Y’all post your apologies to Bobby

[Texzilla]

I don't know how anyone can have such hatred for Pittman and can accurately recognize how shitty of a team he assembled and then also equally blame a coach who takes that shitty team over 5 games into the season. 

BP wasn't given an honest chance to show he could bring the program back from the depths of the hellish hole that Long/Smiles/Billema/Morris/HY/Pittman helped dig.

To suggest he was given every opportunity to earn the coaching role is just ignorant.   

Here is what I do know.  When BP took over in 2008, the program got better every single season.  When he took over 5 games into the season last year, the team got better every game.   

Blame Long and HY all you want.  Arkansas fans are a major reason the football program sucks. 

It isn't like Bobby came in from the outside cold.  That was his offense; he owned it all as Sam was just as mistreating from his desk since Bobby's arrival.

[DirkPiggler]

It's more than coaching.  Bobby is not the man for the modern business of college ball.  He's at best an OC without administration or recruiting duties.  Silverfield might not be the right guy, but Bobby wasn't either. 

Unfortunately Lane Kiffin is the new model; we might not like it but in the land without laws, the ones exploiting that succeed, at least until real law returns. Dabo wont do it out of ethics, Bobby is too lazy to do it, most of the other old guys don't know how to do it. 

I'm not sure what Bobby has done to convince you or anyone else that he's lazy. 

[Texzilla]

I think he probably would've went 7-5 or 8-4 with that 2012 team, probably had a bounce back 2013 and gone 9-3 or 10-2 again, maybe done really well in 2014 as well and then the recruiting and lack of quality defense would've caught up.

By 2016 or 2017 he most likely would've wore out his welcome. That's just my take on that alternate timeline.

In 2012 he beats ULM and Rutgers for sure. I don't see him beating Alabama or A&M. He definitely finds a way to beat Ole Miss in Little Rock. But I think we still lose at South Carolina and maybe in Starkville as well. Not sure if we beat LSU. Probably.

It's hard to speculate anything because of the reality of Bobby's actions. Had he wrecked with a private sector mistress then it's between him and his wife ala Donna Bragg.  But the stupidity of dipping into company ink, jobs, etc mandated something from the administration. 

So we don't know what long and Bobby would have negotiated, or the punishment. It would not have been nothing, it's just the level of something. 

How would that have affected Bobby? Would he be a bit contrite, and tone down the arrogance that led to his stupidity?  Folks like a redemption story and he could have built one here instead of Louisville.  Or he could have been resentful and looked for an out.  We don't know.  It's a fucking shame we missed on his most productive years. 

The shame is Long inflicted on us basically a self imposed death penalty like smu endured after theirs.  Smu retreated for decades while we're fighting for relevance as a sec football school. 

I wish silverfield the best and hope he's the catalyst JFB was for the program (we don't have a Wilson Matthews). More realistically can he be the catalyst for change that Lanny van eman was after fuckwit Duddy Waller, leading to Eddie Sutton and Nolan. I see nothing coaching wise that says Bert or Chad, but he's gotta have money. 

[DirkPiggler]

It's hard to speculate anything because of the reality of Bobby's actions. Had he wrecked with a private sector mistress then it's between him and his wife ala Donna Bragg.  But the stupidity of dipping into company ink, jobs, etc mandated something from the administration. 

So we don't know what long and Bobby would have negotiated, or the punishment. It would not have been nothing, it's just the level of something. 

How would that have affected Bobby? Would he be a bit contrite, and tone down the arrogance that led to his stupidity?  Folks like a redemption story and he could have built one here instead of Louisville.  Or he could have been resentful and looked for an out.  We don't know.  It's a fucking shame we missed on his most productive years. 

The shame is Long inflicted on us basically a self imposed death penalty like smu endured after theirs.  Smu retreated for decades while we're fighting for relevance as a sec football school. 

I wish silverfield the best and hope he's the catalyst JFB was for the program (we don't have a Wilson Matthews). More realistically can he be the catalyst for change that Lanny van eman was after fuckwit Duddy Waller, leading to Eddie Sutton and Nolan. I see nothing coaching wise that says Bert or Chad, but he's gotta have money. 

Yeah, I don't think any of us thought Bobby should have gotten off with no punishment.  Long seemed to let personal feelings and/or personality differences (Bobby was a dick to a lot of people here his first time) lead him to rush straight to the most severe punishment when something else would have worked without killing the program. 

[Borenutz]

It was the most Arkansas thing we could have done. We rehired Bobby, as OC, all knowing we have Pitts' successor and only coach that's had us relevant in the past 20 years, on campus. Only to show him the door again for a coach that has had a modicum of success, doubling his salary, unlocking golden handcuffs from his previous school. We're just going to suck until there's all new leadership up there.

[HogOfWar]

It was the most Arkansas thing we could have done. We rehired Bobby, as OC, all knowing we have Pitts' successor and only coach that's had us relevant in the past 20 years, on campus. Only to show him the door again for a coach that has had a modicum of success, doubling his salary, unlocking golden handcuffs from his previous school. We're just going to suck until there's all new leadership up there.

💯 Nothing will change until leadership changes.

[Texzilla]

Unless silverfield absolutely tanks, he's here three years.  We're just passengers.  I quit being passionate about the program during Nutt, and am just auditing the class.  I have nary a time invested in it. 

It's a shame because I was raised on JFB football and everything that went with it.  Younger folks don't know the level of statewide rabid support it had, how the state stopped to listen to Bud Campbell do radio play by play and watching film with JFB Sunday afternoon. It was a special time and I hate that it's gone. 

[bigpig]

After one game I can confidently say: Ron Roberts is the best coach on staff. He has HC experience. He should have been HC and kept Bobby as OC.

[DirkPiggler]

After one game I can confidently say: Ron Roberts is the best coach on staff. He has HC experience. He should have been HC and kept Bobby as OC.

The defense did look well coached.  They still lack talent but didn't combine it with abysmal fundamentals and an awful scheme. 

[Pig Benis]

It was the most Arkansas thing we could have done. We rehired Bobby, as OC, all knowing we have Pitts' successor and only coach that's had us relevant in the past 20 years, on campus. Only to show him the door again for a coach that has had a modicum of success, doubling his salary, unlocking golden handcuffs from his previous school. We're just going to suck until there's all new leadership up there.

Spot on. I had zero expectations coming into the season and Saturday did nothing to change that. We are what we are.

[egregious]

It's a shame because I was raised on JFB football and everything that went with it.  Younger folks don't know the level of statewide rabid support it had, how the state stopped to listen to Bud Campbell do radio play by play and watching film with JFB Sunday afternoon. It was a special time and I hate that it's gone. 

For awhile there we were like a second tier Ohio State - only one or two games even in doubt at the start of the year.

[jdcatty]

Bobby didn't exactly have the offense humming last year.  Not real sure he's still got "it".

[DirkPiggler]

Bobby didn't exactly have the offense humming last year.  Not real sure he's still got "it".

Turnovers killed us.   We moved the ball great.  Scored enough to where we probably could have won 7-8 games if the defense had  been even unusually shitty instead of historically bad. 

[HogJaw]

In my opnion Bobby Petrino is the best coach we put on the field since joining the SEC. Let's pretend for a moment. What if it was Nick Saban that had a wreck on a motorcycle riding around with a young staffer, one that he was throwing the sausage to, and on his payroll? Would he have been fired at Alabama? Think about it? Hell no! A black helicopter would have been on scene within a few minutes, him and his mistress would have been flown from the scene. Then like the movie "Men in Black" there would have been folks in black suits telling folks to watch here, you may see a flash.

[jdcatty]

Turnovers killed us.   We moved the ball great.  Scored enough to where we probably could have won 7-8 games if the defense had  been even unusually shitty instead of historically bad. 

Turnovers did kill us.  But Bobby owns those turnovers.  They were a part of his offense.

[DirkPiggler]

Turnovers did kill us.  But Bobby owns those turnovers.  They were a part of his offense.

No doubt.  Level of detail wasn't what it used to be.   I suspect a lot of that was not being able to be as hard on them with Pittman nominally in charge.  But the plays he called worked. 

[Barton Fink]

Turnovers did kill us.  But Bobby owns those turnovers.  They were a part of his offense.

I guess I will never understand this thinking. The OC own the play call. The player owns the execution. The play wasn't designed to turn the ball over.

We've blamed SP for TOs the last several years. We hired a coach that preaches winning the TO margin. Biddy has said on several occasions that he has never seen a coach practice ball security more than RS. Yet we turn it over 3 times against an awful FCS school. These player's know to take care of the ball. They are the one's accountable.

[buff2.0]

We had the #5 offense in the SEC last season.

I mean, I don't actually know that, but it sounds accurate enough.

[jdcatty]

I guess I will never understand this thinking. The OC own the play call. The player owns the execution. The play wasn't designed to turn the ball over.

We've blamed SP for TOs the last several years. We hired a coach that preaches winning the TO margin. Biddy has said on several occasions that he has never seen a coach practice ball security more than RS. Yet we turn it over 3 times against an awful FCS school. These player's know to take care of the ball. They are the one's accountable.

Many of the turnovers last year were interceptions-- when our really athletic qb couldn't throw it to the right spot.

[Barton Fink]

But BP didn't tell him to throw it to the wrong spot. Isn't that on the QB? Make the right read. Make a good throw. Those are the 2 things a QB is asked to do. That is literally his job.