The BMFP IS in the Room Part II

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The Whyte Boar

Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2023, 02:23 PMNot a chance.

Nutt would have found a way to go 7-4 against the same weak assed SWC that Hatfield faced. 

"You'd love to see a Rice on your schedule Chuck."

Nutt would play up and down to the competition.  He would have been the same in the weak SWC, his SEC era, and today's tougher SEC era.  He could coach, and he could both under and over achieve.

DirkPiggler

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 30, 2023, 02:50 PMI'm going to bitch about this once. Since the accident, we were told how there was no choice except to fire Petrino. Lawsuits, lying, University policy, etcetera about why. Smug, condescending, holier than thou fans and administrators claimed there was no alternative. Those of us who begged to differ were childish and just didn't understand how things work.

It was all bullshit. We fired our best football coach in two generations during his prime years of coaching. We endured over a decade of football abyss as a result of this decision that should not have been made. Now our lame duck, retirement aged coach who never had a prime is hiring a retirement aged OC who is past his prime.

I like everything about Pittman except for the fact that he isn't SEC head coaching material. I love Bobby Petrino. I think he is a football genius.  I'm going to buy tickets to watch them play next year. I really hope this works. Everyone of you fucksheads that said he couldn't coach here were wrong, and people that think like you were in charge of firing him and they are responsible for destroying our football program while we were competing for SEC championships. Everybody who thought that has a looser mentality and we lost because of it.

I hope it works.


We need to put that on a billboard on I-49.  Every. God. Damn. Word.
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DirkPiggler

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2023, 02:53 PMNutt would play up and down to the competition.  He would have been the same in the week SWC, his SEC era, and today's tougher SEC era.  He could coach, and he could both under and over achieve.

My point exactly.  Put him at Georgia and he'd go 8-4, 9-3 until he ran out of Kirby's players.  Put him at UCA, ASU, Pulaski Academy, or Eudora, same result. 
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The Whyte Boar

Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2023, 02:54 PMWe need to put that on a billboard on I-49.  Every. God. Damn. Word.

I order to avoid car wrecks and deaths, I would settle for a giant billboard in The Pit.  Make every motherfucker read it before they enter the stadium.

The Whyte Boar

The lawsuits angle was always stupid.  It was a $50k a year job.  If every applicant was found to be better qualified and therefore entitled to a year's salary (and that never would have happened), BP could have covered it with his salary through about May or June.  They could have handled any threat or lawsuits by making him sign an indemnity agreement with the school.

DirkPiggler

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Nov 30, 2023, 03:02 PMThe lawsuits angle was always stupid.  It was a $50k a year job.  If every applicant was found to be better qualified and therefore entitled to a year's salary (and that never would have happened), BP could have covered it with his salary through about May or June.  They could have handled any threat or lawsuits by making him sign an indemnity agreement with the school.

I'm glad to see an actual lawyer say that.  I've argued with several people along those lines on Twitter and elsewhere. 

The way I see it, we're talking about a stepping stone job where people stay 1-3 years and either move on to something better, or wash out of the industry.  Like you said, it paid $50K per year.  From what I recall, there were around 30 applicants deemed to have met the posted qualifications.  Some of those undoubtedly would have been eliminated for other reasons, ranging from poor people skills to chronic body odor to the threat of corporate espionage (one candidate was a recent OL from LSU - think BP wouldn't have had concerns?). 

Contrary to popular belief, from what I've seen judges don't just hand out McDonalds coffee judgments like $5 off oil change coupons.  Assume the damages as two years of salary for every "qualified" applicant and you're at $3MM, or like you said, 3/4 of a year of BP's salary.  I guaranfuckingtee we lost at least ten times that in foregone donations/ticket sales, buyouts to poor coaches, and brand deterioration. 

Shifting gears, I wonder what the Venn diagram looks like between the "we HAD to fire him" crowd and "has a gay son they don't speak to anymore because Jesus" and the "disowned your daughter for having a biracial baby" circles.  I would imagine there is significant overlap. 
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Show-Me Hog

Just saw a video of Bobby, speaking on reels, where he says that Jimbo wanted to keep his own terminology and so it was hard to learn and install the offense. Here, he says he's going to be installing it with its original terminology. We will "learn it three times" and be ready for opening kickoff.

Ok then.

bigpig

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Nov 30, 2023, 03:26 PMJust saw a video of Bobby, speaking on reels, where he says that Jimbo wanted to keep his own terminology and so it was hard to learn and install the offense. Here, he says he's going to be installing it with its original terminology. We will "learn it three times" and be ready for opening kickoff.

Ok then.

It was obvious from game one this year that A&M wasn't running Bobby's offense. Granted, his playcalling changed a lot between Arkansas 2011 and Louisville part 2. He had Lamar Jackson and ran a lot more RPO stuff.

But at Missouri State is more like 2011. A lot of shotgun, but plenty of under center stuff as well.

That's what I expect to see, but I guess it depends on who our QB will be.
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Too Big Pig

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Thin Red Swine

Quote from: DirkPiggler on Nov 30, 2023, 03:13 PMI'm glad to see an actual lawyer say that.  I've argued with several people along those lines on Twitter and elsewhere. 

The way I see it, we're talking about a stepping stone job where people stay 1-3 years and either move on to something better, or wash out of the industry.  Like you said, it paid $50K per year.  From what I recall, there were around 30 applicants deemed to have met the posted qualifications.  Some of those undoubtedly would have been eliminated for other reasons, ranging from poor people skills to chronic body odor to the threat of corporate espionage (one candidate was a recent OL from LSU - think BP wouldn't have had concerns?). 

Contrary to popular belief, from what I've seen judges don't just hand out McDonalds coffee judgments like $5 off oil change coupons.  Assume the damages as two years of salary for every "qualified" applicant and you're at $3MM, or like you said, 3/4 of a year of BP's salary.  I guaranfuckingtee we lost at least ten times that in foregone donations/ticket sales, buyouts to poor coaches, and brand deterioration. 

Shifting gears, I wonder what the Venn diagram looks like between the "we HAD to fire him" crowd and "has a gay son they don't speak to anymore because Jesus" and the "disowned your daughter for having a biracial baby" circles.  I would imagine there is significant overlap. 

But, but, but...sexual harassment!

 ::)

animal

Quote from: Too Big Pig on Nov 30, 2023, 03:45 PMPetrino press conference live on YouTube now.

https://www.youtube.com/live/m7FF7iAOZPQ?si=RnHewx8ZpGe-Wtrj
We haven't had a coach at any title in the football dept give intelligent answers to any and all questions...since Bobby Petrino.
"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

Ray Zorback

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 30, 2023, 02:50 PMI'm going to bitch about this once. Since the accident, we were told how there was no choice except to fire Petrino. Lawsuits, lying, University policy, etcetera about why. Smug, condescending, holier than thou fans and administrators claimed there was no alternative. Those of us who begged to differ were childish and just didn't understand how things work.

It was all bullshit. We fired our best football coach in two generations during his prime years of coaching. We endured over a decade of football abyss as a result of this decision that should not have been made. Now our lame duck, retirement aged coach who never had a prime is hiring a retirement aged OC who is past his prime.

I like everything about Pittman except for the fact that he isn't SEC head coaching material. I love Bobby Petrino. I think he is a football genius.  I'm going to buy tickets to watch them play next year. I really hope this works. Everyone of you fucksheads that said he couldn't coach here were wrong, and people that think like you were in charge of firing him and they are responsible for destroying our football program while we were competing for SEC championships. Everybody who thought that has a looser mentality and we lost because of it.

I hope it works.

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Quote from: Barton Fink on Nov 30, 2023, 04:45 PMHe had the best coaches show evar.

I feel like I know a lot about football.  I played 9 years and watched for almost 50.

I learned something every single time I watched his show.

He changed the way I watch football games.

bigpig

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HOGSRUNWILD

Quote from: DRYANKNPULL on Nov 30, 2023, 02:50 PMI'm going to bitch about this once. Since the accident, we were told how there was no choice except to fire Petrino. Lawsuits, lying, University policy, etcetera about why. Smug, condescending, holier than thou fans and administrators claimed there was no alternative. Those of us who begged to differ were childish and just didn't understand how things work.

It was all bullshit. We fired our best football coach in two generations during his prime years of coaching. We endured over a decade of football abyss as a result of this decision that should not have been made. Now our lame duck, retirement aged coach who never had a prime is hiring a retirement aged OC who is past his prime.

I like everything about Pittman except for the fact that he isn't SEC head coaching material. I love Bobby Petrino. I think he is a football genius.  I'm going to buy tickets to watch them play next year. I really hope this works. Everyone of you fucksheads that said he couldn't coach here were wrong, and people that think like you were in charge of firing him and they are responsible for destroying our football program while we were competing for SEC championships. Everybody who thought that has a looser mentality and we lost because of it.

I hope it works.


I argued violently with many on there on the topic since I'm very well versed in EEOC laws regarding paramour exceptions and such...

It wasn't illegal and no lawsuits could be brought on those grounds.  There simply was no case.  Also, if there was a case and damages, firing him did nothing to change those damages. 

It was dumb and no necessary then in any way and the people arguing it was were and still are fucking retards. 

red death

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The Nutt sycophants, I know some who hate Petrino to this day with a passion, wanted him gone. 

The university wanted him gone.  I know someone who worked in the department. 

The smear campaign was orchestrated by the university with all that spin about lawsuits, integrity, lying, blah blah blah.  The spineless press ran with it like the good little lapdogs they are. 

Yes, we knew it was bullshit.  There's no one on this board that is responsible, we were all calling it out 12 years ago. 

Petrino got fired because in their eyes he was too powerful.  There were powerful factions worried about that.  We see right now his sway and power over the state.  To those whp were in charge that was a threat and had to be managed.

Not coincidentally that's the same thing that got rid of Nolan.  They sabotaged that man in the athletic department the entire time he was here.  This may sound crazy, but we've had people in our department who didn't want a winner.  They wanted someone they could control. 


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George Carlin

red death

It's incredible the amount of joy it brings me that we had a game last night where all these years later it is Nolan and Petrino getting crowd shots. 

Not Nutt haha that shit is eating him alive.  Not the Broyles politic machine. Nolan and Petrino.  There's a lot to learn from that about karma.



"The very existence of flamethrowers means that somebody somewhere said you know I wan't to set that person over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

George Carlin

bigpig

Quote from: red death on Nov 30, 2023, 06:08 PMThe Nutt sycophants, I know some who hate Petrino to this day with a passion, wanted him gone. 

The university wanted him gone.  I know someone who worked in the department. 

The smear campaign was orchestrated by the university with all that spin about lawsuits, integrity, lying, blah blah blah.  The spineless press ran with it like the good little lapdogs they are. 

Yes, we knew it was bullshit.  There's no one on this board that is responsible, we were all calling it out 12 years ago. 

Petrino got fired because in their eyes he was too powerful.  There were powerful factions worried about that.  We see right now his sway and power over the state.  To those whp were in charge that was a threat and had to be managed.

Not coincidentally that's the same thing that got rid of Nolan.  They sabotaged that man in the athletic department the entire time he was here.  This may sound crazy, but we've had people in our department who didn't want a winner.  They wanted someone they could control. 




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Trigger7672

Pittman: "They had the BMFP shirts out and coach had to ask someone what that stands for and we were having trouble figuring that one out" lmao