 PMWhich coach in the SEC would you rather have at this point?

Honest question.

Lane who just lost at home to Kentucky? Drink? Heupel who we just beat? Stoops who shat the bed against Georgia at home? Napier? Beamer? The previous drunk degenerate at Texas? LSU's fist pounder?

It's a week to week meltdown of who needs to be fired, retired, or crowned.

I'm not a Pitt hugger but damn. He's not the sexy coach, but for promoting a career o line coach, he's mostly been respectable. He may shit the bed the rest of the year, or he may win 10 games.

Just crazy how 1-2 games can affect the fan sentiment of a coach.



Huh?  What change in sentiment for a coach.? Without the buyout and no budget Yuri would have fired his ass last season.  He's a terrible coach.  Stand alone situation.  It has nothing to do with another coach in a different situation. There are a ton of coaches out there that would do better, including our coordinators who pay little attention to him.  I suspect each has a GA talking in Sam's headset that chat thru a game like reading a Winnie the Pooh story and talking about col beer.

Current performance and future progress is all that matters.  Coaches really benefitted from paying penance with Saban.

So for your exercise I'd trade for Sark in a heartbeat.  Same for Lane. Clark Lea. Smart. 
DaBoer.  Heupel.  Stoops. Elko.  Even Drink.  Maybe Venables.  No on freeze, Beamer, napier, lsu lawn jockey. Whoever is at klan aggy. 

Borenutz

Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 12, 2024, 12:03 PMHuh?  What change in sentiment for a coach.? Without the buyout and no budget Yuri would have fired his ass last season.  He's a terrible coach.  Stand alone situation.  It has nothing to do with another coach in a different situation. There are a ton of coaches out there that would do better, including our coordinators who pay little attention to him.  I suspect each has a GA talking in Sam's headset that chat thru a game like reading a Winnie the Pooh story and talking about col beer.

Current performance and future progress is all that matters.  Coaches really benefitted from paying penance with Saban.

So for your exercise I'd trade for Sark in a heartbeat.  Same for Lane. Clark Lea. Smart. 
DaBoer.  Heupel.  Stoops. Elko.  Even Drink.  Maybe Venables.  No on freeze, Beamer, napier, lsu lawn jockey. Whoever is at klan aggy. 


We know you can't stand Pittman. Wouldn't matter what he did the rest of the way, you're going to die on that hill. It's cool, whatever. I'm going to pull for the guy and the Hogs to win and to turn it around as long as he's the coach. I'd much rather him go out on a good to really good for Arkansas record.

You might be able to get Deboer around this time tomorrow.

BleedinRed

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piglosopher

Well like it or not, Pittman will be here at least another year.

TC

Quote from: piglosopher on Oct 12, 2024, 02:33 PMWell like it or not, Pittman will be here at least another year.

Fuck.

Texzilla

Quote from: Borenutz on Oct 12, 2024, 01:21 PMWe know you can't stand Pittman. Wouldn't matter what he did the rest of the way, you're going to die on that hill. It's cool, whatever. I'm going to pull for the guy and the Hogs to win and to turn it around as long as he's the coach. I'd much rather him go out on a good to really good for Arkansas record.

You might be able to get Deboer around this time tomorrow.

Do you really think Sam can change his spots?  He cannot. But this being Arkansas yuri will take 6-6 and a shit bowl and keep him another year, and TWill will head out of town.  The new definition of success in your world of Arkansas football.  Enjoy.  Sam is fucking the program and stealing money. 

But enjoy. 

bigpig

Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 14, 2024, 10:13 AMDo you really think Sam can change his spots?  He cannot. But this being Arkansas yuri will take 6-6 and a shit bowl and keep him another year, and TWill will head out of town.  The new definition of success in your world of Arkansas football.  Enjoy.  Sam is fucking the program and stealing money. 

But enjoy. 

I think it's very reasonable to think we end up 6-6, or even collapsing and missing a bowl entirely.

That said, there was a time where Dabo Sweeny was on the hotseat at Clemson, then he hired a couple of hot coordinators to turn things around, and suddenly they went on a tear and won multiple national titles.

Once upon a time Clemson was the Arkansas of the SEC.
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DirkPiggler

Quote from: bigpig on Oct 14, 2024, 10:56 AMI think it's very reasonable to think we end up 6-6, or even collapsing and missing a bowl entirely.

That said, there was a time where Dabo Sweeny was on the hotseat at Clemson, then he hired a couple of hot coordinators to turn things around, and suddenly they went on a tear and won multiple national titles.

Once upon a time Clemson was the Arkansas of the SEC.

And to think...one of those hot coordinators was none other than Mr. Left Lane, Hammer Down himself.
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Borenutz

Quote from: Texzilla on Oct 14, 2024, 10:13 AMDo you really think Sam can change his spots?  He cannot. But this being Arkansas yuri will take 6-6 and a shit bowl and keep him another year, and TWill will head out of town.  The new definition of success in your world of Arkansas football.  Enjoy.  Sam is fucking the program and stealing money. 

But enjoy. 

Let's face it, he's basically Mike Anderson. Took over after several shitty hires following a great coach.

If we can parlay his mediocrity like we did in basketball and hire a solid young and hungry coach, we'd be far better off than him just shitting the bed completely and the wheels falling off like some want.

Show-Me Hog

Quote from: Borenutz on Oct 14, 2024, 11:20 AMLet's face it, he's basically Mike Anderson. Took over after several shitty hires following a great coach.

If we can parlay his mediocrity like we did in basketball and hire a solid young and hungry coach, we'd be far better off than him just shitting the bed completely and the wheels falling off like some want.

Pretty poor comparison because Frank Broyles and Lou Holtz are much further in the past than Eddie Sutton and Nolan Richardson. Plus the only SEC basketball program OBVIOUSLY better than Arkansas is Kentucky. Most SEC football programs fit that description,. especially since we've added two more that do.

I don't see any path to relevance for the football team, like the basketball team had with Musselman then Calipari.

Borenutz

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 14, 2024, 11:28 AMPretty poor comparison because Frank Broyles and Lou Holtz are much further in the past than Eddie Sutton and Nolan Richardson. Plus the only SEC basketball program OBVIOUSLY better than Arkansas is Kentucky. Most SEC football programs fit that description,. especially since we've added two more that do.

I don't see any path to relevance for the football team, like the basketball team had with Musselman then Calipari.

I was referring more to Petrino.  Pittman was basically the 3rd hire after him, much like Mike was after Nolan. Granted, petrinos tenure was much shorter than Nolan's and didn't have the cherry on top, but it's more recent success indicative of what I believe we can accomplish if we make the right hire after Pittman. It certainly appears there's more parity in the sec with NIL with many of of the traditional power teams playing g close games with traditional doormats. Even vaderfuckingbilt is fielding a decent team.

Thin Red Swine

Quote from: Borenutz on Oct 14, 2024, 11:45 AMI was referring more to Petrino.  Pittman was basically the 3rd hire after him, much like Mike was after Nolan. Granted, petrinos tenure was much shorter than Nolan's and didn't have the cherry on top, but it's more recent success indicative of what I believe we can accomplish if we make the right hire after Pittman. It certainly appears there's more parity in the sec with NIL with many of of the traditional power teams playing g close games with traditional doormats. Even vaderfuckingbilt is fielding a decent team.

Yeah, there's no way Jessica was undefiled when he got to her.

But I digress.

We will certainly be better off in the long run if he can hold it together for another moderately successful season that no one expected.

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