LA TECH Game Thread - Sam’s Do or Die not really

[BleedinRed]

My gut says Bobby isn't taking another head coaching gig for any amount of money.  This most likely will be his last stop before retirement.  If by some chance he does, it 100% isn't going to be some big program with big $s.  

TWill isn't getting a shot at a big program for big $s either.  I can see him getting a shot at a small school for small $s...and then never heard from again.

[jdcatty]

So what if Petrino gets a shot to HC another big program with the big $ and leaves? And same for TWill?  What players are portaling out?  Guarantee Sam hasn't given it a single thought.

It is certainly reasonable to question the coaching decisions in the game.  But I don't think the man is stupid-- he is thinking about all those things. I'll bet he knows what Petrino is thinking.  Twill, who started off hot, and in my view finished a little cooler, is much younger so it is quite reasonable to believe he will get other offers.

Pittman is obviously thinking about his personnel.  That is why he has positioned Kutas and Miguel Mitchell to use this as a redshirt year.  I think he probably knows whether Green is coming back. 

[egregious]

If so, what have we lost?  You can't go a lot lower than 12th-13th anyway. 

unless the league adds more teams

There have been 4 teams added after us and one team with us.  We are worse than 4 and maybe about equal with OU.

[vegashog]

My gut says Bobby isn't taking another head coaching gig for any amount of money.  This most likely will be his last stop before retirement.  If by some chance he does, it 100% isn't going to be some big program with big $s. 

TWill isn't getting a shot at a big program for big $s either.  I can see him getting a shot at a small school for small $s...and then never heard from again.

which opening is there for petrino to take? there's no decent p4 programs that are making a change.

he's the 6th highest paid oc in the country. watching film and game planning, just what he says he likes to do.

[BASS]

When 1/4 of the team will portal out and you bring in 25 players with only one or two years of eligibility every year, what in God's name is the justification for a redshirt?

[animal]

So after 20 something years we're right back to...

1. Who can we get that's better

2. Be careful what you wish for

3. A lot of programs would like to go bowling

4. It's the media's fault we suck and also have no money to compete (we crootin yaw)

5. Digital Billboards have replaced airplane banners.

[The Whyte Boar]

So after 20 something years we're right back to...

1. Who can we get that's better

2. Be careful what you wish for

3. A lot of programs would like to go bowling

4. It's the media's fault we suck and also have no money to compete (we crootin yaw)

5. Digital Billboards have replaced airplane banners.

Yeah, but compared to this idiot, Nutt could actually coach. 

I feel dirty saying it, but Nutt was twice as good as Sam.

[HogOfWar]

Yeah, but compared to this idiot, Nutt could actually coach. 

I feel dirty saying it, but Nutt was twice as good as Sam.

Great cheerleader, not a great coach.

[The Whyte Boar]

Great cheerleader, not a great coach.

Well, that cheerleader could get it done from time to time and tended to surprise.  Sam is real predictable.  He is going to be celebrating this bowl eligibility and we'll get beat by two touchdowns in Columbia.

[HogOfWar]

Well, that cheerleader could get it done from time to time and tended to surprise.  Sam is real predictable.  He is going to be celebrating this bowl eligibility and we'll get beat by two touchdowns in Columbia.

Few and far between and only successful with other coaches players and miracles, but agree on GVN.

[flash23]

So what if Petrino gets a shot to HC another big program with the big $ and leaves? And same for TWill?  What players are portaling out?  Guarantee Sam hasn't given it a single thought.

Who has come calling for Petrino since he was let go at Louisville? I doubt he was at Missouri State because he really loved Springfield, but maybe I'm wrong. He's old and has a shit ton of baggage, and I think it's safe to say his system definitely thrives with guys he develops, not one year guys who are gonna transfer out.

As far as T-Will, he might get a shot somewhere, but I think the shine has worn off of him. The shine he got from the TN game has worn off with as bad as their offense has looked this season. Ole Miss could have scored 100 on us, and a bad Florida team held them to 17 points. Is he really that irreplaceable?

[Texzilla]

Who has come calling for Petrino since he was let go at Louisville? I doubt he was at Missouri State because he really loved Springfield, but maybe I'm wrong. He's old and has a shit ton of baggage, and I think it's safe to say his system definitely thrives with guys he develops, not one year guys who are gonna transfer out.

As far as T-Will, he might get a shot somewhere, but I think the shine has worn off of him. The shine he got from the TN game has worn off with as bad as their offense has looked this season. Ole Miss could have scored 100 on us, and a bad Florida team held them to 17 points. Is he really that irreplaceable?

I was responding to a post celebrating another season of the coordinators to seat their games.  Personally I think Petrino's offense is too complex for a transient roster, and TWill didn't make adjustments to counter film study of early success.  The current game needs coaches who understand how to manage constant change and cycling new players.  Sam won't play bench to develop anyone he'll have the time he doesn't know who's playing. 

[Gambler]

Kiffin would be a huge upgrade over Pittman. It's not even debatable.

I'd take him yesterday. It would be nice to see a number by our name every now and then. We might not win the big game with him, but at least there would be big games.

[Barton Fink]

I don't think Petrino cares to be a HC again either.

Prior to NIL coaching was a major factor in getting better talent. The elite coaches are mostly successful because they have been able to bring in better players. Saban, as successful as he was, was great because of talent. When he was in the NFL he was a mediocre coach. Why? Because he didn't have a talent advantage. Does anyone think Debo is a football genius? Hell no, he brought in elite talent.

I remember an interview with Saban years ago and he talked about when he was hired at Bama. The AD made a comment that they just hired the best coach in college football. Saban pulled him aside and said "You didn't hire the best coach in college football. You hired the best recruiter in college football"

NIL changes the playing field for getting talent. It allows schools like us to gain an advantage. To get lids today money > history > location, etc. Bringing in better talent can make a good coach look great.

My point is Pittman (in my opinion) isn't making decisions to cost us games. Is he perfect? Hell no. However, I would argue coordinators have as much, if not more, inpact on games and I think we have 2 good one's. Bringing in better players with the 2 coordinator's we have would make a big difference. Much bigger difference than switching coaches imo.

[jdcatty]

When 1/4 of the team will portal out and you bring in 25 players with only one or two years of eligibility every year, what in God's name is the justification for a redshirt?

Lots of players, especially linemen, actually play for 5 years or so.  These days it isn't necessarily with the same team, but having extra years of eligibility is certainly a good thing for development.

[The Whyte Boar]

Lots of players, especially linemen, actually play for 5 years or so.  These days it isn't necessarily with the same team, but having extra years of eligibility is certainly a good thing for development.

It certainly gives them more marketability to demand better terms from their new teams.

[DirkPiggler]

I don't think Petrino cares to be a HC again either.

Prior to NIL coaching was a major factor in getting better talent. The elite coaches are mostly successful because they have been able to bring in better players. Saban, as successful as he was, was great because of talent. When he was in the NFL he was a mediocre coach. Why? Because he didn't have a talent advantage. Does anyone think Debo is a football genius? Hell no, he brought in elite talent.

I remember an interview with Saban years ago and he talked about when he was hired at Bama. The AD made a comment that they just hired the best coach in college football. Saban pulled him aside and said "You didn't hire the best coach in college football. You hired the best recruiter in college football"

NIL changes the playing field for getting talent. It allows schools like us to gain an advantage. To get lids today money > history > location, etc. Bringing in better talent can make a good coach look great.

My point is Pittman (in my opinion) isn't making decisions to cost us games. Is he perfect? Hell no. However, I would argue coordinators have as much, if not more, inpact on games and I think we have 2 good one's. Bringing in better players with the 2 coordinator's we have would make a big difference. Much bigger difference than switching coaches imo.

This year I'd agree his decisions haven't cost us.  Last year and the year before they cost us 4-5 games total.

I still think you're overstating the effect of marginal improvements in talent. 

You used the example of Saban.  Alabama recruited the same caliber of players since Bear Bryant was drinking whiskey on the sidelines.  Only Bear and Saban won at the highest level consistently.   The mediocre to bad coaches between them had a few good years mixed in with a lot of average or below seasons.  A moron can get lucky and win with a bunch of self motivated stars, but he's going to underachieve most of the time.

Give Saban and Sam the same level of talent and Saban is winning at least 8/10.   I want a guy who if his roster is outmanned is going to give you a chance, who will beat you most of the time if the talent is equal, and who will always win when he has a clear advantage.  Sam has succeeded at times with the first, but failed at the last two.

[Lurk]

It certainly gives them more marketability to demand better terms from their new teams.

Which brings me to a point I brought up long ago. Buy linemen.

[Barton Fink]

This year I'd agree his decisions haven't cost us.  Last year and the year before they cost us 4-5 games total.

I still think you're overstating the effect of marginal improvements in talent. 

You used the example of Saban.  Alabama recruited the same caliber of players since Bear Bryant was drinking whiskey on the sidelines.  Only Bear and Saban won at the highest level consistently.   The mediocre to bad coaches between them had a few good years mixed in with a lot of average or below seasons.  A moron can get lucky and win with a bunch of self motivated stars, but he's going to underachieve most of the time.

Give Saban and Sam the same level of talent and Saban is winning at least 8/10.   I want a guy who if his roster is outmanned is going to give you a chance, who will beat you most of the time if the talent is equal, and who will always win when he has a clear advantage.  Sam has succeeded at times with the first, but failed at the last two.

The problem is you're not replacing Pittman with Saban. You're replacing him with Odom and the like that likely come with the same coaching concerns Pittman has.

You can't tell me that putting money into OL and a better QB this year wouldn't yield the potential of better results than replacing Pittman with a realistic replacement.

You've always been a Petrino supporter. Do you think we should close that book? Do you think we likely get a better OC if Pittman is replaced? You're essentially saying if I give Petrino marginally better talent he can't so anything with more it (not Pittman). I don't believe that.

This is the closest we will ever get to having Petrino as our coach and we have the chance to buy the best players to let him run his offense. Yet we chose not to because we dont want to support Pittman.

[DirkPiggler]

The problem is you're not replacing Pittman with Saban. You're replacing him with Odom and the like that likely come with the same coaching concerns Pittman has.

You can't tell me that putting money into OL and a better QB this year wouldn't yield the potential of better results than replacing Pittman with a realistic replacement.

You've always been a Petrino supporter. Do you think we should close that book? Do you think we likely get a better OC if Pittman is replaced? You're essentially saying if I give Petrino marginally better talent he can't so anything with more it (not Pittman). I don't believe that.

This is the closest we will ever get to having Petrino as our coach and we have the chance to buy the best players to let him run his offense. Yet we chose not to because we dont want to support Pittman.

I'm all for upgrading those positions since we are keeping Pittman. 

I don't think this is anywhere near the same Petrino we had thirteen years ago either.  But since we are keeping Pittman I would prefer to keep the staff intact for continuity's sake. That applies to both sides of the ball. 

Let's turn this around a bit.  Suppose retaining Pittman is preventing some from adding massively to our NIL fund.  If that is the case would you support moving on and trying the next guy who might have more funds available for talent acquisition?