Portal thread. Who’s leaving, who’s coming.

[The Whyte Boar]

You are 1 of a kind...

Because I think we could be better? lol

[Barton Fink]

They hired a new coach with an exciting offense.  That breeds enthusiasm and money.

Nothing says excitement more than going 2-10 (worse than any record SP has even following the Morris disaster) and getting smoked by 3 TDs to a SP led Razorback team. I'm sure the fans couldn't contain themselves.

[Barton Fink]

Because I think we could be better? lol

No because you're a simpleton.

[vegashog]

They hired a new coach with an exciting offense.  That breeds enthusiasm and money.

they won 2 games and 0-8 in conference. finished 12th in the sec in total offense. chad morris level.

that line of reasoning is bullshit.

[The Whyte Boar]

No because you're a simpleton.

Oh, okay.  Literally nothing you've said is correct no matter how many times you attempt say it again.

[The Whyte Boar]

they won 2 games and 0-8 in conference. finished 12th in the sec in total offense. chad morris level.

that line of reasoning is bullshit.

See how it goes next year.  If it is still that bad, then the money will go.  Our fans have weighed and measured Sam and found him wanting. 

[Barton Fink]

Oh, okay.  Literally nothing you've said is correct no matter how many times you attempt say it again.

I know it's tough for you to understand.

[Barton Fink]

See how it goes next year.  If it is still that bad, then the money will go.  Our fans have weighed and measured Sam and found him wanting. 

So a coach with 2 wins this year is gonnna be better next week when they buy better talent?

You don't say....

[The Whyte Boar]

So a coach with 2 wins this year is gonnna be better next week when they buy better talent?

You don't say....

Lebby might actually be able to coach, or maybe not.  It remains to be seen.  It is no longer a question with Sam.

[Show-Me Hog]

Our fans have weighed and measured Sam and found him wanting. 

Mark Stoops was the shit at Kentucky (kind of our equivalent football program over the last 20 years) and got a big fat contract.

Then they fucking suck this year.

Norvell....penthouse to the outhouse.

Shane Beamer will have a shit year too.

The low-medium SEC teams (us, SC-East, MS St, Kentucky, Ole Miss) will take turns having shitty years or medium years.  Ole Miss broke out of it a LITTLE BIT with Kiffen, but they're still not a Bama, Georgia or LSU and never will be.

It doesn't matter whether we keep Sam or hire someone new.  The next 5 years will look the same either way.

[The Whyte Boar]

Mark Stoops was the shit at Kentucky (kind of our equivalent football program over the last 20 years) and got a big fat contract.

Then they fucking suck this year.

Norvell....penthouse to the outhouse.

Shane Beamer will have a shit year too.

The low-medium SEC teams (us, SC-East, MS St, Kentucky, Ole Miss) will take turns having shitty years or medium years.  Ole Miss broke out of it a LITTLE BIT with Kiffen, but they're still not a Bama, Georgia or LSU and never will be.

It doesn't matter whether we keep Sam or hire someone new.  The next 5 years will look the same either way.

You're right to a degree.  Arkansas is not going to be a consistent 10 win program in the SEC and there will be down years with any coach.  But Sam is not capable of taking advantage of the wins that are there.  We have to have a coach that gets the most out of the program and that isn't Sam.

If you want to be optimistic, just look at how close we are with a complete mediocrity at coach.

[Show-Me Hog]

Here are the Ark coaches of my lifetime.  3/11 were MAXIMIZING coaches.  By my idiot math that's a little less than 30%.  2 were MINIMIZING coaches.

Sam is in the middle, like most of them.  I'm not sure the roll of the dice of a less than 30% chance to get a MAXIMIZING coach is worth it, when we have a near-the-same chance of getting a MINIMIZING coach.

Broyles MAX
Holtz MAX
Hatfield
Crowe MIN
Ford
Nutt
Petrino MAX
Smith
Bielema
Morris MIN
Pittman

[Borenutz]

I know one that can't.

. You mean the current one that's already done it.

[Barton Fink]

Here are the Ark coaches of my lifetime.  3/11 were MAXIMIZING coaches.  By my idiot math that's a little less than 30%.  2 were MINIMIZING coaches.

Sam is in the middle, like most of them.  I'm not sure the roll of the dice of a less than 30% chance to get a MAXIMIZING coach is worth it, when we have a near-the-same chance of getting a MINIMIZING coach.

Broyles MAX
Holtz MAX
Hatfield
Crowe MIN
Ford
Nutt
Petrino MAX
Smith
Bielema
Morris MIN
Pittman

Add in that Ford, Beliema, and Pittman are under .500 and they are part of your mid level coaches.

[Show-Me Hog]

Add in that Ford, Beliema, and Pittman are under .500 and they are part of your mid level coaches.

Yeah the six unmarked are mid.

Obviously there are ranges within mid as well, it's just that these six weren't the best or worst.

Hatfield was a mid-plus, darn close to MAX, and Smith was a mid-minus, I really can't count anything against him though, he almost doesn't count at all.

[Barton Fink]

I don't see us pulling away a coach from a P4 school that is currently having success. Lashlee is the only possibility and he has 1 year against a very very easy schedule. He didn't face teams and coaches like he would in the SEC. Odom has never won more than Pittman in the SEC. 

So where do you look next? Coordinators or non P4 coaches? A lot of unknowns there. Is it worth paying an unproven coach and Sam's buyout? It's far more a crap shoot than a guarantee.

[DirkPiggler]

I believe Lashlee could win 8 plus here given that he's 11-1 and a win over Clemson away from a playoff bye.  He's done that with a roster that is at least bottom half and probably bottom third of his league. 

Maybe he can sustain that pace...maybe not.  I have to agree with TWB that Sam has proven he's highly unlikely to get back to that level even with $30mm in NIL budget.  Especially seeing so many contributors bailing seemingly for reasons not related to NIL. 

[animal]

I think Ford is a prime example of a coach if he was given one more year or two more years he might have done some shit or at least made it interesting. Nutt inherited a good deal of NFL players on that roster and damn near fell ass backwards into a natty champ opportunity. If it weren't for a Stoernover and a missed fg. That's not to take away anything Nutt did...like it or not when Nutt came in he brought a lot of energy and excitement to a situation that was anything but. Ford was all business. Nutt loved the spotlight and did manage to squeeze a lot out of a guy (no homo or maybe a little).

Pittman cannot hang onto his players even guys that he openly said he was protecting them to save their eligibility...those guys fucked him too. I know its a business but fucking hell it appears for like the 3rd year in a row Pittman "lost this team". Lay down you're drunk Hunter Y if you keep this fucking guy. When Pittman was here as OL coach his offensive lines were largely vastly overrated (largest human offensive line on the planet) and often times getting their shit pushed. Now we have a team full of overrated position groups and under performing.

[The Whyte Boar]

. You mean the current one that's already done it.

. You mean the current one that's already done it.

You must have missed the "on the regular" part.

[The Whyte Boar]

Here are the Ark coaches of my lifetime.  3/11 were MAXIMIZING coaches.  By my idiot math that's a little less than 30%.  2 were MINIMIZING coaches.

Sam is in the middle, like most of them.  I'm not sure the roll of the dice of a less than 30% chance to get a MAXIMIZING coach is worth it, when we have a near-the-same chance of getting a MINIMIZING coach.

Broyles MAX
Holtz MAX
Hatfield
Crowe MIN
Ford
Nutt
Petrino MAX
Smith
Bielema
Morris MIN
Pittman

The flaw in your logic is that the lots of the Mins a the mediocres there were OBVIOUSLY that from the start.  Crowe was a scramble hire that Broyles seemed to regret almost immediately. John L. Smith was a glorified team mascot that took an $800,000 payday to crack some jokes.  Morris...where do I even start.

So, for sane people making well reasoned hires, it isn't as likely that you get a complete dud as it is you get someone better.