Razorback Football

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vegashog

Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 21, 2024, 06:47 PMIs it possible that LSU is just a better team with better players and coaches?
no logic allowed.

Show-Me Hog

Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 21, 2024, 06:47 PMIs it possible that LSU is just a better team with better players and coaches?

So was Tennessee. So was A&M. No, that doesn't explain the complete lack of answers on either side of the ball.

The Whyte Boar

When you watch a guy like DJ you can see the answers are right there.  We're just not making the plays that are there to be made on either side of the ball.   Doesn't mean we win every game if we make those plays, but there hasn't been a game this year that we've lost solely because of talent.

Piggielicious

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2024, 07:30 PMSo was Tennessee. So was A&M. No, that doesn't explain the complete lack of answers on either side of the ball.
You're right. It makes much more sense that they are trying to lose on purpose.

Show-Me Hog

Quote from: Piggielicious on Oct 21, 2024, 08:12 PMYou're right. It makes much more sense that they are trying to lose on purpose.


Surely you know that's not what I said at all. Insufficient attention does not equal on purpose.

DrMongoose

It helps to have a coach who hates losing more than he enjoys winning.

Go steal the Indiana coach, that guy doesn't mess around.
Check your damn blood pressure!

"They've got to do a better job preparing our young men and putting them in positions to be succesful." - Hunter Yurachek 9/15/25

Texzilla

Quote from: Show-Me Hog on Oct 21, 2024, 05:38 PMIS IT POSSIBLE.  Even with an off week.....because it looked like we hadn't done a damn thing to prepare for LSU.

But knowing that Mississippi St. + La Tech = 6 wins = a bowl = Pittman's job,

IS IT POSSIBLE.  That they are treating MSU like the only remaining game that matters, and are using 3 weeks to game plan for a win?

It's as good an explanation as any I can think of, to explain the shit show we saw Saturday.



If Sam wins a couple he'll be back.  If he loses out he'll either be back, or he won't.  In each scenario he's making the same money.  Does he care about getting fired when it means an additional $8-22 million?  I don't think he cares enough to do one additional thing different or harder to try to win any game. 

The Whyte Boar

Apparently he went back to Hot Springs and to a concert on the off weekend.  He should just stay there and check in bybphone every once in awhile.

animal

Regardless how we do it we need to at least split the Mississippi's. But if we do manage to get MSU on the road I feel like all energy and prep will be placed on beating Texas and getting Pittman (GVN) that lifetime contract. I'm actually all for it purely for the entertainment of it all being so predictable. We have tended to play Ole Miss fairly strong in the last few years so I wouldn't put us past being competitive in that game. We could have a gravy shot of La Tech and a overrated Mizzou team...still plenty of possible Ws on this schedule. Mizzou on the road late in the year with little or nothing to play for is the worst though and no doubt a big reason why we don't get "up" for them...like ever. The other reason is it's fucking Mizzou. Can they not give us our hated rival Vanderbilt every year? Oh wait nevermind.

"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

Feral

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 21, 2024, 10:17 PMApparently he went back to Hot Springs and to a concert on the off weekend.  He should just stay there and check in bybphone every once in awhile.

Can we please stop hiring lazy coaches who take our job simply to get rich?

Morris didn't travel with the team and watched Chad Jr's high school games.

Bert used to get sloshed on Dickson and blow off recruiting visits.

Nutt was notoriously lazy and played pickup games in the HPER.

Pittman spends off week weekends at the lake instead of recruiting and obsessing over film and game prep.

Is it too much to ask for Yurachek to hold his coaches accountable and at least demand a little work ethic? I guess so.

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: Feral on Oct 22, 2024, 09:13 AMCan we please stop hiring lazy coaches who take our job simply to get rich?

Morris didn't travel with the team and watched Chad Jr's high school games.

Bert used to get sloshed on Dickson and blow off recruiting visits.

Nutt was notoriously lazy and played pickup games in the HPER.

Pittman spends off week weekends at the lake instead of recruiting and obsessing over film and game prep.

Is it too much to ask for Yurachek to hold his coaches accountable and at least demand a little work ethic? I guess so.

Or even just the appearance of it.  Maybe just stay home and out of public sight instead of off doing stuff like that.  It's only a couple three months out of the year.  And good, bad, or whatever he is only a few years (at absolute most) from being retired with a pile of money.  Skip a trip down to the lake during the season.  It will still be there when it's done.

hit_that_line

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 21, 2024, 10:17 PMApparently he went back to Hot Springs and to a concert on the off weekend.  He should just stay there and check in bybphone every once in awhile.
Yeah. He typically spends Sunday or Labor Day weekend there too goes right after our game is over lol.


animal

Quote from: Feral on Oct 22, 2024, 09:13 AMCan we please stop hiring lazy coaches who take our job simply to get rich?

Morris didn't travel with the team and watched Chad Jr's high school games.

Bert used to get sloshed on Dickson and blow off recruiting visits.

Nutt was notoriously lazy and played pickup games in the HPER.

Pittman spends off week weekends at the lake instead of recruiting and obsessing over film and game prep.

Is it too much to ask for Yurachek to hold his coaches accountable and at least demand a little work ethic? I guess so.
You seem to be cherry picking these coaches faults. Other than Chad I don't really see a huge issue here. Bert being a drunk came after a 0-8 effort...this job killed him nearly. 

Personally I think Bert cared a lot about winning. Maybe lacks the coaching talent to sustain success but he's got enough chops to make a showing now and then.

Pittman is an older version of Bert

Nutt like Pittman took the previous coaches players and won enough to get a fat 2nd contract. Nutt playing pickup games in the summer is hardly something to shit on him for. Guy got comfortable with his job no doubt and lacked consistency. Nutt is unique in that he was both extremely dependent on instate stars and to his demise lacked the ability to put a solid roster together every season. That inconsistency follows the case where Arkansas just doesn't pump out legit star talent every season.
"I got fired for using free speech" yea imagine getting killed over it

The Whyte Boar

The main problem I have with Pittman right now is that he so CLEARLY wants to be retired and home on the lake, but he just won't go, either because he is greedy or just won't go out being less than successful. It's a disservice to any employer to half ass a job when your heart isn't in it, but there are certain jobs that you just can't do unless you are 100 percent committed to it.  Being an SEC football coach is one of those.

If Sam doesn't go to the lake at the end of this year, then he is pretty much a fraud and a liar and everything he ever said about loving the state and the university is a lie.  You can't ask players to put out 110 percent effort or fans to spend thousands of increasingly precious extra income if you aren't willing to skip a few trips to the lake for appearances sake at the very least.

vegashog

Quote from: animal on Oct 22, 2024, 09:42 AMYou seem to be cherry picking these coaches faults. Other than Chad I don't really see a huge issue here. Bert being a drunk came after a 0-8 effort...this job killed him nearly.

Personally I think Bert cared a lot about winning. Maybe lacks the coaching talent to sustain success but he's got enough chops to make a showing now and then.

Pittman is an older version of Bert

Nutt like Pittman took the previous coaches players and won enough to get a fat 2nd contract. Nutt playing pickup games in the summer is hardly something to shit on him for. Guy got comfortable with his job no doubt and lacked consistency. Nutt is unique in that he was both extremely dependent on instate stars and to his demise lacked the ability to put a solid roster together every season. That inconsistency follows the case where Arkansas just doesn't pump out legit star talent every season.
agree, although i think bert becoming a dad changed his priorities somewhat.

the idea that because a coach isn't successful all the time it must mean they're lazy, greedy, or it's a sign of some other huge character flaw is stupid. sometimes you just suck, like chad.

The Whyte Boar

Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2024, 09:53 AMagree, although i think bert becoming a dad changed his priorities somewhat.

the idea that because a coach isn't successful all the time it must mean they're lazy, greedy, or it's a sign of some other huge character flaw is stupid. sometimes you just suck, like chad.

I knew Bert wasn't going to make it when he had that kid at 42.  When I had my first I quit deer hunting and playing golf for awhile just because I wanted to be around so that I could see what she was going to do next.  I clearly remember being out hunting one morning and just getting up and going home so that I could be around her.

That's the kind of thing that has a guy go home right then instead of tweaking the game plan a bit or watching a little more film.  And that is the difference between sucking and winning in the SEC.

BleedinRed

Quote from: vegashog on Oct 22, 2024, 09:53 AMagree, although i think bert becoming a dad changed his priorities somewhat.

the idea that because a coach isn't successful all the time it must mean they're lazy, greedy, or it's a sign of some other huge character flaw is stupid. sometimes you just suck, like chad.

or, and this will be an unpopular take, Arkansas isn't any better of a program than Vanderbilt or Rutgers.  We could have Pete Saban or Nick Carrol as coach and we would still suck.  

Not saying that is true.  But our fans never consider that might be the case.  

buff2.0

Quote from: BleedinRed on Oct 22, 2024, 10:07 AMor, and this will be an unpopular take, Arkansas isn't any better of a program than Vanderbilt or Rutgers.  We could have Pete Saban or Nick Carrol as coach and we would still suck. 

Not saying that is true.  But our fans never consider that might be the case. 

So after we fired Petrino the program automatically took a step down in prestige and potential?

I mean, makes sense.
"That's embarrassing.  Looks like Josh Duggar when his parents asked him to babysit."

For $7 mil I'll put a webcam in front of my shitter so I can answer fan questions while I drop the Longhorns off in College Station.

Once authored a post that critics claimed, "Was notaslibro level."

piglosopher

Quote from: The Whyte Boar on Oct 22, 2024, 09:49 AMThe main problem I have with Pittman right now is that he so CLEARLY wants to be retired and home on the lake, but he just won't go, either because he is greedy or just won't go out being less than successful. It's a disservice to any employer to half ass a job when your heart isn't in it, but there are certain jobs that you just can't do unless you are 100 percent committed to it.  Being an SEC football coach is one of those.

If Sam doesn't go to the lake at the end of this year, then he is pretty much a fraud and a liar and everything he ever said about loving the state and the university is a lie.  You can't ask players to put out 110 percent effort or fans to spend thousands of increasingly precious extra income if you aren't willing to skip a few trips to the lake for appearances sake at the very least.

A liar or greedy...maybe or maybe not, but it is clear that Pittman is just over it. He does seem to go to Hot Springs every chance he can.

He isn't really that engaged in interviews. Saban or Belichik wasn't warm and fuzzy either but you can at least feel an intensity. To be fair, I can't say I'd be looking forward taking questions from Bob Holt.

He looked more relieved than happy after the Tennessee win.

Maybe that hip is a bigger issue than it seems, to even have a public mention of it is sort of telling.

Basically you listen to the introduction press conference when he was hired and it's not the same guy



BleedinRed

Quote from: buff2.0 on Oct 22, 2024, 10:11 AMSo after we fired Petrino the program automatically took a step down in prestige and potential?

I mean, makes sense.

Two good years doesn't erase what the program has been in the other 35ish years.