2024 Coaching Hotseat

[vegashog]

if the players are employees, then of course their salaries will be made public. just like the coach's, ad, and everyone else employed by the school.

having players be 'student athletes' is not really leverage, it's how the schools and the ncaa hang on to their 501(c) status.

nil and performance. right now i can give money to the collective, designate which sport(s) it goes to, but i can't choose which player(s) or in any way put in performance stipulations. that's true of all the collectives. they are separate entity from the school. they give the money to the players, but because is a collective, can't put any performance 'clause' in it. again, there's nothing like that in pro sports other than incentives, so why would college be any different? and how in the hell would that be brought about? nil and revenue sharing are and will be two separate things.

[jdcatty]

if the players are employees, then of course their salaries will be made public. just like the coach's, ad, and everyone else employed by the school.

having players be 'student athletes' is not really leverage, it's how the schools and the ncaa hang on to their 501(c) status.

nil and performance. right now i can give money to the collective, designate which sport(s) it goes to, but i can't choose which player(s) or in any way put in performance stipulations. that's true of all the collectives. they are separate entity from the school. they give the money to the players, but because is a collective, can't put any performance 'clause' in it. again, there's nothing like that in pro sports other than incentives, so why would college be any different? and how in the hell would that be brought about? nil and revenue sharing are and will be two separate things.

Can't say they are employees.  That would open a whole bunch of issues like worker's compensation and retirement benefits, etc. 

[DirkPiggler]

Can't say they are employees.  That would open a whole bunch of issues like worker's compensation and retirement benefits, etc. 

Workmen's compensation would be an issue. 

I guess they would be eligible for state retirement, but that would likely be a moot point as they wouldn't have enough time as athletes alone to vest.   

[Pig Benis]

Can't say they are employees.  That would open a whole bunch of issues like worker's compensation and retirement benefits, etc. 

True. They could also be fired.

[DrMongoose]

Count their scholarships as income, which it should be.

Seriously a full ride scholarship, health care, meals, board, books, tutors, swag, weight room and training facilities, coaching, etc and they need to be paid to attend a school with no ties to actual athletic performance on their part, just show up, right?

We have lost our minds.

[animal]

What's a 9 year education worth these days anyways About a Million at the very least?

[Pumpkin Escobar]

What's a 9 year education worth these days anyways About a Million at the very least?

You'd have to ask Dorkula. He spent more time in college than MD's.

[Texzilla]

Count their scholarships as income, which it should be.

Seriously a full ride scholarship, health care, meals, board, books, tutors, swag, weight room and training facilities, coaching, etc and they need to be paid to attend a school with no ties to actual athletic performance on their part, just show up, right?

We have lost our minds.

The system is crazy at the moment, but I've got zero issues with players getting a cut of the grand riches of the game which their labors provide.  Let's get real.  These aren't real students.  You want that watch D3 ball.  These players have in many cases been pushed thru the education system for performance, then go to school on faux scholarships to get bullshit jackoff degrees.  Let's end the charade and treat them as simply hired help, and make them 1099 contractors.  They want to go to school fine. Give them a scholarship for when playing days are over. 

The other good news is that there was zero way for Arkansas to become a powerful program in the old ways.  No way that Arkansas could grow enough homegrown talent and recruit enough out of state talent, to compete. 
With NIL though and the portal you get the right coaches and recruiting staff, drive in the bucks, and you can buy the talent to be fucking Alabama. 

[DrMongoose]

The system is crazy at the moment, but I've got zero issues with players getting a cut of the grand riches of the game which their labors provide.  Let's get real.  These aren't real students.  You want that watch D3 ball.  These players have in many cases been pushed thru the education system for performance, then go to school on faux scholarships to get bullshit jackoff degrees.  Let's end the charade and treat them as simply hired help, and make them 1099 contractors.  They want to go to school fine. Give them a scholarship for when playing days are over. 

The other good news is that there was zero way for Arkansas to become a powerful program in the old ways.  No way that Arkansas could grow enough homegrown talent and recruit enough out of state talent, to compete. 
With NIL though and the portal you get the right coaches and recruiting staff, drive in the bucks, and you can buy the talent to be fucking Alabama. 

I agree they deserve a slice of the money they help generate - tv, bowl, etc - that is fair and warranted.

My issue is the schools expecting/wanting the fans/boosters to provide the money to pay them.

Hunter wants me to help pay the QB then pay for the right to buy tickets and then buy the tickets to watch the qb play. And there is no requirement of the qb to do anything but show up to get my money.

This is the same leadership who gave Sam a contract that automatically extends one year with a  7th win including a bowl game which would be 13 games - like this year - in which the coach is rewarded despite the team losing 6 games.

What business rewards a salesman for keeping any clients but losing 6?

College athletics is big business that has never operated like a business. It has always been spend, spend, spend with no accountability or respect for the fan/ booster's money.

You don't see Jerry asking the fans to pay the salary of dak, cede, and Micah.

[mde114]

With every game being broadcast on television, I don't understand why anyone pays the price of attending a game.

Send that money to the collective and give Arkansas a chance to win.

[FNG]

The first thing that needs to be fixed is the portal. The financial compensation can be worked out later.

No coach in the current model can do any kind of long-range strategic planning because they have no idea what their roster will be from one season to the next. Redshirt years to add weight, strength and improve position technique will be/are a thing of the past.

Go back to a system where a player gets only gets a "free" transfer in the case of a change in the HC. Otherwise, a transfer requires the player to sit out one year if out of conference and two years if in conference. Poaching coaches will be much less likely to pay players to sit a year or two and players will certainly not want to sit for free. Disgruntled players will have to compete in practice for a starting position rather than half-assing it until the next portal opening.

Coaches/GMs will be able to budget player compensation and target team needs more efficiently and High School recruiting will become more of a priority once again.

Now, get off my lawn.

[DirkPiggler]

The first thing that needs to be fixed is the portal. The financial compensation can be worked out later.

No coach in the current model can do any kind of long-range strategic planning because they have no idea what their roster will be from one season to the next. Redshirt years to add weight, strength and improve position technique will be/are a thing of the past.

Go back to a system where a player gets only gets a "free" transfer in the case of a change in the HC. Otherwise, a transfer requires the player to sit out one year if out of conference and two years if in conference. Poaching coaches will be much less likely to pay players to sit a year or two and players will certainly not want to sit for free. Disgruntled players will have to compete in practice for a starting position rather than half-assing it until the next portal opening.

Coaches/GMs will be able to budget player compensation and target team needs more efficiently and High School recruiting will become more of a priority once again.

Now, get off my lawn.

I'd allow one free transfer as an undergrad, with none allowed to teams on your current school's schedule.  Graduates would have no restrictions...if they get a degree they've earned the right to move as they please.   

The biggest issue with the money is not that they get any, or who is being asked to pay for it.  The problem is that they get it without conditions and no contractual limitations. 

[FNG]

I'd allow one free transfer as an undergrad, with none allowed to teams on your current school's schedule.  Graduates would have no restrictions...if they get a degree they've earned the right to move as they please. 

The biggest issue with the money is not that they get any, or who is being asked to pay for it.  The problem is that they get it without conditions and no contractual limitations. 

A commitment from a HS/JuCo player should be taken literally. I am committing myself to your team in exchange for free room, board, education (and now money). There should be a penalty if I decide not to honor my commitment.

As for a freebie, I agree that graduate students have fulfilled their obligations to a school. I also would not be opposed to a player that discovers his talent level is not commensurate with his current Division receiving a free transfer if he transferred "up" or "down" but lateral transfers should require one or two year waiting periods depending on whether the player transfers out of or remains within his conference respectively.

As you stated, the kids are now receiving money with no contractual obligations to perform a service and, evidently, putting that genie back into the bottle is not an easy thing to do. If college football is going to retain any structural stability it looks like it will have to be through regulation of the transfer portal.

[vegashog]

since all the conditions of the settlement haven't been completely agreed upon, the transfer portal could be addressed in it. from the looks of it, the first year will be a shitshow, but those that have to deal with it think it will settle down after that. keep in mind that the house settling is nil money. also it won't be the ncaa enforcing any oversight.

"As noted in Dellenger's story, the negotiated media contracts (NIL) would be signed by a prospective player along with their grant in aid from the university and could include language regarding compensation, number of years, and even address a buyout should the player choose to transfer to another university."

pretty good article:

https://floridastate.rivals.com/news/house-ncaa-settlement-could-clean-up-wild-west-of-nil

[Barton Fink]

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1868661207370264690?t=OPTrMiSPKKG3266hmFWQZQ&s=19

[jdcatty]

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1868661207370264690?t=OPTrMiSPKKG3266hmFWQZQ&s=19

I was just coming here to post this.  Isn't this similar to what Mike Gundy did?   Have we reached a tipping point where coaches are willing to donate a part of their millions to their programs to essentially help them keep their jobs by making the team better?

[DirkPiggler]

I was just coming here to post this.  Isn't this similar to what Mike Gundy did?   Have we reached a tipping point where coaches are willing to donate a part of their millions to their programs to essentially help them keep their jobs by making the team better?

Smart coaches who are somewhat desperate are doing this.

ADs who should be desperate but aren't should be forcing their underperforming coaches to do the same. 

It's worth noting that both Gundy and Norvell have far more onerous buyouts than Pittman, and are almost certainly more hireable elsewhere should they lose their current gigs.  Sam has apparently chosen the "fuck you, fire me if you don't like me" path rather than "lets work together to make the program better." 

And in fairness to Sam, it likely never crossed Hunter's mind to suggest it.  Sam may have been all in on something like this for all we know. 

[vegashog]

when you're making $10 million a year and you just had the 2nd largest one year drop in wins ever, then giving some of your salary back is a great pr move.

[Zoso]

I was just coming here to post this.  Isn't this similar to what Mike Gundy did?   Have we reached a tipping point where coaches are willing to donate a part of their millions to their programs to essentially help them keep their jobs by making the team better?

He obviously wasn't a coach but didn't Brady do this at New England?

[jdcatty]

He obviously wasn't a coach but didn't Brady do this at New England?

I believe he did, and he's not the only player that has.  A number of players, both football and baseball, have allowed there contracts to be restructured over the years to give the teams more money to work with.