Other College Football

[DirkPiggler]

Yeah that's a problem too. Let's say your QB hurts his thumb on a helmet during the 2 minute drive when you're down by 6.  He needs to take a play off to tape it.

All of a sudden your backup QB has to conduct the entire game winning drive? Wtf?

There are 3 possibilities. (1) Remains the most likely. (3) seems like zero percent chance to me. Maybe we can jigger (2) so that it works both to stop fake injuries and get key players back in the game.

(1) Status quo right now
(2) Some kind of mandatory longer sit-out for the injured player
(3) Determination (either in real time or after the game) of what injuries are fake or real

Call a timeout and get the QB back in the game. 

Or only enforce the rule if there is a stoppage of play due to the injury.  Which would encourage the truly but not seriously injured to hurry up and get off the field on their own power, which is what the rule intends to try to make happen anyway.

[The Whyte Boar]

Call a timeout and get the QB back in the game. 

Or only enforce the rule if there is a stoppage of play due to the injury.  Which would encourage the truly but not seriously injured to hurry up and get off the field on their own power, which is what the rule intends to try to make happen anyway.

No timeouts left, QB gets his breath knocked out of him scrambling for a critical first down.  Can't get up for half a minute.  Play stops, QB is out for the rest of the game deciding drive because no one has the guts to make a rule that actually addresses the problem instead of coming up with some blanket bullshit that penalizes players fighting their guts out.

[The Whyte Boar]

Guys making $10 million a year are instructing their players to game the rules to such an extent it is altering the games.  No one wants to design a rule that focuses on and potentially punishes the guys in charge making $10 million a year and instead want to focus on "solutions" that will penalize innocent players and fans.

[FNG]

Just review the game film and fine coaches for obvious fake injuries.

I agree in theory with your proposal but here is where it dies on the vine. It will always come down to your word against mine--and I will have an accomplice to back me up.

You: After a careful examination of the film I have assessed you a fine for faking player injuries.

Me: I did no such thing.

You: The film clearly shows you pointing to a player on the field who immediately drops to the ground and begins writhing.

Me: Of course I did, I noticed he appeared to be injured but was trying to remain on the field. Policy states that injured players are to get off their feet until assessed by the training staff.

You: Then why was he able to return to the field one play later?

Me: Fortunately, he was only experiencing muscle cramps which responded to stretching and rapid hydration.

You: Player X, is this true?

Player X: Yes sir, what Coach said.

Film review would be an exercise in futility.

[Zoso]

I agree in theory with your proposal but here is where it dies on the vine. It will always come down to your word against mine--and I will have an accomplice to back me up.

You: After a careful examination of the film I have assessed you a fine for faking player injuries.

Me: I did no such thing.

You: The film clearly shows you pointing to a player on the field who immediately drops to the ground and begins writhing.

Me: Of course I did, I noticed he appeared to be injured but was trying to remain on the field. Policy states that injured players are to get off their feet until assessed by the training staff.

You: Then why was he able to return to the field one play later?

Me: Fortunately, he was only experiencing muscle cramps which responded to stretching and rapid hydration.

You: Player X, is this true?

Player X: Yes sir, what Coach said.

Film review would be an exercise in futility.

This is exactly why it can never be regulated.

[The Whyte Boar]

I agree in theory with your proposal but here is where it dies on the vine. It will always come down to your word against mine--and I will have an accomplice to back me up.

You: After a careful examination of the film I have assessed you a fine for faking player injuries.

Me: I did no such thing.

You: The film clearly shows you pointing to a player on the field who immediately drops to the ground and begins writhing.

Me: Of course I did, I noticed he appeared to be injured but was trying to remain on the field. Policy states that injured players are to get off their feet until assessed by the training staff.

You: Then why was he able to return to the field one play later?

Me: Fortunately, he was only experiencing muscle cramps which responded to stretching and rapid hydration.

You: Player X, is this true?

Player X: Yes sir, what Coach said.

Film review would be an exercise in futility.

Here is where you miss the point.  Nobody gives a shit if the coach beats it in the end.  The process is the punishment.  Make the process onerous and time consuming.  You don't ask him or the player about before you assess the fine.  You make a call, and levy the fine. If the coach wants to dispute it, he can summon his experts, bring his player to testify, and all that at the hearing at the end of the year.  Nobody wants to dick around with all that for an extra opportunity or two to make a substitution.  All this stuff will die with a quickness.

[piglosopher]

That last example just raised a new problem that I hadn't even seen.

What if a player comes off the field for injury but doesn't stop the game? Can he go right back in? How do we know why he went out of the game?

Enforce the rule of any injury requiring stoppage of play or clock. That's the whole idea of pulling this crap.

Maybe another idea is to have a rule that while the injured (real/fake) player is bring attended to, mics are turned off and no communication or substitution is allowed for either side until the play clock resumes.

A called timeout negates the above.

[Show-Me Hog]

Here is where you miss the point.  Nobody gives a shit if the coach beats it in the end.  The process is the punishment.  Make the process onerous and time consuming.  You don't ask him or the player about before you assess the fine.  You make a call, and levy the fine. If the coach wants to dispute it, he can summon his experts, bring his player to testify, and all that at the hearing at the end of the year.  Nobody wants to dick around with all that for an extra opportunity or two to make a substitution.  All this stuff will die with a quickness.

Here is where you miss the point.

The NCAA is never going to put a process in place just to punish by process. They can barely enforce their rules at all anymore anyway. They're barely hanging on by a thread as an organization.

I do have an idea that might break the whole thing wide open. The NCAA hires Tom Cruise as the investigator and interrogator.

If he yells "DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED" at a coach a couple of times, they'll break.

[animal]

Then it's an unfixable problem that will only be made worse when a stupid rule penalizes legitimately injured players by making them miss game time they shouldn't.

More games will be decided by key players absent from critical downs than were ever decided because of fake injuries slowing down offenses.

I am leaning towards having the injured player sit till a min of next change of possession. It won't stop teams from sending scrubs in but if you are doing that you a weakening your team by putting in the scrub and taking him away from being able to legit come into the game.

There aren't any great solutions only things that can be done in the name of player safety. The truly injured will do what truly injured players always do and that's cowboy the fuck up. Or don't and they are likely out anyway for a quarter or the remaining game.

[piglosopher]

No timeouts left, QB gets his breath knocked out of him scrambling for a critical first down.  Can't get up for half a minute.  Play stops, QB is out for the rest of the game deciding drive because no one has the guts to make a rule that actually addresses the problem instead of coming up with some blanket bullshit that penalizes players fighting their guts out.

If he can get to the sideline on his own power, or a timeout is called, he can go back in on the very next play.

[The Whyte Boar]

Here is where you miss the point.

The NCAA is never going to put a process in place just to punish by process. They can barely enforce their rules at all anymore anyway. They're barely hanging on by a thread as an organization.

I do have an idea that might break the whole thing wide open. The NCAA hires Tom Cruise as the investigator and interrogator.

If he yells "DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED" at a coach a couple of times, they'll break.

I'm not talking about an NCAA rule.  I'm talking about an SEC rule.  The conference has the ability and has no problem assessing large fines for things like a coach talking about officiating or fans storming fields. It's real simple.  It's an SEC officiating issue.

It's not even a rule change.  It's just an SEC administrative process.

[The Whyte Boar]

If he can get to the sideline on his own power, or a timeout is called, he can go back in on the very next play.

No timeouts and there is a play stoppage.  So he is out for what is effectively the rest of the game.

[DirkPiggler]

No timeouts and there is a play stoppage.  So he is out for what is effectively the rest of the game.

Then it's tough shit for him. Unfortunately he's paying the price for all the assholes (players and coaches) who can't follow rules.

It happens in every other aspect of life. 

[The Whyte Boar]

Then it's tough shit for him. Unfortunately he's paying the price for all the assholes (players and coaches) who can't follow rules.

It happens in every other aspect of life. 

So why do you and seemingly everyone else, have no problem making a rule change that harms innocent players and fanbases to fix a problem, but completely balk at simply reviewing game film and having someone say "that's a bullshit injury" and trying to put the blame and damage on the guilty party?

It's the gayest shit I've ever seen.  Let's make a blanket one sized rule that we absolutely know will damage completely innocent players because making judgement calls to more narrowly focus the harm where it should be MIGHT cause harm to someone it shouldn't.

And which by the way will NOT be fair or equal.  The Kiffins of the world will send in their second and third stringers to take the hit and miss a couple of possessions.  A quarter later, the Arkansas of the world will pay the price when the QB gets his bell rung on the potential game winning drive and has to miss the rest of the game.

Absolutely retarded logic.

[vegashog]

So why do you and seemingly everyone else, have no problem making a rule change that harms innocent players and fanbases to fix a problem, but completely balk at simply reviewing game film and having someone say "that's a bullshit injury" and trying to put the blame and damage on the guilty party?

It's the gayest shit I've ever seen.  Let's make a blanket one sized rule that we absolutely know will damage completely innocent players because making judgement calls to more narrowly focus the harm where it should be MIGHT cause harm to someone it shouldn't.

Absolutely retarded logic.

who is this arbiter of injury justice exactly? 

and how to you enforce a 'sec only' rule when playing an occ opponent?

[Show-Me Hog]

So why do you and seemingly everyone else, have no problem making a rule change that harms innocent players and fanbases to fix a problem, but completely balk at simply reviewing game film and having someone say "that's a bullshit injury" and trying to put the blame and damage on the guilty party?

It's the gayest shit I've ever seen.  Let's make a blanket one sized rule that we absolutely know will damage completely innocent players because making judgement calls to more narrowly focus the harm where it should be MIGHT cause harm to someone it shouldn't.

And which by the way will NOT be fair or equal.  The Kiffins of the world will send in their second and third stringers to take the hit and miss a couple of possessions.  A quarter later, the Arkansas of the world will pay the price when the QB gets his bell rung on the potential game winning drive and has to miss the rest of the game.

Absolutely retarded logic.

Numerous posters have outlined why this will never work, and your only response is "the process is the punishment."

With all due respect, THAT'S the retarded take.

[DirkPiggler]

Numerous posters have outlined why this will never work, and your only response is "the process is the punishment."

With all due respect, THAT'S the retarded take.

Someone needs to get laid.

[Thin Red Swine]

So why do you and seemingly everyone else, have no problem making a rule change that harms innocent players and fanbases to fix a problem, but completely balk at simply reviewing game film and having someone say "that's a bullshit injury" and trying to put the blame and damage on the guilty party?

It's the gayest shit I've ever seen.  Let's make a blanket one sized rule that we absolutely know will damage completely innocent players because making judgement calls to more narrowly focus the harm where it should be MIGHT cause harm to someone it shouldn't.

And which by the way will NOT be fair or equal.  The Kiffins of the world will send in their second and third stringers to take the hit and miss a couple of possessions.  A quarter later, the Arkansas of the world will pay the price when the QB gets his bell rung on the potential game winning drive and has to miss the rest of the game.

Absolutely retarded logic.

You've been fined $50,000 as a result of our film review of the sideline action of the Kentucky game.

     I've been what?!  Why?!

You told your linebacker #38 to fall to the ground on 2nd and 5 at your 32 with 4 minutes left in the third quarter.

    No, I didn't. I can't even remember what I had for lunch. How can you prove it?

You pointed at him and then down to the ground.

    I was pointing at my DT and reminding him to get low leverage on the O-linemen.



(And yet, on an entirely different play at a critical juncture, the backup punter knelt on the sideline to "tie his shoe," which was the pre-planned signal for a guy to go down to try to slow the offense's momentum).

[BleedinRed]

This is an easy problem to fix.  College Football should just implement what Soccer has done in dealing with players faking injury. 

[The Whyte Boar]

You've been fined $50,000 as a result of our film review of the sideline action of the Kentucky game.

     I've been what?!  Why?!

You told your linebacker #38 to fall to the ground on 2nd and 5 at your 32 with 4 minutes left in the third quarter.

    No, I didn't. I can't even remember what I had for lunch. How can you prove it?

You pointed at him and then down to the ground.

    I was pointing at my DT and reminding him to get low leverage on the O-linemen.



(And yet, on an entirely different play at a critical juncture, the backup punter knelt on the sideline to "tie his shoe," which was the pre-planned signal for a guy to go down to try to slow the offense's momentum).

You're failing to understand the burden of proof.  Once decided, it's the coaches burden to prove that IT WASN'T intentional.