Coaching Hot Seat and Searches

Started by animal, Mar 08, 2023, 07:47 PM

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no clever name

Adam Ford, I think he is the guy that does FayetteVillians, did an interesting analysis on coach success (SP+) compared to their talent expectations.  It's posted under @adamford92 on twitter.  I suck at the Woopig and the internet so I can't post it, but his numbers make Chadwell look really impressive.  Those numbers are also respectful for Odom, Kinne and Elko.

I have no idea how effective the numbers are to expected performance but it is an interesting look. Success beyond our talent level should be our determining factor when hiring a football coach.

vegashog

Quote from: Pinkphiloyd on Nov 14, 2023, 12:29 PMI don't know where else to say this, so I'm going to say it here.  WTF is this shit?  This is absolutely hilarious to me.
are you a member of the rant already? everyone gets into that by just signing up.

the team boards you ask for an invite. it usually takes a day or two because i think they only have one mod on the hog board.

SwahiliSteve

Quote from: vegashog on Nov 14, 2023, 01:29 PMare you a member of the rant already? everyone gets into that by just signing up.

the team boards you ask for an invite. it usually takes a day or two because i think they only have one mod on the hog board.
why in the fuck are you bitches cheating on the woopig. You need to be scolded
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mde114

Quote from: animal on Nov 14, 2023, 12:57 PMI do think the bar is fairly low...win FIU lose to Mizz and he's safe somehow. Lose both and Shirley they can do better.

I tend to agree. As long as he beats FIU and doesn't get embarrassed by Mizzou, Pittman will be here next season.

DRYANKNPULL

Quote from: no clever name on Nov 14, 2023, 01:16 PMAdam Ford, I think he is the guy that does FayetteVillians, did an interesting analysis on coach success (SP+) compared to their talent expectations.  It's posted under @adamford92 on twitter.  I suck at the Woopig and the internet so I can't post it, but his numbers make Chadwell look really impressive.  Those numbers are also respectful for Odom, Kinne and Elko.

I have no idea how effective the numbers are to expected performance but it is an interesting look. Success beyond our talent level should be our determining factor when hiring a football coach.

This is intriguing. Hopefully somebody that doesn't suck at this can help post it for further investigation.

BASS

I believe our propensity to get blown out by Mizzou is quite strong.
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bigpig

If Sam is telling recruits he's going to be here for years, he should be fired for cause for trying to destroy our program.

No recruit is going to come play for him. He shouldn't be allowed to drive them away like that!
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jdcatty

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 14, 2023, 01:55 PMThis is intriguing. Hopefully somebody that doesn't suck at this can help post it for further investigation.
I saw it but didn't understand it so didn't post it.  I'll find it.
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The Whyte Boar

We're getting embarrassed by Mizzou.  Nerd boy is literally jizzing in his pants right now thinking about what he is going to do to Pittman's Hogs.  I don't think 70 points is out of the question if our defense lays down like it did Saturday.  We know the offense won't take any pressure off of them.  Once Mizzou scores twice, there will be a whole lot of quit.  And Drink will not call off the dogs because he lives to humiliate us and Mizzou will be trying to make a statement.

no clever name

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 14, 2023, 01:55 PMThis is intriguing. Hopefully somebody that doesn't suck at this can help post it for further investigation.

https://twitter.com/AdamFord92/status/1724126538084266463

Can't believe that worked.  Well it worked in the preview.

jdcatty

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SwahiliSteve

Quote from: BASS on Nov 14, 2023, 01:55 PMI believe our propensity to get blown out by Mizzou is quite strong.
there is no way we win that game. Wtf
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BASS

Quote from: SwahiliSteve on Nov 14, 2023, 02:09 PMthere is no way we win that game. Wtf

Pretty sure you and I are on the same page.

This Ford guy knows his stuff more often than not. Not the first time I've heard/seen good things about chadwell. Get him on the phone.
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The Whyte Boar

Odom is +4 because he is a good coach but terrible recruiter.  Kiffin is really impressive because he is a great recruiter who still manages to outperform his rankings.

jdcatty

Could someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton?  I don't understand what he is saying at all.
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SwahiliSteve

Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 02:52 PMCould someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton?  I don't understand what he is saying at all.
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bigpig

Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 02:52 PMCould someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton?  I don't understand what he is saying at all.

+ means you do more with the talent you have
- means you underperform despite your talent level

Pittman brings in okay talent but doesn't get the most out of them, versus someone like Kiffin who brings in good talent and maximizes them, or someone like Odom who doesn't bring in good talent, but gets every drop he can out of what he has.


Pittman is doing less with less.
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The Whyte Boar

Quote from: jdcatty on Nov 14, 2023, 02:52 PMCould someone please explain that whole + - thing to this simpleton?  I don't understand what he is saying at all.

It is a measure against recruiting rankings.  If a coach is + it means he is exceeding his rankings.  If he is - it means he is performing worse than his rankings say he should.

Most SEC coaches are on the minus side because they recruit so well.  So, Kiffin is really impressive because he recruits really well and exceeds what his rankings say he should.  Odom with his +4 looks impressive too, but the  you remember his records were usually in the 7-5 range and his reputation is as a guy who hates to recruit.  So that tells you his recruiting was atrocious but his coaching was great to get them to that 7 win area.

Show-Me Hog

Quote from: bigpig on Nov 14, 2023, 02:57 PM+ means you do more with the talent you have
- means you underperform despite your talent level

Pittman brings in okay talent but doesn't get the most out of them, versus someone like Kiffin who brings in good talent and maximizes them, or someone like Odom who doesn't bring in good talent, but gets every drop he can out of what he has.


Pittman is doing less with less.

Where are all the +s then? He only listed a couple and with a small number.

Like W/L shouldn't it balance out to -0- if you include all coaches?

Show-Me Hog

Saw an interesting suggestion for A&M.  Dabo Swinney.

He has shown in the past he has the ability to operate a program at the NC level.

Been down recently so Clemson may be tiring of him, and he of them.  But he's still young-ish as coaches go.

And he's the perfect kind of cornpone white guy to fit into A&M culture.