The last Southwest Classic (I hope)

[Thin Red Swine]

Lost in all of this is the fact that our offense scored 3 (!) points after the 4:50 mark in the 1st quarter.

Here's how the rest of our drives faired:

Punt
Fumble
Punt
Punt
Interception
Turnover on downs
Punt
Field goal
Punt
Fumble

And this is why the one score game stuff is rightly underscored. It's one thing to lose a close one that's a high scoring shootout in the 40s. 

But it's all together another, and the most common that Sam trots out, when we have multiple empty possessions and a plethora of chances.

[buff2.0]

We have proven we can win at least nine games in a year, and be within one score in another 16 losses over four plus years, with an absolute doofus running the show. 

A coach who has even an average amount of self-confidence should see that as a job where he can excel. 

We proved that three seasons ago we could win nine games.  Aside from that your selling point is that we are more than capable of losing close games, AND that we pay a low salary to go along with the average-at-best NIL pool?

Oh yeah, I'm sold.  We're awesome.

[Loma]

Turnovers likely cost us this game and the OK Lite game.

They did.

[Show-Me Hog]

"But in hindsight, I wish we would have stopped them."

In foresight too. Sidesight, left sight, right sight, every kind of sight. I wish we would have stopped them.

[HOGSRUNWILD]

Sam really has to go.  He is the common denominator and the team takes on his attributes...which is lack of confidence adn falling apart at the slightest adversity. 

[buff2.0]

In foresight too. Sidesight, left sight, right sight, every kind of sight. I wish we would have stopped them.

Come on, now.  Who really could have known that letting them score to get the lead late in the game would be a BAD thing!?

[TC]

Green never looks off his primary read and is super slow to make decisions often times the ball is late getting there even when he's looking right at it and it's open. Armstrong is the only WR that has any kind of rhythm with Green.


It's not all on Green...
I suspect other than Armstrong the WRs are hot trash at getting separation. Defenses will begin to focus on Armstrong now more so than ever because he is all we got.

We keep trotting out Broden who hasn't done jack shit. Sategna is looking pretty good to ok and could end up being a solid #2 option but .

This can't be overstated.

I'm not against some criticism of Petrino and Green, but it's a bit myopic to talk about benching him in light of the shit oline who couldn't  block my 82 yr old mother. How many false starts did they have? Broden sure isn't helping him out either.

When Green can't get a clean pocket to save his life, maybe hold off on the "Green is a failed Lamar Jackson project," talk for a bit.

[Thin Red Swine]

Come on, now.  Who really could have known that letting them score to get the lead late in the game would be a BAD thing!?

Yeah. Is he supposed to be a Nostradumas or something?

[vegashog]

When Green can't get a clean pocket to save his life, maybe hold off on the "Green is a failed Lamar Jackson project," talk for a bit.

while some of this true, why continually put him in the one situation that he has trouble with or the o-line puts him in? everyone with a brain cell knew they were going to bring pressure from the right side. there's a body of film that shows it's what you do. d j williams has pointed it out the two games prior and even the announcers brought it up yesterday.

our running backs had 13 carries.

[passed]

while some of this true, why continually put him in the one situation that he has trouble with or the o-line puts him in? everyone with a brain cell knew they were going to bring pressure from the right side. there's a body of film that shows it's what you do. d j williams has pointed it out the two games prior and even the announcers brought it up yesterday.

our running backs had 13 carries.

All fair points and true... However, do you think Singleton would do better?  Or is it more advisable to have the more experienced and much larger QB in there to take the hit or hopefully shed a tackler?  Not being a smart ass, Im genuinely asking... Maybe there's something different about Singleton I'm just not aware of.

I'd think the key would have been to run more screens, except when we tried to do that, there always seemed to be a defender in Green's face as soon as they snapped... like the line couldn't shift in time or someone got the block scheme wrong. 

[HOGSRUNWILD]

blackrock or whatever his name is...he is just too fucking slow to be a tackle against these elite DE's.  He did his best, but was just too fucking slow.  Not sure there is an answer.

I kept waiting for us to run a draw or something right at the DE that seemed to go wide every single play or anything that would take advantage of their overly aggressive play, but everything we tried was either blown up by chance or one of our players would completely whiffffff on a block on what would have been a big play. 

[TC]

while some of this true, why continually put him in the one situation that he has trouble with or the o-line puts him in? everyone with a brain cell knew they were going to bring pressure from the right side. there's a body of film that shows it's what you do. d j williams has pointed it out the two games prior and even the announcers brought it up yesterday.

our running backs had 13 carries.

I agree that it wasn't Petrinos finest game he's ever called, but how many years have we been dealing with this abysmal oline issue?

I'm not a KJ lover boy like HTL, but he faced the same issues. When a qb is running for his life 4 out of every 5 plays, then everything is busted. There's a reason why it looks like school yard ball, and that's not all by design.

Throw in a penalty, get behind the chains, and start with shit field position, and it's going to result in a shitty looking product.

[passed]

I agree that it wasn't Petrinos finest game he's ever called, but how many years have we been dealing with this abysmal oline issue?

I'm not a KJ lover boy like HTL, but he faced the same issues. When a qb is running for his life 4 out of every 5 plays, then everything is busted. There's a reason why it looks like school yard ball, and that's not all by design.

Throw in a penalty, get behind the chains, and start with shit field position, and it's going to result in a shitty looking product.

This right here.  DJ has done a great job of breaking a LOT of this down.  The play calls are largely good... but under throws and defenders living in the backfield are blowing up the Offense.  Now, one could say, if we know this is the issue, call plays that compensate for that.  My question would be... like what?  Screens?  Those got blown up too.  Seriously, I have no idea what to call when your OL can't block grandma.

[vegashog]

All fair points and true... However, do you think Singleton would do better?  Or is it more advisable to have the more experienced and much larger QB in there to take the hit or hopefully shed a tackler?  Not being a smart ass, Im genuinely asking... Maybe there's something different about Singleton I'm just not aware of.

I'd think the key would have been to run more screens, except when we tried to do that, there always seemed to be a defender in Green's face as soon as they snapped... like the line couldn't shift in time or someone got the block scheme wrong. 

have no idea about singleton. he seems tiny out there. my issue, fwiw, was with the play calling.

i am starting to have my doubt's about mateo's scheme and the lack of communication on the o-line although that falls on pittman too. and the great value wr coach? after 5 games our receivers still can't make anything close to clean cut on routes or come back for the ball.

we could have really used a bye week this week because the offense to me seems broken.

[passed]

have no idea about singleton. he seems tiny out there. my issue, fwiw, was with the play calling.

i am starting to have my doubt's about mateo's scheme and the lack of communication on the o-line although that falls on pittman too. and the great value wr coach? after 5 games our receivers still can't make anything close to clean cut on routes or come back for the ball.

we could have really used a bye week this week because the offense to me seems broken.

The WR drifting all over the place is worrisome.  I recall Petrino beating them up til they could run routes with great precision... That doesn't seem to be happening.  Is it Petrino getting more lax?  The WR coach?  Does Petrino have any say?  I would assume he does...

I also notice that our WR do not seem to attack the ball at all... they seem to want to just wait for it to get to them.  It really doesn't look like what I recall Petrino WR corps looking like...

[buff2.0]

It's time to get the band back together. Better call Paul.

And we're gonna have to recruit some WRs who aren't just happy to have a scholarship.

[buff2.0]

The WR drifting all over the place is worrisome.  I recall Petrino beating them up til they could run routes with great precision... That doesn't seem to be happening.  Is it Petrino getting more lax?  The WR coach?  Does Petrino have any say?  I would assume he does...

I also notice that our WR do not seem to attack the ball at all... they seem to want to just wait for it to get to them.  It really doesn't look like what I recall Petrino WR corps looking like...

Head coach Petrino could yell and them and that was it.  Easy to imagine Pittman pulling them aside after an ass-chewing and giving them an "I'll take care of you" message.

[animal]

The WR coach is Petrino's guy fwiw but I think he was coming from Missouri State as a QB's coach and is now a first time WR coach if I'm not mistaken. We kept a lot of the guys that sucked last season and magically most of them still suck this season so there's that. Not all on the new WR coach. Sategna has improved greatly, you can tell he's physically matured and has become a decent SEC target. Arguably Armstrong's route running has improved. Both guys are fighting for yardage where as last season they would have caught the ball and fell down immediately. Teslaa is probably about the same perhaps a bit better with the ball in his hands.

DJ Williams does a good job of showing the route running flaws in detail that I've not really seen from one of these Youtube shows and to his credit it's because he knows what the fuck he's talking about where as some of these guys are just stat nerds. All that drifting can make a huge difference just like getting the ball out on time and on target is also huge. A prime example of sloppy route running was a 3rd and about 6 and he hits Sategna on a crossing route who ran about a yard short of the line of gain. You got to find the sticks and turn...that was either a sloppy drift on the route or just lack of detail. 

This offense has evolved since the start of the season and not in a good way. We are a long way from guys running wide ass open and Petrino saying I read your god damn book! 

I think we are mostly out of the gun and Jackson is legit beat up and may not be much good for a few games if ever again. I have to wonder if the lack of carries to the backs are simply we didn't have anyone to hand it off to. Hill barely played. Russell is a freshman that may not be ready for the entire "package". Dubinion is on a not so double secret suspension. The majority of our run plays are read/options to players that don't know how to deal with the mesh point. 

I feel like we should be doing some wildcat type stuff with this setup even thought that's become kind of out of vogue. 

I'm not pinning my hopes on Kutus giving us anything if he comes back but maybe we can slide him in at RT...that's where he played last season. Guy has to be better than Blackrock Black Monolith.

[mde114]

Their DL was much more talented and much better prepared than our Oline. That was obvious from the jump. It's too bad we don't have a coach on staff that can recruit and develop offensive lineman.

[TC]

 

The WR drifting all over the place is worrisome.  I recall Petrino beating them up til they could run routes with great precision... That doesn't seem to be happening.  Is it Petrino getting more lax?  The WR coach?  Does Petrino have any say?  I would assume he does...

I also notice that our WR do not seem to attack the ball at all... they seem to want to just wait for it to get to them.  It really doesn't look like what I recall Petrino WR corps looking like...

Routes look like hammered shit after the first break, which is why I believe  they coached Green to get the ball out faster. But then if the primary is covered, thanks to the OLINE there's no time for the progressions.

So it's a cascading effect that starts with the line who can't block for shit. Green then doesn't have time to look any further than his primary and it all goes to shit if he's covered. So that turns into run for your life and wr's coming back to the ball and try to get to an open lane.

That's 95% of our passing game yesterday, and it starts with the Oline. Shitty receivers aren't helping.