Coaching Hot Seat and Searches

[TC]

Don't think it would just be about money.  He'll have access to higher quality athletes in far greater numbers at UF.  Plus all those guys who wear visors have fantasies of being the next Head Ball Coach.  The thought of having the office once occupied by Spurrier would make Drink's little pee pee tingle.

So he moves for the same amount with WAY more pressure?
Florida is gonna have to get serious about the money just like Auburn

[DirkPiggler]

So he moves for the same amount with WAY more pressure?
Florida is gonna have to get serious about the money just like Auburn

I think Florida and Auburn are both plenty serious financially.  You seem to think the current coaches' salaries are a direct, predictive indicator of success.  It's not like paying Napier or Freeze more would add wins to their resumes.  Salaries are more indicative of the coaches market value at the time they're hired.  Auburn was willing to pay Kiffin at least as much as Ole Miss.  Lane just chose to stay because he liked the team he had and didn't see it as a big enough upgrade.  They're paying Freeze what they are because he's damaged goods who hasn't proven himself there yet.  Apparently they didn't see anyone besides Kiffin who would justify nearly $10MM per year. 

Florida does bring more pressure than Missouri.  It also brings the potential for more money, much easier recruiting, and a better place to live.  It's proven that you can win a national title at Florida.  At Missouri that's still in the theoretical stage, with well over 100 years of evidence showing that it can't be done. 

[Show-Me Hog]

a better place to live.

I spent a lot of time in Columbia, and have visited Gainesville. I'm going to have to take issue with this one. It's 100% personal opinion though.

[DirkPiggler]

I spent a lot of time in Columbia, and have visited Gainesville. I'm going to have to take issue with this one. It's 100% personal opinion though.

Gainesville has better weather and far fewer Missourians (alumni, not state residents who had the good sense to be educated elsewhere). 

[vegashog]

yeah, florida has had the 7th and 12th ranked recruiting classes the last two cycles. they got the #1 qb for 2024. they suck not because of talent, but because they hired a coach who is in way over his head and the players see it. 

there's plenty of money and talent available for florida football and i bet they learned their lesson on going with what was then seen as an up and comer.

[Show-Me Hog]

Gainesville has better weather

This is specifically one of the things I was taking issue with. Nine months of swamp ass high humidity and 90+ temps is not my idea of better weather.

[DirkPiggler]

This is specifically one of the things I was taking issue with. Nine months of swamp ass high humidity and 90+ temps is not my idea of better weather.

I'll bet there are no snow plows in the state of Florida. 

That wins out for me.  Even with the occasional hurricane.

[animal]

If Florida ends up taking this ride first though does kind of take the pressure off Arkansas on the optics if/when they have to pull the plug on Pittman during the season. I do kinda figure he (Pittman) gets the entire season barring a total meltdown. It's not like the media will give us a pass anyway because how dare we believe we can do better...Florida will do whatever they want and nothing will get said.

I think Florida's situation clearly they aren't going anywhere with him and he needs to go, but I do think you need to hold your horses for a few games. I never heard anything official on this. Sounds like Fieldman blew it on the scoop which he's been known to do. He was right but things changed.


Hot seats in the SEC as of now are...

Florida guy
Arkansas guy

South Carolina we'll see


A wildcard might be Oklahoma if Venerables kind of flounders as an SEC coach.

If Freeze can't make progress at Auburn I could see them giving him a quick hook.

[Show-Me Hog]

If Florida ends up taking this ride first though does kind of take the pressure off Arkansas on the optics if/when they have to pull the plug on Pittman during the season. I do kinda figure he (Pittman) gets the entire season barring a total meltdown. It's not like the media will give us a pass anyway because how dare we believe we can do better...Florida will do whatever they want and nothing will get said.

I think Florida's situation clearly they aren't going anywhere with him and he needs to go, but I do think you need to hold your horses for a few games. I never heard anything official on this. Sounds like Fieldman blew it on the scoop which he's been known to do. He was right but things changed.


Hot seats in the SEC as of now are...

Florida guy
Arkansas guy

South Carolina we'll see


A wildcard might be Oklahoma if Venerables kind of flounders as an SEC coach.

If Freeze can't make progress at Auburn I could see them giving him a quick hook.

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[TC]

I think Florida and Auburn are both plenty serious financially.  You seem to think the current coaches' salaries are a direct, predictive indicator of success.  It's not like paying Napier or Freeze more would add wins to their resumes.  Salaries are more indicative of the coaches market value at the time they're hired.  Auburn was willing to pay Kiffin at least as much as Ole Miss.  Lane just chose to stay because he liked the team he had and didn't see it as a big enough upgrade.  They're paying Freeze what they are because he's damaged goods who hasn't proven himself there yet.  Apparently they didn't see anyone besides Kiffin who would justify nearly $10MM per year. 

Florida does bring more pressure than Missouri.  It also brings the potential for more money, much easier recruiting, and a better place to live.  It's proven that you can win a national title at Florida.  At Missouri that's still in the theoretical stage, with well over 100 years of evidence showing that it can't be done. 

Right...so Florida's ready to pay 10.5-11 per year? If not then there's not a chance they get Lane, imo.

[DRYANKNPULL]

This is specifically one of the things I was taking issue with. Nine months of swamp ass high humidity and 90+ temps is not my idea of better weather.

I guess I get the appeal of constant warm weather. I turkey hunted close to Gainesville last March. It was mid to upper 90's, humid, snakey, gatory, and skeetery. I hunted the Sierra Madre's in Mexico in April where it was 20 degrees every morning. I hunted four western states close to the Canadian border in May that were similarly cool. I'm going back this spring to all of those places except Florida. I'll never hunt there again.

[DirkPiggler]

Right...so Florida's ready to pay 10.5-11 per year? If not then there's not a chance they get Lane, imo.

I don't think they get Lane.  I think they'll hire Drinkwitz.

[DirkPiggler]

I guess I get the appeal of constant warm weather. I turkey hunted close to Gainesville last March. It was mid to upper 90's, humid, snakey, gatory, and skeetery. I hunted the Sierra Madre's in Mexico in April where it was 20 degrees every morning. I hunted four western states close to the Canadian border in May that was similarly cool. I'm going back this spring to all of those places except Florida. I'll never hunt there again.

You hunt a lot more than I do.  I'd prefer to live somewhere warm and travel to hunt rather than live somewhere cooler and travel to swim, bike, dive, golf, etc.  But I do understand the reasoning...a warmer lifestyle just fits me better than the alternative.

I imagine the only thing Drinkwitz does outside is coach football. 

[DrMongoose]

Right now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.

[TC]

Right now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.

Thank you!

The Auburn and Florida glory years are behind us as the rationale that, "It's a better job!"

Okay, maybe. But what can't Kiffin, or Dork, accomplish at their schools, that will take longer at FL or AU, with the higher risk for failure. For what, another 1.5-2mm more per year?

[Pumpkin Escobar]

Right now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.

I don't agree with that. I don't know what Florida's NIL is compared to MU, but it's much easier to recruit at a high level tban MU.

[animal]

Is it possible that a lot of us are applying outdated thinking to what our perceived notions of what good situations look like? Location location location? Nope. It's a lot more about a cash economy and where that cash is directed. When you look at Florida for instance...this state traditionally churns out a shit ton of talent each year and no doubt still does. BUT is it becoming a bit more like Texas talent that comes out of high school more like a finished product maxed out with little or no room to grow? Isn't that what we were told during the Mack Brown days? Well lets table that for now and refocus more on NIL.

I think we all agree quarterback is a super critical position and it seems to be something that both Napier and Cornrows have struggled with in the NIL era. I don't think either coach suddenly went retarded. They made bad decisions on their QB investments and their programs are tanked because of it. Very likely both lose their jobs over it. Who out there is really developing their own QBs anymore?  Well let me help you...Texas. They have two or three QBs on their roster that would not only start but probably be stars anywhere in college football right now today. I'm sure there are others but Texas is the example I could come up with but the trend is to outsource that critical position to hired guns.

There seems to be so much emphasis in college football NIL is on the QB for good reason but those evaluations need to be good fits. I'd much rather put that money toward OL and DL and take my chances on development at the QB position over the longer term taking a "earn it" type of stance.

Your situation is only ever gonna be as good as the evaluations thru the NIL as far as I'm concerned and there's going to be programs that are good at taking advantage of this and there's gonna be programs that make excuses and blame their fans for not shitting out a $100 per month.

[DirkPiggler]

Right now Missouri is a better job than Florida and if he makes the playoff there why leave for a dumpster fire.
Florida has won with Spurrier and Meyer - that is the list.
The cfb landscape has changed totally since Florida was good.

Missouri is not, never has been, and never will be a better job than Florida.  That's just crazy talk.

The list of people who have "won" at Missouri is:

Don Faurot
Gary Pinkel.

Neither of them won at anywhere near the level of Spurrier or Meyer. 

The landscape may have changed, but it didn't move recruits out of the state of Florida and into Missouri. 

[Texzilla]

Is it possible that a lot of us are applying outdated thinking to what our perceived notions of what good situations look like? Location location location? Nope. It's a lot more about a cash economy and where that cash is directed. When you look at Florida for instance...this state traditionally churns out a shit ton of talent each year and no doubt still does. BUT is it becoming a bit more like Texas talent that comes out of high school more like a finished product maxed out with little or no room to grow? Isn't that what we were told during the Mack Brown days? Well lets table that for now and refocus more on NIL.

I think we all agree quarterback is a super critical position and it seems to be something that both Napier and Cornrows have struggled with in the NIL era. I don't think either coach suddenly went retarded. They made bad decisions on their QB investments and their programs are tanked because of it. Very likely both lose their jobs over it. Who out there is really developing their own QBs anymore?  Well let me help you...Texas. They have two or three QBs on their roster that would not only start but probably be stars anywhere in college football right now today. I'm sure there are others but Texas is the example I could come up with but the trend is to outsource that critical position to hired guns.

There seems to be so much emphasis in college football NIL is on the QB for good reason but those evaluations need to be good fits. I'd much rather put that money toward OL and DL and take my chances on development at the QB position over the longer term taking a "earn it" type of stance.

Your situation is only ever gonna be as good as the evaluations thru the NIL as far as I'm concerned and there's going to be programs that are good at taking advantage of this and there's gonna be programs that make excuses and blame their fans for not shitting out a $100 per month.

This right here.  And Sarkisian is doing what he learned from Saban on recruiting and player development in the lines and skill positions on both sides of the ball.  He runs hard practices and lots of film work. With the added element that he has managed nil and portal well. 

The idea that you just buy pieces with nil is not winning football.  Takes culture, development, game coaching and team execution.  Wait these all all things Sam Pittman cannot do or has no clue about.  Silly Putty for a brain will not get er done.

[DirkPiggler]

This right here.  And Sarkisian is doing what he learned from Saban on recruiting and player development in the lines and skill positions on both sides of the ball.  He runs hard practices and lots of film work. With the added element that he has managed nil and portal well. 

The idea that you just buy pieces with nil is not winning football.  Takes culture, development, game coaching and team execution.  Wait these all all things Sam Pittman cannot do or has no clue about.  Silly Putty for a brain will not get er done.

The best use of NIL and the portal is as a supplement to your roster.  You shouldn't have to bring in 8-10 guys to be starters or key contributors every year.  It's supposed to be a band aid, not an ongoing treatment for chronic illness.