Coaching Hot Seat and Searches

Started by animal, Mar 08, 2023, 07:47 PM

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flash23

Does he get a mid major gig or does he retire? They had a really bad year. St John's might have been in a similar spot when Mike took over here, though, but they took a pretty big step backwards in what was supposed to be a competitive year for them. I can't imagine his name is as hot as it was when he was fired here.

animal

I don't know that he's done coaching. I think this NIL & transfer freedom thing really fucked him up. Mike is good if he can coach up a kid over a period of 3 or 4 years but in this current era you need to be able to put together a program as if you are in the pros. That's why G-league coaches to college is trending. Stackhouse could possibly get some looks for better gigs than Vandy.


I could see Mike coming back into the south if the right opportunity opens but probably not going to be a big time gig.
"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

animal

If any big time jobs open up (Texas doesn't count) Dennis Gates could be a name to look for. I don't see Mizzou hanging onto him for long.

"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

Gambler

Does he have to pursue a job to get the payoff, or could he just cash checks? Don't see another school thinking hiring him is a good idea.

animal

Mark Fox sucked at Georgia for several years (well career .551) and then sucked at Cal for several years and got fired. I'm not saying Mike's going to immediately get his tires kicked but basketball coaches tend to get recycled.

I think I saw where South Florida opened up today as well.

Syracuse hired some guy I've never heard of...I guess a long time assistant.
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Show-Me Hog

Quote from: animal on Mar 10, 2023, 04:44 PMIf any big time jobs open up (Texas doesn't count) Dennis Gates could be a name to look for. I don't see Mizzou hanging onto him for long.


The jury is not in on him yet. He basically brought a ready-made team from Cleveland State to CoMo and is doing well with it. That doesn't mean he will do well once those guys are gone.

animal

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 11, 2023, 07:24 AMThe jury is not in on him yet. He basically brought a ready-made team from Cleveland State to CoMo and is doing well with it. That doesn't mean he will do well once those guys are gone.

Think he had some good Cleveland State teams so I think the guy knows how to build a program. Certainly you are correct that he may need more time to get it sorted.

So we have A&M, Vandy, Bama, and Mizzou left in the SECT FF...super cool. I'm sure they'll be huge crowds.
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Show-Me Hog

Quote from: animal on Mar 11, 2023, 07:35 AMThink he had some good Cleveland State teams so I think the guy knows how to build a program.

On the other hand, "building a program" may not even be a thing anymore with NIL, transfers, and good guys going pro.

On the third hand, certainly this year did not prove that Muss's "build a whole new all star team" approach is the best one.

animal

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Mar 11, 2023, 07:42 AMOn the other hand, "building a program" may not even be a thing anymore with NIL, transfers, and good guys going pro.

On the third hand, certainly this year did not prove that Muss's "build a whole new all star team" approach is the best one.

Muss knows the top teams each season tend to have the cream of the crop in talent. The rub is you have to have assistants that can identify which players are really projects and which ones figure to help immediately get to where you want to go.

In my mind Walsh shows great flashes of potential but he could be in college 4 years and still be showing flashes. In 6 or 7 years the kid could be a grown man all tatted up and making millions in the NBA as a neo birdman type but he's just not that player right now.

Black is somewhat interesting. Sure he's good athletically, in a NBA style the game will be far better spacing which is going to help him out. He's still a long ways way from being a regular rotation guy in the nba. His ball handling and shooting must improve greatly. And teams are going to eat his lunch defensively

NSJ: Hard to figure him. The player he was described last summer is not the player I've really ever seen. To me the obvious thing with him is his conditioning is not all that great I assume on account of being injured. Maybe he just looks that way. Either way his shooting isn't where it should be. His ball handling isn't where it needs to be. He needs to add weight. My eye test says the guy is not really ready for the league but getting in with an actual pro staff probably playing a lot of G-league next season will probably do wonders for him. If he played with a 5 out shot making style I think that opens up the lane greatly and we would see that explosive talent going to the rack a lot more but still you have to think in the NBA he'd get his shit pushed trying that shit.

Guys like RC4, Davis could certainly get shots in the NBA but I think the early season mock drafts got drunk on RC4's dunk potential. Davis works his ass off in the gym trying to get better. In the right situation he could blossom into a Pbev type player for years to come. His shot making and ball handling are certainly getting better and if that continues to trend in the right direction he's going to end up being a player.

Brazile just needs to come back :)
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olive_branch_hog

NSJ is not ready even for the G-League - those guys are grown men. He will be guarding players his height and taller who have 25 pounds of muscle more than he does.

He would make more money (NIL) and play in front of much larger crowds if he came back to Arkansas - the coaching would be the same.

vegashog

some of you expect these guys to be instant starters and somehow if they don't look like they are going to lead their teams in scoring they are "not ready".

Quote from: olive_branch_hog on Mar 11, 2023, 10:03 AMHe would make more money (NIL) and play in front of much larger crowds if he came back to Arkansas - the coaching would be the same.
not sure if serious.  he's projected at #6.  that's $5.4 million his first year.

Lurk

Quote from: vegashog on Mar 11, 2023, 10:21 AMsome of you expect these guys to be instant starters and somehow if they don't look like they are going to lead their teams in scoring they are "not ready".
not sure if serious.  he's projected at #6.  that's $5.4 million his first year.
They'll grow up in a year or two and won't get knocked around so much... and they'll be rich while they're doing it.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times."

animal

Well apparently Gates signed an extension and now has a 25 million dollar buyout. Sounds like somebody was coming after him.
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olive_branch_hog

Quote from: vegashog on Mar 11, 2023, 10:21 AMsome of you expect these guys to be instant starters and somehow if they don't look like they are going to lead their teams in scoring they are "not ready".
not sure if serious.  he's projected at #6.  that's $5.4 million his first year.

That's more of a wish that Ark doled out that kind of NIL money. Paying NSJ 6M to come back to Ark for next season would likely pay for itself in wins (if the boosters cared about that sort of thing).

Texzilla

You leave you leave.  The Alma mater thing is just bullshit ego.  I don't blame Tech for not wanting him back.  What if JFB had gone back to Georgia tech?  Fuck Beard.  He got his dream job and fucked it up after abandoning the team that could have delivered a ring.

mde114

#36
Looks like Texas has a pretty good coach now. I thought Muss might get a shot there but there's no reason to be concerned now.

Piggielicious

Quote from: olive_branch_hog on Mar 11, 2023, 12:39 PMThat's more of a wish that Ark doled out that kind of NIL money. Paying NSJ 6M to come back to Ark for next season would likely pay for itself in wins (if the boosters cared about that sort of thing).
I saw nothing in his game that showed he is worth paying 6 million in NIL money. He needs to go where he can work on his game full time and not have the restrictions that come with college basketball.

olive_branch_hog

Quote from: Piggielicious on Mar 11, 2023, 07:15 PMI saw nothing in his game that showed he is worth paying 6 million in NIL money. He needs to go where he can work on his game full time and not have the restrictions that come with college basketball.

He is vastly overrated.

vegashog

mcneese st hires will wade.

bold move in part because the ncaa ruling on him comes in june. he can still be given a show cause.