Greatest Arkansas team competition

Started by GeoHogsGeo, Jul 26, 2023, 07:51 PM

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Son of Spam

Quote from: Snorts on Jul 29, 2023, 03:53 PMWe will disagree that using hands legally or not is irrelevant to the discussion.

Mr. Jones was recruited as a two way player.  There just weren't a lot of huge guys playing ball when they had to go both ways.  He actually had good size for the day.  Another factor to think about.

BTW, the 1964 Razorbacks won the championship in the first year of once and for all unlimited substitution.  It had been toyed with for several years, but '64 was the year it was put in for good.  The Razorback coaches gambled that the rule would be finalized, and only practiced their players one way.  We were the only school in the SWC to do so, giving us a huge advantage.  All those guys on the team had been two way players for at least one year (except the frosh, and they weren't eligible back then).

Another factor...I am doing this from memory, but the 15 or so Seniors were all that was left from something like 120 freshmen that were brought onto campus.  Texass brought on more than that.  Only the strong survived back then.

Modern rules...modern teams do whatever they like to 60's teams.  340 pound OTs reaching out and manhandling 190 pound DE's...not a pretty picture.  The passing game, with minimal contact vis a vis the WR and QB, the modern teams do whatever they like.  The ridiculous size disparity throttles the 60's offense.  Be some big plays on the option probably.

60's rules?  Modern teams just aren't built to operate under the old rules.  It would be much more interesting. 
I don't know. We played Georgia in the Sugar Bowl one year and were big underdogs. We were way under sized compared to that Georgia team, but our quickness was something those big guys were too slow to defend. We won 16-2.
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egregious

Quote from: Trigger7672 on Jul 29, 2023, 02:49 PMModern players are so much bigger, stronger, and faster that this shit wouldn't matter.

They would not be as big in 1964.  Humans didn't "evolve" to 100 lbs bigger in 5 years.  They are precisely fed and worked out like Tyson chickens now.

Integration was the big difference, more black guys from that era playing would have changed the results depending on where they ended up.
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CardHog

Quote from: egregious on Jul 30, 2023, 12:45 AMThey would not be as big in 1964.  Humans didn't "evolve" to 100 lbs bigger in 5 years.  They are precisely fed and worked out like Tyson chickens now.

Integration was the big difference, more black guys from that era playing would have changed the results depending on where they ended up.

I'm not sure why players or people in general are getting bigger or taller.  Diet would have to have something to do with it but no sure if that's by design?  I'm sure it is at the college and pro levels but damn these high school kids are big.

Integration was a Huge difference.   

Snorts

Weight training.  Diet. Players today, even at the HS level, get training that is light years ahead of what was done in the 60's and 70's.  I wasn't allowed to drink water during practice.  It would make you sick, right?

So you have an enormously strong, flexible, quick-for-his-size 6'6" behemoth today, where he would probably be a reed thin BBall player in the 60's.
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BleedinRed

In 1965 there were 195mm people in this country.  Today there are 332mm. That is a lot more tall and bigger sports players. 

mde114

In basketball the 77 team would be a tough out. With the 3 point line Delph would average +35 points per game.