Portal thread. Who’s leaving, who’s coming.

[mde114]

The hardest culture change is going to be for Arkansas fans to accept the fact that big money donors are not enough to finance this program anymore. If they want to win, they're going to have to pay up.

[DirkPiggler]

One more thing. Some say we have a bad "culture" and that may be true. Would you trade a better culture for worse coordinators? That is likely gonna happen if you hire a new coach and he brings his staff. 

Honestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now. 

Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring. 

When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best. 

[Trigger7672]

I want to win more games but not to the point where I'm going to spend my money to make some dumbass teenager rich. I'm never going to pay to see some ho nude on onlyfans and I'm never going to pay for an 18 year old football player to help him buy a $100,000 vehicle, especially when there is no guarantee we will win more games. Yall have fun with that.

[The Whyte Boar]

Honestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now. 

Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring. 

When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best. 

You could give Pittman Georgia's roster and it would be a four loss team.

[animal]

I want to win more games but not to the point where I'm going to spend my money to make some dumbass teenager rich. I'm never going to pay to see some ho nude on onlyfans and I'm never going to pay for an 18 year old football player to help him buy a $100,000 vehicle, especially when there is no guarantee we will win more games. Yall have fun with that.

I do like the idea of some kind of simple way to directly make sure the attaboy money goes to the playa having a good game in real time. Beyond that my fucks are given on paying players for the very same reasons. Especially the fucking guys that haven't done shit in college getting paid more than HTL.

[Barton Fink]

Honestly yes I think culture is more important, if the environment is so bad that many of your best players are leaving irrespective of NIL offers, which appears to be happening now. 

Our coordinators are very good but it's not a given that they are better than the ones the next coach would bring. 

When Petrino was here as head coach our coordinators were mediocre at best. 

You and I both know Petrino controlled that offense. If you have a coach that is an elite play caller (either side), you have to count him as part coordinator. I'm with you on Willy.

[Barton Fink]

I want to win more games but not to the point where I'm going to spend my money to make some dumbass teenager rich. I'm never going to pay to see some ho nude on onlyfans and I'm never going to pay for an 18 year old football player to help him buy a $100,000 vehicle, especially when there is no guarantee we will win more games. Yall have fun with that.

Completely understand but there is a trade off. If we don't want to contribute to give the program the best chance of winning, then how much can we complain?

I said it fronm the get go, it's not right that it comes back on the fans but that's where we're at unfortunately.

[Trigger7672]

I do like the idea of some kind of simple way to directly make sure the attaboy money goes to the playa having a good game in real time. Beyond that my fucks are given on paying players for the very same reasons. Especially the fucking guys that haven't done shit in college getting paid more than HTL.

Completely understand but there is a trade off. If we don't want to contribute to give the program the best chance of winning, then how much can we complain?

I said it fronm the get go, it's not right that it comes back on the fans but that's where we're at unfortunately.

It's insanity that it comes back on the fans. You're supposed to pay NIL after you've already paid for tickets/parking/concessions etc? No contracts, the player can just quit the team and go somewhere else after the season? The system is insane. No fucking way I'm contributing to NIL. Put their venmo or cashapp up on the screen and I'll gladly send a tip after a big play.

[BleedinRed]

Completely understand but there is a trade off. If we don't want to contribute to give the program the best chance of winning, then how much can we complain?

I said it fronm the get go, it's not right that it comes back on the fans but that's where we're at unfortunately.

All power 5 universities, the SEC and all other power 5 conferences, and the NCAA are part of a billion dollar industry.  

But the average joe Arkansas fans need to pay more?  

Fuck that bullshit.  

[vegashog]

fans don't have to give anything. at the same time they want corporate entities or rich guys to pump in money.

[hit_that_line]

You know what's better than Razorback athletics? Oaklawn Park. Come holler at your boy.

[BleedinRed]

I, as a fan, don't want anyone to contribute money. 

I want the Universities, The SEC and the NCAA to start paying players.  

They make more than enough to finance Jimmy and Joes cars, weed, and hookers while also giving them the opportunity to earn a degree through a free education.  

[vegashog]

I, as a fan, don't want anyone to contribute money.

I want the Universities, The SEC and the NCAA to start paying players. 

They make more than enough to finance Jimmy and Joes cars, weed, and hookers while also giving them the opportunity to earn a degree through a free education. 

that's what the revenue sharing is. but nil and the collectives aren't going away.

[Barton Fink]

All what you guys are saying is right. The day NIL was awarded it's brought the fans into the game. I honestly don't see a true solution. Maybe go back to a 1 time transfer but you have to sit out a year? That would at least slow it down.

NIL + unlimited transfers is gonna always have a grass is greener scenario.

[Pig Benis]

All I'm trying to say is this. History shows we are a 6 win peogram. Which is essentially where we are today. We all want to win more games. In order to consistently win more games you have to increase your talent. It's more important now more than ever because schools that were at your level are getting better players. We have a disadvantage in HS recruiting and now have one in NIL. A good coach will not see us as an attractive program. We do not provide a coach the resources to be successful. "Come here and compete against the best with less talent" isn't a ringing endorsement.

Even if you get a coach who is a good recruiter, he's not going to convince a kid to come here for less money. Probably not for even money today. He's behind the 8 ball day one.

In order to win 8+ games a year, you better be on an even playing field or close to it talent wise. Otherwise you're hoping you can coach above your talent. Talent is making plays on the fiel, coaches aren't. That's wishful thinking.

All in all I would be shocked if we fired SP and hired a coach everyone was happy with. You're probably gonna get a guy like Odom whose best year at Mizz was 8 wins. Pretty much what SP has done. So either way you look at it, old coach or new coach, in order to win more gsmes consistently, you're gonna have to solve the talent problem. I think with better talent our current coordinators can overcome what minimal inpacts SP has on the game. We've been close in many games over the last couple years. I've always been of the mindset that talent wins most games. Better players make better plays which increase your shot at winning. Moreso than most anything a coach can so.

Some seem to think hiring a new coach and money will magically appear. I think that's a crap shoot. Regardless, if we want to win it better improve. The top schools in our league have 2x what we have. Hard to get better when you're that far  behind.

I don't disagree with any of this. We are a 6 win program since we joined the SEC and that likely will never change aside from the lightning in a bottle with Mallet and BP. It just seems really lazy and dishonest for Yurachek and others to blame fans for being "cheap". They should be grateful that stadium still sells out despite the shit product they keep putting on the field- and that predates NIL. I always liked Pittman until that bullshit comment about his players being Blue Light Specials while walking around a field with a GOD DAMN WAL-MART logo on it. I don't know if it was more pathetic or galactically fucking stupid. I do know it just comes off as crybaby bullshit.

NIL could in theory be a massive game changer for Arkansas because we do have a handful of incredibly wealthy boosters who could change our entire trajectory by sifting through their couch cushions. Yes, the rest of the gen pop fan base needs to be giving as well but this only works if some of the truly high rollers want to go all Phil Knight and buy us a championship. They seem willing with baseball and basketball but deep down I think they all know we're a 6 win football program, just like our administration does.

[The Whyte Boar]

Why do some people invest so much time and thought trying to convince us that we are trash as a program and have no reason tk expect better? 

[wmr]

The program sucks because of bad leadership.

We have never been willing to be innovative or lead in anything.  Remember when Nick Saban got paid $5million a year to coach Alabama and everybody thought that was an insane amount?  It was one of the best investments by a University and an athletic organization in history.

We never do shit like that.  We wind up timidly accepting the likes of Pittman and paying him top 20 money because the program has been run by pussies and idiots for two decades.

We let an interim AD hire Chad fucking Morris. 

The main difference between us and a program like Ole Miss at the current moment is they have better leadership who view their job as WINNING no matter what.  They love the school, and want to see it succeed no matter what.

We have hired corporate types since JFB left and we get half-assed leadership, shitty negotiating and pussy-ass results.  No one gives a shit about anything but their paycheck. 

[Pig Benis]

All what you guys are saying is right. The day NIL was awarded it's brought the fans into the game. I honestly don't see a true solution. Maybe go back to a 1 time transfer but you have to sit out a year? That would at least slow it down.

NIL + unlimited transfers is gonna always have a grass is greener scenario.

That would help tremendously and it better be part of whatever revenue sharing plan they come up with.

[DirkPiggler]

One thing that gets overlooked is that most of the programs who are excelling at NIL already had the apparatus for paying players in place.  It just became legal. 

Ole Miss has been buying players since before any of us were born.  Same for Alabama, LSU, aTm, etc.  While we were never as squeaky clean as JFB convinced us we were, in relative terms we were choirboys. 

We are having to convince people who have been funding elite facilities for 50 years to start sending that money to players while still keeping up with the Jones' in physical plant and amenities. Those schools just had to add some paperwork for the same donors.

[Barton Fink]

Why do some people invest so much time and thought trying to convince us that we are trash as a program and have no reason tk expect better? 

Oh, I don't know. Maybe 30+ years of history?

All you've done is complain and dodged questions I've asked. So let's try this again...

What are YOUR expectations for the program and what is YOUR solution to get there?