The NEXT Coach

[DirkPiggler]

Yes, I've seen that.  As well as people saying that HY is the only AD that Gruden follows on X.  Which strikes me as the same schtick as the tie thing.  Gruden is overrated and I think would be a massive flop as far as success on the field.

You have a point there.  I think Odom would actually try... He doesn't strike me as the type of guy to come in and grift a golden parachute.  Not that I'm advocating him as the next HC.  That said, this conference will chew up and spit out anyone who doesn't have a whole ton of will power and testicular fortitude.  Take Sam.  I think he really wanted to do well, and that he tried, but was in over his head... then over the last couple of years just let go of the rope because he was worn down and tired from the pressure and the difficulty.  So even those like Odom, may wind up the same way.

You could sell me on Odom over Mullen pretty easily.  Barry was at Missouri before NIL.  He didn't have the ability to go buy key players like Drunkshitz does now.  His results were in line with or slightly better than what Missouri usually does.  He's not all that old...got his start as a HC early, and presumably has learned a few things.  And from watching videos of practice, locker room, etc. while he was here, as well as how he dealt with the prima donna QB who tried for a midseason raise last year at UNLV, he doesn't seem like the type to let his players walk all over him (when he's actually the guy in charge). 

I hope we aim higher, and if that's the route we're taking I'd prefer to keep Bobby.  But I think Odom is a better coach than he's gotten credit for so far.

[Feral]

PS:  I wish the fucking Gruden talk would just go away and die.   

I'm to the point where I just want Gruden to take a job in college football just so he'll inevitably flame out like Belichick and people can STFU about him.

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I don't think they are giving him everything he wants.  Supposedly their NIL is lacking.

I wouldn't say he has an easier path either.  Even if their NIL picks up, which probably isn't happening to a great degree until their boosters no longer have to cover the $45MM per year they aren't getting in media rights, they're still going to be at best 4th/5th and likely still bottom 3-4 in their conference in terms of roster.  Right now they're probably in a similar spot in the ACC as we are in the SEC in terms of resources, roster, etc.

Where are you seeing that?  Serious question.  From what I've seen folks are saying that the checkbooks are wide open for him. 

I don't see how you can say that the path in the ACC isn't easier.  Even IF in terms of $$ they are a little below their competitors, the list of competitors is much shorter and with the exception of maybe Clemson, FSU, and Miami probably not far off in terms of money.  Of course, for all I know Miami may not have great NIL.  Here in the SEC, well... its murderer's row in terms of schedule, but then the direct competition in terms of money is a much steeper climb.

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I'm to the point where I just want Gruden to take a job in college football just so he'll inevitably flame out like Belichick and people can STFU about him.

As long as it isn't our job!

[Borenutz]

The problem with somebody like Mullen or Odom is it will be too easy to make it a retirement lottery ticket. For some reason I think it would would be different with Petrino.

We are never going to be seen as a middle step to a bigger job (at least not since Bowden Wyatt),  so it's either going to be an up and comer or a resurrection. I just think the money is too big and it's too easy for resurfaced, retirement aged coach to just say fuck it when it gets hard. The only person to consider in that scenario is Petrino.

Odom already making 6.5 mil and Mullen 3.5.  48 and 53 years of age.

Petrino also >>>>>>Gruden

[Feral]

As long as it isn't our job!

Meant to add that addendum to my post!

[DirkPiggler]

Where are you seeing that?  Serious question.  From what I've seen folks are saying that the checkbooks are wide open for him. 

I don't see how you can say that the path in the ACC isn't easier.  Even IF in terms of $$ they are a little below their competitors, the list of competitors is much shorter and with the exception of maybe Clemson, FSU, and Miami probably not far off in terms of money.  Of course, for all I know Miami may not have great NIL.  Here in the SEC, well... its murderer's row in terms of schedule, but then the direct competition in terms of money is a much steeper climb.

His financial advisor in LR was telling people around here towards the end of last year that A) Rhett very much wanted this job and B) that their NIL wasn't nearly what people assumed based on their history.

The ACC only agreed to take them if they agreed to waive all media rights payments (about $45 million annually) for the first ten years.  Boosters agreed to cover that money each year to operate the athletic department.  Maybe they are still willing to kick in another $10MM or so per year for NIL, but it seems unlikely. 

They're going to start most years with a roster that is behind the following:

Miami
Clemson
Florida State
Virginia Tech (assuming they get their shit together with the next hire)

They'll probably be in a similar spot to the following

Georgia Tech
Syracuse
NC State
Pitt

It's not insurmountable, but it's also not significantly easier than what he would have to face here to get to the playoffs...especially knowing that he could lose a couple more games per year and get there. 

And there's no guarantee that the ACC will even exist by the time they start getting media rights payments.  SMU almost certainly isn't getting a spot in the Big 10 or SEC, and it looks like whatever new playoff model they end up with is going to lean heavily towards those leagues.  Is it easier to get one spot allocated to the ACC, or one of potentially 5-6 (or more depending on size) in an expanded playoff as an SEC school. 

[DirkPiggler]

His financial advisor in LR was telling people around here towards the end of last year that A) Rhett very much wanted this job and B) that their NIL wasn't nearly what people assumed based on their history.

The ACC only agreed to take them if they agreed to waive all media rights payments (about $45 million annually) for the first ten years.  Boosters agreed to cover that money each year to operate the athletic department.  Maybe they are still willing to kick in another $10MM or so per year for NIL, but it seems unlikely. 

They're going to start most years with a roster that is behind the following:

Miami
Clemson
Florida State
Virginia Tech (assuming they get their shit together with the next hire)

They'll probably be in a similar spot to the following

Georgia Tech
Syracuse
NC State
Pitt

It's not insurmountable, but it's also not significantly easier than what he would have to face here to get to the playoffs...especially knowing that he could lose a couple more games per year and get there. 

And there's no guarantee that the ACC will even exist by the time they start getting media rights payments.  SMU almost certainly isn't getting a spot in the Big 10 or SEC, and it looks like whatever new playoff model they end up with is going to lean heavily towards those leagues.  Is it easier to get one spot allocated to the ACC, or one of potentially 5-6 (or more depending on size) in an expanded playoff as an SEC school. 

I'd add that it's highly possible that the stuff in the first paragraph was just Rhett trying to build his value up to his current employer aka Malzahning us. 

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His financial advisor in LR was telling people around here towards the end of last year that A) Rhett very much wanted this job and B) that their NIL wasn't nearly what people assumed based on their history.

The ACC only agreed to take them if they agreed to waive all media rights payments (about $45 million annually) for the first ten years.  Boosters agreed to cover that money each year to operate the athletic department.  Maybe they are still willing to kick in another $10MM or so per year for NIL, but it seems unlikely. 

They're going to start most years with a roster that is behind the following:

Miami
Clemson
Florida State
Virginia Tech (assuming they get their shit together with the next hire)

They'll probably be in a similar spot to the following

Georgia Tech
Syracuse
NC State
Pitt

It's not insurmountable, but it's also not significantly easier than what he would have to face here to get to the playoffs...especially knowing that he could lose a couple more games per year and get there. 

And there's no guarantee that the ACC will even exist by the time they start getting media rights payments.  SMU almost certainly isn't getting a spot in the Big 10 or SEC, and it looks like whatever new playoff model they end up with is going to lean heavily towards those leagues.  Is it easier to get one spot allocated to the ACC, or one of potentially 5-6 (or more depending on size) in an expanded playoff as an SEC school. 

I didn't know that about the media rights and such.  Thanks!  Also good points.  I'll devil's advocate with, he can ride out and win a few more years while waiting for a bigger gig to open and increase his stock.

Then again, maybe the Head Hog is is dream job and waiting on a "better" gig isn't important to him.

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I'd add that it's highly possible that the stuff in the first paragraph was just Rhett trying to build his value up to his current employer aka Malzahning us. 

...and if anyone is a master of that, it is Gus.  He did learn at the feet of the master, after all.

[DirkPiggler]

I didn't know that about the media rights and such.  Thanks!  Also good points.  I'll devil's advocate with, he can ride out and win a few more years while waiting for a bigger gig to open and increase his stock.

Then again, maybe the Head Hog is is dream job and waiting on a "better" gig isn't important to him.

He could definitely stay put and do that.  Some have said he might wait to see what happens at Auburn, which I could easily see.  That's an easier place to win albeit with a different level of pressure due to the presence of the red elephants. 

On the other hand, he's 2-2 this year.  Suppose they go 7-5/6-6 this year and again next year.  If so, then he may have missed his window to jump to the SEC.  And if he turns us down we may not bother to offer him again down the road when he really does want the job. 

It's all going to boil down to whether or not this is his dream job.  If it really is, none of this other stuff we've discussed will matter.  And if it isn't, it's probably not a good move for him to take it. 

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He could definitely stay put and do that.  Some have said he might wait to see what happens at Auburn, which I could easily see.  That's an easier place to win albeit with a different level of pressure due to the presence of the red elephants. 

On the other hand, he's 2-2 this year.  Suppose they go 7-5/6-6 this year and again next year.  If so, then he may have missed his window to jump to the SEC.  And if he turns us down we may not bother to offer him again down the road when he really does want the job. 

It's all going to boil down to whether or not this is his dream job.  If it really is, none of this other stuff we've discussed will matter.  And if it isn't, it's probably not a good move for him to take it. 

Indeed, I think that is ultimately what it boils down to.  Is it his dream job.

[Doc Hogaday]

I hate to spoiler alert this thread barely 48 hours in, but we all know that in 2 months we're going to do something gay and retarded. It's the Arkansas way.

[red death]

Rhett Lashlee would be a failure of epic proportions at Arkansas, so it makes perfect sense our idiot Dallas and Springdale boosters want him.

Every coach has a shelf life.  I believe, as much as it pains me to say this as a Bobby Petrino fan, that we got the best version of Bobby 15 years ago.  That is schewing my vision and many others.  It's been a long time since he's done anything of note. 

We have to go outside the Gus tree, who's also on his way down.  We missed his prime, and I'm not mad. 

We have to find the new coach prime, NOT Deion.  Think Lanning. 

I don't want Saban, Gruden (Jesus),Stoops, Belichek, etc.  I don't want a big name who's seen his glory days.

You have to have foresight, our current AD has zero, and get the guy who's next.  Or we'll be watching that guy (Freeman,Lanning, Cignetti) hoist a trophy from a school that has some.

It's not splash or names we need.  We need innovation, hunger and energy.  I've yet to see any in this coaching search.

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I hate to spoiler alert this thread barely 48 hours in, but we all know that in 2 months we're going to do something gay and retarded. It's the Arkansas way.

No no.  In two months we'll be given hope first... a glimmer... something to even recapture the cynical nature of the WooPussy.  THEN we'll do some Ibuprofen and Tylenol shit.

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Rhett Lashlee would be a failure of epic proportions at Arkansas, so it makes perfect sense our idiot Dallas and Springdale boosters want him.

Every coach has a shelf life.  I believe, as much as it pains me to say this as a Bobby Petrino fan, that we got the best version of Bobby 15 years ago.  That is schewing my vision and many others.  It's been a long time since he's done anything of note. 

We have to go outside the Gus tree, who's also on his way down.  We missed his prime, and I'm not mad. 

We have to find the new coach prime, NOT Deion.  Think Lanning. 

I don't want Saban, Gruden (Jesus),Stoops, Belichek, etc.  I don't want a big name who's seen his glory days.

You have to have foresight, our current AD has zero, and get the guy who's next.  Or we'll be watching that guy (Freeman,Lanning, Cignetti) hoist a trophy from a school that has some.

It's not splash or names we need.  We need innovation, hunger and energy.  I've yet to see any in this coaching search.

Cignetti, now that's one that pique's my interest.  His age is a negative, but he has a long history of taking losers, perennial losers, and making them winners.

[TC]

I hate to spoiler alert this thread barely 48 hours in, but we all know that in 2 months we're going to do something gay and retarded. It's the Arkansas way.

Naa, we're going to hire Petrino, and all this other talk is moot.

So get ready for the Garland county troll in the game threads bashing every decision Petrino makes.

[animal]

I hate to spoiler alert this thread barely 48 hours in, but we all know that in 2 months we're going to do something gay and retarded. It's the Arkansas way.

If these coaching searches have taught us anything it's never the first dozen names that end up being the guy. 

[Ray Zorback]

Naa, we're going to hire Petrino, and all this other talk is moot.

So get ready for the Garland county troll in the game threads bashing every decision Petrino makes.

GCT for short

[BASS]

Cignetti, now that's one that pique's my interest.  His age is a negative, but he has a long history of taking losers, perennial losers, and making them winners.

We ain't paying his buyout