Portal thread. Who’s leaving, who’s coming.

[Barton Fink]

https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1875189417201316040?t=Ww-VGSJA-Ty7JSsk7l5Krw&s=19

[vegashog]

if they got rid of the redshirt, i have no problem with that.

[HogOfWar]

Not surprised. Another link for the pendulum to swing down destroy what's left of college football.

Wait till someone else sues saying, "I get paid like any other employee, why should I leave?"

[The Whyte Boar]

Not surprised. Another link for the pendulum to swing down destroy what's left of college football.

Wait till someone else sues saying, "I get paid like any other employee, why should I leave?"

That's literally next.  How is it not an unlawful restraint and collusion to limit an employee to a certain number of years?  It clearly is a violation of anti-trust laws.  Clearly.

[HogOfWar]

That's literally next.  How is it not an unlawful restraint and collusion to limit an employee to a certain number of years?  It clearly is a violation of anti-trust laws.  Clearly.

I bet Lane will be the one open that box.

[vegashog]

because they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.

[BleedinRed]

because they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.

The Collegiate Players of America Union will make sure no one is ever fired. 

[TC]

And fire them for what? You can't just fire 15 people every January and claim it's at-will, when it would be pretty easy to argue it's because of their age which is a big no-no.

[jdcatty]

because they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.

Again, you can't call them employees.  That would mean the schools have to provide worker's compensation benefits, insurance benefits, retirement benefits, and god knows what else to each of them.  I don't do enough employment law to know but I suspect they aren't even 1099 workers-- contract workers-- because the money is not coming from the University. 

The whole situation is so fucked up.  I don't think it really means anything when they say "the portal is closed" until such and such date.  There is really nothing to stop them from leaving whenever they want.  At halftime, for god's sake.

[vegashog]

And fire them for what? You can't just fire 15 people every January and claim it's at-will, when it would be pretty easy to argue it's because of their age which is a big no-no.

IF they were employees, yes you can fire them for anything you fucking want. it happens everyday in the real world. just because they are football players, they get some magical power not to be treated like everyone else? nfl, nba, nhl, etc., players never get cut? it's the exact same thing.

they already get 5 years to compete in 4. redshirts and medical hardships have been a thing for forever. IF this is passed and IF they eliminate redshirts, nothing has really changed.

Again, you can't call them employees.  That would mean the schools have to provide worker's compensation benefits, insurance benefits, retirement benefits, and god knows what else to each of them.  I don't do enough employment law to know but I suspect they aren't even 1099 workers-- contract workers-- because the money is not coming from the University. 

The whole situation is so fucked up.  I don't think it really means anything when they say "the portal is closed" until such and such date.  There is really nothing to stop them from leaving whenever they want.  At halftime, for god's sake.

i agree. i was just pointing out the absurdity that employees cannot be fired.

[TC]

IF they were employees, yes you can fire them for anything you fucking want. it happens everyday in the real world. just because they are football players, they get some magical power not to be treated like everyone else? nfl, nba, nhl, etc., players never get cut? it's the exact same thing.

You're talking about At Will, and I agree that ordinarily you can. But what was being discussed was those without eligibility wanting to stick around longer than wanted (and the Tweet quoted above re: the NCAA extending eligibility).

If you "fire" 10 super seniors because they've "aged out" and you dont want them anymore, then you're gonna have problems on your hands. Try firing a group en masse that all have something in common (age), and you're gonna have lawsuits.

[The Whyte Boar]

because they are not employees? and if they somehow ever do become employees, they can be let go like any other person in any other profession. whether you flip burgers or are a chairman of the board, someone can fire you.

One court has already concluded they are employees.  Sure, you can fire any employee.  But you and every other burger joint in town can't get together and decide that you are all going to fire all of your burger flippers every four years.  That's a violation of anti-trust laws.

[Barton Fink]

Gonna guess this is just for hoops.

https://x.com/brodysheetzESPN/status/1875212379862241608?t=OxHLQxJFh5ZqNXDK7HOezA&s=19

[hit_that_line]

Unlimited?

AIDS drugs aren't cheap.

[Thin Red Swine]

Unlimited?

AIDS drugs aren't cheap.

After 30 years, I'd say he's on the other side of it.

[vegashog]

One court has already concluded they are employees.  Sure, you can fire any employee.  But you and every other burger joint in town can't get together and decide that you are all going to fire all of your burger flippers every four years.  That's a violation of anti-trust laws.

please explain why professional athletes, who are real employees, can't be cut (same fucking thing) because of anti-trust laws. players that have a union no less.

[Borenutz]

please explain why professional athletes, who are real employees, can't be cut (same fucking thing) because of anti-trust laws. players that have a union no less.

That would be different if every team did that on the exact same cadence though, right?

[vegashog]

That would be different if every team did that on the exact same cadence though, right?

no, there's the roster cuts to get to 53. happens for every team during the same time period.

[Barton Fink]

Unlimited?

AIDS drugs aren't cheap.

He owns a ton of Starbucks.

[The Whyte Boar]

please explain why professional athletes, who are real employees, can't be cut (same fucking thing) because of anti-trust laws. players that have a union no less.

You're not getting the point.  This country has anti-trust laws.  Employers, which is what schools potentially are, can't collude to set conditions regarding employment of their workers.  That's why Congress way back in the 1920s gave baseball a special anti-trust exemption.  That allows the various teams in a league to collude and make rules concerning salaries, trades, employment rules and all that.  It was necessary to insure level playing grounds for competition.  Football, the NBA, and other professional sports don't have the anti-trust exemption.  So they get around those laws by having players associations which are effectively, unions, to collectively bargain with the leagues to establish all that.

The NCAA has neither an anti-trust exemption nor players associations.  Players associations may be difficult with players being so young and other factors.  So, that's why so many people say Congress is going to have to get involved.  It's why Tuberville is working on a bill now.  All of this is necessitated by a court ruling a few years ago finding that schools couldn't collude to limit the earnings of athletes who were essentially employees.

So, to answer your question there is no reason a school can't fire a player.  But theoretically there is a problem with all the schools colluding to decide that all players will be fired after four or five years of eligibility no matter what.