Portal thread. Who’s leaving, who’s coming.

[The Whyte Boar]

I mean,I'm just trying to figure out what he thinks Sam does well and why we should be keeping him.

[Barton Fink]

I've stated numerous times I'm not big SP fan. He's par for the course for Arkansas coaches. If you're gonna fire him, fine. Odds are we're gonna hire the next par for the course coach. Until we make the commitment to compete money wise, we're gonna keep getting the same results.
 
I've also stated numerous times that the one coach that has won big here is calling plays. He's arguably the best play caller in the country. If you got BP better players (and TWill) you're probably gonna get better results. So for the last time, I'm for BP and getting him better talent. I could care less about SP.

[Barton Fink]

I mean,I'm just trying to figure out what he thinks Sam does well and why we should be keeping him.

He's a CEO HC. He does not call offense. He does not call defense. CEO head coaches are gonna have to hire hood coordinators, motivate players, games management, etc. If a game has 120 plays (60 offense/60 defense), who do you think impacts the game the most? Pittman or his coordinators?

[The Whyte Boar]

He's a CEO HC. He does not call offense. He does not call defense. CEO head coaches are gonna have to hire hood coordinators, motivate players, games management, etc. If a game has 120 plays (60 offense/60 defense), who do you think impacts the game the most? Pittman or his coordinators?

So, what, in your mind what does a CEO coach do and does he do it well?

Pittman.

[Show-Me Hog]

CEO head coaches are gonna have to hire hood coordinators

This would probably be more helpful in basketball than football.

[red death]

I've stated numerous times I'm not big SP fan. He's par for the course for Arkansas coaches. If you're gonna fire him, fine. Odds are we're gonna hire the next par for the course coach. Until we make the commitment to compete money wise, we're gonna keep getting the same results.
 
I've also stated numerous times that the one coach that has won big here is calling plays. He's arguably the best play caller in the country. If you got BP better players (and TWill) you're probably gonna get better results. So for the last time, I'm for BP and getting him better talent. I could care less about SP.

This is where I stand.

I only stomach Pittman because he hired Bobby here.  I'd like to see another year of Petrino and Green.  I think Green will be much improved next year.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.  As long as Sam keeps getting to bowl games he's the coach here.  There are no plans by our money boosters to fork out the dough to make the football program great.  John Tyson loves basketball and is friends with Cal.  We got lucky there.

And now for a completely unpopular opinion on this board:

It's shocking how well Sam has actually done here with no head coaching chops whatsoever.  I would've figured he'd be long gone by now.  There's been a few OL coaches that got jobs in the SEC, the last I remember was some fat guy at Vandy.  He went 2-24 or some shit and got canned. 

The fact that Sam has basically the same record that Bielema had here was not something I expected. And Bielema is not a bad coach. 

[Barton Fink]

I have asked you probably 20 questions in this thread, including just above, and you've yet to answer one of them.

Just the same old rhetoric.

Reading also is not a strong suit either I see. If you look right above in my last post I listed some things a CEO coach does.

For fucks sake, I'd love to see one of you two coach our program. Can't imagine how that would work out....

[Barton Fink]

This would probably be more helpful in basketball than football.

There's some pretty good hood coaches in football too.

[TC]

I have asked you probably 20 questions in this thread, including just above, and you've yet to answer one of them.

Just the same old rhetoric.

Reading also is not a strong suit either I see. If you look right above in my last post I listed some things a CEO coach does.

For fucks sake, I'd love to see one of you two coach our program. Can't imagine how that would work out....

No, you're not defending SP AT ALL..lol.  Yet out of the other side of your mouth you say things like this, and "well any other coach is just gonna do the same," which is just like the ole, "But who else we gonna git?"

[Barton Fink]

This is where I stand.

I only stomach Pittman because he hired Bobby here.  I'd like to see another year of Petrino and Green.  I think Green will be much improved next year.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.  As long as Sam keeps getting to bowl games he's the coach here.  There are no plans by our money boosters to fork out the dough to make the football program great.  John Tyson loves basketball and is friends with Cal.  We got lucky there.

And now for a completely unpopular opinion on this board:

It's shocking how well Sam has actually done here with no head coaching chops whatsoever.  I would've figured he'd be long gone by now.  There's been a few OL coaches that got jobs in the SEC, the last I remember was some fat guy at Vandy.  He went 2-24 or some shit and got canned. 

The fact that Sam has basically the same record that Bielema had here was not something I expected. And Bielema is not a bad coach. 

He's done better than I expected as well. Is he an elite football coach? Hell no. He knows football. I think he knows his limitations. He knows he's only as successful as his coordinators. He realized that last year and canned Enos midseason.

[Barton Fink]

No, you're not defending SP AT ALL..lol.  Yet out of the other side of your mouth you say things like this, and "well any other coach is just gonna do the same," which is just like the ole, "But who else we gonna git?"

If you think my comments mean I'm defending SP, I don't know what else  to say. I've clearly stated 100x, obviously not enough, that I support getting BOBBY PETRINO more talent and could care less who the HC is. If you don't see that our coordinators have impacted our results under SP more than anything, you might wanna start watching another sport.

History shows it's a damn good chance we will the level coach again. Then the bitching will start back in a couple years. Same as always.

[TC]

If you think my comments mean I'm defending SP, I don't know what else  to say. I've clearly stated 100x, obviously not enough, that I support getting BOBBY PETRINO more talent and could care less who the HC is. If you don't see that our coordinators have impacted our results under SP more than anything, you might wanna start watching another sport.

History shows it's a damn good chance we will the level coach again. Then the bitching will start back in a couple years. Same as always.

Start watching another sport, stop following you around...It's okay to discuss this stuff without the childish bullshit like that, bud. You're better than that.

And you are defending him..."Who else we gonna get?  They'll just have the same record. Money is the problem, not coaching. He's a CEO with good assistants so does he really have an impact on the games? He's done better than expected."

Those are defenses of Sam Pittman.

[gorillawarfare]

This is me

Yup fuck all this shit.  I'll watch and support if we're winning.  If we're losing like we usually do I'll just go on about my life.  Big transition from planning every weekend in the fall around this laughing stock of a program.   Probably best for my mental health in the long run

[Barton Fink]

Start watching another sport, stop following you around...It's okay to discuss this stuff without the childish bullshit like that, bud. You're better than that.

And you are defending him..."Who else we gonna get?  They'll just have the same record. Money is the problem, not coaching. He's a CEO with good assistants so does he really have an impact on the games? He's done better than expected."

Those are defenses of Sam Pittman.

No they're not. It's reality.

[PorkyPig]

I'm thinking it's a combination of not much money and subpar coaching.  It's possible to be both.

[Barton Fink]

If this doesn't tell you the landscape of today's athletics, then nothing will. Larranaga is a good coach. He took George Mason to the FF. He takes Miami to the FF and 8 of his returning players transfer out for more money.

https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1872358787132411906?t=yUJxJuK9NfLhNIL60X9F7w&s=19

[TC]

I'm thinking it's a combination of not much money and subpar coaching.  It's possible to be both.

Yep, which is why I dont think it's even debatable that with the same exact money and any number of head coaches instead of Pittman we have a better record.

[buff2.0]

Give 20 year old me money to play basketball in fucking Miami and I would have never left.  "Coach, I'd really like more NIL but I'll stay and settle for 3 blondes, a color illustrated copy of the Kama Sutra, and 4 gallons of orange flavored sports drink... every weekend that we don't have a game.  And all summer."

[vegashog]

personally, i'll be glad when tomorrow is over and done with and maybe we can just move on. pittman's the coach next season, and nothing of an act of god will change that.

in nine days we can start bitching about cal. and after that van horn.

[red death]

Start watching another sport, stop following you around...It's okay to discuss this stuff without the childish bullshit like that, bud. You're better than that.

And you are defending him..."Who else we gonna get?  They'll just have the same record. Money is the problem, not coaching. He's a CEO with good assistants so does he really have an impact on the games? He's done better than expected."

Those are defenses of Sam Pittman.

I don't think there's any actual Pittman supporters.  If they had decided to can him this year we'd all be on board. 

It's remarkable really.  Nutt was pretty mediocre and he had very ardent and incredibly annoying support here.  I know people who actively hate Petrino to this day.  It was like a cult. 

With Sam nobody really cares.  I think we can just look historically and see that, outside of 1 coach in my lifetime, we've always made the wrong hire. 

Hatfield (should've been Jimmy.)
Crowe
Danny Ford
Houston Nutt (should've been Tuberville thanks Baz)
Bobby Petrino (the actual only home run)
John L
Bert
Egad Chad!
Pittman

That's 9 decisions by administration. 

1/9.  That's about a 12% chance of success.  Why does this happen?

Because Broyles decided Jimmy was too flashy and risky.  He went safe.
Then he made his colossal blunder with Crowe.  Safe.  Colossal fail.  Then inexplicably he goes for Danny Ford, a convicted cheater at Clemson.  Which led us to the snake oil salesman because Broyles had fucked up so much he was toothless to get Tuberville.

Bielema safe.
Chad because Jerrah and Gus lol. 
Pittman because we were desperate.

What's next?  I don't mind rolling the dice personally but, as we have seen, it can and has been a lot worse than what we have. 

In that aspect, in the University of Arkansas tradition, we have once again chosen the safe route. 

No program who wins does it this way.  You have to take risks and you have to lay all your chips on the table.  Ole Miss gets this.  They won't win it all but, by God, they are swinging wildly and you have to respect it.