Portal thread. Who’s leaving, who’s coming.

[Pig Benis]

Jesus Christ

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19

Absurd. Maybe we can get him for $3.5MM.

[vegashog]

Are we gonna take Pringle and Malique Ewin?

looking like it.

fwiw i read that mcpherson said that both of those guy's paperwork have been done, just waiting on the commits. dead period ends tonight and cal has always said he wants his players to commit on campus, so maybe this weekend they'll announce. or go to kentucky at the last minute.

[Pig Benis]

looking like it.

fwiw i read that mcpherson said that both of those guy's paperwork have been done, just waiting on the commits. dead period ends tonight and cal has always said he wants his players to commit on campus, so maybe this weekend they'll announce. or go to kentucky at the last minute.

https://x.com/tiptonedits/status/1910456884974543141

Does McPherson actually know anything?

[vegashog]

should have known better.

[Doc Hogaday]

Does McPherson actually know anything?

I blocked that guy years ago.

[DrMongoose]

Jesus Christ

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19

Jesus Christ

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1910443173437989313?t=z1J2xJN_ebxssxXeFAq8KA&s=19

I would like to see said contract that is not binding despite both parties signing.
If the player contracts are not accountable then how are the contracts coaches sign? Or any contract?

[animal]

I think by some kind of agreement with the NCAA the NIL "contracts" these players sign are non-binding. So I'm not entirely sure what that means but I'm sure the agents who represent these athletes do. The thing I've never been overly clear on is if these kids are getting a lot of money up front or is it typically trickled in over the course of a academic year. It would make more sense for these NIL givers to not drop a lot of non-binding coin on a kid that's not even enrolled in school etc.

[vegashog]

nil deals cannot prevent a player from entering the portal. and since texas doesn't allow schools to pay players directly, if there was any 'one million dollar' agreement signed, it would have to have been with a booster or their collective.

the guy in the video says this is happening a lot right now, so i kind of doubt any actual cash had been paid out.

[Show-Me Hog]

nil deals cannot prevent a player from entering the portal.

Why not? Or at least, why couldn't they, since I haven't actually read any of them? Many contracts contain a penalty clause. Very simple. If you play for Texas next year I'll give you a million dollars. If you don't play anywhere, nobody pays anything. If you play for another school, you owe me a million dollars.

[vegashog]

Why not? Or at least, why couldn't they, since I haven't actually read any of them? Many contracts contain a penalty clause. Very simple. If you play for Texas next year I'll give you a million dollars. If you don't play anywhere, nobody pays anything. If you play for another school, you owe me a million dollars.

ncaa rules allow athletes to enter the portal regardless of their nil agreement(s). that's something that might be changed in the house settlement but how it might happen is very much up in the air.

"NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals are distinct from traditional athletic contracts in college sports. While NIL deals allow athletes to monetize their personal brand, they are not contracts tied to their athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school. NIL contracts are essentially marketing agreements where athletes are compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness."

like i said, if this deal was done it had to be between their collective or a booster. what recourse, if any, would be up to the deal and the parties involved, but it won't keep the kid from transferring.

[Show-Me Hog]

ncaa rules allow athletes to enter the portal regardless of their nil agreement(s). that's something that might be changed in the house settlement but how it might happen is very much up in the air.

"NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals are distinct from traditional athletic contracts in college sports. While NIL deals allow athletes to monetize their personal brand, they are not contracts tied to their athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school. NIL contracts are essentially marketing agreements where athletes are compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness."

like i said, if this deal was done it had to be between their collective or a booster. what recourse, if any, would be up to the deal and the parties involved, but it won't keep the kid from transferring.

The million dollar penalty clause in the private deal is what will keep the kid from transferring. Unless someone at the new school can cover it.

Nothing to do with NCAA rules, which have become completely toothless and irrelevant anyway.

[DirkPiggler]

ncaa rules allow athletes to enter the portal regardless of their nil agreement(s). that's something that might be changed in the house settlement but how it might happen is very much up in the air.

"NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals are distinct from traditional athletic contracts in college sports. While NIL deals allow athletes to monetize their personal brand, they are not contracts tied to their athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school. NIL contracts are essentially marketing agreements where athletes are compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness."

like i said, if this deal was done it had to be between their collective or a booster. what recourse, if any, would be up to the deal and the parties involved, but it won't keep the kid from transferring.

The NCAA can't regulate anything that is negotiated between an athlete and a private individual or business to my knowledge.  If someone pays an athlete and that player leaves for another school then caveat emptor applies.

If I were throwing that kind of money around I'd make damned sure there was some sort of protection.  But there will likely always be someone who will put fewer restrictions on their deal to entice recruits to leave.  Without a standardized contract (and collective bargaining, and players unions) there is nothing the schools or the NCAA can really do about it.

[vegashog]

The NCAA can't regulate anything that is negotiated between an athlete and a private individual or business to my knowledge.  If someone pays an athlete and that player leaves for another school then caveat emptor applies.

If I were throwing that kind of money around I'd make damned sure there was some sort of protection.  But there will likely always be someone who will put fewer restrictions on their deal to entice recruits to leave.  Without a standardized contract (and collective bargaining, and players unions) there is nothing the schools or the NCAA can really do about it.

"No, NIL deals cannot be directly tied to a student-athlete's enrollment at a particular school. The NCAA's rules and many state laws prohibit compensation contingent on enrollment, ensuring that NIL deals are based on true quid pro quo, meaning the athlete must provide a service or perform an activity to receive payment."

and texas, in this guy's case, is one of those states that have laws that prevent enrollment being part of an nil deal.

you and i might be talking about two different things. i was addressing enrollment and nil.

No one is signing a deal like that.

exactly.

[Keyser Soooie]

Why not? Or at least, why couldn't they, since I haven't actually read any of them? Many contracts contain a penalty clause. Very simple. If you play for Texas next year I'll give you a million dollars. If you don't play anywhere, nobody pays anything. If you play for another school, you owe me a million dollars.

No one is signing a deal like that.

[Show-Me Hog]

"No, NIL deals cannot be directly tied to a student-athlete's enrollment at a particular school. The NCAA's rules and many state laws prohibit compensation contingent on enrollment, ensuring that NIL deals are based on true quid pro quo, meaning the athlete must provide a service or perform an activity to receive payment."

and texas, in this guy's case, is one of those states that have laws that prevent enrollment being part of an nil deal.

None of this makes any sense or would stand up in court. These laws are from that brief period of time when "NIL" meant paying someone for their name, image, or likeness. Now, it means paying someone to play sports at a particular school.

No play no pay.  Every court in the country would uphold that.

As to "NIL", you can put a kitten in the oven, but that don't make it a biscuit.

[Show-Me Hog]

No one is signing a deal like that.

Then you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.

[DirkPiggler]

Then you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.

That's smart on your part. 

But if the player is highly coveted enough, someone else will pay him that amount.  Or instead of taking your million with strings attached, he may take $800K with no strings from your rival school.  If he has a remotely competent agent (which from what I've seen is doubtful in most cases) that representative will be able to accurately compare the value of each of those deals and steer him towards the best one.

[Sus-Scrofa]

Then you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.

Plenty of schools will pay without the negative provisions.

That's the problem.  You can't put provisions like that in the contract because someone else will pay the good players without it.

[Keyser Soooie]

Then you don't get my million. It takes two to tango.

If I'm good enough to get you to offer me 1 million, someone else certainly will...without your stipulations.

[vegashog]

None of this makes any sense or would stand up in court. These laws are from that brief period of time when "NIL" meant paying someone for their name, image, or likeness. Now, it means paying someone to play sports at a particular school.

No play no pay.  Every court in the country would uphold that.

As to "NIL", you can put a kitten in the oven, but that don't make it a biscuit.

i've shown the rules. now you show me where players are bound to stay at a school because of nil deals or they are based on performance. not anecdotes, but real rules.

bottom line is this kid will go to byu for a bigger bag and not a damn thing will be done.