2026 Razorback Baseball

Started by BleedinRed, Jun 19, 2025, 09:58 AM

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BleedinRed

Quote from: jdcatty on Jun 01, 2026, 05:49 PMPreach on, brother!  I agree completely
Completely agree with what?   Tell us why he should never be considered?  As much as I like Aref, he did t expand on why other than he doesn't want to win at all costs.  That is still undefined.  

BleedinRed

Quote from: jdcatty on Jun 01, 2026, 06:28 PMSee, I don't agree that everyone hated Bobby-- till he rode that damn motorcycle.  Maybe the recipients of his dog-cussings hated him, including a few of his players.  But everyone damn sure respected him.
Literally everyone hated Bobby.  Louisville fans hated him.  Falcon fans/organization hated him.  Coaches hated him.  Players families hated him.  ESPN hated him. 

If anyone likes Bobby but hates TV; well, I don't know how to calculate that in the adobes.

jdcatty

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Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 01, 2026, 06:55 PMCompletely agree with what?   Tell us why he should never be considered?  As much as I like Aref, he did t expand on why other than he doesn't want to win at all costs.  That is still undefined. 

I don't want Vitello.  He's a smartass little prick who acted like a fool.  No class at all.

Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 01, 2026, 06:56 PMLiterally everyone hated Bobby.  Louisville fans hated him.  Falcon fans/organization hated him.  Coaches hated him.  Players families hated him.  ESPN hated him. 

If anyone likes Bobby but hates TV; well, I don't know how to calculate that in the adobes.

I just don't agree with that.  I live down here with plenty of fans of other schools and all I ever heard about Bobby was what a great coach he was.  They feared him, not hated him.

And oh yeah, Louisville hated him so much, they rehired him.

Fuck the Atlanta fans.
Apparently retarded member of the "fucking old people" crowd as defined by Swahili Steve.

Pig Benis

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Quote from: jdcatty on Jun 01, 2026, 07:08 PMI just don't agree with that.  I live down here with plenty of fans of other schools and all I ever heard about Bobby was what a great coach he was.  They feared him, not hated him.

I live futher "down here" and that is exactly how I would describe everyone's thoughts about Vitello. They feared and hated him.

I get where you're coming from if you don't like him but I think the Petrino comp is accurate. Everyone hated his guts but would've traded their coach for him.

ETA: Much like Schloss. Raging cocksucker. Great coach.
The Lord wants you to put your foot on their balls and believe in it. 'Cuz that's what wins football games. Not jumping offsides like a bunch of wimps and faggots. I don't care what those pinkos over in Russia say. You want to be a loser? You go live in Russia. I'm a winner. I'm an American.

Guardrail

The same people demanding everyone embrace your beliefs, have zero tolerance and condemn another for embracing theirs.  Oh, the irony.

Vito Porkleone

When DVH goes, I'd take TV back as long as our players don't act like total tools.

arreferee

Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 01, 2026, 04:46 PM"Win at all costs" phylosophy.

I agree.  But I don't know what that means in realtion to TV. 

Can he come across as an arogant jerk?  Sure.  Does his team play with arogance.  Yes.  They win and winners tend to be Type A.

With that said, as far as I know, he hasn't done anything that compromissed what it means to win.  He hasn't cheated.  Hasn't been abusive or put the sport in a bad light.  I simply don't know what he has done that tips the scales of the "win at all cost" phylosophy to the negative side. 

Maybe "win at all costs" wasn't the right phrase to use.  I don't want him here because of the way he acts and the reputation he puts on the teams he coaches.  If he's a good coach, he can win without acting the way he does.  The way a coach acts definitely rubs off on the players and they start acting the same way.  I used to see it all the time in football.  A team would have a coach who was respectful and calm and the players were the same way.  That coach would retire and they would bring in a young hot head and the exact same players would turn into turds because their coach acted a fool all the time.  I just don't want to see that here. 

BleedinRed

Quote from: arreferee on Jun 02, 2026, 09:05 AMMaybe "win at all costs" wasn't the right phrase to use.  I don't want him here because of the way he acts and the reputation he puts on the teams he coaches.  If he's a good coach, he can win without acting the way he does.  The way a coach acts definitely rubs off on the players and they start acting the same way.  I used to see it all the time in football.  A team would have a coach who was respectful and calm and the players were the same way.  That coach would retire and they would bring in a young hot head and the exact same players would turn into turds because their coach acted a fool all the time.  I just don't want to see that here.
:thumb_up:

arreferee

Quote from: jdcatty on Jun 01, 2026, 06:28 PMSee, I don't agree that everyone hated Bobby-- till he rode that damn motorcycle.  Maybe the recipients of his dog-cussings hated him, including a few of his players.  But everyone damn sure respected him.

I don't know if everyone hated Petrino, but I know the coaches on his staff hated him...at least they acted like they hated him in scrimmages and during the game.  They all dog-cussed each other and he would get some deathly looks from other coaches when he wasn't looking. 


Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Jun 02, 2026, 08:57 AMWhen DVH goes, I'd take TV back as long as our players don't act like total tools.

See my post above.  In my experience, the vast majority of players act like their coaches. 

wmr

We will fuck around with DVH for a few more years, then he will annoint Hobbs or Thompson as his successor.

Wes Johnson will either turn UGA into a perennial power, or wind up at LSU.

Vitello will go to Ole Miss because they have an AD who is smart.  They'll win 6-7 titles and we will, again, wonder what might have been if our athletic department ever made a correct decision, about anything, ever.

Embrace the horror of this slapdick athletic  department. 

I'm on smoko, so leave me alone.

wmr

Quote from: Vito Porkleone on Jun 02, 2026, 08:57 AMWhen DVH goes, I'd take TV back as long as our players don't act like total tools.

Yes, we want players who act stoic and never win anything. 

The cocky players who win titles can go elsewhere. 

(they already do)
I'm on smoko, so leave me alone.

BleedinRed

Quote from: wmr on Jun 02, 2026, 11:53 AMWes Johnson will either turn UGA into a perennial power, or wind up at LSU.
Why would he wind up at LSU?  They have Jay Johnson who has won two CWS titles in his first 5 years.  He is a lifer there now.

BleedinRed

Quote from: wmr on Jun 02, 2026, 11:53 AMVitello will go to Ole Miss because they have an AD who is smart.  They'll win 6-7 titles and we will, again, wonder what might have been if our athletic department ever made a correct decision, about anything, ever.
This is more likely.

wmr

Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 02, 2026, 11:58 AMWhy would he wind up at LSU?  They have Jay Johnson who has won two CWS titles in his first 5 years.  He is a lifer there now.

Okay, you're right.  We won't hire him, though.  I'm sure of that.  He stays at UGA and wins titles there.

Same outcome for us.

People who pay attention to the sport knew Vitello would win a title.  I was saying it years ago, because its obvious the impact he has had everywhere he's gone.  It was obvious at TCU.  It was obvious here.  When he went to Tennessee, they had zero baseball tradition, a shitty stadium, and no fans.  Didn't take him long to make them a contender. 

Wes Johnson is similar, with less antics.  His first season at UGA he had them in Supers.  It was obvious that his trajectory was up and up.  I saw it.  Most of us did.

It seems like the people in charge of this athletic department don't even watch the sports they are in charge of stewarding. 
I'm on smoko, so leave me alone.

Thin Red Swine

Quote from: BleedinRed on Jun 02, 2026, 11:58 AMWhy would he wind up at LSU?  They have Jay Johnson who has won two CWS titles in his first 5 years.  He is a lifer there now.

And DOESN'T act like a total tool bag.

So there is still another way that works.

FNG

Quote from: wmr on Jun 02, 2026, 11:53 AMWe will fuck around with DVH for a few more years,
Are you advocating for firing DVH and hiring TV because TV is the better coach at this point?

(I am not baseball savvy enough to support or refute the position; I'm just trying to understand what you wish to happen.)

The Whyte Boar

I don't want to fire DVH, but I am satisfied his moment has come and gone and that it mostly down hill from here.  And unless he chooses to go out on his own, in true Arkansas fashion we'll keep him five years past his expiration date and watch the program crater.

BleedinRed

Quote from: wmr on Jun 02, 2026, 12:01 PMIt seems like the people in charge of this athletic department don't even watch the sports they are in charge of stewarding
This is completely unfair to the administration.  No amdinistration alive is firing a legendary coach who currently has a program that has won more games than anyone over the last 10 years and consistently makes the post season.  Baring a complete colapse in the win column, DVH will leave on DVH's terms and that isn't the fault of the administration.

Spiderham

DVH should leave on DVH's terms just like Norm did.  
He has built/expanded upon a very successful baseball program who has just not won the big one.  
You don't run that guy out.

When he's done, we probably get Vitello or Johnson as guys with ties to the program who have had success.  TV would take the job today I suspect as he seems already ready to quit in  SF.  
Oak Grove in the house.

Feral

Quote from: Spiderham on Jun 02, 2026, 01:36 PMDVH should leave on DVH's terms just like Norm did. 
He has built/expanded upon a very successful baseball program who has just not won the big one. 
You don't run that guy out.

When he's done, we probably get Vitello or Johnson as guys with ties to the program who have had success.  TV would take the job today I suspect as he seems already ready to quit in  SF. 

I don't think anyone is advocating pushing DVH out.

What I would advocate is a conversation(s) - if they aren't already happening - to understand where he stands, how many more years he has left, and his thoughts on a successor (and steer him in a different direction if he names guys like Hobbs, Nate or Wernes).

Norm did a great podcast interview with Bo a couple of years ago and talked about his end and the conversations he had with Frank. Frank talked him out of retirement after 2001 but had him start backchanneling with DVH. DVH said himself that Georgia offered him their job after the 2001 season but wanted to know if he'd leave for the Arkansas job when it came open. He said yes and they hired David Perno.