Portal thread. Who’s leaving, who’s coming.

[Barton Fink]

When this program shows a commitment to win, then I'll believe it. Not a second before.  Better throw a ton of money in NIL and hire a good coach with 2 solid coordinators. We've got 32 years of history twlling us that it likely won't happen. The same old fire coach, hire coach, has rarely ever worked out as someone pointed out. Till then, I'll put what fairh I have in the one guy rhat has won big here and is our current OC. .Has absolutely ZERO to do with Pittman.

[The Whyte Boar]

When this program shows a commitment to win, then I'll believe it. Not a second before.  Better throw a ton of money in NIL and hire a good coach with 2 solid coordinators. We've got 32 years of history twlling us that it likely won't happen. The same old fire coach, hire coach, has rarely ever worked out as someone pointed out. Till then, I'll put what fairh I have in the one guy rhat has won big here and is our current OC. .Has absolutely ZERO to do with Pittman.

You should probably tell Pittman and the people paying his salary that.

[Barton Fink]

Kid's are going where the money is. Plain and simple. There have been countless examples of this from coaches and players.

[The Whyte Boar]

Kid's are going where the money is. Plain and simple. There have been countless examples of this from coaches and players.

So he isn't responsible for recruiting?  It's only down to money?

[BleedinRed]

I mean,I'm just trying to figure out what he thinks Sam does well and why we should be keeping him.

He hires good assistants.  

[Barton Fink]

Yes he's responsible for recruiting but if he tells a kid he only has $100k he can give the kid (let's say he LOVES Pittman) and another school (let's say he HATES the school/coach) is gonna give him $200k, where do you think he's gonna go?

[The Whyte Boar]

He hires good assistants. 

Who win six games.

[The Whyte Boar]

Yes he's responsible for recruiting but if he tells a kid he only has $100k he can give the kid (let's say he LOVES Pittman) and another school (let's say he HATES the school/coach) is gonna give him $200k, where do you think he's gonna go?

So what it Pittman has $100k and the other school has $100k?  Is Pittman responsible then? 

[Barton Fink]

Who win six games.

With 15th ranked talent in the SEC

[The Whyte Boar]

With 15th ranked talent in the SEC

But none of the coaches are responsible for recruiting or NIL money right?

[Barton Fink]

So what it Pittman has $100k and the other school has $100k?  Is Pittman responsible then? 

There are two different word at play here, responsible and reason. In your scenario he would be one of the main reasons where the kid chose. He is always responsible for recruiting.

Do you think all of the players leaving for ON are going there for the same money?

[The Whyte Boar]

There are two different word at play here, responsible and reason. In your scenario he would be one of the main reasons where the kid chose. He is always responsible for recruiting.

Do you think all of the players leaving for ON are going there for the same money?

Do you think all kids leaving the program are leaving for more money? 

[BleedinRed]

Who win six games.

So our assistants are not good and everyone should be fired.  Got it.  And agree. 

[Barton Fink]

But none of the coaches are responsible for recruiting or NIL money right?

NIL should fall more on the AD than the coach. NIL is not just football. AD's have always had the responsibility of raising money for coaches, facilities, etc. They should bare the weight of NIL as well. Many, including myself, have been critical of HY for this.

You think Lane Kiffen is going door to door asking for money? Hell no, He's got an AD and boosters working for him.

[Barton Fink]

Do you think all kids leaving the program are leaving for more money? 

I bet 90% are for more money or more PT. Most guys that left never saw the field.

[The Whyte Boar]

So our assistants are not good and everyone should be fired.  Got it.  And agree.

They just need a couple more years to install their systems with these one year players and we're gonna see some awesome results.  I mean it's the only option we have.  Gotta stay the course.

[The Whyte Boar]

NIL should fall more on the AD than the coach. NIL is not just football. AD's have always had the responsibility of raising money for coaches, facilities, etc. They should bare the weight of NIL as well. Many, including myself, have been critical of HY for this.

You think Lane Kiffen is going door to door asking for money? Hell no, He's got an AD and boosters working for him.

Actually Lane Kiffin is extremely involved in NIL and lobbies fans and big boosters directly for money.

[Barton Fink]

Ok Mintzy.

[Barton Fink]

They just need a couple more years to install their systems with these one year players and we're gonna see some awesome results.  I mean it's the only option we have.  Gotta stay the course.

We just need someone who can take that top 15 talent and consistently make it top 5. A dine a dozen. 

[BleedinRed]

They just need a couple more years to install their systems with these one year players and we're gonna see some awesome results.  I mean it's the only option we have.  Gotta stay the course.

I do believe we are a 6-8 win max program year to year.  With the right coach we might get in that 8 to 10 win range.

With that said, I'm a firm believer if a guy produces 6-8 wins a year, every year for 4 or 5 years, it's time to give someone else a shot.  That was my position with Nut and that's what I think about Sam. 

With that said, since Hatfield's first season in 1984, we have had 8 head coaches.  I don't count the bridge guys like Hearing and Smile.  That is a new coach every 5 years.  Which fits my 5 years max for shitty average results. 

So, I don't know what the right answer is other than it is what it is.  I'm fairly defeated as a fan.