Razorback Football

[FNG]

My guess is yes. There isn't a special drill that some coaches know about that is guaranteed to cause less TOs.

Exactly, ball security hasn't changed since the days of leather helmets.

I played running back in the days when we rode dinosaurs to games and the technique of defenders going all Mike Tyson on the football wasn't a thing and, even then, we were drilled daily on eagle claw grip, 5 points of pressure, transferring the ball to the boundary side when in the open field and both hands on the ball when making contact. Fumbling in a game or practice meant you wouldn't be seeing the ball again for a minute.

I wasn't quick, missed most of the holes, and my 40 time was measured with a calendar but, by God, I never fumbled. 

[Barton Fink]

I played hoops at LR Mills and was the only white kid on the team. We would run down and backs and if you won you were done. Every day I was reminded that I wasn't very fast.

[Texzilla]

Fumbling is a mental issue.  Lots of RBs have poor ball skills because they weren't coached out of it.  They were usually the best athlete on the field and weren't held accountable. 

JFB had a a method for fixing fumbleitis.  You got benched. You had to carry a ball properly to class.  For bad cases like John Richardson he'd have Bill Burnette come mentor them.  It fixed most of them.  Holding the ball correctly is a habit that must be learned. 

For QBs it's brains.  Green doesn't read defenses worth a shit.  Has no pocket presence or feel for the rush.  INTs should be classified though like an error in baseball with blame assigned to qb or receiver. 

[woodhog14]

Yes but from what I understand from some of the Know-it-all's on Youtube reviewing the game tape the QB is still holding the ball too long and flat out missing easy reads. I didn't see the game so I can't comment any further.

It's definitely both. Green still misses open/easy reads when he has time.

[gorillawarfare]

Exactly, ball security hasn't changed since the days of leather helmets.

I played running back in the days when we rode dinosaurs to games and the technique of defenders going all Mike Tyson on the football wasn't a thing and, even then, we were drilled daily on eagle claw grip, 5 points of pressure, transferring the ball to the boundary side when in the open field and both hands on the ball when making contact. Fumbling in a game or practice meant you wouldn't be seeing the ball again for a minute.

I wasn't quick, missed most of the holes, and my 40 time was measured with a calendar but, by God, I never fumbled. 

It boils down to attention to detail which is akin to coaching.  The old adage of 'how you do anything is how you do everything'.  Under the Pittman regime we are not maniacal about the details.  When you don't have a talent advantage you have to beat teams by being better fundamentally sound than the other guys.  We simply don't do the little things you have to do to win often enough.   Another example when we were punting late to Texas (spit) we didn't run the play clock all the way down and snapped the ball with 8 seconds left.   It didn't ultimately impact the game but the point remains we don't focus on the little things it takes to maximize our potential to win.  When you don't have a jimmies and joes advantage that shows up when it matters.  Lack of fundamentals / concentration leads too poor ball security which obviously shows up in negative turnover margins.

[Feral]

This is not a shot at Petrino, but I think part of Green's struggles are due to his offense being too complicated for the modern QB.

We all laughed at Cam Newton's pre-draft interview with Gruden where he said their play calls were numbers and nothing beyond that. He sounded like a kid who just learned arithmetic talking to a calculus professor. Fast forward a decade and that's basically the modern college offensive scheme and terminology. It's all one read, get it out quick stuff.

I'm not saying that Petrino should necessarily dumb down his offense, just pointing out that there aren't that many QBs who can run it anymore. We haven't had one who could run that type of scheme competently since Brandon Allen, and he's been gone for nearly a decade. 

The scheme definitely works as evidenced by receivers running open all over the place, our QB(s) just can't do proper read progressions and find them. Our offense tends to exacerbate Green's flaws instead of scheming around them.

[hit_that_line]

There's nothing complicated about what we're running.

[Barton Fink]

On the meticulous attention to detail front, there probably is not a more meticulous person in football today than Petrino. His offense is turning the ball over. Do we really think he hasn't thoroughly addressed the issue?

[Doc Hogaday]

We haven't had one who could run that type of scheme competently since Brandon Allen, and he's been gone for nearly a decade. 

 

Just told a buddy during the game Saturday that I wish we could somehow get back those 6 or so years years Bobby would have had with the Allen brothers.

[animal]

Boise State fans pretty much said what Green was. And they were right.. maybe another year of development will yield better results but at some point if you continue to show that you can't stand there and deliver you have to find someone that will. I think the biggest issue with Green is pocket presence and pocket awareness. I think he sees it just isn't pulling the trigger because he's too concerned with 345lb grown mens taking out his knee which incidentally is about the only place they can hit a QB these days.

Petrino historically relies a lot on the QB to make various presnap reads and basically have a good idea where the ball is going but it's not full proof and you have to have a guy that can think on his feet.

Yes it's true this sport has fewer elway types that are commanding their troops down the field. Not many QBs out there mindfucking opponents the way Manning or Brady did etc.

[egregious]

Explain it to them like John Heisman did.

"What is this? It is a prolate spheroid, an elongated sphere in which the outer leather casing is drawn tightly over a somewhat smaller rubber tubing. Better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."

[gorillawarfare]

On the meticulous attention to detail front, there probably is not a more meticulous person in football today than Petrino. His offense is turning the ball over. Do we really think he hasn't thoroughly addressed the issue?

My point is the tone is set at the top.  Of course coordinators play a big role but the HC sets the tone for the program. 

[DrMongoose]

Green is who he is, at this point expecting anything else is pelphreyeqse.

Where are the adjustments? Where are the throws to the TE?

When are special teams going to actually return a kick or block one?

Talent evaluation has been a big issue under Pittman.
Playing the wrong guys has also been an issue - where have the guys in the secondary who played last week been all year?

The 9 win season was a fluke, can we finally admit that?

[buff2.0]

This guy and Bobby could have some fun

https://x.com/spilledmybag/status/1858974071184388417?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg

[animal]

I mean I guy can't even ask a young lady out for sex anymore. It's disgusting.

[FNG]

This guy and Bobby could have some fun

https://x.com/spilledmybag/status/1858974071184388417?s=46&t=DTGVKlgNTKh5Nq29PdZsdg

Bring him to Arkansas. Sam doesn't have any daughters and if he propositions any of T Will's girls his "horse" will be a gelding.

[HogOfWar]

Bring him to Arkansas. Sam doesn't have any daughters and if he propositions any of T Will's girls his "horse" will be a gelding.

GVN should fulfill his destiny and get into the People Helpn business.

[Texzilla]

It boils down to attention to detail which is akin to coaching.  The old adage of 'how you do anything is how you do everything'.  Under the Pittman regime we are not maniacal about the details.  When you don't have a talent advantage you have to beat teams by being better fundamentally sound than the other guys.  We simply don't do the little things you have to do to win often enough.   Another example when we were punting late to Texas (spit) we didn't run the play clock all the way down and snapped the ball with 8 seconds left.   It didn't ultimately impact the game but the point remains we don't focus on the little things it takes to maximize our potential to win.  When you don't have a jimmies and joes advantage that shows up when it matters.  Lack of fundamentals / concentration leads too poor ball security which obviously shows up in negative turnover margins.

This mindset was the basis of JFB football and winning despite disadvantages against bigger Texas teams.

1.  Stamina.  JFB teams always held up the 4 at the start of the final quarter. Why? Because his teams were in better shape.  Scheme and physical advantage goes away when they're out of gas and you're not.  That's when you have them by the balls.  Jimmy believed it. Switzer. Hatfield. It's why you practice in the heat. Don't hire fat coaches or those that value scheme over conditioning.  That's Bert. Chad. Sam.

Sam: BIG FAIL. 

2. Brains and Instinct.  JFB wanted smart players with great football instincts.  Not just in QBs.  Look at Loyd Philips. Cliff Powell.  Theileman.  It's a long list of smart players with exception football game instincts.  Coaches were exceptionally bright and great in teaching their concepts and situational awareness.

Sam:  Fail

3.  Speed.  To the hole. To the ball.  Attacking always and playing with better tempo than the band (ok I need a better analogy). I think TWill likes atracking the ball but ain't got the legs.

Sam:  fail

4. Eliminate mistakes.  Team ball wins; individual mistakes cost games.  Don't beat yourself with stupid penalties, turnovers, assignment misses.  Individual accountability and failures have a price. 

Sam:  big fail.  The team is sloppy, lazy, and uninspired because he is that in his life.

Special teams excellence.  The kicking game should always be won.  It determines field position, and mistakes are devastating.  Win this segment and you can win the game. 

Sam: fail. 

Culture.  The HC sets the tone of expectations, minimal standards, small details, team character, fitness requirements.  Accountability a must but it has to bleed down thru staff and the players.  The players must have character to enforce this themselves. 

Sam: fail

Dames doesn't do a single thing that is required for a program like Arkansas to succeed. 

[Spiderham]

This mindset was the basis of JFB football and winning despite disadvantages against bigger Texas teams.

1.  Stamina.  JFB teams always held up the 4 at the start of the final quarter. Why? Because his teams were in better shape.  Scheme and physical advantage goes away when they're out of gas and you're not.  That's when you have them by the balls.  Jimmy believed it. Switzer. Hatfield. It's why you practice in the heat. Don't hire fat coaches or those that value scheme over conditioning.  That's Bert. Chad. Sam.

Sam: BIG FAIL. 

2. Brains and Instinct.  JFB wanted smart players with great football instincts.  Not just in QBs.  Look at Loyd Philips. Cliff Powell.  Theileman.  It's a long list of smart players with exception football game instincts.  Coaches were exceptionally bright and great in teaching their concepts and situational awareness.

Sam:  Fail

3.  Speed.  To the hole. To the ball.  Attacking always and playing with better tempo than the band (ok I need a better analogy). I think TWill likes atracking the ball but ain't got the legs.

Sam:  fail

4. Eliminate mistakes.  Team ball wins; individual mistakes cost games.  Don't beat yourself with stupid penalties, turnovers, assignment misses.  Individual accountability and failures have a price. 

Sam:  big fail.  The team is sloppy, lazy, and uninspired because he is that in his life.

Special teams excellence.  The kicking game should always be won.  It determines field position, and mistakes are devastating.  Win this segment and you can win the game. 

Sam: fail. 

Culture.  The HC sets the tone of expectations, minimal standards, small details, team character, fitness requirements.  Accountability a must but it has to bleed down thru staff and the players.  The players must have character to enforce this themselves. 

Sam: fail

Dames doesn't do a single thing that is required for a program like Arkansas to succeed. 

TL:DR summary:  Texilla hates Sam Pittman.  

[Texzilla]

TL:DR summary:  Texilla hates Sam Pittman.   

Someone has to.  Twitter is overrun with Sam knob polishers. 

But what I say is required to win here applies to any coach whether it's lashes or Vince Lombardi.  Sam  and Chad and Bert violated them all.  In Bert and Sam's case it starts with them being fat asses that hate the heat.