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[DirkPiggler]

Didn't even think about the insurance side of that equation.  Wow. 

Imagine the EMR on a program that has workplace injuries every single day.

And of course there is state and federal unemployment. 

[vegashog]

After futher googling I think the players are employees and should be able to bargain collectively.  Seems the NLRB agrees - at least they did back in 2021 when they issued an opion stating as much.

the nlrb under the current administration rescinded that opinion earlier this year, and in effect sided with the ncaa. there's not much momentum at the federal level in getting things decided one way or another.

on another note, let's say a way opens up for it to happen. there's about 1600 nfl players on rosters and practice squads. there's about 7100 players just in the p4 conferences alone. how easy is it going to be to get 7100 17-23 year olds to agree on anything?

[Show-Me Hog]

the nlrb under the current administration rescinded that opinion earlier this year, and in effect sided with the ncaa. there's not much momentum at the federal level in getting things decided one way or another.

on another note, let's say a way opens up for it to happen. there's about 1600 nfl players on rosters and practice squads. there's about 7100 players just in the p4 conferences alone. how easy is it going to be to get 7100 17-23 year olds to agree on anything?

Isn't it just majority vote? You don't get 5 people to agree on anything, much less 1600 or 7100.

[HogOfWar]

Isn't it just majority vote? You don't get 5 people to agree on anything, much less 1600 or 7100.

Probably why you have representatives for player unions to negotiate CBAs and such.

[vegashog]

so, a majority of 7100 17-23 years old kids. doesn't make it any easier to decide on who are the representatives or what exactly is it they want.

[The Whyte Boar]

You're eventually going to see about 65 teams come out and form their own thing and then that league will have a CBA.  Congress isn't going to act on this because the Dems won't go along with anything that seems to limit what a young black player can make.  It just isn't going to happen. 

[Son of Spam]

We all got into the wrong profession when we finally grew up and decided what we wanted to do. We all should have gone into coaching. Get hired, have a winning season, get and new contract and a huge buyout, then shit the bed, and retire with a ton of money for doing nothing. Seems to be the norm now.

[BleedinRed]

the nlrb under the current administration rescinded that opinion earlier this year, and in effect sided with the ncaa. there's not much momentum at the federal level in getting things decided one way or another.

on another note, let's say a way opens up for it to happen. there's about 1600 nfl players on rosters and practice squads. there's about 7100 players just in the p4 conferences alone. how easy is it going to be to get 7100 17-23 year olds to agree on anything?

[BASS]

We all got into the wrong profession when we finally grew up and decided what we wanted to do. We all should have gone into coaching. Get hired, have a winning season, get and new contract and a huge buyout, then shit the bed, and retire with a ton of money for doing nothing. Seems to be the norm now.

this is the way.  do just enough to get that big contract, then off to retirement with more money than i'll make in my lifetime.

[The Whyte Boar]

This why you don't hire someone like Franklin.  The guy is 53 and he just got handed $56 million dollars.  He would be an exceptional human being if he didn't lapse into DGAF mode pretty damn quick.  He ain't gonna go somewhere like Arkansas and work as hard as it will take to succeed.

A guy like Franklin needs to be out of coaching for a few years and start feeling the itch again, but even then it is a risk.  He now has "fuck you" money and if he decides he does not give a fuck, there is nothing you can do to make him feel differently.

[DirkPiggler]

This why you don't hire someone like Franklin.  The guy is 53 and he just got handed $56 million dollars.  He would be an exceptional human being if he didn't lapse into DGAF mode pretty damn quick.  He ain't gonna go somewhere like Arkansas and work as hard as it will take to succeed.

A guy like Franklin needs to be out of coaching for a few years and start feeling the itch again, but even then it is a risk.  He now has "fuck you" money and if he decides he does not give a fuck, there is nothing you can do to make him feel differently.

Agreed.  The time to hire him is after his expensive divorce.

[vegashog]

doubt there's any interest between franklin and arkansas at all.

message boards, twitterx, discord, they don't have a clue what's going on other than wishful thinking at this point. everyone on here should know that by now.

[DRYANKNPULL]

this is the way.  do just enough to get that big contract, then off to retirement with more money than i'll make in my lifetime.

There's a lot of things that have to fall into place for it to happen, and only a few will ever get that taste. What you can't do, if you are a big time program, is give somebody that taste simply because it was his turn. You have to at least coach at Boise State for a year.

I don't begrudge the salaries these coaches make, but if you are getting paid, you better earn it or get the fuck out. That's really more of an athletic director problem than a coaches problem. The AD's are playing with other people's money. How many times have you seen contract negotiations break down and the coach walk? 

[Ray Zorback]

I don't begrudge the salaries these coaches make 

Agree.

My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.

[Barton Fink]

Someone will grab Franklin. Highly doubt he will go jobless. Especially with the jobs open. Unless he wants to.

[The Whyte Boar]

Agree.

My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.

Good luck hiring someone somebody else actually wants.  I mean, I agree with you but it is what it is.

It would be inaccurate to call some of these deals "buyouts".  It is simply guaranteed money paid out in yearly installments.  That's the way Jimbo's was.  He got $75 million dollars.  Didn't matter whether he was coaching or not. 

[Hognrock]

I saw or heard something earlier today that Franklin has to actively look for work in either coaching or broadcasting (which he would be good on TV).  Whatever he makes there deducts that much from his buyout amount from PSU, which surely they set it up as an annual payout.

[Pig Benis]

I saw or heard something earlier today that Franklin has to actively look for work in either coaching or broadcasting (which he would be good on TV).  Whatever he makes there deducts that much from his buyout amount from PSU, which surely they set it up as an annual payout.

Correct. I believe he gets $8MM per year through 2031 and there is a mitigation clause.

We're going to be about the 8th best job available by the end of the season, and that may be generous. Josh Pate has been saying for a couple of weeks that there will be a couple of major openings that no one currently suspects. I would assume that means retirements or someone like Dabo agrees to take less money to move on.

We may be begging Petrino to stay.

[Borenutz]

Agree.

My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.

I think there should be an"underperformance"buyout for the school and a separate 3rd party buyout for someone to hire said coach, generally higher than the school buyout. Maybe there already is some of that though.

[CardHog]

My problem is with the buyout. The buyout should only be there to detour other school's from stealing your coach. The coach should not get it for sucking and getting fired. That's just stupid.

It's actually the exact opposite. If you take a look at most buyouts, the schools get a fraction of what the coach would get if the coach chose to leave early.